[슈취타] SUGA x RM | Communication Skills Analysis
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Would love to hear your thoughts on their relationship!
Suga is usually so reserved but I remember when they won their first big award at I believe 2016 mamas and he and RM break down together backstage reminiscing about when they day dreamed about going to that award show one day. Super sweet moment
They're two of the members who aren't really touchy with others, but you still feel the bond they share, how much they care for each other. I think their relationship is so special, as Katherine here mentioned, they've been together the longest, since the very beginning and have grown alongside each other as musicians and people for over 10 years. And like you said, I could listen to them talk all day haha
My opinion is that he's not looking at the person bc it's a protective mechanism he developed a long long time ago. It's not a lack of interest, he's deeply listening to Namjoon while he seems to stare at the table, he's kind of looking with his ears.
when it comes to suga and rm i definitely feel that they have a mutual inward care and respect for each other that they have built up over the 10+ years they have known and worked closely with one another. they are by far the least physically affectionate pair out of bts at least on camera, but you can tell they mean a whole lot to each other regardless and that they know they have each others back.
@@suzannahmontreal1051 I am also like that, 'looking with ears' thing. But the reason for me is different. I usually absorb better when I am not using my eyes. When I really pay attention to something or someone, I don't use my eyes much cuz, if i do, it will decrease my concentration to other people. Maybe it comes with my job to since I was an architect and now a graphic designer, I easily got stimulated from visuals & sensitive to little details in my surrounding. So when listening to other people, I try to turn off my "eye-brain" for a moment. And maybe because I am an introvert too. So, it's a combination of things.
The fact that they're the ones who know each other for the longest time is so cute cause Yoongi still can't do eye contact with him but they're really SO close.
😂
It is funny
Right 😂💜💜💜💜
If suga had a love language it would definitely be acts of service. Like when he assembled the guys beds when they were camping or made them snacks when they were playing video games. Or on his birthday when he hand wrote 300 individual notes for the fans and handed out snacks and drinks that he bought for them with his own money. He’s not flowery or showy but he does like to get across that he cares.
Man sorry guys I was using voice to text when I wrote this and I’ve had to edit it so many times 😂 thank u all for catching my drift
Good point👏🏻
On point.
That's true. He is not showy in that way. Even when they make their Bangtan Bangtan BangBangtan huddle he doesn't like looking at his members. He said he will only look at them when it will be their last performance or when it will be their last performance.
@@aissaagregado3309 I thought of that during this, too! When he kept talking about the eye contact. Very astute 💜 good memory.
Talking about RM liking validation from Suga, around the 9 minute mark, you cut right after that where he tells RM his voice has improved, rather than been "polluted" as RM said of himself. (He never lets the members speak badly of themselves.) He definitely gives validation, but he is very understated about how he does it. That is largely the case for Yoongi overall. And I think Namjoon knows that, so he doesn't expect any different from him. In the beginning you notice Yoongi doesn't match Namjoon's excitement level, but it's also true that Namjoon doesn't lower his level to match Yoongi. The same is true of eye contact. Yoongi doesn't do eye contact well, so Namjoon doesn't expect it. He looks at him, but there's no frustration that he's not looking back. He can tell he's listening because he knows him well. They're both free to be themselves without having to match each other. I think that's the kind of closeness they have. 💜
Very well said. It's great seeing comments like these that offer me a new perspective. Thank you :)
Yes well said
Perfectly said
Omg you worded perfectly
It also true that Yoongi is big on respect. In one of their movies he said that the closest they get the more respectful they must be towards each other. Also, Yoongi has always been very vocal about the respect and admiration he feels for RM often calling him Best Leader.
Suga never misses the chance to mention how many years he has known RM. Also I've notice that Namjoon tends to act like his younger brother self around yoongi and Jin.
Suga and rm have known each other the longest in bts.
They both are intuitives but rm is an extroverted intuitive and suga is an introverted intuitive....
Both have strong opinions on music, so in their early days these two used to fight.... throwing washed laundry at each other which jhope worked hard to fold.
RM likes his music to be speculative... metaphors and ideas and analogies.
Suga like his music to be conclusive, direct and story based with organic production.
Somehow these 2 with opposing ideas of music came together. Bringing their verses together in bts songs.
They have a respectful bond in bts... both don't overly show physical affection to each other... but there is a silent acknowledgement of the other. They have seen each other grow from the beginning.
Its just respect.
I like how you described RM's music as speculative and Suga's conclusive.
Interesting what you say about their music delivery style, I always wandered why, if this 2 have the same ideals, messages, are not much closer. But with your information I can see that the path to express them are different, they might not like the other's delivery path but they will accept them for the sake of the group.
@@nathsce3808 Cedieron en sus ideas por una meta en común y contribuyeron a nutrir un grupo. Hay respeto no hay duda de eso, hay reconocimiento, amor no hay duda la hay. Pero es "distancia" creo que siempre la tendrán, tienen tanta pasión por su arte por sus ideales que aprendieron a convivir y no a imponer, eso lo hace tan especial y tan hetereo a la vez, casi espiritual.
