Guys who deal with this bs don't have the stones usually. She would have been out long ago if he had options. Women know this that's why they chuckle when lap dog finally shows teeth. They have seen so many false alpha chest pumps they see through it. But then when it turns out to be real they realize they fucked up and judged a guy wrong as weak when he was always just giving the benefit of the doubt until he finally had enough. I dont watch this show and have no context on what type of guy he is beyond this moment but it's an interesting pattern that can be observed out in the world. Women don't chuckle at you when putting your foot down unless they have very little respect for you and don't believe you are the guy who means it.
@@guitarman0365that just means the guy didn't set boundaries or the women didn't respect you in the first place. Just based on this interaction I saw it as a kid shrinking from responsibility.
Nah, thats just a copout for wanting to blame random shit on people. In this particular scene Fiona wasn't responsible for the actions of Jason. Jason is sole person responsible for his actions, end of story.
I see both sides of this, truthfully. On one hand, it's easy to get mad at Lip and think that he was just lashing out at Fiona, and he was. Because probably, in his mind, he was just watching her turn into their father. Every single person in this family is deeply traumatized and damaged and they all struggle with being decent people because nobody taught them how to be. They just had to navigate and figure this shit out on their own since their own parents couldn't bring themselves to care about anyone more than themselves. Empathy, compassion, and so on are lessons taught to us by the adults in our lives, even if we can't fully remember those lessons. No, none of it was Fiona's fault, but she's stuck in a "I lost my childhood and had a bad life, and therefor I have a pass to be a shitshow now" loop. A lot of them were. A lot of people are.
@@syberroaster2861 no it isn't, he changed himself not only for him but for his family and his kid, Fiona is a grown ass woman still blaming people for her mistakes
Because I watched this show I got into sobriety. I held my first AA chip and flipped it in the air at the exact moment so did Lip. It looked like a sign I was on the right path. I am now over 3 years sober and I sponsor other men. I have even worked at a sober living house. This show helped change my life.
Imagine having no control of yourself and celebrating that. Imagine publicly announcing “I can’t control myself” and expecting people to pat you on the back. Bro grow the fuck up.
It was karma, she was a shit person, she may have had some good moments and went through a lot. But over and over again she did messed up things and acted like she was better than everyone else, while actively being a bad person.
@@dembolicalk229 dam ya'll acting like she should be a saint, a Jesus to Sacrifice and die for siblings. She did pretty good, considering the how well she raised her siblings and how they ended up.
agreed its the smugness... that smile mid argument.. its great acting. someone in the crew or one of the writers had to have lived the life first hand.
@@wadewilson4353 He's also a giant hypocrite. A lot of people get sober and look down at everyone else and act as though they weren't complete wastes of life when they were using and that's exactly what Lip does here. His lack of compassion for his broken sister, who realistically the main reason the family is still around is insanity.
@@Mike-qb9khexactly! Lip also NEVER takes responsibility for anything he does or has done. He always makes sure the blame is directed outward. His alcoholism was everybody else’s fault, he’s a Gallagher, it’s in his blood etc. But he does not give Fiona the same grace even though they grew up the same way. When he was in college and throwing away his life Fiona was stern but showed compassion. He never showed the same. He was smug throughout all her hardships. The show may have showed him get sober but Lip never really grew as a person. He remained explosive, smug and arrogant.
Sorry but she has a point. No one has ever asked if anyone is in AA. It’s not her responsibility ultimately either to check who can and can’t drink due to addiction. If you’re a struggling addict it’s up to you to save yourself. You can’t expect someone to come when you need it most you have to be able to find a way to ask for the help yourself if you need it. He had every opportunity to call Lip before he asked for that drink and every opportunity to walk away from her drinking. Lip has a right to be mad but he shouldn’t be mad at her.
I think Fiona definitely should take accountability for her consumption and how that might affect others even without her knowing. Although unknowingly, her excessive drinking to the point of carrying around a personal bottle of hard liquor like that incites potential relapse. it’s like a disease. Misery loves company.
Unless the guy told Fiona that he was a user or in recovery, she wouldn't know and wouldn't think to ask. Only reason I figured it out was because the camera showed him staring at the vodka like it had life saving medicine in it.
That's the point... Fiona knows exactly what alcoholism looks like. She also probably knows what someone trying to be sober but is still struggling looks like. Before Fiona started slipping and became an alcoholic, she would have noticed that he was not okay. But she was drunk and only cared about having someone to drink with, and so she ignored all the signs that he was a recovering addict. That is why lip was saying that she didn't care enough to notice
@@TheProductofFallout She was drunk and wasn't paying attention to his face. Also he asked for a drink, it would've been rude to say no when she had no idea he was in recovery.
@@Julius-tp9mgI honestly thought at first him saying "You mind?" As a would you mind taking that away but he also left it open enough for her to think he just wants some drink
Did you miss the part where Lip said "you didn't care enough to know." Old Fiona wouldve cared enough to know. She turned into Frank. Lip turned into Fiona.
@@IDiggPattyMayonnaise Do you go around asking people if they are recovering drug addicts or alcoholics? If I drunk alcohol and someone asked for some, i wouldn't cross my mind to ask them if they are in recovery.
She sacrificed everything for them, taking care of them even when Fiona needed help with her alcoholism. Despite always being there for others when they were at their lowest, when she needed support, especially from Philip and Debbie, they were selfish and treated her poorly, I don’t blame Fiona for leaving because her life and that house was insane.
you just tryin to stick fiona. she is and always has been the worst. selfish, blaming everyone else when she fucks up. and can never admit she is wrong, which she is often
Fiona had multiple times to have an amazing career which would’ve made her taking care of the kids 100x easier , but it’s this Fiona that is the one who always fucks it up herself .
Fiona was selfish. You guys are talking like she is so selfless when she had done so many messed up things and never took accountability, and whenever her actions caused major problems she played the victim. Plus once she found a tiny bit of success she completely stopped caring about her family
as someone with many addicts in my family of all sorts, including parents. I felt his pain when he said “100 days he was sober” because he knows exactly what that means and feels like and she at the moment did not, that fucking urked me.
I think everyone’s forgetting it’s not just the fact that Fiona gave Jason the booze but it was her nonchalant attitude about it. She didn’t give a fuck, so in Lip’s mind, why should he give a fuck about Fiona if she doesn’t give a fuck about anything anymore? It doesn’t justify everything but just because Fiona had a rough childhood (like all of them did) doesn’t give her the right to do whatever she wants. Both of them have valid sides.
I'm gonna politely disagree. I've not watched this show since season 8 I think, but from this clip and the comments, I got a solid grasp. Ultimately, no it was not Fiona's fault at all. Surprisingly, she shared something with someone, who ASKED, which is simply a kind gesture, on a surface level. How is she supposed to know that he's got 100 days clean, or that lip was his sponsor? Unless either of them told her, it falls back on the dude himself. He looks over 18, he's an adult, it is his responsibility to make the right decisions for himself.
Nah i’m ngl, Lip LOST me when he tried to use that point to get angry at her. Lip never mentioned him to Fiona, she literally didn’t know who he was, what his problems were, or anything of the sort, & Lip lashed out on her for HIS actions. He was way more justified when arguing for Xan, but for Jason? fully blaming that on Fiona was insane
@@Khaleesi_Jack if she wasnt drunk 247 with a bottle of vodka in her hand just like her father then it wouldnt have happened it truly is her fault even if she didnt mean to
Fiona when Lip was at his lowest- "Let me get you a job at the restaurant where I work. Encourage you to go back to school while also providing a roof over your head, and be patient with you and your recovery from alcoholism." Lip when Fiona is at her lowest - "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, YOU WASTE OF AIR!!"
@@flyingrat492 Lip hurt a bunch of people on his journey to recovery! Great example, when he tried to make Charlie relapse! Or when he attack a security guard on his college campus, the guy is not perfect
@@Brandonweifui don’t think it’s that it’s there is no grace for Fiona. Being 12 years old caring for two kids is crazy. Not being taught letting the streets teach you is wild. They all got to mess up. She was not allowed that chance. Yes Liam almost died and eventually she did take accountability but her siblings did terrible shit as well.
I wish the scene where Lip met Jason on the street and held him as he cried was included in this video. EXTREMELY powerful scene, especially if you're familiar with the horrors of addiction and relapse...it honestly broke my heart...
@@melissaschaecher251 I NEVER defend that Fi Fi was deadass wrong & it was on her! She went to jail & suffered the consequences! But given how she gave up her whole childhood & adolescence to raise her siblings I think she deserved some grace! Especially from Lip since he understands what she’s been through & is the most intelligent Gallagher!
Offering someone a drink without asking if they’re in AA is literally so normal like what. She didn’t even offer he asked for it. She had no way of knowing he was in AA the fuck
1) She was drunk in the middle of the day. That's not normal. 2) had she not been drunk, she'd've realized he was a recovering addict of some kind. 3) She says she's not sad, she's sorry she caused a relapse by being drunk in the middle of the day. That's not a heart-felt apology.
Is not about who's in the right, even if it wasn't her fault he's allowed to be upset, since that guy was 100 days sober and then went did H, that's how a lot of people's story end. Plus it was an accumulation of things that exploded at that moment.
