Well, I was definitely surprised at the ending; I was beginning to think I was way too forgetful. I read the book by Scott Turow years ago. I just googled it & was happy that I was right for my sanity’s sake. The book ends with the wife being the killer.
Ruth Negga’s performance at the end was outstanding. All the emotions running across her face and the broken ”noooo” when she’s learning the truth. Wow
@@seanj2370that's because in the book this is based on the wife is the murderer. The writers of the show didn't really do much to change all of that narratively.
I think the hardest part for Rusty was to avoid at all costs to let the prosecutor having suspicion on his family. He had to incriminate himself enough to maintain the focus on him and at the same time not incriminate himself too much to not been seen guilty. He did well in my opinion when he went visiting a second time the killer at the prison knowing the conversation would be recorded and retained against him.
@@xkueen for many reasons... I believe it's better for him to not delay further the trial because for example remember the prosecutor has a picture of his son next to the house of the victim on the day of her death... If they can identify his son, the suspicion will be directed on his family...
Definitely some plot holes and things that don’t make perfect sense. But a thrilling ride over all. What I appreciated most at the very end was how differently I felt about Tommy. He went from the plotting, evil villain…to just a lonely, socially awkward dude with a cat, who cared about Carolyn even though she maybe didn’t care for him back. And he was actually onto something with Rusty after all, his intuitions were partially correct considering Rusty tied her up (which is pretty insane/psychopathic if you truly think about it). Tommy ends up being the normal dude just trying to do the right thing.
True but Tommy went after Rusty with the first initial and circumstantial evidence being that Rusty was there that same night and completely ran with it. Which in turn stopped everyone from looking for the real killer. There are no good guys in the show.
@@joshuamartinez7251He was right. Rusty was an accesory to murder and legally could be convicted of murder for his actions tying her up and covering up the murder.
I too felt this way about tommy and it changed through the season. He reminds me of the guy who is really good at his job but does not have a great social circle and therefore gets overlooked and under appreciated. I think it was essential for them to have tommy the weirdo but good guy and rusty the likeable jock type who is a bad person and for them to have a rivalry or some sort of workplace dislike for each other.
The wife kept encouraging Barbara to cheat on Rusty, so no even she wasn’t good person. If you want to leave a marriage then just leave, why lie and cheat?
it came out of left field for me. I'm not saying she had no motive but to kill a person. a pregnant woman and go off to do tik toks with her brother was weird. because there was nothing sadistic or sociopathic in her demeanor or behavior.
It was pretty obvious either his son or his daughter that killed caroline. The writer clerly put hint on his kids all over the place. His son with bat and rage or her daughter sneaking up like she has secrets.
The actresss that portrays Barbara deserves every penny she got from this series. The drooling last episode 😂😂😂 was fucking iconic that’s some Viola Davis nose running wig on type acting! Wow
Really? We saw next to nothing about who Carolyn is. But from what we saw, she was a mother who had abandoned her son, manipulating Rusty to advance her career and an officer of the court who withheld exculpatory evidence to frame a man sending him to prison for murder and needlessly provoking a child by directly threatening her family's cohesion. She was a horrible person. What I don't understand is how Rusty knew immediately it was his wife and proceeded to tie Carolyn up? And why was his son there? Just a coincidence? And why did his mother throw away his bicycle?
Yeah throwing away the bicycle was dumb af lmao. Yeah idk why he immediately “knew” it was his wife. Like yeah… she knew about her husband cheating but from what she was told from Rusty it was over sometime ago. His daughter wild for killing her once she learned she was pregnant 💀
Carolyn, even though she was the one who was murdered, the series wasn't about her, it was about everything else. It was framed to be about Rusty and his family going through some rough shit. Once you start throwing up Carolyn's family history, more romanitc moments with Rusty shit like that it'll take away from the central thriller.
@@guilamonster654 Until you are in that situation personally, it'll be IMPOSSIBLE to predict how you would react. It's so easy being on the outside saying "I wouldn't have done that" but in reality humans do dumb shit all the time and later it hits what they could have done differently. You are already at the part of "I wouldn't have done that" without experiencing what led up to that, the reason she was there the anger she was going through, the emotions were out of control for her breaking point.
@@Kanoog I wouldn't go anywhere near comparing this to real life people as if it could actually happen like the way it is written. It's fun to watch and the acting is good. Trials don't work like that either, it would have been thrown out of court numerous times. Can't just introduce new evidence half way through haha.
If Peter Sarsgaard doesn’t get an Emmy nod for this series, there’s no justice. I’ve never been a huge fan of his, but he was unbelievable in this role. I think the hair helped as well. I know he’s balding a bit, but he really shouldn’t rock the shaved head quite as much in the future. The longer hair was actually a good look for him and it certainly helped the character.
Hear me out -- The onlyyyy thing missing is that I think it would've made more sense for the brother and sister to both have ties to C's murder. The daughter snapped, yes. And in hindsight, the clues were there and subtly planted throughout the episodes, beautifully. But Rusty's son was watching C for a while and was there the night of the murder. It's almost too perfect that they didn't cross paths at all. It would've made sense if he saw his sister there (or heading there and turned his bike back around to follow her), watched out of curiousity, and then once it all went down (the murder) he would've came in to help his sister cover up. Even if it was just him offering moral support or a "pact" to keep it on the hush between the two of them. After all, they both would've shared similar sentiment on the matter (C being a homewrecker that helped ruin their family, the arrival of a sibling from their father's mistress being hurtful, etc.) Not to mention, I just think the heads of TWO smart young kids makes more sense for a crime scene that significant to be meticulously left unmarked. Yes, each kid is smart and they are both the children of brilliant parents, one of whom is a decorated lawyer who brings his work home. But they are both still kids. The brother is the eldest teen and seems a bit more grounded. He also carried the secret of the affair longer and moved tactically. The sister is a bit more disassociated and I feel like her brother witnessing the crime, stepping in to help her in her shock, and then them making a sibling-pact would've made more sense. It would also have tied up beautifully the brother's recurring release of anger throughout the series (when he was banging the hell out of the garage with those balls). Lol! I swear I was waiting for the brother to walk in when the sister finished confessing, to say he was a part of it too. And I was expecting Barbara to slink to the floor and gag/cry some damn more once she realized her whole family was full of crazies and she was the only normie. Lol!
Imo (even though it wasn’t shown), the bro, & probably her own son did see it, that’s why he was enraged at the trial, & why his son got rid of the bike. Maybe I’ll enjoy it more on a rewatch. It’s kinda like every person who accused him of being there, technically now can be believed. The son for sure saw either his dad or sister, he was acting nervous the entire time, & that explains why Jake G got rid of the bike from the trash can. Didn’t want to take any chances.
The son wasn’t there the night of. He got photographed some other night. Carolyn’s son took photos many nights and passed all of them to the police, not just the night of the murder.
Did you listen to the conversation? Jaydan stated that she wanted her out of their lives for good. To quit her job, etc. Carolyn told her about the child in reaction to that.
Absolutely phenomenal performances throughout the whole series! I loved it and happy with the ending! Thank you for covering each episode! I’m looking forward to the next season!
Also… anyone else immediately soften to Tommy after his cat showed up in the show? And then worry about the cat after the break in. No cat daddy is gonna be a killer.
The second season was confirmed to be a new case. So even though it was made as a limited series, it turned out so great that they turned it into an anthology!
@@carlanthonysanchez2045 but he already assumed Barbara killed her when he arrived at the scene of the crime and not after checking her GPS history. Also, he only mentioned tracking her car to Tommy's house.
@@miiiiiiilk Because he thaught Barbara is the only person who could have intention of killing Carolyn. maybe they had intense fight about Carolyn not long ago.
@@jeanerictuyishimire8778 I personally think it is a bit far fetched as Carolyn was a prosecutor and it is not uncommon to have enemies in her profession. To be so certain that Barbara did it and cover up a murder is a but of a stretch in my opinion.
The way Jaden kept hugging her dad supporting him without a doubt let me know she felt guilty for something then I noticed the bags under her eyes towards the end. My list was the Daughter Barbara or Tommy. What and ending man
This ending had a gaping hole in the plot. Rusty arrives to the scene of the crime and was able conclude with high confidence that his wife was the killer? What would give him that confidence? It does't make sense. To arrive at the scene, come to that conclusion and then decide to tie up the body is a HUGE risk to take. AND he was wrong... It just seems like a really foolish thing to do unless it was obvious that it was the wife. I bet if you rewatch the episodes Rusty's performance won't reveal any nuance acting that showed he knew who the killer was the whole time. Also the whole thing about the daughter bringing up the concept of disassociation was a bit on the nose.
