The fact they still blamed Agnes for the girls going to jail is baffling to me. Even the school staff barely did anything to help her when she went to them about the bullying. In the end, Goes to show that the beautiful and popular will always get the sympathy over being just a kind and decent human being in society it seems.
@@JabamiLain Before reading these comments, I thought the episode would just end with the three blonde bullies in jail. But I didn't expect another murder to follow and have a dead and pig blood scene. I thought Agnes would finally get the peace and the happy ending she deserved and not have another bully come into play only to be killed by Agnes herself!
@@JabamiLain Here’s my input. I don’t think they deserve to die. Teenagers typically have a need to fit in. Sometimes they do anything to get that. Those three girls clearly had at least a majority of that school wrapped around their finger the same way cult leaders do if one of those students were willing to write that message. Does that excuse bullying Agnes? No. Does that excuse Agnes killing someone? No. That shouldn’t have been a last resort for her. But no was willing to help her because of those three’s influence. They all broke her. Hopefully those students will come to realize that those girls were monsters & Agnes was the true victim
@@nickerskine6326 bullying causes extreme psychological harm that drives some to kill themselves. the lucky ones get help before they do. so, yes, they most likey HAVE "done anything like that before"
fun fact: the original "mean girls" movie was based on a book called "queen bee" that documented how teenage girls use social aggression to jockey for status (versus physical aggression for boys). when two boys have beef, they punch each other until one of them comes out on top. when two girls have beef, they steal boyfriends, start rumors, turn friends against each other and psychologically torture each other.
@@innag6888 I don’t even know if it would’ve stopped then to be honest with you. Maybe it would’ve for Agnes, but when you look at the kind of people who run for Congress these days, and I am convinced that this is exactly what they were like in high school. It’s like they took who they were in school and brought it to Washington.
@@antmagor oh 100% that it's happening in the wider world. for agnes though, she could have gotten out of hs and found a larger group of people and found a niche that would accept her as she is. hs is a huge constraint and small space that u can't get out of when in hs (if that makes sense). same thing happened to me as to agnes except i wasn't overweight, just different and (more to the point) NOT WEALTHY among a predominantly Jewish hs with wealthy jews. they used to mock us for where we lived - me, my sis, my entire nuclear family. now, as adults, the area is undergoing gentrification and the jewish orgs have attempted to disinherit us and get our property. i had to fight them in court. i'm still fighting. but this time i'm winning.
It’s one of those episodes where the outcome has no happy ending so to speak. Like the Robin Williams episode where he got away and you don’t know what happened to him.
This was such a heartbreaking episode, though you feel more sorry for Agnes, the girl who was bullied, than for Emily, the murder victim and her actual bully.
Emily was a self entitled brat who deserved what she got at the hands of her equally contemptuous 'friends'. I find it befittingly amusing that they eventually implode over something as trivial as stealing an ex boyfriend. Remorse should be considered ill spent on someone like Emily, along with the hope that her former compatriots would come to see the error of their ways.
Unlike those girls, I think Agnes actually has a viable defense. Diminished capacity. Simply put, you can’t constantly harass a person constantly backing them into a corner and expect them not to fight back. Eventually, they snap. Obviously not an excuse for murder, however, it is a mitigating factor as the defendant is not in reasonable control of their mental faculties. Also, the fact that the effort to harass, Agnes was clearly coordinated. That also serves as a mitigating factor. I can’t remember if law and order trial by jury was on at the time, but it would’ve made a great crossover episode to follow up on Agnes’s case.
@@JA268I had two bullies who touched on that. I got back at them just in time before the abuse got any worse, and received help from people to make sure the most insistent one wouldn't get ideas. I hope this story gives you some faith.
The worst part was that the school knew about it and did absolutely nothing about it. Such a sad episode yet I loved it when Novak pointed out that the killer was wearing the victim’s ring which solidified the guilty charge.
Public schools" we won't tolerate bullying." Also public schools when a kid gets bullied. " Well we cant prove there's anything going on, kids will be kids! 🙄🙄"
“Did you see Agnes today?” “She’s kind of hard to miss.” Wow. The fact that she thought that Olivia didn’t know anything about the bullying or wouldn’t notice that she was commenting on Agnes’s figure is so appalling. She really thought that nasty little comment about Agnes’s weight would fly over Benson’s head.
This episode is based on the murder of Shanda Sharer. The saddest and most ridiculous thing is that she was killed over petty, teenage, high school bullshit drama.
The school and the police were to blame here. Agnes was a victim of harassment and bullying. And nobody did anything. She had no help until she snapped.
No offense, But the hurtful truth is There's not much schools CAN do. ALL they can do is suspend Em or expel Em. I Mean, they cant Smack them/the bully's Upon the Head with a Big Wrench or a Base-Ball bat. As If Any teacher or principal or whatever DID do that, well then they'd lose their Job and also, go to prison for assault. The school system it SUCKS. That's all i can Say. Im sorry But its True and the Truth Hurts.
The fact it was all over petty high school drama that would have been irrelevant after like two years is not even insane....because stuff like this still happens
Stereotypical popular girls picking on a fat-shamed girl; one friend steals the ringleader’s boyfriend; she murders that girl, then lies about everything with proofless rumors and later in court, throws everyone under the bus to save her own pitiful, deplorable, selfish self. Only to be murdered by the girl they bullied in the first place. Knowing all that, the bullying could’ve been avoided if those rich parents had listened to the bullied student and the school’s complaints, but still, the discrimination could’ve kept going on, if Agnes hadn’t been driven my the ‘eye for an eye’ revenge. How’s that for irony?
Actually, not only is bullying and cyber bullying are real issues, but a trait that the murderer had was that Brittney stole Emily’s high school ring; a form of having a trophy once the girl was murdered. I know the bullying wasn’t looked more into, but the murdered raised a few eyebrows. Some murder cases, even school shootings cases, being bullied is a motivator to commit a violent act because no one did anything to stop that bullying. It wasn’t that people were unstable, but the thought of people doing the bullying believed that they could get off Scott free and without consequences or think about their comeuppance later on in their lives. Every action has a reaction. In this case, it’s the consequences that that Brittney and Emily didn’t think about for their actions
Episodes like this make me glad I was out of school before online bullying became a thing. The bullying that was a thing when I was in school was bad enough.
When I was in high school, I had in school bullying AND online bullying happen to me. I’m glad I didn’t go to college, cause I knew it was only gonna be worse for me.
I experienced bullying in high school. Online bullying was kind of in its infancy and I didn't have a cell phone (small town, small friend group) so I didn't have much of an online presence.
No one is ever safe from online harassment and bullying regardless of age. People over the age of thirty might not experience it as frequently as teenagers and those who are in their twenties, but it still happens.
@@jamelramseur true. But i can't stand the defense theory. Andrea and Paige were neither forced nor threatened by Britanny. They Just stood there and did nothing to stop her.
As someone was bullied all the way through my school life because I have Autism, it hurts and does damage to your mental health badly like I am now with University (no bullies at university thank goodness.) My parents always told me to tell them immediately, but one day when I was 14yrs old I couldn't take it and wanted to end my life. But my parents helped me through it and the bullying started to become less as I was getting into my final years of high school. Now as a medical science student I am taking a break from university because of my mental health and seeing a therapist to get my confidence back. You know what what I found even more weird is that the people that bully you at school, years later down the track they are not in a good place with still trying to live those teenage years of their lives. Bullying is wrong, but I am grateful that my parents and NDIS support network is helping me through it.
