I know we’re all talking about the character, but the actress playing Juliet is acting the heck out of the character! I don’t know who the actress is but phenomenal job, young lady!
@@ashutoshsinghparihar545 or 7 year olds in general. I’ve seen impeccable child actors give out performances like no other. Prime example: Shirley Temple.
Here is something to keep in mind though- many CEOs and successful people are psychopaths exactly like this. The difference? They get socialized to not physically harm people because they won't getthe rewards they want that way. They still manipulate people as a tool to get money, success, and fame. They just learn to play the part well enough to blend in and operate in society. That's what she will have to learn. Unfortunately, people like this are around us and you just don't realize it.
@@Dragonraiser11 You can't punish a child who is willing to kill you .. that's the problem with psychopaths .. there is no control. My dad is one .. his family couldn't control him so he lived on his own in an en suit above his home when he was 12 .. O_O .. imagine he .. the 2nd youngest child .. got a full room while his elder brothers were still living within the house .. his room even got it's own stair case.. children that are like that will leash out if they are not given what they want .. my dad grew to be a horrible person .. found my mom who is naive and autistic .. with clinical depression .. he isolated her from her family .. brainwashed her and moved her with him to different places .. all my life we never settled in one place until I was 15 yrs old .. he was always poor [when in fact had a different bank account where he kept all his savings .. to enjoy once he is done with this toy] .. my mom was efficient .. an obedient toy .. she managed the children .. him .. was doing everything for him .. and listened .. yet he had his anger outbursts .. and his scary moments. he used to lock her in the room sometimes .. as a child of a psychopath .. there is no solution .. their brain is ... sick .. you can't teach them anything .. my dad .. in fact is very smart .. he knows how to say everything right .. to manipulate you when he believed 0 of his words .. on papers and in front of others .. he is the perfect dad .. husband .. in reality .. all that is a show .. you truly can't help them ... the number of times he told us he used to cut cats' tails growing up .. and his mom will just tell him off as if that is equal to making a loud noise .. it is annoying and disturbing.
Wow! Emma Hong who played the child psychopath here is AMAZING! This is the most convincing acting by a child actor I have ever seen. She is scary and adorable at the same time. Wish I could see the whole episode here.
This is based on a true story of a girl who was adopted by a family and she tried to hurt her brother who was still in a crib. It turned out she was abused by her biological father and was admitted in a psych ward where she got about a year (I think) therapy using animals and stuff. She eventually developed empathy and compassion and lived a healthy life afterward.
@@larrygonzalez4607 Yes, she's in her 30s, now and I believe she is herself a therapist of children with attachment disorder(s). No word on her brother Jonathan, yet.
@@thatgirl8390 I hope your research is correct coz I'm quite wound up in my own lab to do so. The statement I gave is based on numerous videos that I came across and nothing more.
@@thatgirl8390 Oh no no I'm not offended or hurt. I'm actually glad that you've done your research coz I'm indeed busy in my work. Everything can be whitewashed over the internet and I know that well. So if someone knows the truth its better to point it out, I do the same when there are false scientific facts being supported by those who are not in that field.
I'm disappointed that a Psychiatrist is letting his emotions cloud his judgement like this. You can't help everyone & this child does need to be hospitalized. She's unwell & when she gets angry she's a danger to others. Her brother is lying in a hospital bed cuz of a phone & in the end she manipulated them all to get her way. She needs targeted & specialized treatment so she can learn appropriate social/moral ideals & prep her for the real world
I think that because of this clip you may have misunderstood what he's advocating for. He's not saying she doesn't need to be hospitalized, he just doesn't want her to be sent to a corrections facility. By the way the show made it sound, it seemed like the corrections facility would not have been a rehabilitation center but more of a holding center. In this episode, Iggy is advocating for her to be hospitalized long-term under his care where he would try to help treat and rehabilitate her. Is he the most qualified person as he's not a specialist in specifically antisocial personality disorder? Maybe not. But this episode doesn't really make it clear how many of those types of specialists there are in this show's universe. They do however seem to indicate that he's the preferred scenario to her just being locked up.
@@AlexsTheCat No everyone does not lack empathy. Psychopathy is the lack of any empathy. Most humans are born with empathy. Not all are good at showing it, true enough.
My (former) stepbrother was a psychopath. Actually terrifying. We all walked around the house with tazers until they could get him into an inpatient program. Eventually, insurance stopped paying for inpatient, so they sent him to military school to keep him away. After he physically beat my mother as a teen for finding his secret second cellphone, it was a condition of her marriage to my stepfather that she never had to be around the kid. He was extremely manipulative, and when it didn't work or people didn't believe his lies, he got violently angry.
At the same time tho, she is a child as well. I imagine it’s difficult to have her safe and under control, with parents that are afraid of that. Her and her brother will be ruined
Actually most psychopaths are not violent. She is rational, and if she learns there are negative consequences to violence, ie she will suffer, she will learn not to use violence, but manipulation instead. A lot of people do not have a lot of empathy but are not dangerous.
This was extremely creepy. I agree that she's impressively manipulative. She was so quick to figure it out too. But that's exactly how they get thru in life. Figuring things out. Learning by watching others and testing boundaries. Its frightening but it's real. We live among psychopaths, some we see and others we don't.
They don't test boundaries so much as slam into them repeatedly out of some moment of poor impulse control and then cleverly weasel their way out... but without properly learning from their mistakes. Which means eventually their "cleverness" fails. They are less the logical manipulative masterminds people think they are from movies and TV and more of a spur of the moment liar and daredevil without capacity for shame and thus punishment recognition and adjustment.
But you have to understand that, a psychopath, does what they want, because they think, what they’re doing is right. In their mindset, they are doing right.
Wow she just displayed exactly how abusers manipulate relationships. They hurt their partners then apologize to get the "make-up high" (or make-up sex, emotional coddling, etc) then they rinse and repeat the abusive behavior, only to apologize and swear to change to get the "rewards" again, and again. They know what they're doing.
@ritabylsma4244 I find it so weird that we accept apologies without changed behavior at all in society. I've stopped responding to apologies by saying "it's OK" and I started saying "Thank you for apologizing" and some people get so offended by that response. That tells me everything I need to know about them. It tells me that they're just apologizing to get you to let it go and to escape real accountability. A real apology involves giving the person that you wronged space to feel however they feel, even if they don't forgive you right away or they don't "let it go" magically the second you say sorry. A real apology isn't predicated on the result, it's just about acknowledging your mistake and vowing to do better yourself.
this will not end well teaching her that an apoligy get her rewards she will focus her all been on that system to work around it just like the way she did with him
I believe you're missing one very important detail. I don't think she is JUST a psychopath, she is arguably also a genius, showing that she is way smarter than the doctors initially gave her credit for, likely due to her age, almost instantly finding a loophole in this reward system and happily willing to manipulate those around her to get what she wants. That's not something the average psychopath (or sociopath) is capable of doing. Frome didn't teach her how to manipulate, it's very clear she already knew how, hence his reaction of shock/surprise while playing the game, as well as why the parents were willing to protect and hide her actions at first. It's very likely she had already been manipulating people off-screen and previously, including those near her.
@@ThePowerofCutleries No one is saying she’s just a psychopath because people who are actually knowledgeable are aware that MOST of not ALL psychopaths are geniuses.
Amazing little actor, she is so convincing as a psychopath it gave me chills to watch her. We have some pure talented young actors around and I hope they get treated well in tv and film world.
As he was explaining the rules, they sounded really messed up to me. From what I understood he was saying if she did big things and apologized in a big way she would be given a big reward. So if she choked out her brother again, but apologized she would be rewarded. In a way isn’t this rewarding bad behavior? I might’ve misunderstood, but I don’t think I did.
ummm this was addressed by the rest of the scene where she uses that exact tactic and he realizes that his logic was flawed and the game wouldn't work.
Yeah but he realized the problem when she started behaving bad towards him to say little apologies to get what she wanted without doing what he asked her to do. He backed tracked and probably explained that isn't how she's going to get the phone by being bad and doing apologies she absolutely doesn’t mean. Psychopaths are very hard to treat because they will never understand how others feel. All they know is what they want and because they can't feel they will do anything to get it thus manipulate or hurt. Getting them to understand that behavior is not okay though is possible through treatment, but those parents will never be able to have her in their home for the safety of the other children.
@@anniewallace3601 her brain works differently he didn't explain to her that she wasn't gonna get the phone with the way she was acting. She processed that in order to get what she wants she needs to make it seem like she cares. she knows she is a psychopath and she knows how to get her way. she just needs to learn how to be a person and not a future killer.
@@skaladragon2004 no I think after he got over his shock he probably explained thats not how that works because then he would be rewarding bad behavior. He just did the professional thing of composing himself before proceeding because in the next scene she was in the room with the dollars meaning he said you only get the phone if you earn the 50 by talking to your brother. Treating a psychopath is hard because he's right she will never have empathy so they have to teach her that behavior isn't okay. He has a lot of work because the parents instead of giving consequences and rewarding acceptable behavior they have covered for her. She has learned that she can hurt things without a consequence and she can't understand the conversation how would that make you feel because she can't feel that.
"She will never have empathy. That's why we have to have it for her" No, that's the mistake her parents made. Having empathy for her teaches her that she can get away with things even more and still have people feel sorry for her and give her attention.
She is a child with a broken frontal lobe. She deserves our empathy and as a child deserves to be lovingly protected from her broken neurology. We need advanced and well funded facilities to help parents and children like these. Help may mean safe residence facilities and lifetime care. My heart breaks all around for all sides. She isn’t a monster, they don’t exist. She’s a child born with a serious cognitive defect that didn’t ask for it. Doesn’t mean that you have less empathy for the victims. Punishment based societies are the main problem in our world.
A narcissistic sociopath. Oh wow, that is terrifying on so many levels: The guy that feed into the kid’s desires and is proud of the "progress" that was made, the parents that enables by turning a blind eye, and the child that added a new tool to their manipulation tactics.
@@SkyeMae88 i am a diagnosed psychopath and there are differences that i've noticed from support groups that i've attended. sociopaths lose those emotional connections because of traumatic incidents that makes them lose hope in the world and just human connection in general. psychopaths are born with an inability to connect their emotions properly and at times have a hard time with empathy, and therefore display symptoms at a young age. sociopaths on the other hand display symptoms after the traumatic incident and had a good emotional and social connection prior to the traumatic stimulus.
@SkyeMae88 again, you didn't take my information that I'm presenting to you. psychopathy has a stronger genetic association. Scientists think that parts of the brain involved in emotions don't fully develop. Although sociopathy can also be inherited, abuse and trauma in childhood are more common causes. You might need to get checked out for narcissistic personality disorder because I can notice some signs.
"Manipulation tactics" is the only way she will ever operate. That is the point. If you can focus those tactics towards positive behaviour, based on a reward system, then the behaviour becomes habitual and eventually automatic, so there is less danger of violent behaviour.
All that therapist did was teach that girl how to be an expert abuser. She does what she wants to someone, apologizes, then goes on to do the whole routine again. Sounds like there would be a lot of victims in her future.
Which is why it is just as important to teach that a person's own feelings have value and that it is okay to forgive someone but not to forget. An apology doesn't fix the problem, it just marks that the person is aware that you are aware that the problem happened. An apology doesn't mean they won't do it again. Break a plate, then apologize to the plate. It doesn't un break the plate or protect the other plates from future breakings.
I don't get why parents (of minors) decide to take the blame for abuse just because their kids are young, instead of getting actual help for the kid like therapy or medication or both. Like, you're just gonna abandon your family and go to prison?
You're not a parent, if you were you'd have a little more sympathy. When kids are that young, the instinct is to protect them. So, even though she tried to kill her brother, they don't want her to go to jail, hence why they confessesd. Also, no parent alive wants to hear their child won't get better, or their child is beyond help. What kind of parent are you if you give up hope on your 11 year old? They're aware she's not right, but she'd probably have to kill a family member for her parents to completely let go of their hope.
