One major detail is how all this started. Jake said that Henry saw him chasing a cat and he “fell on it and it died”. So then Jake killed Henry to keep him quiet. A lot of serial killers begin by killing animals before they move up to killing people. So that’s a major clue that this kid is a true psychopath and was on his way to becoming a serial killer.
What's worse, is the so called "mother" ignored all the warning signs that were right in front of her. She was warned by the schools Jake was kicked out of, by the camp that kicked him out, but didn't listen. She's 1 of those "Oh, he's my baby, he could do no wrong. H would never do such a thing."
I don't agree... When Sargent Alvin York( A U.S. World War 1 soldier who wanted deferment from fighting to be a conscioenious objector) was asked by his commanding officer as to why he killed so many Germans in which he received the Congressional medal of honor. His reply was the same as the Doctors, because he saw how many of his own men were being killed in an almost impossible situation! In the end he was able to capture 132 German prisoners using his wits and skills, which saved their lives as well as his own men! I personally grew up knowing kids who had the tendencies that we saw in the young sociopath! They are now dead, or in prison for their notable behaviour! What was chilling, is seeing their absolute indifference as to what they did in the hurt of others. I see that same look and actions in Musk, Putin and Trump!@ @KevinMcGee-qg6hm
@@KevinMcGee-qg6hm Its not actually an oxymoron.. An oxymoron would be something like "humane slaughter", or "I did the right thing, it was a necessary evil". His statement about two different motives being different is factually accurate and not in any way contradictory. Its the equivalent of saying letting your spouse on life support die because you want the money is not a valid reason, but letting her die because it was her wishes in her will is a valid reason.
I went to high school with a kid like ‘Jake’. He would throw psychotic temper tantrums over everything. I remember once we were in English class reading passages aloud and he mispronounced a word. The teacher gently corrected him and he picked up his chair and smashed the window. The school attempted to warn his parents but they insisted he was just ‘moody.’ He ultimately killed his whole family in a rampage. He was sentenced to 30 years, and every time he was up for parole, his only surviving sister (she was away at college when the murders happened) would beg the court not to let him out. He was released after 22 years and killed two more people within six months. Now he’s in prison for life-at last. I’m all for rehabilitation, but some people are just a bad seed right out of the gate.
@@theresedavis2526 God gave us the choice to trust Him or reject Him. If He hadn’t given us a choice we would be more like robots than people, never knowing that we can choose to love or be loved. I hate to say anything bad about God, but I think He’d be wrong to force us to love Him and force us to do right. Parents who force their kids to do right are abusive. Parents who guide their kids and provide boundaries and consequences for bad choices and forgiveness are good parents. And God does provide boundaries (our conscience), consequences (like man-made prisons), and forgiveness through His Son Jesus
@@theresedavis2526 Wouldn’t God be wrong if He forced us to do the right thing? Parents who force their kids to act right are abusive. Parents who provide boundaries, consequences, and forgiveness are good parents. God doesn’t force us to do right, but He provides boundaries like our consciences, consequences like man-made prisons set up because of the sense of justice we learn from God, and forgiveness through His Son Jesus.
What's worse is that his so called "mother" knew what he was capable of, saw the red flag warning signs, was told multiple times of her son's troubled behavior, and just brushed it all off without a care in the world. Now, an infant is dead, and she and is still making excuses for his behavior.
I still wish he had been put into a safe facility because maybe Life or someone who cared could teach him and get him to repent. The Holy Spirit can do that❤️ I’ve seen it happen with abusers in my own life
@@laceandribbonsviolin Unlikely. He'd just learn to mask it better, look like what people expected him to be. Say all the right things and get them to lower their guard. Psychopathy, which is really what that clip shows, is a disorder. While not all psychopaths are killers and many are beneficial to society due to being able to look at the world objectively, the ones that are killers will never stop. There's no empathy there to stop them. They feel no love.
@laceandribbonsviolin ~ The kid was a sociopath. No amount of prayers or psychiatric counseling would have helped. His head was wired wrong from the start. If this guy didn't kill him, the kid would have killed again at some point. It's not a question if he would kill again. It was a question of when. You can't reform monsters.
@@timstoddard3707 of course they wanted him guilty it is just like school growing up. jake would be akin to the bully and the father would be akin to the victim. no one does anything about the bully but when the victim snaps and lashes back out the victim gets all the blame.
I worked with kids who were sociopaths and psychopaths in a therapeutic setting. I repeatedly said that there is no fixing these "kids". They lacked all empathy, had no fear of consequences, and enjoyed creating discomfort and pain in others. Generating a feeling of terror seemed to "excite" them or at least pique their interest. I think this episode got it right.
Due to the rate of neurodevelopment from childhood to adulthood, kids can't be diagnosed with APD - at least not officially. Instead, they are considered to be on the disruptive/impulse/conduct side of diagnoses - some of whom will go on to be diagnosed with a personality disorder later in life. I work with plenty of "Cluster B" personality disordered adults in a therapeutic setting. While they are not the "evil-geniuses" that TV makes them out to be, they are almost always manipulative, deceitful, and their refusal to ever take any responsibility can be maddening if you let them take you to the twilight-zone - where objective truths are malleable.
Pretty unbelievable to see someone with a therapeutic background talk inhumanely. I am going to hope that "worked" is past tense. The world should rejoice you're not in that role anymore. I
@@princessmoonstar6793 a lot of mothers out there that think like that unfortunately. They let their little demons run loose and once they do something like this kid act all surprised about their kid.. you knew, you were just so blinded by love you couldn’t accept it
His accusations against the camp were lies. He abused fellow campers and burned himself. The camp recommended to his mom that he needed to be institutionalized. She didn't believe them and threatened a lawsuit.
@@ninjaguyYT I have a VERY interesting question: I personally totally agree with the not guilty verdict and the grieving father getting away with what he did. However, if this was some "alternate universe" version of events where the other kid was NOT a sociopath and NOT lying about the abuse (or anything else for that matter) would people still agree with the not guilty verdict? I am not sure I would in that case.
The kid arrogantly smirking was his biggest mistake since there was no fixing that boy cause he was a true sociopath. He had dead eyes and that snide smile was chilling.
Yep. Stopped him before he could kill anyone else. Had a nerve to grin at the father too? Kid was probably planning to kill another person as they spoke.
Should’ve done a follow up episode about Dr Morton. Where he strikes other person who he deems a psychopath/sociopath, and takes matters into his own hands. It would be interesting to see how he doesn’t follow his statement to the police when he says that he wouldn’t kill again.
I honestly think this is one of Kyle MacLachlan's best performances. When he snaps "you killed my son" and when he's talking about thinking of his son crying he sells the man's pain and manipulation.
What’s brilliant about this episode is once you know he had decided to kill Jake and rewatch it you almost feel „is it overacted? Was the doctor who was so tough before identifying his murdered son laying it on thick for the police and the jury“? It’s brilliant because he brought across a potentially acting amateur that was doing so To avoid prison for his justified revenge. Also if you notice how the doctor reacts - he understands FIRST what Jake is and is relatively calm and THEN throws a fit to be brought outside
@@Starking_45Weird how? Just curious. I only saw this clip, so I'm not sure if you saw the episode or are just referring to something that happened in the clip
Yes, but we live in strange times. People have what I would consider to be irrational ideas. Cyber bullying couldn't exist when I was a kid just the old fashioned kind. It was easier to spot then. Drugs and trafficking are exponentially bigger threats now. But this old man is old school. You touch my kid, hurt my kid I will see justice is done. If my kid does wrong I will address it I won't just turn my back in disbelief. My child, my responsibility.
Plenty of treatments for sociopaths, which isn’t an accurate description of any disorder anymore. Sociopath and psychopath are a condition called “Anti-social Personality Disorder,” what you think of as a sociopath is someone with ASPD that developed over their childhood whereas what you know as a Psychopath is a physiological difference in the nervous system and the way it developed as the kid was developing in vitro. So someone who develops a condition to not express empathy properly can go through tons of therapy and treatment to develop an ability to somewhat become able to express empathy. Someone who is born with a different nervous system that makes it impossible for them to feel empathy like the typical person can also eventually develop an ability to somewhat feel empathy in a way completely different from a typical person, but it isn’t as likely as someone who developed it through nurture or lack of nurture
“Tell me one thing. When did you decide to kill Jake?” “In the courtroom, once I knew what he was. You were right. I looked around, saw the officer, realized I could take the gun. I just waited for the right moment.” “You manipulated us just like Jake did.” “There's one big difference. Jake would've killed again. I won't.”
