Space Hulk (Third Edition, 2009) Review | A Stick to the Script Review of a Games Workshop Classic
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Always Board Never Boring is pleased to share the latest review in his Stick to the Script series. This time, he's looking at the all-time classic from Games Workshop, Space Hulk (third edition, 2009). In this game, a team of Blood Angels terminators enter a desolate space craft in search of vile alien genestealers, important relics, and lost honour.
Please be aware that Stick to the Script reviews aren't so much about rules and game mechanisms as they are about the way board games can make you feel, so if anyone is interested in a more in-depth discussion of gameplay mechanisms please just share your thoughts in the comments and there may be a deep dive review later on. Please also note that images in the video are intended to represent the feel of gameplay, so are not 100% accurate representations of game mechanisms such as revealing blips and sustained fire.
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You do justice to this great game. Brought me into the hobby back in 1989. Keep on doing this great kind of videos, it helps to remember some epic gaming moments frozen in time.
Thank you. It really is a great game; I just didn't know that back in 1989/1990 when I was playing HeroQuest and Space Crusade!
Thanks for this awesome video! Space Hulk is without a doubt my most favorite board game of all time (in my humble 57 years of existence anyway) I had the 1st Edition back in ‘89 but left it with a friend in Virginia in 2004. I was fortunate enough to find a new 4th Edition at A Hobby Shop (Yep, that was the real name) in 2016. I opened it in October 2020 and painted the last miniature in November. It hasn’t been off of my gaming table since then! Love, love, love it! Your enthusiastic narrative is well deserved and well delivered!
Thanks for watching. It really is a classic game. So streamlined, and packed with tension. Glad to hear you're having so much fun with it!
Great review. What a coincidence, I just finished painting the genestealers from space hulk today!
One day I will get around to painting mine! Thanks for watching.
In first edition, we had 2 house rules that meant you could frequently lose the timer
1) rush rules, if one genestealer moves forward and doesn’t die, when it advances again, everything behind it moves forward with it (including unconverted blips)
2) voluntary and involuntary conversion. If the stealer player chooses to, any out of sight blip can be converted to its numerical equivalent, and chained out in any direction from the original blip point, even into view of marines. Involuntary, when a marine sees the blip, the blips have to chain away from the viewpoint of the marine, UNLESS there’s something blocking that direction, in which case they can chain forward if they have to
Both of these rules made the stealers just quicker in your face, and a timer made it too difficult for the marine
Holy crud dude, with the timing! I JUST finished watching a series of Space Hulk videos after watching your old Combat Patrol vid, which I watched because of your new Space Marines Adventures vid, and now you come at us with a Space Hulk vid! I would love to dust off my 3rd edition copy, if only I had someone to play it with :(
My evil scheme is to keep bouncing you from video to video so you never leave.
Genestealer blip to C4.
@@pcuimac Flamer shot to C2, 3, 4, 5, B3, 4, 5, D3, 4, 5 ;) Overwatch shot to... AWWW crap!!
I have my 4th Edition set up on my gaming table right now! Come to Florida, visit Walt Disney World, then come over to my house for some “bug hunting”...
@@samuelsanfratello4617 Sounds great! I would love to hunt some bugs
I really appreciate the review as an interactive experience report. Just seeing pieces and parts of a game I may have trouble getting is frustrating. Hearing what it was like to play was much better! It shall be mine, one day it shall be mine!
Thanks. I'm glad you liked the review. Hopefully GW will reprint it eventually.
Excellent video. Arguably the best game in a box that GW has ever produced. I think it works brilliantly as a lean and stripped down game, but also if you incorporate the psychic combat and hybrids from the first edition expansions it can become a sprawling and intense campaign game for hardcore gamers.
The biggest downside of Space Hulk is GW seems to deliberately under print it, despite knowing it will sell, the limited supply massively inflates the value of an already expensive game on the secondary market.
Thanks. It's definitely due a new print run.
It is because of you and this video I bought the SH 4ed and will expand it with all sorts of custom content! And I promised myself I would not buy anything new until Ive played at least majority of my games... Well done, great video.
I'm happy the video helped you to make a purchasing decision. Space Hulk really is a gem.
I want to hear about the custom content! I need ideas, as i want to do the same, but don't know where to start. I guess i would like hormagaunts, but don't know how to bend the rules as to include them. Open to ideas of others about their custom content! Any help apreciated!
