Wayne Rooney, Roy Keane & Andy Cole on the Premier League potentially scrapping VAR
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Wayne Rooney, Roy Keane & Andy Cole share their thoughts on whether the Premier League should scrap VAR after it was announced that clubs will vote on the possible abolition for next season.
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VAR just shows how poor some referees are at their job...
We have already seen how poor they were before VAR existed, much more frequently in fact. The recency bias around refs and VAR is funny.
VAR is NOT the Problem. The problem is when VAR can’t over-rule the referees decision which is stupid and creates all the controversy !
@@ronnie9891 VAR should be scrapped has not in one way helped officials and it sucks all the enjoyment out of football
Its corrupt
Mic the refs up , simple fix
VA is fine, the R is the problem
Best
Wrong again
To be honest Var has been horrible and suspicious
@@rayhankhan8992but it wasn’t var tho it’s the people using it hence the VA being good but the R being bad
VAR is NOT the Problem. The problem is when VAR can’t over-rule the referees decision which is stupid and creates all the controversy !
Recency bias in its finest, back in the non-VAR days. There seemed to be a robbery every weekend of a disallowed goal or a clear offside being allowed.
It was exciting though
There’s still a robbery every week😂😂
Which just shows how bad the refs are
And there still is, and it stops play
@@RobK32 It was NOT exciting seeing your teams goals ruled out for offside when it was actually onside and certainly NOT exciting seeing your opponent score when they were miles offside and it not be ruled out!!!
@ClarenceBoddicker87 ESPN did a report on this over 4 years pre VAR
Liverpool lost around 15 points ever y single season to incorrect calls,
To say it evens out without any data to prove it , is just gaslighting
The fact that this is even in consideration is embarrassing. This isn't a talking point in any other top league because their respective referees and FA's aren't blindingly incompetent.
It's like saying "People are really bad at driving these new fangled things called 'automobiles' so instead of teaching them how to drive without killing themselves, we'll just stick to the horse and buggy." It's insane.
Fair point ❤
VAR is NOT the Problem. The problem is when VAR can’t over-rule the referees decision which is stupid and creates all the controversy !
Explain why Sweden voted to scrap VAR then.
By that logic people would still have no idea how to drive cars. They've had years to fix it and it's only getting worse. Scrapping it means every team gets their fair share of good and bad decisions throughout a season. Anyone that wants to keep VAR isn't a true football
The main issue is celebrating goals. As a match going fan I hate it. I can’t really celebrate a goal without thinking it’s about to be ruled out for a toe nail offside or a soft foul committed in the build up
Fix VAR. Don't scrap it. It used to be 100 times worse when an clear error cost your team a win.
It’s way worse when your team is denied a clear decision which has had a group of people watching it on repeat on a tv screen my friend
@@jimcooper1053no
@@jimcooper1053 But far more infrequent than the daily glaring errors we had before.
Clear errors in VAR still cost teams a win…..
@@jwgti2314 Not nearly as often. 90% is better than 50%.
Basically blaming everything on var and not the officials using it
Var doesn't work without refs. they are one in the same thing thats why
If a monkey has a machine gun you remove the machine gun
It's not VAR, it's the refs. We've seen good uses of it all throughout the world.
No it’s VAR.
@@MrLewbaah expand on that
Match going fans want it to go...it's ruined the game. Also, it's rubbish in La Liga too.
How about letting the ref consult a pitch side monitor when in any doubt and leave it at that . Only on pitch officials involved . Have games decided by referee mistakes in not satisfactory either
@@MrLewbaahworked in Qatar World Cup, Works well in the Champions League….
There is a divide between people who actually go to the game and people who sit at home and watch it on TV.
Is there though? I’m a so called “armchair fan” and I can’t stand var. it needs to be scrapped across worldwide football not just PL
@@georgehitchen702 lmao
Var Is 100x better than non var
@@anjolatope-babalola2338 that’s funny because I’d go with 100x better without var
@@anjolatope-babalola2338your crazy.