The last bit is weird but satisfyingly true. My bully tried his hardest to isolate me and make people think I was a delinquent for two years before he shut up and vanished even though he still lived on my street. Years later, I’m in college with a steady job and he’s got a record of domestic violence and restraining orders on him. HA!
@@yujinyi6099 Sorry, pal, but Karma is BULLSHIT. In 9 out of 10 cases, good things DON'T happen to good people. The bullied self-harm, isolate themselves from the rest of society, become social wrecks with crippling low self-esteem, or they take their own lives, whilst the bullies become CEOs, movie stars, supermodels, writers, broadcasters, supreme court justices and even Presidents.
@@rawyld You two are both living in a Disney movie fairytale. I question whether either of you were the actual victims rather than the bullies because in the REAL WORLD, the victims more often than not see their entire lives ruined for good, and GENUINE bullies don't care and continue to hurt others on their way to the top.
1:02 why do they always say every student is well liked, but then turn out to have something shady, like bullying ? Are they that disconnected ? Or do they try to keep appearances ?
@@JabamiLain Yeah, especially since they're manipulative. And I guess, like Angelica Pickles, when they were kids, they were goddamn spoiled, and they used their cuteness to make their parents total pushovers.
ooh they know they are bullies, but the teachers and administrators want to fit in with the "cool kids". perhaps bc they were never cool kids themselves. it's beyond pathetic. the adults see everything and know exactly what's going on and do nothing about it ... except bully the already bullied kid.
This was a really good catch on Novak’s behalf because it just incriminated all of them and got them sent to prison. They mentioned that the verdict only took 15 minutes.
I had two bullies who touched on my Asperger. I got back at them just in time before the abuse got any worse, and received help from people to make sure the most insistent one wouldn't get ideas. I hope this story gives people here some faith.
Yeah same thing for me even though my parents never told me that I had Autism. When I was in Year I wanted to end it, but my parents helped me through it and now I am at university studying medicine. The bullies are probably doing so badly now as they are trying to relieve those high school life. I do seek help with therapy and now taking a break from uni for 6mths as my mental health/anxiety hasn't;t been great.
@@rawyld I get it man. Life ain’t all that cool. Nobody really belongs here but we gotta do our best cause nobody truly knows if at the end there’s nothing at all forever. Zilch. The lights turn off.
All of those girls including the victim were such awful little sh*ts. I mean, they were all known bullies of the school who made everyone who they deemed were less than them's lives a living hell. It's only when Emily realized that she was fair game too that she tried to get away from Brittany and the others, just to be kidnapped and viciously murdered by the girls she thought were her friends.😡😡🤬🤬 I'm not shedding away tears for Emily. She was a bully just like the rest of them.😒😒 I do feel really sorry for Agnes though. Even after they went to jail, she was just bullied by some other popular bully b*tch until she finally snapped. As a victim of childhood bullying myself, I sympathize with her.😔😔 Now she's going to jail, probably for the rest of her life, her father lost his only daughter and her brother lost his little sister.😢😢 God, I so happy that I'm out of high school.
i hope that agnes gets a good lawyer who can argue self-defense/mitigating circumstances to get her a reduced sentence. if she takes a plea deal she could get as little as 2 years. i also don't feel sorry for emily. i've lived with girls like that, the 3 of them were friends coming into the freshman year and they made quick work of chasing me out of the dorm. fortunately the RA let me move to another dorm that had an open spot. not 3 months later one of them was knocking on my door in tears because once i left, the other two turned on her next. when people live their lives as predators, someone's always going to end up the prey.
@@dietotaku I'm sorry you experienced this. Your example reminds me of a 2000 film called 'Loser', except in that case the bratty bullies and their roommate target were male.
@@davidbailey6917 i mean I like the college days better they were more of my type no bullying no cyberbully or getting stuffed into the locker I’m just glad I’m done with high school I graduated 7 years ago
I remember a bunch of kids pushing me down the stairs once idk why they just did i almost broke my back idk why bullies think there victims are made of steal its like they don't see us as people
They don't. Some are sociopaths, some have urges they don't bother to keep in check, and others want to vent frustrations on the world in general. If you ever must help a bullying victim, remember to tell them to figure out the motivations, so the best course of action can be decided upon.
Yeah I was once slapped in the face in Year 7 all she said to me was "don't talk to my brother like that!" I didn't know who here brother was and she just slapped me no reason. I cried very hard that day and told my parents. But now years later I am at unversity studying medicine and boy if the bullies could see me now, their mouths would dropped.
Did anyone else notice that the same cop that was present when they arrested Troy(agnes brother) and Agnes? The same one who believed he was just another violent troublemaker for standing up to her sisters bully and was also saying it was a "shame" how that stupid senior student had been murdered even after seeing what that girl had done with the dead pig on agnes locker. Agnes was right. It was never going to end
Brittany: They killed Emily I’m a bystander all of this I’m innocent Andrea & Paige: Liar you killed Emily all by yourself we never wanted to hurt Emily The girls yelled and shouted at each other Detective: Enough this cannot go unpunished there will be consequences for your actions
No way Agnes is going to jail for this! They can claim for insanity while commiting the crime, can't they? She was driven to madness! She was being blamed based on proofless rumors! She had nothing to do with Emily's to begin with! Come on, give me something to work with!
@@cadespencer6320 Yeah, that's true. And the fact she's been trying to get a restraining order from another one, meaning she was trying to avoid her and not fight her.
@@racheldisk4812 Yeah but the girl she killed didn't have anything to do with that. The one who took the picture was in court and the one she was trying to get a restraining order on was the dead girl.
@loveGG3 But she WAS the one doing the pig thing, you can easily connect all three people to.shiw that Agnes was a victim of constant bullying no matter who it was. Especislly if they bring up how inappropriate pictures of her were shared among the students, and how the school KNEW about all of this but decided to leave her to the wolves.
I wouldn't be surprised if Agnes spent the rest of her life as a recluse if she ever got out of jail. Who can blame her? The people who she trusted & called friends turned on her, tormented her, and got others to bully her. That being said, I do hope she'll find good people, or some happiness in her life. I sincerely hope that those that took part in bullying her regret it for the rest of her lives. And I hope those three girls can live with the fact that they tortured a girl to the point that she murdered someone
The character I felt most sorry for the first time watching this episode was Agnes! Granted she shouldn’t have killed that girl, but if I was a DA I’d be lenient if possible and hope she’d be able to live a good life after prison. Also that cop who said it was, “a shame,” that the senior who Agnes killed gave me weird vibes!
@@rachelmills5774 similar rumors have come up about Diane after her appearances on other shows as well. Obviously, I do not personally know anybody involved but the scuttlebutt is that she’s difficult to work with.
Is it bad that I don't feel bad for Emily? Not saying that she deserved it but I just have no sympathy for bullies In reality I don't believe a lot of them change. Sure some might regret their actions when their older and maybe even apologise but most don't. And victims like Agnes will always remember the humiliation
I think I saw that guy from 2:42 who played the father here from an episode of Cold Case where he also had an overweight daughter in that episode.She was the victim of the week and that episode and the cops had to figure out who killed her a number of months afterwards.