I still sympathize with the kid through and through. It's not his fault he was born this way. Nobody asked to be born. But you can control or at least leverage how you act on your conditions-- Autism, down syndrome, ADHD, ADD, OCD etc. The kid shouldve been kept in an asylum or something before all this happened. Don't deprive a persons right to live.
@@theintrovertedaspie9095 the kid Got off! The judge let him go thats when the dr killed him. If u watch the whole episode he did fell bad for the kid until he learned the kid tried to burn & hang other kids at camp. This man's child was murdered & he knew as a shrink he was never gonna stop. His crazy mom didn't care what he was doing. Did it look like she was gonna get him help. Besides this kid was not ever going to be helped. He was a sick sociopathic murderer.
@@theintrovertedaspie9095it doesn't matter plus the dr who's son was dead by this wacko supported him. They skipped the parts where the kid tried to hang & kill other kids at camp. He burned other kids than burned himself where other kids got blamed. One kids Said he was so terrified he never slept & started pumping iron. Once the father learned that kid at best would be out of some J.d. hall at 18 he'd never stop & his mom didn't show much remorse either. Wtf was she while this lunatic was doing these things? The dr I do beleive snapped that kid smirked at him. So not sure why he was some villain. He saved so many lives. That kid was gonna get out a atarr killing only scarily as a man. Plus he would have learned more how to manipulated from his therapists. Sociopath untreatable. No meds or therapy was helping that wacko. So b/c he was born a monster he gets to kill again & again & hope he gets caught & meanwhile others lose their lives. B/c that's exactly what was gonna happen. Look at ted bundy that man escaped 3x. The cops are not very bright. They ll bust u for tickets & little things but they run from real danger. Hence texas when kids were being shot at & the cops tear gassed parents whole they rescued only their kids. The mental healthy system aux. Even if they perscribed this creep meds who's there to make him take it. Anyway that kid & the excuse " he was born this way it's not his fault " well society deserves protection & if the cops moves faster to have him tried as an adult no bail good let him.go to proson & be Mr tough guy. That kid looked way too old to be at that childs party but he was a neighbor & lured thar little boy. So sad.
We all just take a moment and congratulate Jordan Garrett on a brilliant performance. When an audience is filled with a unanimous hatred for a character you know the actor has nailed the role.
Absolutely! I just hope he didn't catch any grief over it. I remember when 'Game of Thrones' was big, the boy who played Joffrey was getting hate mail and death threats over a character he played on TV, as though he was actually out there doing those things. The world is full of crazy people.
Yep that's true, but sometimes it can end the actor's career due to how good they are at portraying evil characters, like that young king in GoT. I don't even watch that show, yet when clips of him show up randomly on my feed and watch it, I can see why viewers despise that character as he nailed it, but upon searching about the king's actor and knowing that he retired or quit due to the character he played, that's kinda sad that his career ended just because he portrayed an evil character too well.
@@TheBuzzard42 Music group = RUSSKAJA had to stop because of all the hate mails and death threath's since the invasion of Ukraine. All their songs are ANTI war, btw...........
Jake O’Hara was a pretty vile sociopath. He killed animals just for fun, he tortured those kids at the camp, he burned himself and just laughed, he was thrown out of two private schools in Brooklyn for violent behavior and arson, he fooled his mom and made her think the children tortured him and finally he kidnapped and murdered Henry. The worst part is he did all of this just for fun! Gosh! What a maniac! His comeuppance was pretty satisfying. If he had lived, he would’ve become a serial killer without a single doubt. Definitely a smart villain as he was able to make everyone think he killed Henry out of fear of going back to that camp.
@@CaesarConsuloProVita our system was originally based on morality and from there justice so there is a connection, however over the years it has devolved into a legal system where the letter of the law takes precedence over justice. Sadly this has become a necessity to keep those who enforce laws in check. A bit of a conundrum to say the least.
@@stanburk7392 Legal systems are based on creating and maintaining public order in a civilisation where disruptions impact the community. Without these considerations you can't keep the engine of society running without catastrophic failure. Morality is nothing more than a byproduct of the process.
@@dipperjc it has been known for decades. psychopaths and sociopaths are not made or created. they just are what they are. that doesn't mean that they should all be killed but it does mean that in every instance when it comes to one committing a crime the outcome is always going to present the same way.
amydecker: You should definitely watch: - The Bad Seed (black and white original is the best) - The Good Son (with young Elijah Wood and Macaulay Culkin) And the third one went right out of my head, but if I remember it, I'll post it for you. Happy viewing
@ninjaked1265 lol you can't teach someone to have little to no empathy. They either have it or the don't. You can't teach someone to not have remorse they either feel it or they don't. I should know I am part of the group.
The kid was worse than a rabid dog being put down. The sick dog has no mind left to know right and wrong; truly dangerous. The kid was in complete control, and actually enjoyed it. The actor playing the sociopath was incredible, how he pulled off those lifeless eyes and flashed that smile gave me chills
I think this happens a lot more than what people realize. I mean, the boy killing another young child. Some children are born without any empathy. They have no feelings.
Actually, he's a psychopath. Any of us could be sociopaths. We may do bad things at times but we have a conscience and a sense of empathy that constrains our deeds and enables us to carry remorse. Psychopaths have no conscience and no empathy. They feel nothing.
@@theresedavis2526 Incredibly inaccurate, psychopaths are very much capable of having emotions. There is no one size fits all, every individual has a different range of what they can feel. Sure they can be dangerous, just as much as fear mongering by spreading half truths…
@@deletekeys he is sort of right actually. psychopaths have little to no conscience or empathy though they can follow social conventions when it suits them. sociopaths have a conscience and a limited and quite weak ability to feel empathy and/or remorse. the incorrect part is lack of emotion. though many psychopaths of note typically had/have emotional problems preventing them from displaying the full range of human emotions.
@@deletekeys no those are sociopaths and narcissists. Those are both on a spectrum. Psychopathy is not on a spectrum your either born a psychopath or not.
Boy, did that kid do a great job! Should’ve won an Emmy! His eyes were so chilly and blank like a real psychopath, that although acting I would feel uncomfortable being alone with him!…Saw those eyes, and NOBODY’s home.
The ending response was so perfect that i wish there was more on the episode after that, to see what the response would be. "Jake would have killed again! I won't" is just.... perfect. Anyone who sees the situation notices that he's not a danger, jake was.
I remember watching an interview with Brian Cranston, who plays Walter White in breaking bad. The interviewer asked if he thought Walter White might be able to turn his life around. Brian simply said no there’s no redemption for him. Same applies here for this little boy.
Exactly. Bryan gave a great interview where he talks about how he was able to give the performance for Jane's death. And he said how he couldn't look down at her and not see his own daughter, so the emotions were really easy for him in that scene. I always got the feeling that was when he thought Walt was passed saving. He put himself in the characters headspace and the mere thought of what he was doing broke him completely.
Its mother like this one I can't stand either. I have seen it on a number of occasions where no matter what their son will do, those mothers be like "My son is ALWAYS right in what he does, no matter how bad it is." She will grow old now to be a bitter lady of society who will forever play the victim and dream her son would have gone on to cure cancer if he had lived.
The kids at that 'tough love' camp probably CHEERED when they heard he'd died and, if they did attend the funeral, it was not to mourn him--it was to make sure he was dead...
100% justified. Evil exists in this world, regardless of age or background. Jake was a monster. A monster who knew how to use the system, manipulate emotions, even use his own blind mother as a shield to protect him. He cared nothing for anyone but himself. The depths of sociopathy are still misunderstood, largely because humans don't want to accept that such beings, devoid of all true emotion, actually exist. The father saved countless lives but snuffing out one evil seed.
He wasn't going to insult their intelligence by lying. And it's true about Sociopaths and Psychopaths. Once they kill they will just keep doing it. Read up on "Abnormal Psychology".