What an amazing video.
I wish there were much of those with this style for many many more games.
Subscribed!
Thanks so much for the kind words. I try to publish Stick to the Script reviews whenever I can, but they are very time consuming. Be sure to check out the Stick to the Script playlist!
Space Hulk, what a classic! GW always gives the game so much love and I can't wait for the 5th edition!
It really is an incredibly lavish production. The thickness of the card is crazy.
Will there be a fifth .? 🤔
Edition 1 player - a classic. Showing my age. Best game ever made by GW. We have added some nice touches - tech marine that can set up sentry guns etc. Great games, great times.
It's definitely a classic.
Excellent idea, do you mind sharing the rules?
@@n.kat.7928 Good Evening. it was a long time ago... but, this is what I remember - obviously we nicked the idea from the Aliens 2 film - great film. A tech marine was a basic terminator with powerglove and bolter. It was 4 action points to set up the sentry gun (the sentry gun was made from the spare plastic flamers that came in the box, stuck to the top of a small plastic rod etc.) - but they could be made from anything). They could be placed facing in one direction (to cover LOS down a single corridor etc). We had that they had 10 shots and rolled 2 dice for each shot and killed genestealers on a 5 or 6. The sentry gun fired (had to) at any genestealer moving within its LOS. Once the sentry gun was laided it blocked movement for terminators through that square. A terminator could pay 2 action points to "push it to one side" after which it would not function. It did not block LOS or fire for terminators. If it was flamed it was destroyed on a 5 or 6.
I remember we also played that it could be put on a 90 degree corner and cover 2 corridors at once - that seemed to work OK. Hope that helps. With us the Terminators have a 1 in 8 game success rate. It is brutal, especially when the other player knows the sneaky genestealer tricks to try and make you jam and deplete your ammo before he sends a horde at you! Many times the terminator player's best option is to flame the corridor with your own guys in, hope they survive the flaming (in Ed 1 terminators died only on a roll of a 6) and then walk them through the flames and the flames would block the movement of the genestealers!!! That gave you a bit of a relieve before the nasties were at your back again. All the best, may your bolters not jam and the emperor guide your shot! John.
@@drjohnd.9508 Thank you very much, I just laid my hands on a 3rd edition Spacehulk for the first and I will definitely try this!
@@n.kat.7928 I'm not sure what the flamer rules are in the 3rd edition, I hope they are the same as 1st edition!!! I hear the 2nd edition changed the flamer rules making it less effective - the terminators need all the help they can get!!!
I think I put this comment down everytime you post one of these, but I love these stick to the script videos! Love how you deliver your writing.
Thank you. I really appreciate the kind words.
Nice! I need to search out your blog one of these days (if it’s still online?). I’ve eyed my Space Hulk set a couple times during quarantine but there’s no chance of playing it any time soon. There’s always the digital versions, of course, and Space Marine Adventures. 3rd edition was, according to GW, going to be the last ever printing of the game, so “get in now or never”... then it sold out fast and they changed their minds, releasing 4th Ed. with a couple bonus items to differentiate it. As a 3rd Ed. owner I was a little annoyed they went back on their word (pretty quickly too) but didn’t make those bonus items available to 3rd Ed owners in an upgrade pack. No big deal, honestly, but I still remember it! Lol. Thanks for the look back at Space Hulk; hopefully we can all get the opportunity to clank/skitter through the corridors in the next 12 months. 👾👾👾
Yeah, I also thought they should have made the few extra missions and tiles available as an upgrade pack, but honestly it wasn't really that much additional material. I honestly don't ever remember them saying "get it now or never" though. I knew that edition was limited, but I never thought it wouldn't ever get printed again. Maybe I just didn't pay attention to their marketing fluff.
My blog is advertised at the end of every video, and also in the video description for every video on my channel. It hasn't been updated in a while as I just don't get the time to write new reviews while I'm building the channel.
Always Board Never Boring GW may not have used the exact words, “now or never” but they did say 3rd ed was the last time they would ever produce Space Hulk. I believed them and bought a copy at the time. Not complaining per se, as I’m quite happy to own it, but they did go back on that FOMO tactic/pledge pretty quickly. Re: your blog, lol, I guess I’m not too observant, am I? I always pause your videos at the end as you speed up into the “like/subscribe/bye-bye, bye-bye” bit (to avoid the inevitable impending commercial) but I could have checked the description for links. Lol. Thanks for assist, I’ll be visiting your blog ASAP; I’m sure there’s quality reading to be found there. :-)
So you're the reason my ad revenue is so low! Yeah, I genuinely don't remember GW saying they would never produce Space Hulk again. I only thought they said that the edition was a limited run, so I completely missed that! I'm glad they produced another run for people, though. It's about time they did another one, I think.
