Setting pre-set para cord loops post season for DRT/SRT saddle hunting
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Thanks guys for taking the time to bring us these inspiring videos..
Thanks for watching Rich!
simply the best deer hunting knowledge and video you can see.
I appreciate the climbing methods you guys use. They are safe and dont damage trees!
Really enjoying this information!! You guys & Outdoors Allie were my first exposure to this method. I am soaking it up.
Thanks we like her too she's great!
I've watched most of what you've put out, very helpful. I am planning on trying this method for elk hunting and possibly black tail deer too. The tree climbing itself looks fun thanks for sharing
Kendra
Having fun is what it's all about. Thanks for watching and Best of luck !
You're videos are great. I experimented with srt yesterday and it will definitely be my method next year. With pre set paracord loops in my best trees. Thanks!
Are pleasure David ! Doesn’t get more minimalist. Thanks for following !!!
Thanks for another great video !! Looking forward to trying this method this year
Another great video, guys. I hunt mainly SRT now, but I always get something useful from your content. I just picked up 1000’ of paracord, too. I put about 250’ of it on a kite reel and I’m headed out to scout and put up some presets this weekend.
Thanks Kevin !
Another great video. Thanks again guys for sharing your knowledge! Looking forward to July in Baldwinsville.
We are to. Thanks Jerry
Good stuff guys thanks for showing us the ropes!😁
Anytime buddy 👍
Great video! I shot a buck this season when I was kneeling next to an old party balloon! I’m gonna look for sheds and balloons every winter now!
Sounds crazy right. But there’s some truth to it. A Buck wants to bed where the thermals serve him best
Great demonstration guys. I do love how quiet this method is for getting up a tree. (In quietness, I don't think there's another method that can compete with it)
Me too. Or safer
4 weeks from now Aero Hunter will be making my flex in Predator. That gives me a couple of weeks 2 go way back 2 set like 8-10 paracord loops in 1 area & go 2 another area on that property & set a few more. I'm getting pretty good @ the throw bag on my own property. Not a surprise since I am an industrial athlete as well as a high tech minimalist, lol.
Great video, will help guys new to this technique. I use it in spots where a saddle is the only option (which is beyond awesome since no one else likely boogered the spot)- I still move too much & get busted in the saddle, so I use my lone wolf climber whenever I can, need more saddle practice. Thanks Joe & Scott-
Thanks Andy . It takes a little getting use to and it's a nice tool when the circumstances are such that maybe lugging in a stand or the tree is too big for a stand . Nice to have some options to get into the tree you want to be in . In some trees maybe the climber is a better alternative, like in a tree with no limbs. Plus it's just kind of fun climbing with these rope methods
@@NYSaddleHunter You nailed it!, Other than being an effective alternative, it's absolutely more fun!
Awesome video!Thank You
Thanks we really appreciate the positive feedback!!
Great video, you guys got it figured out thank for sharing
Thanks Justin we appreciate the positive feedback!
@@NYSaddleHunter I'm in the process of buying the predator rope, only question I have that I haven't heard answered is does the rope start to get frayed or come apart from all the friction
@@justinrodgers2218 A good quality double braid climbing line like Samson predator generally would last a arborist who climbs with it daily about a year. The equivalent amount of climbing wear and tear would take a hunter many years. My climbing line is 3 years old , we climb often and it's like new still. You should inspect it before and after each climb in case the tree has some metal that could damage the rope but they last a long time
@@NYSaddleHunter thanks for the info, I have hunted out of the mantis this year and love it, but didn't like my climbing option so its drt for me lol love the videos keep it up guys!
just started watching your channel .new hunter what i thought was funny i have been finding those balloons by scrapes many times.
Kind of funny how good spots often have balloons
Scott and Joe, just made a big order with Wesspur. Really looking forward to hunting remote with my new Scott n Joe equipment bag :-)
Hope you enjoy this style as much as we do Mike. Best of luck. I hope you took advantage of the promo code to get the 10% discount
👍. Best of luck Mike. Thanks for your support !!!
Go In Light Come Out Heavy !
good job
My throwball & rope will be here any day. I'm going 2 just do pre-loops on trees I can set & eliminate now so when I get my flex saddle I can tackle the honey holes. I was alone 2 myself on public land way back between the shed hunters & turkey season. I already have over 150 pounds of a antler in a pile. I'm looking forward 2 walking out light in the post season so I can walk out heavy next fall.
