As a former competitive power lifter, I would red light these power lifters as they did not break parallel like you need to for a legal lift. The Olympic lifters looked incredible.
@@harrybaals2549 The suits do not restrict range of motion. The weight compresses the joints and allow full R.O.M. The power lifters try to see what they can get by with.
j o lmao those were bad examples of powerlifting squats 💀 you could’ve done some real examples from people like Russel Orhi you biased bastard lmaooooo💀
Oh it's mostly due toheavyweifht powerlifters being main examples of this bullshit There are jacked powerlifters and Iranian powerbelly tanks of olympic lifters
This guy should do a part 2 where raw powerlifters like kevin oak, eric lilliebridge, larry wheels, john haack, pete rubish, jesse norris, dan green squat to great depth with huge weights and compare those to weighlifting squats that would be an honest comparison
@POOR PIRANO it's impressive that she can move it yeah, and I'm sure she's strong as fuck. But that's not a squat, you don't need to squat 600 to know that
that part at around 1:45 with Pyrros... it still gets me really emotional. it was his last olympics and last professional performance, where he got bronze medal and then the audience gave him a standing ovation for literally 15 minutes, halting the entire ceremony. magical moment
This is nonsense. None of those powerlifting squats should have passed, even by their own rules. The first one is just an abomination. It's also well known how much the rules and judging vary between federations. This is essentially a non-issue within the IPF, for example.
@@nw3877 hear that a lot especially as a physio lol I guess it's mostly when either people go up weights too fast without having enough experience with doing squats and deadlifts properly. Problem is there's always 2 schools of thought when it comes to this: 1) strict everything, proper alignment, movement checklist & 2) a person's body is different as compared to other so we should allow a bit of leeway when it comes to form. Personally, I'd rather go with the 2nd. And to add to what the guy said above, research suggests not just the meniscus but also ACL and other ligaments are thicker in weightlifters, though I'm not sure whether those are olympic-level.
They still strong as fuck bro lol. Even 700 for 1 shitty rep with no depth is better than 99.9999% of the population, especially as a woman. I bet she could rep 405 with perfect form, no gear.... can you?
+Kurt W read my comment again. "Better to watch" I'm talking about which form of powerlifting I prefer viewing for entertainment . I never doubted anyone's strength; I just don't find it entertaining when I see men and women lift while wearing insane amounts of gear.
+Powerlifting - Deadlift / Squat / Bench u dont need to go atg on squat in powerlifting.. oly liters do it because it helps them catch the weight as it comes down from the clean. they HAVE to go deeper, it doesnt make anyone better or worse
+JaayProdiJaay nobody is questioning depth per sport. I think the video was using these particular lifts to prove the major difference between the sports because they're two extremes. Not saying one is better than the other.
+Brian Watts ，agree.last time i see 1 of the forum mention that westside people sometime used this wide foot stance squat during training to activate the glute muscle, and help to break through normal stance squat PR. i dont understand what is wide foot stance squat untill i se this video and yours comment .
They weren't even hitting legal depth in powerlifting. The rules are clear that the crease in the leg and hip has to be below the top of the knee. The olympic squat is to train a part of the clean and jerk or snatch whereby the futher deeper they can get, then the less high the bar has to be cleaned or snatched for the first part of the movement.
No he’s correct they are regulated to go down pause and then come up hold , I don’t think those were comps I think those were just “lift sessions” bc there’s normally a guy who says ok down , ok up , rack
All of the Powerlifting squats shown were multi-ply equipped squats and knee wraps, they might not have been able to get parallel. There are so many proper examples of a Powerlifting squat done right, look at any Ray Williams or Larry Wheels or Pete Rubish squat video
Relax guys, I'm pretty sure this video was meant to be funny. There are great powerlifters out there that squat deep, but that wouldn't have been funny.
They could do box squats, adjustable to the lifter based on percentage of their height, or even their femur length. It would standardize the depth. But no, a world champion isn't gonna be told his PR doesn't count when done right. If these squats are good, why can't I rack pull instead of deadlift?
Yeah, Dan Green is a good example. Layne Norton squats "deep," but his upper body is pitched so far forward that I don't think it makes a good example in this case. I was more thinking of Bryce Lewis, Ray Williams, Chad Wesley Smith, Max Aita (who's also a weightlifter), Damien Pezzuti, Jesse Norris, Tom Martin, Bret Gibbs, Jonnie Candito, and of course, Justin Morgan (just kidding on that one).
Haha yea I'm a powerlifter and I got compliments on my form and depth from an olympic lifter. I lift raw, beltless (recently introduced a belt during some high volume high intensity deadlifts mostly to get used to it to use during competition, since raw still allows a belt wrist wraps and knee sleeves and that stuff does add weight.) These multiply lifters wont ever get passed in the IPF.
What I think is really funny is that powerlifters always just slightly bend their knees during a squat with 15 guys spotting and then act all tough and hyped and Olympic lifters basically squat by sitting on the ground and getting up with no spotters and don't even have facial expressions
@@untbam I feel like powerlifting ESPECIALLY equipped has evolved so much that rly they only care abt the numbers they put on the board and I honestly think that’s why the depth has gotten so bad they just wanna see more plates on the bar
@@untbam this is a sumo squat don’t be a dumbass. The person who selected this compare a deep squat to a sumo squat. Unless you can do a full box split. You can’t go any deeper doing sumo.
I do powerlifting in the gym. Bench, deadlift and Squat. I don’t do Olympic lifts, but I always squat Olympic style. Much more aesthetics to see, and proper Ass to Grass
You can still squat deep low bar, depends on how good your flexibility and form is. Personally high bar hurts my back more and I like low bar anyway it's way more comfortable because I'm tall.
Fatty Tee Actually most lifts shown are well above the 550 mark. I believe the lowest bar I saw was klokovs 1 hour long paused squat that was around 540 still. First dude had like 650 on.
I am a powerlifter,but that wide stance,equipped shit is stupid as fuck.I do not understand why people would do it.You are not demonstrating strength.They are barely hitting depth,and it comes down to who has better equipment.I compete RAW with wraps,but I do not use wraps.I just like squatting,and demonstrating raw strength.
+17MXT When I began powerlifting, I didn't even know "RAW" and "equipped" existed. Not only those people are using accessories to help them lift more, but also their form is questionable.
