Was this testing done with stalkers ring and it’s enchantment?? Should we assume it’s flat out more optimal with both of those to have a bow?? Protoxx please lead me to the light 🙏🏽 lol
Crossbows actually can pump out really insane damage on emerald bak's. The hit splat on them scales with the increased effect of the evolving toxins on Bik arrows, and the base chance for them to proc is 55%. So with a full poison build that you would set up on Bik arrows you can switch to Emerald bolts and just constantly hitsplat a target for upwards of 4k - 5k extra poison damage per hit on top of the Bik poison (its a lot of poison splats). Group content with people stacking bik arrows you can have people bring crossbow switches and have one person maintain Bik stacks while other people *slam* the boss with emerald bik damage, and in solo content you could possibly bring crossbow switches (for those who subscribe to switch scape) for like rapid fire and grico to spam out poison splats. Be it ascensions, Wyvern crossbow, ecb, etc. My Solaking party does this strat, we have all our DPS bring Bik arrows and once we have him at 400 stacks everyone but one person switches to Emerald Baks and just goes to town. Then for the very last phase we all switch to emerald baks and melt the boss. Super reliable strat for the big tree. Could be super strong at just about anywhere where Bik stacks works theoretically. Unless we're just understanding the effect incorrectly, but seems to be *really* strong
I definitely see bows as dps machines, specially at poisonables bosses, however thanks to the decrease in price of crossbows in general, I bought the blightbounds in under 800M (were more cheaper than a single seismic wand) and definitely i am saving the baks during use, and thanks to them I am doing 2 cycles Seiryu.
@ZeeZeeGaming I got it, but I still find insane how cheap the blightbounds are right now, I am now getting t90 necromancy power, because I don't if it is me but I am getting low dps in gwd3 (right now using t80 weapons and next getting t90)
I have 2.5k hm glacor kills all with ranged. I can tell you at 1000%, the poison build is so easy you barely even need to eat any food or stress at all. Easy kills. 1k with bolts is tough. I don’t have bis gear either, but even with hydrix and inspiration aura it doesn’t touch the poison builds at higher enrage.
Haven't gone that far in arch glacor close to 200% enrage camp hexhunter bow with splintering arrows. Imo ripper demons with splintering arrows with potion feel so much better with greater daze
Interesting that the difference between wen/ful arrows and bak(e) bolts is so minor, the god arrows are quite costly to use so outside of outliers like the poison stacking build it seems like the cost of the god arrows outweighs the killspeed increase. I'm probably going to go for blights and have a nox bow available for when I want to use the poison build. Given a set of blights is 800m vs SGB at 2.1b atm, you'd get much more from buying blights + grico than an sgb if you're interested in ranged.
The Seren God Bow isn't expensive because of god arrows... Hint: There's a reason you bring one when maging, meleeing, and yes, even ranging with blights, even if it's hiding in your essence of finality.
@@Kritya You're literally comparing an SGB against blights though. They aren't comparable. Choosing blights over an SGB implies they are, whereas even if you're camping blights, or BOLG, you're bringing an SGB.
I used crossbows for years, even upgrading to an eldritch as my first t92 2h. Any content can be done with either. But at the highest level bosses, poisonable ones as noted in particular, bows have a huge advantage. Also, I don't think I've ever had as much fun in runescape combat as using deathspore arrows. Deathspore proc on incendiary shot into a relentless proc on natural instinct into DS -> grico -> deadshot is the most hilariously broken thing... 4 ults in 9 seconds.
I like both. I'll use grico with cbows and hydrix for adren all the time. Also, places like p3 rago The End week, ecb spec trumps everything, and with bows it's hard to dps while keeping adren for ecb spec. So I'll camp cbows at times like that with hydrix. Of course, anything poisonable, just camp bows.
Actually best in slot for amby is both crossbows and bows. Once you get 400 bik stacks, switch to the wyvern crossbow for wyvern damage and ruby bakriminal bolt 12k procs, and every 25 seconds switch to bik to keep the stack. This combo is extremely deadly at amby.
It's equal parts amusing and frustrating to watch this kind of debate unfold. People will debate for hours about which one is better. People will also call one dead content for marginal differences in damage. Both are fine. It makes no sense to sell your weapon to switch weapon types when the pendulum can easily swing back in the other direction.