@@jamiemartin1434 oooh I never watched Cold Case much when it was airing and now I wanna check that episode out. so many of these crime shows were in conversation w one another back then
fat people are hated for being fat. even in the workplace... several studies have shown fat people are more likely to be passed up for promotions, be paid less than their skinny peers, and overly criticized for their work. as teenagers, amplify it due to the much smaller pool of people to interact with. even if people stopped explicitly blaming agnes for the murders and jail time, she was always going to be followed by whispers & hushed tones. when people isolated her, they'd blame it on not wanting her to drag them into a similar mess. it happens to fat adults, it happens to fat kids. society hates fat people just for being fat and existing near them. it's awful.
I know they don't mention this or touch upon it, but we all do know that Brittany would've been hit with charges concerning CP for taking those photos of Agnes and spreading them around (and this includes those who have received the images, they would've gotten possession charges smacked on them). That would've been the perfect way of getting back at her, systematically ruining her life with the possibility of being put on 'The Registry', cause she thought it would be funny to take photos of another kid while they're changing in the school locker room. Finally, I am a fan of bloody retribution (Agnes killing that last bully is cathartic), but it wasn't the best option for Agnes. The bullying should've stopped when the Discount Mean Girls were sent to prison (while Emily is a victim, she ain't no saint), but people (especially self-conscious teens and tweens) find it easier to join the crowd instead of being rebels of the social food chain. This episode, despite being fantastic in showing how toxic bullying is in the school systems and the inability of school admins and staff to stamp down on it; it's ending left a bad taste in my mouth for how quickly they ended it with Agnes' arrest, they could've done a small continuation of it later on.
@all_about_margaux her so called "friends" Paige, Andrea, and Brittany. The "Why?", Emily was dating Brittany's boyfriend (a grown man, to be specific).
I really hate that they waited for the idiot mom to leave before confronting that girl about the pictures she took of Agnes. She and the father needed to see what their daughter was really like. And on that point, where were the two girls’ parents when they were selling each other out in court when Casey called the one girl out on the ring? And when the verdict came in? We really needed to see these parents getting slapped in the face with reality.
Poor Agnes… She didn’t deserve ANY of this, and I don’t blame her for what she did at the end ngl And if there’s one thing that I hate out of ANYTHING in this stupid age, it’s BULLIES 😤😤😤
This is one of my favorite episodes, but I feel like the ending just shines a light on how fat people are treated. The creators couldn’t even let Agnes have any peace in the end; she had to be turned into a murderer which is going to increase the shaming she already faces. Really shows the implicit bias of people in general.. imo
It’s a universal problem, so will likely never change. I lived in Paris after gaining the freshman 15 (up to a size 8) and was told to go on a diet (by a nun) and jog the baby weight off. I’ve been a swizzle stick ever since. I’ll take a restrictive diet over mean comments any day.
@@mangohaeppchen3447 That’s so sad. Restrictive is just as bad at over eating, but I will say I understand.. I’ve started losing weight for health reasons and it’s definitely made people treat me better.
@@JabamiLain I’m sure this is savage in your native language (or to a schizophrenic) - I’m not pressed over how thin I am. All it means when you try to be rude is that you deserve every rude comment you receive in life.
@@alexandriaNicolee1I had a similar situation, I lost a decent amount of weight when I started working on my feet, but I kept wearing my old clothes (didn’t realize how much weight I had lost), until finally someone pointed it out and I got clothes that fit. Literally overnight almost everyone treated me differently- better. They were friendlier to me, guys that wouldn’t even look at me tried to flirt with me and ask me out, people came to help me when I was getting overwhelmed from how busy the store was, hell, they even started giving me more hours. The whole thing made my skin crawl. Like…I was the exact same person before they noticed I’d lost weight. It was literally just the way I looked that made people treat me better. It almost made me want to quit, being around so many shallow people, but it was one of the best paying jobs in the tiny town I lived in.
I can relate to Agnes. When I was growing up, I got picked on all the time AND beat up. When it got physical, I'd fight back. You know who got in trouble? The kids who were picking on me? Nope. I was because i was hitting everyone and screaming at them to leave me alone. The staff/bus driver apparently never saw or heard them, but they saw and heard me. I remember one time I got in trouble for someone hitting me and he hit me, too. I told the bus driver this and he had the audacity to say, "after you hit him." They didn't see how he was literally poking me until it hurt and saying horrible things to me to make me upset because they thought it was funny. Nope. They saw me hit him so he'd stop and they saw him hit me afterwards. Another time, this girl attacked me in the bathroom randomly and started scratching my face and I was screaming and crying at her to stop, but she didn't, so i pushed her away and left the bathroom crying and she ran ahead of me crying and told the teacher that i was the one who attacked HER. I walked in with scratch marks all over my face, but they didn't ask me about them. They just reprimanded me. The bullying actually stopped in high school for some reason. I don't condone what Agnes did and I wouldn't have done the same thing, but I do understand what was she was going through and understood why she snapped.
Arielle Kebbel has the market cornered on those All-American (read: white) girl roles who may or may not be, in the words of Britney Spears, not so innocent. It also helps that shes a great actor, as we see here.
Andrea: You cant do whatever you want. that sounds funny coming from an entitled highschool brat that bullied someone else due to her appearance and steals from one her "so called friends" after another one of her "so called friends" brutally kills her and she whitness the whole ordeal.
I went to both private and public school and it was so bad at both schools and none of my teachers did anything about it. But my parents helped me get through it.
This was at least partially based on a local case here that became well known, that of Shanda Sharer. We've had so very many heartbreaking examples of bullying , not to mention the untold cost to adult survivors, and yet we seem to have learned nothing.
5:39 takes one to recognize the other, I suppose. If it's true, and some of those bullies were nicer when children, I have to wonder how different midia like "Kingdom Hearts" would look like if set in real life, where the power of friendship is weaker.
The bigger girl should only get 2 years in a mental institution with 5 year’s probation….she was tortured for years and she snapped. Totally justified. But the real world doesn’t work like that.
This episode is based on the murder of 12-year-old Shanda Sharer in January 1991. She was brutally tortured and murdered by 4 girls in Indiana because she was seeing the girlfriend of the ringleader Melinda Loveless.
This is base on a real case , I watch a show called killer kids and a bunch of girls killed one of their friends like that only they found the girl in the woods . it was sad
Why do the judges in this show so many leeway to the defense, but never to the prosecutors?? When Novak was going to prove a point, the judge was like “get to it, Miss Novak”, but when the defense does something like this, the judge is like take all the time you need.
Agnes says they used to be friends. If friends could mutate grotesquely into these freaks, I have to wonder what some of those anime characters who go on about the power of friendship end up as. I have to ask if friendship is even a real concept anymore. What do you people think ?
Either something happen to those girls that made them change that Agnes is unaware of, or they were hiding their true selves until the right moment came (And some people are good at hiding how they really are). If they were really her friends they would have never done what they did. Hell, if they were decent people that didn't want to be her friend anymore, they could've distance themselves without humiliating & bullying her. I do think friendship is a real thing that exists. I think sometimes its hard for some people to find it.
@@alphagirl5212my concept of what is real and what isn't is based on how long it lasts. Friendship isn't an exception. I think I had/have friendships, but introverted as I am, I'm unable to be sure. Also, why would they wait years to show their rotten cores ?
@@JabamiLainLike I mentioned, some people are good at hiding their real selves. Maybe they don't realize that themselves until they get the opportunity. That's my theory.