@@tiffanywatson8316 1. By keeping the abusive kid around the victim kid, you're forcing your kid into a dangerous situation by not separating the two and GETTING PROFESSIONAL HELP AND MEDICATION. 2. The kid wasn't going to jail, she was going to an in-patient facility that specialized in youth with abnormal brain patterns leading to psychotic or sociopathic behavior. 3. By falsely admitting to one child's action, you're automatically LETTING the abuse continue instead of getting help for the child. It's not jail. It's therapy, for Christs sake.
because of shame and guilt. because they feel their own defective genes were part of what created the monster. and because they feel they were bad parents.
A person who truly has anti-social behavior disorder (a.k.a., a psychopath) learns how to emulate empathy really early. That character had been manipulating her parents for years.)
lucky kid, i had to learn that myself.... i guess i was lucky to have been the quiet kid BEFORE it was a big deal to be, helped with studying and analyzing everyone and everything they did throughout the day,the cries,cheers,screams, laughs, every last thing people put on display, i viewed and learned.
He taught her how to control her thoughts. As time goes on in the show she actually becomes better. People who fall into the category of aspd and psychopaths need to sadly learn how to internalize everything. It sucks but that's how it is
I had a girl like this in one of my after school classes. It was terrifying. The whole family lived in fear of her. They couldn’t keep pets because she’d kill them. Her door had to have multiple outside locks and she couldn’t have stuff in her room because she’d make everything into a weapon. We’d have to keep one teacher on her at ALL times during care hours and she wasn’t allowed in the regular classrooms because she was too unpredictable. She’d hurt herself and others for no good reason. Her younger siblings lived in FEAR of her. Honestly she should have been institutionalized but there’s no support for that here. Her mother used to cry and tell us that she knew her daughter was going to grow up and hurt people for fun and there wasn’t anything they could do to stop it.
Definitely one thing they could do to stop it……as a mother your kids are your responsibility. You bring them in, and if necessary take them away. I adore my son but if he ever hurt people like this, I’d have to send him away.
This dialogue delves deep into the complexities of human behavior and the importance of empathy. It's a powerful reminder of the significance of understanding and compassion, especially in challenging situations. Kudos to the creators for tackling such thought-provoking themes.
The actress that plays the little girl is amazing ! She did really great ! That was quite fascinating to see how psychopaths understand how to bypass a rule within staying in the rules. I don’t think the reward system was a good way to proceed. She is just going to hurt to eventually have a reward after apologizing.
So, most sociopaths/psychopaths (there fairly synonymous terms) aren’t violent to the point of just murdering people. They are aware of the rules of ‘the game’, and their solipsistic attitudes understand things can go very wrong for them still. It’s not remorse, but the reward based system they already inhabit. Many sociopaths are successful in business, law, and even the medical and psychiatric field. There is a terrific Times article written by a successful businesswoman in NYC who is a diagnosed sociopath. Will she probably assault others? Yes. Will it decrease with age? Usually yes the violence does decrease with age for a time. Many serial killers are sociopaths, but they are not synonymous.
That child actress, the way she knew to silently mouth "I win" and her unwaving eyes. Woah! Gave me chills! I knew the doctor lost the moment he sat Juliet down. She is more manipulative than he could handle. Worse of all, he's doing what her parents are doing, teaching her how to get away with things she's done.
You people really floor me. Only seeing the surface of things. So if somebody was dying of stomach cancer you would most likely say "but you LOOK fine." She manipulated him, but just with subtle looks he cleverly out manipulated her. And at first he let her win a few times, playing dumb until he very cleverly acted like he just caught on to her and said he wasn't playing. He had to let her see her "wins" so that when she started to oblige him she'd be able to see the difference of winning in a more reasonable way. The man was a genius. In 5 minutes he had her out the door apologizing to her brother. Fake though it may have been to her, she wasn't able to do it for a while due to her pride and ego.
I work with kids and there is this one child that just gives me a gut feeling he is going to be known in society... he has this blank stare and this smile... perfectly acknowledging everything you say but then doing exactly what you said not to while laughing & having a blank stare... creepy
I worked with an extremely aggressive kid who was also manipulative and a habitual liar. When he saw something he wanted he always wanted to “trade” the other kids-which was actually him threatening to hurt them if he didn’t get his way. He also had deep seated self hatred. I told my colleagues that he was going to be in prison for an extremely violent crime when he gets older. They didn’t believe me, but I have a strong feeling.
Trust your guts. You both have enough experience to know. My mother was an educator all her life and she said that although it’s politically incorrect to say, experienced educators like yourselves, can tell a child’s basic personality by the age of 4. She also had worked with a few dangerously psychopathic children.
When you work with children you just know when one's off. They just aren't normal. Sadly a lot of parents don't listen to us. As a camp counselor if only 19 yrs old I told the director of one of Camp Fire Girls about a kid, but she nor the parents listened. It's been 30 years and I always refer back to that case. If the kid has already progressed to unliving animals, we all knows what that means. He was surrounded by the mountains of north Georgia it was to easy for him to get away things.
I lucked out, I worked in a facility with about 6 middle school aged kids like this- pre-diagnosis for Sociopathy. They collectively manipulated the staff as a group to avoid doing school work there and when they were told to do schoolwork they would flip desks and broke the doors in the building to a pulp. This facility also does not allow restraint of any sort so they and I just took the beatings. Absolutely horrible program they let any kid in for their money despite how unhealthy the group dynamic is.
I know a kid that was like this. She was didn't feel remorse unless it got her something. One time she tried to apologize to me and I said I don't accept it her. Her mood automatically changed to violent. When she can't manipulate someone, it made her aggressive.
I used to be like this, had a severe brain injury and it changed my life. I suddenly started to feel a wider range of emotions and put myself in other people’s shoes. I was never able to do that before, at first I hated it. I cried and then got angry at myself for crying. I think something goes wrong in our brains at birth that makes us act that way, it’s nature not nurture. I hope more research is done to cure people.
@@marshmallow7640 First, my deepest sympathy to you. Second, it would be easier to explain if that was her case. Unfortunately she showed classic signs of a psychopath. She hurt animals with her bare hands. She is sick, and I think she needs a serious therapist
@@justinekrider5803 I used to hurt animals as well before the brain injury. I felt nothing then, in fact I enjoyed it. After the head injury, I feel really really bad about it. The brain needs to be studied more, I hope that little girl receives a miracle the way I did.
@@marshmallow7640 it is interesting how the injury makes a difference…my niece was on her way to be a lawyer… she had a significant head injury… she recovered enough to be a different mind set as she became a social worker..
Justine, that's how you can tell if the apology is sincere or not. If the person is sincere they understand that it often takes time to accept an apology. And that the person being apologized to is under no obligation to accept the apology. I've had that experience where someone goes to anger if you don’t immediately and fully accept their apology. It's creepy. At the time I was too young to understand, and I thought I had done something wrong. Thank goodness for healing and getting older .
She is still kid, it’s still hard not to have empathy for her. I hope there is medications out there that can help her. I hope she is watched carefully but also gets the help she needs.
@@mayya4413 that's the thing..psychopaths r born like that..it's a disease (don't really know if we should call it a disease though) that does not really have a cure or medications..and they r such good manipulators that they will make u believe they r cured and fine but they r actually not
@@mayya4413 There is none .. psychopaths have their brain wired differently .. they don't feel remorse or empathy .. they don't care .. they are just evil .. you can't fix the brain .. not in this case .. I know because my dad is a born psychopath and what did his family do ?! coop with his demands as much as possible .. he terrorized them all .. his sisters used to fear him .. to the degree when my mum married him [she is too naive and sheltered .. he manipulated himself into her life because she was a fragile being and a perfect rat for his experiment] .. his sisters' told her that they are relieved he is finally getting busy with something else .. so yea .. psychopaths are scary .. imagine casually cutting cats' tails when you are 11 and your family shake it off to being "you" .. no use of punishment .. it is like let him do this because if he doesn't .. he will start hurting his siblings or terrorizing his parents .. so no .. such person is scary .. and she will become much more scary and out of control the older she gets ..
Who wrote this? That poor doctor, he really is the most gullible and ineffective character I've ever seen 😂 nobody would let a known psychopath run you over like that, especially not a kid. The first apology would have anyone stand up and leave to show that you can't be manipulated.
I am not familiar with this show, but I’m assuming his character is either not very good at his job or is learning as he goes. lol And he let his emotions take over when she offended him.
You hunny seem like hav had real experience and to that well done on being with the patient. Even I'm still in my uniform after my day. And all my brain power. ;) It's okay to not like something ever and especially if someone is abusive to you coherently. I get you I'm also a massive victim. God-
This is from the show new Amsterdam, which I loved. I think that little girl deserves an Emmy. She gives a chilling performance…scary that this is reality in some lives.
@@mossripalextechno6450 Agree. I think people should go through it a bit to become immune. It doesn't fit our sense of reality that feelings can feel so real but have zero depth. It took me over 12 years to realize with my partner, and I still get tricked.
That’s not true, not all children who are like this and diagnosed with this illness will kill someone. It’s actually a smaller percentage. To categorize and speak that over people is horrible.
The girl is an incredible young actor. She had her entire audience believing her pathology. Good job! I'm sure there'll be many roles to portray in her future. 👏🌹
Honestly, a kid who is extremely empathetic but uses that empathy to manipulate and hurt others in the most personal ways, seems a lot scarier than someone who lacks empathy.
She has cognitive empathy which means she can recognize emotions in others but she doesn't have affective??? Empathy which means she herself can feel someone else's emotions but she can still read others emotions
Psychopaths are able to read and name the emotions another person is experiencing. They cannot FEEL another's emotions( no empathy)...but they can NAME and detect another's emotions....one way of manipulating people. Cognitive empathy versus affective empathy.
I think the Doctor forgot to say: Apology only works if the person she apologized to accept the apology... forcing an apology isn't the way to get pass these things... In real life, when someone makes mistake they can apologize, but it's up to the other person whether they can accepted the apology or not. Don't forget that people got hurt and needed time to get over it, especially when someone made grave mistake towards them (like unintentional child neglect etc)... Just saying... and I know this was a disorder, but teaching them the logic of how things usually work could give them more insight. But also, this kid need professional therapy to lead her towards better future. She's only 11...
I don't understand why they didn't use the most logical answer. She goes to jail if she doesn't 'play' nice. From what I know psychopaths are quite logical.
I couldn't even imagine how hard it would be to have a child like this. To be afraid that your own child wants to hurt you would just break my heart. I've seen shows of families that go through this and it's a horrible way to live. To go to bed scared is just unimaginable. So sad.
My sister is like this, never choked anyone because her manipulation did a better job. The thing is, is something that always remain undiagnosed, I figured out that my sister condition had a name when I was so much older.
Then let me scare you just a little bit more. Psychopaths are overrepresented among the prison population (as you might expect), however they are thought to also be overrepresented in top corporate and political positions too.
Psychopaths don’t automatically become killers, they just don’t feel the normal feelings or have the normal filters. She’s an extreme example of what happens when the person don’t have limits as psychopaths can be successful business men and women without hurting others.
Well it’s a TV show that stigmatizes and dramatizes this condition. Most people displaying psychopathic tendencies end up living a very normal life. They may not feel empathy like us (which is something we SHOULD feel grateful for, instead of using it as a way to demonize those with conditions).
I had two psychopaths in my class as a teacher . Obvious signs, obvious behavior. They were in SPED classes but they ran circles around the specialists. They respected me because I told them all the time I needed to check what they told me. They would tell me they hated me and I would just smile. They didn't like me because every time they lied and faked their emotions I called them out on it. They knew I knew they didn't care. One kid completely destroyed a classroom and another kid beat up the smaller kid: and the specialists would give us all these empathy building games and stuff. Hate to say it didn't work. Those kids ended up having to be in specialist institutions and schools.
YEP I worked in one of those special institutions for their schooling. They manipulated the staff collectively and each other since it was a small group of sociopaths. Horrible dynamic that is looked over and not changed for the sake of money and greed by the organization
A normal therapist would NEVER require that a person - child or otherwise - apologise or practice it without establishing the foundations of why a person doesn't apologise. It's also an imposition on the client to dump your perceptions of forgiveness onto them especially when the act itself doesn't necessarily mean sincerity & understanding. Considering her inherent pyschological condition, she is UNABLE to feel apologetic. The therapist already knew this about her but still attempted his lil game. Stoopid.
It took me Multiple sessions with my Therapist to get to a level where I can talk to my mom and establish boundaries with her. It didn’t happen over night . It took MONTHS .