@@LookatmySquirrelhandsHe's right - it's much worse having clear errors not even appealed. They just need to fix the refs in the VAR room.
Scapping var just because of human error is stupid and a step in the wrong direction.
lets meet in the middle, use var until december and then sack it
@@Mil-w6dso you want a team lose on a offside goal right? Or undeserved penalty?
Love how Cole still calls Keane "skip"
I missed that. ☺🤗
Class!
@@mrwaffle20693:04😂😂😂
My solutions for VAR -
1 - Bring in the semi-automated offside as it seems to work well whenever it's been used (similar to the goal line technology "Hawk Eye" - never get complaints about those decisions now - it just seems to work due to limited human involvement).
2 - No lines drawn for offside - if it's so close that you can't tell from a single still frame within 5-10 seconds, the on pitch decision stands or give the benefit to the attacker for being "in line".
3 - Have time limits on VAR checks - if they can't find an error within the time limit (say 30 seconds showing 2-3 different angles), the on pitch decision stands.
4 - If a penalty or red card offence is missed due to not having the right camera angle shown to the VAR during the check period the player gets an automatic 1 match ban following the game, which can be upgraded for red cards / violent conduct as necessary.
5 - If the referee communicates their onfield decision that the VAR can see is factually wrong (such as saying someone "played the ball" when challenging in the box but video shows they didn't - even if VAR considers there wasn't sufficient contact for a penalty) it should be an automatic referral to the pitchside monitor for the referee to make their new decision - same time limit applies to the referee's pitchside review as would for VAR.
6 - Referee's can ask to carry out a pitchside review of an incident they know they didn't get a good look at, under the same time limits as VAR would have.
7 - VAR officials selected from a completely separate pool to Referee's & Linesmen.
8 - VAR to have a separate management structure to the on pitch officials - including potentially a different organisation running it to PGMOL.
9 - If VAR realises they've made an error or that there has been miscommunication around the referee decision or the VAR decision, they should tell the referee to bring the game back and correct the mistake.
10 - Revise the handball rules - currently too many reasons penalties aren't given due to "subjective decisions" - for the sake of consistency a system similar to UEFA competitions, which removes some of those considerations should be adopted by the Premier League.
11 - Criticism of Referee's by managers, players, club officials, and club social media accounts can more often result in bans & point deductions rather than fines and warnings - cut that moaning out of the game.
12 - this includes an automatic 6 point deduction for any threats to take legal action over refereeing decisions, or attempts to influence the officials appointed to a particular match (or questioning the integrity of referee's) with no appeals - not saying they can't take legal action if they have genuine suspicion / evidence of match fixing, but don't threaten it as a way to try and pressure / influence referees & VAR.
13 - VAR audio should be available "live" - doesn't always have to be broadcast live or played in the stadium, but the TV people can play the audio of big decisions at half time / full time as part of their coverage.
14 - The 2 benches should have a live feed so someone from the clubs can hear the audio& see the images reviewed by VAR in real time so they understand the decisions being made.
15 - If the ground has a big screen, the VAR check images should be shown live to the crowd.
Just feel like the whole idea was rushed. What I can’t work out, is that if you watch the champions league or any other league outside of England, the referees are competent enough to use it. Need an overhaul of tops refs in our league.
If we scrap var now, i guarantee there will be numerous instnaces on the first weekend that pundits will say var would of gor the right decision
100% agree. didn't seem like too long ago when fans were asking for VAR in the EPL because of refereeing errors.
@@MikeJJJemptybladder i feel like you need a hug or something, cheer up
I think VAR would be there for offside call i guess
But var isn't getting the right desicion right anyway
It's a "can't live with it, can't live without it" situation tbh...