Friendship tends to be a shallow concept for kids. As a preteen, friendship was mainly about who I sat with at lunch and who played with me on the playground. I didn't really get substantial friendships until halfway through highschool. Maybe Agnes and the rest were friends but merely good classmates. Once they reached puberty, Britney decided Agnes was cramping her style and moved on. It could also be that Britney just tolerated her but Agnes saw the friendship as something deeper which would make sense given how othered Agnes has been.
@@anikabeauty547 but aren't there children who you grow up with who genuinely try to maintain the friendship ? More importantly, when do you realize that a friendship may actually mean something to you ?
There is a bully here that posted after you. They said that it was only a few years of the victims' lives and that the victims probably don't remember their name. 🙄🤦♂
@@maureenmeagher6415 Sure. They were out in a few years, probably less than that on appeal, and married as trophy wives to rich prep school douchebags.
Didn't you already do this one ? This one was brutal. Even more than when Sunny pushed Mari downstairs. I can't wait for the mods to come out. Sometimes, I wonder what happens after a crime's resolution. If the small world those victims are in will care enough to do adjustments.
Brittany's a bone-fide psychopath: Sadistic, manipulative, a compulsive liar, short temper and a complete lack of empathy. All of her group was rotten, but she was one level worse.
I liked this ep until the end. Turning Agnes into a killer ruined it for me. A bigger victory for her would of been for her to rally the students against bullies. Instead she gets to go to jail.
but that's not reality; you're talking about a disney movie. HOW could an outcast like agnes, who arguably disappoints her own father, rally anyone?? what a ton of pressure to put on a kid who is already being bullied. bullying messes with peoples' minds (especially kids. but agnes will get leniency at least.
That's not how it works in the real world, everybody hated Agnes before so why would it change after? Being traumatized doesn't make you suddenly a rebel leader or something it instead has you traumatized. Let alone the school had already made it clear they didn't care what the kids did to Agnes.
@@innag6888 Wow! I made my comment before I even saw yours, and you're spot-on. Funny how we both see Disney movies as the ultimate example of wish-fulfilment fantasy (i.e. nonsense).
@@GregOrCreg it's one of the things I dislike about "Kingdom Hearts". Too much wish fulfillment there. The cast is too babied for being part Disney, and they get away with their mistakes too easily. I still think you were harsh on that other comment, but I can see your point.
I feel a lot worse for Agnes and her family than any of the girls, including Emily. Like what kind of psychotic behaviour…these girls were peak insane 💀
The fact they still blamed Agnes for the girls going to jail is baffling to me. Even the school staff barely did anything to help her when she went to them about the bullying. In the end, Goes to show that the beautiful and popular will always get the sympathy over being just a kind and decent human being in society it seems.
Do you think those people deserve the same harshness ? To be killed too ? Or do you think Agnes went too far ?
@jabamilai. Personally I'm a fan of retribution
@@JabamiLain Before reading these comments, I thought the episode would just end with the three blonde bullies in jail. But I didn't expect another murder to follow and have a dead and pig blood scene. I thought Agnes would finally get the peace and the happy ending she deserved and not have another bully come into play only to be killed by Agnes herself!
@@davidbailey6917do you think Agnes was right to kill her too ? I want to say yes, but I want to let someone else convince me murder is still wrong.
@@JabamiLain Here’s my input. I don’t think they deserve to die. Teenagers typically have a need to fit in. Sometimes they do anything to get that. Those three girls clearly had at least a majority of that school wrapped around their finger the same way cult leaders do if one of those students were willing to write that message. Does that excuse bullying Agnes? No. Does that excuse Agnes killing someone? No. That shouldn’t have been a last resort for her. But no was willing to help her because of those three’s influence. They all broke her. Hopefully those students will come to realize that those girls were monsters & Agnes was the true victim
These girls weren't just bullies, they were monsters.
I fail to see the difference between the most. Sure, some bullies aren't, but most...
most of the bullies I've had in the past have never done anything like that before.
@@nickerskine6326 bullying causes extreme psychological harm that drives some to kill themselves. the lucky ones get help before they do. so, yes, they most likey HAVE "done anything like that before"
@@nickerskine6326let's hope they evolved for the better.
@@JabamiLain i'm pretty sure most of them have. though i can think of a few people who devolved into something worse.
Those girls took “mean girls” to a whole other level
fun fact: the original "mean girls" movie was based on a book called "queen bee" that documented how teenage girls use social aggression to jockey for status (versus physical aggression for boys). when two boys have beef, they punch each other until one of them comes out on top. when two girls have beef, they steal boyfriends, start rumors, turn friends against each other and psychologically torture each other.
@@dietotaku Yeah but they don’t kill though
Mean girls but r-rated and somebody gets the gurney or stays till they get Alzheimer’s. I guess.
Yea they are evil
Amorajennings 🧑🚒🧑⚖️👮
I never forgot those last words, “it was never gonna stop”.
except it would have stopped when she got out of hs. but she was already so damaged by that point.
@@innag6888 I don’t even know if it would’ve stopped then to be honest with you. Maybe it would’ve for Agnes, but when you look at the kind of people who run for Congress these days, and I am convinced that this is exactly what they were like in high school. It’s like they took who they were in school and brought it to Washington.
@@antmagor oh 100% that it's happening in the wider world. for agnes though, she could have gotten out of hs and found a larger group of people and found a niche that would accept her as she is. hs is a huge constraint and small space that u can't get out of when in hs (if that makes sense). same thing happened to me as to agnes except i wasn't overweight, just different and (more to the point) NOT WEALTHY among a predominantly Jewish hs with wealthy jews. they used to mock us for where we lived - me, my sis, my entire nuclear family. now, as adults, the area is undergoing gentrification and the jewish orgs have attempted to disinherit us and get our property. i had to fight them in court. i'm still fighting. but this time i'm winning.
It’s one of those episodes where the outcome has no happy ending so to speak. Like the Robin Williams episode where he got away and you don’t know what happened to him.
Me neither ❤😢
This was such a heartbreaking episode, though you feel more sorry for Agnes, the girl who was bullied, than for Emily, the murder victim and her actual bully.
Emily was a self entitled brat who deserved what she got at the hands of her equally contemptuous 'friends'. I find it befittingly amusing that they eventually implode over something as trivial as stealing an ex boyfriend. Remorse should be considered ill spent on someone like Emily, along with the hope that her former compatriots would come to see the error of their ways.
Unlike those girls, I think Agnes actually has a viable defense. Diminished capacity. Simply put, you can’t constantly harass a person constantly backing them into a corner and expect them not to fight back. Eventually, they snap. Obviously not an excuse for murder, however, it is a mitigating factor as the defendant is not in reasonable control of their mental faculties. Also, the fact that the effort to harass, Agnes was clearly coordinated. That also serves as a mitigating factor. I can’t remember if law and order trial by jury was on at the time, but it would’ve made a great crossover episode to follow up on Agnes’s case.
Indeed, as her brother pointed out, no one made any effort to stop! Take it from someone who was teased for being on "the spectrum" - me.
@@JA268I had two bullies who touched on that. I got back at them just in time before the abuse got any worse, and received help from people to make sure the most insistent one wouldn't get ideas.
I hope this story gives you some faith.
The worst part was that the school knew about it and did absolutely nothing about it. Such a sad episode yet I loved it when Novak pointed out that the killer was wearing the victim’s ring which solidified the guilty charge.