@Madame d'Badger he's not just a "therapist" but a psychiatrist. It requires a bit more... assertiveness. Truly the wrong way to handle the issue though
My father and mother were both like this,not only physically but they were masters of psychological torture. I moved clear across the country to get away. They passed a few years after that. THANK GOD
@Madame d'Badger my Dad has ASPD too, I’m barley around him. He changed his ways kind of, he used to be in and out jail alot and he didn’t work. He was also really mean and cruel emotionally and physically. He doesn’t do the stuff he used to anymore but I think it’s just a mask he’s putting on. I feel bad that I still love him but I can’t help it. I think I’m trauma bonded to him in a way.
My heart goes out to you. I pray you have found some solace in knowing they can no longer hurt you. I hope you have found healthy ways to deal with the trauma you suffered from having detached parents, and found the love every single one of deserves as a human being. Best wishes in all your endeavors.
@@pip.pip.pooray why not it would help other people like me who may possibly be going through the same situation although I’m not very sure that’s why I would like to understand them better
Isn't he teaching her how to manipulate others? You know, skills that she can use to take advantage of others and possibly hurt them? I don't know if that's such a good thing... idk. It's difficult because it's a disorder. Update: I hear what y'all are saying. I just kind of see it in the sense of what is she going to do when someone inevitably says no or that they don't accept her apology? Life's not perfect and people don't always respond/react the way we want them to. What will be her reaction then? But I'm not a psychiatrist/psychologist so take my words with a grain of salt. I'm completely willing to admit I may be wrong lol
It's a fairly common technique in psychology. You start small, playing by their rules (the reward system) and hope that over time they start doing healthy things (like apologizing) out of habit
I disagree that Frome taught Juliet how to manipulate. Juliet is a clever psychopath from the start. She was quick to find a loophole in the doctor's game and exploited it. Too quick. A quickness that I attribute to a genius. Perhaps it's parental instinct to protect Juliet and take the blame for her, but I daresay that she took advantage of their love offscreen. She exhibits no fear and perhaps even joy when she knows she angered Frome when she ignores his instructions to play the game properly and even spit on his face, a stranger. She's the most dangerous kinds of psychopath. EDIT: I take it back. She DID enjoy it. She gloats over her success in fooling everyone for the phone with a smile.
@@chrishenniker5944 You know this from personal experience? Regardless, the world is large. There's bound to be a clever psychopath somewhere. Vile the day we meet with one.
The girl depicted very good how a psychopath would behave. And I can´t help to imagine how after the scene was shot the girl actually apologized but the other actor complimented her.
It's never that simple. The one thing that child pychopaths/sociopaths will always have is someone (a parent) who Wholeheartedly Loves them. It's not that they want to place anyone in danger for the child, but they will go through every possible scenario to save the child. They will use every ounce of Hope they have, even their life if it meant saving that child. It's not just about saving that child's life but saving that child's Soul. It's a Spiritual thing, a very heartbreaking mission at that.
@Harry Snothead Agreed. I’d send the kid away to protect everyone else, including my pets. Best thing for everyone, including the kid with the ASPD/psychopath diagnosis.
At the end, where the doctor said “we have to feel empathy FOR her“ I believe he was expressing that she would always need people around her through whom she could understand how to behave empathetically. It was like saying yes, she will always be emotionally blind, so she will always need guidance from others. Whether she could, with intense attention, eventually live in society remains to be seen. Narcissists also lack empathy, and while they have toxic traits, they can learn to live among us, sometimes all too well, but at least without the same risk that they will dismember the family pet.
This reminds me of a child at my first placement. The child centre was using positive reinforcement with the children. This kid would push another girl and make her cry. The educators would than ask he to hug her. After he did that, the educators would say good job. After a while, the kid would deliberately push her than hug her immediately afterwards.
I think this is based off the case of Beth Thomas who's interview is available on youtube. She was brought to a facility that ran off a reward and responsibility system. She actually ended doing very well after some time and even went on to become a nurse for children. It took some time though of course. Also, the term psychopath is outdated so it would have been nice to see the show use the right diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder so we can continue destigmatizing those with this disorder
As someone who has been on the receiving end of a psychopath's attention, hard pass on destigmatizing that disorder. They don't care, and neither should we.
@@jamiemetzger1403 I'm sorry that happened to you. It sounds like it's been traumatic. When I talk about destigmatization though I simply mean through a preventative lens. If destigmatizations leads to more education and awareness, then we can see more individuals with these disorders brought to treatment (whether willingly or referred) to then hopefully see some prevention for victims. The solution has to start somewhere. But this comment is not to devalue your experience, just shed light to an overall systemic issue. Hope you have a restful evening
I think Beth Thomas' case was different because she suffered from extreme childhood trauma and neglect. I read that psychopaths tend to have different brain structures that prevent them from feeling guilt, shame or empathy. While therapy should be a must for such individuals so I don't think reward system would be a good approach to keep them from hurting others.
@@jalapenocheese6839 yeah that's why I mentioned based and not exact. Beth Thomas and her brother came from abusive backgrounds, and many children who develop anti-social personality disorder often also endure adverse childhood experiences that then alter their schemas and life perceptions l, thus developing a personality disorder. Every case is different of course and should be treated differently to obtain the best results, I agree
beth Tomas wasn't a psychopath. she had been severely abused and this caused brain damage. she couldn't form emotional attachments because the attachments that were supposed to be safe for her were pretty close to deadly. she didn't learn to feel or fake feelings she learned safety which allowed feeling which is very different from what they showed in this clip. A psychopath lack empathy but only one-third of people diagnosed with AsPD antisocial personality disorder are considered psychopaths
People with these mental conditions need to be placed in a secure place for them and others. It’s not about punishing anyone not responsible for their behavior, but to protect innocent people. Yes we need to have empathy for all, but it is our duty to prevent damages as much as possible without being inhuman.
A doctor actually suggested that in an interview. (Can't remember the show) However, he said such a thing would not be created in our lifetime or your grandchild's lifetime. It will take many many more years, and many more generations for what you have said.
@@Heenfio that's why I think there should be some opportunity for kids born this way to learn how to blend with society without harming anyone, a sort of rehabilitation program. statistically there are a lot of people with aspd in various work fields and especially high stress ones like law and the medical field because many seem to flourish in those environments, but we only see the violent ones on the news so many believe that violence is inherent. People who are a threat to innocents should be kept somewhere away from them, but we shouldn't admit people for crimes they haven't but might commit in the future, and it also shouldn't be exclusive to those with apsd because plenty of people who are capable of empathy have done horrific acts too. At this point I'm basically describing jail I think lol
@@Sandstimes you wrote a whole paragraph, but I'm wondering if you even noticed the person you replied to said, "we" as in describing his/herself to be like that of the psychopathic character in the video.
First off whoever played Juliette is a fucking amazing actor. Second, child psychopaths r extremely scary and so impressively manipulative. I had a friend in elementary school who physically and emotionally abused me for years and I’m certain that she was callous and unemotional. I remember we were in the principals office together being talked to about what was going on between us. I remember she kept telling the principal how much she loved me and how she desperately wanted me to accept her apology and we could become friends again. She bought everything she said and scolded me for my behavior and I’ll never forget when the principal turned around to answer a phone call, she looked at me and smiled. It was really scary
My younger brother had a form of antisocial personality disorder. He did not harm animals or young children though. He was actually protective of them. But it was truly something watching him "read" a person (watch how they react to what he said or did) and then watch him change tactics if he wasn't getting the response he wanted. He was very manipulate.
A coerced apology made for iggy bucks or any other kind of bucks is not only pointless, it's counterproductive. If you can't reach empathy, you can't win.
I knew someone who was psychopathic and he hated every s3cond of it. He couldn't connect with people, couldn't understand why people didn't see things his way and again, you can't really tell him he's wrong because in his mind it makes logical sense and it does, it's just not in line with most peoples emotional functioning and moral coding. He also functions on a reward system of sorts that he sets for himself, a set of rules and guidelines he puts in place that he follows as to not do things that he knows aren't acceptable. It was scary a lot of the times, knowing most of what he was doing was intentional rather than unintentional, that he had to make himself be good and nice to fit in better and he did it very well. But I am still grateful towards him, as someone consumed by their emotions and their fears on a constant basis and requires a lot of rationalization and reasoning and Logic, he was a great help with a lot of that. Psychopaths aren't all always hateful and spiteful people, but they are all capable of it due to their distinct lack of empathetic response to anything. They don't need a reason other than "they're right" to hurt you, but the fact that they still make an effort just to live inside the same little box as the rest of us is enough for me.
i like your comment a lot. it's balanced, experienced, and compassionate. i hope we can figure out one day a cure for it. it's really scary but cant blame it on them either. the way nature works is terrifying sometimes.
That is an example of why children and adults become serial killers when they don’t get there way ; when they are told no; when others disappoint them. They have no skill set to cope with it so they lash out at whatever is in their way.
Giving in to every whim makes a much worse monster than making a kid mad once in a while. This child has antisocial behavior and psychopathy. She is unable to feel remorse, regret, empathy or shame. Much different than most children. You teach your children through their empathy how to deal with disappointment and anger.
Normal people learn that life doesn't always give them whatever they want and adjust. If they experience severe abuse and neglect, some predispositions in their psychological make up might result in sociopathy. Many killers are sociopaths. The terrifying child exhibited psychopathic characteristics...an innate deficit in emotion, complete lack of empathy which can be imaged on brain scans. No external conditions, injuries or complications...they re born that way. Also, there is a genetic component. Most psychopaths will report that they have or had family members with similar traits. We've all known one, or more frightening, are related to one.
not really? the girl in the vid was a medically diagnosed psychopath. it's not that she "didn't have the skill set", she is medically incapable of empathy. she never lashed out at anyone: she choked her brother because, to her, it was the easiest way to get his phone, then she pretended to be emotional at the end because she learned that emotional manipulation is a better way to get what she wants it's not the same as children and adults who are spoiled or entitled or whatever point you're making in your comment, because this girl will never be able to feel sorry, or ashamed or guilty. she is medically incapable of it
A general rule when dealing with kids of any variety: always outline the exact terms of any agreement. Kids understand agreements, but they also understand that they may be able to get away with stuff if they can find loopholes. Clearly the doctor was not trained in dealing with psychopaths since he left the terms extremely exploitable.
Having empathy for a kid is one thing. Cool and all. Having empathy for an adult is something completely different from having empathy for an adult who hurts someone else. At that point empathy doesn't matter the damage is done people are hurt
That’s why you should feel empathy for them as a child. It’s obvious that psychopaths need attention and care as a child, this helps them develop into healthy life styles where they aren’t hurting people. Especially therapy that doesn’t involve a reward system (that’s just bad, it leads to manipulation) If you encourage or tolerate this behavior (such as the parents in this clip) or demonize them, you’re going to end up with the same result and people WILL GET hurt.
@@PhysicallyAwake idk why y’all care about kids like this why waste time doing this when we can care for kids who deserve it. i’d cut this girl so fast if she was around me. they don’t change
This so so true in all levels. A lack of Empathy is key trait of psychopaths. They will never have it so you can’t ever change them. Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow affect, glibness, manipulation and callousness.
I've taught children like that.... chilling: Extremely manipulative, devious and utterly cold and cruel with no guilt, shame and absolutely no remorse... and no empathy. They do not feel..They lie, deny, deflect and gaslight with such conviction Their apologies are always disingenuous and self serving.
This is not how it works you have to teach her what empathy is and how others show it and how to mimic it not to manipulate but simply fill in the blank with the right emotional response when needed
The catch-22 is she'd have to care enough to want to learn, to "do better". What she needs to learn is to fear punishment, so she can learn how to operate on a socially acceptable level in order to avoid said punishment. Just look at 'Dexter', for example.
Agreed, but there has to be self-interest. If she doesn't gain anything from fitting in with society, she won't. It'll start out as letting her manipulate others, followed up with teaching her to act empathetic in order to plan ahead and keep her options open. She'll still have her personal motivations, but she'll act considerate by default
@@JakkFrost1 psychopaths are terrible in judging the consequences. And they don't care much what will happen to them later, too, I think. I mean, some, sure, I guess. But some just wirk on the immediate consequences, no long term or potential ones considered.