As a powerlifter I will 100% agree that olympic lifting is much more difficult and oly lifters tend to be far more athletic. However, this video is still a pretty sad representation of powerlifters
But the olympic squat is all abaout the anatomy of your body. Short femur, long torso, good ankle mobility etc. Think most people would do it if they were born to be capeable of it
I can't belive this video I made in about 10 minutes 6 years ago has over 2 million views 😂 Once I get 1000 subs I will make part 2 and ensure it is even more fair, balanced and accurate than this video.
Anyone who really believes this has never worked out seriously. Flexibility like that takes immense effort and training time that most powerlifters don't have or even want as it is not useful to their goals.
@@afb9176 because its an endurance based sport. I wanna see someone bench or clean and jerk a crap ton of weight, not pullups my gym teacher wouldn't hit for performing or sandwhich making for reps.
When you see a slavic olympic lifter and his form/stance/range of motion and how smooth everything is... You start to question, what the F are these clowns in the US are doing ?
Dude everything counts in powerlifting, and even the IPF. Wanna bounce the bar on your chest for bench? Sure! Wanna flare elbows? Sure! Wanna make the bench press into a decline? Sure! Wanna spread your legs ultra wide during bench? Sure! Wanna use equipment to lift some of the weight for you? Sure! Powerlifting is a sport where everyone gets a trophy, win or lose.
I got the femurs of a 198cm person but I'm just 185cm tall. Sucks that even after hundreds of hours of stretching and mobility work I still can't do olympic squats unless I put some elevation under my already elevated weightlifting shoes. I want to do them too
Nothing wrong with adding extra heel height. For reference, it's pretty common among Chinese lifters even at the top level. Just make sure the cobbler uses an incompressible material. The standard 0.75 inches of heel elevation sported by most weightlifting shoes is not some magical number that fits every person. It's simply a standardized measure to cut manufacturing costs.
Jesusmetalhead I used to do olympic type squats and i kept injuring my adductors because my knees would sometimes cave inwards very slightly when i went up. It wasnt cave in by a lot, but slighly, and over time i kept getting injured. So i just do a wider stance now and i squat just below parralel and my adductors are fine now. I would love to do olympic squats again but i dont want to risk getting injured again.
You should've put Larry Wheels or Russell Orhii squats. They are both the best american powerlifters in their respective categories, and their squats are 1000x better than this joke
BIGroom house at least there actual comps and not these bs lifting “sessions” wheels for the win kids a absolute animal whole other breed next to these jokers !
exactly. How can you compare the BULGARIANS, to some average chick squatting in a bullshit federation? It makes no sense, the video kind of loses some validity. Even though, this shit is true.
+BrainTrance agree 100% my dude. i used to do squats just below paralell, but i injured myself and had to restart lifting a year later. im now doing olympic squats and althought i have to use a lot less weight, my body is looking amazing these days (imo of course) because of high reps with olympic squatz
+Leandro Augusto Olympic high bar ATG squats do not require dna/genetics lol..any sport related to physical performance is enhanced with strong genetics. That doesn't mean you can't train with shitty genetics and not perform the high bar squat used in Olympic lifting. Hard work beats genetics any day and yes, I agree that Olympic weightlifting requires more hard work than any strength required sport. Not just physically, but mentally as well with the technique involved. These guys you see doing the Olympic high bar squats in the video have all been training for decades before this footage was even taken.
Honestly there's nothing more satisfying than watching Oly weightlifters like Lu Xiaojun back squat. Long torso, short femurs, super upright high bar squat. It just looks so clean and easy. So much depth. So beautiful. Edit: Just saw the bit where the "powerlifting" keeps cutting to shots of Pyrros shaking his head LOL
@@ChristosPamp888 thanks man. Why is he shaking his head, just emotional? They used it in such a funny context here it’s hard to tell what he’s communicating.
Do some research, and youll see the top sofistication of the Olympic lifter, to the same ratio of powerlifter that actually have grace to use proper form. Thats just statistics man... but, yes. Very bais indeed
From the hip flexors to the IT bands to the tendons and ligaments in your knees and ankles all the way up to the back and shoulders you feel every little detail with the Olympic squat, ATG ♾.
i think its just two different thing, im just sad because lot of powerlifter want to overcome lack of mobility with what they call ''raw power'', where your human body is just not 100% free in his move
Fuck off dumbass. Low bar squats build total body strength. If you put a person through a program that uses low bar squats vs putting high bar squat, the person doing low bar squats will build more overall strength. Pro olympic lifters vs pro powerlifters are doing very different things however. One is based on explosiveness and other really huge weights moving at a slow rate. YOU ARE (most likely) NOT A FUCKING PRO LIFTER. So it won't matter. Do low bar squats if you want functional strength. Do high bar if you want to become a pro olympic lifter (or an amateur weightlifter if you simply like the challenge of doing cleans, snatch etc) or as an assistance exercise for low bar. Stop pretending you high bar squat a million times more than average low bar squatters or are somehow "technically" better. You don't and you aren't. You're absolutely braindead if you think high bar squats are objectively better than low bar squats.
@@Zipped_in high bar is a LOT more useful for athleticism than low bar simply because it builds your quads wayyyy more and because it mimics positions in sports a lot more than low bar. A high bar squat angled forward is more or less a sprint stance for example, low bar has no real positional carryover to anything. It lets you lift a little more absolute weight most of the time but overall unless you're powerlifting high bar is better for everything else
For those who don't understand. In proper federations these squats would be red lighted into oblivion. But even then, powerlifters don't go as deep as weightlifters. The main reason is the fact that powerlifters mostly employ lowbar position (the barbell rests on your lower delts). This position pushes your back and knees forward,( to make sure the center of gravity goes through middlefoot). Going ATG with this position is both dangerous and physiologically impossible for most of the population due to lack of enough ankle mobility. But at the end of the day lowbar WILL allow you to move more weight due to extra employment of lower back and hamstrings. Highbar position which is the one that WL use allow you to keep your torso vertical which is what's needed for snatch and clean and jerk. WL don't have use for lowbar even though lowbar would allow them to squat more.
For anyone reading this today: this is not true. I can ATG low bar and high bar. It's not dangerous and it feels genuinely comfortable. Western people like to act like deep squats are not physically possible when lots of the world manages to rest in that position.