I agree on everything except the "introverted intuitive". Please don't let me begin this discussion. It's hard to hold myself. 😅🤐😶🌫
@@nathsce3808
I don’t think they dislike the others way at all!
It’s just *different* and so it could be frustrating when you’re working on the same album, same song but you have different ways of storytelling.
Same thing for in a conversation, their perspectives are so different that younger versions of them would certainly clash - it’s lucky and admirable that they’ve learned to understand each other
Respect is definitely the word of the day 💜
i think namjoon is fine with the lack of “enthusiasm” because he knows how yoongi is
lol there’s a good chance you’re right
I'd say that RM and Suga are the furthest apart in terms of personality. RM is very outgoing, talks a lot and has this unique mix of maturity and childishness. Suga is a true introvert, who is very mature and calm most of the time.
But both really overlap in terms of mindset, vision, life philosophy and creativeness. They always seemed the most aligned in the group (by far) and have incredible respect for each other.
Suga not looking in RM's eyes is not unique to their relationship. He struggles with it most of the time, except when he gets really passionate about something. To be fair, he is just more distant in his interactions with everyone, but clearly cares deeply for his group and has a lot of respect for RM.
That's why ARMY loves when Suga jumps into a fan service like Little Meow Meow cuteness. It's so out of character, but so adorable.
SUGA and RM are closer than they are to other members I believe. And SUGA doesn’t throw RM off because RM knows SUGA very very well. SUGA said himself he is not good with eye contact. It is a running joke with the members and ARMYS laugh at it too. 😄
Two legends. I like that.
To give you an example of how in tune SUGA and RM are with each other, watch BTS press conference where that reporter asked them about plagiarism allegations. RM heard SUGA make one little sound (SUGA mmms sometimes before he speaks), RM immediately put down his mic and SUGA took over .
I am not sure. I feel like JHope and RM are closer in terms of a relationship. Probably due to the nature of Korean culture surrounding age. It just lifts a lot of barriers right away.
I think SUGA and RM have the most respect for each other and understand each other really well, because they have very similar mindsets.
Another very small barrier might be RM's role in the group. SUGA once mentioned that there will always be 1% distance, because RM is the leader, so there needs to be some kind of respectful distance (even if it is very small)
yeah, i think it's a respect thing that causes the sort of barrier they have
because yoongi is older and not like jin who just doesn't act older or doesn't care to be treated with respect as someone older usually (like the culture around that doesn't impact him, unlike most people in korea but he will respect people older than him but he doesn't want that barrier personally)
and rm is the leader of the group and yoongi wants to treat that with respect so i think for both of them in particular, it's harder because there are barriers on both sides
whereas it's easier with rm and jin because jin doesn't care about the age thing, their father's are best friends and i think rm doesn't care if he's treated as a leader in their off time (i think he used to but now he doesn't as much or at all at least when they aren't performing)
and as far as eye contact goes, i think yoongi is like me and just hates eye contact and i think he know he doesn't have to put up a front with any of the boys so if he doesn't want to make eye contact, he won't
@@X5J2UY this reminds me of luffy and zoro’s (one piece) relationship as a captain and his first mate 😂 idk how my brain went there but it did
Note the difference when they do small talk and when they speak like colleagues though. Suga is so much more engaged and meets RM's gaze so much more when he's speaking about his passions.
As cheesy or intense as it sounds, to me, Suga and RMs relationship comes down to this: they are the key to each others dreams. They're incredibly different in almost every way but at the end of the day, they agreed to put all of that aside and make each other succeed, and they have. They've (all 7) grown together through work and sacrifice and love for 10+ years and at this point they give me the vibes of two people who can finally let go of the hard times and can spend a little time enjoying this thing they built. Every BTS member is equally important but I think RM and Suga having a vision and putting faith in each other to make it happen really set the tone for the whole thing.
You described it so well! This is what I've always thought of the two. Even though every single member is important, I honestly think the drive and respect that RM and Suga generate is truly what set them on the right path, or set the tone for their future.
i feel like Namjoon finds a sense of freeness with members like Yoongi and Jin because they are older than him. It's like me and my siblings. I am close with all my siblings, but I feel free to act more excitable "child-like" with my older siblings. I really get that sense from him when he's with the two of them.