@@kathrinbauer5358 yeah, just realized myself that wasn't quite the right word, but atm I'm tired and can't think of a more appropriate word for avoiding undesirable outcomes or circumstances.
Heh. Problem is is this is based on real life issues. My sister was like that and still is. I can spot this stuff a mile away and have known about it since I was 7 years old how manipulative she was. She's just as ugly now on the outside as the inside. I'm sure things aren't as peachy for her as they were. Am I mad? No. I feel sorry for her because despite everything, she's my family. I won't ever go near her again though. When she started hurting MY family I cut that off.
My sis is the same . She is not as psychopathic and dry as this child but she is as harmful as she is . I too had to cut her off after she started going after my parents . And as you said , because of my prolonged exposure to her , i can smell people like her from a mile away. Take care . Please feel free to talk to me if you want to . People like us should stick together as much as we can .
Good for you, having conflict is actually a healthy human concept and to remind us that the Earth can in fact smite us in ONE night. Also, is the other comment not loading on your end or is the site turning cray-cray than usual?
The fact that she understands what she's doing is wrong well not really fully understands but that she under stands that there's something wrong with her and that she understands she's different and doesn't know how to express how she feels without being angry all the time should show a little bit of progress
@@mhojaifa1110 yup they psychopath learn how to mimic real emotion to manipulate people into getting what they want. They aren’t all dangerous but some can be.
I really miss this wonderful TV series!! New Amsterdam was so well written with very interesting character development. So many truly provoking story lines in every episode.
If it’s comforting, most people with psychopathy or anti social personality disorder (aspd) do have normal lives and learn that it’s not okay to do that. Most movies and tv shows dramatize mental disorders and often get things wrong. Which often leads people to the wrong conclusion of the mental disorders being depicted. From autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, ASPD, etc. Never seen an accurate representation of mental disorders before. Probably some out there but I haven’t seen it.
@@adolphaselrah9506 not comforting to me. just knowing they are very capable and might even be willing of doing horrible selfish things, nope count me out. i wish to never meet them.
(Take this with a grain of salt since I'm not a professional in this field, but:) The thing is, the parents don't know what's wrong with their child- like what they said before, other doctors have said she may have schizophrenia or ADHD when in actuality, she's a psychopath. Even though their kid is displaying violent tendencies they just cover it up because they're probably in denial. It is their child after all. The psychiatrist/doctor(?) is most at fault here, since he's the one who should be more equipped to handle situations like this, but instead, he unintentionally encourages her behavior.
Because dear in, for the children who we love with all of our hearts we have that h word - hope. Always, always hope that there will be change for the better.
I am lucky to have parents who taught me to be responsible enough to take the consequences of my mistake by myself not being saved by them. I was taught at a very young age to be respectful and responsible. I owe them great gratitude.
I think I met a teen Psychopath this summer. She was extremely stoic and cold, her smile was fake, and she stood in corners of rooms like a still block of ice watching people instead of sitting among them. At the end of my encounter with her, she asked me to help her with something. She’d baited me in by bringing up a topic that she’d previously figured out I was passionate about (I don’t even know how she got that information-very scary). She wrote me an enormously articulate, almost robotic-sounding follow-up text message asking me to deliver on the favor only hours after meeting her. I never responded. Feels weird because I’m usually eager to help young people, but something tells me that helping her would be helping a dangerous psychopath move up in the world. Absolutely not 🙅🏾♀️
Just cx she stood or sat alone u termed her psychopath? What if she was just an autistic introvert kid? They have difficulty mixing socially. That’s very wrong on your part
@@user-xe1lx1pg9q Or they actually DID meet a psychopath and determined that they wouldn't help her. What would have happened if she was a psychopath? Would you help her? As you determined that she might be a "autistic introvert kid"? That's wrong on YOUR part.
@@user-xe1lx1pg9q You make a good point. but it wasn’t just the ‘sitting alone.’ It was more that she was standing over the room observing in a very calculated manner. Followed by several behaviors afterwards which definitely pointed towards psychopathy. I’m pretty sure what I was observing was not spectrum behavior.
Wow.. judgemental AF !! And also not genuinely nice ..you only help people you like. You disappointed a quiet girl and did not help her "move up in the world" just for being introverted So scary !!
I was waiting for the doctor to realise that he is not teaching her to be more considerate. But rather hide her psychopathic behaviour to eventually able to harm more people. You can't cure some people with therapy. You can't do it with ADHD, you can't do it with psychopaths. And trying to impose that on a psychopath who is harming people around them. Is eventually trading lives of multiple people around her to only hers.
All people who are making comments about the girl’s frightening behaviour are inadvertently paying young Emma Hong the highest compliment an actor can receive. YOU. BELIEVED. IT. 10/10 for that kid’s acting chops.
No one can provide someone else's missing empathy.... it is not possible... you wind up being an enabler and put at risk anyone she comes in contact with.
i’m glad i found this. my sister has schizophrenia, adhd, and odd and this is how she is. it is really hard. she’s really manipulative. she’s stated my parents are abusive, etc. it’s so scary
Hauntingly my 4 year old son is showing these signs. And it’s kinda scaring me , it hurts me. Because as a mom if I one day have to give up the only son I have it’s gonna leave such a big hood in my heart and will make me feel so guilty at the same time
@@solidcatink boundaries mean nothing to these types of people. You think her parents didn’t. She is just that manipulative. Doesn’t matter what you do. She is smart enough who to do it around. How much to do it. And when to do it. You can teach your child all you want to. It’s up to your child to listen to your words and guidance or not.
None of this helped her work through taking “no” which is far more important and difficult than establishing a reward system. It is also far more relevant to the problem of abusing her family.
The way she spun around and mouthed the words “I win” gave me chills.
Da Nile is a river In Egypt on this one...what a sad sick situation
Yes!!
Thank you.. I was wondering what she was mouthing.
Bea
Apparently I’m bad at lip reading because I thought she said, “How was it”.
I know we’re all talking about the character, but the actress playing Juliet is acting the heck out of the character! I don’t know who the actress is but phenomenal job, young lady!
No matter how good you are, their's always a 7 yrs old asian who can do better with a blindfold.
@@ashutoshsinghparihar545 or 7 year olds in general. I’ve seen impeccable child actors give out performances like no other. Prime example: Shirley Temple.
That’s exactly why I’m the observer around my kids; and other kids that they play with too.
Totally agree! I hope we see more of her in the future!
Her name is Emma Hong. Not much about her online, but she has some other film and TV credits. Definitely think she has potential to become a star!
Can we just applaud that little girl for her convincing act 👏👏👏 I'm utterly terrified and equally traumatized.
(Me too!) Lol
Crazy how good she is acting.
Fr bc not gonna lie... she made me wanna yeet her out the window 😂😂😂
Right?? Whoever this kid is, fantastic acting.
I’m genuinely scared of this kid. She did fantastic
That doctor gave her the worst advice ever!!!! He gave her a tool to use to get everything she wants. That ending just proved it
Here is something to keep in mind though- many CEOs and successful people are psychopaths exactly like this. The difference? They get socialized to not physically harm people because they won't getthe rewards they want that way. They still manipulate people as a tool to get money, success, and fame. They just learn to play the part well enough to blend in and operate in society. That's what she will have to learn. Unfortunately, people like this are around us and you just don't realize it.
Without endangering someone's life; who you think run these countries? A lot of them in every political office.
Agreed. For some empathy Or some form of it, is taught through negative consequences...
@@Dragonraiser11 You can't punish a child who is willing to kill you .. that's the problem with psychopaths .. there is no control. My dad is one .. his family couldn't control him so he lived on his own in an en suit above his home when he was 12 .. O_O .. imagine he .. the 2nd youngest child .. got a full room while his elder brothers were still living within the house .. his room even got it's own stair case.. children that are like that will leash out if they are not given what they want .. my dad grew to be a horrible person .. found my mom who is naive and autistic .. with clinical depression .. he isolated her from her family .. brainwashed her and moved her with him to different places .. all my life we never settled in one place until I was 15 yrs old .. he was always poor [when in fact had a different bank account where he kept all his savings .. to enjoy once he is done with this toy] .. my mom was efficient .. an obedient toy .. she managed the children .. him .. was doing everything for him .. and listened .. yet he had his anger outbursts .. and his scary moments. he used to lock her in the room sometimes .. as a child of a psychopath .. there is no solution .. their brain is ... sick .. you can't teach them anything .. my dad .. in fact is very smart .. he knows how to say everything right .. to manipulate you when he believed 0 of his words .. on papers and in front of others .. he is the perfect dad .. husband ..
in reality .. all that is a show .. you truly can't help them ... the number of times he told us he used to cut cats' tails growing up .. and his mom will just tell him off as if that is equal to making a loud noise .. it is annoying and disturbing.
@@ABirdOnTheMoon hopefully he found the help he needed.
Honestly, it's really scary to have a child and not knowing how their personality will turn out to be.
Unless you're not part of the kids life, not really. It very rarely happens.
@@midnull6009 sociopathy is rare, true, but it has nothing to do with parenting skills.
Sociopaths are born, not made.
No such thing. You make your child’s personality. It’s called conditioning
@@dmf1301 sociopathy has nothing to do with personality
@@exchi no get your facts right
Wow! Emma Hong who played the child psychopath here is AMAZING! This is the most convincing acting by a child actor I have ever seen. She is scary and adorable at the same time. Wish I could see the whole episode here.
It’s on Netflix
@@dejaleighwhat’s the name of the show
@@kookiemuncher257New Amsterdam
@@kookiemuncher257new Amsterdam s2e5
Yeah, how do we get the rest of it?
This is based on a true story of a girl who was adopted by a family and she tried to hurt her brother who was still in a crib. It turned out she was abused by her biological father and was admitted in a psych ward where she got about a year (I think) therapy using animals and stuff. She eventually developed empathy and compassion and lived a healthy life afterward.
Its called RAGE, little girl I believe her bane was katherine?
@@didi7366 It's called Child Of Rage, Beth Thomas was her name
@@larrygonzalez4607 Yes, she's in her 30s, now and I believe she is herself a therapist of children with attachment disorder(s). No word on her brother Jonathan, yet.
@@thatgirl8390 I hope your research is correct coz I'm quite wound up in my own lab to do so. The statement I gave is based on numerous videos that I came across and nothing more.
@@thatgirl8390 Oh no no I'm not offended or hurt. I'm actually glad that you've done your research coz I'm indeed busy in my work. Everything can be whitewashed over the internet and I know that well. So if someone knows the truth its better to point it out, I do the same when there are false scientific facts being supported by those who are not in that field.
I'm disappointed that a Psychiatrist is letting his emotions cloud his judgement like this. You can't help everyone & this child does need to be hospitalized. She's unwell & when she gets angry she's a danger to others. Her brother is lying in a hospital bed cuz of a phone & in the end she manipulated them all to get her way. She needs targeted & specialized treatment so she can learn appropriate social/moral ideals & prep her for the real world
We are all Psychopaths here , dont act like your not
I think that because of this clip you may have misunderstood what he's advocating for. He's not saying she doesn't need to be hospitalized, he just doesn't want her to be sent to a corrections facility. By the way the show made it sound, it seemed like the corrections facility would not have been a rehabilitation center but more of a holding center. In this episode, Iggy is advocating for her to be hospitalized long-term under his care where he would try to help treat and rehabilitate her. Is he the most qualified person as he's not a specialist in specifically antisocial personality disorder? Maybe not. But this episode doesn't really make it clear how many of those types of specialists there are in this show's universe. They do however seem to indicate that he's the preferred scenario to her just being locked up.
@@AlexsTheCat No everyone does not lack empathy. Psychopathy is the lack of any empathy. Most humans are born with empathy. Not all are good at showing it, true enough.
@@m_d1905 yeah well idc idk what i am or you all
@@m_d1905 sociopaths lack empathy not psychopaths
My (former) stepbrother was a psychopath. Actually terrifying. We all walked around the house with tazers until they could get him into an inpatient program. Eventually, insurance stopped paying for inpatient, so they sent him to military school to keep him away. After he physically beat my mother as a teen for finding his secret second cellphone, it was a condition of her marriage to my stepfather that she never had to be around the kid. He was extremely manipulative, and when it didn't work or people didn't believe his lies, he got violently angry.