@@MrMinermation It's an incredibly narcissistic and self-centered stance to think that just because YOU can squat ass to grass both ways, that everybody can. There are 8 billion people on Earth and you are ONE of them. I can't squat ass to grass lowbar, there is no way in hell. Also there is no actual reason to go ATG if your primary goal is strength and not power and mobility, which is what highbar and ATG is for. Check your information first before you comment again.
@@MrMinermation Squatting to parallel is absolutely fine and powerlifters and strongman show time and time again that is the best way to obtain maximum strength, you gaslighters constantly have to act all mighty and high with your ATG philosophy. Get off your high horse, dude.
Only part I see wrong here is your knees don't go forward in low bar. High bar is more Quads and results in more need flexion, low bar is more back and doesn't have as much knee flexion. Watch a high bar lift vs a low bar lift from the side. You lean more forward yes, but knees do not go forward, they actually stay further back. And I also can comfortably go deeper with low bar. Because since my knees don't go further out, my ankle mobility isn't as restrictive.
@@mirkomarjanovic3234 you just need to train mobility. It's not impossible. Every single olympic lifter who has trained mobility can do it. It's an incredibly lazy and demotivating stance to think that just because YOU can't be bothered training mobility, everyone else shouldn't give it a go as well.
Obviously but it supposed to demonstrate the difference in attitude between the two disciplines. Look how slim and athletic the Olympic lifters are and how pudgy the powerlifters are and when you factor in actual form the weights aren't that different.
@@KC-yd5kj Comparing raw, actual full-depth powerlifting to weightlifting, the powerlifting squats are clearly stronger because it's one of their competition lifts. Those geared up powerlifting feds are barely even powerlifting at all as they do not follow the accpeted "crease of the hip below the top of the kneecaps" rule.
I've always done squats Olympic style. Fairly close stance and I sit right down with it. Not very heavy weight to be honest but full range of motion for sure. I've literally had someone come up to me after finishing a set and ask "those look really good what do you call that?" And I was just doing squats.... Focus on your damn form people, leave your ego elsewhere!
Funny thing is Simmons believes that it's the way squats should be done and that oly lifters "don't know how to squat". "Wide builds narrow" he said. These geared lifters would get buried in the hole if they were to squat 600lbs atg raw.
majungasaurusaaaa yeah you haven't written books on Powerlifting, Coached for 45+ years, researched and experimented on athletic performance or even built Machine that have revolutionized strength training. Louie Simmons has, so his words reign supreme over yours.
Appeal to authority doesn't win arguments. Wide doesn't build narrow. And the stuff Simmons put together is just borrowed from the commies anyway. I'd rather learn straight from the legit source. And the legit sources would laugh at Simmons and his backyard junk sport. And they certainly don't have their athletes do that abomination of a squat.
Don't take my word butthurt one. Take the words of those who were ready to breed children to win over a junk sport guy who borrowed their programming stuff. Simmons hasn't come up with anything new. And then his ego got the better of him. He goes beyond his wheelhouse, which is making geared wrapped up dudes do sumo barely parallel squats. He'd be laughing stock in the strength and conditioning world if he wasn't that obscure. Yes, beyond powerlifting he is obscure. Brb having martial artists, oly lifters and football players do that sumo thing as their main squat movement.
The "powerlifting" ones aren't even powerlifting squats those are called, "assisted powerlifting squats" or "geared powerlifting squats" they're not even recognized by most federations
most biased video ever. Equipped Powerlifting vs weightlifting squat. stick some ipf videos up of ray Williams malanichev belyaev etc picture changes a lot.
just saying... you talked about ipf and these guys.. the fact about doping is the main topic in the ipf! and btw iam not saying you are not right.. ipf rules are strict for squatting and no comparison with usa wide stance monolift backyard squatting!
I could name a ton of other powerlifters that could be mentioned in this video and it would paint a very different picture. You think dymmas and ivan chakarov were clean? I don't get what point your trying to make. This RUclips video tries to belittle the Powerlifter squatting. The equipped lifts in this video are fucking garbage. Nobodies mentioned anybody doping, well only you. Ill mention ISIS just to be as random as you. Weightlifters are excellent athletes. There are some fantastic Powerlifters, both deserve respect.
***** All lifters deserve respect although I would prefer to watch Weightlifters Squat because they are so impressive, I'm not a big fan of the backyard Powerlifting but I don't go out of my way to disrespect them either, treat others as you wish to be treated. I think you will find a lot of high level raw drug tested lifters are not clean, they just don't get caught. You have to do an athletic movement to get in the Olympics? There's more athleticism involved in Powerlifting than Archery. Powerlifting is not in the Olympics because of Weightlifting more like. Weightlifting is very technical and takes years to master, anybody who does has my respect. Give respect and you will get it back.
just to fix it. The name of the vid shall be oly squats vs westside barbell "squats". I'm a powerlifter at IPF, and I'm in tears of laughing at those "lifters". by the way, comparing a raw ipf comp to these guys would make a sense in technical point of view, but this one for fun is just perfect :D
For those that dont have trained eyes, the olympic squats on this video are slightly lower than the powerlifting squats
road to 500 lbs squat no shit it was. Those aren’t powerlifters. Most powerlifting communities wouldn’t allow that type of squat
A trio of geniuses examining a youtube comment
you must be blind
What are you talking about, there was literally no difference.
r/wooosh
Those olympic lifters probably got salmonella for lifting so raw and low
Raw and deep, only way I fu....wait, what are we talking about?
?
@@Ahrone1586 Joke
This is one of the best comments I have seen
Comment stolen from Clarence Kennedy's video... it's still hilarious tho.
As a former competitive power lifter, I would red light these power lifters as they did not break parallel like you need to for a legal lift. The Olympic lifters looked incredible.
Forget about parallel. If your ass doesn't touch your calves then it's not really a squat.
american powerlifting meets are ridicilous. They werent even close to below paralell
could the fact that it was equipped lifting have anything to do with it? do the suits they use restrict range of motion?
@@harrybaals2549 The suits do not restrict range of motion. The weight compresses the joints and allow full R.O.M. The power lifters try to see what they can get by with.
@Mihajlo Stosic "representatory"??
What's the difference, you may ask?