I kind of agree, it’s a little foolish he immediately assumed his wife did it. But I found it interesting that in the final episode, while in bed Rusty is wide awake and just watching Barbara sleep. Almost as if he can’t comfortably sleep beside her. It reminded me of a past episode where Rusty does the same thing while they’re in bed, but it gives off a different tone given Rusty was the only suspect at that time. I think maybe that was one of the hints but I could be reaching.
@@eyezam I agreed and noticed this as well, we all just assumed he couldn't sleep because of the case but that's just our assumption, in reality he couldn't sleep because he suspected his wife did it. Logically it couldn't be her son cause most likely the son would have gotten the father to help him cover up the crime. Also the son wouldn't have as much in dept information on the bunny davis case as rusty's wife. Bunny Davis wasn't Carolyn's only case, so to say that her son randomly stumbled through all her cases and just happen to discover that one and be able to tie her up with surgical precision?? Loll like cmon it clearly had to be someone tied to the bunny davis case orr someone who had enough time to study the case files in dept. Even if the wife tied up Carolyn that would have been a stretch tbh because there's no way she's gonna be able to tie her up exactly like past victims. Only Rusty would be able to tie her up like that
So the daughter drove to the victims house and then back and nobody noticed or observed? Did she use the same car as Rusty? Was this meant to be between Rusty leaving and coming back later? Im a bit confused here. In any case, the prosecution missed this and also her driving to drop off the poker.
In the scene that Barbara confesses to the kiss she had with the bartender. His angry response makes more sense with the context that he is operating under the assumption that Barbara is the killer.
Part of me wanted it to be Barbara but it would have been even better if both kids were involved since the brother was literally captured riding his bike by Carolyn’s house that night and that either Rusty wasn’t involved at all or he came back and tied her up. But I wish they would have made it known how he knew it was someone in his family that killed her.
I did originally think that both kids were involved when they were revealing things i thought the boy killed carolyn and the daughter placed the firepoker. I think it would have been more realistic had the wife done the deed though. But for entertainment purposes i really enjoyed this and well acted and produced.
As there was one week of time for the verdict we all had our theories ready and in someway we did get disappointed. 1. Rusty coming to the conclusion that Barbara murdered Caroline in those moment of tense is something that doesn’t satisfy his narrative later. He is already shown as impulsive and what he could easily think of in that moment of tense is, the case would turn towards him and the act of tying body like Liam Reynolds did only to navigate the case towards Liam not him as he will be considered as prime suspect. 2. But major plus of the show on Rusty’s character parse is he have two things to prove one is that he is not guilty of the murder and the other not let Molto or Jury to consider Barbara at any point in the case as she might be more anguish to kill Caroline than anyone else which we also see as the story progresses. But what did the story lack is to have or build events that would lead Rusty to arrive at the conclusion that Barbara might have done it and she is trying to show by playing victim card on herself that she is still there for Rusty thought the journey even when she knew Rusty had affair with Caroline and to prove her innocence which helps to conceal her true self which might have perfectly proved why Rusty came to the conclusion that it’s Barbara like some of us did too. Because of this, the final revelation of Jaden seemed like out of blue as her character arc is not established and to let the audience understand the motive behind her action. Barbara had enough presence to make us feel how much she had suffered which is not the same case with Jaden. I even had suspected Molto to have played major role in killing Caroline either all by himself as he has reasons of his own and trying to set the narrative from the beginning that Rusty is the murderer or in accomplice with Barbara who shared the same feeling of hate towards Caroline. Even with all this, Presumed Innocent is compelling series comprising of wonderful performace by Peter, Ruth, Bill and rest of the cast. Renate looks wonderful in the series even though her screen time is very less, she will definitely grab the attention. And the showman, Jake is fantastic and gave yet another unforgettable performances of all time. Man it’s so hard to consider him either as innocent or as guilty, which is predominantly due to writing which was taken to another level by Jake. Kudos to all the writers and directors and technicians involved in this and to have gotten opportunity to bring up season 2.
It was great show & impossible to predict Jayden!! I HUGELY appreciate that they let us know and did NOT do the trendy abrupt ending thing that feels lazy, not clever!! 🤙♥️
Personally I did not like the ending. I felt like it cheated. They planted -- very cleverly -- multiple theories across all the episodes pointing to different people. Then they conclude by saying, Nope, it was this other person, because things happened that you couldn't have know about.... I think this kind of story, to avoid cheating, needs to make the correct inference at least accessible before the big reveal. This show didn't do that, unless I missed something.
Yea same feeling. They planted a lot of clues in the show, but no clue about the daughter. They might as well would let have Tommy’s cat be the murderer.
About in the midpoint I understood that this is one of those kind of shows where it's not possible to deduct who is a killer and random character gets revealed in the end. Great acting, but ending was terrible.
There seems to be a flaw in the plot. Why did Jayden confront Carolyn when the affair was over a year ago. How would she know that it just started up again a week ago?
It was great seeing the daughter shift from trying to portray she's disgusted at the thought of her father being a murderer to regretting it immensely when it was looking like he was going to get convicted
Yea.. the ending was mid. A lot of questions to be asked: - The lawyer woman said they hired detectives to watch Barbara having an affair with the bartender, but they never saw the daughter leaving the house with the death weapon and went to tommy’s house? - we didn’t had any clue it could have been the daughter. The build up was to show Tommy might be the killer, but we get a random plot twist? Would have been nice to give clues in the episodes that would lead to the murder caused by the daughter.. -lastly, why was the bike photo scene so important? He drove by, Tommy even wrote “bike” in his notes, but didn’t brought it up at court? Unnecessary scene..
I think there WAS clues about the daughter. Her discussion about "doing something and thinking it was a dream", and when they talked in the garage (as they said in this video), you could SEE she had something hanging on her
@@Koki-hc3mw not true. If the computers were taken from the kids during the search, they are also important for this case. Especially when the daughter used Barbaras car. So in that case, you could say that the detectives would have followed Barbaras car to Tommy’s house. Just bad writing
We did had clues about both of his kids. The writer put hints all over the place. They put his son first with bat and rage, and then her daughter with her sneaking up and trying to listen the conversation. I knew either one of could be the killer since the early episode.
@@borneocoolpad7833 daughter sneaking up to listen to the convo? That’s a hint? Kids always trying to listen and want to know what’s going on. Besides that, that is a boy thing to do, to lose some anger. Especially when he found out his dad told the family about his affair.
Great way to describe Rusty and Barbara’s interaction in the very end as they both look at each other. Rusty looking at Barbara with love (and a bit of guilt) and Barbara’s look, pretending to be ok and putting a smile for her family but deep down with fear in her eyes. Like the saying goes: “Every time you forgive him, he will love you a little more but you will stop loving him. So the day he loves you the most, you will not feel anything for him anymore”. Deep stuff. I wish we got more of the good times from Rusty and Barbara. Also hope season 2 Even though it’s a new case, includes the Sabich family. I mean, the hell Rusty went through in a way shows his love for Barbara and his family. Can’t way for season 2. One last thing, I haven’t seen Ruth Negga promote the show, or her and Jake together. Wish we had more of the family cast do things together to promote season finale.
I just finished it this morning and all I can say is WOW!, my wife swore up and down the ending was gonna play like the movie...I told her "why would they do that?, thats too easy", towards the end they were leaning that way...THEN BOOM!!!
it was great twisted ending!!! I loved it! I did watched the 90's movie, with harrison ford, so I was expecting the ending to be the same. after all Rusty and Carolyn caused everything and ruined people around them. rusty protecting his daughter is his lifetime redemption to carolyn, even this was a story, but great teaching for those who is having secret affairs outside of their significant others. again great watch!!
what 8 weeks, i binged it yesterday after stumbling into it, thankfully,. cause if i had to watched it over 8 weeks it would totally suck and i wouldnt get anything, but having binged it, i must admit i was super-glued on my chair and couldnt go to sleep before i watched it all
This show is perfect. The acting all around, especially Bill Camp, and the the rest of the lawyers-DA office was great. Having us doubt suspects because of her being tied up was great. This wasn't just an "eliminate 1 person a week" murder show. Only time I thought the daughter was when Rusty asked her if her mom sent her in to talk, and she didn't answer. The acting was so good that it wasn't all about solving the murder to me.
I always thought it was weird that she was tied up. I knew the wife did it in the book but I figured she wouldnt be able to tie her up and then kill her. It makes sense that he did it after. On the other hand the "support" from the daughter seemed a lot more guilty later in the show. Good stuff.