@@Shogun459 I should have a degree in it from my lifetime of experience with such individuals. My ex is a diagnosed sociopath. Anyway, I got what he was doing and the writers were correct on what they do and will continue to do. Why I found that scene so powerful.
@@WillCrump-e5x, he doesn’t know that. For all he knows, another patient would enter and he sees them as psychotic, therefore takes matters into his own hands again. Seriously, I kind of wish this series did episodes like that where they follow up on characters who play vigilante, claiming that they would never kill again unlike those who do. It would be an interesting concept about how people don’t follow their own morals and can turn good people down a dark path.
@@osmanyousif7849he only killed him because he was a sociopath who murdered his son. He's not going on a rampage killing all sociopaths. That's ridiculous thing to think lmao.
haha. I was Just telling someone else to check out The Good Son, but also the original b&w version of The Bad Seed. I forgot the third one so I'll post it if I remember the title
Sometimes is so satisfying seeing the masters of the “gotcha game “ lose at their own game. Legally right doesn’t always mean morally or ethically right. That grieving father saved a bunch of people a lot of future pain.
I lived for a number of years in a small town with such a case. The then young teen murdered a much younger boy. At the time I first moved there, he was up for one of his parole attempts. He was eventually transferred to an adult prison when he got old enough. I believe that he is still serving his time, as he never won parole that I know of. I moved a few towns away a few years ago, but I have step relatives still living in that town. That murderous teen was not representative of the whole town. I liked that town, and only moved away because of health issues. My new home was a handicapped accessible apartment. I tend to agree with the character. Such people don't get well, and once found out, they should be locked up for the rest of their lives to protect the rest of us.
I don't know what your talking about. That doctor accidentally bumped into the dude, then his hand accidentally grabbed the gun, then he tripped again and the gun went off by itself. It was a complete accident.
The actor who played Jake did a super job with that character. I actually felt relief for the man that shot him. I was tortured by bullies when I was a child. I'm 62 now and remember it like it was yesterday. Unless it happens to you, you'll never understand. Never.
I understand thankfully i had my big brother who wasn’t afraid of beating on everyone. I love him to death he protected me and helped me fight back. I am 25 now but I always see my brother as much as my best friend.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I was always friends with people everyone treated badly and always stood up for them. They are people too... and wonderful people! If only someone got to know you instead of being an asshole.
@waynepolo6193 He didn't kill the boy. It was a freak accident. That doctor accidentally bumped into the dude, then his hand _accidentally_ grabbed the gun, then he _tripped_ again and the gun went off by itself. It was a complete accident.
This is a particular type of personality that watches these shows. I tried this show when I was 19. I am 41 now. First time watching it (a clip at that). I remember EXACTLY why this type of television isn’t for me ✌🏾
This is one of the best Law & Order SVU episodes and the only time I didn't feel bad that the parent who took out the kid because he was a remorseless psychopath, managed to get acquitted.🤔
What became of this child actor? He is REMARKABLY impressive. Having to channel Joffrey Baratheon energy while putting on a semi-transparent feigned innocence that only SOME of the adults can see through? PERFECT.
Copaganda. They have no duty to protect. As it says at the start of every episode for 20 seasons. "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime, and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories." Not stop, not prevent, investigate.
When a kid kills another kid in a way that is CLEARLY unhinged, premeditated and not accidental - like this - then that tells you everything you need to know about that kids mental state. Plus the fact that he literally abducted the boy AND had a cover story ready. What child does that?
@@KenMasters. that’s not the key distinction - a psychopath is born, a sociopath is made and both will show crass displays of lack of empathy and even enjoyment of suffering.
There's no real distinction between the two. Or more accurately, a person can exhibit symptoms of both, so there is no real way to diagnose them. Psychopath's aren't born. Empathy is a learned behavior.
@@alan62036 that’s absolutely contrary to what every psychiatrist I’ve heard talk about it on general media (and recently) explains it. People with transparency on where and when they got their PhD and where they practice. I’m going to go by their classification which says psychopaths are born and their brain is believed to be wired in a different way so that they cannot feel empathy
"You manipulated us, just like Jake." "The difference is Jake would have killed again. I won't." I fucking hate how snobby Stabler and the other woman are at times. Their solution would have put Jake back on the streets in a few years and he would have killed again. Legality and morality do not exist together and they are obsessed with the former with ignoring the latter. The father didnt get "away with it." He avenged his son, and will deal with God's judgement in time. Not theirs.
The cops were correct to be angry at the father for acting as judge, jury and executioner because that always sets a dangerous precedent on taking the law into one’s own hands. The father also had the right to a trial and to argue that his killing of the kid was justified and that he should not be punished. The jury agreed with him.
that's because legallity is superior to morality, morality is relative but laws aren't because they have the powers to trully punish you, but in this case both are in acord with the father
Except not really. He himself admitted to Stabler in the end that it was all an act to kill Jake and get away with it. Maybe on some level he did indeed feel that way, but his grief was a secondary motive at best.
My great grandson is 4. He is this kid to a T. VIOLENT, extreme rage spitting, biting, kicking, hitting, banging his head on the floor, kicking holes in walls, destroying his bed, closet, dresser for 10 to 25 minites at a time. All one has to do is tell him no or not give him attention when HE wants it or make him share a toy. When he came to us he had these fits every 15 minutes on average that lasted 20 minutes on average. The fits started around 7am and lasted till midnight and later. I was 69 at the time and finally sent him back to the State Agency for better professional care. The fits have lessened a bit depending on the day.the odd part is when his fits end he calmly Walks out for hugging and lap time like the fits never happened. I dont think he even remembers the fits. I fear the day he gets bigger if he doesnt change. Some poor souls will be in grave danger !
Maybe try to teach him that it is of his best interest to behave and that these outbursts will not benefit him? It’ll take time but giving up on him will just put himself or others in danger.
4:41 that’s not taking responsibility for the fact that your child has mental issues …like he unalived a child over a cat…now, I love animals but to kill someone on purpose over a cat is a bit extreme…like, the mom needs to own to the fact something is mentally wrong w/ her child…
He said he killed that kid over the fact that he saw him killing a cat, no one is saying a cat is more important than human life here, chillax...Tho this is kinda saying something about you and it's not something good...
I expected to come into this comments section to see a bunch of people defending the kid and wanting the dad to hang; "But he's a child," and all that. The fact that I'm not seeing much of that gives me hope that some sanity still exists in the world.
Yeah, because everyone knows he would have gotten out in a few years and would have killed again. The man's act protects the society. He probably saved some future people from being killed.
I'd say that in this context and the last response of the father leave no room for arguments defending the kid. clearly as the father perfectly states: "Jake would have killed again, i won't".
@kittynorville9125 psychopaths blend better. The difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is the acknowledgment of wrongdoing. A psychopath knows they are messed up but doesn't care. It's because they know they are wrong in the head that they are able to blend in. A sociopath literally cannot comprehend that their actions are wrong. They don't view others as people but nearly obstacles in their life that they can deal with how they see fit.
NYPD issue is a Glock 17. No safety, and only fools carry without a round in the chamber. This episode aired before improved retention holsters were issued. A simple thumb break is easy to defeat, which is why departments have moved away from them.
I have seen kids and adults like this. You can always see it in their eyes. Excellent manipulaters and can fake effortlessly. But they can't hide the emptiness in their eyes. But, as soon as they know that you see it, the facade drops immediately, and that is terrifying.
The acting by the teen actor was top notch When the lawyer interrupts the trial and says that Jake lied, you can see the mask melt away and instead is replaced by contempt, he is bothered because his acting was in vain. When the father speaks for the first time you can se him rolling his eyes at another nuisance. When the father is restrained you can see him amused and smug. When he apologizes you can see the kid realize the father isn't buying it and changes to a mock, once again, smug. Then he walks backwards challenging the father flaunting he got away. Finally for a split second you can see the kid realize he fucke up when he is shot.