I do agree with you. People will defend it when a content creator says something but it’s not a big deal and by no means are any of the options dead content. Also just wanna mention even when these two are close like at vindicta he is using the boots wrong. You don’t camp ruby and I know it was for consistent kills but he sure stacked the poison stacks to show how that ammo is so good but then didn’t even use bolts right
they don’t suck, it’s just different. You’re not going to get poison damage, but hydrix bolts and inspiration aura you’re still going to get unlimited adrenaline and good dps. It’s not going to bolg level but that’s the the thing, meta changes doesn’t mean crossbows suck now.
I no life 2449 Range Telos. The t95 bow is amazing with wen arrows but for adrenaline needs, niche 4tick 2h autos, chin sgb spec, and p5 darkbow spam under barricade I use my cross bows almost 50/50. If and when they make t95 crossbows or whatever dual weapon. Will be hard to see bow being used the much after.
hello proto, as always a great video and an interesting opinion. For my part, I am a big fan of crossbows, I tried the BolG but I ended up selling it because I couldn't improve my times in raksha due to the fact that the rotation is very different and the arrows consumed much faster compared to the bolt ones, In my opinion outside of poisonous bosses or dragons, crossbows are still much easier to master for great dps when you already have Sgb and Ecb on your final essence.
yes crossbows are easier, but once you get a good understanding of how the bolg works its actually disgusting. Youre not gonna be able to master it after an hour of trying it out
BolG is easily the hardest weapon to master, I had a hard time getting used to it despite it being so powerful. Doing good damage with fsoa is so much easier
@@ProtoxxGaming Have been using bolg for weeks and i can tell, its the best ranged weapon in the game and nothing come close. You can get the same dps as FSOA if you have a good rotation.
I think that crossbows are still quite powerful DPS wise however I personally feel the crossbow style is extremely janky to use, I use revo++ and it feels so weird how your character just stands there while doing a snipe/rapid fire and I keep cancelling them whereas dual wield magic or even staff camping feels more like a dance that fluidly transitions through your rotations.
Long time ago before God arrows were released, crossbows were simply way too good because of bak bolts and bows had nothing going for them With god arrows they now provide players an option and the gap isn't that big between them Jagex has bigger problems balancing non-magic tank armour and a lot of 'old melee' weapons
Bows have a range, ability, and ammo advantage. Mutated dazing shot is superior to needle strike, especially when using poison. Bows have a larger range, constantly get dragged in using dual wield cbows. And bows have the broken Bik arrows, defence reducing blackstone arrows, and much more. Plus we need to remember the BiS range ring benefits arrows, and works synergistically with deadshot to be the range equivilent of tsunami, albeit arguably worse since mage has greater concentrated blast to really buff the chances of getting a crit.
As someone who owns enchanted hex and bow of last guardian, I can say that enchanted hex won't outperform the botlg; however, enchanted hex will beat everything else on whatever it works on. If you can't afford a botlg then an enchanted hex is worth getting.
Just wondering as to the awareness of how poison damage gets calculated on the people that say hexhunter is going to be 2nd best anywhere it works...because if the boss is poisonable something like sgb at ag will almost certainly outperform hex with bik arrows.
Very interesting! I have been using Ascension crossbows with ruby bak bolts for so long now! I love my duels but this video might make me get a nox bow as well as I can't afford SGB or BOLG just yet. Even then Nox box has hit quite high in price itself.
@@GRaToMiC I'd definitely recommend Ruby Bak bolts(e) but only if the boss you're killing has more than 100k hp because after a certain hp/%, it's good to switch to diamond bak bolts(e) or something else. Ruby bolts effects doesn't help much if the boss has low health in total so hence why you do that.
Ruby bolts aren't really a fair comparison, though. Once you have grico, it makes much more sense to camp hydrix bolts, only switching to ruby when the effect is off cooldown. The difference in damage will be much closer when considering hydrix bolts and the unlimited ecb and db specs you can fire off.
