*JUST read comments and I think I used the wrong radar for the legacy Hornet, sorry about that. I have no way of changing the radar in this plane so can't redo. 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Hey cap, excellent video as always. Just wondering where you get your source info about the range for the R-77 series of Russian medium range active air to air missiles. I'm curious on their ranges as well and want to compare them to the Amraam's range(s).
Interesting. The U.S. Air Force has announced that it is ordering AMRAAM missiles worth $1.15 billion from Raytheon Missiles and Defense to supply to Ukraine. Including C8s and D3s
38:05 lmao it kinetic killed em smashing straight through the Plane!😆👍 PLEASE give U.S. Missiles Dark Blue or Fluorescent Blue lol some kinda Blue Tink Smoke! It kinda sucks a lil bit that U.S. missiles are The Only Ones with no colored smoke...
RAAF F/A-18A Hornets were put through the Hornet Upgrade Program (HUG) thus equal to an upgraded F/A-18C or early Super hornet. They have upgraded ECM, ESM, and a capability to fire AMRAAM AIM-120C to D, ASRAAM, AIM-9X, LJDAM-ER bombs, JASSM missiles, SDB, Harpoon II anti ship missiles, Litening targeting pods and the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS). Communications and networking increased with the comms and link 16 upgrades. Some Hornets were put through the centre barrel replacement program so this upgraded classic Hornet is no ordinary A model it is a very capable 4 to 4.5 gen aircraft deadly in the right hands.
In other words this simulation is a complete waste of time. The correct radar was not assigned so that pretty much dictates everything else in the order of battle.
Most never did get the centre barrell replaced, as it was deemed too costly and not needed once F-35 deliveries were finalised. About 20 higher fatigue airframes did as capability stopgap in case of F-35 delivery delays, and those are now in the RCAF inventory.
In 1992 I was boogey-boarding in Port Macquarie AUS, and two RAAF F/A-18s flew overhead and were dogfighting at an absurdly low altitude. Insane. Could not have been more than .5 - 1.0 mile offshore
@@Wedgetail14 my knucklehead buddy kept paddling out to sea thinking he could get closer to some dolphins. I kept yelling at him to stop and turn TF around. By the time he figured it out we were way too far from shore. Took 15-20 minutes and overcoming an outgoing tide. Closer to snuffing it than I care to relate. The thought still makes me mad.
Theyve been running games with F-35's at low alt the last few months, i was standing on Muttonbird Island at Coffs Harbour when I got buzzed by two of them. Was such a cool sight, they were the lowest ive ever seen a fighter fly at, felt like i could reach up and slap them.
@@mokzilla9330 Seriously, these two were just at an unlikely alt. I was trying to figure out where the base (in 1992) would have been that these two came from. (I'm not a local, I'm from NYC) Fun trip. Last weekend I heard (but did not see due to fog and low clouds) what was probably a Super Hornet. On a hike, i heard something super low and LOUD (not an airliner) which then dissipated quickly (nozzles turning away?). I live about 18-20 miles from Stewart AFB (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Air_National_Guard_Base) which has an assortment of aircraft, including C-17s (the landing path crosses the major North-South highway, which makes for some HUH!? moments. Stewart also has the Helo wing for West Point which is another 20-25 miles South. They used to have a Marine Reserve Air Wing during OEF/OIF and those Harrier guys really liked flying low. Lots of Hornets around in the 2-3 years post 9-11.
An/apg-73 Radar on RAAF hornets have an approximate range of above 60nm. RAAF honeys were upgraded in the early 2000s. Ordinance on the legacy hornets would be almost identical to super hornets.
@@LeonAust The Hornet Upgrade Program (HUG) began in 1999, and had three main phases.[39] In Phase 1, which ran from mid-2000 through 2002, the Hornets' computer systems, navigation system and radio were replaced. The aircraft were also fitted to operate the ASRAAM air-to-air missile; these weapons replaced the AIM-9 Sidewinder.[42] HUG Phase 2 comprised four sub-elements and sought to improve the Hornets' combat performance.[39] During Phase 2.1 the APG-65 radar was replaced with the improved AN/APG-73, and the aircraft were fitted with a secure voice encryption communications system and various updates to their computer systems.[42] In HUG Phase 2.2, the most important element of the program, the Hornets were fitted with a Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System,
@@grimreapers all G, just a frustrating couple of weeks getting through the err why would you want old hornets crowd. 41 relatively up dated hornets with modern minions for free is a lot better deal than no hornets and a dwindling supply of mig 29s. I would love to see what a Northrop yf-17 /p530 would have been capable of in the late 1970s. The YF17 cobra was more able to fl
I feel like you should re-do this, with the correct setup for the hornets. Dont overload them, put the correct radar on them. Fight them how they ought to be fought.
Your killing me cap ! The warzone article you cited to make this video literally explains that the RAAF hornets have been upgraded to A++ standard! AN/APG 73 radar, JHMCS, targeting pods, and data link just to name a few! Much more similar to c/d model at this point than a/b
Yes, I was going to comment the same thing, we upgrade the radars and RWR and a whole bunch of other stuff too. That said, our hornets have link 16 so should be able to use the datalink for fire control.
Im pretty sure the reason the Super Bugs did so well is due to the smaller radar cross section. Its simply a harder target to acquire for both the planes and missiles.
The RAAF upgraded the Hornets to use current systems. If Ukraine picks them up then they'll able to use pretty much anything the Falcons carry. They'd more likely be used in CAS/SEAD than CAP anyway. Having more missiles on a legacy Hornet is just a penalty if you don't ripple them off. The drag and dead weight would be a kill-maker.
I know you really like to put as many spAMRAAMs as possible on fighters, but it's really penalizing the Hornets. They aren't gonna launch all of them anyways so it's just giving them more drag and worse kinematics. Just put 6 on each. Only scenario where they would be fully loaded is heavilly assymetric conflict where the enemy fighters can't fight back anyways so the Bugs can just lurk in the air and snipe anyone that dares to come close.
This is well true. I couldn’t help but notice… was ANYONE in this simulation dumping chaff during evasive manoeuvres? Just curious., cause one obviously can’t see chaff the way we can hot, luminous flares.
I always assumed the reason they had so many hardpoints was so they could use it as a bomber. For anti air operations I'd assume theres a different philosophy.
For the 18/35 fight: From what I could tell, there appeared to be an issue of firing 1st, turning to avoid incoming missiles, then turning to re-engage leaving you exposed to the second wave of missiles. Meaning that while the 18's could avoid the first wave from the 35's, they were opening themselves up for the 2nd wave to close enough distance so that when they started to turn away from the 2nd wave the "closer distance" was too small to out turn them. Meanwhile, the 35's simply didn't have the distance to turn around in time to outrun the wave of missiles coming at them. They could turn, but simply didn't have the speed to get away from all of the shots coming their way. They would turn to re-engage and already be facing a 2nd missile coming at them as they got their launch authority to fire. At which point, they were having to turn/run and it became too little - too late to help them out. That is the only reason that I could see that explained why the numbers started to drastically change over the battle.
I find it interesting that the legacy Hornets had about a 16.7% kill rate while the Super Flankers were only slightly better at a 17.7% kill rate. The Super Hornets had the same 16.7% kill rate, but the Super Flankers only had a 16.0% kill rate against them.
The Super Hornet retains energy much better so it has a better chance at defeating missiles, both in the real world and based on what we have seen from GR in their model as well.
We have had those Legacy Hornets since the 70's or 80's. That makes them about 45 to 50 years old. I don't think the frames would be up to the task anymore. Looks good on paper but out in the real world. Don't know.
I've been through this a lot on twitter; Seems like the only viable way to get them over to Ukraine would be to ferry them 3 at a time inside of C5s being refueled from Guam, Hawaii and San Diego, then to refurb them before shipping them to ETO.
