WOW. Also not saying Carolyn deserved murder, but she truly escalated the conversation telling jayden she’s pregnant. Before she even told Rusty?? She could of said anything else but that to calm her down
Exactly. Very indifferent and callous answer. She got too cocky i think, and just goes to show (if the affair wasn't telling) that she was just as selfish if not more than Rusty. A very unsympathetic character.
I had that same reaction of wondering why he would assume it was Barbara. But I guess I can believe that he assumed she found out he was still seeing her. Being in a panic in the moment didn’t allow him to think clearly, and his guilty conscience may triggered that assumption in that moment.
He went back because he’s obsessed with her; his behavior was out of control. The knowing it was his wife is definitely a leap you gotta take for the story but he staged it because he knew it would be pinned on him and he wanted to be able to use that as evidence as reasonable doubt that it could be related to another case and another perpetrator. It ultimately doesn’t matter if he thought his wife did it or not, he knew he didn’t but he knew he’d be arrested with a ton of circumstantial evidence.
It makes no sense. Why would he think it’s his wife, when it actually wasn’t? Does she have a history of killing people in cold blood? It was a silly twist by a show that didn’t have a good ending idea.
@@nanakmccannThe wife had the most motive her behavior (along with the kids is abnormal,) I completely don't buy him tying up Carolyn to protect his wife. Why come back he just clapped cheeks doesn't make sense.
@@1D4ever if he didn’t do it and didn’t actually see his wife do it, he should have called 911 not tied her up to protect his wife who actually didn’t do it. Silly twist ending with no foreshadow for the daughter.
I feel like the only moments where Rusty comes off as not the terrible person that he is is when he is engaging with his daughter. Like, if I watched no other scenes from this show and had no idea he was the biggest douche on the planet, and I only viewed those few moments, he would seem decent to me. Edit: and his closing argument. Man, you can tell in that moment how good of a prosecutor he was. And how good of an actor Jake Gyllenhaal is.
I suspected the wife mainly … then when Jay hit her dad with the “ disconnection” talk I was like ohhh she is trying to cover for her mom ( or even her brother part of me thought) … but I was never fully convinced in anyone.. i wanted it to be Tommy so bad. 😂😂 Amazing show! A+ on the BBB
You suspected the wife over Tommy? Tommy was the most guilty looking person in the entire series, he had motives, he hated Rusty, he feel in loved with Carolyn, HE is also a LAWYER who would know how to form a case to get away with murder. The entire series was building up to Tommy being guilty.
@@Kanoog i suspectef the wife over Tommy yes. I wanted it to be Tommy so bad because I hate him so much but it would be too obvious for it to be him. I was very pleased with the ending
She’s overly apologetic and sensitive to everything. She’s constantly concerned with the details and what they have on her father. She shows almost no anger just sadness unlike everyone else who has expressed some type of anger. Is that a result of guilt? Her behavior may be a clue.
Peter Sarsgaard did a fantastic job. He was an absolute jerk in court and at work and I hated him, but as soon as he got home the emotion in his eyes and with the cat made me empathize with him. I would have been disappointed if it had been him because it would have made his vulnerability and palpable loneliness when alone feel like an act or an intentional lie to the audience.
Makes so much sense why rusty was able to say so confidently “I did not kill her” and truly mean it. I felt that phrase was said so often just like that and I started to notice it more and more but couldn’t figure out exactly why it stood out (of course he’s denying killing her duh). But all came together! I think I didn’t suspect this exact ending bc it requires an amount of selflessness by Rusty I didn’t think possible (protecting who he thought was his wife). Great show!! Tommy’s cat was a great addition too.
I need a couple loose ends tied up! WHY did Rusty go back to Carolyn’s apartment that night after he’d left? And WHY was he so confident from seeing her body/the crime scene that it just HAD to be his wife who killed Carolyn and thus he staged the scene, when Carolyn was a prosecutor with many enemies? The ending just felt kind of rushed with the big reveal. Theories, thoughts, did I miss something? PS yes I know who really killed Carolyn just don’t wanna say outright here.
