Golf Shaft Weight Test & Comparison | What Effect Does Shaft Weight Have on Performance in Irons?
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2020
- The golf shaft weight is one of the most important aspects of any club fittings. At 2nd Swing, identifying the correct golf shaft is the top priority in a fitting right behind fitting for the proper clubhead. It's no secret that playing the wrong golf shaft can cause issues on the golf course.
In this video, 2nd Swing's Drew Mahowald and master fitter Thomas Campbell test various different shaft weights to compare the performance differences and illustrate why playing the proper golf shaft weight is so important.
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Shows the benefits of a decent custom fit, if only all fittings were of this quality. Good work boys love your work
Love all your videos lads! Thx
Thanks for the video. Would it be possible to test with just one brand of shaft such as KBS and test four different weights all at stiff flex which suits Thomas? I never get tired of watching Thomas hit balls.
I’ve never seen anyone go at a stock 7 iron so hard! Haha
great video lads! Very informative
This video confirmed my view - heavier shafts is the right on for me - just changed back to S400 with my Miura and back to hitting more consistently-
Agreed.vtotal weight is key for timing
Great comparison. It would appear lighter is not significantly faster. The swings with the heaviest shaft (TT) looked more synchronized and powerful.
Take away the one bad shot with the light shaft and the grouping is pretty good.
noticed the same
what if you make one of those bad shots per round? Thats 1 or 2 maybe 3 shots more everyround.
I find the lighter the shaft, the worse my tempo up to a point. Currently playing Aerotech FC115g. I find 115-120 is my sweet spot. 130 leaves me feeling like I'm working hard, 100 and below pulling shots.
Same just got mizunos with x100 and it feels like I’m swing a tree.
I wish you would have selected the same flex for each shaft, the results wouldn’t have been too different, but my engineering mind hates variability like that😁
Thanks for watching. The challenge is finding all the same flex with a range from 70g to 130g. We plan on more in depth shaft weight test of shafts of the same flex probably steel only.
Completely understand! Nit picking. And the reality is those shafts are made for different people as you clearly showed.
As well as each of those shafts has a different bend profile. It’s not a really valid test unless you have the same brand and model shaft in the same flex in different weights. Of course you’re going to have much more limited weight range you can test, but that’s the most accurate way to test your hypothesis. If you are using different shafts from different companies, who’s to say the difference is actually weight related and not bend profile related and torque related, etc? This is a flawed comparison and is actually misleading.
Amazing from 70g vs 130g, his swing speed and distances differences were nominal.
I play 110g and SS is about the same as Thomas. my dispersion is pretty wide, with drive bias.
Been considering going 115-120g. 🤷♂️🤔.
Sorry but this test whilst a good idea is just not good enough because not enough shots were hit. Thomas hit 4 shots and the one big outlier was a shot with the lightest golf shaft which completely skews the results. Without knowing more it is impossible to know how much of the outlier shot was the shaft and how much was the player.
For this to be a valid test and to have a reasonable statistical significance you would need to hit at least 20 shots per shaft - despite rumours to the contrary Thomas is human and that number of shots might have tired him out!
After saying that I completely agree with the conclusion that shaft weight is a really important variable and every golfer should go to a proper fitter for that.
I have a fairly average swing speed: 95 mph with driver, 80 mph with 7i. About 18 months ago I was playing M1 irons with a standard 65g reg shaft in them and because lessons had improved my swing I was starting to get shots which flew a lot of higher and 15 yards further than expected, I switched to i210s and 80g Steelfiber reg shafts and I could actually feel where the head was.
Others have said what I feel.
1 -rogue 70g shot affected results greatly
2 - Was 70g stiff?
I’ve been fitted with nippon zelos 7 but stiff shafts. How would that be different to regular etc?
I’m fairly new to golf and went to buy some used irons.. the guy said I swing pretty fast so I should get the stiff 110g for my mizunos as a newbie it’s worrying me.. I don’t have great tempo or control
I'm really surprised there wasn't bigger clubhead speed increase with the 70g shaft vs. the 110g and 130g. There was very little increase at all ?
Thank you for the great video. I'd love to see the same test for average clubhead speed like 85-95 mph / driver. On top of that...is there any chance to test/review the "new" Hogan Edge irons?
Thank you for watching! We'll work on creating a test for the new Hogan irons
@@2ndswing Great. Looking forward to it, thanks.
@@2ndswing Hogan EDGE irons would be my choise for the test as those are Hogan's only model for lefties + I'm looking for game improvement irons...👍
Does weight have any relation to flex?