One did a squat, the other one unracked it.
j o lmao those were bad examples of powerlifting squats 💀 you could’ve done some real examples from people like Russel Orhi you biased bastard lmaooooo💀
Jajajjajaaa true. But it has evolved !
Ass 2 grass looks painful
Joey Hernandez ...so does stopping halfway through a squat with your feet pointed towards the walls
Lowbar vs highbar
The 775 sumo deadlift with the bar on the back is hilarious.
😂😂😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀💀
Yeah, if they gave him that lift, he has pictures of the judges with farm animals.
@@craigstewart1532 I'm pretty sure that was a woman.
@@tyler___4558 That's also part of the joke lol
it's a squat and that's a woman
For what I see :
Olympic lift, most of the weight is on the bar
Powerlifting, most of the weight is on the belly
My comment has gotten over 4k likes and I think this comment is way funnier
Are you completely unfamiliar with the super heavyweight Olympic record holders of the last 66+ years?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ezakustam 😂😂😂
Oh it's mostly due toheavyweifht powerlifters being main examples of this bullshit
There are jacked powerlifters and Iranian powerbelly tanks of olympic lifters
I’m going out on a limb and saying this channel prefers weightlifting
I don't see what would lead you to this conclusion
This guy should do a part 2 where raw powerlifters like kevin oak, eric lilliebridge, larry wheels, john haack, pete rubish, jesse norris, dan green squat to great depth with huge weights and compare those to weighlifting squats that would be an honest comparison
@@NK-xz9mx these were heavily cherry-picked to make powerlifting look bad.
@@nesamdoom yeah powerlifters were all from the equipped (not raw) division, from some american federations with super bad squat depth standards
No shit
Sorry that 775 was NOT a squat
those squaters are fucking clowns
She just moved her abs a couple inches
@POOR PIRANO it's impressive that she can move it yeah, and I'm sure she's strong as fuck. But that's not a squat, you don't need to squat 600 to know that
None powerlift squat was it
David Lingner non of em was.
that part at around 1:45 with Pyrros... it still gets me really emotional. it was his last olympics and last professional performance, where he got bronze medal and then the audience gave him a standing ovation for literally 15 minutes, halting the entire ceremony. magical moment
The funniest thing to me was how the Weightlifting squats were from training sessions while the Powerlifting squats were from competitions.
Yeah those were ”true” powerlifting competitions
Ikr
Well that's because weightlifters don't squat in competition
Well you don't squat in an Olympic lift meet
@Clayton Bigsby this video is cherrypicking the worst of powerlifting, why use an accurate representation of the majority?
Olympic squats are poetry in motion
very much so
Indeed I must say.
Facts bro... Read my mind
Clean and elegant
Agreed.
Just to add, a chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.
This is nonsense. None of those powerlifting squats should have passed, even by their own rules. The first one is just an abomination. It's also well known how much the rules and judging vary between federations. This is essentially a non-issue within the IPF, for example.
These "powerlifters"really making powerlifting look like a joke
Wellllll
Correct comment
kkdb22 powelifting is a joke.
Putturin, says a guy who probably doesn’t even lift.
Yeah I agree, these videos were incredibly bad examples.
Can someone make a 10-hour cut of classical music with high bar squat footage
agreed
So peaceful
Why are some people so obsessed with squats
@@solitaryconfinement1975 because they like doing it?
@@solitaryconfinement1975 Because it's an amazing exercise.
The patellar tendon strength between these two groups would be wild to study
And the medial meniscus, I'm sure the level of ware on the Olympic lifters had to be much higher than those powerlifters
@@markobegus interesting I'll def check it out
@@markobegus makes sense im uneducated on it tho
@@markobegus awesome reply. It blows my mind when clowns say, it's bad for knees , bad for back blah blah.
@@nw3877 hear that a lot especially as a physio lol I guess it's mostly when either people go up weights too fast without having enough experience with doing squats and deadlifts properly. Problem is there's always 2 schools of thought when it comes to this: 1) strict everything, proper alignment, movement checklist & 2) a person's body is different as compared to other so we should allow a bit of leeway when it comes to form. Personally, I'd rather go with the 2nd. And to add to what the guy said above, research suggests not just the meniscus but also ACL and other ligaments are thicker in weightlifters, though I'm not sure whether those are olympic-level.
That classical music fits perfectly with those perfect squats.
🤚✋
Also known as the Champions league theme
@Anabolic Cheeseburger Yup.. Ruined so much sporting events. No Olympics either
@@TheKeisari it honestly brought back the Zidane volley memory and a small European tear trickled down my face into my glass of chateauneuf du pape.
'Classical' xD
Geared powerlifting is cancer. Raw is a million times better to watch.
yeah is so ridiculous they not that strong, only cheats
They still strong as fuck bro lol. Even 700 for 1 shitty rep with no depth is better than 99.9999% of the population, especially as a woman. I bet she could rep 405 with perfect form, no gear.... can you?
+Kurt W read my comment again. "Better to watch" I'm talking about which form of powerlifting I prefer viewing for entertainment . I never doubted anyone's strength; I just don't find it entertaining when I see men and women lift while wearing insane amounts of gear.
Mo Yusuf The guy after you said they "are not that strong" and "cheats". I was clearly responding to him
+Kurt W should've responded to him directly, I don't agree with him.
This video is the reason why Clarence squats at the back room of a church
This should be called "Olympic squats vs geared Westside barbell squats".
***** Ok. Just stating a fact.
+Powerlifting - Deadlift / Squat / Bench u dont need to go atg on squat in powerlifting.. oly liters do it because it helps them catch the weight as it comes down from the clean. they HAVE to go deeper, it doesnt make anyone better or worse
+JaayProdiJaay nobody is questioning depth per sport. I think the video was using these particular lifts to prove the major difference between the sports because they're two extremes. Not saying one is better than the other.
+Brian Watts ，agree.last time i see 1 of the forum mention that westside people sometime used this wide foot stance squat during training to activate the glute muscle, and help to break through normal stance squat PR. i dont understand what is wide foot stance squat untill i se this video and yours comment .
KJH Drug Free Masters Powerlifting bravo!