I believe Rusty’s experience as a prosecutor made him very familiar with crimes of passion. He knew he didn’t kill her so who else would do such a thing? Who else had motive to kill the other woman? It was actually quite genius and selfless of him to put the focus and keep the focus on him throughout the season.
@@1D4ever Makes perfect sense to men. That was the best P he ever had. Carolyn knew how to bend him like Beckham. Yeah, he went back to get on his knees and beg. There are normal women in this world like his wife Barbara, and then there are women who should wear capes instead of skirts to cover their butts. You’ll never understand until you encounter….THE ONE!
I felt him tying her up was no necessary and didn’t even matter that much like that detail wasn’t why he won or lost his trial I just never really like when it’s the kids who end up being the killer but overall good show great acting
Yes, she said it with a little gleam in her eye. She was very hard to figure out. Super genuinely great with the abused little kiddo that was going to testify yet terribly neglectful to her own son and almost enjoying antagonizing Jayden.
So many questions and holes ? How do you not hear Jay get in the vehicle and take off? That’s a Volvo you know how noisey those things are!! If jay did do it I think she did not acted alone. What was on jay laptop I can’t stop thinking about it? I read another pov comment that what if rusty and jay had an inappropriate relationship and hid it SO well and they BOTH killed Carolyn. Can’t rule it out we live in a crazy world 🤷🏿♀️
Some questions I had: Why would Jaden choose to go out at such an hour, and why would Carolyn be so willing to let her inside and not just immediately call Rusty? Why would she be so willing to sit Jaden down and talk to her at 1am in the morning? Why did Carolyn think 1am was an inappropriate time (or even the right person) to tell Jaden she was pregnant with her half-brother? Rusty claims that he thought it was his wife, but how could this possibly be if he arrived home at 11pm, he would've seen his wife, and would've likely known if she went out between the time he got home and when he left to go back to Carolyn's. How didn't he hear Jaden leave in Barbara's car when she went to Carolyn's house the night of, and then when she returned home? Are we supposed to believe that he conveniently fell asleep when he got home at 11am, and then woke up after the fact, all the while Jaden had already gone out and come home. Did Barbara not hear Jaden use her car to go out that night, and then come home? Did Barbara not hear Rusty leave for the second time in the early hours of the morning? Was nobody in the Sabich household aware that somebody went out and came home at the early hours of the morning when Rusty was accused of murdering someone? If we're to believe the account of Rusty, where he alluded to his and Barbara's conversation being somewhat resolved when he first went there (he was at her house for 50 minutes), why did he then return a few hours later, most likely when she was asleep? It's not like she hadn't responded to all his texts, because that's what prompted his visit earlier in the evening, when she eventually gave in. Why return to her house? Why did he return to her house at the early hours of that morning and just so conveniently had rope and gloves in his car? Why did he not question his wife, at any point, or formulate a defense to protect her if anyone potentially accused her? He's supposed to be this big-shot lawyer, but it was only weeks after when his daughter mentioned Dissociative Identity Disorder, that he then put down to Barbara suffering from. He went that entire time without discussing with his wife that he thought she did it, but it's only after his daughter mentioned this disorder that he then had an explanation for. We're supposed to believe that Jaden had this out-of-body experience to brutally murder someone, but still had the presence of mind to take the murder weapon with her, not to leave anything alarmingly incriminating behind, and then hide the murder weapon. Then wipe the murder weapon clean of any prints, find where Tommy Molto lived, sneak into his house and plant it, with some foolish intention of thinking it would protect her father from being convicted.
The first part.. .Carolyn is not a good mother.. she neglected her son so 1am is perfect lol. We see her as irresponsible and neglectful so her decision making skills are not there. A responsible adult would call the child's parents.
@@MakeupGenie21 I’m so surprised she even cared about the pregnancy and didn’t go for an abortion given she obviously didn’t care about her first child
Genuinely the whole time I couldn't fully believe Tommy as a suspect because of how he held the cat. It was too raw and emotional for him to be a murderer.
WTF? That is stupid as hell, how about this. Tommy fucked up and started to feel guilty as hell about what he has done, his emotions were starting to get the best of him. You are going to go against all of his crazy ass shit the entire season based on him holding a cat?