My thing is with poisonable bosses either they're easy enough it doesn't matter too much or hard enough that I need all the damage reduction I can get from anim dead + a defender. I can use a defender with ranged too, which helps immensely on my nex kills both as a mobile switch and for the last phase, _but then I can't use a bow._
As a sidenote Eldritch crossbow is still pretty good with it's special attack. I think ECB will outdamage every bow (even poisanable bosses) exept if you have the Bow of the last guardian
@@zarosalt2504 fair point , but in the video it was bow vs crossbow, and it was my point with ny comment :p and yeag, ecb nowadays if you have the bow, its op
@Protoxx So quick question, Im max skill wise and i really am super bad at PVMing i come from the 2006 Runescape era so im not used to Revolution at all and i dont really know a good way to make money without killing, right now im farming Divine charges and the thing is id like top get my hands on a Seren Godbow sometime before i die of old age but given how insanely priced T 92 and 95 stuff is its next to impossible for me to get one especially since im more of a skiller then i am a killer, i do have some hybrid gear as well as magic ranged and melee but its a mix between tier 80 - 90 stuff at best. I honestly could uswe alot of help and guidence
It comes down to practice. The best way to make money is to keep trying bosses (cliche but thats how). Or camping consistent gp slayer mobs Specific advice is kinda hard without details, perhaps consider sharing what bosses uve done and what gear u have (u could also show me that in my discord linked in the description).
When having 350m worth of weapons (asc xbows) is considered mid tier 🤔 which is obvious considering the 2nd best bow costs max ge. The jump to top tier is considerably long winded, my laptop would burn out before I get there 😢
Guys here a tip: Araxxor is super easy, you can learn super quickly. If you have asc you can kill raxx. 100% guaranteed (you can learn in 2 to 3hours) if you can't buy both, try doing raxx to create the bow from scratch. Super fun, super easy
Astellarn lets you stack: 1. Jas dragonbane 2. Dragon slayer perk 3. Slayer helm (dragon task) 4. Hexhunter bow To my knowledge, this is the only boss that will let you stack a hex weapon with helm, perk, and arrows
simple answer to the video : NO. they don't suck now. crossbows have not been nerfed. something else becoming good doesn't make the other thing bad. crossbows still have the easiest shieldswap ability and allow easy chinchompa useage + their damage is still incredibly good. clickbait title also testing with only ruby bolts is unfair to the style. because ruby lowers ur dps if the target gets below a certain %hp. and or has lower than a certain ammount hp.
@@runepedro Thats what I originally thought he meant but cbows handle that just fine either way. So him saying the bik arrows changed that confused me until I saw what he meant lol
I much prefer crosbows at stuff like normal mode zuk(haven't tried hardmode yet) and araxxor/araxxi since shield switching and resonancing a hit on we there can save you. I actually only consider bows where the dragonbane and bik arrows work.
What would you recommend for Ed1, trying to learn 2cycle against seriyo.. So far I am still needing like 50k dps and I am using ascensions.. but I dont know if arrows would even help here? :)
You heard it here first, folks! Bows are marginally better than crossbows! Crossbows are dead content! Sell everything you have! Ascensions? Blightbounds? Eldritch? Sell it all! Do it quick before the prices drop!
*me, still using royal crossbow with royal bolts at lv94 ranged* hmm, yes, indeed, I agree that perhaps crossbows may not be lit af but really, ill keep all this in mind when/if I decide to upgrade... combat level 130 and still the only bosses I've fought are KBD, Giant Mole and QBD ;-; it's just stressful and I don't have friends to do instances together :(
it modifies wyvern to be like 600-800s, emeralds are also scaled as such like 800s-1.2ks. the real cheese is grico'ing biks and fucking off to other stuff. You can self apply bik stacks while maging or meleeing for example. melee has the best reaver interaction due to double vamps and soul split while also applying scourage, with ezk and havoc you're easily like 300k poison dpm ontop of havoc zerk which is like ~240k and the ~120k damage from ezk+other stuff between zerks.
Very interesting. I knew the t95 Arrows were good, but not that good. I was planning to use magic when I learned Kerapac, but now I might switch to ranged. Will need to look into it more.