@@rauluishe may be allowed to he upset but he ain't allowed to blame everyone else for his failings....he knew she had a drink8ng problem and he knew they may come into contact he was the sponsor after all so he should of told her to stay away from him or aleast tell her he's in sobriety.... its defo more on him than her
@@christopherhammond7258thats what bothers me “nothing is your fault anymore fiona?” Like ,Lip this was on you and the guy who decided to drink himself
@@tremoore5465because her mistakes had devastating consequences. just because you had it rough doesn’t mean it’s okay for you to make things rough for others.
"The old Fiona wouldve handled this" translates to "I expect you to ALWAYS cover for me, why didnt you?". Fiona being drunk in the middle of the day is a problem on its own, but knowing she drinks and still expecting to have her cover for him on demand is stupid. And magically expecting her to know about his sponsee is both stupid AND irresponsible. Sobriety is a 2 way street, as i know myself, and expecting people you meet to know what you're trying to avoid is stupid. You AVOID those situations, as is YOUR responsibility. That entire family grew dependant on Fiona to solve all of their problems (Debbie wanting her to lie to the welfare office on her behalf, Lip wanting her to keep up appearances for CPS while knowing she is an alcoholic/substance abuser); it makes sense that eventually Fiona would get sick of it and leave.
Their chemistry as siblings was fkn amazing. Emmy Rossum is so underrated. I cried a million times watching this show - and would laugh like 5 minutes later. Like real life. Soooo good.
I forgot how messy Fiona was during her last season. Along with how that nasty breakup with Ford would lead to her hitting rock bottom....again. Hurricane Fiona doesn't fall far from the tree after all. Then again, that "quick" reality check from her lawyer of her avoiding jail time near the end of season 9 seems to fit well with her finally moving on from being an official Mom to her siblings. Could've taken Liam because of legal reasons, but I digress.
Lip WAS an alcoholic. Now he’s a recovering alcoholic at this point in the show. Fiona hasn’t even hit her rock bottom yet. Whereas Lip has already been there, done that. Lip had to let Fiona hit rock bottom on her own in order to get her to realize how powerless she really is; and he only wanted what was best for her and chose the tough love route to help her get there. Sometimes that’s the only way to help someone you love. It may not make sense for Fiona (or anyone who can relate to Fiona) or anyone from the outside at that point in time but it will eventually. Fiona, Lip, or anybody doesn’t have control over anyone or anything. IMO, Fiona needed this!!! But it is heartbreaking that Lip’s sponsee had to pay the price, though. However, as someone who is in recovery, I think that relapses are all part of the process. Otherwise how can you evolve towards recovery if you’re not making mistakes to learn from them? NO PAIN, NO GAIN!!
@@matelko333 It’s called tough love. And it worked. I definitely do not justify Fiona continuing down the rabbit hole where it affects the rest of the family. Specifically the younger ones who likely needed their bigger sister sober and back to herself. Not another Frank.
@@matelko333I didn’t compare Fiona to Frank. Im pretty sure that words are being put in my mouth right now. In context I said she’s better than Frank, and Lip knows that his sister needs help before she completely loses everything!!! Most importantly herself. Fiona immediately ran to V for support. V paid Lip a visit and asked why the animosity towards Fiona. Lip even asks V not to let Fiona stay at her house “if she was really Fiona’s friend and if she truly loves her…” then she’s not going to let Fiona stay at her and Kevs place. Shameless is one of my favourite shows (both US 🇺🇸 and UK 🇬🇧 versions) Why? Because I can relate to the storyline, characters, and events that occur within the series. A lot. 🤦🏻♀️ Im not the only one. This happens everyday, everywhere, and anywhere. Lots of families experience this unfortunate situation. Alcoholism, Addiction, Mental Health, etc.
@@mzzanthropy___project the point is Fiona did everything for Lip and always supported him. Lip has always been ungrateful and turned around on his family. he could have made his and ALL of theirs life better but he simply REFUSED
As a child of a parent who was an alcoholic i can understand the rage in lips eyes, but at the same time. A bottle has looked mighty good to me some days.
Loved these two in the show and the characters. They really had a different level of respect and understanding of each other being the oldest. I also here Lip is most hurt by the fact it was her and that the one that helped him the most is turning into the same type of person their dad was. It's a really good show and really is true to the situations
As a person from the Midwest it’s so hard not to notice their New York accents in this Chicago based show😂Especially when they’re arguing it’s extra heavy lmao
@@Lolveud lmfao please, now we don’t wanna hold adults accountable for their fuck ups like that’s not what she was doing from day 1 with frank, now the shoe is on the other foot
@@JoshuaRamsey-y8myeah she for sure fucked up and she said she was sorry but again she had no idea. What was she meant to do? Yeah she could have been more remorseful but I honestly get why she's so jaded. Lip kicked her out after she'd done everything for them. She qas having a hard time and she needed to get her life back on track yes but the way Lip was going about it all was not it.
Lip couldve said something, LITERALLY ANYTHING to fiona or any of them. But no, he didn't, so now he had to pay for it. Both situations werent exactly fionas fault, she didnt have to walk around with alcohol on just a regular day and drag someone with her or she couldve made some effort to make lip look good when she realized it was DPS, but ultimately the blame falls on lip.
i see Fiona's side alot she did everything for them, she raised Lip, Ian, Debbie, carl and Liam its crazy to kick her out of the house when she is the reason Lip is still alive.
Tbh with you Fiona didn’t owe anyone anything anymore. And that’s the truth. If Fiona wanted to be drunk she can be. Everyone is grown except for Liam and nobody was looking out for Liam, he was taking care of himself. Everyone was blaming their shit on Fiona because she wasn’t helping them anymore but she doesn’t need to. It’s not her responsibility anymore.
From what I gather it’s less about her “not helping” and more about being a “nuisance”. But hey, no one is necessarily in the right. There’s no “correct” way do deal with something like this. Even if there was a better way to handle it, there’s still consequences. Say Fiona straightens out right there, then what? Lip probably goes back to his old self. Neither of them would learn anything from this experience if they got it right the first time.
While I agree Fiona did everything for them for so long she didn't owe them but she still owed them to not become like their parents and drag them down like Frank and Monica always had, if she was going to spin out she should have left.
@@Nemesis1productions she dealt with lip dropping out of school, getting kicked out of college. She dealt with Ian’s bipolar diagnosis and him being in prison, Carl’s delinquent teenage criminal drug dealer phase and Debby getting pregnant as a teen and still helped them. So she definitely deserved a break and was allowed to make some mistakes. She broke down after all of the things she went through. She didn’t deserve to be treated like that
@@matelko333 yeah he was always the first one to blame her because he was so thirsty to be the leader of the family, but once fiona left he completely threw all of them under the bus, even wanted to sell the house just because he was too broke to figure his way out
Now honestly I really feel lip just wanted any reason to get mad at Fiona or to talk down on her because the whole part of that dude getting drunk while he was in recovery was not at all Fiona‘s fault whether or not if she had the alcohol, it was his choice to give in to temptation he was obviously too weak to have that shit around him, and honestly if it wasn’t Fiona then It would’ve been another circumstance causing him to relapsing. Another thing lip can’t kick anyone out of the house that’s underneath their name
What an absolutely silly take. Fiona at this time was on a path straight to being Frank. Fiona was taking zero accountability for her actions and despite maybe being a little hypocritical, Lip was absolutely right in everything he said
@@amorantoboy Absolutely not true on lips part lip neither takes accountability himself he always blames everybody else for his shit, but there was a another episode when Fiona got drunk with vee, Vee took accountability for bringing the vodka lip had respond it with “you didn’t shove the alcohol down her throat” The same goes for that guy he was sponsoring she had no idea he was in recovery And she didn’t shove alcohol down his throat either, well like I said he was obviously too weak to be around alcohol so if it wasn’t Fiona that had that shit around him causing him a relapse it would’ve been somebody else that made him give into temptation. The point is lip was a grown ass man that should’ve handled his own shit especially when I came to him trying to adopt that little girl not depending on Fiona when she was going through her hot ass mess era Plus he had no right trying to kick her out that house was underneath her name, it’s not really silly if you watch literally the whole series you see that Lip just had some weird ass competition towards Fiona even before her going through issues with alcohol When she was doing her best doing what she could for her siblings lip and Debbie were the biggest ingrates, lip constantly belittled her and reminding her of her failures
Well she definitely did nothing to help him… idk how you can saying putting a desired substance in front of someone with addictïon, especially in recovery when you want it the most is his fault… Someone relapsing doesn’t make them “weak,” the body and mind physically push you there. You definitely should not be enabling this.
What really pissed me off is how when Lip was going through alcoholism, Fiona was always trying to help and bail him out of the fights he got into. But then when she fell into it, all he did was chastise and bully her and kick her out… double standards.
Looking at the comments with people debating which character is more wrong than the other is kind of he beauty of this show. Discussion about those grey areas. Some more dark then others. Fiona is the kind of character who needs to reach bottom to feel the consequences of her actions. Lip knows that. He knows she won't change by herself and he won't wait for her to take responsibility. I don't think any of them is right or wrong. They are doing their best with the tools they were giving. But I think Lip had to do something here and he did. Their way of showing love to each other often was to put them in front of the mirror.