Thanks for considering checking out the blog. It's a wealth of nonsense.
@@danroberts007 Yup. They’re exact words were (White Dwarf Sep 2009): “A WORD OF WARNING: There is only ever going to be one print run of this great game, so when stocks run out they won’t be replenished!”
uludapata thanks for the detective work on this; I knew they said something along those lines. Good find!
After hero quest opened the door space hulk set in stone my connection with the hobby and then after a wilderness of time from the hobby came back in and found my copy. Loved this game especially when you have to start shouting you have 5minutes let at you the marine player😅 never got this version looks awesome and the minis are beautiful, but I think I prefer the older board but that could be because it reminds me of a different time. I do wonder how different the newer version was, as I loved the original and the expansions with the terminator librarians and genestealer hybrids and the the art work in the rule books aw I love this game cheers for this mate, I’m going to play a game of deathwing with the solo rules!
I went to Space Crusade rather than Space Hulk. But yeah, a great way to get into the hobby, and a game that has stood the test of time. Thanks for watching.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I was greedy and had both! :D
Love this game so much. Beat the campaign on the app and wanted a challenge so I increased the difficulty settings. Genestealers got 1 extra blip per turn and only was allowed 1-4 command points…..boy was that a game changer. Lol
My introduction to Games Workshop was through Space Hulk. A friend of mine had it back in the 90s (don't know if it was first of second edition). It was a lot of fun.
It's a heck of an introduction.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yes it is. Now a days, it has become more of a self parody of itself.
Love this review. I love the game, the narrative, the models, the board, atmosphere, difficulty, strategy, and the gameplay.
What I hate, absolutely hate, is that GW refuses to make money by reprinting this game. I hate that if it does happen it will sell out in minutes (to many scalpers included I assume). I hate they print small box board games like Crypt Hunters, Blitz Bowl and the like only in one or two stores that won't ship internationally.
I hate that the best content that would help me get friends and family into the bigger games is not available for purchase where I live. Ebay also charges like the same price of the item (sometimes more even) just for shipping and import fees, IF the seller even ships over here. For me it's been quite literally easier to become a Space Marine in real life than to be able to get these games.
Anyway, I love your content, it's amazing stuff, thank you for these videos!
I get that. They're overdue a Space Hulk reprint, I think, but the scalpers are a problem. And their "book store" series really needs a wider distribution. There's some good stuff in that range. Hopefully these things will change one day, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. Thanks for watching the video and for the kind words; I appreciate it!
Lovely review and very on point. I keep saying I'll finish painting my set, but I never do, still only 1 terminator and 1 genestealer painted.
Thanks. I don't want to start painting mine until I know I have time to do it all. All I've done is paint the bases of the doors!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yeah I'm saving mine for like you a time when I can get it all done, if not at once, very close together.
I will never part with mine. I will take it to the grave! Of course everything needs to be laminated and put into O2 free evacuated bags first. ;)
It's a big old box, could be a logistical nightmare. But yeah, this is one I'm never parting with.
Bought a copy of this one recently. It wasn’t so cheap 😔 But I have no regret. What a Classic !
Hope to see some space hulk content on your channel !
It's a real gem. I'll see about running a mission on the channel. May have to do it without the timer because of how I film though.
I think I played this game once, I really enjoyed it.
Where do you get the plastic organiser storage box from that had the counters in please? I could do with quite a few of those for my various games!
I have copies of 1st and 2nd editions of Space Hulk as that’s more my era, but the quality of the components for this edition is just telling me I should buy a copy of 3rd or 4th edition! The thickness and shininess of the card is crazy!
I couldn’t tell you where those organisers came from, I’m afraid. I pick up things like that when I see them in places like Home Bargains, and I would have got that particular one about 15 years ago.
Great review pal. I read your written review long ago and hadn’t previously connected it to you/this channel!
The game can create so much entertaining tension at times, despite its simple mechanics. IMO, this edition (and obviously the 4th) has some of the best 40k miniatures (Lorenzo, Claudio).