When Cole said ill leave that to the skip. Roy Keane needs to wear a skippers armband on in the studio
To me, VAR should only be applied in egregious cases where the on field call is undeniably wrong. Horror tackles for red, clear offsides, etc. When the play could go either way, just let the on field call stand. Being offside by a millimeter makes no difference and there's no way to know that the lines are drawn correctly
sounds suspiciously like what VAR is meant to theoretically be for, i.e. clear and obvious
I once met Andy Cole in Kingston, Surrey absolute legend 😎
As a Burnley season ticket holder who's experienced VAR in the Prem and no VAR in The Championship, not having VAR is so much better. You can actually celebrate goals without that nagging feeling that it may still be ruled out. You also don't have to sit there for 5 minutes having zero idea of what's going on. Get rid!!
Just keep that energy when a wrong discussion goes against you.
I would rather the officials get the correct call
@@brianduru3753 You did read my comment, right? I watch football in The Championship, which doesn't have VAR, hence I'm used to seeing a lot of wrong decisions. I also watched football for 25+ years before VAR was introduced and I know what I preferred. I was all for VAR before it was introduced but it just doesn't function properly. It slows the game down, ruins the fan experience in the stadium and, because football is subjective, loads of wrong decisions are still being made.
@@Hittingitstiff It doesn't function properly IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. If you watch the Champions League, the wait times are a fraction of the PL's, automated offsides takes no time at all, and actually competent refs from varying countries who don't really know each other (gotta break up that old boys club in the PL) are making far fewer errors. World Cup and Euros, you'll see about the same level too. That's what it looks like when properly implemented, so we know it can work, it's just a matter of bringing in proper talent without conflicts of interest and smoothing out the processes.
the issue isn't the technology but it's the way it was implemented and the way it's being used. it's nowhere near as big of an issue in other leagues across the world. scrapping VAR all together would be moving backwards. the EPL needs to change how they're using VAR, not completely get rid of it.
by the time VAR was implemented, a number of leagues were using VAR without issue. the EPL decided to implement VAR their own way which was messy, it didn't make sense, and only upset teams, players, and fans. the fact that the EPL didn't install pitchside monitors until the second season of VAR was insane to say the least.
there are so many things the league could do to make the use of VAR better (better communication protocols, have refs field questions from the media post-game, implement semi-automatic offsides, etc.), this would be a step backwards. i predict that if they were to do away with VAR, then teams who are on the wrong side of decisions will beg to have VAR back.
@@PG-go1os Spot on. Smart businesses fix the problem. They work on continuous improvement of something. They do not scrap it and stick their heads into the sand.
@@MikeJJJemptybladder 😂
The issue is it’s slowing the game down ffs idiot
With automated offside next season, I don't see why VAR can't be scrapped
Autimated offside can't help you with you handballs and fouls
No one in the championship is moaning there’s no VAR. Football without it is miles better
There are almost nightly complaints in the championship lol
@@unconditionalLove1 no there’s not.
Lol people complain about rubbish refereeing in the championship all the time. The standard of refereeing there is even worse than the PL.
The only reason you don't hear about it is that Sky doesn't care about the championship.
I've seen my team score wrongly disallowed goals that would have been awarded with VAR. Still don't want it. One of the best things about lower league football is that there isn't this circus with VAR.
Rugby and cricket use video assistance really well. It still isn’t perfect and they still get a few things wrong but it is all there in the open for spectators to see and hear (or TV viewers at least - not sure about in the ground) and whether you agree or not it can be seen how decisions are arrived at. There is also a clear system of communication between the on field ref and the guys in the video room - not a rabble talking unintelligibly over each other which the prem seems to feel is an acceptable use of the technology. So my thoughts are consult rugby and cricket officials, establish protocols for clear methods of communication, stick it on the screen (every ground has one) and broadcast the audio live.
I feel var would be fine if it stuck to determining clear & obvious errors instead of looking if a player was a mm offside or looking at fouls in slow motion another thing that could improve it is if ex players were doing it instead of refs
Football is a game based around rules. All VAR does is try to make sure the rules are implemented correctly.
People might as well complain that there's a referee on the pitch at all if they can't stand the rules being followed.
The officials need to get better at using the technology is the problem.
82% accuracy for goal decisions to 96% with VAR according to sky sports. You can’t win.