I despised his character so much up until that point, and then all the anger drained out of me and all I was left with was pity. ❤ That cat really proved his humanity
The show was so quick to use neighbor surveillance cameras to show Rusty beating up that witness but then when someone breaks into Tommy’s house and delivers the presumed MURDER WEAPON no one thinks to mention “hey let’s canvas the area and ask neighbors and shops for any security footage they have of that night”? Like I understand it’s a tv show but if they bring it up to show Rusty beat someone up, we’re supposed to believe they’d put such little effort into finding out who broke into Tommy’s? While the murderer likely went in through the side door, the car she drove would’ve been caught on someone’s camera! They just glossed over that and they could’ve 10000% found the killer that way, unbelievable 🤣
The side door was left open (Tommy stated) so there was no struggle to get into his apartment. But yea no cameras near or asking about witnesses for sure should have been asked.
Yes, the lack of doorbell cameras and street surveillance/cameras is a major flaw. The writers could have added a few key details to further twist the daughter going to talk/confront or actually going to kill Carolyn. If the daughter showed up in dark clothing, hoodie/etc would imply she parked far away from the house and could have remained undetected from cameras, used an open window, if she was in fact planning with precision to kill Carolyn. We know in the final scene she was dressed normally and used the front door. So she went to confront and fell into a crime of passion situation. Which means cameras could easily identify the daughter as the killer.
I wrote something about how the case should never had went to trial last week and the judge is letting the prosecution go on a long leash without any evidence. This week in the finale Rusty basically uses my write up as his closing argument and won lmao Also, the kid was a cool twist but the ending was kind of predictable. This was very much a less than 2 hour movie stretched into 8 episodes.
Yeah that was wild. I’m stealing that the next time my wife accuses me of not replacing the paper towels. What a great episode and series. Great acting by Maggie Gylenhaal’s husband and baby bro. 45 mins into the episode, I was still 100% sure it was Tommy’s dissociated alter who did it. Really great to be wrong even though I kinda feel like that would’ve been more interesting based on the poker being planted. It might be a bit of stretch to think Rusty’s daughter and Carolyn sit down and calmly drink tea together right after Carolyn and Rusty were plowing each other. Carolyn’s just like “sorry bitch your dad likes this ole ass, and oh by the way I’m pregnant with your dad’s child honey” and then immediately decides to turn her back for 10 seconds.
i don’t think they were intimate on the night she was murdered.. pretty sure rusty went to visit her, they argued and then he left i think i recall him saying he kissed her only
It's really annoying it wasn't Tommy who was the murderer........it was a LEGIT horrible missed opportunity. If I wrote this, that's how I would have ended it. Think about IT, Tommy fell in love with HER, she didn't want to be with HIM. It would have been a killing out of passion and since he hates RUSTY and she fell in LOVE with Rusty the jealousy drove Tommy mad. One of those "If I can't have her, nobody can" moments. Rusty is the perfect guy to take the fall for his actions, Tommy killed Carolyn and set up Rusty. WOW now THAT is something to write home about. And putting Rusty away not only makes TOMMY innocent BUT he puts away his enemy at the same fucking time. That is insane motives. Even his own partner started to speculate something was off with Tommy towards the end. The POKER planted in his apartment could have drove him mad with guilt. I mean come the fuck on, but making the daughter the one who did it? That is just lazy writing, the story wasn't driven towards her at all, there was ZERO build up period, it was shitty, shallow and empty ending. AND to make it even worse, yes it gets worse, Carolyn's murder wasn't put to justice, the murderer gets away?????? Lord have mercy
Fair warning: If my theory doesn‘t pan out I will declare this the worst show ever and curse anyone who likes it but I’ll get over it by the end of the week. I’m dramatic. Thanks in advance for understanding :)
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WOW. Also not saying Carolyn deserved murder, but she truly escalated the conversation telling jayden she’s pregnant. Before she even told Rusty?? She could of said anything else but that to calm her down
Exactly. Very indifferent and callous answer. She got too cocky i think, and just goes to show (if the affair wasn't telling) that she was just as selfish if not more than Rusty. A very unsympathetic character.