Can you imagine a reboot with Primaris intercessors or pot bellied gravis-wearing aggressors? :D
Have you played the video games?
Thank you. Yeah, I think the terminators are really excellent. I love the Sarge and the flamer, in particular. I don't tend to play a lot of video games, but I did play Space Hulk on the Amiga back in the day.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring The 2013 video game is a pretty faithful recreation of the board game with no additional frills. It wasn't particularly well reviewed as a result (and probably also for its dated presentation and rubbish performance), but I enjoy it. It even had a limited release on IOS and Android.
@@uludapata I don't recall that one. I saw someone playing a bit of the most recent one, and that looked pretty decent. Looked suitably tense, at least. I would like to give it a go at some point, but I rarely get the time to play games like that, and of course, I prefer to get a board game to the table most of the time anyway. I did play the Deathwatch game on my phone a few years back. I quite enjoyed that one.
Great video, covers the mechanics well. GW need to make a new version of this game, it's replayability is endless and easy to do solitaire. This also play well with Aliens minis, suits the movie perfectly.
I have played Space Hulk before using the miniatures from Alien vs Predator: The Hunt Begins. At Christmas I just got the revised edition of Another Glorious Day in the Corps, so now I can run Space Hulk with named characters. That should be fun.
Yeah just got Hadley's Hope & Xenomorphs boxes myself@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring
just got my own copy, i wish i could buy friends to play it with
Space Hulk: my favorite board game of all time. 'Nuff said. ; )
It's a fine choice. It's a top 15 game for me. The first edition would probably creep into the top 10.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Really? 1st edition beats 4th? If that's true, i need to get myself a copy of 1st, because i find it hard to believe 4th can be beaten. Care to elaborate why 1st is better for you? (I don't have 1st edition, only a few 4th editions)
@@jeanfoutre3620 Too much to say, really. I prefer the retro sci-fi B-movie aesthetic, the miniatures are cleaner and easier to use in game, the expansions add a lot to the core experience, compatibility with Advanced Space Crusade, small differences in the rules that I prefer, and the missions have better designs as Games Workshop managed to knacker up some of them in the newer editions. Not everyone will agree with my assessment though. Don't rush out to buy expensive first edition stuff without looking into it carefully!
LOL, excellent little stop motion there at the end!
Thanks for bringing to my attention the imbalance in some of the missions, I guess that makes good thematic sense and is one of GW's choices they are known for.
The one time I attempted this solo, the marines lost over and over on the same mission (yes, the marines) so it didn't leave me wanting to come back to it very much. But it's been creeping back into my mind lately, wanting to return to the SETTING, wanting to go back to that PLACE. So, perhaps I will give it another shot and try a different map.
Some missions are brutal for the marines, especially mission one from third edition (Suicide Mission), so it's not unusual for the marines to get a battering. Also, it takes longer to get to grips with using the marines, as they are far less forgiving of mistakes and you are under time pressure with them. Sometimes the imbalance in missions is by design, but sometimes it's just not well thought out by GW. For example, there's one mission in third edition, where you can shoot out all the doors very quickly and the marines simply can't lose. But, I'm willing to forgive those few missteps because the game is so much fun.
Suicide Mission is the same as previous editions and is designed to punish new players to teach them how to position and move the marines properly. If that lesson never happens then it will be a rough ride.
Yeah, it's a purposeful choice. I may be wrong, but I believe they changed Suicide Mission in some way for the fourth edition to make it a bit more gentle, or perhaps just changed the mission order so it wasn't the introduction. I'll have to look it up, because I don't quite remember.
It's super easy if you play the marines properly.
I don't know if they changed anything or moved anything. I doubt it.
@@johnmiddleton4291 All right Captain Awesome at Everything, take a day off. You're making the mortals feel bad. I just checked and Fourth Edition has a new mission one called Beachhead, and Suicide Mission was pushed to mission two and looks unchanged. I suspect that might have been to make for a less frustrating entry point for new players, although looking at it again it looks like you get 10 marines in Beachhead, so maybe it was to make the first mission more of a showcase spectacle (a bit like The Trial, in HeroQuest, which threw everything on the board).
Love my copy and I am lucky to have the card game version. Always great fun to play
I have the FFG card game with all the expansions too. It's a really good little game.
