Sacrifices and Animist Violence
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Good points about the reactionary racism, hypocrisy and putting a spotlight on factory farms. Most people are disconnected from nature today including the violence on their plate. I believe the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword so factory farms and the typical supermarket meat diet is really problematic. I've been vegan 10 years but wouldn't think twice killing another human or animal for survival. Thank father sun and mother earth for making that unnecessary.
Yes it seems some of the focus can shift away from the sanctity of human life?
A very good reflection. I find the way that the capitalist system treats animals abhorrent. Perhaps every day meat consumption shouldn't be the rule, there may be alternatives to this like the consumption of insects or other animals that don't impact the environment as much as the raising of cattle.
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I appreciate your thoughts on this but I have to disagree with one thing - I don't think that the objection to animal sacrifices is just racism. My opinion is this: if you perform the sacrifice you may be intending to honor that animal and exalt it but I'm certain that the animal has an entirely different view on this. And since the animal rights activists from Norway probably don't believe in anything supernatural, this just looks like pointless killing. And pointless killing *is* cruel.
Personally, I think that the most respectful way to honor that bird is to not use it as an object towards another goal (like honoring the ancestors or local spirits or gods). The second most respectful way to honor it is to be honest about why it's being killed.
i guess when you get people talking about "those people", they could be talking about "people" in the genetic sense, in the cultural sense, etc. i think most normies in north america anyway, blur a lot of race/culture/class issues together.
Consider hunting. This is how I communicate with God and make peace with meat consumption
I very much agree with everything you said about the points on the hypocrisy of reactions to this ritualized practice juxtaposed against the mindless slaughter of animals for consumption without recognition. One thing that I wanted to wanted to mention in the context of veganism/vegetarianism that I struggled with a bit was the following. I think for me personally from an animist perspective it is hard to draw a distinction between violence against animals and violence against plants for the sake of food, since many of the veggies we eat require the death of the plant. I would say while the way we treat animals is clearly abhorrent, the way we treat crop plants/mass produced plants seems equally grotesque but in subtler ways (the coating of crops with blankets of pesticides, the disruption of soil and microbes, and deforestation for the sake of monoculture farming) that often have ripple effects throughout the ecosystem. So I think to me personally, veganism as a solution seems to move the problem off to another sort of massacre that is easier for us to ignore (although of course I don't think vegans or vegetarians do this intentionally by any means and many try very hard to shop for sustainable veggies and fruits). I think the best solution that presents itself to me is one that focuses on reorganizing the entire food chain in a manner similar to what you described with meat. I think this allows us to confront the inherent violence and asymmetry in our existing system as a whole and how it affects the entire living ecosystem rather than letting us avoid violence in one way (such as by eating animals) while still allowing ecological disruption and slaughter to continue in other ways. This is just my thought on things based on my own background and experience though.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts as eloquently as ever. Dare I say this video is good food for thought.
I used to be vegetarian because of this now I still am vegetarian most of the time but I will now eat fish that is the only meat I eat so Pescetarian
demonization of african religions is primarly a christian (or should a I say monotheist?) act. It's not racism per se. In Brazil, black christian protestants are among the most agressive anti-african religiosities ever seen.
if there is a religion out there that believes that there is only ONE true religion about ONE and ONLY true god, every violence against other religions is perfectly justifiable. i am not saying that racism does not exist but this comes even before race. and more... this 'religion justified persecution' gives amazing ground for rationalization of racism, xenophoby and even colonialism.
That is true, i thing the racist element is still vey present. But it's important to remember that monotheist persecution of other religions was the genitor of racism.
My view, which I don't project onto others: it is not possible to sacrifice animal life. Any life, and I admit to a grey area, that is sufficiently self-conscious, fuels the existence of spirits or collectives of spirits (which is what I see as what gods are; spirits 'teaming up' if you will). Ending such a life deprives the spirits. In the larger picture not by much but more importantly it doesn't give anything to the spirits. This is not meant to say that we should all start to breed (ourselves or other animals), I mean what it signifies on the scale of sacrificing an animal: in my practice it cannot do anything for the spirits. It doesn't add anything for them.