To me there was no foreshadowing, to the point where its obvious Jayden's behaviors prior to the trial do not make any sense. 1) In the scene where Rusty finds out about the murder, his family is sitting outside, he finds out while standing behind a patio door. His daughter does not even look at him and continues snacking on the sun lounger. Remember she had just been out in the middle of the night committing murder and cleaning up the crime scene and car. 2) The scene where Rusty tells his children he had been unfaithful. Later we find out both the children knew about this. They both leave the room looking angry at their father. 3) Jayden should be going through an internal crisis. She had only just committed murder and knew someone had been back in the house and HOG TIED the dead body.
In the original, The wife carefully planned and killed Carolyn and also left evidence behind to implicate Rusty. So it was a lot better story, showing the politics involved with the legal system and also great courtroom drama. Apple failed with all that.
@@hmmm2564 In hindsight, if you rewatch the early episodes with Jake thinking his wife is killer, his behavior makes no sense. Why would he be shocked finding out Carolyn had been killed? Why was Jayden just kicking back so casually in the backyard the day after commiting murder? Why would anyone put up with a psycho wife who killed the woman you loved and then was willing to let you get railroaded into prison for it?
It's intriguing... Rusty didn't learn anything. He remained a horrible person, doing terrible things to his family and causing them immense pain. In the end, he just covers for his daughter, leaving his wife to bear this pain as well. Rusty is content with how things turned out, decreeing that no one should ever talk about it again. This forces everyone to carry the burden of his affair and a murder in silence. I suppose the writers wanted to show us just how awful Rusty is, corrupting everyone he comes into contact with. I would have preferred if the daughter was consumed by guilt and confessed to her parents that she intended to turn herself in. Rusty would then realize he was responsible for the chain of events leading to the murder. It would have been compelling to see him, for once, protect his family by admitting to a crime he didn't commit, showing them he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice out of love. Again I get that his character is ultimately a scum bag so that was never in the cards. I'm not saying I didn't like the actual ending... I didn't see if unfolding the the way it did so I guess in that regard they did a fantastic job.
Yup. A pretty genius way to still keep Rusty the narcissistic person he is, but also make him not the murderer. And he's right, it wasn't Jaden's fault really. He put her in an impossible position. Constantly going back and back and back, destroying his family over and over again. And Barbara was unwilling, or unable to leave Rusty. Which we KNOW Jaden judged Barbara for.
Eh idk I actually came away liking rusty, he was willing to put his life on the line to protect his wife/daughter. Like the court could've found him guilty very easily, he put himself in harms way.
if you haven’t watched stop reading, the daughter having no screen-time was great or we 100% all would’ve guessed reminded me so much of Seven with Kevin spacey coming out of no-where,for twist to work i think blind-siding the audience works wonders instead of cliche Screentime = Killer
They didn't even give the Victim any screen time. The audience had idea who Carolyn was and/or why there were so many people who May have wanted to harm her. They had 8 hours to tell the whole story but they still left Half of it out.
The fact that right after Carolyn’s murder trial everyone went back to their lives (Tommy watching football and cheering, the family laughing and having dinner) shows that no one really even cared about her, she was not missed. I think that implies that she wasn’t the best person lol
@@BrainPilot Anthology is not bad imo. In fact it would good because on how they handle story plots in season 1. The fact I liked how the story went makes me want some more of this kind of genre.
I was wondering why Rusty’s daughter was more concerned with the Dad’s trial than the son, at first i thought it was the father-daughter bond only but turns out it was deeper.
Jaden being the killer is such a poorly executed twist. At no point in the early episodes does the audience get any hints or notions that it could be her. The only clue we get is her conversation about dissociation. I have a hard time believing that this well adjusted well raised girl can suddenly commit murder out of nowhere. At what point in the earlier episodes was Jaden shown to be mentally unstable or emotionally volatile? A good murder mystery plays fair with its audience and establishes hints that give the audience of fair opportunity to solve the mystery of themselves if they are paying attention. Aside from taking a wild shot in the dark no audience would ever be able to guess that it was the daughter based on how the character was handled.
Holy smokes, what a show! This literally made me lose interest in 'The Boys' and 'House of the Dragon'. Jake is always phenomenal, but wow, were the supporting cast, screenwriters, and directors beyond amazing! I feel like Apple has been financing some really amazing shows that people are sleeping on. Can’t wait for the second season of 'Severance' to come out! 'Presumed Innocent' literally had me on edge and feening for the next episode the whole time 😂.
Wow completely threw me off guard... in the original movie it was the wife. Was shocked when the daughter was the one who killed carolyn and rusty is guilty bc he tampered with evidence and a human corpse. Smh. Carolyn and her unborn baby didnt deserve to be murdered she needs justice... if there's a season 2 i hope they get their karma. Evil.
Thank you for this video. I’m sorry I didn’t get to see the final episode because I don’t have Apple TV anymore, can someone tell me if the daughter gets away with it? So no one is formally charged, right? Thanks,
They say they are brother in laws lol I believe they were showing their hatred for each other here acting instead of real life lol. That's how good the acting was.
Jake Gyllenhaal was such a convincing psychopath in "Nightcrawler", I cannot see him as anything but the villain in any other role since that masterpiece.
The show subverted my expectations at every turn. I never once suspected anyone in the family, not even Rusty because that would've been too easy/predictable. But at the end I was hoping for the twist that it was Rusty and at first I thought he was confessing. Looking back, there was a clue that he thought Barbara was the killer when he said she had a hand in all of this. It was confusing and infuriating but now makes complete sense. I was surprised but not really satisfied wth the reveal except for the part where Rusty covered up for Jaden. However, I must admit I wasn't rooting for Rusty at all. And this was probably my least favorite role for Ruth Vega. Overall, I really enjoyed the show.
Excellent Breakdown!.. my thing is, is so, rusty just conveniently had the rope and other accessories to tie her up with? Unless, she had this material on hand.
Appreciate the summary, great job. A couple of things that you have to suspend (in your mind) to enjoy the ending. 1. How come Rusty's DNA wasn't on the rope he used to tie up Carolyn? Was this explained. Let me know if I missed it. 2. How a suburban girl like her going to break into Tommy's "home" not seen and NOT leave any kind of trace evidence left behind. Especially with the printed note? Still a good movie though. I enjoyed it.
1. He was wearing gloves 2. I too think that it doesn't make sense, it's almost like they just want to be so unpredictable about the ending ,so they made the daughter to be the killer , it's a bit underwhelming/ out of the blue / forced and like ''oh.. okay... '' still like the show tho, Jake Gyllenhaal is great as always
I knew it was the daughter but had no idea Rusty helped as well. Also people expected Rusty to turn himself in to protect his daughter but Rusty is a scumbag and will do anything to appear anything other than that. A similar show was Secrets and Lies where by the daughter did indeed do the crime and her father was on trial for it. Because he wasnt a scumbag he decided to take the fall for his daughter . I like this change
That’s even a bigger scumbag. Leaving his daughter out in the wild can cause more harm than him being out of prison and keeping an eye out on his daughter. Think about for a min before you respond. Weight the pros and cons.
I expected Rusty to get angry at his daughter since he loved(obsessed) Carolyn so much. And yes cheating is wrong and you can call him a scumbag for it. but murdering a woman, a pregnant woman even, is far worse
How did you know besides a guess ? There was literally no part that shows she wasn't home or that she was angry against Carolyn. They showed a little potential among other people, but not her. Horrible writing.
I loved the show. Very well done. Although the original Presumed Innocent twist is iconic and essential . It would be as if the remade The Sixth and Bruce Willis wasn’t a ghost. However being that this was a story “ based on” the original, with new characters and altered details it was very entertaining and enjoyable.
Great series overall, however (big comma), the proverbial money-shot-reveal was less dramatic boarding on meh. I get the subliminal hints throughout the series and the usual lineup of who actually did it suspects but the aha moment was more pop-its, then firecracker.
Malto & Rusty killed it. However once Rusty represented himself and won it made the show lose value. I say that bc 9.9/10 times anyone representing themselves often lose. Ep. 1 he acts genuinely shock and distraught about Carolyn murder but then we found out he already knew about it. So why the theatrics? I don’t think this the end because something tells me Rusty DID kill her while abusing the Ritalin. Maybe a season 2 ? Who knows but overall grade (C+) they coudlve eliminated one or two episode. It dragged at times and the Volvo explanation was BS those cars are nosiest. They had the opportunity to expand more in the female characters like Carolyn instead of showing her as a s3x crazed coworker show us the amount of cases she won. Rusty lawyer was super cabals of taking over but we don’t see her talents displayed to represent Rusty ? These reasons were what made the show imo seem inconsistent. Not and but not great
I think people with strong families had a different feeling about that ending vs others. When Rusty said “it was self defense” i found that an interest concept to consider. The affair was not innocent. It caused real pain. Can a person defend themselves from a person that threatening their mental health by actions?