They know each other in and out. And that's Suga's way of communication. Don't think that he will miss one single gesture or word that RM is making. He sees and hears everything. Suga is known by his members as the one with the least eyecontact. But when he does look at him you know exactly how he feels and how much he loves all his members
Yoongi really takes some time to warm up and is awkward with obvious expressions of affection, whilst namjoon can be a little self-conscious about showing affection (even though he is very warm hearted) so namjoon reacts with caution around yoongi as joon doesn't want yoongi to feel uncomfortable haha. As compared with someone like taehyung who isn't self-conscious if he is in the mood to be affectionate and also compared to hoseok who can keep the energy high on his own even if the other person doesn't respond as much (in fact, hoseok especially tries to be even more energetic around yoongi because he knows yoongi likes that dynamic with hoseok XD)
Yep I also see that namjoon is someone in general who loves communicating, he bonds with people through expressing thoughts and emotions and because yoongi isn't as verbal, the flow isn't as natural and namjoon wants that verbal acknowledgement about what he's saying from yoongi... not an approval per se but more like a "yeah i totally get what u mean. yes exactly" from yoongi. Because that's how namjoon bonds with people -- when he feels understood.
Towards the middle, u can see yoongi start to make eye contact (after some drinks loosened him up and when they started talking about deep topics they both are passionate about and yoongi starts to be extremely curious about namjoon's thoughts).
Both Namjoon and Yoongi are different species but lead in their own way. Namjoon is more like a dog, and Yoongi more like a cat. It's really interesting to see their dynamic and how much they admire and support and respect each other, but each hold a 'distance of awe' for each other somehow? Haha
Max, I hope one day u get to watch that Run BTS episode where Namjoon and Yoongi had to walk across a bridge on a high-rise building and dance Permission to Dance in the middle. Yoongi had to be blindfolded and put his hands on Namjoon's shoulders and Namjoon had to lead him. It was really touching. Yoongi also said his true feelings of gratitude to Namjoon. Touching moment.
I loved reading this comment as well.
This sentence in particular made me think: "namjoon reacts with caution around yoongi as joon doesn't want yoongi to feel uncomfortable"
Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
RM and SUGA deeply love and respect one another. I think that out of the seven, the two show physical/emotional affection the least publicly, but they still do so occasionally and clearly have a deep deep respect for one another.
There is actually a very short clip in the bts episode video of when they went to the White House, where bts were in the waiting room getting ready to go into the press room. RM was going to be starting off their joint statement to the global press. He clearly looked nervous, but both SUGA and Jin (the oldest members) were surrounding him and SUGA was lightly rubbing RM's arm back and forth as a gesture of comfort. So they do show affection toward one another in moments like those, in very emotional moments like when they won the significant award at MAMAs for the first time and both were crying and embracing one another, or mostly privately.
I think RM is the member that SUGA respects the most and really admires as a leader and as a person. I think RM after 12-13 years of knowing SUGA, respects him and knows his personality well and takes care not to violate any boundaries. He accepts SUGA exactly as he is but still very much remains himself. Publicly, it may not make it super obvious but they have a very emotionally close loving and respectful friendship and I love that they have one another. 💜
I noticed that the child in Namjoon comes out to play when he is around Suga. Suga seems to be a safe space for Namjoon to let go of responsibility and just be playful. It's almost like he knows hyung will take care of it.
Their relationship is ok..Suga is like me a little I hate eye contact. Also Namjoon has beautiful eyes looking into them is a trap!!
Yoongi has hosted BTS kkul FM radio show since forever his show makes so much sense to armys because during COVID he brought all the members one by one to have a radio show type thing on vlive. Yoongi's way of communicating is not bad just different armys and BTS are already so used to it. If you ever have a chance take a look at yoongi's solo vlives in comparison to the other members solo vlives the difference is so clear he doesn't talk much at all and stays silent reading the comments it's not normal for a livestream but armys are already so used to it that we still stay and watch everything because thats just how yoongi is.
Appreciate the recommendation!
Yup
I like how u noticed Yoongi's way of taking care of u is to say "Have lots (of food)”. Yoongi really is a much more Acts of Service person, whereas I do think Namjoon is more of a Words of Affirmation person. Hence, the dynamic u see. :D
I don't think with Suga not making eye contact makes him less sincere or close to RM. He is an introvert and from all of the videos I've seen of him with the guys, he rarely does make any eye contact. I've actually enjoyed this episode of Suga and RM and could not stop smiling from their easy conversations. I love how deep their conversations got and to the hilarious/light moments, their intelligence surely shined.
Suga said that have difficulty for make eye contact, so it's for everyone
to me RESPECT is the word to describe their relationship
The thing I’ve notice between this two’s relationship, is respect. I think for RM and Yoongi it was difficult at first because even though they have a lot of similarities, their approaches are different. And I think for someone like RM, he has always had to try a little bit more for Yoongi. Yoongi is hard to read and hard to impress, even back then. I think they’ve come to accept each others personalities and perspectives. I notice it when RM tries to read Yoongis reactions in conversation, and when Yoongi tries to be more vocal with his compliments towards RM. It all comes with time, and willingness. All the members have really made the effort to understand each other, and make sure everyone is being considered. That’s why this specific duo is so intriguing because we can list so many similarities between the two, yet they are so different. Honestly, we can probably say that about anyone pair.