"in equipped powerlifting, the only hand gesture that should accompany the squat command is air quotes" - infinite elgintensity
I see you are a channel of culture as well
That's fucking genius lol
Damn! I always find smart people in comments 🤜
I low key listen to classical music while working out. It helps me stay focus with my form when doing an exercise.
YES.
Classical music really helps me work on my form and in controlling my breathing.
Ur weird
@@ijnebenji6705 Bad thing?
As long as it's low key.
@goggles789 It's not that serious my man. You act like he low key said he farts on your mom's face while she's sleeping.
They weren't even hitting legal depth in powerlifting. The rules are clear that the crease in the leg and hip has to be below the top of the knee. The olympic squat is to train a part of the clean and jerk or snatch whereby the futher deeper they can get, then the less high the bar has to be cleaned or snatched for the first part of the movement.
From what I know, some powerlifting federations don't enforce that rule, correct?
No he’s correct they are regulated to go down pause and then come up hold , I don’t think those were comps I think those were just “lift sessions” bc there’s normally a guy who says ok down , ok up , rack
Just watch Larry wheels in his comps there all regulated besides steroid testing
@@Armored_RC there is no up command on the squat but there is on bench press
All of the Powerlifting squats shown were multi-ply equipped squats and knee wraps, they might not have been able to get parallel. There are so many proper examples of a Powerlifting squat done right, look at any Ray Williams or Larry Wheels or Pete Rubish squat video
Relax guys, I'm pretty sure this video was meant to be funny. There are great powerlifters out there that squat deep, but that wouldn't have been funny.
Watch IPF worlds. Or look at the squats on my channel, I'm a powerlifter.
Justin Morgan Yeah this was just a joke video, are people actually getting butt hurt over this?
They could do box squats, adjustable to the lifter based on percentage of their height, or even their femur length. It would standardize the depth. But no, a world champion isn't gonna be told his PR doesn't count when done right.
If these squats are good, why can't I rack pull instead of deadlift?
Yeah, Dan Green is a good example. Layne Norton squats "deep," but his upper body is pitched so far forward that I don't think it makes a good example in this case. I was more thinking of Bryce Lewis, Ray Williams, Chad Wesley Smith, Max Aita (who's also a weightlifter), Damien Pezzuti, Jesse Norris, Tom Martin, Bret Gibbs, Jonnie Candito, and of course, Justin Morgan (just kidding on that one).
Haha yea I'm a powerlifter and I got compliments on my form and depth from an olympic lifter. I lift raw, beltless (recently introduced a belt during some high volume high intensity deadlifts mostly to get used to it to use during competition, since raw still allows a belt wrist wraps and knee sleeves and that stuff does add weight.) These multiply lifters wont ever get passed in the IPF.
What I think is really funny is that powerlifters always just slightly bend their knees during a squat with 15 guys spotting and then act all tough and hyped and Olympic lifters basically squat by sitting on the ground and getting up with no spotters and don't even have facial expressions
that's because the powerlifters are trying to set a record and the olympic lifters are just training
@@sophovot5079 world record of what? 25% complete squat? 1/4 squat championship? However you call that BS, that's not a squat lol
@@untbam I feel like powerlifting ESPECIALLY equipped has evolved so much that rly they only care abt the numbers they put on the board and I honestly think that’s why the depth has gotten so bad they just wanna see more plates on the bar
Like everywhere else, there are bad examples. These powerlifters make it look stupid.
@@untbam this is a sumo squat don’t be a dumbass. The person who selected this compare a deep squat to a sumo squat. Unless you can do a full box split. You can’t go any deeper doing sumo.
There's a beauty to a properly performed squat.
There's a beauty to all exercises done properly. Makes me satisfied.
I do powerlifting in the gym. Bench, deadlift and Squat. I don’t do Olympic lifts, but I always squat Olympic style. Much more aesthetics to see, and proper Ass to Grass
I used to squat high bar all the time, now I squat low but still atg and with a pretty strict stance
You can still squat deep low bar, depends on how good your flexibility and form is. Personally high bar hurts my back more and I like low bar anyway it's way more comfortable because I'm tall.
@Fatty Tee Your right about the gear but I meant mainly in just a belt.
@Fatty Tee First guy was 295kg.
Fatty Tee Actually most lifts shown are well above the 550 mark. I believe the lowest bar I saw was klokovs 1 hour long paused squat that was around 540 still. First dude had like 650 on.
Proof that the champions league theme goes along with everything.
I am a powerlifter,but that wide stance,equipped shit is stupid as fuck.I do not understand why people would do it.You are not demonstrating strength.They are barely hitting depth,and it comes down to who has better equipment.I compete RAW with wraps,but I do not use wraps.I just like squatting,and demonstrating raw strength.
17MXT I completely agree. Raw is respectable. This is ludicrous.
17MXT So does sumo pulls..
LennyAob No.
Relative strength demonstration you mean ...
+17MXT When I began powerlifting, I didn't even know "RAW" and "equipped" existed. Not only those people are using accessories to help them lift more, but also their form is questionable.
As a powerlifter I will 100% agree that olympic lifting is much more difficult and oly lifters tend to be far more athletic. However, this video is still a pretty sad representation of powerlifters
But the olympic squat is all abaout the anatomy of your body. Short femur, long torso, good ankle mobility etc. Think most people would do it if they were born to be capeable of it
not true stop making excuses
Nicklol you have to learn abou the anatomy before commenting here.
Stop using short femurs, long torso..etc as an excuse for bad mobility.
Nicklol short femur guy talking lmao. Like i said, dont talk about something u dont know anything about.
I can't belive this video I made in about 10 minutes 6 years ago has over 2 million views 😂 Once I get 1000 subs I will make part 2 and ensure it is even more fair, balanced and accurate than this video.
Everyone sub to this guy
Lol everyone listens to metal now
Alright buddy, time for part 2 :)
what is the song on the powerlifting bits?
it is that time
It's honestly amazing how flexible these Olympic lifters are.
The other "lifters" are just as flexible, but they are lazy and so dishonest.
Anyone who really believes this has never worked out seriously. Flexibility like that takes immense effort and training time that most powerlifters don't have or even want as it is not useful to their goals.
@@brandonwalker5011 bro is literally lazy and dishonest.
Powerlifter or weightlifting? Who cares as long its not crossfit...
Jaleousy is bitch.
+Marijan Pavičić Spelling is a bitch.