Haha who made them stats up. PGMOL I bet haha get rid can’t wait
Arbitrary percentages - at what cost? The enjoyment of the match going experience.
"There are lies, damned lies...................and then there are statistics" Benjamin Disraeli.
if you'd watch games of football you'd know this is fake stat. each week some club is scoring a goal and gets it disallowed
Even if them percentages are correct most of them would be the offsides they used to be terrible at, don’t think anyone is moaning about the automated offside technology that’s coming in and I don’t know anyone who would want to get rid of that.
People saying it’s the refs and not VAR have never been to a game in their life
Amen! 👏🏻
Goal line tech should stay yes.
Offside calls should be semi auto like the World Cup and UCL.
And limited appeals (like 2 appeals a game) by captains are fair. Have it transparent like Rugby with the ref speaking to the captain and has monitor access that has a Mike there. And scrap "clear and obvious" for "right and wrong" there's no in-between.
Literally wayne said it perfectly. Takes all the enjoyment out of the game.
We’ll have just as many controversies and wrong decisions made if VAR is scrapped.
All it needs is huge reform, so for example have ex players in charge of VAR but as long as they don’t have any association with either clubs to avoid bias.
So for example you couldn’t have Shearer in charge of VAR for a Newcastle game.
I believe that offside technology has been introduced for next season as well which may help.
Getting rid of it would be such a step backwards. Just make it better.
Please just get rid of it
Get rid of VAR
YOUR ANOTHER OLD GEEZER THAT HATES THE NEW WAVE GET USED TO IT
What they should do is give a Team limited amount of challenges they can use per Game like they do in Basketball or Tennis.
2 or 3 per Team should do
Or unlimited calls until they get one wrong. That way players/managers won’t cry over a 50/50 decision, they’ll need to be absolutely certain about it
I dont think fans have a problem with VAR its the inconsistency
Imagine tennis fans and players suggesting they scrap Hawkeye and challenges “because it takes the enjoyment out of the game.”
That’s precisely how football fans sound when they’re advocating for scrapping the whole VAR system.
Sport is absolutely pointless without certain rules being enforced. 3 or 4 humans can’t enforce rules on 22 players in real time.
Don’t scrap VAR. Fix it.
Are you joking. It is literally KILLING our game
@@billymallett297because its not being deployed properly. Need to persevere. If it works in other sports, it can work in football.
Gordon loves it because he plays it better than anyone for us, but even he wants it better 1:17
Get that automated system for offsides but scrap VAR generally. But you know people are gonna complain the other way around if they do 😂🤦♂️
I don’t think u can get rid of VAR now. It’s been implemented and it’s obviously getting a lot right even if some things are wrong. Can we go back to a football where if a goal is scored and it comes from a play involving a foul or offside and it stands, will fans accept that? Would that be right? I think VAR needs to be upgraded. Have we not got the technology for us to have it automatically call for offsides/ fouls? Instead of having someone interpret a foul and take 5 minutes to make a decision based off his own eyes. Instead it should be automatic and it tells the ref a straight up yes or no. Off side should be easy now. It’s a straight line. Get rid of linesmen and have a fully automated offside system. For fouls/ red cards should keep a screen on the side but definitely have a system that tells the ref if it’s a foul by the letter of the law. If the ref agrees he can get things moving quicker, if not he can make his decision and deal with the consequences.
Correct decisions without VAR: 80%
With VAR: 96%
If VAR goes then teams will be winning games by offside goals
Offsides by a toenail though!
@@myleslewis341still off tho
Howard Webb about to be queuing up at the job centre. 😂
Yes please! Remove this VAR nonsense.
I love Var… especially when ur rival fans celebrate and then its disallowed… just priceless
Its only really a problem in the prem
Explain why Sweden scrapped VAR then. There are loads of complaints about VAR in the La Liga too, it’s been a mere in the Champions League as well. This is a load of waffle.