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You guys need your own outdoors program you give the average hunter better information than watching the guys on TV now that hunt these big time outfitters. Great info here.!!!!!!
Thanks Kevin we really appreciate that ! We just love this stuff and its become fun sharing it! The struggle is real for us, we're just middle class guys that hunt where we can , not necessarily where we would want to hunt. We can't afford the big managed property or outfitters . Maybe some day . Thanks again !
I’m sure you’re familiar with the RADS climbing technique but that’s my preferred method for hunting. It’s SRT and incorporates a foot loop similar to the method in this video. I like it because it’s quite, easy and efficient. Another advantage of SRT is much less wear on your rope... and you only need about half the rope so less weight. Another good video per usual guys 👍.
Yes we're familiar with RAD I really like RAD this method is simply less gear less expense. We plan to make some videos in the near future showing RAD/ SRT
1/2 the rope would be 35’. Which means your maximum crotch in height would only be 17.5. Ft. You still need to carry the same amount of rope or at least 60 ‘. You still need both ends on the ground in order to feed the tail end through the eye for your girth hitch. That’s why your better off carrying 75’ so your not limited to small trees
NY Saddle Hunter you can use SRT with a canopy anchor and get away with almost half the rope you’d need if you were going the same height as with DRT. Basically you can get 30 feet in the tree with about 30 feet of rope. You tie an alpine butterfly knot (at ground level) while you’re main climbing rope is just through the crotch. So basically tie the butterfly knot at the very end of your predator line. You then fish that paracord through the alpine butterfly knot. This will girth hitch your predator rope to the desired branch. Once you’re up there and ready to come down, then tie your paracord back onto the alpine butterfly in order to retrieve your predator rope. There should be some good arborist RUclips videos on “canopy anchors”. It’s the ultimate light weight option... rope wise.
NY Saddle Hunter instead of feeding the tail end of the predator rope through the knot or girth hitch, just feed the paracord. Just make sure you’re definitely going up to hunt lol or you’ll have a rope girth hitched 30 ft in the tree without an easy way to retrieve it.
NY Saddle Hunter ruclips.net/video/vs8MspVHEBY/видео.html Here is an example of what I’m referring to. He couldn’t feed his throw line completely through the knot/ loop because he has so much throw line. It is much more clean looking when you’re using the amount of line and rope that’ll only get you 20-30ft high.
Woo Hoo! Thanks again guys. Love these videos.
Thanks brother!
Obviously now that's the perfect style for DRT simple technique, Joe how did you figure that one out? I got to get my ropes man.
It's not my invention , climbing with prussics foot loops DRT has been around a very long time. We just never did it before because I had no problems with the traditional DRT method. Several people had asked us about footloops we just never used the method. However I thought just like SRT is easier I should demonstrate it for others who find DRT difficult or think its difficult just by looking at it. I think DRT looks harder than it actually is.
with a foot loop it looks easier. It is actually easier for me but not drastically easier, however I feel its smoother climb , so I'm actually preferring it to the hip thrusting
Hey guys thanks for all of the videos. I had a question for you guys. Should I worry about a friction saver on my rope for the DRT method. Thanks in advance
You’ll be fine on hardwood trees. Pine and Spruce you may want to consider using a friction saver.
with all the sappy pines, firs here out west, sure like to see a vid on using friction ring DRT
We will try to film something for you on that
@@NYSaddleHunter specifically how to use a paracord preset to set a Wespur friction saver/rings. Applied a few of your tips this season, changed up & added to my elk & deer arsenal of tactics. I'm hunting multi western states, sometimes there are hardwood trees, but many times I'm going up ponderosa pines of various diameters, some quite large. These ponderosas are very pitchy, bark loose/crunchy. but often no or couple branches for 20+feet up the tree. Fear using these as it will mess up my climbing line. I know no Ponderosas in your neck of woods, but perhaps could use a hardwood to demonstrate friction saver technique.
thank you, this 63 yr old hunter appreciate these vids helpful to hunters expanding their "tools"...specially Scott being an experienced arborist too..