Agreed
For me crossFit is better than powerlifting
Why for you isn't?
(I'm weightlifter)
@@afb9176 because its an endurance based sport. I wanna see someone bench or clean and jerk a crap ton of weight, not pullups my gym teacher wouldn't hit for performing or sandwhich making for reps.
When you see a slavic olympic lifter and his form/stance/range of motion and how smooth everything is... You start to question, what the F are these clowns in the US are doing ?
1:36 "VAGINAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
lol
jajaja que buen oido
oh yeah!
LOL I can't believe I didn't hear that the first time
xD
Those fucking powerlifting squats COUNTED???
Yeah as long as you hit below 90 degrees it's a good lift
Those lifts were equipped ligts from the halfsquat federations. IPF squats are better
+Jake H yeah in ipf if you squat that high it'll be a no lift
lol, those were 45 degrees not 90
Dude everything counts in powerlifting, and even the IPF. Wanna bounce the bar on your chest for bench? Sure! Wanna flare elbows? Sure! Wanna make the bench press into a decline? Sure! Wanna spread your legs ultra wide during bench? Sure! Wanna use equipment to lift some of the weight for you? Sure! Powerlifting is a sport where everyone gets a trophy, win or lose.
0:39 that is just sickening. Beautiful, but sickening. I can’t even imagine squatting that much weight with that form. Incredible strength.
Dude sad down for a good minute with the weights.
5 second pause squats feel like an absolute eternity with any amount of weight, let alone the 250+kg on that bar...
Pause Squat by Dmitry Klokov.
the feeling you had is called being Klokoved
As someone with a powerlifting background, I'm far more impressed by the Olympic-style squats.
I got the femurs of a 198cm person but I'm just 185cm tall. Sucks that even after hundreds of hours of stretching and mobility work I still can't do olympic squats unless I put some elevation under my already elevated weightlifting shoes. I want to do them too
Nothing wrong with adding extra heel height. For reference, it's pretty common among Chinese lifters even at the top level. Just make sure the cobbler uses an incompressible material. The standard 0.75 inches of heel elevation sported by most weightlifting shoes is not some magical number that fits every person. It's simply a standardized measure to cut manufacturing costs.
@@MayaEmbas You don't have to choose between the two squats on the vid tho. There are decent squats inbetween
Jesusmetalhead I used to do olympic type squats and i kept injuring my adductors because my knees would sometimes cave inwards very slightly when i went up. It wasnt cave in by a lot, but slighly, and over time i kept getting injured. So i just do a wider stance now and i squat just below parralel and my adductors are fine now.
I would love to do olympic squats again but i dont want to risk getting injured again.
xg g just get stronger legs so your knees don’t cave in
You should've put Larry Wheels or Russell Orhii squats. They are both the best american powerlifters in their respective categories, and their squats are 1000x better than this joke
BIGroom house at least there actual comps and not these bs lifting “sessions” wheels for the win kids a absolute animal whole other breed next to these jokers !
exactly. How can you compare the BULGARIANS, to some average chick squatting in a bullshit federation? It makes no sense, the video kind of loses some validity. Even though, this shit is true.
Larry Wheels is gay
And 1000x natural
Agreed
I didn’t see a legit squat from any of the powerlifters.
Watching the Olympic squats was like watching art in motion.
Those music choices were perfect
0:45 holy shit that’s a thing of beauty
Oh that’s just Klokov
I searched for this comment!!
olympic squat is the ABSOLUTE squat
+Your ex swallowed my LOAD preach
+BrainTrance agree 100% my dude. i used to do squats just below paralell, but i injured myself and had to restart lifting a year later. im now doing olympic squats and althought i have to use a lot less weight, my body is looking amazing these days (imo of course) because of high reps with olympic squatz
+Ganja Gains ayyy lmao im high too
+Leandro Augusto Olympic high bar ATG squats do not require dna/genetics lol..any sport related to physical performance is enhanced with strong genetics. That doesn't mean you can't train with shitty genetics and not perform the high bar squat used in Olympic lifting. Hard work beats genetics any day and yes, I agree that Olympic weightlifting requires more hard work than any strength required sport. Not just physically, but mentally as well with the technique involved. These guys you see doing the Olympic high bar squats in the video have all been training for decades before this footage was even taken.
Ganja Gains when you say "high reps", what's the range you're talking about?
I'm into powerlifting and I found this hilarious
It's good to be able to laugh at yourself. I do CrossFit and I love it when people make fun of us. Happens all the time too lol
TheWebaa it's hilarious because it's geard powerlifting in the video, not powerlifting.
HASTA LA VISTA 552six Say what? Huh?
I'm into nascar and i found this hilarious
I'm into chicks and found this hilarious
Honestly there's nothing more satisfying than watching Oly weightlifters like Lu Xiaojun back squat. Long torso, short femurs, super upright high bar squat. It just looks so clean and easy. So much depth. So beautiful.
Edit: Just saw the bit where the "powerlifting" keeps cutting to shots of Pyrros shaking his head LOL
olympic lifters are the strongest, most powerful and most technically sound athletes of all! in my opinion of course =]
yes !
+Ganja Gains your opinion is correct dude...
nope! wieghtlifters carry way less wieghts than powerlifters.
nope! wieghtlifters carry way less wieghts than powerlifters.
cause he had like a 5 inch range of movement on that "squat" lol
I love how the first guy just casually flicks the weight off his back lol
The lifter who casually flicked that 650.3 lbs off his back, was Francis Tournefier, at 99kg bodyweight.
What i understand now, is that choosing your Squat, has a lot to do with you Musicial Preferences.
That look of Pyrros Dimas at the end... hilarious
Exact 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Αναρωτιεμαι πως δεν καταληγουν τραμματιες στο τελος
What was that footage from?
@@FK-we1dp The final footage from Pyrros was during the ceremony of his fourth and last Olympic Medal (bronze) in Athens. Summer of 2004.
@@ChristosPamp888 thanks man. Why is he shaking his head, just emotional? They used it in such a funny context here it’s hard to tell what he’s communicating.
Another possible name for the video:
Quality vs Quantity.
By quantity I was meaning to the weight
quarter squatting 300kg(powerlifting) or atg for 230kg(weightlifting)?