How difficult is it to separate VAR from PGMOL so they stop looking after each other instead of reffing the game? It's the obvious solution.
well said all three of you - get rid!
VAR in the premier league is one of the best I have seen, other leagues don't even show what is being reviewed and take twice the time or more
Scrapping VAR does nothing, in fact it will make things worse. It's the referees that are the problem
VAR isn't the problem. Its the incompetence of the people running it.
VAR works, the idea is great. It needs an independent third-party to run it imo
If they keep VAR, they need to change the offside laws. Being called offside because of a toenail is ridiculous.
I think VAR going would really hurt some teams, like Villa and Tottenham, that employ Offside traps. A lot more offside goals would be getting through against teams like that.
I’ve had to stop watching live football the VAR is that annoying. If they scrap it I’ll be back to watching every week
Only in England😂 Every other major league or competition who have implemented VAR have had no complaints. The referees just need to stop panicking and streamline the process, forget the grey area and decide specifically which decisions require VAR and which is solely in the hands of the referee. Once again proof that the best league has the worst refs.
VAR has been used for 5 years now how has it not even been discussed removing it yet
The season after no VAR seasons fans would debate the opposite and try to bring back VAR
Fans who actually go to the game will understand football is better without VAR. People who watch on the tv do not understand the full negative impact it has on the game in that situation, regardless of a wrong or right decision.
Real Madrid scored a winning goal to get into the Champions League final. That goal was originally ruled offisde. I didn't see any Real Madrid fans moaning when the goal was shown to be onside by VAR.
It’s not VAR it’s the people
Bring in a time limit of say a minute or 2 if it takes longer than that it’s not clear and obvious
Are you joking. It is literally KILLING our game
@@billymallett297Enjoy goals like Lampard 2010 for the rest of your life. Enjoy Chelsea V Barca 2009 for the rest of your life
I get why everyone wants it gone but it just needs better people in charge and have automated offside
In my opinion, VAR is one of the best innovations ever in sports. How many times, did fans have their hearts broken only to realise that goals shouldn't have stood when we watch the reply.
Var for offside seems really sensible. Same as goal line tech. Everything else, keep it with on-field ref.
its tough because it does get more right, however, having gone to a match live a couple weeks ago I can say that its terrible for the match going supporters. I had no idea a goal was disallowed after having celebrated it... i'd keep the offside VAR and maybe scrap the rest. for the most part watching on TV its a bit frustrating but less confusing
Who cares about the celebration, getting the right decision is more important.
Var has proven how poor the officials operating it are
I don’t want them to get rid of it.
VAR is like any tool-it's meant to be used correctly by those who understand it. When someone doesn't know how to use a tool properly, it's not the tool's fault. Other European leagues might not be as vocal about VAR because they might have found a better balance in its application or have different views on its effectiveness. The key is ensuring VAR is used appropriately by knowledgeable officials
I don't want clubs losing points over offsides. I'm so surprised these ex players want that. I remember catastrophic mistakes and there is no getting back to times before VAR. I don't mind that it takes long, it's fair
VAR is also causing excess time added on at the end which means stop start running which is causing more injuries.
Keep VAR. I don't mind the waiting when it clearly reduces (not eliminates) chance of human error.
There's no going back at this point. Only way to go is try to improve it.
Its not VAR its the officials. It works well in other countries. It's the people using it
Ur dunce
Scrap VAR, Football isnt Rugby, Tennis or any other sport. Football is beautifully unpredictable. VAR has affected football 10x more negatively than it has any other sport and its because football isn't meant to be perfect... many great moments over the past century on a football pitch has been defined by a bad ref decision, you win some you lose some, football was perfect before VAR, fans dont want their kids not knowing what the great sport once was...
It's not VAR it's the guys in the room utilising it incorrectly. Get new officials in and put them on trial periods to assess how well they do using the technology. It's been evident throughout the season that even for very straight forward offside calls, the guys in the room literally require minutes to use the tech properly and then make a call.
VAR isn’t there to fix human error, it’s there to optimize it
Coley still referring to Roy Keane as "skip", shows how good he was.