They are naval fighters. Load up a carrier and ferry them over. If it is a US carrier there would be plenty of room for all 40 Hornets while still keeping enough F-35 and Super Hornet fighters for self defense. Could even perform some maintenance and upgrades while at sea. Bring them up close to USMC specifications.
@@edthebumblingfool Might wanna first check the mileage of that route, second check the airspace it has to travel, and then finally check the state of those obsolete, salt-damaged airframes. No matter what they're gonna have to be refurbished just to fly again.
@@jansenart0 Wow plenty of errors, from Australia they could fly to Butterworth malaysia ( joint Australian Malay base, Diego Garcia then cyprus then romanian or any other Nato base, wouldnt even require use of tankers for most legs which. As for salt damaged which aircraft carrier did you think they were used on? Most Australian f18s by the way are still flying.
a thing you might consider is those hornets have upgraded radar and weapons plus warfare helmets and upgraded warfare suits , not you stock standard f-18
"That's old mechanical RADAR tech I'm afraid" - which is nonsense - the "sensitivity" of modern RADAR is all about the back end return data processing. IE oversampling and hot-spotting returns - which is why mechanically scanned CAPTOR-M in Typhoon is STILL just about the best long range tracker fitted to any fighter aircraft - the systems behind it are fantastic - as they were in CAPTOR-M's Daddy - Blue Vixen fitted to Sea Harrier FA2 which had digital return over-sampling and was "unnotchable" 28 years ago. In fact they are better than AESA RADARs for this task until GaN modules finally arrived which cured the overheating issues which plague compact fighter sized AESA RADAR installations. AESA RADARs also typically have a narrow field of vision - which is why the Typhoon AESA is going to be mechanically steerable. PESA actually was a sensible alternative until GaN TX/RX modules appeared (GaN modules have only been fitted to some F-35s (and perhaps some F-15EXs) so far) - With PESA you could have traditional high-power easy to cool transmit and high fidelity/multi channel ESA returns - however rubbish Russian computing power couldn't take advantage of the theoretical advantage. The biggest advantage of AESA is multitasking due to the independent parallel streams of return data in which they are indeed a giant leap over traditional systems. Most fighter based AESA RADARS out there won't match the range of CAPTOR-M for more than a few minutes before cooling strategies ruin the range. GaN is the game changer and fighter sized AESA will finally come of age giving them the sustained range of the best mechanically scanned RADARs but with far more channels of data.
What the fuck are you on about? we are talking about 2nd hand RAAF machines to Ukraine. Where does the non stealth sitting duck eurofighter come into it?. Oh 1 nil in the test ............ashes are ours.🙃
Yeah, I thought the RAAF F/A-18 were upgraded to first slaved Meteor guided by Datalink with Wedgetails. They also had new radars and airframes in the early 2000’s in partnership with RCAF with new avionics etc from BAE Systems. I wouldn’t be shocked is they had AESA radars … these may actually need to be removed. Alternatively, maybe they are looking at the hornets that weren’t upgraded before the program was canned and we signed up for F-35A.
Why is it not taken into account? that most of the Ukrainian aircraft were shot down by the R-37 missile, which was cut down in the game, and in general they were not presented in battle. And so will the MiG-31 and Su-35 with these missiles meet American aircraft.
realistically the F/A-18A, with F/A-18C avionics equivalence, that Australia can provide to Ukraine would likely be used as strike fighters those can carry a good amount of decoys and HARMs which makes them ideal to counter russian SAM batteries those have the range to fly over all of western Ukraine and strike at Crimea from the Black Sea, 41 F/A-18 Hornets would clear the peninsula of russian air defenses in a short time after that those can be used to deliver NATO compatible cruise missiles like Storm Shadow or TAURUS, but also JDAM and HARPOON making it impossible for the russian navy to sail out to the Black Sea
I think you should do better research into the Aircraft you are simulating as the RAAF FA18Cs were upgraded 20+ years ago and have been kept up to date until they retired them. The Australian Hornets were upgraded to an A++ standard, which gives them the capabilities of newer F/A-18Cs, including the type's upgraded AN/APG-73 radar, armaments, and onboard computer system which of course would make a huge difference in your simulation.
the pilots on the Hornets give the impression that they have recently obtained a light aircraft license! Interestingly, their only method of defense is to significantly lower the ceiling
Carrier Launched Fights! Two opposing Nimitz Class Carriers few miles apart with each aircraft-- F/A-18F Super Hornet's with AIM-120C-7's VS F-14B Tomcat's with AIM-54C's!🙏👍 Two opposing Kuznetsov Class Carriers close together so aircraft take off into the merge-- MIG-29KR's VS SU-33's!🙏👍
Great video Grim Reapers - I was waiting for this one after I heard the news about the ex-RAAF hornets! (Sneaky wishlist) I’d love to see you run a couple of small scale all-human tests of these aircraft - maybe a scenario of attacking & defending a small armoured column? Say 2-4 fighters and 2 helicopter a side each side has a stationary target to hit, a small convoy to attack, a small convoy to defend, and a stationary target to defend. Points for each objective and for air to air kills. But smaller and faster the better so we can see how different aircraft, like the Franken-Migs, the raaf hornets, might go against the might of the Ka-52s and Su-35s (and maybe the beautiful Su-34 on an attack run?:) )
More interesting would be a more realistic setting based on current combat conditions. Have the same fight, but under the umbrella of Patriot/S300 vs S400 on the invaders side. Force the fighters to be at treetop like they've been flying at.
Brilliant work on The AIM-120C-7's!👍👍 Lol and The Super Hornet's! ;) No offense but I think your AIM-120C-7's maybe more deadly than your AIM-120D-3's😅
PLEASE either dark Blue or fluorescent Blue some kinda Blue Tint Smoke for U.S. Missiles!🙏👍 It kinda sucks that U.S. is The Only One with no missile smoke color...
The RAAF is still flying Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers, which were bought to cover a “capability gap” due to delays in the F-35 program. So it is possible to imagine a scenario in which the RAAF replaced the Super Hornets and Growlers and flicked them to Ukraine.
Possible but unlikely. The Super Hornets are meant to work with the F-35As rather than just be a "bridging aircraft." If the RAAF were to replace the Super Hornets it would have to be with something more capable - which at this point would be the F-15EX, as nothing else really meets the requirement (large payload, twin-engine, decent range). It is more likely that the Super Hornets will be replaced with a 6th Gen fighter, whenever those become available.
The Super Hornets are valuable to the RAAF's capabilities as a lower running cost platform where gen 5 features aren't required for a mission. It could also be a valuable "missile truck" platform supporting the F-35s.