Honestly the way they treated Fiona after she raised them single-handedly while raising herself is soooo messed up. Never sat right with me. They didn’t give her much grace
@elizahamilton5599 the thing is all of them had moments where they were mimicking their parents the difference is so long as Fiona was sober she would do everything to get them back on the right track instead of doing this
hold on she didnt wave vodka in his face anyways jason had a choice to stay clean and lip just doesnt want to admit he was he cant fix everyone and has no right to kick fiona out
@ConnorDamewood Sorry but many recovering addicts blame everyone else, just like they did when they were using. It isn't the rest of our fault you have an issue.
Fiona also threw Lip out of the house in earlier seasons for way less and when Lip threw her out, Fiona was damaging not only everyone's lives but also her own. She did a lot for all of them but that's not an excuse to drag them all down again.
I mean, Lip said it here, didn’t he? “The old Fiona would have handled this”. That’s what he expected from her, a cover, a sounding board, and in many ways, a parent. When she even slipped a tiny bit, that was it for her in his eyes. Ungrateful doesn’t even begin to describe it.
"The old Fiona wouldve handled this" translates to "I expect you to ALWAYS cover for me, why didnt you?". Fiona being drunk in the middle of the day is a problem on its own, but knowing she drinks and still expecting to have her cover for him on demand is stupid. And magically expecting her to know about his sponsee is both stupid AND irresponsible. Sobriety is a 2 way street, as i know myself, and expecting people you meet to know what you're trying to avoid is stupid. You AVOID those situations, as is YOUR responsibility. That entire family grew dependant on Fiona to solve all of their problems (Debbie wanting her to lie to the welfare office on her behalf, Lip wanting her to keep up appearances for CPS while knowing she is an alcoholic/substance abuser); it makes sense that eventually Fiona would get sick of it and leave.
@@onomstarrLip called her out for fucking up like "old Fiona" would. Just because she had it bad and had to be responsible for siblings doesn't make her immune to having her mistakes called out it's her own standard she's being held to.
This show is something that has really grown with me. I started watching it in my late teens and I liked, but I think I was too young to fully understand the complex themes it addresses.....maybe I'm due for a rewatch
I hate Lip. Don’t get me wrong, Fiona sure as shit wasn’t perfect and had messed up a few times (like with Liam), but she for the most part always took accountability and was remorseful for her actions. Lip however always blamed her and everyone else for his problems and almost never fully took accountability. Fiona didn’t know he was in recovery, Fiona had no idea because Lip never communicated with her at all. And once Fiona started becoming an addict he was VERY quick to judge her and shame her and basically treat her like shit when all she needed was help.
They inversed in their arcs. The reason Lip is so mad at Fiona is because it’s not just a drinking problem. She’s actively fucking him over with her shit. Seeing your “mother figure” basically go down the same route she warned you not to go down on and pretend like it’s not her fault. You’d likely feel hurt and can’t stand to see someone fall so hard.
I agree. Fiona went through hell to raise Lip, and in the end, all the stress and trauma caught up with her and she went though a dark period, a depressed state, brought in by all the things she had no time to deal with emotionally (which was honestly expected), and Lip just expected her to act perfect all the time. Like, the second she made a bad mistake and fell from grace, it was over and she was no longer useful to Lip. Like he wanted the useful saint or nothing, so he wanted her gone. Unlike Frank, Fiona loved Lip. You don't give up on people because they fall.
@@mrj1897see he made it about his own pain and trauma....she is her own person not his mommy anymore...instead of seeing her as a person with her own struggles and trauma
@@natasha5553 She almost killed someone. She also knocked a recovering addict off the wagon because she was wallowing in her own self-pity. You can't just say I'm sorry and fix these things. It's not a bandaid that magically makes it go away. Lip was the only one trying to hold her accountable the same way she did to him and everyone else until she spiraled and started turning into Frank.
It's crazy you're praising early seasons Fiona for her sense of accountability, then dislike Lip for wanting her to be accountable to her mistakes. Her hypocrisy was damaging everyone around her. Given, her situation is not her fault and she was dealt some really rough cards, but for years she preached one thing, and here she is doing the opposite. She's becoming Frank.
Let this be a lesson to everyone! It doesnt matter how much someone has bent over backwards for you. If they are a drain on you in this moment, cut them off without a moment’s hesitation
@@myheadhurtbro6692 my bad, I thought it was obvious by my verbiage that I was being sarcastic. She literally raised them against all adversity for years and years and years. Her stint with alcoholism was what, a couple of months or something small like that? No they’re not obligated to help them in turn, nor is anyone, buuuuut I feel like on principle they should want to, in a circumstance like this
Yeah, when someone refuses to help themself you do not have to stick around. You cannot control people and you either let them drag you down or you take them out of your life.
I feel this should not be applied to all situations. If someone has truly bent over backwards for you in the past, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
It wasn’t Fiona’s fault the guy was tempted plus Lip never mentioned anything and on top of that Fiona never thought that guy did heroin. Him calling his dealer, buying, paying and shooting up heroin has 0% to do with Fiona.
Ok, 1 it is 1000% not Fiona’s fault that the guy relapsed. In this situation it is the person in recovery’s responsibility to not give into their vices, she had no way of knowing that he was in recovery. Now if he said something or if lip mentioned it then that would swing around to it being her fault a little. 2. Fiona is absolutely not responsible for letting DPS or whatever into the house, yes she could have spun the situation to make lip look like a better guy, she’s done it before but again its his responsibility to bring it to the attention of the others a simple “hey, DFS is heading here to check if im a good foster parent make me look good” and she would have lied her ass of for him. 3rd and finnaly, i fucking hate lip in this scene and this part of the series, he is constantly refuseing to communicate to his siblings and makeing his problems theirs Ugg, like i would get it if Fiona was high on cocain like she was with Liam but no she was slightly drunk, what would he have done if frank was there, would he have given him the same speech fucking Hippocrite
ong bro i seen so many lip defenders here and it’s like? she’s not responsible for anyone’s sobriety, everyone put up w lip’s shit when he was fucking his life up but she doesn’t get the same grace?
Everyone is looking at this based on what these siblings have done, Lip by all means was never perfect it was but it was because of how hard Fiona was on him that he was able to stop his own self destruction, as a younger sibling, it would break my heart to see my sister self destruct like that, Lip wasn't lashing out at her because he was angry, he did it because he was disappointed wit what his sister was doing, she can't expect him to hold himself accountable for his fuck ups if she's not holding herself accountable for hers, at the end of the day he didn't want her becoming anything remotely close to their parents
@@Naidyonov7 just cause your someone's family doesn't mean you have to condone their choices and actions, would u be OK allowing your sis to continue living with you if it means that what happened could repeat itself, sometimes tough love is the best love to give it's sucks, but alot of times it works out, I'm living proof of that, but at the same time, I understand why you feel that way
@@PrinceDevitt_V2 i mean sometimes yes, but Fiona cared for them. And Lip pays her back by showing though love by kicking her out. I mean restricting her or punishing her some other way is understandable. But kicking your sister out on her lowest, with 50/50 chance She might end up as a homeless drunk is just being careless.
@@Naidyonov7 like I said I understand but take it from someone who was literally in this same situation when he was 14, I watch my older bro kick out my older sis, and if she were still on the streets today guess what, she'd tell you herself it would be her fault for ending up and remaining in that position, stop making excuses for Fiona she's a grown ass woman who knows right from wrong, like I said Lip was never perfect but then again alot of his decisions never truly led to no one's life being jeopardy, or did you all of a sudden forget what happened to Liam when Fiona had to keep an eye on him, sounds like your the type to let a whole lot of things and people slide no matter how server or fucked up it may be
People like to defend fiona like what she did for her siblings is a get out of jail free card for every bs she did wrong for the rest of her entire existence. Well it isn't,what she did any other older sibling worth a pinch of salt would have done and does every day. And the biggest bs is that she actually showed that card any time it was convenient for her when she did some stupid thing or ruined someone else's life. What people don't realize when they defend her is that every time they do they mention frank and monica being horrible parents while completely disregarding that fiona literally turned into them and acted the exact same way they did. Every thing she did that was messed up was never her fault,all she cared about was herself,being drunk and high and doing anything she could do get that,she brough nothing but Misery and difficulty into the family and others around them. She Turned into frank and always used Frank being a douche to justify her being the same. Both her and debbie were the most detestable people in this entire series and the worse part is that people like this actually exist.
Fiona did more than frank the kids were horrible to her every time they was in trouble she was there but when she was in trouble nobody was there everything u said was invalid frank literally left his son in a trap House
@@hectorperez5474you are literally doing what the comment says is bullshit to do. Saying that what she's doing is justified or more okay just because frank and Monica were horrible. The fact is that she was hurting people with her issues and was TURNING into those horrible people that were her parents
For everyone taking up for Fiona by saying that when Lip was at his lowest Fiona hepled him by encouraging him to go back to school and helped get him a job while she was at her lowest he kicked her out, let me explain something to you. Fiona was a legal guardian to all of her siblings and then later still had to be a legal guardian to the rest of her 3 siblings (Ian and Lip are 18+ now at this point) as guardian you can't be doing the crap that Fiona was doing and Lip was stepping up to take care of the stuff that Fiona wasn't taking care while still struggling with his sobriety his damn self now he has to make sure that Fiona doesn't go down the same path, he was 100% right in this situation. He saw that Fiona wasn't willing or ready to change so he did what he had to do for the sake of his 3 younger siblings and kicked her out.
