The variation we play with on bidding says that the new bid doesn't necessarily have to be higher based on the product of the dice face and the quantity (e.g. going from 4 threes to 3 sixes). Ours is that you have to either bid a higher dice face with the same quantity, or a higher quantity with any dice face, even if the product of dice face and quantity is lower. (e.g. you could go from 3 sixes to 4 twos).
Great comment, I know that there isn’t an official consensus on this, so I didn’t include it, but it’s nice to hear that it works with the way you play. I’ll have to give it a try. Thanks!
I found your channel when looking for games to play with my newly ordered Sicilian deck (inspired by one of my professors who's Sicilian), and lemme tell you - you're a godsend! I'm studying Italian Philology (or Italian Studies) in uni, and recently I got really into card games, especially regional games like Tarock, Tarot, Skat, or Tresillo. Your italian regional decks series is very interesting, and the "how to play" videos for Briscola, Tresette and Scopa are a great help too! I'm actually glad you covered Liar's Dice too, as I intend to use it in a game of 7th Sea (a tabletop roleplaying game of the Swashbuckling genre, and it takes a lot from Pirates of the Caribbean, so I think it's obvious why the choice of dice game) Grazie mille, and I hope your channel fares well!
Hey there! This is one of my fav and immortal dice game when I visit my family every Sunday. I´ve got a little objection in this video explanation; When you´re bidding numbers, the 1s are wild so can be used and considered as dice with the number in play. In any case, great video of an immortal and always a cool dice game.
I’ve absolutely heard of that variant and even recorded it, but the video was getting too long with all of the variations I found. I know this is a very popular one and should have kept it in. Thanks for adding it here!
Just found this channel!! Really great and well put together videos! Thank you very much for the efforts spent on putting these all together- they are fantastic!!
Chris Thanks for the Video. Boy you shook an old memory loose with this game, when I was young and start going in bars the older guys played a game called "" Liar's Poker "" same as the basic rules of this game but the challenged each other on the serial numbers on a 1 dollar bill, they would peek at their bill and bluff the other guy with the numbers, sometimes just for a drink or for the dollar. if the bartender could change the bills that has been used maybe an hour or so. Thanks for the memory(s) as Bob Hope you to say. OK Mty Friend.👍👍👍
Having the "true" call mechanic from the Red Dead Redemption variant really makes this a lot better especially in the end phase when it's 1v1. Knocking someone out as being too honest is both satisfying and fitting for the theme. Also the raising by either number of dice or face of die, without being able to reduce either, is more fun. Makes "1" a more conservative option for bluffing on.
There actually is a nice coloured packaged version called 'Perudo' just as you named it in the beginning of your video. The rules that comes with that package are a little bit different (small varriations) and the sixes are tucan-heads. In the version that we play is the end game different and i love that varriation. When the player that has 1 dice left (sorry I can not type the 1 version of dice) opens the bidding, the other players has to follow his pip number. Thanks for making these video's! I love them; especially the video's of Italian playing cards. I bought some sets to impress my Dutch friends with the awesome games you can play with it!
That sounds great, and I love the variation you have. It's such a great, underrated game. I find it to be similar to poker, but much more fun and casual. Thanks for watching!
So well explained! In Chile we play this game a lot and we call it: “cachos” (like ‘horns’). There is one variation that when a player has his last dice (his first turn with one dice) he can choose if to whether play it ‘open’ or ‘closed’. (‘Abierto o cerrado’ in spanish) Open: he sees all the dices in the table, except his. And everybody else in the game sees his dice. Closed: nobody sees any dice I hope I explained right 😂
Ones are wild, so if you say eg 3 3’s and you only have one and forcing the next player to go higher, you’re taking a chance that there’s some ones in play.
I've seen other variations of the game where dices aren't removed(but in order for that to happen you have to bet on something or make it a drinking game where the loser drinks in every round) and aces are wild (which means that when you say "there are six-6s" you include the aces of the game too and you can't bid on the aces of the game because they are wild anyways).I think the "wild aces" makes it a little bit more interesting .