The reason why rusty assumed his wife was the killer can be explained as follows... He initiatally panicked then his prosecutor mindset came in.. There was no break in.. She was lying on her back.. Soo she knew the culprit and let the person in.... If it was a past convict seeking revenge due to her prosecuting her.. Rusty would of seen signs.. Soo due to this rusty had to conclude the only person with motive and opportunity to kill was his wife.. And.... It was a calculated risk anyway rather than calling the police
I honestly thought it was the son and the mom was covering for him. (like why would she clean the bike??? and why did the bike later thrown to the trash, especially when the prosecutor circled "bike" when looking at the photos taken the night of the murder.0 Why would the son insist to his dad to plea guilty so soon into the court proceedings???? When Rusty confronted his son for why he was there that night, Barbara stood up for his son, saying Rusty needs to calm down and I should talk to him (son). As Rusty was waiting in another room, could Barbara and his son be trying to get there story straight.
Ive been so jaded for the past 4 years of complete shite being offered up on streaming and Hollywood in general. But ill be god damned if this show isnt one of if not the best show ive seen. The acting was chefs kiss and the story, characters and directing are superb. Absolute banger of a show 10/10
Idk if I’m happy with the ending. I’m left with more questions and concerns lol Like the daughter is a murderer! That’s crazy. I actually thought at one point the brother did something to Carolin. But Jake’s brother in law did amazing in his role. He definitely played the obsession to beat Jake’s character well.
Personally I was disappointed. Show was a bit dull and the final twist felt like it was done because it was the only character not hinted at in other episodes. Movie was much better in my opinion. Good cast though.
So some holes in this serie: Bike scene: Tommy wrote down “bike” in his notes, but didn’t brought it up in court? He could have spotted his son out and questioned him. The daughter leaving fingerprints in Carolyns house, but Rusty knew she sat down etc and cleaned all here fingerprints in 51 minutes? As a watcher their were no clues that the daughter would have done it. Yes she had weird body language and spoke about certain things, but tommy would have been a good one to choose, since he had “love” for Carolyn. Carolyns son also mentioned a “man” who she was scared of at work (with no name attached). This man would have been Tommy.
Just a thought: he is a professional district attorney. He knows how criminals make mistakes at crime scenes and could have probably totally cleansed that scene in an hour. I also remember the daughter talking about "doing something and thinking it was a dream"...that had me thinking it could be her (or her brother) a few episodes ago. In the end, I was wrong. I thought it was the wife the whole time (again, I also read the book and saw the Harrison Ford movie where this was true)
You can’t introduce new evidence or witnesses in court once it’s started, so Tommy Malton wouldve had to get approval to question Rusty’s (minor) son but then where would that lead to? He never even entered the house.
@@Koki-hc3mw sure, but the show explicitly showed him writing bike in his notes, but never brought it up. Why was this bike photo such a big deal? firstly Rusty was shocked, secondly tommy wrote it down, thirdly they tried to dump the bike. So many scenes but lead to nothing.
I think the ending was underwhelming, it did a disservice to Tommy's characterization in my opinion. A better ending would be to have both children involved in Carolyn's murder so Kyle being there that night doesn't feel random. Instead of Jade confessing to her parents after the trial, it would've been better if she confessed before the verdict, to Tommy, with the murder weapon as evidence. Stating that she can no longer bear effects of her actions on her father. In an effort to protect his family, Rusty pleads with Tommy to not go after Jade, stating that he will plead guilty. This would put Tommy in a predicament. Should he continue going after Rusty, the person he has a personal vendetta against, or do his job as a prosecutor. In the end Rusty pleads guilty and would serve a life sentence. Nico congratulates an indifferent and apathetic Tommy, questioning whether what he had done was right or wrong, or worth the chase.
Thanks for tuning into the breakdowns of the episodes every week! What did you think of the twist in the finale? Let me know your thoughts!
Top 3 (5 minimum) Show of the year, Jake just entered the Emmy’s Nomination for me
Next emmy’s we’ll find out if Academy have something against lawyers cause Rhea seehorn should have a few
i was thinking like him his wife i knew he was involved
my younger brother looks exactly like him. family is stronger than law i would do everything to save them guilty or not
Well, I was definitely surprised at the ending; I was beginning to think I was way too forgetful. I read the book by Scott Turow years ago. I just googled it & was happy that I was right for my sanity’s sake. The book ends with the wife being the killer.
Jake Gyllenhaal deserves awards for this. Such a great actor!
Next emmy’s we’ll find out if Academy have something against lawyers cause Rhea seehorn should have a few
@@Kevin.Costner. love Rhea Seehorn!
Barbara deserves one for being the biggest dummy I ever seen
Ya. A little too good lol. Freaky guy
He’s definitely one of my favorite actors. I love him in Prisoners and Enemy.
Ruth Negga’s performance at the end was outstanding. All the emotions running across her face and the broken ”noooo” when she’s learning the truth. Wow
Yeah she was great in the show!
Give her all the awards.
i lowkey believed she did all that but then came jade and i still thought maybe she just planted that poker but shit😴😴
Lol the drooling was iconic
You should watch Preacher she’s great in that
Barbara living with the crazies 😂
Hahaha for real I'm surprised she still with her mind right
Atleast the son is innocent..... that we know of....
She was a little too perfect, really no reaction when she finds out she's been lied to? She's human, or not?
@@seanj2370that's because in the book this is based on the wife is the murderer. The writers of the show didn't really do much to change all of that narratively.
@@Rash23215 I don’t think so… He was there in the night of her killing. He may helped his father or the sister.
I think the hardest part for Rusty was to avoid at all costs to let the prosecutor having suspicion on his family. He had to incriminate himself enough to maintain the focus on him and at the same time not incriminate himself too much to not been seen guilty. He did well in my opinion when he went visiting a second time the killer at the prison knowing the conversation would be recorded and retained against him.
Yes! He was in control this whole time.
why didn't he go for the mistrial then?
@@xkueen for many reasons... I believe it's better for him to not delay further the trial because for example remember the prosecutor has a picture of his son next to the house of the victim on the day of her death... If they can identify his son, the suspicion will be directed on his family...
That last episode had some of the best acting I’ve seen in a while...
Yeah it really did!
Ayo Mori 🫵 heyyy
just recently saw it, i agree
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Definitely some plot holes and things that don’t make perfect sense. But a thrilling ride over all. What I appreciated most at the very end was how differently I felt about Tommy. He went from the plotting, evil villain…to just a lonely, socially awkward dude with a cat, who cared about Carolyn even though she maybe didn’t care for him back. And he was actually onto something with Rusty after all, his intuitions were partially correct considering Rusty tied her up (which is pretty insane/psychopathic if you truly think about it). Tommy ends up being the normal dude just trying to do the right thing.
True but Tommy went after Rusty with the first initial and circumstantial evidence being that Rusty was there that same night and completely ran with it. Which in turn stopped everyone from looking for the real killer. There are no good guys in the show.
@@joshuamartinez7251He was right. Rusty was an accesory to murder and legally could be convicted of murder for his actions tying her up and covering up the murder.
I enjoyed every episode, great season..
bro i was so convinced it was tommy i started hating him😭
I too felt this way about tommy and it changed through the season. He reminds me of the guy who is really good at his job but does not have a great social circle and therefore gets overlooked and under appreciated. I think it was essential for them to have tommy the weirdo but good guy and rusty the likeable jock type who is a bad person and for them to have a rivalry or some sort of workplace dislike for each other.
Kind of fitting that Tommy’s actor (Peter Sarsgaard) is married to Maggie Gyllenhaal, so it’s brother in laws literally arguing in Court of Law🙌
Yeah that kept making me laugh throughout the show!
😂😂
Thats crazy. Maybe they do a Secretary reboot
I had no idea that's great!
And Raymond and his wife arguing at home. I had no idea Bill Camp and Elizabeth Marvel were married until I watched this show.
Honestly they did a good job @ showing no one was a good person in this show
Not even the victim
Raymond and his wife
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So far lol
True. I think that's why they have a saying that Good is not a thing you are. It's a thing you do.