Where did you get the storage box for the blip tokens? That looks very handy. I bought an unopened copy of Space Hulk off eBay (at vast expense) so want to be able to store it all in a way where things don’t get damaged. Great vid by the way. 🙂👍
Gosh. It was many years ago. I think I picked it up in a Home Bargains or a B&M, maybe even a Poundland. If you trawl those stores you can often find really useful storage solutions.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring thank you I will have a look as we have a Poundland in my home town. Looking forward to playing it. Can it be played solo do you know?
Space Hulk is designed for two players - one marine, one genestealer. However, it's pretty easy to play solo, which I do all the time. You just randomise the blips, and then play the genestealers to the best of your ability (they pretty much just sneak up to attack in hand to hand combat, so the decision space for them is pretty limited).
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring that’s great thank you. I’m going to give it a try soon. Love your play-through videos by the way. Do you have any plans to do a Space Hulk one? Appreciate the time they must take to do. I’ve tried to do a couple of heroquest ones on my phone and they took me quite a while! 😄
It's not on the cards at the moment, but maybe one day. It would be more likely if GW announced a reprint as people would start looking for content to inform their purchase.
Best Game GW ever produced - up there with Judge Dredd!! 0 Very enjoyable - encouraging - keep them coming!
Thanks for watching.
I have the second one and it's kind of a pain in da arse with the determinations of everything done and figured out with dice rolls and all that argy bargy. It's fun and a good game but the first and third editions are easier eh? Ya? And the fourth edition then is that one different because of a few additives they added onto with torpedoes and elevators and or iPad app play? Thanks again. Cheers!
Hope you do more Space Hulk videos!
Oi mate so is Space Hulk third edition just like the first edition but different looks to it then? Kind blessed regards Cheers!
Looking at the prices online to get a copy of 3rd or 4th edition it would seem a rerelease would definitely be appreciated 👍
We are long overdue a new edition.
I heard a lot about "Legions of Steel" being kinda the same, but even more Tactical & RPG.
Never played it though, very hard to get, and not that much of videos available.
I've never played it so I can't say. I'm pretty sure they just did a Kickstarter for a new edition of Legions of Steel and late pledges are open.
Great review, thank you
Thanks for watching.
Good review of this great game. We have such similar taste in board games! One of the things I like is that you can learn the rules in about 10 minutes, and there aren't dozens of fiddly things to remember and note down.
I also think each of the editions has its merits: the 1st Edition has a grey retro look (which I like), but most importantly has the expansions Deathwing and Genestealer. The 2nd Edition looks a lot better, and has more missions, but they tinkered with the rules, and not in a good way. The 3rd and 4th Editions simply look gorgeous, some of the best miniatures ever, and the rules are back to the 1st Edition with a few tweaks and additions.
I don't even mind playing as the Genestealer player. Deciding where to place your blips, trying to bluff the Marine player, doing the Genestealer "dance" to try and get a bolter to jam by making a series of free 90 degree turns is all part of it. Not as many decisions to make, for sure, but it can be a lot of fun.
I've always said the best games are the ones where you can push the rules off the table and focus on your opponent or becoming immersed in the world the game is creating. Space Hulk is one of the finest examples of that.
I don't dislike playing the genestealers, but comparatively, I think it's the lesser of the two halves of the game. Second edition is definitely the worst in terms of rules. Just the removal of the timer is enough to completely change the feel of the game, and the flamer rules aren't as good either.
Agreed. One thing with the Genestealers is learning not to just rush up suicidally all the time, and throw them away. Sometimes if you have a corridor with a Marine on Overwatch at the top, you can get part way up the corridor, stop there, and fill in behind with Genestealers. When the Marine comes off Overwatch he may not be able to kill them all, and next turn you start off part way along the corridor, nearer to the marines. Sometimes you do just have to try and rush them, and hope for the best, but not always.
@@phildevey6302 Yeah, there's some little tricks you can do: Using doors to force more shots, blocking line of sight to amass your forces, ducking in an out of line of sight as you approach enemies. Choosing when and where to reveal blips can be an important decision. It's just a lot more straightforward. But like you say, there are some scenarios where you do just have to run head first at an autocannon and hope it blows up before too many genestealers are dead.
I always wanted a copy of this game! I kept missing the releases (Navy) by the time I got back sold out.... kind of a bummer and I aint gonna pay 400 for a used copy. So I am waiting for the next release. I hope the Space Hulk wannabe Kill Team supplement is not GW washing their hands of it.