Really well explained thank you! In the version I play there’s also a spot on feature. So if someone bids that there are a total of Four Sixes across the table, then I can respond to that by saying it’s spot on. Which is to say that I think there are exactly 4 sixes on the table. Nothing more and nothing less. It’s more risky since it has to be exact number rather it being at least 4 sixes. However it can be a risk which pays off when the total number of dice has been decreased overtime throughout the game. Especially considering how if the spot on is correct then all players lose one die except the one calling the spot on. Can really help struggling players make a comeback. I found this game out through playing the first red dead redemption game (2010) thanks a lot though for the video!
@@jhosyh27 I'm glad to hear that! I hope this has cleared things up now and that the game makes sense now! Please do let me know if you have any questions :)
I made a rulebook for me and my friends after I heard different rules from a lot of people. In our variation One's are wild. So they count as any number that you need to support your bet. One can remove or add this rule arbitrarily but it generally prolongs a game. Another rule we have is that you can bid either A) increase face but keep amount (three threes to three fours) B) increase amount and change face arbitrarily (with the exception of One) (three threes to four twos) C) increase amount and keep face (three threes to four threes) I added some more fun rules, i think this game is really great and modular
Nice video, when I play I also use the rule of wild 1s (that means 1s count towards the called number, unless 1st player in the round betted on 1s, in that case they only represent themselves)
When i played liars dice a lot we had a palafico rule! whenever you had one remaining die, you became palafico (usually the whole table would erupt calling you palafico and pointing). The palafico gets to go first, and gets to declare the pip count for the dice which cannot be changed once set by any player, including the palafico, so you can only bid up on the amount number of that pip count.
so what im getting is that there are different ways to play this. some show you cant reduce the value that was stated from like fours to threes. others do. here I am now seeing that you can change upwards but the total amount of dots was a factor. four 3s (12 eyes) to three 6s because it's higher than 12. is there sth im missing or are the explanations incomplete with different tutors? because what i watched was like this: blue: four 3s red: five 4s green: five 5s purple: six 4s blue: six 6s red: seven 4s. so in this case the value changed up and down while the amout of dice could only stay the same (different value) or increase. never decrease. i like the game but im kinda disturbed by the differences. can someone elaborate please
Not sure I got all of this, but as far as I know the correct way to play is always make the sum value higher on each turn. So if it was 12 (3 fours or 2 sixes) the next turn value must be higher like 16 (4 fours or 8 twos). That said this game is entirely house rule driven and the rules are quite flexible. Like any such relic game, play the house rules and if it's your house, use the rules you prefer. Anyone else, feel free to chime in! Thanks for the comment.
@Play-In-Games Personally, I think that the idea of saying 3 6’s and reducing the quantity from 4 to 3 tends to make things a bit confusing and complicated. That’s why I prefer not to do this and increase the previous bid by changing either the quantity or face value (or both of them if you wanted to). So instead of thinking of 4 3’s as 12 (because 4 x 3 = 12), a more straightforward way of looking at 4 3’s as if it’s the number 43. So you can think of four threes (4 3’s) as the two digit number 43 and then increasing the bid in this case would be think of a number greater than 43 (greater than 4 3’s/ four threes). Now this could be 4 4’s (four fours), 4 5’s (four fives), 4 6’s (four sixes), 5 1’s (five ones), 5 2’s (five twos), 5 3’s (five threes), 5 4’s (five fours), 5 5’s (five fives), 5 6’s (five sixes) and so on. In this case, as shown in the video at around 2:29, the player with the blue circle can respond to the player with the yellow circle’s bid of 4 3’s (four threes) by increasing the bid to 4 6’s (four sixes) instead. So this would mean that the quantity would stay the same (since we’re currently still thinking about whether or not there is four of something across the whole table) but the face value/dot or dots on the dice would change. Now the next player with the green circle might respond to the bid by increasing it to 5 6’s (five sixes). Then the player with the red circle could accuse the one in the green circle of lying. Once the accusation of lying has been made then the red circle player would end up losing the round because there actually is a total of 5 6’s across the table as shown in the video. In other words, I think it’s easier to think of a bid like 4 3’s (four threes) or 5 4’s (five fours) not as either 12 or 20 but rather see a bid as a two digit number. So start to see 4 3’s as the two digit number 43 and 5 4’s as the two digit number 54, where the first number (the number on the left) is the quantity and the second number (the number on the right) is the face value. So to respond to the bid 4 3’s you could up the bid by saying (4 4’s (four fours), 4 5’s (four fives), 4 6’s (four sixes), 5 1’s (five ones) , 5 2’s (five twos), 5’3s (five threes) etc) and as for 5 4’s you can increase the bid by saying something like (5 5’s (five fives), 5 6’s (five sixes) , 6 1’s (six ones), 6 2’s (six twos), 6 3’s (six threes), 6 4’s (six fours) etc.). By doing this you’ll notice that bidding starts to become easier. This is a simpler and very helpful way of understanding how bidding works in Liar’s dice. With all this in mind, it’s also important that you stay vigilant and make a mental note of the other bids that have been said as those pieces of information will be incredibly useful in determining whether or not you want to increase the bid or accuse the player of lying. And it also allows the game to move quicker and allow room for multiple rounds to be played, especially if you’re playing with 4 or more players. I hope this helps and I really hope that this explanation cleared things up for you. Do let me know if you have any other questions!