The wife after all didn't do anything horrific 😅
The wife kept encouraging Barbara to cheat on Rusty, so no even she wasn’t good person. If you want to leave a marriage then just leave, why lie and cheat?
jaden was such a good pot twisted hell i suspected Tommys cat before her😂
😂😂
it came out of left field for me. I'm not saying she had no motive but to kill a person. a pregnant woman and go off to do tik toks with her brother was weird. because there was nothing sadistic or sociopathic in her demeanor or behavior.
@@janejones-ro8qp exactly
It was pretty obvious either his son or his daughter that killed caroline. The writer clerly put hint on his kids all over the place. His son with bat and rage or her daughter sneaking up like she has secrets.
@@borneocoolpad7833yea but I didn’t suspect to be her it at all I suspected Kyle and Caroline’s son more then Jaden
The actresss that portrays Barbara deserves every penny she got from this series. The drooling last episode 😂😂😂 was fucking iconic that’s some Viola Davis nose running wig on type acting! Wow
shes an oscar nominated actor! love Ruth Negga
@@nickatnite16Ruth nigga was amazing
Really?
We saw next to nothing about who Carolyn is. But from what we saw, she was a mother who had abandoned her son, manipulating Rusty to advance her career and an officer of the court who withheld exculpatory evidence to frame a man sending him to prison for murder and needlessly provoking a child by directly threatening her family's cohesion.
She was a horrible person.
What I don't understand is how Rusty knew immediately it was his wife and proceeded to tie Carolyn up?
And why was his son there? Just a coincidence? And why did his mother throw away his bicycle?
Yeah throwing away the bicycle was dumb af lmao. Yeah idk why he immediately “knew” it was his wife. Like yeah… she knew about her husband cheating but from what she was told from Rusty it was over sometime ago.
His daughter wild for killing her once she learned she was pregnant 💀
Carolyn, even though she was the one who was murdered, the series wasn't about her, it was about everything else. It was framed to be about Rusty and his family going through some rough shit. Once you start throwing up Carolyn's family history, more romanitc moments with Rusty shit like that it'll take away from the central thriller.
@@guilamonster654 Until you are in that situation personally, it'll be IMPOSSIBLE to predict how you would react. It's so easy being on the outside saying "I wouldn't have done that" but in reality humans do dumb shit all the time and later it hits what they could have done differently. You are already at the part of "I wouldn't have done that" without experiencing what led up to that, the reason she was there the anger she was going through, the emotions were out of control for her breaking point.
@@Kanoog I wouldn't go anywhere near comparing this to real life people as if it could actually happen like the way it is written. It's fun to watch and the acting is good. Trials don't work like that either, it would have been thrown out of court numerous times. Can't just introduce new evidence half way through haha.
I believe Rusty said to his wife that he had installed a tracker on her car...
If Peter Sarsgaard doesn’t get an Emmy nod for this series, there’s no justice. I’ve never been a huge fan of his, but he was unbelievable in this role. I think the hair helped as well. I know he’s balding a bit, but he really shouldn’t rock the shaved head quite as much in the future. The longer hair was actually a good look for him and it certainly helped the character.
HE WAS DAMN GOOD
He deserves to be nominated. He captures the desperate nature so well.
Watch shattered glass. He is amazing in that
Hear me out -- The onlyyyy thing missing is that I think it would've made more sense for the brother and sister to both have ties to C's murder. The daughter snapped, yes. And in hindsight, the clues were there and subtly planted throughout the episodes, beautifully.
But Rusty's son was watching C for a while and was there the night of the murder. It's almost too perfect that they didn't cross paths at all. It would've made sense if he saw his sister there (or heading there and turned his bike back around to follow her), watched out of curiousity, and then once it all went down (the murder) he would've came in to help his sister cover up. Even if it was just him offering moral support or a "pact" to keep it on the hush between the two of them. After all, they both would've shared similar sentiment on the matter (C being a homewrecker that helped ruin their family, the arrival of a sibling from their father's mistress being hurtful, etc.)
Not to mention, I just think the heads of TWO smart young kids makes more sense for a crime scene that significant to be meticulously left unmarked. Yes, each kid is smart and they are both the children of brilliant parents, one of whom is a decorated lawyer who brings his work home. But they are both still kids. The brother is the eldest teen and seems a bit more grounded. He also carried the secret of the affair longer and moved tactically. The sister is a bit more disassociated and I feel like her brother witnessing the crime, stepping in to help her in her shock, and then them making a sibling-pact would've made more sense.
It would also have tied up beautifully the brother's recurring release of anger throughout the series (when he was banging the hell out of the garage with those balls). Lol! I swear I was waiting for the brother to walk in when the sister finished confessing, to say he was a part of it too. And I was expecting Barbara to slink to the floor and gag/cry some damn more once she realized her whole family was full of crazies and she was the only normie. Lol!
Imo (even though it wasn’t shown), the bro, & probably her own son did see it, that’s why he was enraged at the trial, & why his son got rid of the bike. Maybe I’ll enjoy it more on a rewatch. It’s kinda like every person who accused him of being there, technically now can be believed. The son for sure saw either his dad or sister, he was acting nervous the entire time, & that explains why Jake G got rid of the bike from the trash can. Didn’t want to take any chances.
The son wasn’t there the night of. He got photographed some other night. Carolyn’s son took photos many nights and passed all of them to the police, not just the night of the murder.
I didn't understand why Carolyn would tell the daughter about her being pregnant with her father's child
Absolutely!
Did you listen to the conversation? Jaydan stated that she wanted her out of their lives for good. To quit her job, etc. Carolyn told her about the child in reaction to that.
Because Carolyn isn’t a good person and a homewreckor herself
Carolyn is not a good person, She didn't even want to be with her son.
because Carolyn also isn't a good person lol she said that knowing that it would hurt the daughters feelings bro 💀
Absolutely phenomenal performances throughout the whole series! I loved it and happy with the ending! Thank you for covering each episode! I’m looking forward to the next season!
After watching the ending I felt like Raymond when his head exploded! 🤣
That was such a shocking moment!
Honestly I thought it was Tommy Molto
! 😂
I did for a while!
Also… anyone else immediately soften to Tommy after his cat showed up in the show? And then worry about the cat after the break in. No cat daddy is gonna be a killer.
Yes omg I was worried they would hurt his little guy
I was so relieved the cat was ok!!
As soon as the cat appeared I knew he wasn’t the killer. You don’t often see murderers being animal lovers
@@Estframa that's not really true lol, there's murderers that own pets
@@EstframaGodfather
The second season was confirmed to be a new case. So even though it was made as a limited series, it turned out so great that they turned it into an anthology!
That's good!
They could have done a better job at explaining why Rusty thought Barb had something to do with Carolyn's death.
The gps history of her car
@@carlanthonysanchez2045 but he already assumed Barbara killed her when he arrived at the scene of the crime and not after checking her GPS history. Also, he only mentioned tracking her car to Tommy's house.
@@miiiiiiilk Because he thaught Barbara is the only person who could have intention of killing Carolyn. maybe they had intense fight about Carolyn not long ago.
@@jeanerictuyishimire8778 I personally think it is a bit far fetched as Carolyn was a prosecutor and it is not uncommon to have enemies in her profession. To be so certain that Barbara did it and cover up a murder is a but of a stretch in my opinion.
@@miiiiiiilkhe didn’t know for sure, he just thought it was her.
The way Jaden kept hugging her dad supporting him without a doubt let me know she felt guilty for something then I noticed the bags under her eyes towards the end. My list was the Daughter Barbara or Tommy. What and ending man
This ending had a gaping hole in the plot. Rusty arrives to the scene of the crime and was able conclude with high confidence that his wife was the killer? What would give him that confidence? It does't make sense. To arrive at the scene, come to that conclusion and then decide to tie up the body is a HUGE risk to take. AND he was wrong... It just seems like a really foolish thing to do unless it was obvious that it was the wife. I bet if you rewatch the episodes Rusty's performance won't reveal any nuance acting that showed he knew who the killer was the whole time. Also the whole thing about the daughter bringing up the concept of disassociation was a bit on the nose.
This is why i came here but it wasn't mentionned .. how did Rusty knew who was the killer .. i thought i missed it
I kind of agree, it’s a little foolish he immediately assumed his wife did it.
But I found it interesting that in the final episode, while in bed Rusty is wide awake and just watching Barbara sleep. Almost as if he can’t comfortably sleep beside her.
It reminded me of a past episode where Rusty does the same thing while they’re in bed, but it gives off a different tone given Rusty was the only suspect at that time. I think maybe that was one of the hints but I could be reaching.