What did he have a second cellphone for?
Sounds like Israel. 😂
so stepdad knew he was like that. he's lucky he got married after dragging someone's family into that.
@lymint9587 I thought the same thing omg!
It takes guts to say the obvious truth.
Child safety should be priority. There is zero guarantee that boy or anyone will be safe.
At the same time tho, she is a child as well. I imagine it’s difficult to have her safe and under control, with parents that are afraid of that. Her and her brother will be ruined
Actually most psychopaths are not violent. She is rational, and if she learns there are negative consequences to violence, ie she will suffer, she will learn not to use violence, but manipulation instead. A lot of people do not have a lot of empathy but are not dangerous.
she'll be inpatient. did none of you watch the video
You realize you walk this earth with psychopaths daily? Probably have interacted with some without even knowing it.
@@brontewcat Under-rated comment.
This was extremely creepy. I agree that she's impressively manipulative. She was so quick to figure it out too. But that's exactly how they get thru in life. Figuring things out. Learning by watching others and testing boundaries. Its frightening but it's real. We live among psychopaths, some we see and others we don't.
They don't test boundaries so much as slam into them repeatedly out of some moment of poor impulse control and then cleverly weasel their way out... but without properly learning from their mistakes. Which means eventually their "cleverness" fails.
They are less the logical manipulative masterminds people think they are from movies and TV and more of a spur of the moment liar and daredevil without capacity for shame and thus punishment recognition and adjustment.
But you have to understand that, a psychopath, does what they want, because they think, what they’re doing is right. In their mindset, they are doing right.
Based on that, you could be one trying to find a worthy opponent!
@@maxi1ification we can all Google!
@@Jonathanskits thank you google clone,- you don't win!
When she said “…because I can.” I got CHILLS. Oh my god.
Me too. I was expecting her to say because I want to. That she can should have told that doctor what she is capable of.
its ironic because when I watched the confrontation with her brother, I actually believed she meant what she said. the acting was on top.
Wow she just displayed exactly how abusers manipulate relationships. They hurt their partners then apologize to get the "make-up high" (or make-up sex, emotional coddling, etc) then they rinse and repeat the abusive behavior, only to apologize and swear to change to get the "rewards" again, and again.
They know what they're doing.
Yes and many normal people do similar things, without knowing what they are doing and then people consider it OK, because it is not premeditated.
@ritabylsma4244 I find it so weird that we accept apologies without changed behavior at all in society. I've stopped responding to apologies by saying "it's OK" and I started saying "Thank you for apologizing" and some people get so offended by that response.
That tells me everything I need to know about them. It tells me that they're just apologizing to get you to let it go and to escape real accountability.
A real apology involves giving the person that you wronged space to feel however they feel, even if they don't forgive you right away or they don't "let it go" magically the second you say sorry. A real apology isn't predicated on the result, it's just about acknowledging your mistake and vowing to do better yourself.
@@MiraJune742 Well said, thank you. Also, my sister is also called Mira. I never saw another Mira before, always Myra.
Sounds like a ex I had. Then people wonder why I'm not forgiving.
Most abusers are not psychopaths, not every psychopath is abusive in the interpersonal sense.
So he diagnosed her as a psychopath taught her how to manipulate and said everyone should just feel empathy for her....did I miss something wtf
Well said.
Right life wtf😂
this will not end well teaching her that an apoligy get her rewards she will focus her all been on that system to work around it just like the way she did with him
I believe you're missing one very important detail.
I don't think she is JUST a psychopath, she is arguably also a genius, showing that she is way smarter than the doctors initially gave her credit for, likely due to her age, almost instantly finding a loophole in this reward system and happily willing to manipulate those around her to get what she wants. That's not something the average psychopath (or sociopath) is capable of doing.
Frome didn't teach her how to manipulate, it's very clear she already knew how, hence his reaction of shock/surprise while playing the game, as well as why the parents were willing to protect and hide her actions at first. It's very likely she had already been manipulating people off-screen and previously, including those near her.
@@ThePowerofCutleries No one is saying she’s just a psychopath because people who are actually knowledgeable are aware that MOST of not ALL psychopaths are geniuses.
Amazing little actor, she is so convincing as a psychopath it gave me chills to watch her. We have some pure talented young actors around and I hope they get treated well in tv and film world.
As he was explaining the rules, they sounded really messed up to me. From what I understood he was saying if she did big things and apologized in a big way she would be given a big reward. So if she choked out her brother again, but apologized she would be rewarded. In a way isn’t this rewarding bad behavior? I might’ve misunderstood, but I don’t think I did.
ummm this was addressed by the rest of the scene where she uses that exact tactic and he realizes that his logic was flawed and the game wouldn't work.
@@Enriqueta_Fuentes right XD ig they didnt even watch the next t e n seconds lmao
Yeah but he realized the problem when she started behaving bad towards him to say little apologies to get what she wanted without doing what he asked her to do. He backed tracked and probably explained that isn't how she's going to get the phone by being bad and doing apologies she absolutely doesn’t mean. Psychopaths are very hard to treat because they will never understand how others feel. All they know is what they want and because they can't feel they will do anything to get it thus manipulate or hurt. Getting them to understand that behavior is not okay though is possible through treatment, but those parents will never be able to have her in their home for the safety of the other children.
@@anniewallace3601 her brain works differently he didn't explain to her that she wasn't gonna get the phone with the way she was acting. She processed that in order to get what she wants she needs to make it seem like she cares. she knows she is a psychopath and she knows how to get her way. she just needs to learn how to be a person and not a future killer.
@@skaladragon2004 no I think after he got over his shock he probably explained thats not how that works because then he would be rewarding bad behavior. He just did the professional thing of composing himself before proceeding because in the next scene she was in the room with the dollars meaning he said you only get the phone if you earn the 50 by talking to your brother.
Treating a psychopath is hard because he's right she will never have empathy so they have to teach her that behavior isn't okay. He has a lot of work because the parents instead of giving consequences and rewarding acceptable behavior they have covered for her. She has learned that she can hurt things without a consequence and she can't understand the conversation how would that make you feel because she can't feel that.
"She will never have empathy. That's why we have to have it for her"
No, that's the mistake her parents made. Having empathy for her teaches her that she can get away with things even more and still have people feel sorry for her and give her attention.
Yep. Sounds like pathological altruism. That psychiatrist is going to forever be a victim to anybody willing to manipulate them.
She is a child with a broken frontal lobe. She deserves our empathy and as a child deserves to be lovingly protected from her broken neurology. We need advanced and well funded facilities to help parents and children like these. Help may mean safe residence facilities and lifetime care. My heart breaks all around for all sides. She isn’t a monster, they don’t exist. She’s a child born with a serious cognitive defect that didn’t ask for it. Doesn’t mean that you have less empathy for the victims. Punishment based societies are the main problem in our world.
@@michelleoneill7245 A seared conscience.
That’s not how neuroscience works, but ok.
@@michelleoneill7245 I want to like this x 100 times
A narcissistic sociopath. Oh wow, that is terrifying on so many levels: The guy that feed into the kid’s desires and is proud of the "progress" that was made, the parents that enables by turning a blind eye, and the child that added a new tool to their manipulation tactics.
Sociopath and pyschopath are completely 2 different conditions
@@SkyeMae88 i am a diagnosed psychopath and there are differences that i've noticed from support groups that i've attended. sociopaths lose those emotional connections because of traumatic incidents that makes them lose hope in the world and just human connection in general. psychopaths are born with an inability to connect their emotions properly and at times have a hard time with empathy, and therefore display symptoms at a young age. sociopaths on the other hand display symptoms after the traumatic incident and had a good emotional and social connection prior to the traumatic stimulus.
@SkyeMae88 again, you didn't take my information that I'm presenting to you. psychopathy has a stronger genetic association. Scientists think that parts of the brain involved in emotions don't fully develop. Although sociopathy can also be inherited, abuse and trauma in childhood are more common causes. You might need to get checked out for narcissistic personality disorder because I can notice some signs.
"Manipulation tactics" is the only way she will ever operate. That is the point. If you can focus those tactics towards positive behaviour, based on a reward system, then the behaviour becomes habitual and eventually automatic, so there is less danger of violent behaviour.
All sociopaths are narcissists.
All that therapist did was teach that girl how to be an expert abuser. She does what she wants to someone, apologizes, then goes on to do the whole routine again. Sounds like there would be a lot of victims in her future.
*I worked in Mental Health..I was literally screaming at my screen watching*
*this...The therapist? ugh...His philosophy?* *I agree with you 100%*
I agree u can’t fix a psychopath. They should teach the parents to better handle their sick child
Sounds like my dad
The bigger issue though is that since She's the Woman society will automatically believe Her over any Male victim She has.
Which is why it is just as important to teach that a person's own feelings have value and that it is okay to forgive someone but not to forget. An apology doesn't fix the problem, it just marks that the person is aware that you are aware that the problem happened. An apology doesn't mean they won't do it again.
Break a plate, then apologize to the plate. It doesn't un break the plate or protect the other plates from future breakings.
I don't get why parents (of minors) decide to take the blame for abuse just because their kids are young, instead of getting actual help for the kid like therapy or medication or both. Like, you're just gonna abandon your family and go to prison?
They're afraid of losing one or both children. They may also be in denial of how severe the situation is.
You're not a parent, if you were you'd have a little more sympathy. When kids are that young, the instinct is to protect them. So, even though she tried to kill her brother, they don't want her to go to jail, hence why they confessesd. Also, no parent alive wants to hear their child won't get better, or their child is beyond help. What kind of parent are you if you give up hope on your 11 year old? They're aware she's not right, but she'd probably have to kill a family member for her parents to completely let go of their hope.
@@tiffanywatson8316 1. By keeping the abusive kid around the victim kid, you're forcing your kid into a dangerous situation by not separating the two and GETTING PROFESSIONAL HELP AND MEDICATION. 2. The kid wasn't going to jail, she was going to an in-patient facility that specialized in youth with abnormal brain patterns leading to psychotic or sociopathic behavior. 3. By falsely admitting to one child's action, you're automatically LETTING the abuse continue instead of getting help for the child. It's not jail. It's therapy, for Christs sake.
It’s not always easy for parents to see that. They just see their “innocent” children.
because of shame and guilt. because they feel their own defective genes were part of what created the monster. and because they feel they were bad parents.
He just really taught a psychopath how to fake empathy to manipulate other people. Wow
Lol
A person who truly has anti-social behavior disorder (a.k.a., a psychopath) learns how to emulate empathy really early. That character had been manipulating her parents for years.)
lucky kid, i had to learn that myself.... i guess i was lucky to have been the quiet kid BEFORE it was a big deal to be, helped with studying and analyzing everyone and everything they did throughout the day,the cries,cheers,screams, laughs, every last thing people put on display, i viewed and learned.
He taught her how to control her thoughts. As time goes on in the show she actually becomes better. People who fall into the category of aspd and psychopaths need to sadly learn how to internalize everything. It sucks but that's how it is
As many therapists do...
The doctor doesn't even realize that he is her latest victim yet.
lolz
@@SunBunz it's in the script..
I'm sure he does. The way he looks at her, you can tell he is disturbed by her.
Yes he does, he learned in that moment as it happens. It's the family that has no clue. They saw it as "progress!'
tbh she reminds me of stuff i could've done as a little girl if i went down the wrong path
I had a girl like this in one of my after school classes. It was terrifying. The whole family lived in fear of her. They couldn’t keep pets because she’d kill them. Her door had to have multiple outside locks and she couldn’t have stuff in her room because she’d make everything into a weapon. We’d have to keep one teacher on her at ALL times during care hours and she wasn’t allowed in the regular classrooms because she was too unpredictable.
She’d hurt herself and others for no good reason.
Her younger siblings lived in FEAR of her. Honestly she should have been institutionalized but there’s no support for that here. Her mother used to cry and tell us that she knew her daughter was going to grow up and hurt people for fun and there wasn’t anything they could do to stop it.
Yeeeesh, what in the world. That's insane.
Definitely one thing they could do to stop it……as a mother your kids are your responsibility. You bring them in, and if necessary take them away. I adore my son but if he ever hurt people like this, I’d have to send him away.
That poor family. And girl too.