I tend to think that the moment the bullet hit him was the first time in his life Jake felt true pain. It was mercy that he didn't deserve that it was over so quickly, but it was a moment where he finally understood his victims. His condition may not be his fault, but even psychopaths have full control over their own actions just like everyone else, even a 5-year-old without psychosis is in control of their actions. He made his choices and now the consequences have happened. It's really not a surprise that *someone* would come after him in revenge.
"They proved the boy was a sociopath, but when a man kills him for the right reasons, they turn their backs on him and try to put him in jail. Dude like seriously?
Well yeah, they had to enforce the law. The problem was the rule that once proceedings started in juvenile court they couldn't move him to adult court.
It’s a complex, complicated issue. That’s the whole point. The cops were right to be angry at the dad acting as judge, jury and executioner. That always sets a dangerous precedent. The dad had a right to trial where he also had the right to argue his killing was justified and that he should not be punished for his actions. The jury agreed with him.
You cannot fix that which does not have a soul. I dont approve of the father's actions towards that monster...but the mother should be jailed for ignoring that thng.
@@PhillipFelix-kw3zi Well, of course, as a Felix you're a relative of mine so you're exempt from suspicion. That is, suspicions be blown - I'm positive.
Kyle Mclachlan is superb in everything I have ever seen him in. He was great as Ray Manzarek in the Doors, Twin Peaks, Blue velvet, Dune, Desperate Housewives etc etc. Never saw him turn in bad work.
Love that the jury collectively said
“F**k that kid” 💀
Amen don't think because they're children they're not evil a sociopath now he acts on it he's a confirmed psychopath
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It was a good example of "jury nullification". When the jury can empathize/sympathize with the defendant enough that they won't convict.
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They deleted that saying " he's just a kid"
There was no fixing that boy he was a true sociopath. He had dead eyes and that snide smile were chilling. That young actor did a great job.
Many of them in law enforcement in real life but everyone turns a blind eye.
More like a psychopath. One is born a psychopath, but sociopaths are created by their environment.
@@AlphonseWeebay Yep!! They get off on abusing their power and they are so emboldened because their kind are in the top ranks and protect them all.
One major detail is how all this started. Jake said that Henry saw him chasing a cat and he “fell on it and it died”. So then Jake killed Henry to keep him quiet. A lot of serial killers begin by killing animals before they move up to killing people. So that’s a major clue that this kid is a true psychopath and was on his way to becoming a serial killer.
That kid was a psychopath not a sociopath
The kid arrogantly smirking was his biggest mistake
Yeah but he sure got that smile wiped off his face in the end
Kid: Ha-Ha! I'm getting away with murdering your son and you can't do anything about it!
Dad: *draws gun*
Kid: Shi- *DIES*
Yeah it was. If he was that cunning he will not show that opening. A cautious psychopath is the most dangerous.
What's worse, is the so called "mother" ignored all the warning signs that were right in front of her. She was warned by the schools Jake was kicked out of, by the camp that kicked him out, but didn't listen. She's 1 of those "Oh, he's my baby, he could do no wrong. H would never do such a thing."
@@detmstr341 as a lot of moms will......
He wasn't trying to get revenge, he was preventing future victims.
It can be both.
Kyle MacLachlan nailed that role
So, Frank Castle?
I will say he was doing both
@@The-KPKyle is a great actor! I have seen him in other shows.
His point is valid. Killing to save lives is different than killing to take lives.
Sometimes that line gets blurred sadly
@@makisbizarreadventure4669Sometimes, but not always
That's an oxymoron
I don't agree... When Sargent Alvin York( A U.S. World War 1 soldier who wanted deferment from fighting to be a conscioenious objector) was asked by his commanding officer as to why he killed so many Germans in which he received the Congressional medal of honor. His reply was the same as the Doctors, because he saw how many of his own men were being killed in an almost impossible situation! In the end he was able to capture 132 German prisoners using his wits and skills, which saved their lives as well as his own men! I personally grew up knowing kids who had the tendencies that we saw in the young sociopath! They are now dead, or in prison for their notable behaviour! What was chilling, is seeing their absolute indifference as to what they did in the hurt of others. I see that same look and actions in Musk, Putin and Trump!@ @KevinMcGee-qg6hm
@@KevinMcGee-qg6hm Its not actually an oxymoron.. An oxymoron would be something like "humane slaughter", or "I did the right thing, it was a necessary evil". His statement about two different motives being different is factually accurate and not in any way contradictory. Its the equivalent of saying letting your spouse on life support die because you want the money is not a valid reason, but letting her die because it was her wishes in her will is a valid reason.
I went to high school with a kid like ‘Jake’. He would throw psychotic temper tantrums over everything. I remember once we were in English class reading passages aloud and he mispronounced a word. The teacher gently corrected him and he picked up his chair and smashed the window. The school attempted to warn his parents but they insisted he was just ‘moody.’
He ultimately killed his whole family in a rampage. He was sentenced to 30 years, and every time he was up for parole, his only surviving sister (she was away at college when the murders happened) would beg the court not to let him out.
He was released after 22 years and killed two more people within six months.
Now he’s in prison for life-at last.
I’m all for rehabilitation, but some people are just a bad seed right out of the gate.
I completely agree … some people are just born bad.
Oh wow, I feel so sorry for all the people that lost their lives. That is so unfortunate.
@@theresedavis2526 God gave us the choice to trust Him or reject Him. If He hadn’t given us a choice we would be more like robots than people, never knowing that we can choose to love or be loved. I hate to say anything bad about God, but I think He’d be wrong to force us to love Him and force us to do right. Parents who force their kids to do right are abusive. Parents who guide their kids and provide boundaries and consequences for bad choices and forgiveness are good parents. And God does provide boundaries (our conscience), consequences (like man-made prisons), and forgiveness through His Son Jesus
@@theresedavis2526 Wouldn’t God be wrong if He forced us to do the right thing? Parents who force their kids to act right are abusive. Parents who provide boundaries, consequences, and forgiveness are good parents. God doesn’t force us to do right, but He provides boundaries like our consciences, consequences like man-made prisons set up because of the sense of justice we learn from God, and forgiveness through His Son Jesus.
Now there are a million excuses not to hold kids accountable until it's too late.
Dad had the perfect response to Stabler saying he manipulated them just like Jake. No amount of time in juvie was going to fix that demon.
What's worse is that his so called "mother" knew what he was capable of, saw the red flag warning signs, was told multiple times of her son's troubled behavior, and just brushed it all off without a care in the world. Now, an infant is dead, and she and is still making excuses for his behavior.
@@detmstr341 Facts, the mom could have prevented both the death of her son and his if she had took the advice given to her.
I still wish he had been put into a safe facility because maybe Life or someone who cared could teach him and get him to repent. The Holy Spirit can do that❤️ I’ve seen it happen with abusers in my own life
@@laceandribbonsviolin Unlikely. He'd just learn to mask it better, look like what people expected him to be. Say all the right things and get them to lower their guard. Psychopathy, which is really what that clip shows, is a disorder. While not all psychopaths are killers and many are beneficial to society due to being able to look at the world objectively, the ones that are killers will never stop. There's no empathy there to stop them. They feel no love.
@laceandribbonsviolin ~ The kid was a sociopath. No amount of prayers or psychiatric counseling would have helped. His head was wired wrong from the start. If this guy didn't kill him, the kid would have killed again at some point. It's not a question if he would kill again. It was a question of when. You can't reform monsters.
One of those rare episodes where everyone is happy the verdict was “Not guilty.”
yesssssss 😎
Real, cuz he handled that
Except the prosecution. They wanted him guilty.
@@timstoddard3707 of course they wanted him guilty it is just like school growing up. jake would be akin to the bully and the father would be akin to the victim. no one does anything about the bully but when the victim snaps and lashes back out the victim gets all the blame.
He did his big one 7:56
I worked with kids who were sociopaths and psychopaths in a therapeutic setting. I repeatedly said that there is no fixing these "kids". They lacked all empathy, had no fear of consequences, and enjoyed creating discomfort and pain in others. Generating a feeling of terror seemed to "excite" them or at least pique their interest. I think this episode got it right.