VAR has a place. however, if they cant make a decision in 30 seconds then the on field decision should stand. The ref should never be told to go and watch a replay on a screen either so he can second guess his original decision. Wolves mentioned overreaching in their statement and that defintely feels to me the way it's gone.
For me, the biggest problem with VAR is the insane time wasting.. If VAR official sees an issue with on field ref's call, they should straightaway order the ref to overturn, whether its for a goal or a red card offense..
The only reason VAR becomes so much of an issue and ruins the entertainment is because of these long ass interruptions where all us viewers are doing is watching multiple replays of the calls and they become the talking point
VAR will reduce a lot of limelight on it if it stays out of the limelight and give quick decisions
VAR is not possible but no VAR would be a disgrace.
just put it on hold until AI can instantly make the right decision. AI instantly whispers "goal" in the earbuds of the ref and then players + fans can celebrate right away and they know it counts on the spot.
Ditch it 1000%
People used to always blame referees now there’s 6 in charge of a game instead of 3
I wanna see it scrapped honestly. It definitely hasnt been handled properly and it 100% slows the game down and just frustrates us when a team scores as we have to wait up to 5 minutes to know if it is an actual goal or not. The concept of VAR was appealing but how it has been implemented and handled is ridiculous. Lets go back to proper footy!
This is a PR move from VAR as they know everyone will vote for it
The PGMOL needs to go and study how VAR was used in the Africa Cup of Nations in Feb. It was a masterpiece of VAR usage and turned that tournament which used to be a masterclass in refereeing errors, into a masterclass of how to use technology to complement human expertise for near-perfect results.
Look who are talking.. Keane and Rooney used to be the ones who would lose heads and do something stupid. Pre-VAR they used to get away with that stuff. But now it is quite impossible. It has made the game fairer and spared the agony of that controversial penalty or offside call that would have changed the game.
I don't know one football fan who doesn't want it scrapped, but it won't be because the football league will take the back hander to keep it, that is how the world is run today.
Fix the personnel, VAR can help if used correctly
If they do get rid of it people need to understand that there will be an adjustment period at the start of next season. You let the game go when you know VAR will check it, so refs will have to adjust back to the old way of reffing
Roy Keane saying he accepted decisions back in the day.
Var should be used for offsides only.
Please don't scrap it. Improve it instead..
Improve the system, make the rules work with VAR - like a clear understandable handball rule and keep going until it works.
VAR is not the issue, it's those using it.
I stopped attending matches three years ago. Watching a match is extremely expensive and having paid your money you have to put up with not being able to celebrate goals. Saying VAR doesn't work is a massive understatement. Match of the Day is a poor substitute but even then we are forced to endure VAR incompetence. Actually, for the sake of total honesty, I DO attend matches but exclusively in lower league football and it's several thousand percent more exciting.
Keep it for penalties and red cards.
Not for disallowing goals.
Bring in the semi-automated offside tech.
I feel like there should only be VAR if there is a claim of penalty and VAR should only be reviewing the penalty claim...which is fine because the game would be stopped anyways.
But VAR should never intervene for offside or a foul in the build up.
Maybe allow managers to challenge calls 3 times in a game
Just give VAR full control over any big decisions. We're stuck between the old traditional "ref decision is final" authoritarian type decision and actually getting all the main calls correct by just using the technology at hand. If ref, linesman, var officials aren't 100% certain, have a look. Don't restart until certain.
🤷♂
When it gets scspped watch all this pelt complain the opposite way
Calling for what it was like before is the biggest case of rose tinted glasses I've ever known. Every single week before VAR we were talking about clear offsides or penalties not being called. Human error with VAR is better than the human error we had without. Improve the USE of VAR, make it more efficient and consistent.
EDIT SORRY I'VE BEEN TRIGGERED but ALSO, we can literally see the exact same system being used brilliantly in european and international games, which makes it even more dumb to suggest it can't be successful here. We can literally see it working