I absolutely cannot focus on a single thing except Tommy’s bolo tie…
LMAO I thought it was just me. I was staring at that thing the whole time.
This 😂
I had that same reaction of wondering why he would assume it was Barbara. But I guess I can believe that he assumed she found out he was still seeing her. Being in a panic in the moment didn’t allow him to think clearly, and his guilty conscience may triggered that assumption in that moment.
He checked the GPS of Barbaras car. So he assumed it was her.
He went back because he’s obsessed with her; his behavior was out of control. The knowing it was his wife is definitely a leap you gotta take for the story but he staged it because he knew it would be pinned on him and he wanted to be able to use that as evidence as reasonable doubt that it could be related to another case and another perpetrator. It ultimately doesn’t matter if he thought his wife did it or not, he knew he didn’t but he knew he’d be arrested with a ton of circumstantial evidence.
It makes no sense. Why would he think it’s his wife, when it actually wasn’t? Does she have a history of killing people in cold blood? It was a silly twist by a show that didn’t have a good ending idea.
@@nanakmccannThe wife had the most motive her behavior (along with the kids is abnormal,) I completely don't buy him tying up Carolyn to protect his wife. Why come back he just clapped cheeks doesn't make sense.
@@1D4ever if he didn’t do it and didn’t actually see his wife do it, he should have called 911 not tied her up to protect his wife who actually didn’t do it. Silly twist ending with no foreshadow for the daughter.
@@nanakmccann exactly 🎯🎯
I feel like the only moments where Rusty comes off as not the terrible person that he is is when he is engaging with his daughter. Like, if I watched no other scenes from this show and had no idea he was the biggest douche on the planet, and I only viewed those few moments, he would seem decent to me.
Edit: and his closing argument.
Man, you can tell in that moment how good of a prosecutor he was. And how good of an actor Jake Gyllenhaal is.
I suspected the wife mainly … then when Jay hit her dad with the “ disconnection” talk I was like ohhh she is trying to cover for her mom ( or even her brother part of me thought) … but I was never fully convinced in anyone.. i wanted it to be Tommy so bad. 😂😂 Amazing show! A+ on the BBB
You suspected the wife over Tommy? Tommy was the most guilty looking person in the entire series, he had motives, he hated Rusty, he feel in loved with Carolyn, HE is also a LAWYER who would know how to form a case to get away with murder. The entire series was building up to Tommy being guilty.
@@Kanoog i suspectef the wife over Tommy yes. I wanted it to be Tommy so bad because I hate him so much but it would be too obvious for it to be him. I was very pleased with the ending
How did the private investigator catch the wife with bartender but not the daughter placing,planting the fire poker.
She’s overly apologetic and sensitive to everything. She’s constantly concerned with the details and what they have on her father. She shows almost no anger just sadness unlike everyone else who has expressed some type of anger. Is that a result of guilt? Her behavior may be a clue.
Peter Sarsgaard did a fantastic job. He was an absolute jerk in court and at work and I hated him, but as soon as he got home the emotion in his eyes and with the cat made me empathize with him. I would have been disappointed if it had been him because it would have made his vulnerability and palpable loneliness when alone feel like an act or an intentional lie to the audience.
Makes so much sense why rusty was able to say so confidently “I did not kill her” and truly mean it. I felt that phrase was said so often just like that and I started to notice it more and more but couldn’t figure out exactly why it stood out (of course he’s denying killing her duh). But all came together! I think I didn’t suspect this exact ending bc it requires an amount of selflessness by Rusty I didn’t think possible (protecting who he thought was his wife). Great show!! Tommy’s cat was a great addition too.
I need a couple loose ends tied up! WHY did Rusty go back to Carolyn’s apartment that night after he’d left? And WHY was he so confident from seeing her body/the crime scene that it just HAD to be his wife who killed Carolyn and thus he staged the scene, when Carolyn was a prosecutor with many enemies? The ending just felt kind of rushed with the big reveal. Theories, thoughts, did I miss something? PS yes I know who really killed Carolyn just don’t wanna say outright here.