There is zero awkwardness. Young is a tsundere and that's just his style. He has radio shows, he is actually the best inteviewer. KulFM is unrivalled. suga is the big brother so it's on norm for him to look up to him. Suga does look at Namjoon. They are def not awkward but one would know this if they watched them with some consistency.
Even Yoongi has admitted in an interview that he's really bad at making eye contact with people. It's just a Suga thing. What I've noticed is, although Suga doesn't vocalize or show his affection/interest often, he does things for people that he likes. Like cooking for them, making things for them, etc. He's definitely one of the most introverted people I've seen lol. But it only makes it even more endearing when he actually expresses his affection out loud, like the time he sent messages to V and JK. Or when he gives compliments to the members. On an unrelated note, there's this compilation on RUclips of Yoongi trying but failing to hold hands with the members that is so, so cute. Like how can someone be so closed off but so endearing?
These guys have know each other for so long, been together longer than with their families and gone through all types of ups and downs in life, by now they are blood brothers for life. Yoongi listens to you even if he’s not looking at you, and Namjoon knows this very well. These two have had so so so many conversations over these 12 years about probably more than we would ever imagine. They are not as physical affectionate as the others in the group, but that doesn’t make them less close in my mind.
True
It’s interesting that they’re both by far the least comfortable with touch
What do you mean you never imagined Suga with a talk show? 😂 Dig deeper young one!! Suga has had his own talk show for years!! KKUL Honey FM 06.13- radio with Suga as the DJ. Some are videos like the 100 day post- debut episodes and yearly Festa shows, others are Audio- only Vlives.
I just commented this in response to someone saying this is new for Yoongi but I couldn't remember the name of the radio show. Plus he's the member that has been MC for the majority of the Run BTS episodes. I think because RM and Suga are close they just talked as normal so it didn't come off as the typical guest and host roles but Suga was like wait...."this is my show so I should do this"
RM and Suga are both such intense personalities. Sometimes they exhaust me with their passion. And Suga IS RM's hyung - his big brother.
When we have a relationship of admiration and respect for someone, sometimes it is difficult to have a very high level of intimacy. I think that's the case. They are friends but what comes first is the immense respect for each other.
That's a great point.
I think perhaps Max could learn a bit more about introverts and neurodivergence. RM and Suga have a beautiful friendship and are quite close.
right, i don't think it has been officially stated before, but i think yoongi must be somewhere on the neurodivergent spectrum
@@bbiberry he explained that he had adhd once when they were trying to meditate and he couldn't sit still
@@bbiberry totally agree
to me they're the closest ones in bts , i think when u see them just being themselves without the interview settings you'll see that
right
Wondering if part of the eye contact thing is due to the fact that this is Suga's first episode of his show, so he's getting his bearings, etc. Seems like he's looking at the camera a lot.
Man I really loved this episode. It really shows how incredibly close they are, ESPECIALLY because they don't match each other. They've known each other for ten years and their relationship was pretty rough in the beginning. But because of that they grew really close and have a deep sense of respect for each other (they even made a song called Respect). Do you know that feeling of desperately trying to match the energy of a new friend you're making? That just don't have that. They know they can just be themselves because they won't judge. Yoongi doesn't do eye contact much and that's just him. He doesn't get crazy energetic a lot of the time and that's just him. Namjoon likes eye contact and easily talks a lot. That's just him. And both of them know that. Namjoon might look at Yoongi a lot while talking but he doesn't expect Yoongi to do the same. Yoongi might keep his energy leveled but he doesn't expect Namjoon to do so too.
They're just so chill, it kind of makes me jealous.
Remember when Yoongi said Joon was one of his favorite people and when Joon said he would choose Yoongi as the person he would like to be with if he had to stay his last day on a island because there a lot of things they haven’t said each other yet. They have both described each other as to know what the other is thinking without speaking, they are not very visibly affectionate but love and respect each other deeply. Remember Joon is the one who makes Yoongi laugh the most easily
Yoongi is actually a great mc, in Run BTS, it's always him and Jin who's going to be the MCs of some episodes and they're funny...
there’s this one interview they did in Korea where he actually said to the interviewer that if he's not an idol, maybe he was in the place of the interviewer 😅
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Oh, joon and his min "i have known namjoon for a decade" yoongi hyung 😄 (he's always mentioning this even when no one asks lol) This is the best duo, they're not overly affectionate or anything but once you watch them for some time, you see the silent love and appreciation they have for each other.
Food really is SUGAs love language… watch the Soops.. he loves taking care of the boys with food … def his love language … God i love these two
💜💜
Suga is a diagnosed ADHD, and all the members know he is a tsundere (cold externally, but soft on the inside). RM who has known him for 13 years (living together for 10 of these) knows him through and through. They dreamt and cried together in the early days of hardships. They have huge RESPECT for each other as creatives and bros in arms. Suga being the extreme introvert has expressed gratitude to RM for his leadership of BTS. You should check out their duet RESPECT, which catches their sense of humour. Also, their other duet from AgustD’s track, STRANGE.