1:34 its likely not lower, only the massively overhauled su35SM with an rcs of 1 to 2m squar is that stealthy, the base su35 is just not in the same ball park so its definitely 5m or higher
I have no idea why, but this popped into my head while watching this episode, for a new series of GR videos. It may not be the best time with GR baby and all, but I think this concept, well-executed/done properly, could turn into something quite good. Essentially, it's adding a sort of underlying mission strategy to a PVP game mode. You get two (or perhaps more) team captains. Each team is their own respective faction and their respective country can be worked out perhaps biddding from a points pool/random number generator/flipping a coin/alterating/rock-paper-scissors (whatever it is, you get the point). When assigned this country, perhaps there could be pre-selected maps/map areas with open country, mountain landscapes, cities, and so on which could be the choice of the captain who lost for first pick of faction. Then there will be options: full war sim, naval sim, navail plus air sim, air sim, ground sim as the names suggest, the available units for each team would be dependent on their home country and what type of battle it is. I will write a quick scenario to try and explain. Simba is captain 1, Cap is captain 2. Simba wins and selects Russia, Cap selects the US and elects to go with a combined ground and air map with both farmland and a city. One of the teams may elect to be a defender, or both teams could be both offensive and defensive depending on the video and so on. In this case, Simba will defend his city as Russia with that being the capture point. He can win by defeating Cap's overall attacking force and/or lasting 60 minutes (something like that, all of this is open to fine-tuning). Both captains will have a set amount of points which dictates the overall size of the battle and if there are more human players, generally the higher the points total. The points are used to buy in-game assets. The assets they can select from would be a list of the most useful/popular units and each has a cost. Each unit can also be upgraded in certain ways for additional points. Simba is defending as Russia, so he purchases an S-400 system and three Pantsirs placed at areas of his choosing. Then, based on the actual winning criteria of the mission, perhaps he buys some armor for ground defense, a couple of Mi-24s, two Su-25, and 12 Su-35s along with extra points spent on enhanced missile distance. Cap attacking as the US elects to purchase two A-10s, two (cheap) Blackhawks with a bunch of dudes in them, 4 Humvees, 4 Bradleys, 8 M1 Abrams, and finally something like 4x F-16s for SEAD and six F-15s primarily for air-to-air with AIM-120D1 enhancement. Everyone would have the general mission info, but then it's up to the captains from there and they can choose where the human players go as well. The critical part, beyond the fact this is a serious endevour which would take a lot of effort to do correctly, is properly balancing how much each asset costs in this point system. Perhaps an Su-35 is 20 points, an F-22 40 points, and an F-15 14 points, a Pantsir as 8 points, and each Abrams as 2 points. Maybe a US supercarrier is worth 500 points and only comes with 8 Super Hornets without upgrades. This is all a huge rough example, but I think it would really generate some great content. Based on your skills in acquiring community assistance, I believe a simple user interface within Windows using a database could make the mission management part pretty easy once the bugs are worked out and things are balanced. But, if you got to that point with a "mission designer" type custom program wihere captains could even play around with their mission setups and export those over to you, the remaining time synch itself would essentially be actually setting up the missions in DCS via mission editor. It would be a long-term difficult project, but it's a thought and I think it has a lot of potential for GR to grow if done right. It would effectively be a highly customizable multiplayer war simulation with air, ground, water assets and AI assisted units with endless replayability as long as it was fun. The missions and entertaining matchups would ultimately write themselves and we'd be able to find a lot of interesting useful strategy as well.
What an interesting competition would be if Australia could have donated its F111s. Sadly Australia were legally required to destroy the air frames due to the fact that even though it was a 1960s aircraft, it was still considered extremely lethal in 2010 when the raaf retired them. When the F111s and the legacy hornets were flying, the pigs (F111) always defeated the hornets. The F111 even at retirement was the world's fastest ground tracking aircraft. In operation red flag in 2008 the raaf pigs were the only aircraft that achieved a 100% attack success rate while not getting a single shot against it. So, out of interest, how would the F111s ago against the su27?
Spain and the USA could send many legacy Hornets also. Some of the USMC Hornets have been upgraded with radars from Super Hornets among other upgrades. Spain could get refill by tranche 1 and 2 Typhoons from UK and others. The USMC can get refill by accelerated purchasing of F-35s and perhaps use some Super Hornets in the meantime.
If Australia gives 32 of their best condition Hornets I think there is a good chance of Spain would match that with 32 of theirs and the USA would give 64 Hornets in USMC spec.
USMC C/D Hornets have been getting APG-79 (v)4 AESA radars. They also already had a better radar than the original baseline AN/APG-65, they got AN/APG-73 staring with the C models. Furthermore, they have support for AIM-120D. Ukraine could feasibly upgrade their Hornets quickly with surplus APG-73 and new APG-79(v)4 radars. Integration of EL/M 2052 AESA radars is another low cost option. Perhaps the A/B Hornets could get the EL/M 2052 while C/D Hornets get APG-79(v)4. But it would really depend on supply of the radars. With either of these AESA radars plus AIM-120D, legacy Hornets have an engagement range in excess of 100km. Now, Su-35 may still have an advantage due to the large size of their radar antennas even with somewhat less capable technology. But the gap between them would be much tighter
For the long run, Ukraine could buy 100+ new block 3 Super Hornets which are a bit better in all respects than last generation Super Hornets shown in game here. These would be pretty close to the best possible aircraft that would be made available to Ukraine. Stealth aircraft likely off the table. The donated legacy Hornets would still be useful in the short term for the war and as training experience for future Super Hornets with some degree of cross over skills. If nothing else they give an introduction to NATO compatible systems.
Boeing could probably produce about 4 to 8 new block 3 Super Hornets for Ukraine each month. Type conversion for the first batch of pilots might take 6 months. Thus that is about 24-48 shiny new Super Hornets for Ukraine, just in time for Christmas. Then another 72-108 or so delivered in 2024 as the production rate ramps up. 96-156 total in 18 months.
Do you think it’d be interesting to have these hypothetical Air Force donations go up against a diversified Russian Air Force or even like a gauntlet style run?
Regarding the defensive tactics, It seems to me that diving to the ground while notching in large battles is relatively ineffective. Perhaps in a predominantly AI battle it might be worth exploring other defensive tactics. For instance staying high and going cold. The missiles have poor manoeuvring ability at high altitude and the survivors would be far better placed for subsequent missile shots.
Why are the F/A-18s modelled as trying to dodge the oncoming missiles by diverging downwards? Would they not be better off pulling up to increase dramatically the aerodynamic drag on the missile when it needed to change its direction radically upwards, rather than just minor tweaks to an existing downwards trajectory?
Chuck a couple of AWACs in the air (wedgetails or american) and maybe a few SAM sites on the Russian Crimean side, and it'd be a different story I'd say. Link16 and decent radars work ok for stuff like that.
C/D are more of equals to the SU-27 not the SU-30, the F-15C first entered service in 1979 and by the time the SU-27 was coming online in the mid 80s the F-15C was the main twin engine fighter of the USAF.
The Hornet was a mud mover for the USN/Marines. I never understood why the RAAF thought it was a dogfighter. It sucked in close in turning against things like Malaysia's Mig29s. The Aussie Hornets had a slight detail change to simplify the building of them and as a result, they would buffet more in high-g turns than the USN version. Dr Carlo Kopp did some great analysis in the early 2000s and predicted what your simulation showed. But the RAAF went to a huge effort to publicly humiliate and discredit him. Time has shown him to be right on a lot of things.
The Hornets used in this video are far from representative of the old Australian Hornets (which had better radars, datalink, more modern missiles, and many other changes). The real Hornets acquitted themselves well in real life - in both wargames and warzones.
The F18 trained with Australia’s neighbour Indonesia who had a few Sukhoi Su-27s and two Sukhoi Su-30s. Obviously we outclassed them and they chose to replenish their fleet with F16s.
Offtopic: today, a pantsir failed twice to shoot down a storm shadow, video footage was released from the radar operator. But it seems like Russia claimed they intercepted it.
Looks extremely interesting, so of course it's posted on a day when I don't have the time to watch it. Just watched-honestly hoped for something more related to understanding if these would be useful in a practical sense in Ukraine conflict-ground support or throwing buckets of missiles at distant targets, not simply getting blown out of the air by superior aircraft/missiles.
If this is at all realistic then it seems that aircraft agility and speed are still important assets for a modern fighter. Yet the F-35 is not prioritised in that regard and the response to that I've regularly seen is that the 35's other assets out weigh those qualities. So what is going on here, would a stealth aircraft be so undetectable that it could win before the opposition had a chance to use it's qualities?
I think we have to just say the SU-35 is one of the best non stealth fighters ever made... They have performed great in every single sim.. Fast, agile, and great missles The SuperHornet is such an improvment over the orignals and they are better and more veristle than the F16s IMO...