Due to the rate of neurodevelopment from childhood to adulthood, kids can't be diagnosed with APD - at least not officially. Instead, they are considered to be on the disruptive/impulse/conduct side of diagnoses - some of whom will go on to be diagnosed with a personality disorder later in life. I work with plenty of "Cluster B" personality disordered adults in a therapeutic setting. While they are not the "evil-geniuses" that TV makes them out to be, they are almost always manipulative, deceitful, and their refusal to ever take any responsibility can be maddening if you let them take you to the twilight-zone - where objective truths are malleable.
And then they grow up, develop a warped sexuality, and become serial killers.
Oh there is a form of consequence that they would fear immediate and swift injury
I’ve known several individuals with the same mindset. Some people simply can’t be…fixed. Some people are born as monsters.
Pretty unbelievable to see someone with a therapeutic background talk inhumanely. I am going to hope that "worked" is past tense. The world should rejoice you're not in that role anymore. I
That kid’s mother has no guilt about her son’s actions, which makes her just as guilty as he is!🤬
Yep! There is a huge genetic component of psychopathy.
@@princessmoonstar6793 a lot of mothers out there that think like that unfortunately. They let their little demons run loose and once they do something like this kid act all surprised about their kid.. you knew, you were just so blinded by love you couldn’t accept it
I was nearly beaten to death by bullies and thugs as a kid, the parents always defend their "Little angels"
Single mom
@@MrDewanchandNo excuse.
That boy was a good actor. That smirk- the entire role actually- he nailed it.
Looks like Baron Trump... same smirk
@@encubierto4930 Our future President
@@maclectic It makes sense that those who don't believe in democracy would want to install a King.
@@encubierto4930
I take it you passed out in a drunken stupor before you could place a period at the end of your sentence.
@@79bewareofpuppies97 . lol.
His accusations against the camp were lies. He abused fellow campers and burned himself. The camp recommended to his mom that he needed to be institutionalized. She didn't believe them and threatened a lawsuit.
I am convinced that truly awful criminality is impossible without parental help.
@@ccrisc100 How many such criminals have you known?
@@ccrisc100 Some would say that the worst of such people begin in childhood specifically because the way that they were raised.
@@mnomadvfxLook at Henry Mesner, he came from a good family, and yet became a full fledge sociopath.
@@mnomadvfxin this case, it's how he was born, not raised.
Well, Jake DID say that he would rather die than go back to the "tough love camp". Looks like he got his wish.
Yup everything seems to have been wrapped up quite neatly to everyone’s satisfaction
in the business, we call this foreshadowing
@@v0dka885not really. Characters always say they'd rather die than "X", and usually they don't die.
@@ninjaguyYT I have a VERY interesting question: I personally totally agree with the not guilty verdict and the grieving father getting away with what he did. However, if this was some "alternate universe" version of events where the other kid was NOT a sociopath and NOT lying about the abuse (or anything else for that matter) would people still agree with the not guilty verdict? I am not sure I would in that case.
@@ZurroundThe sociopath part makes *all* the difference here.
“Sorry for what happened sir. I really am.”
The fact that the mom let her son taunt the father like that make her just as complicit as he is.
Mother was probably hoping for that outcome. I've dealt with psychopaths. They start their abuse at home.
The kid arrogantly smirking was his biggest mistake since there was no fixing that boy cause he was a true sociopath. He had dead eyes and that snide smile was chilling.
Yep. Stopped him before he could kill anyone else. Had a nerve to grin at the father too? Kid was probably planning to kill another person as they spoke.
He did the world a favor
He sure did because if he didn't kill Jake, Jake would've killed again.
yes and the father was probably at the top of his list
Should’ve done a follow up episode about Dr Morton. Where he strikes other person who he deems a psychopath/sociopath, and takes matters into his own hands.
It would be interesting to see how he doesn’t follow his statement to the police when he says that he wouldn’t kill again.
@@osmanyousif7849we should've just sent Jake to live with you
I honestly think this is one of Kyle MacLachlan's best performances. When he snaps "you killed my son" and when he's talking about thinking of his son crying he sells the man's pain and manipulation.
It really is one of his best. The look on his face when he hears the truth.
Kyles an excellent actor
Have you seen Blue Velvet
@@lovepet4565In Twin Peaks The Return he essentially played 3 characters.
You should watch the second season of Agents of Shield. He is really good there too.
What’s brilliant about this episode is once you know he had decided to kill Jake and rewatch it you almost feel „is it overacted? Was the doctor who was so tough before identifying his murdered son laying it on thick for the police and the jury“? It’s brilliant because he brought across a potentially acting amateur that was doing so
To avoid prison for his justified revenge. Also if you notice how the doctor reacts - he understands FIRST what Jake is and is relatively calm and THEN throws a fit to be brought outside
I love how they try to end it playing like the father was a bad un. Nope, he did a father's duty. All day, everyday.
Yep, even if the killer was a kid.
Right? It was already a perfect story and then they had to make it all weird
@@Starking_45Weird how? Just curious. I only saw this clip, so I'm not sure if you saw the episode or are just referring to something that happened in the clip
Classify it as DSAF: Did Society A Favor.
Yes, but we live in strange times. People have what I would consider to be irrational ideas. Cyber bullying couldn't exist when I was a kid just the old fashioned kind. It was easier to spot then. Drugs and trafficking are exponentially bigger threats now. But this old man is old school. You touch my kid, hurt my kid I will see justice is done. If my kid does wrong I will address it I won't just turn my back in disbelief. My child, my responsibility.
This is one of my favorite SVU episodes. The plot, outcome, and acting were all so good, especially the killer kid. He nailed it.
He did the world a favor. Zero treatment for sociopaths.
Plenty of treatments for sociopaths, which isn’t an accurate description of any disorder anymore. Sociopath and psychopath are a condition called “Anti-social Personality Disorder,” what you think of as a sociopath is someone with ASPD that developed over their childhood whereas what you know as a Psychopath is a physiological difference in the nervous system and the way it developed as the kid was developing in vitro. So someone who develops a condition to not express empathy properly can go through tons of therapy and treatment to develop an ability to somewhat become able to express empathy. Someone who is born with a different nervous system that makes it impossible for them to feel empathy like the typical person can also eventually develop an ability to somewhat feel empathy in a way completely different from a typical person, but it isn’t as likely as someone who developed it through nurture or lack of nurture
“Tell me one thing. When did you decide to kill Jake?”
“In the courtroom, once I knew what he was. You were right. I looked around, saw the officer, realized I could take the gun. I just waited for the right moment.”
“You manipulated us just like Jake did.”
“There's one big difference. Jake would've killed again. I won't.”
This was a good episode for sure
Yeah that sounds just about like what was said in the clip we all watched, word for word. Good work 👍
Yeah we didn't need to read what we just watched.
If they got manipulated twice I'd of been like nah your allowing yourself to be manipulated
MY MAN.
Rooted for the dad. That kid was born evil & as he said " he would kill again I won't '" that man saved so many victims. Love the dr
I still sympathize with the kid through and through. It's not his fault he was born this way. Nobody asked to be born. But you can control or at least leverage how you act on your conditions-- Autism, down syndrome, ADHD, ADD, OCD etc. The kid shouldve been kept in an asylum or something before all this happened. Don't deprive a persons right to live.
@@theintrovertedaspie9095 the kid Got off! The judge let him go thats when the dr killed him. If u watch the whole episode he did fell bad for the kid until he learned the kid tried to burn & hang other kids at camp. This man's child was murdered & he knew as a shrink he was never gonna stop. His crazy mom didn't care what he was doing. Did it look like she was gonna get him help. Besides this kid was not ever going to be helped. He was a sick sociopathic murderer.
@@theintrovertedaspie9095it doesn't matter plus the dr who's son was dead by this wacko supported him. They skipped the parts where the kid tried to hang & kill other kids at camp. He burned other kids than burned himself where other kids got blamed. One kids Said he was so terrified he never slept & started pumping iron. Once the father learned that kid at best would be out of some J.d. hall at 18 he'd never stop & his mom didn't show much remorse either. Wtf was she while this lunatic was doing these things? The dr I do beleive snapped that kid smirked at him. So not sure why he was some villain. He saved so many lives. That kid was gonna get out a atarr killing only scarily as a man. Plus he would have learned more how to manipulated from his therapists. Sociopath untreatable. No meds or therapy was helping that wacko. So b/c he was born a monster he gets to kill again & again & hope he gets caught & meanwhile others lose their lives. B/c that's exactly what was gonna happen. Look at ted bundy that man escaped 3x. The cops are not very bright. They ll bust u for tickets & little things but they run from real danger. Hence texas when kids were being shot at & the cops tear gassed parents whole they rescued only their kids. The mental healthy system aux. Even if they perscribed this creep meds who's there to make him take it. Anyway that kid & the excuse " he was born this way it's not his fault " well society deserves protection & if the cops moves faster to have him tried as an adult no bail good let him.go to proson & be Mr tough guy. That kid looked way too old to be at that childs party but he was a neighbor & lured thar little boy. So sad.