The new Kill Team release feels like a bit of a troll, considering how long it has been since the last Space Hulk release. I hope they put out a new edition soon.
well this aged well... GW did wash their hands of it, in my opinion. I hear they'll never put out a new edition, but find no written evidence of the claims. So there is hope.
Great review! Now only if GW would reprint this game so I can buy it!
Yeah when people are selling the game without miniatures on eBay for £100 it suggests to me it’s time for a new print run. Hopefully soon.
A friend of mine gave away a copy of space hulk to me but he kept the miniatures.
I have a 3d printer so I was able to restore the game easily. I gave it a shot and had fun. I even tried modding the game for 3 players (2 marine players 1 genesteale player) to great success.
That's a great gift. I've played some of the missions that have two marine squads splitting the squads between two players. I also play this one solo quite a bit.
I would love to know how you modded the game for the 2 marine players. thx
@@jeanfoutre3620 take a mission where you control both squads. Each marine player gets a squad and rolls a dice for Command points and they use their command points separately. It might not be balanced but Space Hulk isn't a balanced game.
Thanks for that! On one hand, double CPs... but on the other hand uncoordinated non-centralised decision making - destined to muck up! i like it@@catholicphoenix7969
Magnificent
Are there solo rules for Space Hulk?
The Deathwing expansion for the first edition included solo rules, and there are plenty of unofficial solo rules available for later editions online. It's pretty easy to play solo anyway. Just don't look at the reverse side of the blips until they are revealed, and try your best to kill the marines.
I was missing Yours blog stories :) And try Gf9 Aliens, i want that kind of review about it from You ;)
Thanks. I'm trying to keep mixing up the content, these reviews just take a while. I would love to write some new ones too, but at that point running the channel becomes a real job, and I can't afford to give up my real job to do that yet! Unfortunately, I've read reviews and watched playthroughs of Another Glorious Day in the Corps and I think it looks terrible. I don't see myself buying it, not even for the miniatures as I have a wonderful selection of marines, aliens and predators from The Hunt Begins.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I think that this game is all about love for the movie and when it is not so good in the rules its all about that feeling when you play it. I think that You should try it, before making judgement, but ofcourse we dont always agreed in the past, so Yours opinion is as good as mine about this game. Writing this only to tell you, that i wasnt expected how much i will enjoy it before i played it.
I appreciate that. I love Aliens, and was going to get it despite my misgivings, but then I watched as many playthroughs as I could and I had to admit to myself I wasn't going to get any enjoyment out of that system. It's a shame because it was a game I had been looking forward to for a long time. Maybe one day I can borrow a copy to take a look at it, but I think that's the only way it's going to get on the channel.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring So i cant borrow You the game becouse of distance. But maybe one day we can play it online by for example messenger or something? We play rpg by it with friend from Manchester so who knows? :) Maybe idea for use for Yours Channel? Not with me ofcourse becouse my English is not that great but from others of Yours friends for example from US? Think about it :)
@@marcinw2154 No worries, I wasn't fishing for a loan! Just wanted to clarify that I never say never, so there's always a chance, but it's not something I can see myself buying to cover.
It's a shame this is such an expensive game to get your hands on. At current prices it's about £200 on eBay :-( I hope GW bring out a 5th edition at some point.
I’m sure they are just holding on until they are sure they can sell a print run easily, but I would like to see them do one soon.
Love space hulk, sold it purely due to the fact that it took up to much space as a game and didn’t fit on my 6x3 table. Great fun simple game though.
Some of the bigger maps really do sprawl out. Fortunately I have my folding gaming surface to lay over whatever table I'm using, which means I always have enough space.
Outstanding review! I sold off my 1st ed with Deathwing & Genestealer expansions a long time ago, but I do have a 3rd ed. Bought from ebay for a reasonable amount. Need to paint the figures though. I would have replied to your post on BGG (I did like it), but I'm perma-banned for being a racist troll. The wokeness of BGG lambasted ConSimWorld for not virtue signalling enough back when the Seattle CHOP?CHAZ was around. I merely asked if opinions had changed towards the Marxist organisation (BLM) given the lootings and anarchy... and I'm a racist.. WOW. Yet I susbscribe to several youtubers - Hodge Twins, Anthony Brian Logan, Officer Tatum to name 3. BGG should have never gone down the political route. Politics should stay inside the game being played on the table.