Very interesting concepts being explored here @grimpreapers. I think the legacy hornets might have done better if we did have the correct radar. That said, I think the survivability is still greater than the current SU25/Mig29/SU27 fleet that Ukraine currently have. At least they will have the capacity to see the SU35 and react and choose engagement or mission-kill which saves plane/pilot. The reports are the current Ukrainian pilots have no chance unless ground-based radar can give them a vector to an aggressor. Would the F18 (Legacy Hornet with upgraded radar from RAAF) and F16A/C's last longer than the current UkrAF jets interms of being able to dictate their engagements and/or evade their RuAF counters? I believe they would be significantly more survivable than current. I'd love to see you test that?
Every country should have self determination! and no country wants to be bullied by Russia anymore, they were and are a thug of of a country mostly led by dictators. Your history is full of it.............nobody is your friend anymore and we notice your weak and vulnerable. Russia is going to have a hard time of it with Putin in charge, nobody wants a bar of this bloke. Its people will suffer if they don't do something to correct what's going on.
I'm pretty sure that at this point, even though these F/A-18 Hornets are "ex-Australian" none of them actually sit in Australia these days. AFAIK they were all sold off, some went to Canada to be used as spare parts while the rest went to a private collector who rents them out to the USAF for training purposes. It's the latter collection that might end up in Ukraine, though I do wonder about how many flight hours those frames have.
There are 41 retired Hornets still in Australia. They are being stored at RAAF based Williamtown, which north of Newcaslte NSW. About 3hrs north of Sydney.
This is the first time I have been disappointed by one of your videos Cap.. Wikipedia has the list of upgrades that the RAAF did to their F/A-18's. This includes AN/APG-73 which would meant the radar range (60nm+) would have been much fairer. A later comment notes that many of them were upgraded to at least HUG Phase 3.2, however quoting wikipedia 'At any one time, the capabilities of individual aircraft differed considerably depending on their upgrades. Accordingly, the long-standing arrangement where aircraft were almost permanently assigned to each squadron was replaced by a system where they were pooled. Attempts to allocate Hornets with similar levels of modifications from the common pool to each squadron were not successful.'
Hello to the always entertaining Grim Reapers! Long time viewer, first time commenter here. My question is - i noticed that both human and AI pilots aren't using any physical (not sure thats the correct word - not my area of expertise at all) counter measures like chaff and flares. Ive also noticed that even when they are used in combat against more modern missiles that they dont seem very effective. Are the days of these counter measures numbered or even over? Thanks for all of the great videos!
Physical countermeasures like flares and chaff still have a role on the modern battlefield because there are still many missile systems that are vulnerable to them in service around the world. With that said, radar guided missiles are becoming more common and more capable; reducing the value of traditional stereotypical countermeasures in national inventories. On the other hand, cheap laser guided missiles are also proliferating on different platofrms (like more disposable drones) and old school radar guided AA guns are similarly resurgent, so I'll doubt flares and chaff will disappear anytime soon. Instead, we may see more drones sporting old school countermeasures in addition to sophisticated electronic warfare equipment.
Everyone has already said it. Overloaded Hornets with incorrect Radar system installed. 4 to 1 missile launch difference is never going to be a good situation.
Would like to see the same simulation with Grippen's; Maybe the results would be close to the same as the block 70 F-16. If the American election might impact the F-16 deployment in Ukrain. Maybe the Grippen might fill the void.
do you have the French Rafale and see how they would do instead of legacy Hornets? i read an article about the possibility of Rafales being on the table for Ukraine Airforce
Big problem is Pilot experience in that type of plane . Some of my friends who have flow F18 say it takes about 1,000 hours to be really good in them . Without those type of hours you are just bait for anyone in a near equal plane . Add in ground to air missiles and it depends whose area you are flying over . Russian planes can draw you into their own ground to air defence areas and they flee behind their lines . Tactics are as important as weapons load out . Russia can draw you into areas that have stealthier planes poised to attack as you pursue the target you can see on your radar . Airborne Radar is very important Australia have sent I plane over to help . Remember these are easy to shot down on take off with captured or bought on black market Stinger shoulder fired surface to air missiles , simply use mercenary in foreign countries to fire them Just like America has been doing with Private security firms .
They are not getting F-18s they are getting f-16s, Most of our hornets are spare pasts as the fuselages have lots of hours on them, good ones went to canada. Cool video though.
F-18 Super hornet is better on the deck than f-16 with more air-ground ordinance and that's what Ukraine needs. It's the reason the US Marines adopted them. They are multi-role fighters.
The Hornets are F/A, so they would be more valuable for ground attack using the many NATO stand-off ammunition rather than being used for straight out air superiority.
*JUST read comments and I think I used the wrong radar for the legacy Hornet, sorry about that. I have no way of changing the radar in this plane so can't redo.
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Modernized Su-27 vs Su-35: ruclips.net/video/7llLDzeT2Bs/видео.html
Modernized F15/F16 vs Su-35: ruclips.net/video/-TozTHbAXVs/видео.html
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Hey cap, excellent video as always. Just wondering where you get your source info about the range for the R-77 series of Russian medium range active air to air missiles. I'm curious on their ranges as well and want to compare them to the Amraam's range(s).
thank you for the list!
Interesting. The U.S. Air Force has announced that it is ordering AMRAAM missiles worth $1.15 billion from Raytheon Missiles and Defense to supply to Ukraine. Including C8s and D3s
@@jediwannbe Is the D3 in service rn?
38:05 lmao it kinetic killed em smashing straight through the Plane!😆👍
PLEASE give U.S. Missiles Dark Blue or Fluorescent Blue lol some kinda Blue Tink Smoke! It kinda sucks a lil bit that U.S. missiles are The Only Ones with no colored smoke...
RAAF F/A-18A Hornets were put through the Hornet Upgrade Program (HUG) thus equal to an upgraded F/A-18C or early Super hornet.
They have upgraded ECM, ESM, and a capability to fire AMRAAM AIM-120C to D, ASRAAM, AIM-9X, LJDAM-ER bombs, JASSM missiles, SDB, Harpoon II anti ship missiles, Litening targeting pods and the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS).
Communications and networking increased with the comms and link 16 upgrades.
Some Hornets were put through the centre barrel replacement program so this upgraded classic Hornet is no ordinary A model it is a very capable 4 to 4.5 gen aircraft deadly in the right hands.
was wondering where the AN/APG-73 got to.
We can't expect GR to get the details correct, they never do.
In other words this simulation is a complete waste of time. The correct radar was not assigned so that pretty much dictates everything else in the order of battle.
Great information!
Most never did get the centre barrell replaced, as it was deemed too costly and not needed once F-35 deliveries were finalised. About 20 higher fatigue airframes did as capability stopgap in case of F-35 delivery delays, and those are now in the RCAF inventory.
RAAF legacy F18s use the AN/APG73 radar and have Link16 meaning they should be able to use the latest datalink systems and weaponry too
Roger, it was a typo, I'm pretty sure the Hornet we used had the APG-73.
Actually, now I'm confused...
Yeh I think I just screwed that up, sorry :(
In 1992 I was boogey-boarding in Port Macquarie AUS, and two RAAF F/A-18s flew overhead and were dogfighting at an absurdly low altitude. Insane. Could not have been more than .5 - 1.0 mile offshore
Wow! That would have been awesome indeed!
@@Wedgetail14 my knucklehead buddy kept paddling out to sea thinking he could get closer to some dolphins. I kept yelling at him to stop and turn TF around. By the time he figured it out we were way too far from shore. Took 15-20 minutes and overcoming an outgoing tide.
Closer to snuffing it than I care to relate. The thought still makes me mad.
Theyve been running games with F-35's at low alt the last few months, i was standing on Muttonbird Island at Coffs Harbour when I got buzzed by two of them. Was such a cool sight, they were the lowest ive ever seen a fighter fly at, felt like i could reach up and slap them.