@ it was great actually! This is definitely one of those games that will always have contentious and fluid rules but this one would make the game go smoother. The most important rule is to make sure everyone knows the house rules before playing!
What I don't like about having to higher the dice face is the higher number faces are going to be advantaged over lower number faces so there is inherent RNG element that can just screw you when you get 3x 1s and then what, nobody else will stay at 1s and so if you want to keep betting on what you find most likely face you have to up the quantity making it just harder for yourself instead of changing face to 6s when you know you have 3x 6s it's something you can do that you can't with 1s. There has to be a version that eliminates need for this rule, because if the one with most high value faces is most likely to win it might as well skip the deception part and just win based on who has highest value from their 5 dices. Statistically you're better off with 6s than with 1s. Not really a fan of the game with this set of rules.
you can play a version with 1s being wild. so any time someone calls liar. for example if someone says 6 4s, and when you check there are 4 4s but 2 1s, the 1s will be represented as 4s too and will make 6 4s. did i explain that ok? so like 1 represents the number bidded too.
@@philipoladele391 Wild 1s won't change it much, ending with like 3x 2s is still garbage and you can't use it for deception if someone upped to 3s or 4s, your 2s are just horrible, there is no deception you can make you're operating purely on guesses of what others have and your dice are non-factors as you can't bet on them at all anymore. Surely 1s can make the game more random to eliminate some nerd bringing statistical likelihood to the game and make it dull by repetition, but higher numbers will still be preferred rolls in that setting. I like the deception part of the game, not the RNG dice rolling part, that was the meat of my complaint.
I highly doubt Liar's Dice was invented by the Inca. I don't recall evidence for six-sided dice pre-European contact, they used multiple two-sided "dice" to play puluk/bul, for example (which is a fun simple board game incidentally). Any "games" from those cultures usually seem inextricable from rituals and/or ceremonial magic and divination, eg. the Aztec basketball thing. Meanwhile six-sided dice games were a plague on the coinpouches of soldiers Europe-wide, and especially the Habsburg (including Spanish) dominions. Whenever battles had a pause, enemy soldiers would meet in no man's land and gamble with their dice on their war drums.
The variation we play with on bidding says that the new bid doesn't necessarily have to be higher based on the product of the dice face and the quantity (e.g. going from 4 threes to 3 sixes). Ours is that you have to either bid a higher dice face with the same quantity, or a higher quantity with any dice face, even if the product of dice face and quantity is lower. (e.g. you could go from 3 sixes to 4 twos).
Great comment, I know that there isn’t an official consensus on this, so I didn’t include it, but it’s nice to hear that it works with the way you play. I’ll have to give it a try. Thanks!
I found your channel when looking for games to play with my newly ordered Sicilian deck (inspired by one of my professors who's Sicilian), and lemme tell you - you're a godsend!
I'm studying Italian Philology (or Italian Studies) in uni, and recently I got really into card games, especially regional games like Tarock, Tarot, Skat, or Tresillo. Your italian regional decks series is very interesting, and the "how to play" videos for Briscola, Tresette and Scopa are a great help too!