If I feel the need 4 antler soon I will go on the public no hunting land in a different entrance nearby & look 4 sheds there
Great video guys. How many seasons can you get out of a climbing rope typically?
Thanks Aaron. My rope that I'm currently using is 3 years old, we climb often and it's like new still. I always inspect it before and after a climb but I expect to get many years out of my line . Arborists who climb every day generally replace a rope every year. A arborist will put more wear and tear on a rope in a year than we will put on our ropes in 25 years. So as a General rule for me I probably won't even think about it for about 5 years but that will also be based on my inspections. You never know when a tree has a nail or something in it that can damage the line so inspect prior to climbing but we expect our lines to last many years
Another great vid! On an unrelated note, what’s my best bet for adjusting the length of my bridge? Modifying a SitDrag so I’m wide open. Thanks!!!
Thanks Joe , we really appreciate the positive feedback!
I would recomend buy the Adjustable bridge with a tender from aerohunter and install it .
@@NYSaddleHunter Thanks gents!
Joe, do you think you are going to stick with the foot loop method over the hip thrust? Scott makes the hip thrust look so easy.
Thanks for including the links to your previous videos. Good idea.
Hey Paul. Although it’s a great Tweak to the DRT technique. I’m only climbing 20-30’. And I’m to old school lol. I really enjoy DRT. I think Joe will stick with it. Thanks !
Paul yes I find the foot loop easier for me and plan to adopt this as my go to method.
Joe
Can you add a close up on the foot loop variation, show how to hook it all up, new to saddle hunting, but love it, looking for an easier way to get up the tree, like what you guys are to bringing. Thanks
Let me know if these videos help ruclips.net/video/4L1OO3F7Le8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/M-qPHmhD5CU/видео.html
I plan 2 practice @ home 4 a while & won't go out 2 climb until I'm comfortable. I have 2 tethers that I put new carabiners on & I will try 1 tether on the foot 2 see if it's 4 me.
I'm really liking that variation
Great video again guys. Have you been able to use this method on trees with branches? Like a pine tree. Or is it too hard to get around everything.
You can use this footloop method on any tree you can use the traditional hip thrust DRT method. We generally avoid pines DRT climbing because the sap will ruin the line unless you use a friction saver. We dont have many pines where we hunt so it's not an issue
@@NYSaddleHunter OK that makes sense. I just noticed a lot of the trees you pick are pretty straight with not many branches. Great info!
@@edtroup8606 SRT or DRT with a friction saver
Great idea with this scouting method guys! Those paracords are almost invisible. Btw, does the climbing line chafe or wear as it slides on the branch while you climb? Ive seen arborists use something that they call cambium/line savers, which they place on the tree crotch between the trunk and the branch. What do you think of it? Thanks
We never use them it's not an issue for us. My rope that I'm currently using is 3 years old, we climb often and it's like new still. I always inspect it before and after a climb but I expect to get many years out of my line . Arborists who climb every day generally replace a rope every year. A arborist will put more wear and tear on a rope in a year than we will put on our ropes in 25 years. So as a General rule for me I probably won't even think about it for about 5 years but that will also be based on my inspections
@@NYSaddleHunter I see. Thanks! I keep following your vids and theyre great. The time and passion you put into making the vids is huge. It really looks like climbing trees in itself, doing it your way, must be a lot of fun. Cant wait till my artery wound heals , cos I can't grab anything yet with my hand. Once its healed I wanna do it your way guys just for the sake of it at least. Watching wildlife from a hight. Thanks. Luke
@@mrflytyer5819 Having fun is what it's all about, and this form of climbing is really fun in and of itself.
Hope your healed up soon and it brings you enjoyment.
Thanks for watching and best of luck!
I just ordered a DTR set looking forward to using this method this Fall. One thing I was curious though, is how is the climbing rope affected by rain? Does the friction hitch become harder to move up the line as you ascend?
Rain isn't a problem except that it tends to wring out the hitch and you get wet. Check out my latest video on how I'm setting up and climbing DRT I think it might help you as your learning to try some variations.
ruclips.net/video/1DjnU13k7Ao/видео.html
Best of luck!
I like the Hip thrust VS the leg assist because it seems to be a little quicker and quieter with less set up time. Which is easier in the dark, using a headlamp and trying to avoid limbs that may get in your face VS being able to slip through them with the leg assist method?