Public schools" we won't tolerate bullying."
Also public schools when a kid gets bullied. " Well we cant prove there's anything going on, kids will be kids! 🙄🙄"
When it’s the popular kids the schools ALWAYS side with them.
@@khaotictrash exactly.
I went to both public and private school and none of my schools did anything about it.
@@khaotictrash wrong
@@rawyld just remind them of Federal Law, Title IX
“Did you see Agnes today?”
“She’s kind of hard to miss.”
Wow. The fact that she thought that Olivia didn’t know anything about the bullying or wouldn’t notice that she was commenting on Agnes’s figure is so appalling. She really thought that nasty little comment about Agnes’s weight would fly over Benson’s head.
More like she didn't care and saw no reason to filter what she said.
@@ShadowSkyX maybe Britany thought Olivia was unaware of what She did
This episode is based on the murder of Shanda Sharer. The saddest and most ridiculous thing is that she was killed over petty, teenage, high school bullshit drama.
I remember that case. From what I remember, Shanda was murdered because one of her killers thought she was stealing her ex.
I just happened to look it up and one of her killers is talking with Dr. Phil.
Lesson of the story: Don't be a bully or you'll get what's coming to you 😊
What’s more horrifying is that it wasn’t even high school, it was MIDDLE school drama. Shanda was only 12 years old.
@@curassavica 🎯
The school and the police were to blame here. Agnes was a victim of harassment and bullying. And nobody did anything.
She had no help until she snapped.
School staff: "How dare you stand up to your bullies!"
No offense, But the hurtful truth is There's not much schools CAN do. ALL they can do is suspend Em or expel Em. I Mean, they cant Smack them/the bully's Upon the Head with a Big Wrench or a Base-Ball bat. As If Any teacher or principal or whatever DID do that, well then they'd lose their Job and also, go to prison for assault. The school system it SUCKS. That's all i can Say. Im sorry But its True and the Truth Hurts.
@@seanmager1168wrong. Schools can do a lot more than just tell a student not to bully. In this case nothing was done.
@@seanmager1168 The reputation of the school is more important than the welfare of the staff and the students.
The fact it was all over petty high school drama that would have been irrelevant after like two years is not even insane....because stuff like this still happens
@@sayadiva123 Lets also not forget that they pretty much dragged an innocent girl down with them, and traumatized that whole school.
Law & Order tackling bullying in school is a real treat sometimes.
Stereotypical popular girls picking on a fat-shamed girl; one friend steals the ringleader’s boyfriend; she murders that girl, then lies about everything with proofless rumors and later in court, throws everyone under the bus to save her own pitiful, deplorable, selfish self. Only to be murdered by the girl they bullied in the first place. Knowing all that, the bullying could’ve been avoided if those rich parents had listened to the bullied student and the school’s complaints, but still, the discrimination could’ve kept going on, if Agnes hadn’t been driven my the ‘eye for an eye’ revenge. How’s that for irony?
Actually, not only is bullying and cyber bullying are real issues, but a trait that the murderer had was that Brittney stole Emily’s high school ring; a form of having a trophy once the girl was murdered. I know the bullying wasn’t looked more into, but the murdered raised a few eyebrows. Some murder cases, even school shootings cases, being bullied is a motivator to commit a violent act because no one did anything to stop that bullying. It wasn’t that people were unstable, but the thought of people doing the bullying believed that they could get off Scott free and without consequences or think about their comeuppance later on in their lives.
Every action has a reaction. In this case, it’s the consequences that that Brittney and Emily didn’t think about for their actions
Episodes like this make me glad I was out of school before online bullying became a thing. The bullying that was a thing when I was in school was bad enough.
You can say that again.
When I was in high school, I had in school bullying AND online bullying happen to me. I’m glad I didn’t go to college, cause I knew it was only gonna be worse for me.
I experienced bullying in high school. Online bullying was kind of in its infancy and I didn't have a cell phone (small town, small friend group) so I didn't have much of an online presence.
No one is ever safe from online harassment and bullying regardless of age. People over the age of thirty might not experience it as frequently as teenagers and those who are in their twenties, but it still happens.
Great catch by Novak on the birthstone bit.
That was my favorite part
Pure brilliance by Novak. Dumb af on the girl's part.
And Andrea tried to cover it up after it was mentioned.
She seems to be on some sort of vendetta.
@@jamelramseur true. But i can't stand the defense theory.
Andrea and Paige were neither forced nor threatened by Britanny. They Just stood there and did nothing to stop her.
As someone was bullied all the way through my school life because I have Autism, it hurts and does damage to your mental health badly like I am now with University (no bullies at university thank goodness.) My parents always told me to tell them immediately, but one day when I was 14yrs old I couldn't take it and wanted to end my life. But my parents helped me through it and the bullying started to become less as I was getting into my final years of high school. Now as a medical science student I am taking a break from university because of my mental health and seeing a therapist to get my confidence back.
You know what what I found even more weird is that the people that bully you at school, years later down the track they are not in a good place with still trying to live those teenage years of their lives. Bullying is wrong, but I am grateful that my parents and NDIS support network is helping me through it.
The last bit is weird but satisfyingly true. My bully tried his hardest to isolate me and make people think I was a delinquent for two years before he shut up and vanished even though he still lived on my street. Years later, I’m in college with a steady job and he’s got a record of domestic violence and restraining orders on him. HA!
@@yujinyi6099 Yeah it will get them back years later.
@@yujinyi6099 Sorry, pal, but Karma is BULLSHIT. In 9 out of 10 cases, good things DON'T happen to good people. The bullied self-harm, isolate themselves from the rest of society, become social wrecks with crippling low self-esteem, or they take their own lives, whilst the bullies become CEOs, movie stars, supermodels, writers, broadcasters, supreme court justices and even Presidents.
@@rawyld You two are both living in a Disney movie fairytale. I question whether either of you were the actual victims rather than the bullies because in the REAL WORLD, the victims more often than not see their entire lives ruined for good, and GENUINE bullies don't care and continue to hurt others on their way to the top.
@@GregOrCreg that's harsh.
"that you killed Emily because she stole your boyfriend. oh, and that you're nuts." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Badass.
Boy, did her reaction to what they said fit the bill perfectly 😂😂
Agnes was the real victim here.
1:02 why do they always say every student is well liked, but then turn out to have something shady, like bullying ? Are they that disconnected ? Or do they try to keep appearances ?
I think it's a combination of both.
@@ChrisCosatit's disgusting and harmful.
@@JabamiLain Yeah, especially since they're manipulative. And I guess, like Angelica Pickles, when they were kids, they were goddamn spoiled, and they used their cuteness to make their parents total pushovers.
@@JA268I hope I never do that to my kids, or be victim of that.
ooh they know they are bullies, but the teachers and administrators want to fit in with the "cool kids". perhaps bc they were never cool kids themselves. it's beyond pathetic. the adults see everything and know exactly what's going on and do nothing about it ... except bully the already bullied kid.
"Britney went crazy!!" delivered in the same tone of "You can't sit with us!"
9:06
You can see the gears turning before she goes "Paige gave it to me!"
Their poor defense attorneys...
I thought it was hilarious
This was a really good catch on Novak’s behalf because it just incriminated all of them and got them sent to prison. They mentioned that the verdict only took 15 minutes.