I'm actually glad you covered Liar's Dice too, as I intend to use it in a game of 7th Sea (a tabletop roleplaying game of the Swashbuckling genre, and it takes a lot from Pirates of the Caribbean, so I think it's obvious why the choice of dice game)
Grazie mille, and I hope your channel fares well!
Im so happy to hear this. Thanks so much for the nice comments and enjoy playing those games, especially the ones with the Sicilian deck!
I learned Scopa fairly recently- is that an alternate name for any of your listed games, or is it a separate game entirely?
Hey there! This is one of my fav and immortal dice game when I visit my family every Sunday. I´ve got a little objection in this video explanation; When you´re bidding numbers, the 1s are wild so can be used and considered as dice with the number in play.
In any case, great video of an immortal and always a cool dice game.
I’ve absolutely heard of that variant and even recorded it, but the video was getting too long with all of the variations I found. I know this is a very popular one and should have kept it in. Thanks for adding it here!
Just found this channel!! Really great and well put together videos! Thank you very much for the efforts spent on putting these all together- they are fantastic!!
Thank you so much for the nice comment and for watching!
@@Play-In-Games No worries! Keep up the great work! And thank you for making them!!
Really explain well thank you for the video
Chris Thanks for the Video. Boy you shook an old memory loose with this game, when I was young and start going in bars the older guys played a game called "" Liar's Poker "" same as the basic rules of this game but the challenged each other on the serial numbers on a 1 dollar bill, they would peek at their bill and bluff the other guy with the numbers, sometimes just for a drink or for the dollar. if the bartender could change the bills that has been used maybe an hour or so. Thanks for the memory(s) as Bob Hope you to say. OK Mty Friend.👍👍👍
Great games make great memories!
Having the "true" call mechanic from the Red Dead Redemption variant really makes this a lot better especially in the end phase when it's 1v1. Knocking someone out as being too honest is both satisfying and fitting for the theme. Also the raising by either number of dice or face of die, without being able to reduce either, is more fun. Makes "1" a more conservative option for bluffing on.
There actually is a nice coloured packaged version called 'Perudo' just as you named it in the beginning of your video. The rules that comes with that package are a little bit different (small varriations) and the sixes are tucan-heads.
In the version that we play is the end game different and i love that varriation. When the player that has 1 dice left (sorry I can not type the 1 version of dice) opens the bidding, the other players has to follow his pip number.
Thanks for making these video's! I love them; especially the video's of Italian playing cards. I bought some sets to impress my Dutch friends with the awesome games you can play with it!
That sounds great, and I love the variation you have. It's such a great, underrated game. I find it to be similar to poker, but much more fun and casual. Thanks for watching!
So well explained! In Chile we play this game a lot and we call it: “cachos” (like ‘horns’). There is one variation that when a player has his last dice (his first turn with one dice) he can choose if to whether play it ‘open’ or ‘closed’. (‘Abierto o cerrado’ in spanish)
Open: he sees all the dices in the table, except his. And everybody else in the game sees his dice.
Closed: nobody sees any dice
I hope I explained right 😂
Thank you! I really like your Chilean variation and will give it a try!
Ones are wild, so if you say eg 3 3’s and you only have one and forcing the next player to go higher, you’re taking a chance that there’s some ones in play.
I've seen other variations of the game where dices aren't removed(but in order for that to happen you have to bet on something or make it a drinking game where the loser drinks in every round) and aces are wild (which means that when you say "there are six-6s" you include the aces of the game too and you can't bid on the aces of the game because they are wild anyways).I think the "wild aces" makes it a little bit more interesting .
Really well explained thank you! In the version I play there’s also a spot on feature. So if someone bids that there are a total of Four Sixes across the table, then I can respond to that by saying it’s spot on. Which is to say that I think there are exactly 4 sixes on the table. Nothing more and nothing less. It’s more risky since it has to be exact number rather it being at least 4 sixes. However it can be a risk which pays off when the total number of dice has been decreased overtime throughout the game. Especially considering how if the spot on is correct then all players lose one die except the one calling the spot on. Can really help struggling players make a comeback. I found this game out through playing the first red dead redemption game (2010) thanks a lot though for the video!