@@theintrovertedaspie9095 yeah bc that "works" and there's no chance he will kill again
No Child Is Born Evil, and I come from a Long Line of Cluster Bs.
We all just take a moment and congratulate Jordan Garrett on a brilliant performance. When an audience is filled with a unanimous hatred for a character you know the actor has nailed the role.
Absolutely! I just hope he didn't catch any grief over it. I remember when 'Game of Thrones' was big, the boy who played Joffrey was getting hate mail and death threats over a character he played on TV, as though he was actually out there doing those things. The world is full of crazy people.
That's not accurate.
Just hope he's not one of those method actors.
Yep that's true, but sometimes it can end the actor's career due to how good they are at portraying evil characters, like that young king in GoT. I don't even watch that show, yet when clips of him show up randomly on my feed and watch it, I can see why viewers despise that character as he nailed it, but upon searching about the king's actor and knowing that he retired or quit due to the character he played, that's kinda sad that his career ended just because he portrayed an evil character too well.
@@TheBuzzard42 Music group = RUSSKAJA had to stop because of all the hate mails and death threath's since the invasion of Ukraine. All their songs are ANTI war, btw...........
Loved the bravery of the father. Sacrificed himself for the good of all
Jake O’Hara was a pretty vile sociopath. He killed animals just for fun, he tortured those kids at the camp, he burned himself and just laughed, he was thrown out of two private schools in Brooklyn for violent behavior and arson, he fooled his mom and made her think the children tortured him and finally he kidnapped and murdered Henry. The worst part is he did all of this just for fun! Gosh! What a maniac! His comeuppance was pretty satisfying. If he had lived, he would’ve become a serial killer without a single doubt. Definitely a smart villain as he was able to make everyone think he killed Henry out of fear of going back to that camp.
Seeing Kyle MacLachlan on the small or big screen is always a pleasure. It's like spotting a unicorn in the wild.
Absolutely.
A FANTASTIC ACTOR
He is absolutely a hidden treasure .
AGREED!!! I treasure his appearances!
❤❤❤
So true!!
Always remember: legality has nothing to do with morality. They are separate issues entirely.
Sometimes that is true…but often morality and legality do coincide.
@@CaesarConsuloProVita
our system was originally based on morality and from there justice so there is a connection, however over the years it has devolved into a legal system where the letter of the law takes precedence over justice. Sadly this has become a necessity to keep those who enforce laws in check. A bit of a conundrum to say the least.
@@stanburk7392
Legal systems are based on creating and maintaining public order in a civilisation where disruptions impact the community.
Without these considerations you can't keep the engine of society running without catastrophic failure.
Morality is nothing more than a byproduct of the process.
Morally justice was served. Most likely with other people saved
Adam said it: Morality isn't part of our legal system. It never has been. That's what wrong with it!"
I remember this episode. It opened my eyes to psychopathy and how some people are beyond redemption.
We'll never really know, will we?
@@dipperjc it has been known for decades. psychopaths and sociopaths are not made or created. they just are what they are. that doesn't mean that they should all be killed but it does mean that in every instance when it comes to one committing a crime the outcome is always going to present the same way.
amydecker: You should definitely watch:
- The Bad Seed (black and white original is the best)
- The Good Son (with young Elijah Wood and Macaulay Culkin)
And the third one went right out of my head, but if I remember it, I'll post it for you.
Happy viewing
@@jacobjordan6406wrong. Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made
@ninjaked1265 lol you can't teach someone to have little to no empathy. They either have it or the don't. You can't teach someone to not have remorse they either feel it or they don't. I should know I am part of the group.
5:32 That sly smirk is all you need to know about what goes on in that kid’s head. I have no sympathy for him. I rooted for the father the whole time.
Same here
The kid was worse than a rabid dog being put down. The sick dog has no mind left to know right and wrong; truly dangerous. The kid was in complete control, and actually enjoyed it. The actor playing the sociopath was incredible, how he pulled off those lifeless eyes and flashed that smile gave me chills
I think this happens a lot more than what people realize. I mean, the boy killing another young child. Some children are born without any empathy. They have no feelings.
Classic case of a Psychopath
Psychopaths have feelings, just not empathy
Well we all born without empathy, it's actually an "ability" that we learn as part of our right emotional growth and development
@@TabathaTMartinyou mean psychopath
@@Diego-hd6py Yeah, i messed up the comment
5:53 “He’s a sociopath. He will kill again.”
And, he was right.
Actually, he's a psychopath. Any of us could be sociopaths. We may do bad things at times but we have a conscience and a sense of empathy that constrains our deeds and enables us to carry remorse. Psychopaths have no conscience and no empathy. They feel nothing.
@@theresedavis2526 Incredibly inaccurate, psychopaths are very much capable of having emotions. There is no one size fits all, every individual has a different range of what they can feel.
Sure they can be dangerous, just as much as fear mongering by spreading half truths…
@@deletekeys he is sort of right actually. psychopaths have little to no conscience or empathy though they can follow social conventions when it suits them. sociopaths have a conscience and a limited and quite weak ability to feel empathy and/or remorse. the incorrect part is lack of emotion. though many psychopaths of note typically had/have emotional problems preventing them from displaying the full range of human emotions.
@@deletekeys no those are sociopaths and narcissists. Those are both on a spectrum. Psychopathy is not on a spectrum your either born a psychopath or not.
He lied that he wouldn’t kill again . He joined vault tech afterwards and plotted human experiments and manipulated his daughter Lucy.
He blew up Shady Sands.
😂😂😂😂
Wait, what?
@@DraycoVideo Fall Out lol
@@snafuthegreatOBJECTION!!! IT WAS IN SELF DEFENSE YOUR HONOR!!!
Boy, did that kid do a great job! Should’ve won an Emmy! His eyes were so chilly and blank like a real psychopath, that although acting I would feel uncomfortable being alone with him!…Saw those eyes, and NOBODY’s home.
I'm with the Father 100%. Especially how he rectified the situation.❤And what he said at the end.
The ending response was so perfect that i wish there was more on the episode after that, to see what the response would be.
"Jake would have killed again! I won't" is just.... perfect. Anyone who sees the situation notices that he's not a danger, jake was.
I remember watching an interview with Brian Cranston, who plays Walter White in breaking bad. The interviewer asked if he thought Walter White might be able to turn his life around. Brian simply said no there’s no redemption for him. Same applies here for this little boy.
Exactly. Bryan gave a great interview where he talks about how he was able to give the performance for Jane's death. And he said how he couldn't look down at her and not see his own daughter, so the emotions were really easy for him in that scene. I always got the feeling that was when he thought Walt was passed saving. He put himself in the characters headspace and the mere thought of what he was doing broke him completely.
Both Bryan and the boy did a great job acting as these characters
Its mother like this one I can't stand either. I have seen it on a number of occasions where no matter what their son will do, those mothers be like "My son is ALWAYS right in what he does, no matter how bad it is." She will grow old now to be a bitter lady of society who will forever play the victim and dream her son would have gone on to cure cancer if he had lived.
This is true...
*parents. With mothers like this, there’s always a father who is either exactly the same or, almost worse, doesn’t care at all.
Geez, what a spine-chilling performance by Kyle MacLachlan! What a beast of an actor!
The kids at that 'tough love' camp probably CHEERED when they heard he'd died and, if they did attend the funeral, it was not to mourn him--it was to make sure he was dead...