Not really on lips side here. I haven’t seen the entire context of this scenario, but from what I have seen if the show and this clip, it really wasn’t her fault. What’re we supposed to go through life looking out for every single possible mistake someone could be making at any given moment and hold ourselves accountable for their actions? Girl was trying her best and this dude wants to act like he’s been holding it down single-handedly.
I agree with you partly. Fiona's character by this point was reduced down to someone who stopped taking accountability because she felt that she deserved to think about herself for once. But the writers put her in a constant cycle of doing this. Lip here is doing what Season 1 Fiona was doing with Frank. Kicking out someone who just doesn't care about who they hurt. I agree with you partly that this isn't her fault really, but this isn't the first time she let something like this happen. So I don't think he's doing anything Fiona in the past wouldn't have done.
can i ask why did lip care so much about that dudes sobriety? like were they best friends? was him being sober gonna get lip a raise or sum shit? idk but i feel like lip just wanted to lash out at someone who in his eyes is worse than him so he can feel better about the mistakes hes made so far yk like not finishing college or having a baby when he knows damn well he can’t support it
God damn is it illegal to care for people? You seem like a pretty sick person that you can only fathom supporting someone if it has a financial benifit
Bro tried blaming her because an alcoholic who wasn’t even in the slightest peer pressured to drink asked for a drink. She ain’t in the wrong tbh it’s not her job to not drink around people she doesn’t know lips just a big ass hypocrite the entire show hate him just as much as debi 😂
At the end of the day, this is how poorly he is treating the woman that practically raised him…yeah she’s fucking up, yeah she’s on a bender, yeah she doesn’t care anymore…this isn’t how you handle somebody who has given everything for others and YOU (specifically you to know better and right from wrong) and is now filling it with the only thing she knows how’s. Fiona deserved so much more compassion than shit from others.
You cannot save an alcoholic they have to help themselves. My stepfather was drunk and never did anything good except die. My mother was addicted to prescription drugs over med and self med. Myself My brother and sister made it out damaged. My brother was addicted to drugs and alcohol he died in 2017. My sister had to move to another state she is happy healthy and living her best life. I have a great family unfortunately I could not have around an addict can't be trusted
I haven’t seen even one episode from this show. But the video is making me want to watch the whole series. I thought it was just a straight up comedy or something. Didn’t know it got this deep. Plus, my guy, Jeremy is here. Forgot about that
Lip is overreacting. Like obviously she should've been more responsible but he's there acting like she shoved the booze down Jason's throat. It's good that he ended up failing in life loll
Fiona took care of them yes and she saved there asses more times than anyone can count but as soon as they turned 18 they should not have expected it and they were never grateful. Lips biggest argument was he didn’t wanna be the golden goose of the family but Fiona never wanted that she only wanted him to live to his fullest potential and he threw it all away. Yes Fiona needed tough love but for a guy who’s supposed to be super smart he never handled situations like this very wisely. Fiona had every right to defend herself yes she had a drinking problem but a lot of the things he just blamed her for wasn’t her fault in the slightest
I’ve seen this scene a hundred times and I’ve also seen people that have recovered, shows about recovery, etc. But, personally Fiona wasn’t in the wrong, she’s been through so much and she continues to be the person they all need, they have their own problems and when it all comes crashing down they blow up. The Sponsee should have kept to his recovery, she’s an emotional person that’s a traumatic alcoholic and she was lamenting. Her eyes were covered when he stared at the alcohol so there’s no way she would have known. He took responsibility and adopted that girl because he wanted to be a father. It’s the parent responsibility to make sure their child is in a good home. Her burnout is very visible and goes unnoticed by EVERYONE until she recovers herself. I’m not saying that Fiona didn’t make dumb decisions, but go into the mental of what they are. Traumatized children struggling with the idea of family, even Fiona. Who’s had her dad, that she took the place of continually fuck up and traumatize everyone even more. Fiona did her best and just like us, she broke.
I always hated how lip treated Fiona in both her rough times during season 4 and this season, yes Fiona makes mistakes like any other human would but she always raised all of those kids and did everything she could for them even when some were adults she got them jobs and tried to support them but yet when Fiona goes through it in season 4 and season 9 lip is the main one who lashes out at her and never actually helps when he should be grateful he’s alive because of her
Hot take, but this scene, and many others, is why I REALLY struggled to like Lip's character in this. The dude is the biggest fucking hypocrite in the show, and FIONA DID NOT KNOW. She had NO WAY of knowing that a grown ass adult was Lip's 100 day sober sponsee, so this being the thing that made him kick her out is stupid as hell
Having bâd things happen to you is not an excuse to do bâd things to others. You keep that vïctim mindset and you’ll become the biggest mønster there is.
Fiona’s alcoholism was amazingly acted. It was so brutal, real and understandable considering everything she went through.
What we all went through.
fiona had the easiest life i ever seen portrayed on tv
@@nunyabusiness-wo9ps 🤨🤦
Oh so Fiona is a saint when shes an alcoholic but Frank’s the piece of shit??
What fuckin a new guy every other episode
Emmy Rossum and Jeremy Allen White are amazing actors. They did such a great job portraying their characters to the core.
Jeremy Allen White is so mid.
@@billieeyelash7015 womp womp
@@billieeyelash7015and so is your opinion 😂
Wait you actually think what we just watched in this vid was average acting? @@billieeyelash7015
Props to the makeup team, they really made Emmy Rossum look messed up
Honestly, when she started chuckling at him after he told her to get out, I half expected him to physically throw her out to show how serious he was.
Guys who deal with this bs don't have the stones usually. She would have been out long ago if he had options. Women know this that's why they chuckle when lap dog finally shows teeth. They have seen so many false alpha chest pumps they see through it. But then when it turns out to be real they realize they fucked up and judged a guy wrong as weak when he was always just giving the benefit of the doubt until he finally had enough. I dont watch this show and have no context on what type of guy he is beyond this moment but it's an interesting pattern that can be observed out in the world. Women don't chuckle at you when putting your foot down unless they have very little respect for you and don't believe you are the guy who means it.
@@guitarman0365that just means the guy didn't set boundaries or the women didn't respect you in the first place. Just based on this interaction I saw it as a kid shrinking from responsibility.
@@takumi2023I think that’s what he said but just described the theory behind it
Wow the replies lol. The guy and girl in the video are siblings.
@@Aartismelol ik
Im sat here laughing away
I’m glad Lip decided to open a restaurant instead of yelling at his sister
😂
when does he do that
@@stevn744it’s a different show called the bear
@@stevn744season 12
@@stevn744 it's a joke. The Lip actor is the main in the show "The Bear". Also yells a lot
"You didn't care enough to know" is sooo true for so many people not taking responsibility, best show ever
I'm amazed at some of you ppl. You must be a woman. Cuz only women expect ppl to read their minds.
Asmr nails Javier
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Nah, thats just a copout for wanting to blame random shit on people. In this particular scene Fiona wasn't responsible for the actions of Jason. Jason is sole person responsible for his actions, end of story.
@@wuttut3276facts, he’s a grown ass man lmao
0:23 The grunting “hey” Lip makes to silence Fiona is almost similar to a father trying to keep a fight away from his kids
My trauma just hit
Damn. That really makes me rethink this scene.
I see both sides of this, truthfully. On one hand, it's easy to get mad at Lip and think that he was just lashing out at Fiona, and he was. Because probably, in his mind, he was just watching her turn into their father. Every single person in this family is deeply traumatized and damaged and they all struggle with being decent people because nobody taught them how to be. They just had to navigate and figure this shit out on their own since their own parents couldn't bring themselves to care about anyone more than themselves. Empathy, compassion, and so on are lessons taught to us by the adults in our lives, even if we can't fully remember those lessons. No, none of it was Fiona's fault, but she's stuck in a "I lost my childhood and had a bad life, and therefor I have a pass to be a shitshow now" loop. A lot of them were. A lot of people are.
Lip was an alcoholic too
trauma is made up by liberals and all these mfs were living the dream and are spoiled brats thru and thru.
Lip was absolutly in the wrong here.
it’s not an excuse-you’re still responsible for your decisions in the present regardless of your past.
@@syberroaster2861 no it isn't, he changed himself not only for him but for his family and his kid, Fiona is a grown ass woman still blaming people for her mistakes
Because I watched this show I got into sobriety. I held my first AA chip and flipped it in the air at the exact moment so did Lip. It looked like a sign I was on the right path.
I am now over 3 years sober and I sponsor other men. I have even worked at a sober living house. This show helped change my life.
Damn this show saving lives 💯👏
Keep going brother, I hope things only get better for you! Much love ♥️
No damn clue who you are and we will almost certainly never meet but I’m proud of you brother, you’ve done well and you’re on the good path.
Congratulations! Absolutely killing it, great job and proud of you!
Imagine having no control of yourself and celebrating that. Imagine publicly announcing “I can’t control myself” and expecting people to pat you on the back. Bro grow the fuck up.
Emmy Rossum’s performance throughout her final season of Shameless USA has been phenomenal especially the storyline regarding Fiona’s alcoholism.
Emmy needs an Emmy.
This show went from the funniest most hilarious show about a messed up family to the darkest realest ish about a messed up family
everyone's acting in Shameless was sooo gooo..literally unparallel
It was always so hard to see Fiona go through a difficult and dark period.