2:48 Haha here's a fun fact: It was one of Yoongi's dreams to become a talk show host. Once during a show when the host asked him what he'd have done if he wasn't BTS he said "I'd be sitting where you are"
He even had his own radio talk show he did through Vlive called "Kkul (Honey) FM with Suga" where he hosted segments similar to this with all BTS members. So this is no surprise and nothing new to the fandom cos we know he LOVES doing this and is pretty amazing at it too!
To me, Suga is the most affectionate out of all members only because his love language and personality are almost identical to mine. I'm the same age as him and even our Myer Briggs personality type is the same (we are both ISTP) I struggle to make eye contact due to my social anxiety even with my own parents and partner but that doesn't mean I do not love them. The ways INTPs/INSPs show love and appreciation are just different, that's all. I really hope you explore Yoongi's personality more because the idea you have right now, I would say is not too well aligned since you've not really explored his solo Vlives, all the things he has done for BTS and ARMY over the years, the letters/messages he wrote to us etc. By the way, that is understandable cos we're talking about 10-plus years of content and an overwhelming amount of it 😅With him, it is always the LITTLE THINGS that might go unnoticed until you really see them. Armys and BTS who have been with him for years do see how loving and caring he is because we've seen soo much and know soo much about him.
yoongi has adhd that’s most likely the reason why he doesn’t like making eye contact often i feel like it’s important to consider things like neurodivergence when judging people’s relationship based on body language
i don't think it is between suga and RM its between RM and everyone ,but i feel behind the scenes its 100% and they do understand eachother 100% let me refrase, answer is love , it is in bottom of all their interactions just LOVE
RM was recently asked which of the members he felt closest to and could count on the most. His answer was "Yoongi". No hesitation.
Namjoon and Yoongi are two VERY different people in terms of their personalities, but the little insights they’ve offered into their relationship over the years makes it absolutely clear how much they love and respect one another. As they mentioned here, Namjoon and Yoongi have known each other the longest out of the BTS members. They bring this up regularly - to the point that it’s a running joke for Army. There are also entire compilations on RUclips/Twitter of Yoongi praising RM’s leadership. Even though they struggled to get along pre-debut, they definitely understand one another now. After winning their first Daesang award Yoongi mentioned how he and RM had spent nights staying up late, talking about the future, and crying together. I think they love one another fiercely, but also quietly. And regardless of their different personalities and styles of communication, their respect for one another is palpable!
It's said a lot, but Suga really is like a cat
suga definitely starts to open up more when he speaks about things hes passionate about like music, in fact i remember rm said in an interview one time that behind the scenes suga is super talkative about the things hes interested in like when he gets obsessed with a new mobile game lol! also id like to note that the alcohol probably helped him loosen up throughout this video lol the members have said he starts acting very cute and is really talkative when tipsy and we also see it in a number of contents. usually its like he has this wall up but once it comes down theres no stopping him
Max, you said everything that I thought about the relationship between these two. I think you're right that this is a conversation between legends, between two true musicians. I also felt that in their BE-hind interview.
I think they find an equal in each other in terms of music. With the other members, they're always the ones more experienced and end up as a kind of mentor, especially for the maknae line. But with each other, they have similar experiences, starting young as rappers in the underground scene, receiving the same backlash early in their career. They have a similar level of musicianship and deep respect for each other. They can just be themselves and talk freely about music, knowing that the other gets them.
I think all members are used to Yoongi's low-energy personality. They don't mind if he doesn't match their higher energy and actually find it cute. There's a group conversation where they affectionately call him a tsundere (cold on the outside but warm in the inside).
Suga didn’t have validation from a very young age so it seems he finds difficult to give it to others. As an introvert he very seldom maintains eye contact with people but it doesn’t mean he is not listening. I agree with you that RM seeks validation. Suga’s brain is on another wavelength but love his quirks.
As much as RM is mature he also has this childish innocence to him. He's also very goofy from time to time. A lot of namjoon's friends (including Jimin,John eun, Kim sawol,etc) described him as pure and genuine.
they are both competitive towards each other as producers and music maker, but also has a very deep respect towards each other and considering they have been living together for more than 10 years, they always have a sense of partner in crime in penetrating the music industry together as someone who has the same background and fighting the same fight...
It's very true that this 2 men coolness are in another level. Suga could stay quite for hours in front of camera or live broadcast while RM cannot stand to spoil something he knew in excitement. They fought together from the very beginning, they know how to support each other in their own way, while suga is savage, rm will spread love. Last but not least, the 2 are genius in music and smart in communication with different ways
I actually find Yoongi's communication style very welcoming. If I was RM, by Yoongi not looking at me, I'd feel less pressure and like I have the space to say truly whatever I want without expectation. For me, I interpret it as room to breathe as he verbally acknowledges what's being said by nodding or making sounds of acknowledgement. They respect and appreciate one another so much. Yoongi is constantly reminding everyone that he's known Namjoon the longest. It's maybe one of his greatest flexes! I think their closeness can be defined in their perceived distance. Only when you're truly comfortable with someone can you have this kind of in depth conversation while appearing to look like acquaintances.