@@eyezam I agreed and noticed this as well, we all just assumed he couldn't sleep because of the case but that's just our assumption, in reality he couldn't sleep because he suspected his wife did it. Logically it couldn't be her son cause most likely the son would have gotten the father to help him cover up the crime. Also the son wouldn't have as much in dept information on the bunny davis case as rusty's wife. Bunny Davis wasn't Carolyn's only case, so to say that her son randomly stumbled through all her cases and just happen to discover that one and be able to tie her up with surgical precision?? Loll like cmon it clearly had to be someone tied to the bunny davis case orr someone who had enough time to study the case files in dept.
Even if the wife tied up Carolyn that would have been a stretch tbh because there's no way she's gonna be able to tie her up exactly like past victims. Only Rusty would be able to tie her up like that
So the daughter drove to the victims house and then back and nobody noticed or observed? Did she use the same car as Rusty? Was this meant to be between Rusty leaving and coming back later? Im a bit confused here. In any case, the prosecution missed this and also her driving to drop off the poker.
In the scene that Barbara confesses to the kiss she had with the bartender. His angry response makes more sense with the context that he is operating under the assumption that Barbara is the killer.
thanks for covering this show man
Agree was an amazing ride and even better finish just wow🍿 personally nothing lower than a 9.3 for me
Part of me wanted it to be Barbara but it would have been even better if both kids were involved since the brother was literally captured riding his bike by Carolyn’s house that night and that either Rusty wasn’t involved at all or he came back and tied her up. But I wish they would have made it known how he knew it was someone in his family that killed her.
I did originally think that both kids were involved when they were revealing things i thought the boy killed carolyn and the daughter placed the firepoker. I think it would have been more realistic had the wife done the deed though. But for entertainment purposes i really enjoyed this and well acted and produced.
As there was one week of time for the verdict we all had our theories ready and in someway we did get disappointed.
1. Rusty coming to the conclusion that Barbara murdered Caroline in those moment of tense is something that doesn’t satisfy his narrative later. He is already shown as impulsive and what he could easily think of in that moment of tense is, the case would turn towards him and the act of tying body like Liam Reynolds did only to navigate the case towards Liam not him as he will be considered as prime suspect.
2. But major plus of the show on Rusty’s character parse is he have two things to prove one is that he is not guilty of the murder and the other not let Molto or Jury to consider Barbara at any point in the case as she might be more anguish to kill Caroline than anyone else which we also see as the story progresses. But what did the story lack is to have or build events that would lead Rusty to arrive at the conclusion that Barbara might have done it and she is trying to show by playing victim card on herself that she is still there for Rusty thought the journey even when she knew Rusty had affair with Caroline and to prove her innocence which helps to conceal her true self which might have perfectly proved why Rusty came to the conclusion that it’s Barbara like some of us did too.
Because of this, the final revelation of Jaden seemed like out of blue as her character arc is not established and to let the audience understand the motive behind her action. Barbara had enough presence to make us feel how much she had suffered which is not the same case with Jaden.
I even had suspected Molto to have played major role in killing Caroline either all by himself as he has reasons of his own and trying to set the narrative from the beginning that Rusty is the murderer or in accomplice with Barbara who shared the same feeling of hate towards Caroline.
Even with all this, Presumed Innocent is compelling series comprising of wonderful performace by Peter, Ruth, Bill and rest of the cast. Renate looks wonderful in the series even though her screen time is very less, she will definitely grab the attention.
And the showman, Jake is fantastic and gave yet another unforgettable performances of all time. Man it’s so hard to consider him either as innocent or as guilty, which is predominantly due to writing which was taken to another level by Jake.
Kudos to all the writers and directors and technicians involved in this and to have gotten opportunity to bring up season 2.
It was great show & impossible to predict Jayden!! I HUGELY appreciate that they let us know and did NOT do the trendy abrupt ending thing that feels lazy, not clever!! 🤙♥️
Personally I did not like the ending. I felt like it cheated. They planted -- very cleverly -- multiple theories across all the episodes pointing to different people. Then they conclude by saying, Nope, it was this other person, because things happened that you couldn't have know about.... I think this kind of story, to avoid cheating, needs to make the correct inference at least accessible before the big reveal. This show didn't do that, unless I missed something.
You're gonna hate 'Murder, She Wrote' lol 😅
Yea same feeling. They planted a lot of clues in the show, but no clue about the daughter. They might as well would let have Tommy’s cat be the murderer.
About in the midpoint I understood that this is one of those kind of shows where it's not possible to deduct who is a killer and random character gets revealed in the end. Great acting, but ending was terrible.
There seems to be a flaw in the plot. Why did Jayden confront Carolyn when the affair was over a year ago. How would she know that it just started up again a week ago?
Because the affair was never over lol
It was great seeing the daughter shift from trying to portray she's disgusted at the thought of her father being a murderer to regretting it immensely when it was looking like he was going to get convicted
Yea.. the ending was mid. A lot of questions to be asked:
- The lawyer woman said they hired detectives to watch Barbara having an affair with the bartender, but they never saw the daughter leaving the house with the death weapon and went to tommy’s house?
- we didn’t had any clue it could have been the daughter. The build up was to show Tommy might be the killer, but we get a random plot twist? Would have been nice to give clues in the episodes that would lead to the murder caused by the daughter..
-lastly, why was the bike photo scene so important? He drove by, Tommy even wrote “bike” in his notes, but didn’t brought it up at court? Unnecessary scene..
I think there WAS clues about the daughter. Her discussion about "doing something and thinking it was a dream", and when they talked in the garage (as they said in this video), you could SEE she had something hanging on her
There would literally be no reason to have the kids followed, but Barbara was in court with Rusty every day and as the cheated spouse she had motive.
@@Koki-hc3mw not true. If the computers were taken from the kids during the search, they are also important for this case. Especially when the daughter used Barbaras car. So in that case, you could say that the detectives would have followed Barbaras car to Tommy’s house. Just bad writing
We did had clues about both of his kids. The writer put hints all over the place. They put his son first with bat and rage, and then her daughter with her sneaking up and trying to listen the conversation. I knew either one of could be the killer since the early episode.
@@borneocoolpad7833 daughter sneaking up to listen to the convo? That’s a hint? Kids always trying to listen and want to know what’s going on. Besides that, that is a boy thing to do, to lose some anger. Especially when he found out his dad told the family about his affair.
Great way to describe Rusty and Barbara’s interaction in the very end as they both look at each other. Rusty looking at Barbara with love (and a bit of guilt) and Barbara’s look, pretending to be ok and putting a smile for her family but deep down with fear in her eyes. Like the saying goes: “Every time you forgive him, he will love you a little more but you will stop loving him. So the day he loves you the most, you will not feel anything for him anymore”. Deep stuff. I wish we got more of the good times from Rusty and Barbara. Also hope season 2 Even though it’s a new case, includes the Sabich family. I mean, the hell Rusty went through in a way shows his love for Barbara and his family. Can’t way for season 2. One last thing, I haven’t seen Ruth Negga promote the show, or her and Jake together. Wish we had more of the family cast do things together to promote season finale.
one of my favorite roles from jake gyllenhal
I just finished it this morning and all I can say is WOW!, my wife swore up and down the ending was gonna play like the movie...I told her "why would they do that?, thats too easy", towards the end they were leaning that way...THEN BOOM!!!
Unhinged in every way, especially that ending with the Thanksgiving
Amazing finale i absolutely loved this show and will miss it hurry up season 2!
season 2?
@@el_gabron yeah they announced a season 2 a couple weeks ago. It's going to be a different case.
They tied the Season up so well
I think it will be a new case but maybe the same faces
Rusty could become a defense attorney
About halfway through the episode I thought maybe it was the daughter. It seemed to focus on her but I was still surprised at the end
Her support for her father throughout the show went from wholesome to guilt ridden pretty quick.
I wasn't surprised at all. The last episode just throws all the attention on the daughter. So it was too obvious. Boring.
Accused on Hulu is an excellent anthology series with similar premise and vibes! Highly recommend!
I usually always figure out who done it but not this time. Good job to the writers!
Total twist at the end. Def thought it was the wife.