She caused it and did it to herself
@@jaynehogue2459yea like literally everyone else in the show
I understand she has trauma but she needed to grow tf up and stop blaming her bullshit in everyone else
It was karma, she was a shit person, she may have had some good moments and went through a lot. But over and over again she did messed up things and acted like she was better than everyone else, while actively being a bad person.
@@dembolicalk229 dam ya'll acting like she should be a saint, a Jesus to Sacrifice and die for siblings. She did pretty good, considering the how well she raised her siblings and how they ended up.
I have alcoholic family members so I felt this. The smugness is very real. Unfortunately, alcoholics are far more vïolent in reality.
agreed its the smugness... that smile mid argument.. its great acting. someone in the crew or one of the writers had to have lived the life first hand.
@@tommyshadow66or used their head fr
Not all alcoholics are violent homie
@@ericbattista9341lmaooo exactly this person has no clue what they’re talking about and that one person who they know means EVERYONE
Most alcoholics aren’t violent.
Lip was the character who hold everyone responsible ans assert boundaries about alcoholism but when he was drinking then he finds excuses.
Once you dig your way out of that pit seeing other people fall into it can make you angry.
@@wadewilson4353 He's also a giant hypocrite. A lot of people get sober and look down at everyone else and act as though they weren't complete wastes of life when they were using and that's exactly what Lip does here. His lack of compassion for his broken sister, who realistically the main reason the family is still around is insanity.
@@Mike-qb9khexactly! Lip also NEVER takes responsibility for anything he does or has done. He always makes sure the blame is directed outward. His alcoholism was everybody else’s fault, he’s a Gallagher, it’s in his blood etc. But he does not give Fiona the same grace even though they grew up the same way. When he was in college and throwing away his life Fiona was stern but showed compassion. He never showed the same. He was smug throughout all her hardships. The show may have showed him get sober but Lip never really grew as a person. He remained explosive, smug and arrogant.
@@eraserheadchickenThat's men for you.
I’ll say this her alcoholism got someone else who was trying to overcome the addiction to slip back into it
Sorry but she has a point. No one has ever asked if anyone is in AA. It’s not her responsibility ultimately either to check who can and can’t drink due to addiction. If you’re a struggling addict it’s up to you to save yourself. You can’t expect someone to come when you need it most you have to be able to find a way to ask for the help yourself if you need it. He had every opportunity to call Lip before he asked for that drink and every opportunity to walk away from her drinking. Lip has a right to be mad but he shouldn’t be mad at her.
I think Fiona definitely should take accountability for her consumption and how that might affect others even without her knowing. Although unknowingly, her excessive drinking to the point of carrying around a personal bottle of hard liquor like that incites potential relapse. it’s like a disease. Misery loves company.
Nice victim blaming, real good look
Unless the guy told Fiona that he was a user or in recovery, she wouldn't know and wouldn't think to ask. Only reason I figured it out was because the camera showed him staring at the vodka like it had life saving medicine in it.
That's the point... Fiona knows exactly what alcoholism looks like. She also probably knows what someone trying to be sober but is still struggling looks like.
Before Fiona started slipping and became an alcoholic, she would have noticed that he was not okay.
But she was drunk and only cared about having someone to drink with, and so she ignored all the signs that he was a recovering addict.
That is why lip was saying that she didn't care enough to notice
@@TheProductofFallout She was drunk and wasn't paying attention to his face. Also he asked for a drink, it would've been rude to say no when she had no idea he was in recovery.
@@Julius-tp9mgI honestly thought at first him saying "You mind?" As a would you mind taking that away but he also left it open enough for her to think he just wants some drink
Did you miss the part where Lip said "you didn't care enough to know." Old Fiona wouldve cared enough to know. She turned into Frank. Lip turned into Fiona.
@@IDiggPattyMayonnaise Do you go around asking people if they are recovering drug addicts or alcoholics? If I drunk alcohol and someone asked for some, i wouldn't cross my mind to ask them if they are in recovery.
She sacrificed everything for them, taking care of them even when Fiona needed help with her alcoholism. Despite always being there for others when they were at their lowest, when she needed support, especially from Philip and Debbie, they were selfish and treated her poorly, I don’t blame Fiona for leaving because her life and that house was insane.
you just tryin to stick fiona. she is and always has been the worst. selfish, blaming everyone else when she fucks up. and can never admit she is wrong, which she is often
Fiona had multiple times to have an amazing career which would’ve made her taking care of the kids 100x easier , but it’s this Fiona that is the one who always fucks it up herself .
Fiona was selfish. You guys are talking like she is so selfless when she had done so many messed up things and never took accountability, and whenever her actions caused major problems she played the victim. Plus once she found a tiny bit of success she completely stopped caring about her family
@@WhippedforMinho🧢🧢🧢🧢👌🏾
@@shayla106 my comment states the truth
as someone with many addicts in my family of all sorts, including parents. I felt his pain when he said “100 days he was sober” because he knows exactly what that means and feels like and she at the moment did not, that fucking urked me.
I think everyone’s forgetting it’s not just the fact that Fiona gave Jason the booze but it was her nonchalant attitude about it. She didn’t give a fuck, so in Lip’s mind, why should he give a fuck about Fiona if she doesn’t give a fuck about anything anymore? It doesn’t justify everything but just because Fiona had a rough childhood (like all of them did) doesn’t give her the right to do whatever she wants. Both of them have valid sides.
Did you see previous episodes she faced far worst stuff they all did . She was calm because she don't care just worst stuff happened before.
I'm gonna politely disagree.
I've not watched this show since season 8 I think, but from this clip and the comments, I got a solid grasp. Ultimately, no it was not Fiona's fault at all. Surprisingly, she shared something with someone, who ASKED, which is simply a kind gesture, on a surface level. How is she supposed to know that he's got 100 days clean, or that lip was his sponsor? Unless either of them told her, it falls back on the dude himself. He looks over 18, he's an adult, it is his responsibility to make the right decisions for himself.
Nah i’m ngl, Lip LOST me when he tried to use that point to get angry at her. Lip never mentioned him to Fiona, she literally didn’t know who he was, what his problems were, or anything of the sort, & Lip lashed out on her for HIS actions. He was way more justified when arguing for Xan, but for Jason? fully blaming that on Fiona was insane
@@mezasepkmn Fiona knew he worked with alcoholics, just like she works with addicts.
@@Khaleesi_Jack if she wasnt drunk 247 with a bottle of vodka in her hand just like her father then it wouldnt have happened it truly is her fault even if she didnt mean to
Fiona when Lip was at his lowest- "Let me get you a job at the restaurant where I work. Encourage you to go back to school while also providing a roof over your head, and be patient with you and your recovery from alcoholism."
Lip when Fiona is at her lowest - "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, YOU WASTE OF AIR!!"
EXACTLY
Lips self destructive was self destructive, Fiona’s self destructive killed or almost killed quite a few people.
@@flyingrat492 Lip hurt a bunch of people on his journey to recovery! Great example, when he tried to make Charlie relapse! Or when he attack a security guard on his college campus, the guy is not perfect
when did anyone say he was perfect
@@Brandonweifui don’t think it’s that it’s there is no grace for Fiona. Being 12 years old caring for two kids is crazy. Not being taught letting the streets teach you is wild. They all got to mess up. She was not allowed that chance. Yes Liam almost died and eventually she did take accountability but her siblings did terrible shit as well.
She basically turned into Frank here after all the years of trying not to.
I wish the scene where Lip met Jason on the street and held him as he cried was included in this video. EXTREMELY powerful scene, especially if you're familiar with the horrors of addiction and relapse...it honestly broke my heart...
Everyone held Fiona to a higher standard than they held themselves or siblings.
Ya cuz she was the mother figure, in their eyes she was supposed to be the best cuz for a long time she was the best thing in their life’s.
@@jackashmoreand people forget Fiona called people out for fucking up it's just her turn in the hot seat
Right it’s sad she gave up her life to raise them & Lip couldn’t give her any grace
@tytybaby06 if anyone else had left that coke out, you people would want them dead.
@@melissaschaecher251 I NEVER defend that Fi Fi was deadass wrong & it was on her! She went to jail & suffered the consequences! But given how she gave up her whole childhood & adolescence to raise her siblings I think she deserved some grace! Especially from Lip since he understands what she’s been through & is the most intelligent Gallagher!
Offering someone a drink without asking if they’re in AA is literally so normal like what. She didn’t even offer he asked for it. She had no way of knowing he was in AA the fuck
1) She was drunk in the middle of the day. That's not normal.
2) had she not been drunk, she'd've realized he was a recovering addict of some kind.
3) She says she's not sad, she's sorry she caused a relapse by being drunk in the middle of the day. That's not a heart-felt apology.
I interpret it as a way for him to vent his frustrations about HER alcoholism.
Is not about who's in the right, even if it wasn't her fault he's allowed to be upset, since that guy was 100 days sober and then went did H, that's how a lot of people's story end. Plus it was an accumulation of things that exploded at that moment.
@@rauluishe may be allowed to he upset but he ain't allowed to blame everyone else for his failings....he knew she had a drink8ng problem and he knew they may come into contact he was the sponsor after all so he should of told her to stay away from him or aleast tell her he's in sobriety.... its defo more on him than her
@@christopherhammond7258thats what bothers me “nothing is your fault anymore fiona?” Like ,Lip this was on you and the guy who decided to drink himself
Fiona looked after everyone but no one looked after her 💔
Exactly then made some mistakes and they just turned their back her
@@tremoore5465because her mistakes had devastating consequences. just because you had it rough doesn’t mean it’s okay for you to make things rough for others.