I was just having this conversation with my friend about the differences between Yoongi and Namjoon. Both of them have the capacity to be open and share deep parts of themselves with the world, however, in conversation, Yoongi is someone who is uncomfortable with being vulnerable. He prefers to express his vulnerability through his music. And any time he does share parts of himself in interviews or through conversation, it's always intellectualized vulnerability. He always looks back at his negative experiences logically. Anytime I've seen interviews of Yoongi talking about his painful experiences, his depression, or whatever it's always like he's okay with talking about it because he distanced himself away from it.
Whereas Namjoon, is not like that at all. Namjoon expresses himself openly in conversation and through music. He is self-reflective in a way that he feels his emotions and processes them.
I noticed this when they were doing their Festa and Namjoon was in tears expressing how he felt about the "break" and Yoongi interrupted him by saying, "Namjoon, you're making me cry." and then immediately tells himself, "HEY DONT CRY!". to avoid feeling negative emotions.
I think a lot of the perceived distance between them is just because neither of them are as demonstrative as the other members. They love each other deeply. (The last bit with the summary of Namjoon's life ending with "and the person who was beside him all the way" really made me tear up.) One thing about the initial drink-pouring... Joon was showing deference to Yoongi as the elder. You can see it in the way he was holding his free hand across his chest. The younger pours for the elder. When Suga turns around and pours Joon's drink, that was a big statement of respect. Also, Yoongi rarely makes eye contact with anybody.
sugas problem with eye contact is a well known thing amongst the guys and armys lol its not just with rm hes just like that, a true introvert. sometimes the guys make fun of him for it and try to force eye contact with him on purpose all in good fun of course :P i think the same thing is true with suga not meeting others levels of enthusiasm, ive found hes just not super outwardly expressive like that unless it has to do with something hes really passionate about. on the contrary, i think the only member he rlly tries to meet the excitement level of is jhope, they are a riot together when they want to be! i hope you react to some jhope x suga content sometime soon, itd be cool to hear your thoughts on their dynamic since suga acts so differently around him compared to the others
Suga looks gorgeous with this hairstyle! He is so pretty and charming! And I love his voice when he is talking, he has a nice melody, nice tone, it´s just calming and it relaxes me. I sometimes listens to his voice (his vlive) in korean before sleep not understanding a single word. His voice is very attractive and comforting.
RM is unique leader. He can lead all BTS member in respect ways.
Max, I’d love to see your analysis on Jackson Wang’s recent interview on the Daebak Show with Eric Nam… They’ve split it into 2 parts and I think he was very raw and vulnerable, I’d like to see your take on it, if you’re interested.
Suga is happy and equally excited as RM, because hes talking soooooo much here. Compared to his usual baseline where he is so quiet. Contrary to when you said these 2 appears distanced, they have the best telepathy between each other as they been together around the longest.
RM and Suga spent a lot of time together - there were other trainees for the group coming and going a lot after Jhope joined them and they didn't want to get attached to much. But after the group was secure the 3 of them worked hard together. You can see it in their early youtube diaries. Because they weren't given any air time on the radio or, to sing they used youtube to communicate and are probably the first group ... in Korea that started using youtube to communicate. That's really awesome.
These two members probably have the most respect for eachother and they even made a song called 'Respect' together about it. Rm and suga are different kind of people, but their love for music and artistry, and the members which bind them together keeps them tight. Both are geniuses and legends .
yoongi cares for them through acts of service more than anything else. he said in a past interview that his dad was the type to care for you and do things for you but not acknowledge that he's done those things. on stage, yoongi will open up a water bottle and hand it to one of the members without even looking at them. they teased him about this and he said it was because his dad cared for him in that same non-confronting way.
he's the type to go out and buy you medicines without you asking when you're sick instead of going in and asking if there's anything you need.
yoongi would hear you complaing about losing your favourite pair of gloves then put a new pair at the end of your bed while youre sleeping
Yoongi is the type of person that will tell you just once how he feels about you and then he will go back to being himself. He already admitted how hard is for him social interaction and how hard it was with the guys at the beginning. He really truly thank them for being so patient with him and respecting so well his personal space, specially when there was no physical space in them home.
We all know that the boys have an excellent relationship but I think the reason why Suga and RM look a bit awkward It is because of the format of the show, Suga Mc and RM guest, it is also the first ep and if you look closely the team behind the scenes is giving instructions or recommendations all the time,because many times they look towards the cameras with a look like they understood and continue with something else, maybe with the passing of time Suga will feel more free too, thanks for the video stay healthy and happy 💜
One thing about yoongi HE DOESN'T DO EYE CONTACT don't expect it from him because he can't BTS have said it way too many times it's not because he's not engaged or doesn't care he just can't do it he's just like me
Hi Max, like the others, this reaction does not disappoint.