It would have been a nice test if you tried different weight shafts that actually fit the golfer. I think getting the correct weight shaft for the player is #1, head #2. I have heard there is a “sweet zone” as far as shaft weight for everyone. If you had different weight shafts that would fit his swing better, you could have proven that. ⛳️🏌🏽♂️
I would imagine that these results would vary widely based on swing speed. This may have been more useful if done with slow/average/fast swing golfers?
So if I’m already hitting that 130 gram Dynamic Gold S300 already high, would you recommend going into an X flex shaft or change something else in the golf club to bring down the ball flight? I’m hitting an old school blade 7 iron in about the mid 20 degree launch with quite a bit of spin.
Could be the load of the shaft that would make a difference. Dynamic gold 120 and nippon modus 120 are very different. Modus is stiffer through the middle of the shaft where dynamic gold is less variable throughout. For MY swing (heavy top loader), modus presents far less backspin and a lower launch giving me more yardage with less weak misses to the right
What i've never understood in fitting is why the head gets picked first? The shaft allows the player to deliver the head, so is it not a waste of time to pick a head first, then go to a shaft?
I know this is an old video but hopefully this will get seen. I was fitted into a stiff c taper lite last year but wound up going with graphite kuro kage 105 stiff. Since then I’m swinging a bit faster and I find I’m hitting them too high and spinning them too much. I’m swinging 7 iron around 87 mph with about 120 ball speed. I’d also like to go a bit heavier. Do you think I can handle the xstiff in the c taper lite or should I go for a slightly heavier stiff?
C-taper 120S would be a good start. Possibly C-Taper lite 115x too Generally 88-90 mph is where I go from stiff to x-stiff for shaft recommendations in fittings - Thomas
I really wish you would have used a 110 graphite also.
Thank you for watching!
I expected club head speed (and therefore ball speed) to increase as you progressed to lighter shafts and the carry too. However, the clubhead speed only noticeably increased with the 70 gr. graphite shaft, but this did not translate into more carry due to increased spin and height. My takeaway is that if you have a swing speed approaching 90 mph, graphite does nothing for you. Question is, at what swing speed does graphite become the better choice?
Sorry Chester I think that Bryson pretty well disproves your conclusion. The weight, stiffness, torque and bend profile are the determining factors not the material i.e. graphite or steel.
@@banditbaker1675 Actually it is weight that I am focusing on (as did this test). If you want to go as light as 70 grams you have to go graphite as there is no steel shaft that light. If there were, then I would expect similar club speed numbers - whether steel or graphite in 70 grams.
@@JDSFLA Sorry Chester, your comment, "My takeaway is that if you have a swing speed approaching 90 mph, graphite does nothing for you. Question is, at what swing speed does graphite become the better choice?", seems to be focusing on Swing speed and you suggest that Graphite shafts are not suitable for Golfers with faster swing speeds. That's why I commented that Bryson debunks that theory. He currently has the fastest swing speed on Tour and uses graphite shafts in ALL his Clubs.
I have a low to mid 90mph swing with my 7-iron. Would that fall into the 6.0 or 6.5 project x lz? I like the extra weight but don't want to get something to stiff if my swing doesn't warrant it.
Generally once you are over 90 mph with a 7iron I suggest X-flex. 6.5 LZ would be a good option - Thomas
@@2ndswing Ok awesome. That’s what I ordered in my T100S irons. Thanks!
Great. Now do same test with a lady tester with swing speed 70-80 mph to see the differences. You guys have crazy high clubhead speeds that always favor the heavier steel shafts.
Thanks for watching! You’re right, Thomas’ swing speed will favor heavier and stiffer shafts. The goal was to show why playing the wrong shaft can be harmful
a little confused. i went and had a fitting today. (didnt have my shoes or gloves) but swing speed 90-93 in the 7 iron. wish we would have been paying attention to spread patterns...but tbh i wasnt making great contact....idk...wish i had better takeaways. the guy was trying to push me toward lighter shafts. despite my swing speed which matches or exceeds yours in the video? tough stuff. more confused now
Generally once you exceed 90 mph with a 7iron I would go x-stiff and heavier but if you have a smoother transition lighter can also be good. - Thomas
@@2ndswing thanos for the reply my fitting really confused me because I ended up feeling less truly crafted for and more "let's push him to the one left handed set we have in stock"
Now that's no doubt why left handers stock is limited but it's worth custom ordering - Thomas
So a really good player with a high swing speed should play a heavier weight shaft. Thanks guys for the most informative video for an average player with an average swing speed
Thanks for the feedback Nick! Stay tuned! We're creating videos in that player profile for you! -Danny
The only thing that would have made this just that much better is if all 4 shafts were the same flex.
Seems like you shouldve used the same brand
We wanted to show a wide range to provide some differences to discuss - Thomas
Comparing an extra stiff vs a regular shaft makes zero sense at all