Fiona is a freakin hypocrite. The biggest one in the show.
By far one of my favorit show's I have watched it so many times and I never get tired of watching it.
"The old Fiona wouldve handled this" translates to "I expect you to ALWAYS cover for me, why didnt you?". Fiona being drunk in the middle of the day is a problem on its own, but knowing she drinks and still expecting to have her cover for him on demand is stupid.
And magically expecting her to know about his sponsee is both stupid AND irresponsible. Sobriety is a 2 way street, as i know myself, and expecting people you meet to know what you're trying to avoid is stupid. You AVOID those situations, as is YOUR responsibility.
That entire family grew dependant on Fiona to solve all of their problems (Debbie wanting her to lie to the welfare office on her behalf, Lip wanting her to keep up appearances for CPS while knowing she is an alcoholic/substance abuser); it makes sense that eventually Fiona would get sick of it and leave.
It also is unsurprising that Fiona would break in self destructive methods if she feels everyone is taking and no one is giving like she is
Their chemistry as siblings was fkn amazing. Emmy Rossum is so underrated. I cried a million times watching this show - and would laugh like 5 minutes later. Like real life. Soooo good.
Lip was the best character by far in this show. This actor is so good
I forgot how messy Fiona was during her last season. Along with how that nasty breakup with Ford would lead to her hitting rock bottom....again. Hurricane Fiona doesn't fall far from the tree after all. Then again, that "quick" reality check from her lawyer of her avoiding jail time near the end of season 9 seems to fit well with her finally moving on from being an official Mom to her siblings. Could've taken Liam because of legal reasons, but I digress.
I always thought one of the lines in this scene should have been.You're turning in the frank
Carl just being there😂
Fiona: “I’m sorry I didn’t know”
Lip: “No, you didn’t care enough to know”
Those might be some of the hardest lines I’ve EVER heard.
Lip WAS an alcoholic. Now he’s a recovering alcoholic at this point in the show. Fiona hasn’t even hit her rock bottom yet. Whereas Lip has already been there, done that. Lip had to let Fiona hit rock bottom on her own in order to get her to realize how powerless she really is; and he only wanted what was best for her and chose the tough love route to help her get there. Sometimes that’s the only way to help someone you love. It may not make sense for Fiona (or anyone who can relate to Fiona) or anyone from the outside at that point in time but it will eventually.
Fiona, Lip, or anybody doesn’t have control over anyone or anything. IMO, Fiona needed this!!! But it is heartbreaking that Lip’s sponsee had to pay the price, though. However, as someone who is in recovery, I think that relapses are all part of the process. Otherwise how can you evolve towards recovery if you’re not making mistakes to learn from them? NO PAIN, NO GAIN!!
are you really justifying him kicking her out after everything she has done for him? she needs help, not to get kicked out of her own house tf
@@matelko333 It’s called tough love. And it worked. I definitely do not justify Fiona continuing down the rabbit hole where it affects the rest of the family. Specifically the younger ones who likely needed their bigger sister sober and back to herself. Not another Frank.
@@mzzanthropy___project no way you just compared Fiona to frank... no fcking way
@@matelko333I didn’t compare Fiona to Frank. Im pretty sure that words are being put in my mouth right now. In context I said she’s better than Frank, and Lip knows that his sister needs help before she completely loses everything!!! Most importantly herself. Fiona immediately ran to V for support. V paid Lip a visit and asked why the animosity towards Fiona. Lip even asks V not to let Fiona stay at her house “if she was really Fiona’s friend and if she truly loves her…” then she’s not going to let Fiona stay at her and Kevs place.
Shameless is one of my favourite shows (both US 🇺🇸 and UK 🇬🇧 versions) Why? Because I can relate to the storyline, characters, and events that occur within the series. A lot. 🤦🏻♀️ Im not the only one. This happens everyday, everywhere, and anywhere. Lots of families experience this unfortunate situation. Alcoholism, Addiction, Mental Health, etc.
@@mzzanthropy___project the point is Fiona did everything for Lip and always supported him. Lip has always been ungrateful and turned around on his family. he could have made his and ALL of theirs life better but he simply REFUSED
As a child of a parent who was an alcoholic i can understand the rage in lips eyes, but at the same time. A bottle has looked mighty good to me some days.
Loved these two in the show and the characters. They really had a different level of respect and understanding of each other being the oldest. I also here Lip is most hurt by the fact it was her and that the one that helped him the most is turning into the same type of person their dad was. It's a really good show and really is true to the situations
As a person from the Midwest it’s so hard not to notice their New York accents in this Chicago based show😂Especially when they’re arguing it’s extra heavy lmao
Most of this comment section is a Fiona rescue party
Yea because she isn't to blame. Lip never told her about DCFS or Jason. You can't blame someone for something they didn't know
@@Lolveud lmfao please, now we don’t wanna hold adults accountable for their fuck ups like that’s not what she was doing from day 1 with frank, now the shoe is on the other foot
@@LolveudShe's a terrible person, immature, and an alcoholic
@@JoshuaRamsey-y8mand how does jason have anything to do with her? she’s just supposed to know everyone who’s an alcoholic?
@@JoshuaRamsey-y8myeah she for sure fucked up and she said she was sorry but again she had no idea. What was she meant to do? Yeah she could have been more remorseful but I honestly get why she's so jaded. Lip kicked her out after she'd done everything for them. She qas having a hard time and she needed to get her life back on track yes but the way Lip was going about it all was not it.
Lip couldve said something, LITERALLY ANYTHING to fiona or any of them. But no, he didn't, so now he had to pay for it. Both situations werent exactly fionas fault, she didnt have to walk around with alcohol on just a regular day and drag someone with her or she couldve made some effort to make lip look good when she realized it was DPS, but ultimately the blame falls on lip.
The acting in the scene where he kicks her out is amazing. Everyone in it, even the others on the couch have so much emotion
i see Fiona's side alot she did everything for them, she raised Lip, Ian, Debbie, carl and Liam its crazy to kick her out of the house when she is the reason Lip is still alive.
Her raising them isn't an excuse to spiral like she was doing.
The acting in this show is amazing.
0:47 she’s tired man. She’s just so f’ing tired. That’s what that face looks like.
Alcoholism looks like exhaustion now
awwww yes. a trip down memory lane.
Tbh with you Fiona didn’t owe anyone anything anymore. And that’s the truth. If Fiona wanted to be drunk she can be. Everyone is grown except for Liam and nobody was looking out for Liam, he was taking care of himself. Everyone was blaming their shit on Fiona because she wasn’t helping them anymore but she doesn’t need to. It’s not her responsibility anymore.
From what I gather it’s less about her “not helping” and more about being a “nuisance”. But hey, no one is necessarily in the right. There’s no “correct” way do deal with something like this. Even if there was a better way to handle it, there’s still consequences. Say Fiona straightens out right there, then what? Lip probably goes back to his old self. Neither of them would learn anything from this experience if they got it right the first time.
Yeah, family doesn’t mean shit to you apparently
While I agree Fiona did everything for them for so long she didn't owe them but she still owed them to not become like their parents and drag them down like Frank and Monica always had, if she was going to spin out she should have left.
@@Nemesis1productions she dealt with lip dropping out of school, getting kicked out of college. She dealt with Ian’s bipolar diagnosis and him being in prison, Carl’s delinquent teenage criminal drug dealer phase and Debby getting pregnant as a teen and still helped them. So she definitely deserved a break and was allowed to make some mistakes. She broke down after all of the things she went through. She didn’t deserve to be treated like that
Guess you have no family, if that's how you think.
Lip was by far the best character on the show and he was played by a tremendous actor well done !!!!
He definitely was not the best. He was arrogant and mean and quite frankly he was a hypocrite
He was definitely the worst out of all of them
he was the worst. he didn't deserve Fiona as his sister who sacrificed everything for him meanwhile he treated her like sh*t
@@matelko333 yeah he was always the first one to blame her because he was so thirsty to be the leader of the family, but once fiona left he completely threw all of them under the bus, even wanted to sell the house just because he was too broke to figure his way out
@@Luka-sz3ej fr. it's crazy how people still like his character
Now honestly I really feel lip just wanted any reason to get mad at Fiona or to talk down on her because the whole part of that dude getting drunk while he was in recovery was not at all Fiona‘s fault whether or not if she had the alcohol, it was his choice to give in to temptation he was obviously too weak to have that shit around him, and honestly if it wasn’t Fiona then It would’ve been another circumstance causing him to relapsing. Another thing lip can’t kick anyone out of the house that’s underneath their name
What an absolutely silly take. Fiona at this time was on a path straight to being Frank. Fiona was taking zero accountability for her actions and despite maybe being a little hypocritical, Lip was absolutely right in everything he said
@@amorantoboy Absolutely not true on lips part lip neither takes accountability himself he always blames everybody else for his shit, but there was a another episode when Fiona got drunk with vee, Vee took accountability for bringing the vodka lip had respond it with “you didn’t shove the alcohol down her throat” The same goes for that guy he was sponsoring she had no idea he was in recovery And she didn’t shove alcohol down his throat either, well like I said he was obviously too weak to be around alcohol so if it wasn’t Fiona that had that shit around him causing him a relapse it would’ve been somebody else that made him give into temptation. The point is lip was a grown ass man that should’ve handled his own shit especially when I came to him trying to adopt that little girl not depending on Fiona when she was going through her hot ass mess era Plus he had no right trying to kick her out that house was underneath her name, it’s not really silly if you watch literally the whole series you see that Lip just had some weird ass competition towards Fiona even before her going through issues with alcohol When she was doing her best doing what she could for her siblings lip and Debbie were the biggest ingrates, lip constantly belittled her and reminding her of her failures
Definitely Fiona fault at this point she was the woman version of frank, itleast lip finally had enough
Well she definitely did nothing to help him… idk how you can saying putting a desired substance in front of someone with addictïon, especially in recovery when you want it the most is his fault… Someone relapsing doesn’t make them “weak,” the body and mind physically push you there. You definitely should not be enabling this.