@@mokzilla9330 Seriously, these two were just at an unlikely alt. I was trying to figure out where the base (in 1992) would have been that these two came from. (I'm not a local, I'm from NYC) Fun trip. Last weekend I heard (but did not see due to fog and low clouds) what was probably a Super Hornet. On a hike, i heard something super low and LOUD (not an airliner) which then dissipated quickly (nozzles turning away?). I live about 18-20 miles from Stewart AFB (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Air_National_Guard_Base) which has an assortment of aircraft, including C-17s (the landing path crosses the major North-South highway, which makes for some HUH!? moments. Stewart also has the Helo wing for West Point which is another 20-25 miles South. They used to have a Marine Reserve Air Wing during OEF/OIF and those Harrier guys really liked flying low. Lots of Hornets around in the 2-3 years post 9-11.
nice! My hometown hyaha
An/apg-73 Radar on RAAF hornets have an approximate range of above 60nm. RAAF honeys were upgraded in the early 2000s. Ordinance on the legacy hornets would be almost identical to super hornets.
yeah I was just going to say that
No the HUG program upgraded the F/A-18A to more like upgraded F/A-18C
@@LeonAust
The Hornet Upgrade Program (HUG) began in 1999, and had three main phases.[39] In Phase 1, which ran from mid-2000 through 2002, the Hornets' computer systems, navigation system and radio were replaced. The aircraft were also fitted to operate the ASRAAM air-to-air missile; these weapons replaced the AIM-9 Sidewinder.[42] HUG Phase 2 comprised four sub-elements and sought to improve the Hornets' combat performance.[39] During Phase 2.1 the APG-65 radar was replaced with the improved AN/APG-73, and the aircraft were fitted with a secure voice encryption communications system and various updates to their computer systems.[42] In HUG Phase 2.2, the most important element of the program, the Hornets were fitted with a Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System,
Yeh I think I just screwed that up, sorry :(
@@grimreapers all G, just a frustrating couple of weeks getting through the err why would you want old hornets crowd. 41 relatively up dated hornets with modern minions for free is a lot better deal than no hornets and a dwindling supply of mig 29s. I would love to see what a Northrop yf-17 /p530 would have been capable of in the late 1970s. The YF17 cobra was more able to fl
I feel like you should re-do this, with the correct setup for the hornets. Dont overload them, put the correct radar on them. Fight them how they ought to be fought.
Your killing me cap ! The warzone article you cited to make this video literally explains that the RAAF hornets have been upgraded to A++ standard! AN/APG 73 radar, JHMCS, targeting pods, and data link just to name a few! Much more similar to c/d model at this point than a/b
I thought the legacy RAAF F18s had upgraded radar to AN/APG-73.
Yes, I was going to comment the same thing, we upgrade the radars and RWR and a whole bunch of other stuff too.
That said, our hornets have link 16 so should be able to use the datalink for fire control.
RAAF Hornets had bucketloads more expendables ( chaff and flare) compared to even US versions
Yup sorry! It was a typo, I can assure you the legacy Hornet we were using had the APG-73.
Actually, now I'm confused...
Yeh I think I just screwed that up, sorry :(
RAAF hornets used ASRAAM towards the end of there time in service, also they were upgraded in the early 2000’s to be as good as standard fa-18c
Wouldn't the ex-RAAF hornets use ASRAAMs for WVRAAM, as they would during RAAF service?
The RAAF replaced ASRAAM with aim9x about a decade ago if my memory serves me correctly
@@Key_highway Couldn't have been more than 8 years ago, but even so, the RAAF FA/18s are (were) capable of fitting ASRAAMs
The RAAF F18s would be armed with the latest AMRAAMs
Im pretty sure the reason the Super Bugs did so well is due to the smaller radar cross section. Its simply a harder target to acquire for both the planes and missiles.
The RAAF upgraded the Hornets to use current systems. If Ukraine picks them up then they'll able to use pretty much anything the Falcons carry. They'd more likely be used in CAS/SEAD than CAP anyway.
Having more missiles on a legacy Hornet is just a penalty if you don't ripple them off. The drag and dead weight would be a kill-maker.
I know you really like to put as many spAMRAAMs as possible on fighters, but it's really penalizing the Hornets. They aren't gonna launch all of them anyways so it's just giving them more drag and worse kinematics. Just put 6 on each. Only scenario where they would be fully loaded is heavilly assymetric conflict where the enemy fighters can't fight back anyways so the Bugs can just lurk in the air and snipe anyone that dares to come close.
your right, but even with all the extra weight the super hornets still one so it just goes to show how good the super hornet is
I've almost never seen Cap's hornets run out of missiles, and that tells me he puts too many! The hornet's a dog with 6000lbs of missiles.
This is well true. I couldn’t help but notice… was ANYONE in this simulation dumping chaff during evasive manoeuvres? Just curious., cause one obviously can’t see chaff the way we can hot, luminous flares.
I always assumed the reason they had so many hardpoints was so they could use it as a bomber. For anti air operations I'd assume theres a different philosophy.
For the 18/35 fight: From what I could tell, there appeared to be an issue of firing 1st, turning to avoid incoming missiles, then turning to re-engage leaving you exposed to the second wave of missiles. Meaning that while the 18's could avoid the first wave from the 35's, they were opening themselves up for the 2nd wave to close enough distance so that when they started to turn away from the 2nd wave the "closer distance" was too small to out turn them. Meanwhile, the 35's simply didn't have the distance to turn around in time to outrun the wave of missiles coming at them. They could turn, but simply didn't have the speed to get away from all of the shots coming their way. They would turn to re-engage and already be facing a 2nd missile coming at them as they got their launch authority to fire. At which point, they were having to turn/run and it became too little - too late to help them out.
That is the only reason that I could see that explained why the numbers started to drastically change over the battle.
Well done Matrix. Hung on for dear life there👍
The RAAF has AN/APG-73 after Hornet Upgrade Program
hmm
RAAF hornets received an upgrade to the radar to AN/APG 73
Roger, it was a typo, I'm pretty sure the Hornet we used had the APG-73.
Actually, now I'm confused...
Yeh I think I just screwed that up, sorry :(
I find it interesting that the legacy Hornets had about a 16.7% kill rate while the Super Flankers were only slightly better at a 17.7% kill rate.
The Super Hornets had the same 16.7% kill rate, but the Super Flankers only had a 16.0% kill rate against them.
The Super Hornet retains energy much better so it has a better chance at defeating missiles, both in the real world and based on what we have seen from GR in their model as well.
We have had those Legacy Hornets since the 70's or 80's. That makes them about 45 to 50 years old. I don't think the frames would be up to the task anymore. Looks good on paper but out in the real world. Don't know.
We received them starting 1985. Yes, they're old, but not 70s old.
@@simonwallace699 so they are the same age as me. Dude thats old for a combat aircraft.
I've been through this a lot on twitter; Seems like the only viable way to get them over to Ukraine would be to ferry them 3 at a time inside of C5s being refueled from Guam, Hawaii and San Diego, then to refurb them before shipping them to ETO.
or fly them vis diego garcia Cyprus and Germany, Airspace is open to people other than Russia
Sounds like a plan!
They are naval fighters. Load up a carrier and ferry them over. If it is a US carrier there would be plenty of room for all 40 Hornets while still keeping enough F-35 and Super Hornet fighters for self defense.
Could even perform some maintenance and upgrades while at sea. Bring them up close to USMC specifications.
@@edthebumblingfool Might wanna first check the mileage of that route, second check the airspace it has to travel, and then finally check the state of those obsolete, salt-damaged airframes.
No matter what they're gonna have to be refurbished just to fly again.