For me I thought it was the prosecutor molto.
it was great twisted ending!!! I loved it! I did watched the 90's movie, with harrison ford, so I was expecting the ending to be the same. after all Rusty and Carolyn caused everything and ruined people around them. rusty protecting his daughter is his lifetime redemption to carolyn, even this was a story, but great teaching for those who is having secret affairs outside of their significant others. again great watch!!
what 8 weeks, i binged it yesterday after stumbling into it, thankfully,. cause if i had to watched it over 8 weeks it would totally suck and i wouldnt get anything, but having binged it, i must admit i was super-glued on my chair and couldnt go to sleep before i watched it all
Jake Gyllenhaal its a psychotic person since Donnie Darko and confirmed Psychopath in Nightcrawler
This show is perfect. The acting all around, especially Bill Camp, and the the rest of the lawyers-DA office was great. Having us doubt suspects because of her being tied up was great. This wasn't just an "eliminate 1 person a week" murder show. Only time I thought the daughter was when Rusty asked her if her mom sent her in to talk, and she didn't answer. The acting was so good that it wasn't all about solving the murder to me.
Wunderbar - Thanks for recapping all the episodes.
Great show, didn’t see that coming
The Jayden twist is a bit out of left field for me but nevertheless, I enjoyed most of the season with some great acting and music
Yeah the score was incredible to listen to. It complimented the scenes so well
I always thought it was weird that she was tied up. I knew the wife did it in the book but I figured she wouldnt be able to tie her up and then kill her. It makes sense that he did it after. On the other hand the "support" from the daughter seemed a lot more guilty later in the show. Good stuff.
This series sent my anxiety to new levels, lol, it was soo good!!!!!
To me there was no foreshadowing, to the point where its obvious Jayden's behaviors prior to the trial do not make any sense.
1) In the scene where Rusty finds out about the murder, his family is sitting outside, he finds out while standing behind a patio door. His daughter does not even look at him and continues snacking on the sun lounger. Remember she had just been out in the middle of the night committing murder and cleaning up the crime scene and car.
2) The scene where Rusty tells his children he had been unfaithful. Later we find out both the children knew about this. They both leave the room looking angry at their father.
3) Jayden should be going through an internal crisis. She had only just committed murder and knew someone had been back in the house and HOG TIED the dead body.
In the original, The wife carefully planned and killed Carolyn and also left evidence behind to implicate Rusty. So it was a lot better story, showing the politics involved with the legal system and also great courtroom drama. Apple failed with all that.
False. This version shows patriarchy
@@hmmm2564 In hindsight, if you rewatch the early episodes with Jake thinking his wife is killer, his behavior makes no sense. Why would he be shocked finding out Carolyn had been killed? Why was Jayden just kicking back so casually in the backyard the day after commiting murder? Why would anyone put up with a psycho wife who killed the woman you loved and then was willing to let you get railroaded into prison for it?
It's intriguing... Rusty didn't learn anything. He remained a horrible person, doing terrible things to his family and causing them immense pain. In the end, he just covers for his daughter, leaving his wife to bear this pain as well. Rusty is content with how things turned out, decreeing that no one should ever talk about it again. This forces everyone to carry the burden of his affair and a murder in silence.
I suppose the writers wanted to show us just how awful Rusty is, corrupting everyone he comes into contact with.
I would have preferred if the daughter was consumed by guilt and confessed to her parents that she intended to turn herself in. Rusty would then realize he was responsible for the chain of events leading to the murder. It would have been compelling to see him, for once, protect his family by admitting to a crime he didn't commit, showing them he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice out of love.
Again I get that his character is ultimately a scum bag so that was never in the cards. I'm not saying I didn't like the actual ending... I didn't see if unfolding the the way it did so I guess in that regard they did a fantastic job.
Yup. A pretty genius way to still keep Rusty the narcissistic person he is, but also make him not the murderer. And he's right, it wasn't Jaden's fault really. He put her in an impossible position. Constantly going back and back and back, destroying his family over and over again. And Barbara was unwilling, or unable to leave Rusty. Which we KNOW Jaden judged Barbara for.
if the daughter was consumed by guilt and wants to turn herself in. wouldn't she then feel even more guilt if she let rusty fall for it?
@@mrruben002 Probably.
@@chrgeorgeson then she would still turn herself in no?
Eh idk I actually came away liking rusty, he was willing to put his life on the line to protect his wife/daughter. Like the court could've found him guilty very easily, he put himself in harms way.
if you haven’t watched stop reading, the daughter having no screen-time was great or we 100% all would’ve guessed reminded me so much of Seven with Kevin spacey coming out of no-where,for twist to work i think blind-siding the audience works wonders instead of cliche Screentime = Killer
They didn't even give the Victim any screen time. The audience had idea who Carolyn was and/or why there were so many people who May have wanted to harm her. They had 8 hours to tell the whole story but they still left Half of it out.
The fact that right after Carolyn’s murder trial everyone went back to their lives (Tommy watching football and cheering, the family laughing and having dinner) shows that no one really even cared about her, she was not missed. I think that implies that she wasn’t the best person lol
@@Koki-hc3mw lol
wow a season 2? I'm onboard. Let's go.
Yeah hopefully it'll be good!
@@BrainPilot Anthology is not bad imo. In fact it would good because on how they handle story plots in season 1. The fact I liked how the story went makes me want some more of this kind of genre.
Best ever clear explanation
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Rush Negga’s performance in the garbage was something else, holy cow she is beyond talented ❤
Also she was waaaaaay too good for him
I was wondering why Rusty’s daughter was more concerned with the Dad’s trial than the son, at first i thought it was the father-daughter bond only but turns out it was deeper.
Made sense at the end!
In the end, I thought rusty was confessing to Barbara and planning to frame her
This show is so underrated, it's one of the best shows I've seen in a while.
Yeah it was an incredible show!
I swear I only realized it's Rusty Sabich, and not Rusty Savage in the last episode😂
Jaden being the killer is such a poorly executed twist. At no point in the early episodes does the audience get any hints or notions that it could be her. The only clue we get is her conversation about dissociation. I have a hard time believing that this well adjusted well raised girl can suddenly commit murder out of nowhere. At what point in the earlier episodes was Jaden shown to be mentally unstable or emotionally volatile?
A good murder mystery plays fair with its audience and establishes hints that give the audience of fair opportunity to solve the mystery of themselves if they are paying attention. Aside from taking a wild shot in the dark no audience would ever be able to guess that it was the daughter based on how the character was handled.
Holy smokes, what a show! This literally made me lose interest in 'The Boys' and 'House of the Dragon'. Jake is always phenomenal, but wow, were the supporting cast, screenwriters, and directors beyond amazing! I feel like Apple has been financing some really amazing shows that people are sleeping on. Can’t wait for the second season of 'Severance' to come out! 'Presumed Innocent' literally had me on edge and feening for the next episode the whole time 😂.
Agreed about "House of the Dragon". Came out so strong and has been meandering the last two episodes, while this series got more and more intense.
Wow completely threw me off guard... in the original movie it was the wife. Was shocked when the daughter was the one who killed carolyn and rusty is guilty bc he tampered with evidence and a human corpse. Smh. Carolyn and her unborn baby didnt deserve to be murdered she needs justice... if there's a season 2 i hope they get their karma. Evil.
Thank you for this video. I’m sorry I didn’t get to see the final episode because I don’t have Apple TV anymore, can someone tell me if the daughter gets away with it? So no one is formally charged, right? Thanks,
She does get away with it; Barbara and Rusty agree to never speak again about what happened, and they just move on as a really weird “happy” family
This show reminds me of "Secrets and Lies" from 2015
Bill and Jake so damn good at chemistry they gotta be real friends 😂
They say they are brother in laws lol I believe they were showing their hatred for each other here acting instead of real life lol. That's how good the acting was.
Jake Gyllenhaal was such a convincing psychopath in "Nightcrawler", I cannot see him as anything but the villain in any other role since that masterpiece.
The show subverted my expectations at every turn. I never once suspected anyone in the family, not even Rusty because that would've been too easy/predictable. But at the end I was hoping for the twist that it was Rusty and at first I thought he was confessing. Looking back, there was a clue that he thought Barbara was the killer when he said she had a hand in all of this. It was confusing and infuriating but now makes complete sense. I was surprised but not really satisfied wth the reveal except for the part where Rusty covered up for Jaden. However, I must admit I wasn't rooting for Rusty at all. And this was probably my least favorite role for Ruth Vega. Overall, I really enjoyed the show.
Barbara be like I have only Son
For real!!! Cause how can you go back to normalcy after that 😮😮😮
I knew it was the daughter!!!
Excellent Breakdown!.. my thing is, is so, rusty just conveniently had the rope and other accessories to tie her up with? Unless, she had this material on hand.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!
Appreciate the summary, great job. A couple of things that you have to suspend (in your mind) to enjoy the ending.