@@brookelynnwu8016it's not her job to help him.
What really pissed me off is how when Lip was going through alcoholism, Fiona was always trying to help and bail him out of the fights he got into. But then when she fell into it, all he did was chastise and bully her and kick her out… double standards.
I’m surprised she actually shared her vodka!!
Looking at the comments with people debating which character is more wrong than the other is kind of he beauty of this show. Discussion about those grey areas. Some more dark then others. Fiona is the kind of character who needs to reach bottom to feel the consequences of her actions. Lip knows that. He knows she won't change by herself and he won't wait for her to take responsibility. I don't think any of them is right or wrong. They are doing their best with the tools they were giving. But I think Lip had to do something here and he did.
Their way of showing love to each other often was to put them in front of the mirror.
Beautifully put! The ethical gray areas are what grounds this show.
I fuckin hate how she chuckles after someone tells her something she’s legitimately doing wrong
Honestly the way they treated Fiona after she raised them single-handedly while raising herself is soooo messed up. Never sat right with me. They didn’t give her much grace
I kinda hate how lip treated her how they alll treated her when they got older but i can see lips pov here....
Yes Fiona lost her childhood but that’s no excuse for how she acted. Fiona turned into frank
@elizahamilton5599 the thing is all of them had moments where they were mimicking their parents the difference is so long as Fiona was sober she would do everything to get them back on the right track instead of doing this
"100 days he was sober" that shit really hits hard
hold on she didnt wave vodka in his face anyways jason had a choice to stay clean and lip just doesnt want to admit he was he cant fix everyone and has no right to kick fiona out
Holy wow am I glad you aren’t a sponsor for anyone.
@ConnorDamewood Sorry but many recovering addicts blame everyone else, just like they did when they were using. It isn't the rest of our fault you have an issue.
Lip was 100% in the wrong. You cant blame someone for someone else's choices. Jason fucked up on his own decision.
I can understand why Lip was upset, but after all that Fiona has done for him, this was fucked up of Lip.
Fiona also threw Lip out of the house in earlier seasons for way less and when Lip threw her out, Fiona was damaging not only everyone's lives but also her own. She did a lot for all of them but that's not an excuse to drag them all down again.
He legit said "do you mind"
I mean, Lip said it here, didn’t he? “The old Fiona would have handled this”. That’s what he expected from her, a cover, a sounding board, and in many ways, a parent. When she even slipped a tiny bit, that was it for her in his eyes. Ungrateful doesn’t even begin to describe it.
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"The old Fiona wouldve handled this" translates to "I expect you to ALWAYS cover for me, why didnt you?". Fiona being drunk in the middle of the day is a problem on its own, but knowing she drinks and still expecting to have her cover for him on demand is stupid.
And magically expecting her to know about his sponsee is both stupid AND irresponsible. Sobriety is a 2 way street, as i know myself, and expecting people you meet to know what you're trying to avoid is stupid. You AVOID those situations, as is YOUR responsibility.
That entire family grew dependant on Fiona to solve all of their problems (Debbie wanting her to lie to the welfare office on her behalf, Lip wanting her to keep up appearances for CPS while knowing she is an alcoholic/substance abuser); it makes sense that eventually Fiona would get sick of it and leave.
@@onomstarrI think you just don't understand much
He made the right call
@@onomstarrLip called her out for fucking up like "old Fiona" would. Just because she had it bad and had to be responsible for siblings doesn't make her immune to having her mistakes called out it's her own standard she's being held to.
God the actors are amazing
Baby frank 😆 🤣 😂
This show is something that has really grown with me. I started watching it in my late teens and I liked, but I think I was too young to fully understand the complex themes it addresses.....maybe I'm due for a rewatch
I hate Lip. Don’t get me wrong, Fiona sure as shit wasn’t perfect and had messed up a few times (like with Liam), but she for the most part always took accountability and was remorseful for her actions. Lip however always blamed her and everyone else for his problems and almost never fully took accountability. Fiona didn’t know he was in recovery, Fiona had no idea because Lip never communicated with her at all. And once Fiona started becoming an addict he was VERY quick to judge her and shame her and basically treat her like shit when all she needed was help.
They inversed in their arcs. The reason Lip is so mad at Fiona is because it’s not just a drinking problem. She’s actively fucking him over with her shit. Seeing your “mother figure” basically go down the same route she warned you not to go down on and pretend like it’s not her fault. You’d likely feel hurt and can’t stand to see someone fall so hard.
I agree. Fiona went through hell to raise Lip, and in the end, all the stress and trauma caught up with her and she went though a dark period, a depressed state, brought in by all the things she had no time to deal with emotionally (which was honestly expected), and Lip just expected her to act perfect all the time. Like, the second she made a bad mistake and fell from grace, it was over and she was no longer useful to Lip. Like he wanted the useful saint or nothing, so he wanted her gone. Unlike Frank, Fiona loved Lip. You don't give up on people because they fall.
@@mrj1897see he made it about his own pain and trauma....she is her own person not his mommy anymore...instead of seeing her as a person with her own struggles and trauma
@@natasha5553 She almost killed someone. She also knocked a recovering addict off the wagon because she was wallowing in her own self-pity.
You can't just say I'm sorry and fix these things. It's not a bandaid that magically makes it go away.
Lip was the only one trying to hold her accountable the same way she did to him and everyone else until she spiraled and started turning into Frank.
It's crazy you're praising early seasons Fiona for her sense of accountability, then dislike Lip for wanting her to be accountable to her mistakes. Her hypocrisy was damaging everyone around her. Given, her situation is not her fault and she was dealt some really rough cards, but for years she preached one thing, and here she is doing the opposite. She's becoming Frank.
Every time Fiona laughs/smiles I find her broken but just insane thinking she can get away with everything. Reminds me too much of my dad
When she left, all the good story ideas for the show left too. And finally I did too.
God you just don't see acting like this anywhere else.
Let this be a lesson to everyone! It doesnt matter how much someone has bent over backwards for you. If they are a drain on you in this moment, cut them off without a moment’s hesitation
She should’ve done that to lip way earlier then
@@myheadhurtbro6692 my bad, I thought it was obvious by my verbiage that I was being sarcastic. She literally raised them against all adversity for years and years and years. Her stint with alcoholism was what, a couple of months or something small like that? No they’re not obligated to help them in turn, nor is anyone, buuuuut I feel like on principle they should want to, in a circumstance like this
Yeah, when someone refuses to help themself you do not have to stick around. You cannot control people and you either let them drag you down or you take them out of your life.
I feel this should not be applied to all situations. If someone has truly bent over backwards for you in the past, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Lmao her siblings don’t owe her anything. She’s not a goodness to worship, she’s a selfish alcoholic and narcissist
It wasn’t Fiona’s fault the guy was tempted plus Lip never mentioned anything and on top of that Fiona never thought that guy did heroin. Him calling his dealer, buying, paying and shooting up heroin has 0% to do with Fiona.
The character assassination of fiona as the show went on was just too much
When Lip was acting like a lil bit no one cared, but when Fiona got out of line ONE FCING TIME, OMG, apocalipse.
Ok, 1 it is 1000% not Fiona’s fault that the guy relapsed. In this situation it is the person in recovery’s responsibility to not give into their vices, she had no way of knowing that he was in recovery. Now if he said something or if lip mentioned it then that would swing around to it being her fault a little.
2. Fiona is absolutely not responsible for letting DPS or whatever into the house, yes she could have spun the situation to make lip look like a better guy, she’s done it before but again its his responsibility to bring it to the attention of the others a simple “hey, DFS is heading here to check if im a good foster parent make me look good” and she would have lied her ass of for him.
3rd and finnaly, i fucking hate lip in this scene and this part of the series, he is constantly refuseing to communicate to his siblings and makeing his problems theirs Ugg, like i would get it if Fiona was high on cocain like she was with Liam but no she was slightly drunk, what would he have done if frank was there, would he have given him the same speech fucking Hippocrite
ong bro i seen so many lip defenders here and it’s like? she’s not responsible for anyone’s sobriety, everyone put up w lip’s shit when he was fucking his life up but she doesn’t get the same grace?