Thanks for watching, and the kind words. I really need to get my set painted too, but I don't want to do it until I know I can get the whole set done.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I know what you mean! Cheers.
Random reader here: in france, BLM was considered one of the most racist organisations of their time, until the recent genocide started being implemented by Js. But you got to admit, now even BLMists seem like cute puppies compared to the new racists that oh-so-ironically have become the new genocidal nazis.
Some maps cant fit on a real table... or two tables
The bigger maps can be a problem. I'm lucky to have a 6x4 folding playing surface that I can chuck over a table for when the maps sprawl.
This version is pretty but ultimately a let down if you want to move on. By far the best missions for the game are the WD linked campaigns like Necromunda, Last Stand, and Genestealer Invasion of Septimus V. They are almost impossible to win. But then GW never bothered to print them for this version of the game.
All the great expansion stuff never made it forward to the new version, and that's a shame. GW really, really needs to do a new version of this game and a single expansion that brings in all the genestealer hybrids and all the new goodies they have for them currently. . A full expansion based on the original Necromunda campaign would be awesome.
It's been something like six years since the last edition, so it's about time they did it, and I would love an expansion too. When they put out Fourth Edition it had some extra missions (I believe it also removed, or at least moved, Suicide Mission so it wasn't the introduction mission anymore). I don't know if any of those new missions were adapted from elsewhere, as I never played Fourth. There were also some digital only expansions at some point, but I don't know if they were all new content or what they added to the game.
Yeah, the digital ones are pretty mediocre. They exist to utilize more of the special weapons that were expansions in first edition and to sell you more chapter specific terminator minis. Each one was a chapter mini campaign.
They were also ipad digital reader only and not actual pdfs.
@@johnmiddleton4291 I remember them being an iPad thing. That was weird. I didn't buy them and I don't remember ever seeing them played. Not surprised it was a way to encourage more miniatures sales!
I know you needed one of the Dark Angel Knights which are pretty expensive and wolf guard terminators for the space wolf campaign. Unless you just proxy.
There has been some chatter about a redo of the the first edition of the game, which would lead to all the expansions working fully, for the 35th anniversary. That's 3 years out though and it is all just rumor mill stuff.
What's funny is that loads of people complained when the 4th edition came out that is was just a shallow cash grab by GW and that they really screwed third edition owners by not offering an upgrade pack. Damned if you do.
Even when they printed more due to it selling out fast, GW were bad because they didn't personally call you and ask for your order apparently.
A 35th anniversary edition would be nice. I'd be on board for that. I never had a problem with the fourth edition, and was happy to see them making the game available to more people. There was no reason not to, after all. I said at the time that I would have liked an opportunity to buy the extra content as an upgrade pack, but I didn't lose any sleep over it (if I wanted them that badly I could have bought the fourth edition, sold off the miniatures on eBay and recouped most of my costs, but it felt like too much effort). Besides, I don't feel like I was screwed, as by that time I'd been playing Space Hulk for something like five years with my third edition, so I don't think I could complain all that much about missing out on a few minor things.
One of my favourite GW games. Wasn't a fan of the last edition, figures too fancy for me, the original was a classic.
It's a true classic.
The terminators look sooooo much better than the first editikn ones. I replaced the 1st edition knes with real metal knes of course. Still have my Blood Angels Terminator Squad.
ElGordo, I use the 3rd edition set with 2nd edition minis, primarily as the 2nd ed. minis were already painted so why not? The latest version has crazy-detailed marines and as Mr. Boring mentioned in the video, some of the Genestealers are in weird poses or transporting large scenery pieces with them.
@@danroberts007 Hi - I actually bought two copies of the 3rd edition. I assembled the figures in one of them then realised I didn't like the figures (gorgeous sculpts though they were, I didn't like the aspects of towing around the scenery with them, plus I didn't think I could do the marines justice), so I flogged it on eBay and gave away the other copy to a friends kid who was just getting into GW. For some reason, and I can't recall why now, the second edition never appealed to me.
Finally got myself a viable 3d printer (Prusa Mini) so I'm currently printing rooms for the 3d version of my fevered dreams.
elGordo 555 3D-printing the entire thing? That’s a big project but I’m sure it’ll look fantastic when it’s finished. Good luck! 👍
Best thing about Space Hulk is that you can easily expand and change it to your liking. Bring together 2 or 3 sets for big maps, play marines vs marines, bring in other WH40K races etc. The original expansions with psykers were also a great (and sometimes ridiculously powerful) addition to the game.