I believe Rusty’s experience as a prosecutor made him very familiar with crimes of passion. He knew he didn’t kill her so who else would do such a thing? Who else had motive to kill the other woman? It was actually quite genius and selfless of him to put the focus and keep the focus on him throughout the season.
Makes no sense that he came back
@@1D4ever Makes perfect sense to men. That was the best P he ever had. Carolyn knew how to bend him like Beckham. Yeah, he went back to get on his knees and beg. There are normal women in this world like his wife Barbara, and then there are women who should wear capes instead of skirts to cover their butts. You’ll never understand until you encounter….THE ONE!
I felt him tying her up was no necessary and didn’t even matter that much like that detail wasn’t why he won or lost his trial I just never really like when it’s the kids who end up being the killer but overall good show great acting
Yes, she said it with a little gleam in her eye. She was very hard to figure out. Super genuinely great with the abused little kiddo that was going to testify yet terribly neglectful to her own son and almost enjoying antagonizing Jayden.
So many questions and holes ? How do you not hear Jay get in the vehicle and take off? That’s a Volvo you know how noisey those things are!! If jay did do it I think she did not acted alone. What was on jay laptop I can’t stop thinking about it? I read another pov comment that what if rusty and jay had an inappropriate relationship and hid it SO well and they BOTH killed Carolyn. Can’t rule it out we live in a crazy world 🤷🏿♀️
Some questions I had:
Why would Jaden choose to go out at such an hour, and why would Carolyn be so willing to let her inside and not just immediately call Rusty? Why would she be so willing to sit Jaden down and talk to her at 1am in the morning? Why did Carolyn think 1am was an inappropriate time (or even the right person) to tell Jaden she was pregnant with her half-brother?
Rusty claims that he thought it was his wife, but how could this possibly be if he arrived home at 11pm, he would've seen his wife, and would've likely known if she went out between the time he got home and when he left to go back to Carolyn's.
How didn't he hear Jaden leave in Barbara's car when she went to Carolyn's house the night of, and then when she returned home? Are we supposed to believe that he conveniently fell asleep when he got home at 11am, and then woke up after the fact, all the while Jaden had already gone out and come home.
Did Barbara not hear Jaden use her car to go out that night, and then come home? Did Barbara not hear Rusty leave for the second time in the early hours of the morning?
Was nobody in the Sabich household aware that somebody went out and came home at the early hours of the morning when Rusty was accused of murdering someone?
If we're to believe the account of Rusty, where he alluded to his and Barbara's conversation being somewhat resolved when he first went there (he was at her house for 50 minutes), why did he then return a few hours later, most likely when she was asleep? It's not like she hadn't responded to all his texts, because that's what prompted his visit earlier in the evening, when she eventually gave in. Why return to her house?
Why did he return to her house at the early hours of that morning and just so conveniently had rope and gloves in his car?
Why did he not question his wife, at any point, or formulate a defense to protect her if anyone potentially accused her?
He's supposed to be this big-shot lawyer, but it was only weeks after when his daughter mentioned Dissociative Identity Disorder, that he then put down to Barbara suffering from. He went that entire time without discussing with his wife that he thought she did it, but it's only after his daughter mentioned this disorder that he then had an explanation for.
We're supposed to believe that Jaden had this out-of-body experience to brutally murder someone, but still had the presence of mind to take the murder weapon with her, not to leave anything alarmingly incriminating behind, and then hide the murder weapon. Then wipe the murder weapon clean of any prints, find where Tommy Molto lived, sneak into his house and plant it, with some foolish intention of thinking it would protect her father from being convicted.
The first part.. .Carolyn is not a good mother.. she neglected her son so 1am is perfect lol. We see her as irresponsible and neglectful so her decision making skills are not there. A responsible adult would call the child's parents.
@@MakeupGenie21 I’m so surprised she even cared about the pregnancy and didn’t go for an abortion given she obviously didn’t care about her first child
Genuinely the whole time I couldn't fully believe Tommy as a suspect because of how he held the cat. It was too raw and emotional for him to be a murderer.
WTF? That is stupid as hell, how about this. Tommy fucked up and started to feel guilty as hell about what he has done, his emotions were starting to get the best of him. You are going to go against all of his crazy ass shit the entire season based on him holding a cat?