That's probably a subjective answer. Scott prefers hip thrusting I'm kind of liking the Foot loop because its easier for me and I can do it slowly . Your just going to have to try both and see what you think works best for you . Maybe one way will be better in one situation and another way in a different situation . Nice to have some options
Is that public or private land? If it's public did you check whether there are any regs about leaving paracord on a tree? I know it's just for the season, but does anyone have a problem with the practice? It's something I want to do if I'm able to. Love the videos. They're very helpful.
Love all the DRT videos! I just turned 60 and this is the method i will be using next year. I hunted out of the sit drag last year but at ground level. This year I w I'll have the rope to get up the tree. Thanks for all the videos!!! Thanks for the SRT insert as well.
Dennis
Scott and I are 52 & 54 age is just a number. We plan to make some SRT videos in the near future aswell. Thanks for the positive feedback and watching, we really appreciate it ! Best of luck!
I'm sure you've addressed this already, but do squirrels get to your preset lines?
What size split tail would you recommend i like the neatness of no knots by the bridge
Most split tails are 5'
With setting your loops post season when all the leaves are down, will you guys go back pre season and dry run those trees again with the foliage?
Typically no but we do like to walk through in September to make sure our loops are not damaged by critters while setting and or checking cameras and if we feel we need to do some trimming we would climb and trim , but most of that work is done in the post season. We also like post season because there's no ticks and want to stay out of a area we plan to hunt as much as possible closer to the season. In post season we are not worried about educating deer to human presence
Did you ever get sabotage yet on leaving para chord in tree, it would be hard to spot though
Not yet . That's the thing it's hard to spot if your not looking for it
How does the Paracord hold up to the UV after sitting outside for many months?
Depends on the paracord you use. I bought some cheap stuff from Home depot and its held up about 3 years so far but I started using some better stuff from paracord planet thos year and time will tell but I feel like this stuff will really last .
Guys I have been SRT/RAD Saddle hunting for three years now. I am a Trad Hunter with a Longbow and live in NW CT. I find that I sometimes have a hard time locating a tree with branches to catch my throw bag for a paracord set. I have in the past use my old climber to reach a height and screws two small bow hangers in the tree at 180 degrees from each other then bent them up a little. I then use paracord for my pre set. I picked up a 30' telescoping pole last year to try to set a girth hitch, climb up and then put in two hangers for paracord that way. I have not tried yet. What do you guys do?
We run into this situation from time to time. We just recently started climbing with one stick with a big wall aider it’s a bit slower but very doable
Joe gonna release a video on it soon.
The daca pole is a good idea too for a girth hitch SRT approach if you don’t mind carrying it in
@@NYSaddleHunter Exactly, The DocaPole... I planned on using it for presets and not the day of the hunt. Thanks! look forward to the video.
What do you guys think of true blue 12 strand rope for this technique
Nevermind I remembered you guys talking about it on the rope buying video. I bought it because I heard it works real well for natural crotch. Thanks for all the info you guys give on this method. Looking forward to trying it when supplies show up.👍
Why not show how the para loop is used? I assume you just attach the main line to it quickly somehow and just keep pulling one side running it around the limb and back down. Just would be cool to see it in action. Great stuff gents.
Kip we have a few other videos that show the paracord in depth
@@NYSaddleHunter thanks. I’ll check them out fellas. Great stuff.
@@kipcotter5374 check out this video I think it's our best breakdown. ruclips.net/video/O0F5ykXqz4c/видео.html
How long can para cord last in a tree. Months or years?
Years ! Especially good quality paracord.
What kind of rope do you use😊
You can see the diffrent types of rope we use on our website depending in how you choose to climb
www.newyorksaddlehunter.com/
Did you guys ever have any luck in that spot?
Unfortunately this area was hit hard with EHD the following summer and we lost about 80% of the deer herd in this area so we never hunted it after setting it up .
How do you get the gun into the tree?😊
We primarily bow hunt but we use the end of our climbing line to pull up our pack , gun or bow. I also use a doyles hoist on my pack .I usually pull up my pack with the end of my rope and the doyles hoist on my pack self deploys to my bow while i pull it up then after im sutuated in the tree I pull my bow up with my doyles hoist
What's the smallest limb dia you would use to be safe? Considering it's live and very healthy.