@@jansenart0 Wow plenty of errors, from Australia they could fly to Butterworth malaysia ( joint Australian Malay base, Diego Garcia then cyprus then romanian or any other Nato base, wouldnt even require use of tankers for most legs which. As for salt damaged which aircraft carrier did you think they were used on? Most Australian f18s by the way are still flying.
a thing you might consider is those hornets have upgraded radar and weapons plus warfare helmets and upgraded warfare suits , not you stock standard f-18
"That's old mechanical RADAR tech I'm afraid" - which is nonsense - the "sensitivity" of modern RADAR is all about the back end return data processing. IE oversampling and hot-spotting returns - which is why mechanically scanned CAPTOR-M in Typhoon is STILL just about the best long range tracker fitted to any fighter aircraft - the systems behind it are fantastic - as they were in CAPTOR-M's Daddy - Blue Vixen fitted to Sea Harrier FA2 which had digital return over-sampling and was "unnotchable" 28 years ago. In fact they are better than AESA RADARs for this task until GaN modules finally arrived which cured the overheating issues which plague compact fighter sized AESA RADAR installations. AESA RADARs also typically have a narrow field of vision - which is why the Typhoon AESA is going to be mechanically steerable. PESA actually was a sensible alternative until GaN TX/RX modules appeared (GaN modules have only been fitted to some F-35s (and perhaps some F-15EXs) so far) - With PESA you could have traditional high-power easy to cool transmit and high fidelity/multi channel ESA returns - however rubbish Russian computing power couldn't take advantage of the theoretical advantage. The biggest advantage of AESA is multitasking due to the independent parallel streams of return data in which they are indeed a giant leap over traditional systems. Most fighter based AESA RADARS out there won't match the range of CAPTOR-M for more than a few minutes before cooling strategies ruin the range. GaN is the game changer and fighter sized AESA will finally come of age giving them the sustained range of the best mechanically scanned RADARs but with far more channels of data.
What the fuck are you on about? we are talking about 2nd hand RAAF machines to Ukraine. Where does the non stealth sitting duck eurofighter come into it?. Oh 1 nil in the test ............ashes are ours.🙃
Yeah, I thought the RAAF F/A-18 were upgraded to first slaved Meteor guided by Datalink with Wedgetails. They also had new radars and airframes in the early 2000’s in partnership with RCAF with new avionics etc from BAE Systems. I wouldn’t be shocked is they had AESA radars … these may actually need to be removed.
Alternatively, maybe they are looking at the hornets that weren’t upgraded before the program was canned and we signed up for F-35A.
The fact that old legacy hornets (with AN/APG-73) even pose a threat to SU-35s is impressive considering their age
Why is it not taken into account? that most of the Ukrainian aircraft were shot down by the R-37 missile, which was cut down in the game, and in general they were not presented in battle. And so will the MiG-31 and Su-35 with these missiles meet American aircraft.
Wrong Hornet, wrong radar; don't know who would have your 'legacy' hornets.
Lots of fun. Loved that no fuel dogfight!
realistically the F/A-18A, with F/A-18C avionics equivalence, that Australia can provide to Ukraine would likely be used as strike fighters
those can carry a good amount of decoys and HARMs which makes them ideal to counter russian SAM batteries
those have the range to fly over all of western Ukraine and strike at Crimea from the Black Sea, 41 F/A-18 Hornets would clear the peninsula of russian air defenses in a short time
after that those can be used to deliver NATO compatible cruise missiles like Storm Shadow or TAURUS, but also JDAM and HARPOON making it impossible for the russian navy to sail out to the Black Sea
The late respawns really warp the results. I don't know if the humans really need two lives when they are fighting from the back anyway.
I think you should do better research into the Aircraft you are simulating as the RAAF FA18Cs were upgraded 20+ years ago and have been kept up to date until they retired them. The Australian Hornets were upgraded to an A++ standard, which gives them the capabilities of newer F/A-18Cs, including the type's upgraded AN/APG-73 radar, armaments, and onboard computer system which of course would make a huge difference in your simulation.
the pilots on the Hornets give the impression that they have recently obtained a light aircraft license! Interestingly, their only method of defense is to significantly lower the ceiling
Carrier Launched Fights! Two opposing Nimitz Class Carriers few miles apart with each aircraft-- F/A-18F Super Hornet's with AIM-120C-7's VS F-14B Tomcat's with AIM-54C's!🙏👍
Two opposing Kuznetsov Class Carriers close together so aircraft take off into the merge-- MIG-29KR's VS SU-33's!🙏👍
would be great to see same scenario, but legacy planes (f16, f18) against comparable russians like SU-27 /30 or mig-29
Great video Grim Reapers - I was waiting for this one after I heard the news about the ex-RAAF hornets!
(Sneaky wishlist)
I’d love to see you run a couple of small scale all-human tests of these aircraft - maybe a scenario of attacking & defending a small armoured column?
Say 2-4 fighters and 2 helicopter a side each side has a stationary target to hit, a small convoy to attack, a small convoy to defend, and a stationary target to defend. Points for each objective and for air to air kills. But smaller and faster the better so we can see how different aircraft, like the Franken-Migs, the raaf hornets, might go against the might of the Ka-52s and Su-35s (and maybe the beautiful Su-34 on an attack run?:) )
Thanks!
More interesting would be a more realistic setting based on current combat conditions. Have the same fight, but under the umbrella of Patriot/S300 vs S400 on the invaders side. Force the fighters to be at treetop like they've been flying at.
give them the amount of missles they use or something close to that please ! I think it would help them notch and stuff like that and survive.
Brilliant work on The AIM-120C-7's!👍👍 Lol and The Super Hornet's! ;)
No offense but I think your AIM-120C-7's maybe more deadly than your AIM-120D-3's😅
PLEASE either dark Blue or fluorescent Blue some kinda Blue Tint Smoke for U.S. Missiles!🙏👍
It kinda sucks that U.S. is The Only One with no missile smoke color...
Will Smith ID4 “Let’s get low and let’s get fast.”
The RAAF is still flying Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers, which were bought to cover a “capability gap” due to delays in the F-35 program. So it is possible to imagine a scenario in which the RAAF replaced the Super Hornets and Growlers and flicked them to Ukraine.
Possible but unlikely. The Super Hornets are meant to work with the F-35As rather than just be a "bridging aircraft." If the RAAF were to replace the Super Hornets it would have to be with something more capable - which at this point would be the F-15EX, as nothing else really meets the requirement (large payload, twin-engine, decent range).
It is more likely that the Super Hornets will be replaced with a 6th Gen fighter, whenever those become available.
The Super Hornets are valuable to the RAAF's capabilities as a lower running cost platform where gen 5 features aren't required for a mission. It could also be a valuable "missile truck" platform supporting the F-35s.
Definitely needs a redoing with the information that has been provided in the comments.
Missing thrust vectoring could have influenced superflankers' ability to dodge missiles
1:34 its likely not lower, only the massively overhauled su35SM with an rcs of 1 to 2m squar is that stealthy, the base su35 is just not in the same ball park so its definitely 5m or higher
I have no idea why, but this popped into my head while watching this episode, for a new series of GR videos. It may not be the best time with GR baby and all, but I think this concept, well-executed/done properly, could turn into something quite good.
Essentially, it's adding a sort of underlying mission strategy to a PVP game mode. You get two (or perhaps more) team captains. Each team is their own respective faction and their respective country can be worked out perhaps biddding from a points pool/random number generator/flipping a coin/alterating/rock-paper-scissors (whatever it is, you get the point).
When assigned this country, perhaps there could be pre-selected maps/map areas with open country, mountain landscapes, cities, and so on which could be the choice of the captain who lost for first pick of faction.
Then there will be options: full war sim, naval sim, navail plus air sim, air sim, ground sim as the names suggest, the available units for each team would be dependent on their home country and what type of battle it is. I will write a quick scenario to try and explain.
Simba is captain 1, Cap is captain 2. Simba wins and selects Russia, Cap selects the US and elects to go with a combined ground and air map with both farmland and a city. One of the teams may elect to be a defender, or both teams could be both offensive and defensive depending on the video and so on.
In this case, Simba will defend his city as Russia with that being the capture point. He can win by defeating Cap's overall attacking force and/or lasting 60 minutes (something like that, all of this is open to fine-tuning).