I had two bullies who touched on my Asperger. I got back at them just in time before the abuse got any worse, and received help from people to make sure the most insistent one wouldn't get ideas.
I hope this story gives people here some faith.
Yeah same thing for me even though my parents never told me that I had Autism. When I was in Year I wanted to end it, but my parents helped me through it and now I am at university studying medicine. The bullies are probably doing so badly now as they are trying to relieve those high school life. I do seek help with therapy and now taking a break from uni for 6mths as my mental health/anxiety hasn't;t been great.
@@rawyldsending support here. You're not alone.
@@JabamiLain Thanks
@@rawyld I get it man. Life ain’t all that cool. Nobody really belongs here but we gotta do our best cause nobody truly knows if at the end there’s nothing at all forever. Zilch. The lights turn off.
@@nosetooth8712 Exactly, we have to find our tribe.
All of those girls including the victim were such awful little sh*ts. I mean, they were all known bullies of the school who made everyone who they deemed were less than them's lives a living hell.
It's only when Emily realized that she was fair game too that she tried to get away from Brittany and the others, just to be kidnapped and viciously murdered by the girls she thought were her friends.😡😡🤬🤬
I'm not shedding away tears for Emily. She was a bully just like the rest of them.😒😒 I do feel really sorry for Agnes though. Even after they went to jail, she was just bullied by some other popular bully b*tch until she finally snapped. As a victim of childhood bullying myself, I sympathize with her.😔😔
Now she's going to jail, probably for the rest of her life, her father lost his only daughter and her brother lost his little sister.😢😢
God, I so happy that I'm out of high school.
i hope that agnes gets a good lawyer who can argue self-defense/mitigating circumstances to get her a reduced sentence. if she takes a plea deal she could get as little as 2 years.
i also don't feel sorry for emily. i've lived with girls like that, the 3 of them were friends coming into the freshman year and they made quick work of chasing me out of the dorm. fortunately the RA let me move to another dorm that had an open spot. not 3 months later one of them was knocking on my door in tears because once i left, the other two turned on her next. when people live their lives as predators, someone's always going to end up the prey.
@@dietotaku I'm sorry you experienced this. Your example reminds me of a 2000 film called 'Loser', except in that case the bratty bullies and their roommate target were male.
Thank god I am to
I could never be any more happy about the fact that I was in a better high school where none of these ever happened!
@@davidbailey6917 i mean I like the college days better they were more of my type no bullying no cyberbully or getting stuffed into the locker I’m just glad I’m done with high school I graduated 7 years ago
Lol at AJ Soprano being in this episode 😂
Carmine Jr was also married to Charmaine in an episode.
I thought he looked familiar!!
Just a group bullies who happened to be “friends” and ended up screwing themselves over.
I remember a bunch of kids pushing me down the stairs once idk why they just did i almost broke my back idk why bullies think there victims are made of steal its like they don't see us as people
They don't. Some are sociopaths, some have urges they don't bother to keep in check, and others want to vent frustrations on the world in general. If you ever must help a bullying victim, remember to tell them to figure out the motivations, so the best course of action can be decided upon.
Yeah I was once slapped in the face in Year 7 all she said to me was "don't talk to my brother like that!" I didn't know who here brother was and she just slapped me no reason. I cried very hard that day and told my parents.
But now years later I am at unversity studying medicine and boy if the bullies could see me now, their mouths would dropped.
they don't think victims are made of steel. but you are absolutely correct that they don't see their victims as people
@@innag6888 Yeah they think of us as someone to make themselves feel good.
Agnes is the biggest victim of bullying she doesn't deserve to go to jail!
Did anyone else notice that the same cop that was present when they arrested Troy(agnes brother) and Agnes? The same one who believed he was just another violent troublemaker for standing up to her sisters bully and was also saying it was a "shame" how that stupid senior student had been murdered even after seeing what that girl had done with the dead pig on agnes locker. Agnes was right. It was never going to end
I love this episode. One of my favorites. Plus, I love Olivia's outbursts.
Brittany: They killed Emily I’m a bystander all of this I’m innocent
Andrea & Paige: Liar you killed Emily all by yourself we never wanted to hurt Emily
The girls yelled and shouted at each other
Detective: Enough this cannot go unpunished there will be consequences for your actions
DID NONE OF THESE KIDS EVER WATCH CARRIE?
Guess not.
Carrie was the first thing that came to mind after seeing the dead pig and pig blood bit!!
I don't think bullies ever understand that they are the characters in movies and books that nobody likes and roots for their demise
No way Agnes is going to jail for this! They can claim for insanity while commiting the crime, can't they? She was driven to madness! She was being blamed based on proofless rumors! She had nothing to do with Emily's to begin with! Come on, give me something to work with!
they have the graffiti written in pigs blood, the dead pig, the naked picture of agnes one of the bullys took without her knowledge
@@cadespencer6320 Yeah, that's true. And the fact she's been trying to get a restraining order from another one, meaning she was trying to avoid her and not fight her.
@@racheldisk4812 Yeah but the girl she killed didn't have anything to do with that. The one who took the picture was in court and the one she was trying to get a restraining order on was the dead girl.
@loveGG3 But she WAS the one doing the pig thing, you can easily connect all three people to.shiw that Agnes was a victim of constant bullying no matter who it was. Especislly if they bring up how inappropriate pictures of her were shared among the students, and how the school KNEW about all of this but decided to leave her to the wolves.
I wouldn't be surprised if Agnes spent the rest of her life as a recluse if she ever got out of jail. Who can blame her? The people who she trusted & called friends turned on her, tormented her, and got others to bully her. That being said, I do hope she'll find good people, or some happiness in her life. I sincerely hope that those that took part in bullying her regret it for the rest of her lives. And I hope those three girls can live with the fact that they tortured a girl to the point that she murdered someone
The character I felt most sorry for the first time watching this episode was Agnes! Granted she shouldn’t have killed that girl, but if I was a DA I’d be lenient if possible and hope she’d be able to live a good life after prison. Also that cop who said it was, “a shame,” that the senior who Agnes killed gave me weird vibes!
One of Casey Novak’s standing ovation scenes. I am sad we’ll never see her onscreen again given the BTS issues she had with Mariska.
What sort of issues did she have? They didn't get along offset?
@@nikkiej.5875 no they did not.
@@nightwingman666 That sucks. I had no idea.
I thought it is more like the actress who played Casey has some issues that would make it undesierable to have her come back.
@@rachelmills5774 similar rumors have come up about Diane after her appearances on other shows as well. Obviously, I do not personally know anybody involved but the scuttlebutt is that she’s difficult to work with.
As much as I hated school school especially bullies teachers and my peers I dont blame Agnes at all. Bullying is an anger hatred developer
Is it bad that I don't feel bad for Emily? Not saying that she deserved it but I just have no sympathy for bullies
In reality I don't believe a lot of them change. Sure some might regret their actions when their older and maybe even apologise but most don't. And victims like Agnes will always remember the humiliation
No.
Well this should teach us to choose our friends wisely and NEVER ditch your old friends to be part of the "in crowd".
I think I saw that guy from 2:42 who played the father here from an episode of Cold Case where he also had an overweight daughter in that episode.She was the victim of the week and that episode and the cops had to figure out who killed her a number of months afterwards.
Oh my. It's also the same girl who plays his daughter in both of the episodes.