I despised his character so much up until that point, and then all the anger drained out of me and all I was left with was pity. ❤ That cat really proved his humanity
The show was so quick to use neighbor surveillance cameras to show Rusty beating up that witness but then when someone breaks into Tommy’s house and delivers the presumed MURDER WEAPON no one thinks to mention “hey let’s canvas the area and ask neighbors and shops for any security footage they have of that night”? Like I understand it’s a tv show but if they bring it up to show Rusty beat someone up, we’re supposed to believe they’d put such little effort into finding out who broke into Tommy’s? While the murderer likely went in through the side door, the car she drove would’ve been caught on someone’s camera! They just glossed over that and they could’ve 10000% found the killer that way, unbelievable 🤣
Good point. The show had cameras everywhere but only when it helped the writers try to create plot twist.
Exactly this only works if the daughter is a ninja by night
The side door was left open (Tommy stated) so there was no struggle to get into his apartment. But yea no cameras near or asking about witnesses for sure should have been asked.
@@MakeupGenie21 also, why was the son caught on security cameras the night of and nothing for the daughter the same night.
Yes, the lack of doorbell cameras and street surveillance/cameras is a major flaw. The writers could have added a few key details to further twist the daughter going to talk/confront or actually going to kill Carolyn. If the daughter showed up in dark clothing, hoodie/etc would imply she parked far away from the house and could have remained undetected from cameras, used an open window, if she was in fact planning with precision to kill Carolyn.
We know in the final scene she was dressed normally and used the front door. So she went to confront and fell into a crime of passion situation. Which means cameras could easily identify the daughter as the killer.
I wrote something about how the case should never had went to trial last week and the judge is letting the prosecution go on a long leash without any evidence.
This week in the finale Rusty basically uses my write up as his closing argument and won lmao
Also, the kid was a cool twist but the ending was kind of predictable. This was very much a less than 2 hour movie stretched into 8 episodes.
Yeah that was wild. I’m stealing that the next time my wife accuses me of not replacing the paper towels.
What a great episode and series. Great acting by Maggie Gylenhaal’s husband and baby bro.
45 mins into the episode, I was still 100% sure it was Tommy’s dissociated alter who did it. Really great to be wrong even though I kinda feel like that would’ve been more interesting based on the poker being planted. It might be a bit of stretch to think Rusty’s daughter and Carolyn sit down and calmly drink tea together right after Carolyn and Rusty were plowing each other. Carolyn’s just like “sorry bitch your dad likes this ole ass, and oh by the way I’m pregnant with your dad’s child honey” and then immediately decides to turn her back for 10 seconds.
i don’t think they were intimate on the night she was murdered.. pretty sure rusty went to visit her, they argued and then he left i think i recall him saying he kissed her only
It's really annoying it wasn't Tommy who was the murderer........it was a LEGIT horrible missed opportunity. If I wrote this, that's how I would have ended it. Think about IT, Tommy fell in love with HER, she didn't want to be with HIM. It would have been a killing out of passion and since he hates RUSTY and she fell in LOVE with Rusty the jealousy drove Tommy mad. One of those "If I can't have her, nobody can" moments. Rusty is the perfect guy to take the fall for his actions, Tommy killed Carolyn and set up Rusty. WOW now THAT is something to write home about. And putting Rusty away not only makes TOMMY innocent BUT he puts away his enemy at the same fucking time. That is insane motives. Even his own partner started to speculate something was off with Tommy towards the end. The POKER planted in his apartment could have drove him mad with guilt. I mean come the fuck on, but making the daughter the one who did it? That is just lazy writing, the story wasn't driven towards her at all, there was ZERO build up period, it was shitty, shallow and empty ending. AND to make it even worse, yes it gets worse, Carolyn's murder wasn't put to justice, the murderer gets away?????? Lord have mercy
This is what made the most sense to me. I wanted it to be Tommy too lol
I knew it early but episode 7 waa her admission of guilt
Fair warning: If my theory doesn‘t pan out I will declare this the worst show ever and curse anyone who likes it but I’ll get over it by the end of the week. I’m dramatic. Thanks in advance for understanding :)