Both captains will have a set amount of points which dictates the overall size of the battle and if there are more human players, generally the higher the points total. The points are used to buy in-game assets. The assets they can select from would be a list of the most useful/popular units and each has a cost. Each unit can also be upgraded in certain ways for additional points.
Simba is defending as Russia, so he purchases an S-400 system and three Pantsirs placed at areas of his choosing. Then, based on the actual winning criteria of the mission, perhaps he buys some armor for ground defense, a couple of Mi-24s, two Su-25, and 12 Su-35s along with extra points spent on enhanced missile distance.
Cap attacking as the US elects to purchase two A-10s, two (cheap) Blackhawks with a bunch of dudes in them, 4 Humvees, 4 Bradleys, 8 M1 Abrams, and finally something like 4x F-16s for SEAD and six F-15s primarily for air-to-air with AIM-120D1 enhancement.
Everyone would have the general mission info, but then it's up to the captains from there and they can choose where the human players go as well. The critical part, beyond the fact this is a serious endevour which would take a lot of effort to do correctly, is properly balancing how much each asset costs in this point system. Perhaps an Su-35 is 20 points, an F-22 40 points, and an F-15 14 points, a Pantsir as 8 points, and each Abrams as 2 points. Maybe a US supercarrier is worth 500 points and only comes with 8 Super Hornets without upgrades.
This is all a huge rough example, but I think it would really generate some great content. Based on your skills in acquiring community assistance, I believe a simple user interface within Windows using a database could make the mission management part pretty easy once the bugs are worked out and things are balanced. But, if you got to that point with a "mission designer" type custom program wihere captains could even play around with their mission setups and export those over to you, the remaining time synch itself would essentially be actually setting up the missions in DCS via mission editor.
It would be a long-term difficult project, but it's a thought and I think it has a lot of potential for GR to grow if done right. It would effectively be a highly customizable multiplayer war simulation with air, ground, water assets and AI assisted units with endless replayability as long as it was fun. The missions and entertaining matchups would ultimately write themselves and we'd be able to find a lot of interesting useful strategy as well.
The main advantage of the super Hornets is the amount of missiles they carry
What an interesting competition would be if Australia could have donated its F111s. Sadly Australia were legally required to destroy the air frames due to the fact that even though it was a 1960s aircraft, it was still considered extremely lethal in 2010 when the raaf retired them. When the F111s and the legacy hornets were flying, the pigs (F111) always defeated the hornets. The F111 even at retirement was the world's fastest ground tracking aircraft. In operation red flag in 2008 the raaf pigs were the only aircraft that achieved a 100% attack success rate while not getting a single shot against it. So, out of interest, how would the F111s ago against the su27?
Awesome fight, Simba retains his title lol..
Spain and the USA could send many legacy Hornets also. Some of the USMC Hornets have been upgraded with radars from Super Hornets among other upgrades. Spain could get refill by tranche 1 and 2 Typhoons from UK and others. The USMC can get refill by accelerated purchasing of F-35s and perhaps use some Super Hornets in the meantime.
If Australia gives 32 of their best condition Hornets I think there is a good chance of Spain would match that with 32 of theirs and the USA would give 64 Hornets in USMC spec.
USMC C/D Hornets have been getting APG-79 (v)4 AESA radars. They also already had a better radar than the original baseline AN/APG-65, they got AN/APG-73 staring with the C models.
Furthermore, they have support for AIM-120D.
Ukraine could feasibly upgrade their Hornets quickly with surplus APG-73 and new APG-79(v)4 radars.
Integration of EL/M 2052 AESA radars is another low cost option. Perhaps the A/B Hornets could get the EL/M 2052 while C/D Hornets get APG-79(v)4. But it would really depend on supply of the radars.
With either of these AESA radars plus AIM-120D, legacy Hornets have an engagement range in excess of 100km. Now, Su-35 may still have an advantage due to the large size of their radar antennas even with somewhat less capable technology. But the gap between them would be much tighter
Even if the USA doesn’t want to provide AIM-120D, the upgraded Hornets could still use AIM-120C7 plus some kind of AESA radars.
For the long run, Ukraine could buy 100+ new block 3 Super Hornets which are a bit better in all respects than last generation Super Hornets shown in game here. These would be pretty close to the best possible aircraft that would be made available to Ukraine. Stealth aircraft likely off the table.
The donated legacy Hornets would still be useful in the short term for the war and as training experience for future Super Hornets with some degree of cross over skills. If nothing else they give an introduction to NATO compatible systems.
Boeing could probably produce about 4 to 8 new block 3 Super Hornets for Ukraine each month. Type conversion for the first batch of pilots might take 6 months. Thus that is about 24-48 shiny new Super Hornets for Ukraine, just in time for Christmas. Then another 72-108 or so delivered in 2024 as the production rate ramps up. 96-156 total in 18 months.
F for Matrix in that first fight 😅
Do you think it’d be interesting to have these hypothetical Air Force donations go up against a diversified Russian Air Force or even like a gauntlet style run?
You messed up.
Australian F-18's should be inverted on this side of the world.
oof
Regarding the defensive tactics, It seems to me that diving to the ground while notching in large battles is relatively ineffective. Perhaps in a predominantly AI battle it might be worth exploring other defensive tactics. For instance staying high and going cold. The missiles have poor manoeuvring ability at high altitude and the survivors would be far better placed for subsequent missile shots.
Thanks GR!
This would have been a HUGELY different story if the super hornets had 120Ds or even the 260s.
“Objects in the RWR are closer than they appear”
To finish the thought, when in Rome...
Go to Ad Hoc. Great restaurant.
And Alfredo alla Scrofa, gotta get the real Alfredo if you're in Rome.
Hm, Cap complimenting Super Bogs. There has been disturbance in the force.
Why are the F/A-18s modelled as trying to dodge the oncoming missiles by diverging downwards? Would they not be better off pulling up to increase dramatically the aerodynamic drag on the missile when it needed to change its direction radically upwards, rather than just minor tweaks to an existing downwards trajectory?
Chuck a couple of AWACs in the air (wedgetails or american) and maybe a few SAM sites on the Russian Crimean side, and it'd be a different story I'd say. Link16 and decent radars work ok for stuff like that.
I'd love to see Eagle vs. Flanker through the ages. F-15 A/B vz. SU-27, C/D vs. 30, so on
C/D are more of equals to the SU-27 not the SU-30, the F-15C first entered service in 1979 and by the time the SU-27 was coming online in the mid 80s the F-15C was the main twin engine fighter of the USAF.
@@mattseller148 I'm more just talking about release order, not specifically technical equally
None plane guy question: how come when you did the Tomcat carrier defense they had a2a missiles with much longer ranges than 90's tech missiles?
Bc AIM-54s were much larger missiles and not practical for much else than shooting down bombers and protecting the carrier
Can you set the F-22 visibility to a non stealth and run this to see what would happen if the F22 were somehow easy to spot?
The Hornet was a mud mover for the USN/Marines. I never understood why the RAAF thought it was a dogfighter. It sucked in close in turning against things like Malaysia's Mig29s. The Aussie Hornets had a slight detail change to simplify the building of them and as a result, they would buffet more in high-g turns than the USN version. Dr Carlo Kopp did some great analysis in the early 2000s and predicted what your simulation showed. But the RAAF went to a huge effort to publicly humiliate and discredit him. Time has shown him to be right on a lot of things.
The Hornets used in this video are far from representative of the old Australian Hornets (which had better radars, datalink, more modern missiles, and many other changes). The real Hornets acquitted themselves well in real life - in both wargames and warzones.
The F18 trained with Australia’s neighbour Indonesia who had a few Sukhoi Su-27s and two Sukhoi Su-30s. Obviously we outclassed them and they chose to replenish their fleet with F16s.
Offtopic: today, a pantsir failed twice to shoot down a storm shadow, video footage was released from the radar operator. But it seems like Russia claimed they intercepted it.