I absolutely love Emmy Rossum as she is a super talented actress and singer 🥰❤
Everyone is looking at this based on what these siblings have done, Lip by all means was never perfect it was but it was because of how hard Fiona was on him that he was able to stop his own self destruction, as a younger sibling, it would break my heart to see my sister self destruct like that, Lip wasn't lashing out at her because he was angry, he did it because he was disappointed wit what his sister was doing, she can't expect him to hold himself accountable for his fuck ups if she's not holding herself accountable for hers, at the end of the day he didn't want her becoming anything remotely close to their parents
So he kicked her out. Smart decision...like wtf
@@Naidyonov7 just cause your someone's family doesn't mean you have to condone their choices and actions, would u be OK allowing your sis to continue living with you if it means that what happened could repeat itself, sometimes tough love is the best love to give it's sucks, but alot of times it works out, I'm living proof of that, but at the same time, I understand why you feel that way
@@PrinceDevitt_V2 i mean sometimes yes, but Fiona cared for them. And Lip pays her back by showing though love by kicking her out. I mean restricting her or punishing her some other way is understandable. But kicking your sister out on her lowest, with 50/50 chance She might end up as a homeless drunk is just being careless.
@@Naidyonov7 like I said I understand but take it from someone who was literally in this same situation when he was 14, I watch my older bro kick out my older sis, and if she were still on the streets today guess what, she'd tell you herself it would be her fault for ending up and remaining in that position, stop making excuses for Fiona she's a grown ass woman who knows right from wrong, like I said Lip was never perfect but then again alot of his decisions never truly led to no one's life being jeopardy, or did you all of a sudden forget what happened to Liam when Fiona had to keep an eye on him, sounds like your the type to let a whole lot of things and people slide no matter how server or fucked up it may be
I've never really watched this show and this got me emotional and now I want to binge it
Lip blaming her for adults making their own choices.
A day drunk doesn't sip liquor like that. They gulp it.
People like to defend fiona like what she did for her siblings is a get out of jail free card for every bs she did wrong for the rest of her entire existence. Well it isn't,what she did any other older sibling worth a pinch of salt would have done and does every day. And the biggest bs is that she actually showed that card any time it was convenient for her when she did some stupid thing or ruined someone else's life. What people don't realize when they defend her is that every time they do they mention frank and monica being horrible parents while completely disregarding that fiona literally turned into them and acted the exact same way they did. Every thing she did that was messed up was never her fault,all she cared about was herself,being drunk and high and doing anything she could do get that,she brough nothing but Misery and difficulty into the family and others around them. She Turned into frank and always used Frank being a douche to justify her being the same.
Both her and debbie were the most detestable people in this entire series and the worse part is that people like this actually exist.
Yeah Fiona sacraficed a lot for them but that doesn't mean she can just fall in a downward spiral without any comments because of what she did.
Fiona did more than frank the kids were horrible to her every time they was in trouble she was there but when she was in trouble nobody was there everything u said was invalid frank literally left his son in a trap
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@@hectorperez5474you are literally doing what the comment says is bullshit to do. Saying that what she's doing is justified or more okay just because frank and Monica were horrible. The fact is that she was hurting people with her issues and was TURNING into those horrible people that were her parents
For everyone taking up for Fiona by saying that when Lip was at his lowest Fiona hepled him by encouraging him to go back to school and helped get him a job while she was at her lowest he kicked her out, let me explain something to you. Fiona was a legal guardian to all of her siblings and then later still had to be a legal guardian to the rest of her 3 siblings (Ian and Lip are 18+ now at this point) as guardian you can't be doing the crap that Fiona was doing and Lip was stepping up to take care of the stuff that Fiona wasn't taking care while still struggling with his sobriety his damn self now he has to make sure that Fiona doesn't go down the same path, he was 100% right in this situation. He saw that Fiona wasn't willing or ready to change so he did what he had to do for the sake of his 3 younger siblings and kicked her out.
fiona is the only one in that family who sacrificed anything for the family.
no she's not, if sacrifice you mean giving coke to the little black one sure
Intense, that is the only word for it... it was perfect... perfect. 👍
Not really on lips side here. I haven’t seen the entire context of this scenario, but from what I have seen if the show and this clip, it really wasn’t her fault.
What’re we supposed to go through life looking out for every single possible mistake someone could be making at any given moment and hold ourselves accountable for their actions? Girl was trying her best and this dude wants to act like he’s been holding it down single-handedly.
I agree with you partly. Fiona's character by this point was reduced down to someone who stopped taking accountability because she felt that she deserved to think about herself for once. But the writers put her in a constant cycle of doing this. Lip here is doing what Season 1 Fiona was doing with Frank. Kicking out someone who just doesn't care about who they hurt. I agree with you partly that this isn't her fault really, but this isn't the first time she let something like this happen. So I don't think he's doing anything Fiona in the past wouldn't have done.
Man I forgot how raw this show was. ❤❤
can i ask why did lip care so much about that dudes sobriety? like were they best friends? was him being sober gonna get lip a raise or sum shit? idk but i feel like lip just wanted to lash out at someone who in his eyes is worse than him so he can feel better about the mistakes hes made so far yk like not finishing college or having a baby when he knows damn well he can’t support it
God damn is it illegal to care for people? You seem like a pretty sick person that you can only fathom supporting someone if it has a financial benifit
He sponsored Jason (guy who relapsed) for AA, so he basically mentors him into recovery from addictions
Umm because he is his sponsor? His role is to help him stay sober?
Do you know anything about AA?
@@PearlFirexxStill doesn’t answer the question.
Bro tried blaming her because an alcoholic who wasn’t even in the slightest peer pressured to drink asked for a drink. She ain’t in the wrong tbh it’s not her job to not drink around people she doesn’t know lips just a big ass hypocrite the entire show hate him just as much as debi 😂
At the end of the day, this is how poorly he is treating the woman that practically raised him…yeah she’s fucking up, yeah she’s on a bender, yeah she doesn’t care anymore…this isn’t how you handle somebody who has given everything for others and YOU (specifically you to know better and right from wrong) and is now filling it with the only thing she knows how’s. Fiona deserved so much more compassion than shit from others.
You cannot save an alcoholic they have to help themselves. My stepfather was drunk and never did anything good except die. My mother was addicted to prescription drugs over med and self med. Myself My brother and sister made it out damaged. My brother was addicted to drugs and alcohol he died in 2017. My sister had to move to another state she is happy healthy and living her best life. I have a great family unfortunately I could not have around an addict can't be trusted
I haven’t seen even one episode from this show. But the video is making me want to watch the whole series. I thought it was just a straight up comedy or something. Didn’t know it got this deep. Plus, my guy, Jeremy is here. Forgot about that
Lip is overreacting. Like obviously she should've been more responsible but he's there acting like she shoved the booze down Jason's throat. It's good that he ended up failing in life loll
She's a great great actor
As this family gets older the alcohol eventually comes into play. Sad
I'm sorry but its Jason's own fault for starting drinking and drugs again 😂
Fiona took care of them yes and she saved there asses more times than anyone can count but as soon as they turned 18 they should not have expected it and they were never grateful. Lips biggest argument was he didn’t wanna be the golden goose of the family but Fiona never wanted that she only wanted him to live to his fullest potential and he threw it all away. Yes Fiona needed tough love but for a guy who’s supposed to be super smart he never handled situations like this very wisely. Fiona had every right to defend herself yes she had a drinking problem but a lot of the things he just blamed her for wasn’t her fault in the slightest
being addict to alcool the 'hundred days he was sobber" really hit hard
Fabulous acting
I’ve seen this scene a hundred times and I’ve also seen people that have recovered, shows about recovery, etc. But, personally Fiona wasn’t in the wrong, she’s been through so much and she continues to be the person they all need, they have their own problems and when it all comes crashing down they blow up. The Sponsee should have kept to his recovery, she’s an emotional person that’s a traumatic alcoholic and she was lamenting. Her eyes were covered when he stared at the alcohol so there’s no way she would have known. He took responsibility and adopted that girl because he wanted to be a father. It’s the parent responsibility to make sure their child is in a good home. Her burnout is very visible and goes unnoticed by EVERYONE until she recovers herself. I’m not saying that Fiona didn’t make dumb decisions, but go into the mental of what they are. Traumatized children struggling with the idea of family, even Fiona. Who’s had her dad, that she took the place of continually fuck up and traumatize everyone even more. Fiona did her best and just like us, she broke.
I always hated how lip treated Fiona in both her rough times during season 4 and this season, yes Fiona makes mistakes like any other human would but she always raised all of those kids and did everything she could for them even when some were adults she got them jobs and tried to support them but yet when Fiona goes through it in season 4 and season 9 lip is the main one who lashes out at her and never actually helps when he should be grateful he’s alive because of her
It's with dark moments like this that the show reminds us that fiona really is Frank's daughter.
Hot take, but this scene, and many others, is why I REALLY struggled to like Lip's character in this. The dude is the biggest fucking hypocrite in the show, and FIONA DID NOT KNOW. She had NO WAY of knowing that a grown ass adult was Lip's 100 day sober sponsee, so this being the thing that made him kick her out is stupid as hell
he looked stiff as hell when he lashed out too lmaoaoa
Fiona is the biggest hypocrite lol
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Vampire diaries needed shameless writers they made this show so good
Remember that Fiona lost her childhood, and had to raise her siblings!!
She sure won’t let anyone forget!
Having bâd things happen to you is not an excuse to do bâd things to others. You keep that vïctim mindset and you’ll become the biggest mønster there is.
Ok and?
@@brookelynnwu8016 what bad thing has she done? it's not her fault the guy relapsed tf???
@@matelko333uh? She literally left drugs around her youngest brother and hospitalized him. Sounds pretty bad to me.