Oh yeh that kid is a serious monster
100% justified. Evil exists in this world, regardless of age or background. Jake was a monster. A monster who knew how to use the system, manipulate emotions, even use his own blind mother as a shield to protect him. He cared nothing for anyone but himself. The depths of sociopathy are still misunderstood, largely because humans don't want to accept that such beings, devoid of all true emotion, actually exist. The father saved countless lives but snuffing out one evil seed.
Great episode. The father's statement at the end when asked if he did it intentionally was, wow.
But unlike that psychopathic pre-adolescent, he won't kill again.
He wasn't going to insult their intelligence by lying.
And it's true about Sociopaths and Psychopaths. Once they kill they will just keep doing it. Read up on "Abnormal Psychology".
@@Shogun459 I should have a degree in it from my lifetime of experience with such individuals. My ex is a diagnosed sociopath. Anyway, I got what he was doing and the writers were correct on what they do and will continue to do. Why I found that scene so powerful.
@@WillCrump-e5x, he doesn’t know that. For all he knows, another patient would enter and he sees them as psychotic, therefore takes matters into his own hands again.
Seriously, I kind of wish this series did episodes like that where they follow up on characters who play vigilante, claiming that they would never kill again unlike those who do. It would be an interesting concept about how people don’t follow their own morals and can turn good people down a dark path.
@@osmanyousif7849he only killed him because he was a sociopath who murdered his son. He's not going on a rampage killing all sociopaths. That's ridiculous thing to think lmao.
Henry Evans played by Macauley Culkin from "The Good Son" was the ultimate sociopathic boy ever but Jake O'Hare is differently in second place.
Yes!!!! I felt that too
Yeah, I still remember that movie all these years later. It was chilling. Cliff scene was heart wrenching.
I loved that film, we rented the vhs and we didn't have a vcr so I recorded the audio by cassette tape lol
haha. I was Just telling someone else to check out The Good Son, but also the original b&w version of The Bad Seed.
I forgot the third one so I'll post it if I remember the title
@LA_HA I love the original bad seed! So good and that little girl was creepy!!
Sometimes is so satisfying seeing the masters of the “gotcha game “ lose at their own game. Legally right doesn’t always mean morally or ethically right. That grieving father saved a bunch of people a lot of future pain.
Kyle MacLachlan is such a great actor. I never saw this episode but the clips from this make me want to watch the whole thing.
I don't know why but the way the kid in the beginning says "I'm right here stop yelling" always cracks me up, something about the tone of his voice 🤣
That's because all kids hate when we call them lol
And that obnoxious kid drew his mother's attention and allowed the killer to act. He should be investigated as an accessory to the crime😂😂😂
He sounds real
@@brt5273That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard
I lived for a number of years in a small town with such a case. The then young teen murdered a much younger boy. At the time I first moved there, he was up for one of his parole attempts. He was eventually transferred to an adult prison when he got old enough. I believe that he is still serving his time, as he never won parole that I know of. I moved a few towns away a few years ago, but I have step relatives still living in that town. That murderous teen was not representative of the whole town. I liked that town, and only moved away because of health issues. My new home was a handicapped accessible apartment. I tend to agree with the character. Such people don't get well, and once found out, they should be locked up for the rest of their lives to protect the rest of us.
Nice essay, a whole lot of words to say nothing
Ignore the sarcastic BS reply to your comment.
A man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do.
I don't know what your talking about. That doctor accidentally bumped into the dude, then his hand accidentally grabbed the gun, then he tripped again and the gun went off by itself. It was a complete accident.
Most memorable episode of the show in my view. The ending was perfect. And the kid who played Jake was really talented.
This episode was epic. And sorry I was glad his plan worked in the end. People like that ( sociopaths) even kids , will never get better.
The actor who played Jake did a super job with that character. I actually felt relief for the man that shot him. I was tortured by bullies when I was a child.
I'm 62 now and remember it like it was yesterday.
Unless it happens to you, you'll never understand.
Never.
I understand thankfully i had my big brother who wasn’t afraid of beating on everyone. I love him to death he protected me and helped me fight back. I am 25 now but I always see my brother as much as my best friend.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I was always friends with people everyone treated badly and always stood up for them. They are people too... and wonderful people! If only someone got to know you instead of being an asshole.
Unlike Jake, the father will never kill again. He doesn't have to. He's not a psychopath like Jake.
Literally what he says around 9:30
Lmfao. That’s why he said it
@waynepolo6193 He didn't kill the boy. It was a freak accident. That doctor accidentally bumped into the dude, then his hand _accidentally_ grabbed the gun, then he _tripped_ again and the gun went off by itself. It was a complete accident.
@@foolslayer9416 I’m sure you’re trolling, but why are you trolling _me?_ I just commented with a timestamp
That child actor did an excellent job of playing a child psychopath. Right down to the unconvincing tears and "remorse".
That smile that kid had...that was eerie as heck, that was a future serial killer.
he's killed someone before
This is a particular type of personality that watches these shows. I tried this show when I was 19. I am 41 now. First time watching it (a clip at that). I remember EXACTLY why this type of television isn’t for me ✌🏾
Kid tried pulling a Michael Myers 😂😂
Nearly did......because even in prison.....they can find their way back out.
That smirk. That’s what sealed his fate.
It’s one of those kids with “that” haircut…..
Yeah, I know- at best, Toni Tennille! At worst, Moe Howard!😂
@@jeannehall6546 lol
I believe that haircut is called, "the child actor"
That No Country ForvOld Men guy?
@@marymitchell8625 it all started with a haircut
This is one of the best Law & Order SVU episodes and the only time I didn't feel bad that the parent who took out the kid because he was a remorseless psychopath, managed to get acquitted.🤔
5:11 god his face… He was like “Man, they got me..”, unbelievable
What became of this child actor? He is REMARKABLY impressive. Having to channel Joffrey Baratheon energy while putting on a semi-transparent feigned innocence that only SOME of the adults can see through? PERFECT.
He looks like Barron.
Jordan Garrett is still acting on Broadway in NYC, but hasn't done much more TV acting.
One of my favorite episodes of SVU!!! One of the few times I ever empathized with the killer at the end.
Same here. That kid was a stone cold monster and had to be stopped.
@@ebonylady another one of the best episodes was “Authority” with Robin Williams
That kid was a good actor. Scary good.
Serves Jake’s mom right for being in denial and not doing anything.
Father did what any father would do. Got justice for his son and saved many more lives in doing so.
Father did the world a service
It's true. Some kids are truly evil. Demons in kid bodies. Scary.
People, not just kids.
@@mikkilewis5312yes, but we're watching a video specifically about an evil kid.
The mother should be held accountable to, it’s obvious that she had never set any boundaries for her son.
Which is why people need to stop making kid deaths so dramatic. It happens and you never know when its actually warranted. Context is key
@@beemillo4741Many of them don't.
Justice was served because this is a show.
Copaganda. They have no duty to protect. As it says at the start of every episode for 20 seasons. "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime, and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories." Not stop, not prevent, investigate.
When a kid kills another kid in a way that is CLEARLY unhinged, premeditated and not accidental - like this - then that tells you everything you need to know about that kids mental state.
Plus the fact that he literally abducted the boy AND had a cover story ready. What child does that?
Jake’s mother is totally in denial like a lot of those evil children’s parents.
No tears, that's no right. I think that kid hurt himself at the camp.
Yeah he did I saw this full episode
He did and he hurt the other campers too
I believe they confused sociopathic and psychopathic here. The child killing a cat and then a boy is more consistent with a psychopath
Psychopaths are aware of their own actions,
while sociopaths will never stop even if it is evil.
@@KenMasters. that’s not the key distinction - a psychopath is born, a sociopath is made and both will show crass displays of lack of empathy and even enjoyment of suffering.
There's no real distinction between the two. Or more accurately, a person can exhibit symptoms of both, so there is no real way to diagnose them. Psychopath's aren't born. Empathy is a learned behavior.
@@alan62036 that’s absolutely contrary to what every psychiatrist I’ve heard talk about it on general media (and recently) explains it. People with transparency on where and when they got their PhD and where they practice. I’m going to go by their classification which says psychopaths are born and their brain is believed to be wired in a different way so that they cannot feel empathy
@@alan62036 Incorrect.