I would really appreciate if you extrapolated on how to run marines vs marines, and how to incorporate hormagaunts, for instance! (SM vs SM: when moving into overwatch LOS, does moving sm get the free shot (associated with each move) first, or does the overwatch get the free shot (associated with seeing the enemy move) first?) Do hormagaunts just behave exactly like genestealers? Do they move faster? How many action points? Are they killed easier (5 and 6s, even out of sustained fire or assault canon fire?) so many questions! please expand i need to know!
A true classic 🙂
Absolutely.
My copy has been languishing in my #greyhoard #pileofshame for too long...
I have loads of unpainted stuff, but as long as it's built, I'm using it and playing the games I don't count it as being a pile of shame. That keeps me sane.
I don't know why Games Workshop would name it Space HULK and have to deal with Marvel when you could call it literally anything else!
(For those unaware Marvel own the copyright for the word HULK, hence why you you'll see a Copyright Marvel Comics inc printed on all official Hulk Hogan merchandise and as a small corner graphic at the end of any game or DVD featuring Hulk Hogan and 90% of 1% made in Royalties are paid to Marvel on anything featuring "Hulk Hogan"! Funnily enough Hulk Hogan is not allowed to wear anything Green or Purple in colour and doing so would be a breach in the Copyright agreement! That agreement is only with regards to Hulk Hogan the wrestler, so Games Workshop would have to draft a whole new agreement, which seems a pointless pain in the arse when you the word Hulk isn't in anyway integral to the product and could be called anything else!
Great Board and Video games though! Many an hour was spent at my friend who had its house and it was the reason I got into Games Workshops Warhammer 40K!
As I understand it, Hulk Hogan had to cut a deal because he was always promoted as "the Incredible Hulk Hogan." Marvel didn't have any claim on "Space Hulk." I also don't believe they have any rights on Hogan anymore as that deal expired.
1. It is the best game ever made. 2. Why 3rd edition and not 4th???
While I don't rate it as the best game ever, it is without a doubt one of my favourites. And why 3rd edition? Because it's the edition I have. Don't forget, I may have a channel, but I'm just a guy with some board games on the shelf. I'm not a business and I can't review what I don't have. Of course, there are only a few minor changes between third and fourth. They changed around a few scenarios and added some extra ones, added a couple more tiles, and changed the lettering on the box art, but it's still basically the same game.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Good point, although when 4th came out selling 3rd to collectors was enough to get the 4th. Also didn't they tweak some rules like sustained fire?
I swear, you freak me out sometimes with the timing of your videos.
Been working on converting 1v1 games to solo, trying to squeeze value out of some of my hording.
Do you have any experience or advice on playing SH solo?
I do play Space Hulk solo. I play lots of games alone that aren't necessarily solo; it's not something I've ever really had a problem with. Maybe I will do a solo run on the channel at some point.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring That would be well appreciated by many, I believe. Especially because there are so many solo rules sets out there, would love to see which one you use, or perhaps you even have your own.
I think anyone who can do a series on converting 1v1 games to solo would be a hot item right now during pandemic times.
The solo rules for Space Hulk were published in the deathwing expansion for first ed and are very simple. You basically control both sides and the blips convert instantly at their spawn points. The stealers will not move into LoS of a marine unless they can close and get in at least one attack. I prefer to use the blips for movement out of LoS and play the game as normal because the blips are cool. I draw them at random and do not look at them until they enter LoS or I choose to convert them.
BGG has lots of posts about this, but many people try to make an enemy AI, which is completely unnecessary because the enemy decisions are very simple in Space Hulk.
In general almost all games are easy to solo with almost no change if you play two handed and fairly.
That's exactly what I do - I just play blips without looking at the reverse. Basically, exactly how I'm playing Space Crusade solo on the channel at the moment. I play a lot of games solo that aren't originally intended for it.
The key is to let the stealers lurk out of sight unless they can get an attack in. Sometimes that isn't an option and they need to swarm.
Also using the blips more than doubles the amount of stealers that can be on the board.
Such an excellent game, one of the best ever...
It is great. One day I will get myself an original first edition.