Here's a video I made on it. If you have anymore questions let me know. ruclips.net/video/tvg0jebGBts/видео.html
If I’m crotchet in to just the limb. As long as it’s a healthy hardwood. I use my forearm as a reference. If I’m going through the crotch and around the backside of the tree. You can get away with slightly less. There is tremendous strength in the crotch of a tree. But it’s up to you to make good judgment calls. Climb safe !
Bravi
So what are the advantages of SRT compared to drt
SRT is physically easier and in some cases might be easier to set your line because you are only managing one end of the rope when it's set. Its draw backs are the cost of ascenders or something like a gri gri , some potential for metal noise . But SRT is the modern version of DRT. DRT is more minimalist and old school. It's like comparing a recurve to a compound. You can easily kill deer with a recurve a compound is just easier but you will pay more for it. Just need to see what you like most and fits into your budget.
NY Saddle Hunter Great video. I posted a link on saddlehunter
Drt or Srt for hemlocks
Ed Troup Either style will work.
What backpack are you using here
John Scott has a Sitka tool bucket , Joe has a Badlands super day
John Holbert that’s a Sitka Gear Tool Bucket .
Thanks guys!
How do you keep the throwball rope from getting tangled? Do you have a special way to roll it up before putting back in its pouch?
@@johnholbert3423 if you have the Wesspur throwball cube flake the line into the cube from the end of the line to the throw ball. In other words the throwball e d goes into the cube last. Then tuck the throwball into the pocket in the cube. This will help prevent the throwball from tangling when it's in transport.
You guys are awesome, thanks for the help!!
This will be what everyone is doing in a few years.
From a safety stand point, why aren’t you using helmets when doin presets?
I think it's a good idea to use helmets for safety but just as some ride without them we just have not used them. As with anything that involves some risk it's a good idea to use them especially when your learning
NY Saddle Hunter As a personal choice thats ok. However, these videos Are training videos, as such there is a higher standard of care. All arborists are trained to use head protection. The danger from falling dead wood cannot be overlooked.
@@Wrpipertwin
Our videos are not not training videos ,these videos are sharing what we do informational. We encourage people to seek formal training.
Hunters climb trees with sticks, steps. Ladders and the same risk of falling dead wood can occur. We simply are showing what can be done with a saddle and I agree helmets are good advice ! Your point is well taken and we appreciate it!
honestly why do the preset loops have to be paracord? It doesn't need to be 500lb tensile strength. Why not use a cheap mason line or synthetic twine?
You could use whatever you want . I would suggest it be a color that doesn’t stand out . Also parachord doesn’t cut into your hand like mason line will . I’ve snapped a few loops that got frozen in the crotch over winter, that’s why I use 500 lb tensile strength
@@NYSaddleHunter So you've snapped paracord pre-sets or other types of pre-set lines before? Plus have you seen the price of paracord? The 1000' role has gone up %50.
@@jasrobsny I’ve snapped 4 mm. Before. Yes I’ve seen it. Everything has gone up in the last yr. So many shortages ! I’m waiting weeks even months for basic things. World we live in.
Let’s hope it changes soon !!!
@@NYSaddleHunter Well I tried #18 mason line in hunter green for my presets and now I see why you use paracord. The line bit into my hand but I could deal with that; however the bark of the cottonwoods was so rough and aggressive that it cut the knot on the preset open one morning before I could get the rope over so I had to throw ball in the dark with my headlamp. I did get up into the tree before sunrise because the crotches are so large on those cottonwoods that they are easy targets, but I made much more noise than necessary and lost some hunt time. The mason line did work other times but it was always a little difficult to pull the climbing line over those large crotches. I think paracord from now onward. Mason line could work well if the bark were smoother and limbs smaller though.
You could use anything you like we just use paracord because its strong , tends to last a long time in the elements and comes in camo so it works really wel but I know some guys who even use braided fishining line.
It's hard enough getting into a tree in the morning -evening in the dark just get yourself a hand climber or seat climber I prefer Lone Wolf myself there are other similar systems .As you get older sometimes we lose our strength to use these kind methods.
you had the balloon in you hand, why not just carry it out with you? they aren't biodegradable, and as conservationists its our responsibility to clean up after the people that don't care about our wildlife habitats.