"You manipulated us, just like Jake."
"The difference is Jake would have killed again. I won't."
I fucking hate how snobby Stabler and the other woman are at times. Their solution would have put Jake back on the streets in a few years and he would have killed again. Legality and morality do not exist together and they are obsessed with the former with ignoring the latter.
The father didnt get "away with it." He avenged his son, and will deal with God's judgement in time. Not theirs.
I think Olivia is definitely more snobbish and always knows what's best
The cops were correct to be angry at the father for acting as judge, jury and executioner because that always sets a dangerous precedent on taking the law into one’s own hands.
The father also had the right to a trial and to argue that his killing of the kid was justified and that he should not be punished. The jury agreed with him.
that's because legallity is superior to morality, morality is relative but laws aren't because they have the powers to trully punish you, but in this case both are in acord with the father
the one thing I wonder is... Is he really not going to kill again?
@@androsram641 he has zero reason to.
“I wasn’t thinking as a psychiatrist. I was thinking as a grieving father.” That’s coming deep from his soul.
Except not really. He himself admitted to Stabler in the end that it was all an act to kill Jake and get away with it. Maybe on some level he did indeed feel that way, but his grief was a secondary motive at best.
My great grandson is 4. He is this kid to a T. VIOLENT, extreme rage spitting, biting, kicking, hitting, banging his head on the floor, kicking
holes in walls, destroying his bed, closet, dresser for 10 to 25 minites
at a time. All one has to do is tell him no or not give him attention when HE wants it or make him share a toy. When he came to us he
had these fits every 15 minutes on average that lasted 20 minutes on
average. The fits started around 7am and lasted till midnight and
later. I was 69 at the time and finally sent him back to the State Agency for better professional care. The fits have lessened a bit depending on the day.the odd part is when his fits end he calmly
Walks out for hugging and lap time like the fits never happened.
I dont think he even remembers the fits. I fear the day he gets bigger
if he doesnt change. Some poor souls will be in grave danger !
Maybe try to teach him that it is of his best interest to behave and that these outbursts will not benefit him? It’ll take time but giving up on him will just put himself or others in danger.
4:41 that’s not taking responsibility for the fact that your child has mental issues …like he unalived a child over a cat…now, I love animals but to kill someone on purpose over a cat is a bit extreme…like, the mom needs to own to the fact something is mentally wrong w/ her child…
He said he killed that kid over the fact that he saw him killing a cat, no one is saying a cat is more important than human life here, chillax...Tho this is kinda saying something about you and it's not something good...
unalived is not a word
My cat is more important than human life. @@_Amarin
unalived is like Orwelliean 1984 speech
@@maxsiemens304 doubleplus good comment
What do we do when a child is already a monster? This was well played and heart rending. He really sold it. So. What do we do?
I expected to come into this comments section to see a bunch of people defending the kid and wanting the dad to hang; "But he's a child," and all that. The fact that I'm not seeing much of that gives me hope that some sanity still exists in the world.
Yeah, because everyone knows he would have gotten out in a few years and would have killed again. The man's act protects the society. He probably saved some future people from being killed.
I'd say that in this context and the last response of the father leave no room for arguments defending the kid. clearly as the father perfectly states: "Jake would have killed again, i won't".
That "child" was the devil
Plus, he wasn't a sociopath he was a psychopath.
@@freedomwriter1995which one can do a better job of blending in with normal people?
@@kittynorville9125 psychopaths.
@kittynorville9125 psychopaths blend better. The difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is the acknowledgment of wrongdoing. A psychopath knows they are messed up but doesn't care. It's because they know they are wrong in the head that they are able to blend in.
A sociopath literally cannot comprehend that their actions are wrong. They don't view others as people but nearly obstacles in their life that they can deal with how they see fit.
He not a Devil 😮😮😮
Best episode ever. It's the only one I've never forgotten.
That kid who played Jake…what a great Actor!!! Nailed the role!!!
He SO had it coming
Sidearm safety off, racked, and unstrapped? Most realistic cop in television
NYPD issue is a Glock 17. No safety, and only fools carry without a round in the chamber.
This episode aired before improved retention holsters were issued. A simple thumb break is easy to defeat, which is why departments have moved away from them.
@@shastamccoy7777 you're referring to the OP, yes?
Cops aren't that smart
@@shastamccoy7777 Original Poster
You don't know what you're talking about.
I have seen kids and adults like this. You can always see it in their eyes. Excellent manipulaters and can fake effortlessly. But they can't hide the emptiness in their eyes. But, as soon as they know that you see it, the facade drops immediately, and that is terrifying.
The acting by the teen actor was top notch
When the lawyer interrupts the trial and says that Jake lied, you can see the mask melt away and instead is replaced by contempt, he is bothered because his acting was in vain.
When the father speaks for the first time you can se him rolling his eyes at another nuisance.
When the father is restrained you can see him amused and smug.
When he apologizes you can see the kid realize the father isn't buying it and changes to a mock, once again, smug.
Then he walks backwards challenging the father flaunting he got away.
Finally for a split second you can see the kid realize he fucke up when he is shot.
That lawyer at the end. 👊
Yes! Not guilty.
Now that’s a lawyer! 👊
This clip was the reason why I decided to bingewatch Law and Order SVU in Netflix
I thought 💭 this was on Hulu
@@12roses8 Yeah. But this season is available in Netflix
MacLachlan was super in the original Dune and in Twin Peaks. It's always a treat to have him show up in a movie.
3:39 He said he fell on it and it died that's one of the most and maybe even the most ridiculous excuse I heard
I tend to think that the moment the bullet hit him was the first time in his life Jake felt true pain. It was mercy that he didn't deserve that it was over so quickly, but it was a moment where he finally understood his victims.
His condition may not be his fault, but even psychopaths have full control over their own actions just like everyone else, even a 5-year-old without psychosis is in control of their actions. He made his choices and now the consequences have happened. It's really not a surprise that *someone* would come after him in revenge.
The father was basically Gary Plauche.
That’s interesting to read
I was just trying to remember that guys name after I saw this video.
The Legend
"They proved the boy was a sociopath, but when a man kills him for the right reasons, they turn their backs on him and try to put him in jail. Dude like seriously?
Well yeah, they had to enforce the law. The problem was the rule that once proceedings started in juvenile court they couldn't move him to adult court.
It’s a complex, complicated issue. That’s the whole point.
The cops were right to be angry at the dad acting as judge, jury and executioner. That always sets a dangerous precedent.
The dad had a right to trial where he also had the right to argue his killing was justified and that he should not be punished for his actions. The jury agreed with him.
A psychopath and a sociopath are two different things but are intertwined in this
8:43 She was so sure he was going to found guilty & afterwards her expression changed.
"You're the smartest person i know. But youre too dumb to believe...that the jury was NOT by your side when you shot that kid."
Great show! Touch every situation, hit every nerve, exposed all emotions.
You cannot fix that which does not have a soul. I dont approve of the father's actions towards that monster...but the mother should be jailed for ignoring that thng.
She would have kept ignoring the problem and making excuses for him until the day she died.
@@freedomwriter1995 yep, they even sometimes even help cover stuff up
@@freedomwriter1995 or he killer her.
@@HisNameIsEL cough, Gabby Petito case, cough cough
Yep! Definitely a situation where I don't approve of the father's actions, but understand why he did it.
That's not a sociopath.... that's a psychopath!
A sociopath is arguably worse than a psychopath
@@WestMidlandstrainspotting they’re the same thing.
Beware those overly polite, soft voiced kids.
Im polite and soft spoken and not a murderer.
@@PhillipFelix-kw3zi Well, of course, as a Felix you're a relative of mine so you're exempt from suspicion. That is, suspicions be blown - I'm positive.
@@richardw3470 indeed, there are many of us out here. Felix is strong in body and mine and we usually save rather than destroy.
Wild comment lmao
There’s a difference between a killer and someone who kills. This is a textbook example of that difference
Kyle Mclachlan is superb in everything I have ever seen him in. He was great as Ray Manzarek in the Doors, Twin Peaks, Blue velvet, Dune, Desperate Housewives etc etc. Never saw him turn in bad work.
Remember this old joke?
"The system works""