1. How come Rusty's DNA wasn't on the rope he used to tie up Carolyn? Was this explained. Let me know if I missed it.
2. How a suburban girl like her going to break into Tommy's "home" not seen and NOT leave any kind of trace evidence left behind. Especially with the printed note?
Still a good movie though. I enjoyed it.
1. He was wearing gloves
2. I too think that it doesn't make sense, it's almost like they just want to be so unpredictable about the ending ,so they made the daughter to be the killer , it's a bit underwhelming/ out of the blue / forced and like ''oh.. okay... '' still like the show tho, Jake Gyllenhaal is great as always
Rusty said it was the weapon
It has a chip in it.
Im surprised they are doing a season 2
Season 2? Really?
@@timbridger4681season 2 is going to be a new story.
Season two with a whole new cast, not a continuation of this story
I deadass thought it was Carolyn’s ex husband and her son
I knew it was the daughter but had no idea Rusty helped as well.
Also people expected Rusty to turn himself in to protect his daughter but Rusty is a scumbag and will do anything to appear anything other than that. A similar show was Secrets and Lies where by the daughter did indeed do the crime and her father was on trial for it. Because he wasnt a scumbag he decided to take the fall for his daughter .
I like this change
I thought it was the mother and daughter
That’s even a bigger scumbag. Leaving his daughter out in the wild can cause more harm than him being out of prison and keeping an eye out on his daughter.
Think about for a min before you respond. Weight the pros and cons.
I expected Rusty to get angry at his daughter since he loved(obsessed) Carolyn so much. And yes cheating is wrong and you can call him a scumbag for it. but murdering a woman, a pregnant woman even, is far worse
How did you know besides a guess ? There was literally no part that shows she wasn't home or that she was angry against Carolyn. They showed a little potential among other people, but not her. Horrible writing.
I loved the show. Very well done. Although the original Presumed Innocent twist is iconic and essential . It would be as if the remade The Sixth and Bruce Willis wasn’t a ghost. However being that this was a story “ based on” the original, with new characters and altered details it was very entertaining and enjoyable.
Great series overall, however (big comma), the proverbial money-shot-reveal was less dramatic boarding on meh. I get the subliminal hints throughout the series and the usual lineup of who actually did it suspects but the aha moment was more pop-its, then firecracker.
Malto & Rusty killed it. However once Rusty represented himself and won it made the show lose value. I say that bc 9.9/10 times anyone representing themselves often lose. Ep. 1 he acts genuinely shock and distraught about Carolyn murder but then we found out he already knew about it. So why the theatrics? I don’t think this the end because something tells me Rusty DID kill her while abusing the Ritalin. Maybe a season 2 ? Who knows but overall grade (C+) they coudlve eliminated one or two episode. It dragged at times and the Volvo explanation was BS those cars are nosiest. They had the opportunity to expand more in the female characters like Carolyn instead of showing her as a s3x crazed coworker show us the amount of cases she won. Rusty lawyer was super cabals of taking over but we don’t see her talents displayed to represent Rusty ? These reasons were what made the show imo seem inconsistent. Not and but not great
This finale was outstanding! Incredible performances and such complexity!
Totally agree!
I think people with strong families had a different feeling about that ending vs others. When Rusty said “it was self defense” i found that an interest concept to consider. The affair was not innocent. It caused real pain. Can a person defend themselves from a person that threatening their mental health by actions?
The reason why rusty assumed his wife was the killer can be explained as follows... He initiatally panicked then his prosecutor mindset came in.. There was no break in.. She was lying on her back.. Soo she knew the culprit and let the person in.... If it was a past convict seeking revenge due to her prosecuting her.. Rusty would of seen signs.. Soo due to this rusty had to conclude the only person with motive and opportunity to kill was his wife.. And.... It was a calculated risk anyway rather than calling the police
I honestly thought it was the son and the mom was covering for him. (like why would she clean the bike??? and why did the bike later thrown to the trash, especially when the prosecutor circled "bike" when looking at the photos taken the night of the murder.0
Why would the son insist to his dad to plea guilty so soon into the court proceedings????
When Rusty confronted his son for why he was there that night, Barbara stood up for his son, saying Rusty needs to calm down and I should talk to him (son).
As Rusty was waiting in another room, could Barbara and his son be trying to get there story straight.
The ending left me like 😮 no you can not live like that .. noooooo
bro this show was so good.
Yeah it's definitely one of the best shows of the year!
Thorough enjoyed this show, great acting , edge of your seat thriller, had no idea it was the daughter!
Yeah it was a great twist!
Season 2 will probably be the sequel novel "Innocent". Which takes place 22 years later, with the same characters
Wasn't there a movie in the 90's called pressumed innocent with the same olot? With redford i think..is this a remake?
There was a movie with Harrison Ford!
Ive been so jaded for the past 4 years of complete shite being offered up on streaming and Hollywood in general. But ill be god damned if this show isnt one of if not the best show ive seen. The acting was chefs kiss and the story, characters and directing are superb. Absolute banger of a show 10/10
Idk if I’m happy with the ending. I’m left with more questions and concerns lol
Like the daughter is a murderer! That’s crazy. I actually thought at one point the brother did something to Carolin.
But Jake’s brother in law did amazing in his role. He definitely played the obsession to beat Jake’s character well.
Personally I was disappointed. Show was a bit dull and the final twist felt like it was done because it was the only character not hinted at in other episodes. Movie was much better in my opinion. Good cast though.
I agree nothing in previous backs up the daughter doing it.
In 8 hours only told half as much of the story as the movie did.
Ditto
So some holes in this serie:
Bike scene: Tommy wrote down “bike” in his notes, but didn’t brought it up in court? He could have spotted his son out and questioned him.
The daughter leaving fingerprints in Carolyns house, but Rusty knew she sat down etc and cleaned all here fingerprints in 51 minutes?
As a watcher their were no clues that the daughter would have done it. Yes she had weird body language and spoke about certain things, but tommy would have been a good one to choose, since he had “love” for Carolyn. Carolyns son also mentioned a “man” who she was scared of at work (with no name attached). This man would have been Tommy.
Just a thought: he is a professional district attorney. He knows how criminals make mistakes at crime scenes and could have probably totally cleansed that scene in an hour. I also remember the daughter talking about "doing something and thinking it was a dream"...that had me thinking it could be her (or her brother) a few episodes ago. In the end, I was wrong. I thought it was the wife the whole time (again, I also read the book and saw the Harrison Ford movie where this was true)
You can’t introduce new evidence or witnesses in court once it’s started, so Tommy Malton wouldve had to get approval to question Rusty’s (minor) son but then where would that lead to? He never even entered the house.
@@Koki-hc3mw sure, but the show explicitly showed him writing bike in his notes, but never brought it up. Why was this bike photo such a big deal? firstly Rusty was shocked, secondly tommy wrote it down, thirdly they tried to dump the bike. So many scenes but lead to nothing.
Ruth Negga rocks!!
Yeah she was great in this role!
thanks for the video
Whole family was at the house that night except Barbara 😂
Why didn’t Rusty bring it up with Barbara when he snapped at her about the bartender?
There's nothing better than the fabulous movie with Harrison Ford
We did not need this in 8 episodes
Then why did you watch it
I disagree completely. 8 hours gave us more detail and more drama than a two hour movie can. This was an excellent mini-series.
@@RVBOOS The movie had a much better story. This series story was ridiculous and implausable
I knew it was so obvious!!! They never give a lot of screen time to the true killer lol ‼️‼️‼️😱😱😱
The brother never got any screen time either
@@Jay42334but the brother was seen on his bike in front of her house- causing suspicion. It’s always someone no one suspects.
@@faithdomster5081 exactly
@@faithdomster5081 makes sense
Why would Carolyn tell Jay about her pregnancy when she hadn’t even told Rusty?! That part is very unrealistic
Yeah that was the one part where I felt it was a bit out of character!
I think the ending was underwhelming, it did a disservice to Tommy's characterization in my opinion. A better ending would be to have both children involved in Carolyn's murder so Kyle being there that night doesn't feel random. Instead of Jade confessing to her parents after the trial, it would've been better if she confessed before the verdict, to Tommy, with the murder weapon as evidence. Stating that she can no longer bear effects of her actions on her father. In an effort to protect his family, Rusty pleads with Tommy to not go after Jade, stating that he will plead guilty. This would put Tommy in a predicament. Should he continue going after Rusty, the person he has a personal vendetta against, or do his job as a prosecutor. In the end Rusty pleads guilty and would serve a life sentence. Nico congratulates an indifferent and apathetic Tommy, questioning whether what he had done was right or wrong, or worth the chase.