@@jamiemartin1434 oooh I never watched Cold Case much when it was airing and now I wanna check that episode out. so many of these crime shows were in conversation w one another back then
he looks like he'd be a great bartender, or cook.
fat people are hated for being fat. even in the workplace... several studies have shown fat people are more likely to be passed up for promotions, be paid less than their skinny peers, and overly criticized for their work. as teenagers, amplify it due to the much smaller pool of people to interact with. even if people stopped explicitly blaming agnes for the murders and jail time, she was always going to be followed by whispers & hushed tones. when people isolated her, they'd blame it on not wanting her to drag them into a similar mess. it happens to fat adults, it happens to fat kids. society hates fat people just for being fat and existing near them. it's awful.
I know they don't mention this or touch upon it, but we all do know that Brittany would've been hit with charges concerning CP for taking those photos of Agnes and spreading them around (and this includes those who have received the images, they would've gotten possession charges smacked on them). That would've been the perfect way of getting back at her, systematically ruining her life with the possibility of being put on 'The Registry', cause she thought it would be funny to take photos of another kid while they're changing in the school locker room. Finally, I am a fan of bloody retribution (Agnes killing that last bully is cathartic), but it wasn't the best option for Agnes. The bullying should've stopped when the Discount Mean Girls were sent to prison (while Emily is a victim, she ain't no saint), but people (especially self-conscious teens and tweens) find it easier to join the crowd instead of being rebels of the social food chain. This episode, despite being fantastic in showing how toxic bullying is in the school systems and the inability of school admins and staff to stamp down on it; it's ending left a bad taste in my mouth for how quickly they ended it with Agnes' arrest, they could've done a small continuation of it later on.
wait so who actually killed emily? I still haven't watched the full episode
@all_about_margaux her so called "friends" Paige, Andrea, and Brittany. The "Why?", Emily was dating Brittany's boyfriend (a grown man, to be specific).
What's messed up Britney knew it wasn't Agnus so why take pictures of her that's stupid All of them should go to prison
Simply because she found it fun, and needed to put the blame on someone.
I really hate that they waited for the idiot mom to leave before confronting that girl about the pictures she took of Agnes. She and the father needed to see what their daughter was really like.
And on that point, where were the two girls’ parents when they were selling each other out in court when Casey called the one girl out on the ring? And when the verdict came in? We really needed to see these parents getting slapped in the face with reality.
Yeah psychotic. I've heard that extreme over-indulgence of the child can just as well create a psychopath. She was spoiled.
Schools never do anything about bullying and parents never do anything about their children bullying others.
Why am I only now noticing Troy was played by AJ Soprano?
You're not the only one! 😄
Funny how Andrea tried to cover the class ring after it was mentioned. All of them should be imprisoned.
Poor Agnes… She didn’t deserve ANY of this, and I don’t blame her for what she did at the end ngl
And if there’s one thing that I hate out of ANYTHING in this stupid age, it’s BULLIES 😤😤😤
Agnes killed that popular senior girl?!!!
Oh no she didn't kill that senior girl!!
This is one of my favorite episodes, but I feel like the ending just shines a light on how fat people are treated. The creators couldn’t even let Agnes have any peace in the end; she had to be turned into a murderer which is going to increase the shaming she already faces. Really shows the implicit bias of people in general.. imo
It’s a universal problem, so will likely never change. I lived in Paris after gaining the freshman 15 (up to a size 8) and was told to go on a diet (by a nun) and jog the baby weight off. I’ve been a swizzle stick ever since. I’ll take a restrictive diet over mean comments any day.
@@mangohaeppchen3447 That’s so sad. Restrictive is just as bad at over eating, but I will say I understand.. I’ve started losing weight for health reasons and it’s definitely made people treat me better.
@@mangohaeppchen3447 are you still alive ? If you feel dizzy, see your bones through your skin or see yourself pale, you know what you gotta do.
@@JabamiLain I’m sure this is savage in your native language (or to a schizophrenic) - I’m not pressed over how thin I am. All it means when you try to be rude is that you deserve every rude comment you receive in life.
@@alexandriaNicolee1I had a similar situation, I lost a decent amount of weight when I started working on my feet, but I kept wearing my old clothes (didn’t realize how much weight I had lost), until finally someone pointed it out and I got clothes that fit. Literally overnight almost everyone treated me differently- better. They were friendlier to me, guys that wouldn’t even look at me tried to flirt with me and ask me out, people came to help me when I was getting overwhelmed from how busy the store was, hell, they even started giving me more hours.
The whole thing made my skin crawl. Like…I was the exact same person before they noticed I’d lost weight. It was literally just the way I looked that made people treat me better. It almost made me want to quit, being around so many shallow people, but it was one of the best paying jobs in the tiny town I lived in.
I loved when Cragen told off Brittany like that
I can relate to Agnes. When I was growing up, I got picked on all the time AND beat up. When it got physical, I'd fight back. You know who got in trouble? The kids who were picking on me? Nope. I was because i was hitting everyone and screaming at them to leave me alone. The staff/bus driver apparently never saw or heard them, but they saw and heard me. I remember one time I got in trouble for someone hitting me and he hit me, too. I told the bus driver this and he had the audacity to say, "after you hit him." They didn't see how he was literally poking me until it hurt and saying horrible things to me to make me upset because they thought it was funny. Nope. They saw me hit him so he'd stop and they saw him hit me afterwards. Another time, this girl attacked me in the bathroom randomly and started scratching my face and I was screaming and crying at her to stop, but she didn't, so i pushed her away and left the bathroom crying and she ran ahead of me crying and told the teacher that i was the one who attacked HER. I walked in with scratch marks all over my face, but they didn't ask me about them. They just reprimanded me.
The bullying actually stopped in high school for some reason.
I don't condone what Agnes did and I wouldn't have done the same thing, but I do understand what was she was going through and understood why she snapped.
Arielle Kebbel has the market cornered on those All-American (read: white) girl roles who may or may not be, in the words of Britney Spears, not so innocent. It also helps that shes a great actor, as we see here.
I can’t believe people can be that cruel
Eliot yelling “ that’s enough” 😂
Andrea: You cant do whatever you want.
that sounds funny coming from an entitled highschool brat that bullied someone else due to her appearance and steals from one her "so called friends" after another one of her "so called friends" brutally kills her and she whitness the whole ordeal.
Shoutout to Troy and the dad at least they have their little girls/sisters back
This is an amazing episode - very sad, but very relevant. There really is such a thing called "mean girls."
Worst year of my life was at a private Christian high school.
You'd think the New Testament would be engraved in their hearts.
I went to both private and public school and it was so bad at both schools and none of my teachers did anything about it. But my parents helped me get through it.
Christian schools are the worst.
@@rawyldsame ... I became a monster myself & hated what I turned out to be because of girls like them . Got my revenge though 💪🏾
9:08-9:21 Andrea & Paige didn’t feel the least bit bad about Emily but they pretended to. What does that say about them?
Sounds like Karma came back around for Emily.
the torment will never stop
I just heard about this story on Dr Phil. It’s based on the murder of Shanda Sharer. Absolutely shocking heartbreaking case.
The Big white girl is from Cold Case...she died in a college dorm fire episode
The dumb scrawny guy can’t remember the name of a character in a clip he watched 30 secs ago.
Yesss finally someone says thisss I love cold case dude❤❤❤
Wasn't her father also played by the same actor?