Jokk3asd be my guest :D
Jokk3asd i guess you can quarter squat 450kg then
+Yopi8 i think he meant clarence kennedy i seen him get 300 kg full depth with a pause
This is like aesthetic art vs shitting
Very biased video, but I get your point
Very biased indeed... selection bias.
B T Darwinism!!!!
It's supposed to be funny because powerlifters act like turbo rage ultra god monsters until they actually have to lift
Do some research, and youll see the top sofistication of the Olympic lifter, to the same ratio of powerlifter that actually have grace to use proper form. Thats just statistics man... but, yes. Very bais indeed
@@shitposterextraordinaire6680 it's not that. Those squats (the powerlifting ones shown) aren't even legal in IPF...
Edit: added context
These olympic lifters stand up faster with 250kg on their shoulders than I stand up from my chair wtf
Those Olympic lifters are just poetry in motion. Pure class.
HAHA! Love the Pyrros Dimas crying reaction! :D
cracks me up every time!
From the hip flexors to the IT bands to the tendons and ligaments in your knees and ankles all the way up to the back and shoulders you feel every little detail with the Olympic squat, ATG ♾.
Once you start squatting high bar ATG like an olympic lifter you just can't take low bar seriously.
Jack facts
100% agree
i think its just two different thing, im just sad because lot of powerlifter want to overcome lack of mobility with what they call ''raw power'', where your human body is just not 100% free in his move
Fuck off dumbass. Low bar squats build total body strength. If you put a person through a program that uses low bar squats vs putting high bar squat, the person doing low bar squats will build more overall strength.
Pro olympic lifters vs pro powerlifters are doing very different things however. One is based on explosiveness and other really huge weights moving at a slow rate. YOU ARE (most likely) NOT A FUCKING PRO LIFTER. So it won't matter. Do low bar squats if you want functional strength. Do high bar if you want to become a pro olympic lifter (or an amateur weightlifter if you simply like the challenge of doing cleans, snatch etc) or as an assistance exercise for low bar. Stop pretending you high bar squat a million times more than average low bar squatters or are somehow "technically" better. You don't and you aren't.
You're absolutely braindead if you think high bar squats are objectively better than low bar squats.
@@Zipped_in high bar is a LOT more useful for athleticism than low bar simply because it builds your quads wayyyy more and because it mimics positions in sports a lot more than low bar. A high bar squat angled forward is more or less a sprint stance for example, low bar has no real positional carryover to anything. It lets you lift a little more absolute weight most of the time but overall unless you're powerlifting high bar is better for everything else
These lifters are the worst representations of powerlifting
The powerlifting song is 'surrounded by silence' by Design The Skylines. It starts around the 2 minute mark.
Thank you, sir.
Thanks bud ;)
Powerlifting squat should be called hip dips lmfao
"BuT YoUr KnEeS ShOuLd NeVeR Go FuRtHeR ThAn ThE TiP Of YoUr ToEs!!!"
Kneeovertoes guy says hello
@@gainer448 lol was thinking the same thing when i saw this comment.
Says the dumb guy who does know shit about high bar squats
@@svperionsatanam7526 i cant tell if you got that obsolete was mocking people who think that or not
@@sakaue I get it dude, in highbar is very common that knees point further
Even powerlifters hate these “squats”
For those who don't understand. In proper federations these squats would be red lighted into oblivion. But even then, powerlifters don't go as deep as weightlifters. The main reason is the fact that powerlifters mostly employ lowbar position (the barbell rests on your lower delts). This position pushes your back and knees forward,( to make sure the center of gravity goes through middlefoot). Going ATG with this position is both dangerous and physiologically impossible for most of the population due to lack of enough ankle mobility. But at the end of the day lowbar WILL allow you to move more weight due to extra employment of lower back and hamstrings. Highbar position which is the one that WL use allow you to keep your torso vertical which is what's needed for snatch and clean and jerk. WL don't have use for lowbar even though lowbar would allow them to squat more.
For anyone reading this today: this is not true. I can ATG low bar and high bar. It's not dangerous and it feels genuinely comfortable. Western people like to act like deep squats are not physically possible when lots of the world manages to rest in that position.
@@MrMinermation It's an incredibly narcissistic and self-centered stance to think that just because YOU can squat ass to grass both ways, that everybody can. There are 8 billion people on Earth and you are ONE of them. I can't squat ass to grass lowbar, there is no way in hell. Also there is no actual reason to go ATG if your primary goal is strength and not power and mobility, which is what highbar and ATG is for. Check your information first before you comment again.
@@MrMinermation Squatting to parallel is absolutely fine and powerlifters and strongman show time and time again that is the best way to obtain maximum strength, you gaslighters constantly have to act all mighty and high with your ATG philosophy. Get off your high horse, dude.
Only part I see wrong here is your knees don't go forward in low bar. High bar is more Quads and results in more need flexion, low bar is more back and doesn't have as much knee flexion. Watch a high bar lift vs a low bar lift from the side. You lean more forward yes, but knees do not go forward, they actually stay further back. And I also can comfortably go deeper with low bar. Because since my knees don't go further out, my ankle mobility isn't as restrictive.
@@mirkomarjanovic3234 you just need to train mobility. It's not impossible. Every single olympic lifter who has trained mobility can do it. It's an incredibly lazy and demotivating stance to think that just because YOU can't be bothered training mobility, everyone else shouldn't give it a go as well.
This guy really be finding the worst lifts in powerlifting he can
Two of the powerlifters are Westside "legends" who set world records by quarter squatting.
Revisiting this is always a good time.
Music is still on par with every powerlifting gym ever
I feel like you kinda chose all the worst videos of powerlifting squats
Nathan Wilson for sure a cherry picked video
how is the video cherry picked, all of those were officials as u can see...
Obviously but it supposed to demonstrate the difference in attitude between the two disciplines. Look how slim and athletic the Olympic lifters are and how pudgy the powerlifters are and when you factor in actual form the weights aren't that different.
@@KC-yd5kj Comparing raw, actual full-depth powerlifting to weightlifting, the powerlifting squats are clearly stronger because it's one of their competition lifts. Those geared up powerlifting feds are barely even powerlifting at all as they do not follow the accpeted "crease of the hip below the top of the kneecaps" rule.