@@strawberrycherrybaby This is the most logical way of thinking , especially when seeing so many young people killing !
@@strawberrycherrybaby exactly. Act like a monster, I’ll treat you like one.
This dialogue delves deep into the complexities of human behavior and the importance of empathy. It's a powerful reminder of the significance of understanding and compassion, especially in challenging situations. Kudos to the creators for tackling such thought-provoking themes.
That entire part before the kudos sounded like something produced by chatgpt, lol.
Empathy is important, but too much empathy is also bad.
The actress that plays the little girl is amazing ! She did really great !
That was quite fascinating to see how psychopaths understand how to bypass a rule within staying in the rules.
I don’t think the reward system was a good way to proceed. She is just going to hurt to eventually have a reward after apologizing.
pauline sanchez Yeah she must be good because so many people in the comments think this is a documentary...
She needs to be punished
It’s good he just needing to explain that you can’t purposefully do something bad to get the reward
So, most sociopaths/psychopaths (there fairly synonymous terms) aren’t violent to the point of just murdering people. They are aware of the rules of ‘the game’, and their solipsistic attitudes understand things can go very wrong for them still. It’s not remorse, but the reward based system they already inhabit.
Many sociopaths are successful in business, law, and even the medical and psychiatric field. There is a terrific Times article written by a successful businesswoman in NYC who is a diagnosed sociopath.
Will she probably assault others? Yes. Will it decrease with age? Usually yes the violence does decrease with age for a time.
Many serial killers are sociopaths, but they are not synonymous.
It was not applied properly.
That child actress, the way she knew to silently mouth "I win" and her unwaving eyes. Woah! Gave me chills! I knew the doctor lost the moment he sat Juliet down. She is more manipulative than he could handle. Worse of all, he's doing what her parents are doing, teaching her how to get away with things she's done.
You people really floor me. Only seeing the surface of things. So if somebody was dying of stomach cancer you would most likely say "but you LOOK fine." She manipulated him, but just with subtle looks he cleverly out manipulated her. And at first he let her win a few times, playing dumb until he very cleverly acted like he just caught on to her and said he wasn't playing. He had to let her see her "wins" so that when she started to oblige him she'd be able to see the difference of winning in a more reasonable way. The man was a genius. In 5 minutes he had her out the door apologizing to her brother. Fake though it may have been to her, she wasn't able to do it for a while due to her pride and ego.
she smart as well she could probs be a lawyer or a businesswoman with those tactics 😭
I work with kids and there is this one child that just gives me a gut feeling he is going to be known in society... he has this blank stare and this smile... perfectly acknowledging everything you say but then doing exactly what you said not to while laughing & having a blank stare... creepy
I worked with an extremely aggressive kid who was also manipulative and a habitual liar. When he saw something he wanted he always wanted to “trade” the other kids-which was actually him threatening to hurt them if he didn’t get his way. He also had deep seated self hatred. I told my colleagues that he was going to be in prison for an extremely violent crime when he gets older. They didn’t believe me, but I have a strong feeling.
Trust your guts. You both have enough experience to know. My mother was an educator all her life and she said that although it’s politically incorrect to say, experienced educators like yourselves, can tell a child’s basic personality by the age of 4. She also had worked with a few dangerously psychopathic children.
When you work with children you just know when one's off. They just aren't normal. Sadly a lot of parents don't listen to us. As a camp counselor if only 19 yrs old I told the director of one of Camp Fire Girls about a kid, but she nor the parents listened. It's been 30 years and I always refer back to that case. If the kid has already progressed to unliving animals, we all knows what that means. He was surrounded by the mountains of north Georgia it was to easy for him to get away things.
I lucked out, I worked in a facility with about 6 middle school aged kids like this- pre-diagnosis for Sociopathy. They collectively manipulated the staff as a group to avoid doing school work there and when they were told to do schoolwork they would flip desks and broke the doors in the building to a pulp. This facility also does not allow restraint of any sort so they and I just took the beatings. Absolutely horrible program they let any kid in for their money despite how unhealthy the group dynamic is.
I met one while working as a teacher. He is a very creepy guy.
I know a kid that was like this. She was didn't feel remorse unless it got her something. One time she tried to apologize to me and I said I don't accept it her. Her mood automatically changed to violent. When she can't manipulate someone, it made her aggressive.
I used to be like this, had a severe brain injury and it changed my life. I suddenly started to feel a wider range of emotions and put myself in other people’s shoes. I was never able to do that before, at first I hated it. I cried and then got angry at myself for crying. I think something goes wrong in our brains at birth that makes us act that way, it’s nature not nurture. I hope more research is done to cure people.
@@marshmallow7640 First, my deepest sympathy to you. Second, it would be easier to explain if that was her case. Unfortunately she showed classic signs of a psychopath. She hurt animals with her bare hands. She is sick, and I think she needs a serious therapist
@@justinekrider5803 I used to hurt animals as well before the brain injury. I felt nothing then, in fact I enjoyed it. After the head injury, I feel really really bad about it. The brain needs to be studied more, I hope that little girl receives a miracle the way I did.
@@marshmallow7640 it is interesting how the injury makes a difference…my niece was on her way to be a lawyer… she had a significant head injury… she recovered enough to be a different mind set as she became a social worker..
Justine, that's how you can tell if the apology is sincere or not. If the person is sincere they understand that it often takes time to accept an apology. And that the person being apologized to is under no obligation to accept the apology.
I've had that experience where someone goes to anger if you don’t immediately and fully accept their apology. It's creepy. At the time I was too young to understand, and I thought I had done something wrong. Thank goodness for healing and getting older .
I hate the way the clip ended. You can have as much empathy for her as you please but that won't stop her from trying to hurt you.
Right, because she will come across the wrong one that WON'T have an empathy for HER, and will end her life, real quick.
She is still kid, it’s still hard not to have empathy for her. I hope there is medications out there that can help her.
I hope she is watched carefully but also gets the help she needs.
@@mayya4413 that's the thing..psychopaths r born like that..it's a disease (don't really know if we should call it a disease though) that does not really have a cure or medications..and they r such good manipulators that they will make u believe they r cured and fine but they r actually not
@@mayya4413 There is none .. psychopaths have their brain wired differently .. they don't feel remorse or empathy .. they don't care .. they are just evil .. you can't fix the brain .. not in this case .. I know because my dad is a born psychopath and what did his family do ?! coop with his demands as much as possible .. he terrorized them all .. his sisters used to fear him .. to the degree when my mum married him [she is too naive and sheltered .. he manipulated himself into her life because she was a fragile being and a perfect rat for his experiment] .. his sisters' told her that they are relieved he is finally getting busy with something else ..
so yea .. psychopaths are scary .. imagine casually cutting cats' tails when you are 11 and your family shake it off to being "you" .. no use of punishment .. it is like let him do this because if he doesn't .. he will start hurting his siblings or terrorizing his parents .. so no .. such person is scary .. and she will become much more scary and out of control the older she gets ..
@@mayya4413 It's a drama ffs...
What is most terrifying is how many psychopaths are in positions of power in our world
nah we used to that now
Who wrote this? That poor doctor, he really is the most gullible and ineffective character I've ever seen 😂 nobody would let a known psychopath run you over like that, especially not a kid. The first apology would have anyone stand up and leave to show that you can't be manipulated.
I promise you, most psychiatrists would put that child into a mental hospital for homicidal ideation.
Ikr? He totally let himself be played ...
I am not familiar with this show, but I’m assuming his character is either not very good at his job or is learning as he goes. lol And he let his emotions take over when she offended him.
Bingo!
You hunny seem like hav had real experience and to that well done on being with the patient. Even I'm still in my uniform after my day. And all my brain power. ;) It's okay to not like something ever and especially if someone is abusive to you coherently. I get you I'm also a massive victim. God-
Can we just take a second to appreciate the extremely talented child actor
Sure, and the super poorly written script that she could ALMOST pull off.
This is from the show new Amsterdam, which I loved. I think that little girl deserves an Emmy. She gives a chilling performance…scary that this is reality in some lives.
I thought she was being sincere until she mouthed “I win”….. that was scary…
And you'll be an easy victim for everyone 😆
@@innocentspringrain729 I think anyone who hasn't dealt with someone like this and caught on would be.
Competitive analysis behaviour well being competitive 🎉
@@mossripalextechno6450 Agree. I think people should go through it a bit to become immune. It doesn't fit our sense of reality that feelings can feel so real but have zero depth. It took me over 12 years to realize with my partner, and I still get tricked.
i instantly knew she was manipulating lool when she turned cute. i could've probs ended like this, glad i didn't 😭
With kids like her: it is not an IF she kills someone, but WHEN.
The brother is begging to get his ass kicked😂🤦🏽♀️ Both of them would get on my nerves
That’s not true, not all children who are like this and diagnosed with this illness will kill someone. It’s actually a smaller percentage. To categorize and speak that over people is horrible.
Not at all, this is just a harmful stigma. Like the other commentor said, only a small percent of people with this disorder actually kill people.
To bad there is no way to put down rabid people like this.
@@2_blAck tf did the brother do
The girl is an incredible young actor. She had her entire audience believing her pathology. Good job! I'm sure there'll be many roles to portray in her future. 👏🌹
Honestly, a kid who is extremely empathetic but uses that empathy to manipulate and hurt others in the most personal ways, seems a lot scarier than someone who lacks empathy.
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She has cognitive empathy which means she can recognize emotions in others but she doesn't have affective??? Empathy which means she herself can feel someone else's emotions but she can still read others emotions
Psychopaths are able to read and name the emotions another person is experiencing.
They cannot FEEL another's emotions( no empathy)...but they can NAME and detect another's emotions....one way of manipulating people.
Cognitive empathy versus affective empathy.
@@wandmayeslupik6302basically real empathy vs. fake.
@@ronig3952it's no such thing as fake empathy, just different aspects
I think the Doctor forgot to say: Apology only works if the person she apologized to accept the apology... forcing an apology isn't the way to get pass these things...
In real life, when someone makes mistake they can apologize, but it's up to the other person whether they can accepted the apology or not. Don't forget that people got hurt and needed time to get over it, especially when someone made grave mistake towards them (like unintentional child neglect etc)...
Just saying... and I know this was a disorder, but teaching them the logic of how things usually work could give them more insight.
But also, this kid need professional therapy to lead her towards better future. She's only 11...
The same with repeating bad behaviour. An apology without change is just a lie.
Telling to apologise and everything okay or insinuating it is just rewarding the bad behaviour.
excellent point. I hope to instill similar values in my children. A word is not the healing action.
I am onboard with you.
I don't understand why they didn't use the most logical answer. She goes to jail if she doesn't 'play' nice. From what I know psychopaths are quite logical.
I couldn't even imagine how hard it would be to have a child like this. To be afraid that your own child wants to hurt you would just break my heart. I've seen shows of families that go through this and it's a horrible way to live. To go to bed scared is just unimaginable. So sad.
My sister is like this, never choked anyone because her manipulation did a better job.
The thing is, is something that always remain undiagnosed, I figured out that my sister condition had a name when I was so much older.
Wow, it's scary to know there are people like this 11-year-old in the world.
Then let me scare you just a little bit more.
Psychopaths are overrepresented among the prison population (as you might expect), however they are thought to also be overrepresented in top corporate and political positions too.
I had a student who was like she when she was 7. It was definitely terrifying.
Not all psychopaths intentionally hurt people, they are all over.
My sociopathic niece had been able to do this trick since she was 6 y.o.
@@VeritasAbsoluta I believe that. I marvel at the thought processes of politicians. I also find politicians scary.🙄
That girl is an incredible actress.
Psychopaths don’t automatically become killers, they just don’t feel the normal feelings or have the normal filters. She’s an extreme example of what happens when the person don’t have limits as psychopaths can be successful business men and women without hurting others.
Wrong. They have no compunction about hurting others, they just might not do it physically.
@@AhNee sociopaths are able to develop cognitive empathy, idk about psychopaths though.
@@Isafoodie It's a no for psychopaths
@@sharersale6480 oh okay thanks!
OP is correct btw.
As someone extremely empathic and sensitive, this scares me to the highest level
Well it’s a TV show that stigmatizes and dramatizes this condition. Most people displaying psychopathic tendencies end up living a very normal life. They may not feel empathy like us (which is something we SHOULD feel grateful for, instead of using it as a way to demonize those with conditions).