Would you consider reacting to the first episode of the Dictionary of Useless Knowledge. It is interesting seeing Namjoon mixed with a group of people who are at the top of their fields. Really cool dynamic. That first episode has subtitles.
Hi Army. Can i ask you where you found the first episode with english subs? I don't find the video with subs other than korean. Thank you💜
Can you please share the link??
Hello. Here is a link to that episode. I hope this is not against the page rules.
ruclips.net/video/kcZXQ3ld-Vk/видео.html
@@sastov1681 tysm for sharing it! :'))
Thank you!
Re RM being so relaxed and enjoying his conversation with Suga about song writing, his new album, etc. He knows his role as a Leader is over. While he accepted it with responsibility and respect, he can finally relax and be himself. Being the Leader for 10 yrs
was beginning to wear...
At the Festa dinner, he knew he was the one to share the news about the break; .their non-stop lifestyle was over.
You could hear/see two distinct emotions; Sadness, "Part of me is going to miss all This, and ..I don't want to disappoint Army, they are the reason we are BTS."
But also Relief, "I don't have to do this anymore. I can be me. I/we don't have to be responsible to the WORLD anymore.
I don't have to dance around wearing
a sparkly jacket anymore."
And we all know he is an intellect, philosopher and poet.
True Story... In a runBTS episode they were talking about education, and JK said he didn't do well in school. Namjoon said, "You can always go back."
JK said No. The look Namjoon gave him could have stopped a train. ha
I just think these two are the least physically affectionate. Not unaffectionate (neither can seem to keep their hands off of Jimin, for example, but that’s because thats how Jimin is), just compared to the others who are sooo touchy-feely. I don’t think it makes them any less close tho. There’s also videos of the boys making fun of and imitating Suga’s lack of eye contact. One thing that is also worth mentioning is that there are 15-20 people we can’t see on the other side of the camera just watching them. Even if you’re used to it, it takes a second to listen up.
Good point. I do also think these 2 may be the least physically affectionate.
@@maxpbeaumont such a fun interview!
Totally!
I think some of the so called disconnect might come from the fact Suga is the elder brother. RM is the youngest of all the Hyung line. I think it has been reported that Suga has anxiety or is super introverted, so direct eye contact during a 1 on 1 convo might be overwhelming. My kid who has social anxiety is like that.
my face hurts from smiling at this video lol this episode was a treasure, namjoon is overflowing with good feelings i love it!
There is a reason the boys call SUGA "Meow Meow Hyung". He has the temperament and disposition of a cat: seemingly nonchalant, languid and reticent but fiercely protective and anticipative of responding to the needs of the rest of the boys just like a mom. He writes them long letters and text messages of love and appreciation whenever he senses they are having a hard time.
I agree...and I can sense about that every time watching their videos I can sense that RM have a huge respect to Suga
In Suga's previous radio show kkul fm, rm was the first guest,,in this show he is also the first guest,,, i think that whenever suga starts something new (conversation showsl he likes to start it with rm,,bcz he is actually very comfortable with rm...he tries new thing with the person whom he knows longest in the industry.
The guys knows Yoonie so well, they know when they can play and annoy him and when physical contact and jokes needs to die down. You can see that few times in Run BTS. Even before Suga gets really annoyed the guys perceive it. But they love to hug him and himself said he love them for that. He love them hugs he just feel weird sometimes, less thanks to them.
They have a very deep, mostly unspoken respect for each other. Suga uses intimate moments to tell Namjoon what a good leader he is.
The cutest this here too is that Suga is older than RM so he's RM's Hyung (older brother)...RM can be goofy and playful coz he's with his Hyung. I'm not Korean but I understand that there's usually an age dynamic that plays out amongst the guys as well 💜🥰
BTS in them own words is made of 7 very different personalities that would never be looking for each other. Them getting to know each other and learn to respect and like each other personality is a miracle, in J-hope words "destiny"
Another thing about these two other than how they are both so different yet so similar is that they are both the least physically affectionate guys in the group. I’ve never really seen these two throw in a casual hug unless it was during a touching moment or as a gesture in run bts during games. The only moment I can remember watching them hug for long was during a touching moment in their concert and award shows (followed with a bit of crying). You can imagine duos and like jimin and jhope or v and jungkook hugging casually and easily but unless during an important moment, I would imagine suga and rm being really really awkward about hugging each other 😂 (which I mean, I’m also really awkward at physical affection with my friend so I understand that feeling completely)
5:51 Somet😅I think he does more eye contact with people he doesn’t know vs with the other members. As someone who is also bad at it, it kinda feels like he feels more free to not worry about how much eye contact he makes with someone he knows because they understand. They know that even if he isn’t looking at them, he’s listening intently. But a stranger might not know that, so he tries harder. But of course I could just be projecting my own feelings.
i'm waiting for the next episode of suchwita to hear more of your inputs on yoongi himself. one would think yoongi wouldn't be the right fit for a talk show but he is a great host. he listens to everyone, let them talk without interrupting, ask questions related to what the person said and not just nonsense. he is someone with great and vast knowledge, even bighit said this on their press release. i'm very excited for the next episodes.