Aussie Classics were brought up to Gen 4++ via the HUG Program. These are not at that level.
Looks extremely interesting, so of course it's posted on a day when I don't have the time to watch it.
Just watched-honestly hoped for something more related to understanding if these would be useful in a practical sense in Ukraine conflict-ground support or throwing buckets of missiles at distant targets, not simply getting blown out of the air by superior aircraft/missiles.
I don't think the F-16's will make a difference but the FA/18's - that's a different thing.
If this is at all realistic then it seems that aircraft agility and speed are still important assets for a modern fighter. Yet the F-35 is not prioritised in that regard and the response to that I've regularly seen is that the 35's other assets out weigh those qualities. So what is going on here, would a stealth aircraft be so undetectable that it could win before the opposition had a chance to use it's qualities?
And I quote “Smacky Boom Boom”.
I think we have to just say the SU-35 is one of the best non stealth fighters ever made... They have performed great in every single sim.. Fast, agile, and great missles
The SuperHornet is such an improvment over the orignals and they are better and more veristle than the F16s IMO...
Very interesting concepts being explored here @grimpreapers.
I think the legacy hornets might have done better if we did have the correct radar.
That said, I think the survivability is still greater than the current SU25/Mig29/SU27 fleet that Ukraine currently have.
At least they will have the capacity to see the SU35 and react and choose engagement or mission-kill which saves plane/pilot.
The reports are the current Ukrainian pilots have no chance unless ground-based radar can give them a vector to an aggressor.
Would the F18 (Legacy Hornet with upgraded radar from RAAF) and F16A/C's last longer than the current UkrAF jets interms of being able to dictate their engagements and/or evade their RuAF counters?
I believe they would be significantly more survivable than current.
I'd love to see you test that?
What is the Minsk Agreement and why does NATO keep ignoring it.
Well, it's kinda too late to implement it now. But if it wasn't ignored by EU it would have definitely prevented this war.
@@dm1i Not invading Ukraine would have prevented this war too.
Every country should have self determination! and no country wants to be bullied by Russia anymore, they were and are a thug of of a country mostly led by dictators.
Your history is full of it.............nobody is your friend anymore and we notice your weak and vulnerable.
Russia is going to have a hard time of it with Putin in charge, nobody wants a bar of this bloke.
Its people will suffer if they don't do something to correct what's going on.
@@LondonSteveLee Nope, this already happened in 2014 and only delayed the war. Problems don't solve on their own.
You either implement Minks Agreements, which were signed and approved by EU leaders, or dealing with a brute force instead.
Russia also tried to negotiate at the beginning of the war, there we meetings with Ukraine officials. But US and EU forced Ukraine to stop the negotiations and "let decide everything on a battlefield" ©Josep Borrell (literally what he said).
So who is to blame?
Appears to me the 18s only get one missle off while the Su are spamming.
Cap is being converted to pro super hornet
Never! Ok maybe a little.
I'm pretty sure that at this point, even though these F/A-18 Hornets are "ex-Australian" none of them actually sit in Australia these days. AFAIK they were all sold off, some went to Canada to be used as spare parts while the rest went to a private collector who rents them out to the USAF for training purposes. It's the latter collection that might end up in Ukraine, though I do wonder about how many flight hours those frames have.
There are 41 retired Hornets still in Australia. They are being stored at RAAF based Williamtown, which north of Newcaslte NSW. About 3hrs north of Sydney.
This is the first time I have been disappointed by one of your videos Cap..
Wikipedia has the list of upgrades that the RAAF did to their F/A-18's.
This includes AN/APG-73 which would meant the radar range (60nm+) would have been much fairer.
A later comment notes that many of them were upgraded to at least HUG Phase 3.2, however quoting wikipedia
'At any one time, the capabilities of individual aircraft differed considerably depending on their upgrades. Accordingly, the long-standing arrangement where aircraft were almost permanently assigned to each squadron was replaced by a system where they were pooled. Attempts to allocate Hornets with similar levels of modifications from the common pool to each squadron were not successful.'
Yeh I think I just screwed that up, sorry :(
@@grimreapers Thanks for the reply Cap - love the honesty.
Cap, our Hornets used ASRAAM.
Hello to the always entertaining Grim Reapers!
Long time viewer, first time commenter here.
My question is - i noticed that both human and AI pilots aren't using any physical (not sure thats the correct word - not my area of expertise at all) counter measures like chaff and flares.
Ive also noticed that even when they are used in combat against more modern missiles that they dont seem very effective. Are the days of these counter measures numbered or even over?
Thanks for all of the great videos!
Physical countermeasures like flares and chaff still have a role on the modern battlefield because there are still many missile systems that are vulnerable to them in service around the world. With that said, radar guided missiles are becoming more common and more capable; reducing the value of traditional stereotypical countermeasures in national inventories.
On the other hand, cheap laser guided missiles are also proliferating on different platofrms (like more disposable drones) and old school radar guided AA guns are similarly resurgent, so I'll doubt flares and chaff will disappear anytime soon. Instead, we may see more drones sporting old school countermeasures in addition to sophisticated electronic warfare equipment.
Everyone has already said it. Overloaded Hornets with incorrect Radar system installed. 4 to 1 missile launch difference is never going to be a good situation.
RAAF had improved AN/APG-73 with link 16 and helmet mounted sighting.
Cap, is there any way to model the Columbia unsuccessful return to earth in game
Would like to see the same simulation with Grippen's; Maybe the results would be close to the same as the block 70 F-16. If the American election might impact the F-16 deployment in Ukrain. Maybe the Grippen might fill the void.
do you have the French Rafale and see how they would do instead of legacy Hornets? i read an article about the possibility of Rafales being on the table for Ukraine Airforce
Wouldnt the Rhinos have a lot better jamming capabilities to avoid missiles? Plus a more stealthy design.
Come on at least google the specs of the RAAF hornets beforehand
Depends who is driving it !
Big problem is Pilot experience in that type of plane . Some of my friends who have flow F18 say it takes about 1,000 hours to be really good in them . Without those type of hours you are just bait for anyone in a near equal plane . Add in ground to air missiles and it depends whose area you are flying over . Russian planes can draw you into their own ground to air defence areas and they flee behind their lines . Tactics are as important as weapons load out . Russia can draw you into areas that have stealthier planes poised to attack as you pursue the target you can see on your radar . Airborne Radar is very important Australia have sent I plane over to help . Remember these are easy to shot down on take off with captured or bought on black market Stinger shoulder fired surface to air missiles , simply use mercenary in foreign countries to fire them Just like America has been doing with Private security firms .
any chance of these being posted on rumble?
Su35 is heavily Over-modelled, its a slightly upgraded su27, that is all
Australian f18 ab versions upgraded to a+++ rating and also have isralie jamming pod
All the Aussie Hornets had APG73, new RWR, ESM, could carry any AIM 120C or D series...so this comparison is not right apart from the Super Hornets.
Fun, just fun, gliding combat.
Most of the ex australian hornets are in very poor condition in Guam. They were left to rot.
If they are ex-RAAF you need to fly them upside down mate...
And you'll need to find a good source of Vegemite to run them.
oof
They are not getting F-18s they are getting f-16s, Most of our hornets are spare pasts as the fuselages have lots of hours on them, good ones went to canada. Cool video though.
No the CBR ones went to Canada and the non CBR have years left in them. The RAAF F-18 were well looked after.
F-18 Super hornet is better on the deck than f-16 with more air-ground ordinance and that's what Ukraine needs. It's the reason the US Marines adopted them. They are multi-role fighters.
The radars would also be upgraded.
This seemed a little nonsensical.
Classic Hornet, RAAF Hornets are NEVER called Legacy Hornets.
Comments about overly armed planes is legit. The Russian radars are not strong on look down, shoot down.
The Hornets are F/A, so they would be more valuable for ground attack using the many NATO stand-off ammunition rather than being used for straight out air superiority.