@@PhysicallyAwake exactly, well said. The dramatic psychologist in the comments are annoying and talking horseshit
Well, it is up to Delohine how she feels about it. Don't gaslight peoples antennas. 🙂
I'm the same way, it's worse if you're a guy and sensitive:/
As someone who also self-diagnosed manipulative and good at lying, i am afraid i might be one 😢
I had two psychopaths in my class as a teacher . Obvious signs, obvious behavior. They were in SPED classes but they ran circles around the specialists. They respected me because I told them all the time I needed to check what they told me. They would tell me they hated me and I would just smile. They didn't like me because every time they lied and faked their emotions I called them out on it. They knew I knew they didn't care. One kid completely destroyed a classroom and another kid beat up the smaller kid: and the specialists would give us all these empathy building games and stuff. Hate to say it didn't work. Those kids ended up having to be in specialist institutions and schools.
YEP I worked in one of those special institutions for their schooling. They manipulated the staff collectively and each other since it was a small group of sociopaths. Horrible dynamic that is looked over and not changed for the sake of money and greed by the organization
They're more common than anyone wants to admit.
A normal therapist would NEVER require that a person - child or otherwise - apologise or practice it without establishing the foundations of why a person doesn't apologise. It's also an imposition on the client to dump your perceptions of forgiveness onto them especially when the act itself doesn't necessarily mean sincerity & understanding.
Considering her inherent pyschological condition, she is UNABLE to feel apologetic. The therapist already knew this about her but still attempted his lil game. Stoopid.
It took me Multiple sessions with my Therapist to get to a level where I can talk to my mom and establish boundaries with her. It didn’t happen over night . It took MONTHS .
@Madame d'Badger he's not just a "therapist" but a psychiatrist. It requires a bit more... assertiveness.
Truly the wrong way to handle the issue though
My father and mother were both like this,not only physically but they were masters of psychological torture. I moved clear across the country to get away. They passed a few years after that. THANK GOD
@Madame d'Badger It gets worse as they get older from what I've read. Narcissists and sociopaths are at least 10-15% of the population.
@Madame d'Badger my Dad has ASPD too, I’m barley around him. He changed his ways kind of, he used to be in and out jail alot and he didn’t work. He was also really mean and cruel emotionally and physically. He doesn’t do the stuff he used to anymore but I think it’s just a mask he’s putting on. I feel bad that I still love him but I can’t help it. I think I’m trauma bonded to him in a way.
My heart goes out to you. I pray you have found some solace in knowing they can no longer hurt you. I hope you have found healthy ways to deal with the trauma you suffered from having detached parents, and found the love every single one of deserves as a human being. Best wishes in all your endeavors.
Wow. Must have been quite difficult for you. But you are obviously extremely intelligent to be able to both figure them out AND to escape from them.
Mine too, sis.
They need to stop rewarding this psychopathic child. That’s the problem
My sister is a psychopath and was diagnosed at age 8. She is an absolute monster and the scary part is she has 5 children.
I am sorry to hear that. Can you give one example of the worst manipulation she has done? I would like to understand them better.
@@Random_Wierdo. I dont think they should be describing it unless they're already doing so. It's tough already to go through it.
@@pip.pip.pooray why not it would help other people like me who may possibly be going through the same situation although I’m not very sure that’s why I would like to understand them better
Poor children.
Are you sure? Psychopathy isn’t usually diagnosed until someone is 18 years old. However she could have been exhibiting symptoms early as 2 years old.
Isn't he teaching her how to manipulate others? You know, skills that she can use to take advantage of others and possibly hurt them? I don't know if that's such a good thing... idk. It's difficult because it's a disorder.
Update: I hear what y'all are saying. I just kind of see it in the sense of what is she going to do when someone inevitably says no or that they don't accept her apology? Life's not perfect and people don't always respond/react the way we want them to. What will be her reaction then? But I'm not a psychiatrist/psychologist so take my words with a grain of salt. I'm completely willing to admit I may be wrong lol
It's a fairly common technique in psychology. You start small, playing by their rules (the reward system) and hope that over time they start doing healthy things (like apologizing) out of habit
She was going to that naturally anyway. Here he is trying to create positive habits
Ya he is doing a really bad job...
Yeah it feels like he's teaching her that hurting people is even more rewarding than it was before.
Eventually, God would send someone to correct her, that's what I assume.
The child actor who plays Juliet is absolutely brilliant…very talented young lady.
I disagree that Frome taught Juliet how to manipulate. Juliet is a clever psychopath from the start. She was quick to find a loophole in the doctor's game and exploited it. Too quick. A quickness that I attribute to a genius. Perhaps it's parental instinct to protect Juliet and take the blame for her, but I daresay that she took advantage of their love offscreen.
She exhibits no fear and perhaps even joy when she knows she angered Frome when she ignores his instructions to play the game properly and even spit on his face, a stranger.
She's the most dangerous kinds of psychopath.
EDIT: I take it back. She DID enjoy it. She gloats over her success in fooling everyone for the phone with a smile.
I don't think she should be around others. She will always be too selfish to care for others
@@nicholerubes2959 I don't think she should too. The bug house is where she should be at all times.
Who's more scarier as a kid? Juliet from New Amsterdam or Henry Mesner from Law & Order: SVU?
Psychopaths are devious, not clever. They’re actually very stupid.
@@chrishenniker5944 You know this from personal experience? Regardless, the world is large. There's bound to be a clever psychopath somewhere. Vile the day we meet with one.
That poor boy is going to suffer. I lived his life. It’s terrifying.
That kid is truly scary. I hope that the actress goes on in t.v., films. She's got talent, potential.
The girl depicted very good how a psychopath would behave. And I can´t help to imagine how after the scene was shot the girl actually apologized but the other actor complimented her.
Child psychopaths/sociopaths are terrifying. And the parents always try to f#$king protect them!
Fr, like I get it, she's your daughter, but what about your son??? Is he not your kid too?
@@cringefailtastic exactly id be afraid for the other sibling
It's never that simple. The one thing that child pychopaths/sociopaths will always have is someone (a parent) who Wholeheartedly Loves them. It's not that they want to place anyone in danger for the child, but they will go through every possible scenario to save the child. They will use every ounce of Hope they have, even their life if it meant saving that child. It's not just about saving that child's life but saving that child's Soul. It's a Spiritual thing, a very heartbreaking mission at that.
Wouldn't you
@Harry Snothead Agreed. I’d send the kid away to protect everyone else, including my pets. Best thing for everyone, including the kid with the ASPD/psychopath diagnosis.
At the end, where the doctor said “we have to feel empathy FOR her“ I believe he was expressing that she would always need people around her through whom she could understand how to behave empathetically. It was like saying yes, she will always be emotionally blind, so she will always need guidance from others. Whether she could, with intense attention, eventually live in society remains to be seen. Narcissists also lack empathy, and while they have toxic traits, they can learn to live among us, sometimes all too well, but at least without the same risk that they will dismember the family pet.
Narcissists destroyed my life and are worse then psychopaths. Watch hg tudor so you can see how monsterous narcissists are.
This reminds me of a child at my first placement. The child centre was using positive reinforcement with the children. This kid would push another girl and make her cry. The educators would than ask he to hug her. After he did that, the educators would say good job. After a while, the kid would deliberately push her than hug her immediately afterwards.
...terrifying, absolutely terrifying. but the actress of the girl is like.... crazy good. I think the world needs to keep an eye on her.
Oh this little actress is going places. Well done, young lady.
He just taught her how to be more evil.
This actress is playing this role to good🫣😱
Agreed
Teacher her how to be great at business
Narcissists and Psychopaths tend to use therapy or interventions as merely a lesson of where to cover up.
Actions always win in drama
I think this is based off the case of Beth Thomas who's interview is available on youtube. She was brought to a facility that ran off a reward and responsibility system. She actually ended doing very well after some time and even went on to become a nurse for children. It took some time though of course. Also, the term psychopath is outdated so it would have been nice to see the show use the right diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder so we can continue destigmatizing those with this disorder
As someone who has been on the receiving end of a psychopath's attention, hard pass on destigmatizing that disorder. They don't care, and neither should we.
@@jamiemetzger1403 I'm sorry that happened to you. It sounds like it's been traumatic. When I talk about destigmatization though I simply mean through a preventative lens. If destigmatizations leads to more education and awareness, then we can see more individuals with these disorders brought to treatment (whether willingly or referred) to then hopefully see some prevention for victims. The solution has to start somewhere. But this comment is not to devalue your experience, just shed light to an overall systemic issue. Hope you have a restful evening
I think Beth Thomas' case was different because she suffered from extreme childhood trauma and neglect. I read that psychopaths tend to have different brain structures that prevent them from feeling guilt, shame or empathy. While therapy should be a must for such individuals so I don't think reward system would be a good approach to keep them from hurting others.
@@jalapenocheese6839 yeah that's why I mentioned based and not exact. Beth Thomas and her brother came from abusive backgrounds, and many children who develop anti-social personality disorder often also endure adverse childhood experiences that then alter their schemas and life perceptions l, thus developing a personality disorder. Every case is different of course and should be treated differently to obtain the best results, I agree
beth Tomas wasn't a psychopath. she had been severely abused and this caused brain damage. she couldn't form emotional attachments because the attachments that were supposed to be safe for her were pretty close to deadly. she didn't learn to feel or fake feelings she learned safety which allowed feeling which is very different from what they showed in this clip. A psychopath lack empathy but only one-third of people diagnosed with AsPD antisocial personality disorder are considered psychopaths
That feeling when you think you're going to watch a documentary and you wait.
The other doctor (?) was right. It was terrifying! And the doctor who is so desperate to prove himself is just creating a bigger monster out of her.
People with these mental conditions need to be placed in a secure place for them and others. It’s not about punishing anyone not responsible for their behavior, but to protect innocent people. Yes we need to have empathy for all, but it is our duty to prevent damages as much as possible without being inhuman.
A doctor actually suggested that in an interview. (Can't remember the show)
However, he said such a thing would not be created in our lifetime or your grandchild's lifetime.
It will take many many more years, and many more generations for what you have said.
That’s excessive it’s not like we are going to just harm anyone
@@Heenfio that's why I think there should be some opportunity for kids born this way to learn how to blend with society without harming anyone, a sort of rehabilitation program. statistically there are a lot of people with aspd in various work fields and especially high stress ones like law and the medical field because many seem to flourish in those environments, but we only see the violent ones on the news so many believe that violence is inherent. People who are a threat to innocents should be kept somewhere away from them, but we shouldn't admit people for crimes they haven't but might commit in the future, and it also shouldn't be exclusive to those with apsd because plenty of people who are capable of empathy have done horrific acts too. At this point I'm basically describing jail I think lol
@@Sandstimes you wrote a whole paragraph, but I'm wondering if you even noticed the person you replied to said, "we" as in describing his/herself to be like that of the psychopathic character in the video.
First off whoever played Juliette is a fucking amazing actor. Second, child psychopaths r extremely scary and so impressively manipulative. I had a friend in elementary school who physically and emotionally abused me for years and I’m certain that she was callous and unemotional. I remember we were in the principals office together being talked to about what was going on between us. I remember she kept telling the principal how much she loved me and how she desperately wanted me to accept her apology and we could become friends again. She bought everything she said and scolded me for my behavior and I’ll never forget when the principal turned around to answer a phone call, she looked at me and smiled. It was really scary
"Friend"?
this episode was insane because this happens in families more than we think
My younger brother had a form of antisocial personality disorder. He did not harm animals or young children though. He was actually protective of them. But it was truly something watching him "read" a person (watch how they react to what he said or did) and then watch him change tactics if he wasn't getting the response he wanted. He was very manipulate.
Which season and episode
All he did was teach her what emotions and empathy look like/sound like. He is helping her gain victims. Her brother will be back
A coerced apology made for iggy bucks or any other kind of bucks is not only pointless, it's counterproductive.
If you can't reach empathy, you can't win.