This was at least partially based on a local case here that became well known, that of Shanda Sharer. We've had so very many heartbreaking examples of bullying , not to mention the untold cost to adult survivors, and yet we seem to have learned nothing.
I just watched a whole episode in 10 mins. This is awesome 😂
I hope the judge took it easy on Agnes, poor girl has gone through enough with these harpies
5:39 takes one to recognize the other, I suppose.
If it's true, and some of those bullies were nicer when children, I have to wonder how different midia like "Kingdom Hearts" would look like if set in real life, where the power of friendship is weaker.
In schools adults never stand up to bullies.
Didn't this episode end with Agnes unaliving a girl herself because the bullying didn't stop?
Edit: yes, it was.
Do you think the girl deserved it ? Do you think Agnes went too far ?
Agnes is the second killer in this episode?!! WHAT?!!
Agnes went through years of bullying and no one helped her. I’m not surprised she snapped by the end of this episode.
@@PDJ004 neither am I. But you'd think other girls in the school would know better.
I loved how Cragen went father figure on that Britney girl during the interrogation.
That’s what that was?
The bigger girl should only get 2 years in a mental institution with 5 year’s probation….she was tortured for years and she snapped. Totally justified. But the real world doesn’t work like that.
The bigger girl will get longer than the popular chicks. She was relatively poor and homely. Justice doesn't work for those types of people.
R.l.P. Shandra Sharer.
Agnes father should had pulled her out of school. I feel like so many of us can relate to Agnes
2:49. AJ Soprano never had the makings of a varsity murderer.
This episode is based on the murder of 12-year-old Shanda Sharer in January 1991. She was brutally tortured and murdered by 4 girls in Indiana because she was seeing the girlfriend of the ringleader Melinda Loveless.
This is base on a real case , I watch a show called killer kids and a bunch of girls killed one of their friends like that only they found the girl in the woods . it was sad
The bully is dead, so she can’t hurt anyone else.
See what happens when you're your kids friends and not a parent
Why do the judges in this show so many leeway to the defense, but never to the prosecutors?? When Novak was going to prove a point, the judge was like “get to it, Miss Novak”, but when the defense does something like this, the judge is like take all the time you need.
Agnes says they used to be friends. If friends could mutate grotesquely into these freaks, I have to wonder what some of those anime characters who go on about the power of friendship end up as.
I have to ask if friendship is even a real concept anymore. What do you people think ?
Either something happen to those girls that made them change that Agnes is unaware of, or they were hiding their true selves until the right moment came (And some people are good at hiding how they really are).
If they were really her friends they would have never done what they did. Hell, if they were decent people that didn't want to be her friend anymore, they could've distance themselves without humiliating & bullying her.
I do think friendship is a real thing that exists. I think sometimes its hard for some people to find it.
@@alphagirl5212my concept of what is real and what isn't is based on how long it lasts. Friendship isn't an exception.
I think I had/have friendships, but introverted as I am, I'm unable to be sure.
Also, why would they wait years to show their rotten cores ?
@@JabamiLainLike I mentioned, some people are good at hiding their real selves. Maybe they don't realize that themselves until they get the opportunity. That's my theory.
Friendship tends to be a shallow concept for kids. As a preteen, friendship was mainly about who I sat with at lunch and who played with me on the playground. I didn't really get substantial friendships until halfway through highschool.
Maybe Agnes and the rest were friends but merely good classmates. Once they reached puberty, Britney decided Agnes was cramping her style and moved on. It could also be that Britney just tolerated her but Agnes saw the friendship as something deeper which would make sense given how othered Agnes has been.
@@anikabeauty547 but aren't there children who you grow up with who genuinely try to maintain the friendship ? More importantly, when do you realize that a friendship may actually mean something to you ?
10:01.
Hey, how the hell did Laughlin get his badge back?!
And people wonder why i despised high school
2:49 AJ soprano jumpscare good lord.
Man, AJ has problems everywhere he goes, even when he's living with another family.
why are they SO obsessed with agnes thats weirder/more embarrassing than anything they were making fun of her for
One of my favorite episodes
For anyone wondering, this episode is loosely based on the real case of Shanda Sharer. Incredibly tragic.
4:47, Anthony Jr in the house!
This case was based on the Shanda Sharer case in 1992. The 4 girls involved in her torture/murder are now free.
And the same thingwill happen with their fictional counterparts in this episode,sooner or later.
I wonder if there are any bullies in this comment section. Think of this as your confessionary. At least some of you must feel guilty, no ?
There is a bully here that posted after you. They said that it was only a few years of the victims' lives and that the victims probably don't remember their name. 🙄🤦♂
@@GregOrCreg the lack of empathy is astounding.
Love you guys❤
Andrea is the architect who tried to flirt with Christian Grey in front of Ana
3:01 The sad truth of our reality
Poor, sweet Agnes. She's not ugly at all. Nobody at that school helped her.
All those popular girls need to be jailed.
They were
@@maureenmeagher6415 Sure. They were out in a few years, probably less than that on appeal, and married as trophy wives to rich prep school douchebags.
Didn't you already do this one ?
This one was brutal. Even more than when Sunny pushed Mari downstairs. I can't wait for the mods to come out. Sometimes, I wonder what happens after a crime's resolution. If the small world those victims are in will care enough to do adjustments.
Yeah, they did. I saw that one not too long ago.
Yeah they did. At least this one showed the court case
4:50 "Expelled for bringing a knife into school".
But why though? KnIvEs DoN't KiLl PeOpLe!"
Agnes did the right thing when others didn't
Brittany's a bone-fide psychopath: Sadistic, manipulative, a compulsive liar, short temper and a complete lack of empathy. All of her group was rotten, but she was one level worse.
Wait til they get out of prison-they'll have at least 15 or 20 years to become even worse than they were before.
I liked this ep until the end. Turning Agnes into a killer ruined it for me. A bigger victory for her would of been for her to rally the students against bullies. Instead she gets to go to jail.
but that's not reality; you're talking about a disney movie. HOW could an outcast like agnes, who arguably disappoints her own father, rally anyone?? what a ton of pressure to put on a kid who is already being bullied. bullying messes with peoples' minds (especially kids. but agnes will get leniency at least.
That's not how it works in the real world, everybody hated Agnes before so why would it change after? Being traumatized doesn't make you suddenly a rebel leader or something it instead has you traumatized. Let alone the school had already made it clear they didn't care what the kids did to Agnes.
This episode's ending is REAL LIFE. REAL LIFE *isn't* a Disney movie fantasy. In REAL LIFE things only get worse for the victims.
@@innag6888 Wow! I made my comment before I even saw yours, and you're spot-on. Funny how we both see Disney movies as the ultimate example of wish-fulfilment fantasy (i.e. nonsense).
@@GregOrCreg it's one of the things I dislike about "Kingdom Hearts". Too much wish fulfillment there. The cast is too babied for being part Disney, and they get away with their mistakes too easily.
I still think you were harsh on that other comment, but I can see your point.
I feel a lot worse for Agnes and her family than any of the girls, including Emily. Like what kind of psychotic behaviour…these girls were peak insane 💀
If there was ever a case of temporary insanity or just snapping it was Agnes.
AJ Soprano, my guy never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Truly heartbreaking and I can't see why she can't do her work at home. Her school work, and be left alone 😔😔😔😔
What season and episode is this
Anyone know where I can find this full episode?