To be clear, I eat meat. Not much but I do. 'Not much' means that if everyone in the west would eat the same amount as I do, probably 70% of cattle farmers will have to change their business or go do something else.
Death is part of the life cycle and life feeds on life. It’s the way of Nature. What’s cruel to the fly is nurturance to the spider.
What is normal for the spider is choas for the fly
@@ErwinBlonk Aye, others are free to interpret this according to their own nature.
I'm not a legal expert, just so that's said, but from my understanding of Norwegian law and what tiny bit I know of this vodou case in Larvik I will admit that it's possible he broke Norwegian law. Super short version of the relevant law is that you are allowed to kill an animal you own (or where you have the permission of the owner; mostly relevant for butchers and veterinarians) but the animal either needs to be sedated, or it needs to happen fast enough that the animal won't have time to feel any pain. That last bit usually means direct damage to the brain, for example with a sledge or bullet. Cutting a chicken's head off doesn't exactly qualify, unless the chicken was sedated.
If there wasn't any sedation I would have a problem with the case. If there was sedation I wouldn't find it too problematic, tho I would consider it wasteful to not use the animal afterwards.
Unrelated to that; the absolutely staggering scale of death that exists purely for our convenience is definitely unnerving, but I don't have a solution, and I have very limited energy, so I fight the battles I can instead. 😅
I think he probably used it.
If that happened in the US, the Christian fascists would claim devil worship, child grooming etc whatever demonizing language they can pull out of their ass. This, further demonstrating the disconnection to the violence that is committed daily.
Personally I would love to create a kinship with the animals that we use for food.
What I think that animal sacrifice is to me (I explained this in my other comment) notwithstanding, I find your insights very clarifying. The reactions to it as you describe them seem not so much guided by care for the animals but rooted in views on race and civilization (and don't get me started on what I think those two mean).
we give life to these animals, and I wish there was a quality aspect, increasing quality rather than make everything so cheap which also involves really removing even the spiritual aspect of the food creation.... by increasing our ability to grow almost boundless amounts of food we have created conditions where extra billions of human beings have the sustenance to live even into old age.... the process could be spiritualized which might even make the quality of the meat we eat better in who knows how many ways.,,, if we just all blessed this process of ag industralization the food would become holy and we wouldn't have to trouble our consciences about this.... we don't need a voodoo priest or a rabbi or whatever the muslim equal is to bless these things....doing that makes it superstitious in my mind
This definitely gave me a lot to think about! I recently talked to a Heathen about animal sacrifice because I didn't understand what is being sacrificed or offered to deities when the animal's life doesn't belong to us. I was always under the assumption that I offer items as gifts. Things that I have use for or mean something to me. Is there a resource to learn more about the concept of sacrifice in the Animist sense?
Thank you!
Great video! I agree 100% with what you are saying! Thank you!
if the animist looks at the natural world and things hunting for their daily food at all levels of life without apparent feeling or remorse except maybe to be grateful for the food.... how can they feel anything negative about this? that would show something wrong with the idea or ideology with animism as people hold it....
christian was a pretense to ending all blood sacrifice. why? perhaps we both lost our way after animism and before monotheism.and abused the ritual
@@ErwinBlonk yeah, but those were not sacrifices to the god, they were punishments. something we did as pagans too. sodomites would be drowned in the bogs. either way, the christian god needed no human sacrifice, only the purification of man on earth.
@@ZerilathImmortal That is if you believe in tacitus second-hand anecdotal references, I don't doubt that there might have been some sort of taboo towards homosexuality, but I think he might be misinterpreting a religious phenomenon.
@@urubutingaz5898 christianity is a religion for slaves. slaves are the first to be sacrificed. if you have too many slaves their religion takes over, especially if they fear for their lives everyday.