That’s a really great sounding variation, I’ll definitely try it next time I play. Thanks for sharing it!
Really explain well thank you😍
@@jhosyh27 I'm glad to hear that! I hope this has cleared things up now and that the game makes sense now! Please do let me know if you have any questions :)
I made a rulebook for me and my friends after I heard different rules from a lot of people. In our variation One's are wild. So they count as any number that you need to support your bet. One can remove or add this rule arbitrarily but it generally prolongs a game.
Another rule we have is that you can bid either A) increase face but keep amount (three threes to three fours)
B) increase amount and change face arbitrarily (with the exception of One) (three threes to four twos)
C) increase amount and keep face (three threes to four threes)
I added some more fun rules, i think this game is really great and modular
These are excellent variations. I have played “ones” wild, but the other rules are new to me. I’ll have to give them a try. Thanks for sharing!
Nice video, when I play I also use the rule of wild 1s (that means 1s count towards the called number, unless 1st player in the round betted on 1s, in that case they only represent themselves)
Yes I’ve heard that rule a lot. I wish I included it in the video since it makes it a bit more interesting. Thanks for watching!
When i played liars dice a lot we had a palafico rule! whenever you had one remaining die, you became palafico (usually the whole table would erupt calling you palafico and pointing). The palafico gets to go first, and gets to declare the pip count for the dice which cannot be changed once set by any player, including the palafico, so you can only bid up on the amount number of that pip count.
Great variation, I should have mentioned that this game typically has house rules which evolve to fit the group you play with. Yours sounds fun!
so what im getting is that there are different ways to play this.
some show you cant reduce the value that was stated from like fours to threes.
others do.
here I am now seeing that you can change upwards but the total amount of dots was a factor. four 3s (12 eyes) to three 6s because it's higher than 12.
is there sth im missing or are the explanations incomplete with different tutors?
because what i watched was like this:
blue: four 3s
red: five 4s
green: five 5s
purple: six 4s
blue: six 6s
red: seven 4s.
so in this case the value changed up and down while the amout of dice could only stay the same (different value) or increase. never decrease.
i like the game but im kinda disturbed by the differences.
can someone elaborate please
Not sure I got all of this, but as far as I know the correct way to play is always make the sum value higher on each turn. So if it was 12 (3 fours or 2 sixes) the next turn value must be higher like 16 (4 fours or 8 twos). That said this game is entirely house rule driven and the rules are quite flexible. Like any such relic game, play the house rules and if it's your house, use the rules you prefer.
Anyone else, feel free to chime in!
Thanks for the comment.
@Play-In-Games Personally, I think that the idea of saying 3 6’s and reducing the quantity from 4 to 3 tends to make things a bit confusing and complicated. That’s why I prefer not to do this and increase the previous bid by changing either the quantity or face value (or both of them if you wanted to). So instead of thinking of 4 3’s as 12 (because 4 x 3 = 12), a more straightforward way of looking at 4 3’s as if it’s the number 43. So you can think of four threes (4 3’s) as the two digit number 43 and then increasing the bid in this case would be think of a number greater than 43 (greater than 4 3’s/ four threes). Now this could be 4 4’s (four fours), 4 5’s (four fives), 4 6’s (four sixes), 5 1’s (five ones), 5 2’s (five twos), 5 3’s (five threes), 5 4’s (five fours), 5 5’s (five fives), 5 6’s (five sixes) and so on.
In this case, as shown in the video at around 2:29, the player with the blue circle can respond to the player with the yellow circle’s bid of 4 3’s (four threes) by increasing the bid to 4 6’s (four sixes) instead. So this would mean that the quantity would stay the same (since we’re currently still thinking about whether or not there is four of something across the whole table) but the face value/dot or dots on the dice would change. Now the next player with the green circle might respond to the bid by increasing it to 5 6’s (five sixes). Then the player with the red circle could accuse the one in the green circle of lying. Once the accusation of lying has been made then the red circle player would end up losing the round because there actually is a total of 5 6’s across the table as shown in the video.