I knew someone who was psychopathic and he hated every s3cond of it. He couldn't connect with people, couldn't understand why people didn't see things his way and again, you can't really tell him he's wrong because in his mind it makes logical sense and it does, it's just not in line with most peoples emotional functioning and moral coding. He also functions on a reward system of sorts that he sets for himself, a set of rules and guidelines he puts in place that he follows as to not do things that he knows aren't acceptable. It was scary a lot of the times, knowing most of what he was doing was intentional rather than unintentional, that he had to make himself be good and nice to fit in better and he did it very well. But I am still grateful towards him, as someone consumed by their emotions and their fears on a constant basis and requires a lot of rationalization and reasoning and Logic, he was a great help with a lot of that. Psychopaths aren't all always hateful and spiteful people, but they are all capable of it due to their distinct lack of empathetic response to anything. They don't need a reason other than "they're right" to hurt you, but the fact that they still make an effort just to live inside the same little box as the rest of us is enough for me.
i like your comment a lot. it's balanced, experienced, and compassionate. i hope we can figure out one day a cure for it. it's really scary but cant blame it on them either. the way nature works is terrifying sometimes.
That is an example of why children and adults become serial killers when they don’t get there way ; when they are told no; when others disappoint them. They have no skill set to cope with it so they lash out at whatever is in their way.
Giving in to every whim makes a much worse monster than making a kid mad once in a while. This child has antisocial behavior and psychopathy. She is unable to feel remorse, regret, empathy or shame. Much different than most children. You teach your children through their empathy how to deal with disappointment and anger.
keep in mind she's a phycopath . there is no cure for that . she has to be placed somewhere she can't hurt other unsuspecting people .
Normal people learn that life doesn't always give them whatever they want and adjust. If they experience severe abuse and neglect, some predispositions in their psychological make up might result in sociopathy. Many killers are sociopaths.
The terrifying child exhibited psychopathic characteristics...an innate deficit in emotion, complete lack of empathy which can be imaged on brain scans. No external conditions, injuries or complications...they re born that way.
Also, there is a genetic component. Most psychopaths will report that they have or had family members with similar traits. We've all known one, or more frightening, are related to one.
not really? the girl in the vid was a medically diagnosed psychopath. it's not that she "didn't have the skill set", she is medically incapable of empathy. she never lashed out at anyone: she choked her brother because, to her, it was the easiest way to get his phone, then she pretended to be emotional at the end because she learned that emotional manipulation is a better way to get what she wants
it's not the same as children and adults who are spoiled or entitled or whatever point you're making in your comment, because this girl will never be able to feel sorry, or ashamed or guilty. she is medically incapable of it
A general rule when dealing with kids of any variety: always outline the exact terms of any agreement. Kids understand agreements, but they also understand that they may be able to get away with stuff if they can find loopholes. Clearly the doctor was not trained in dealing with psychopaths since he left the terms extremely exploitable.
Having empathy for a kid is one thing. Cool and all. Having empathy for an adult is something completely different from having empathy for an adult who hurts someone else. At that point empathy doesn't matter the damage is done people are hurt
That’s why you should feel empathy for them as a child.
It’s obvious that psychopaths need attention and care as a child, this helps them develop into healthy life styles where they aren’t hurting people. Especially therapy that doesn’t involve a reward system (that’s just bad, it leads to manipulation)
If you encourage or tolerate this behavior (such as the parents in this clip) or demonize them, you’re going to end up with the same result and people WILL GET hurt.
@@PhysicallyAwake idk why y’all care about kids like this why waste time doing this when we can care for kids who deserve it. i’d cut this girl so fast if she was around me. they don’t change
Wow, she had me fool when she spoke to her brother. I was like, “awe, she just wanted to connect. We had a break through.”
This so so true in all levels. A lack of Empathy is key trait of psychopaths. They will never have it so you can’t ever change them. Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow affect, glibness, manipulation and callousness.
I've taught children like that.... chilling: Extremely manipulative, devious and utterly cold and cruel with no guilt, shame and absolutely no remorse... and no empathy. They do not feel..They lie, deny, deflect and gaslight with such conviction Their apologies are always disingenuous and self serving.
This episode could be a great movie by itself. The little girl would do a phenomenal job! She gave me chills
I’ve worked with kids like this. It is SO HARD, it takes a really really strong individual and you have to get lucky and have them like you
This is not how it works you have to teach her what empathy is and how others show it and how to mimic it not to manipulate but simply fill in the blank with the right emotional response when needed
The catch-22 is she'd have to care enough to want to learn, to "do better".
What she needs to learn is to fear punishment, so she can learn how to operate on a socially acceptable level in order to avoid said punishment.
Just look at 'Dexter', for example.
Agreed, but there has to be self-interest. If she doesn't gain anything from fitting in with society, she won't.
It'll start out as letting her manipulate others, followed up with teaching her to act empathetic in order to plan ahead and keep her options open.
She'll still have her personal motivations, but she'll act considerate by default
@@JakkFrost1 supposedly fear doesn't work with people like her either
@@JakkFrost1 psychopaths are terrible in judging the consequences. And they don't care much what will happen to them later, too, I think. I mean, some, sure, I guess. But some just wirk on the immediate consequences, no long term or potential ones considered.
@@kathrinbauer5358 yeah, just realized myself that wasn't quite the right word, but atm I'm tired and can't think of a more appropriate word for avoiding undesirable outcomes or circumstances.
Heh. Problem is is this is based on real life issues. My sister was like that and still is. I can spot this stuff a mile away and have known about it since I was 7 years old how manipulative she was. She's just as ugly now on the outside as the inside. I'm sure things aren't as peachy for her as they were. Am I mad? No. I feel sorry for her because despite everything, she's my family. I won't ever go near her again though. When she started hurting MY family I cut that off.
My sis is the same . She is not as psychopathic and dry as this child but she is as harmful as she is . I too had to cut her off after she started going after my parents . And as you said , because of my prolonged exposure to her , i can smell people like her from a mile away. Take care . Please feel free to talk to me if you want to . People like us should stick together as much as we can .
Good for you, having conflict is actually a healthy human concept and to remind us that the Earth can in fact smite us in ONE night. Also, is the other comment not loading on your end or is the site turning cray-cray than usual?
My sister too. Cold as ice. Lies and manipulates. Ghosts everyone who is not important to her.Totally selfiish.
@@tessariles4488 Take care .
@@XSilver_WaterX Yeah, what comment?
That girl’s acting was terrific. At least I hope it was acting. I got emotional because I could see myself in the role of the parent.
This girl is scary AF... Respect for this little actress!
The fact that she understands what she's doing is wrong well not really fully understands but that she under stands that there's something wrong with her and that she understands she's different and doesn't know how to express how she feels without being angry all the time should show a little bit of progress
Didn't you see when she mouthed "I win" after leaving the room. That was an act to manipulate them all.
See thats the thing. Its called manipulation
@@mhojaifa1110 yup they psychopath learn how to mimic real emotion to manipulate people into getting what they want. They aren’t all dangerous but some can be.
Wow. You managed to run right into the telephone pole of manipulation despite being told it was happening by the show itself. Amazing.
Nope, she is AWARE it's wrong.... she lacks the capacity to comprehend nor care why. You fell for it. Emmotions are a mask of convince for them
I really miss this wonderful TV series!! New Amsterdam was so well written with very interesting character development. So many truly provoking story lines in every episode.
Him: “why do you want to hurt them?”
Juliet: “because I can”.
…chilling to think that this is a real disorder.
It's no excuse from her.
If it’s comforting, most people with psychopathy or anti social personality disorder (aspd) do have normal lives and learn that it’s not okay to do that. Most movies and tv shows dramatize mental disorders and often get things wrong. Which often leads people to the wrong conclusion of the mental disorders being depicted. From autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, ASPD, etc. Never seen an accurate representation of mental disorders before. Probably some out there but I haven’t seen it.
@@IndividualFreeman5475 nobody said it was...
@@adolphaselrah9506 not comforting to me. just knowing they are very capable and might even be willing of doing horrible selfish things, nope count me out. i wish to never meet them.
i don’t understand why parents choose to protect their literal psychopath kids when they know exactly what kind of monsters they are
(Take this with a grain of salt since I'm not a professional in this field, but:) The thing is, the parents don't know what's wrong with their child- like what they said before, other doctors have said she may have schizophrenia or ADHD when in actuality, she's a psychopath. Even though their kid is displaying violent tendencies they just cover it up because they're probably in denial. It is their child after all.
The psychiatrist/doctor(?) is most at fault here, since he's the one who should be more equipped to handle situations like this, but instead, he unintentionally encourages her behavior.
Because dear in, for the children who we love with all of our hearts we have that h word - hope. Always, always hope that there will be change for the better.
I don't understand either but what does one do in this kind of situation? I wouldn't know what to do if my own child is diagnosed as such.
I am lucky to have parents who taught me to be responsible enough to take the consequences of my mistake by myself not being saved by them. I was taught at a very young age to be respectful and responsible. I owe them great gratitude.
Wow, that's terrifying
I'm terrified of having a kid like this.
I think I met a teen
Psychopath this summer. She was extremely stoic and cold, her smile was fake, and she stood in corners of rooms like a still block of ice watching people instead of sitting among them. At the end of my encounter with her, she asked me to help her with something. She’d baited me in by bringing up a topic that she’d previously figured out I was passionate about (I don’t even know how she got that information-very scary). She wrote me an enormously articulate, almost robotic-sounding follow-up text message asking me to deliver on the favor only hours after meeting her.
I never responded. Feels weird because I’m usually eager to help young people, but something tells me that helping her would be helping a dangerous psychopath move up in the world. Absolutely not 🙅🏾♀️
Just cx she stood or sat alone u termed her psychopath? What if she was just an autistic introvert kid? They have difficulty mixing socially. That’s very wrong on your part
@@user-xe1lx1pg9q Or they actually DID meet a psychopath and determined that they wouldn't help her. What would have happened if she was a psychopath? Would you help her? As you determined that she might be a "autistic introvert kid"? That's wrong on YOUR part.
@@user-xe1lx1pg9q You make a good point. but it wasn’t just the ‘sitting alone.’ It was more that she was standing over the room observing in a very calculated manner. Followed by several behaviors afterwards which definitely pointed towards psychopathy. I’m pretty sure what I was observing was not spectrum behavior.
Wow.. judgemental AF !! And also not genuinely nice ..you only help people you like.
You disappointed a quiet girl and did not help her "move up in the world" just for being introverted
So scary !!
@@salmamahmoud6037 no. I’m an introvert. What I saw was not quiet, introversion-it was calculated psychopathy. I will not be helping her.
The girl also showed signs of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).
I was waiting for the doctor to realise that he is not teaching her to be more considerate. But rather hide her psychopathic behaviour to eventually able to harm more people.
You can't cure some people with therapy. You can't do it with ADHD, you can't do it with psychopaths. And trying to impose that on a psychopath who is harming people around them. Is eventually trading lives of multiple people around her to only hers.
All people who are making comments about the girl’s frightening behaviour are inadvertently paying young Emma Hong the highest compliment an actor can receive. YOU. BELIEVED. IT. 10/10 for that kid’s acting chops.
6:20 She’s worked it out big time. She’s manipulating people to get what she wants. My worst nightmare.
Scary 😧 Puberty is gonna be hard. Her rewards system has to be aggressive to keep up with her development and external influences
lmao. . . They are actors. . stop taking it so serious
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No one can provide someone else's missing empathy.... it is not possible... you wind up being an enabler and put at risk anyone she comes in contact with.
Hats off for the child actor she's really good
i’m glad i found this. my sister has schizophrenia, adhd, and odd and this is how she is. it is really hard. she’s really manipulative. she’s stated my parents are abusive, etc. it’s so scary
Hauntingly my 4 year old son is showing these signs. And it’s kinda scaring me , it hurts me. Because as a mom if I one day have to give up the only son I have it’s gonna leave such a big hood in my heart and will make me feel so guilty at the same time
Boundaries. Put them in place. Do not accept the unacceptable.
@@solidcatink boundaries mean nothing to these types of people. You think her parents didn’t. She is just that manipulative. Doesn’t matter what you do. She is smart enough who to do it around. How much to do it. And when to do it. You can teach your child all you want to. It’s up to your child to listen to your words and guidance or not.
None of this helped her work through taking “no” which is far more important and difficult than establishing a reward system. It is also far more relevant to the problem of abusing her family.