One of the first comments you made about Suga and atraccted my attention to your channel was something like, Suga is so honest and unfiltered that is the kind of guy that everyone would love to have his approval, brcause you know he is real for it. You nail it, so we can't blame Joonie for looking for his hyungie approval. We all would love to have his approval. I know because my brother is like that. Not big expectations but if it comes it tastes so good. My brother just told me 3 nice things in our live and we are 50, and one of those to others would sound cruel. For me it meant the world
yoongi has never been one to make eye contact and the members always talk about how he never makes eye contact w them 😭
About eye contact: did you know that when they do the group cheer before the concert (you know, standing in a circle with all of their hands in the middle, pushing down) that Suga does not look his members in the eye? He is the only one that looks away. He once said that he will look them in the eye when it's the last time doing a concert 😭
This is a relationship between 2 natural leader.
Suga has mentioned before that he has ADHD (love yourself tour behind i think?) so maybe that is why his reactions look so mild sometimes. I relate a lot to him (maybe that's why he's my bias) and I too struggle a lot with my reactions, I'm often responding flatly, a little bit monotonous but when someting excites me you can tell very easily. and I too, struggle with eye contact. It feels weird and I can't concentrate when I'm speaking, so maybe it's the same for him.
I think its interesting that you see them interacting differently, but i see them being perfectly in sync. If rm wasnt comfortable with Yoongi he would be quiet and reserved. He does a great job of mirroring people nd matching the energy of the people he's on tv with/being interviewed by. He seems totally happy and saying random energetic stuff, even if Yoongi isnt matching his style.
I love when these two have a conversation. I could listen to them talk all day. Great video!
love how the only time suga reserves eye contact w/ rm is when he is talking about their similar passion: music
what you said about validation is very interesting, i think part of yoongi's process of finding himself and maturing was realising that you can be honest without being blunt and figuring out how to balance that honesty with consideration for other people's feelings, the opposite is true (at least to me) with namjoon. they used to fight a lot back in the day and maybe that difference in opinion about validation was one of the reasons they butted heads so much: namjoon wanting yoongi to agree with him and yoongi not giving in. now it's like they've met in the middle and they live there peacefully, respecting eo's point of view
Yess i was waiting for you to check this out. I really appreciate you making these videos, much love!
I was really hoping you would do this as I watched it. I love these two so much, they are both so smart and I just love seeing their bond and the way they discuss things
I feel Suga is just naturally very introverted and shy in a way so he doesn't do the whole eye contact thing
I waiting for you to do this! Thank you for your analysis and reaction! 💜
YESSS SOO HAPPY Every time I receive a notification from you. I love your analysis in the videos
Max I enjoyed your comments so much. I always get the same feeling with Suga and RM being kinda awkward with each. The are supposed to understand each other the most, having been through so much, they suffered the most in terms of haters and really dogged hard work and both being extremely ambitious and deep thinkers. But somehow they are not each other’s chosen partners when they want support or comfort. I think one aspect might be that they have too much respect for each other, as they have mentioned. Almost an awe, which makes it difficult to get really close and comfortable, they almost don’t need each other, they are both too much of mentors almost.
Yesss was waiting for this!!
I really would love to have a conversation with RM about anything 🥰
Yes!! I was hoping you'd get to this one. 2 Dynamics at different ends of the spectrum. So good.
Amazing as always, thank you, Max
Just a side note - I think him not having eye contact with Namjoon can be because of his ADHD (he mentioned it himself in a video). I know that it's a pretty common struggle for people with ADHD and anxiety!
After 13 years together, as this 2 met in 2010. I am sure Joonie knows our Yoonie inside out and respects it and deals with it. This being said, it is not easy for Yoongie to deal with emotions. If he already have hard time dealing with social interaction and interview with someone who knows him is kind of exposing himself more and as RM knows him he doesn't feel the need.
this is one of the best interviews. they so clearly love and respect each other, can understand each other - yet cannot maintain basic eye contact which is hilarious in its consistency
i think suga only shows his affectionate side to people he has a crush on like jimin or hobi :) just like how you cant stop smiling when you see your crush he becomes enthusiastic when he sees his crushes. and the thing with rm comes from their competitiveness i think. from the beginning their story was frenemies 🤣 they bring some of the same components to the team that over the years they became more like people who understand and like each other rather than immediately get along with each other and thats okay.