In other words, I think it’s easier to think of a bid like 4 3’s (four threes) or 5 4’s (five fours) not as either 12 or 20 but rather see a bid as a two digit number. So start to see 4 3’s as the two digit number 43 and 5 4’s as the two digit number 54, where the first number (the number on the left) is the quantity and the second number (the number on the right) is the face value. So to respond to the bid 4 3’s you could up the bid by saying (4 4’s (four fours), 4 5’s (four fives), 4 6’s (four sixes), 5 1’s (five ones) , 5 2’s (five twos), 5’3s (five threes) etc) and as for 5 4’s you can increase the bid by saying something like (5 5’s (five fives), 5 6’s (five sixes) , 6 1’s (six ones), 6 2’s (six twos), 6 3’s (six threes), 6 4’s (six fours) etc.). By doing this you’ll notice that bidding starts to become easier.
This is a simpler and very helpful way of understanding how bidding works in Liar’s dice. With all this in mind, it’s also important that you stay vigilant and make a mental note of the other bids that have been said as those pieces of information will be incredibly useful in determining whether or not you want to increase the bid or accuse the player of lying. And it also allows the game to move quicker and allow room for multiple rounds to be played, especially if you’re playing with 4 or more players. I hope this helps and I really hope that this explanation cleared things up for you. Do let me know if you have any other questions!
@@Play-In-GamesI hope that explanation was okay 😅
@ it was great actually! This is definitely one of those games that will always have contentious and fluid rules but this one would make the game go smoother. The most important rule is to make sure everyone knows the house rules before playing!
No pot?
You forgot the "spot on" option. If some says spot on, on that bud and it turns out to be ylevery one pays 1 die 🎲 beside the one who calls it
Cool that’s a new one for me, thanks for the heads up!
Finally i can win in red dead redemption 😅
What I don't like about having to higher the dice face is the higher number faces are going to be advantaged over lower number faces so there is inherent RNG element that can just screw you when you get 3x 1s and then what, nobody else will stay at 1s and so if you want to keep betting on what you find most likely face you have to up the quantity making it just harder for yourself instead of changing face to 6s when you know you have 3x 6s it's something you can do that you can't with 1s. There has to be a version that eliminates need for this rule, because if the one with most high value faces is most likely to win it might as well skip the deception part and just win based on who has highest value from their 5 dices. Statistically you're better off with 6s than with 1s. Not really a fan of the game with this set of rules.
you can play a version with 1s being wild. so any time someone calls liar. for example if someone says 6 4s, and when you check there are 4 4s but 2 1s, the 1s will be represented as 4s too and will make 6 4s. did i explain that ok? so like 1 represents the number bidded too.
@@philipoladele391 Wild 1s won't change it much, ending with like 3x 2s is still garbage and you can't use it for deception if someone upped to 3s or 4s, your 2s are just horrible, there is no deception you can make you're operating purely on guesses of what others have and your dice are non-factors as you can't bet on them at all anymore. Surely 1s can make the game more random to eliminate some nerd bringing statistical likelihood to the game and make it dull by repetition, but higher numbers will still be preferred rolls in that setting. I like the deception part of the game, not the RNG dice rolling part, that was the meat of my complaint.
Definitely a game I never understood from watching the movie, I understand better now but damn not a game I wanna play
"A table full of liars" So I take it this isn't a game I can play a Christian picnic :3 Fine, I'll play it with some politicians X3
we must not know the same Catholics 😂
Ar' ya sure 'bout that? 👁️
I highly doubt Liar's Dice was invented by the Inca. I don't recall evidence for six-sided dice pre-European contact, they used multiple two-sided "dice" to play puluk/bul, for example (which is a fun simple board game incidentally). Any "games" from those cultures usually seem inextricable from rituals and/or ceremonial magic and divination, eg. the Aztec basketball thing. Meanwhile six-sided dice games were a plague on the coinpouches of soldiers Europe-wide, and especially the Habsburg (including Spanish) dominions. Whenever battles had a pause, enemy soldiers would meet in no man's land and gamble with their dice on their war drums.