@@KC-yd5kj “the difference in attitude.” Have you ever been to a powerlifting meet? If you don’t hit at least depth on squats you get red lighted.
this video will never be not funny
I swear some powerlifters do everything to make ROM as short as they can
I get the impression this guy doesn’t like powerlifting.
I've always done squats Olympic style. Fairly close stance and I sit right down with it. Not very heavy weight to be honest but full range of motion for sure. I've literally had someone come up to me after finishing a set and ask "those look really good what do you call that?" And I was just doing squats.... Focus on your damn form people, leave your ego elsewhere!
The champions league theme in the background is pure gold haha
Funny thing is Simmons believes that it's the way squats should be done and that oly lifters "don't know how to squat". "Wide builds narrow" he said.
These geared lifters would get buried in the hole if they were to squat 600lbs atg raw.
majungasaurusaaaa yeah you haven't written books on Powerlifting, Coached for 45+ years, researched and experimented on athletic performance or even built Machine that have revolutionized strength training. Louie Simmons has, so his words reign supreme over yours.
Appeal to authority doesn't win arguments. Wide doesn't build narrow. And the stuff Simmons put together is just borrowed from the commies anyway. I'd rather learn straight from the legit source. And the legit sources would laugh at Simmons and his backyard junk sport. And they certainly don't have their athletes do that abomination of a squat.
majungasaurusaaaa Yeah not with that little rejected shit in your head you call a brain. So still your words and opinion isn't worth for shit.
Don't take my word butthurt one. Take the words of those who were ready to breed children to win over a junk sport guy who borrowed their programming stuff. Simmons hasn't come up with anything new. And then his ego got the better of him. He goes beyond his wheelhouse, which is making geared wrapped up dudes do sumo barely parallel squats. He'd be laughing stock in the strength and conditioning world if he wasn't that obscure. Yes, beyond powerlifting he is obscure. Brb having martial artists, oly lifters and football players do that sumo thing as their main squat movement.
majungasaurusaaaa dude I said it before. Your words don't mean for shit. You haven't tried it you don't know it, it's as simple as that.
the first squat was impressive. the powerlifting squats weren't event IPF deepth..
That's the point of the video? It's horribly biased.
i think its funny when u go wider than a sumo and still sqaut 3 miles high
The "powerlifting" ones aren't even powerlifting squats those are called, "assisted powerlifting squats" or "geared powerlifting squats" they're not even recognized by most federations
Only the first one was impressive? Klokov sat down with 260 kg (572#)
Sorry, but the Olympic squats are much better.
Olympic lifting is better in my opinion.
Tyler Hamrick no
Jose Hernandez how to get stronger squats
Yea but oranges taste better
@Dance Electric And half the raw strength don't forget that
Olympic lifters lift pussy weight.
I like how the olympic lifters just look like they drank some coffee looaded the bar then squatted. Very powerful yet so eloquent
This is truly one of my most favourite videos on the internet
They dont even feel like athletes at all. #clarencekennedy
Aljaž Jesen Harry I lift heavy as fuck Potter
@@Armored_RC that comment is too good to be a hidden reply
Harry Squatter
The song that plays during the olympic squats is the Champions League theme for anyone wondering
the virgin below parallel squat vs the chad quarter squat
I'm a RUclips commenter, and I'm PIIISSSSEEEDDDDD
lol
+skirts365 ^^^ pretty much
0:25 is that the record for quarter squat
This ain't even a real world record.. it a nowhere world record actually.
American's started powerlifting since they couldn't beat people in international Olympic weightlifting, so makes sense.
most biased video ever. Equipped Powerlifting vs weightlifting squat. stick some ipf videos up of ray Williams malanichev belyaev etc picture changes a lot.
Chris Jenkins malanichev and belyeav are banned in the ipf
And? Your mocking the squats powerlifters perform, the fact they are banned for ped's is irrelevant.
just saying... you talked about ipf and these guys..
the fact about doping is the main topic in the ipf!
and btw iam not saying you are not right.. ipf rules are strict for squatting and no comparison with usa wide stance monolift backyard squatting!
I could name a ton of other powerlifters that could be mentioned in this video and it would paint a very different picture. You think dymmas and ivan chakarov were clean? I don't get what point your trying to make. This RUclips video tries to belittle the Powerlifter squatting. The equipped lifts in this video are fucking garbage. Nobodies mentioned anybody doping, well only you. Ill mention ISIS just to be as random as you. Weightlifters are excellent athletes. There are some fantastic Powerlifters, both deserve respect.
***** All lifters deserve respect although I would prefer to watch Weightlifters Squat because they are so impressive, I'm not a big fan of the backyard Powerlifting but I don't go out of my way to disrespect them either, treat others as you wish to be treated. I think you will find a lot of high level raw drug tested lifters are not clean, they just don't get caught. You have to do an athletic movement to get in the Olympics? There's more athleticism involved in Powerlifting than Archery. Powerlifting is not in the Olympics because of Weightlifting more like. Weightlifting is very technical and takes years to master, anybody who does has my respect. Give respect and you will get it back.
Music: olympic squats: UEFA Champions League Anthem
powerlifting "squats": Design the Skyline (don't know which song)
고마워~~ 이거 듣고 스쿼트
Olympic squat vs American powerlifting competitions squat*
0:38
JESUS CHRIST WTF THAT DEPTH OMG HOW
How it should be done
Slav
the Olympic lifters form is actually beautiful...
Champions league theme music really helped drive this home
You should be comparing squats of weightlighters to raw powerlifters not geared ones.
Pyrros’ face at the end was perfect 🤣
Olympic bois be like: An elegant exercise from a more civilized time.
Olympic lifting .... Where's my boy Clarence ?
I'm personally offended by the way some people choose to bend their hips and knees.
I would say: full Olympic squat vs powerlifting half squat
Olympic squats make my knees feel like their about to explode
Exagerated but true, weightlifters squats to get stronger on their lifts not to compete on an assistance exercice.
Powerlifting squat: Slightly bend your knees as you move your torso forward, giving the impression of some depth. GOT IT!
just to fix it. The name of the vid shall be oly squats vs westside barbell "squats".
I'm a powerlifter at IPF, and I'm in tears of laughing at those "lifters".
by the way, comparing a raw ipf comp to these guys would make a sense in technical point of view, but this one for fun is just perfect :D