Ranged is a harder style to learn than magic with fsoa, if you got ecb and dbow eofs and and an sgb or bolg you could do high damage, but it is close to 10b setup, but with magic and fsoa you only need a grim biting perk and reaver ring which should be something like 4.5b, but you will do lots of damage even without all of these
Not mentioning deathspore arrows for free death swiftnesses seems like a big oversight. My idea: stack deathspore --> swiftness --> incendiary shot -->crossbows--> adren for days / all the dbows
No one really said anything about how he deals with ambassador? You need to rotate clockwise to stop healing, its not a dps check in the last phase, its only a dps race for the spinners
I know but I used deaths swiftness so I didn't want to lose out on damage. If u drop it below amby u can apparently walk and stop the heals while still using ur deaths swiftness
I don’t understand why people say one style or substyle sucks now that one got a boost. Crossbows are still great! Just not as good as bows now days. Melee is still great! Just not as good as range and mage. Each style is great, just not comparable to the other depending on the boss and situation.
I made a Bolg and while it and the god arrows are powerful i do miss using hydrix bak bolts. I find myself missing the easy and bountiful amount of adrenaline they provide.
@@BaronOfRed I tried using their special effect with Incendiary shot but It was too much planning for my slow self and at the time i was still learning to use bolg. But I might just revisit it, ty for your suggestion!
would it be too much to ask what an hour of pvm with the crossbows cost vs an hour with the bow? as reference? Im thinking of just buying and main handing an SGB regardless, but it would be fun to know.
Using BolG, I typically use around 1.7-2k arrows per hour, sometimes more it depends on the content so around 5-7m in arrows. As for crossbows I do not recall but it was cheaper for sure even spamming hydrix bolts for adren with caroming 4 and grico.
@@luqmanhakim5291 that's not exactly a huge selection of bosses to kill though. I'm looking at the money making on the rs wiki. That is well skewed. It puts things like killing araxi at 40m+ an hour.. my average loot there is about 100k a kill..
@@Kaij- oh lol. That's because you didnt account the rare drops. If you're doing bosses all the money come from the rare drop. The commons aren't worth that much. That being said 10m/hour bosses is a lot of selection. There are a ton of bosses after gwd2 and before it that have 10m/hour. Elite dungeon, gwd3, raksha etc. Even slayer is more than 10m/hour. The rs money making guide arent skewed though. You can change the amount of kill per hour and you can get the exact gp/hour for yourself. Its may vary based on your luck. Like the most consistent boss is ed1 and i can make around 50m/hour with it and there are alot of better gp/hr boss than ed1
lol I've never seen anyone do a promo for Clash of Clans. Played for 5+ years from 2015. I like 2h weapons more and have always like bows regardless of whats "optimal" being an average pvmer.
aren't crossbows better just because of the Crits builds? like the current best in slot magic build, it uses wands + gconc (+bitting 4, the grimoire, reaver's ring, etc...) for triggering a crit to use with the staff, so isn't this the same with ranged?
No because mage have tsunami for low adren, range cant use Incendiary Shot realisticly in a rotation, you'd only use that ability if u staaled it for a speed kill of any sort Edit: also FOSA "scales" with crit, crossbows doesnt hit more hits because of crit.
People need to keep in mind that Jagex always wants the different combat styles to be equal. There are pros and cons for 2h/dual wielding, range, mage etc..If Jagex feels that one style has too many pros compared to the other styles they either nerf one style or improve the others. Ofc there are going to be periods where one style may be better due to an update but long term they will balance that out.
I just upgraded my Crossbows last month so im gonna pretend i never watched this video and did not make a big mistake when i could have spent that gold on a better bow instead. : }
while bows are probably better, you comparing the expensive ass arrows to rubies, which only proc from time to time is not exactly fair. At that added cost per hour you can easily camp hydrix with the occasional ruby switch not the other way around
He also used Hydrix and Diamond bak bolts. Cost shouldn't matter imo, what bak bolts are best for each boss. If the god arrows were faster and easier like bak bolts they'd be cheaper most likely.
@@zeldapro18 yes, but he specified that he camped ruby mostly. they have the cheapest upkeep since you use so few per hour. he said hes mostly using diamonds with sometimes switching in hydrix at nex too. if you would camp anything camping hydrix is always best. so he went in with the best arrows for a specified boss and the budget strats boltwise.
this form of thinking is so redundant, it doesnt suck its just been replaced as the meta. youre going to make people who are beginner pvm think that crossbows are not a viable upgrade path.
But my conclusion was that crossbows are still very much worth getting? It's just that bows are slightly better, and therefor high level boios with the money should focus on getting bows as upgrades
That was my first thought. These days people are very flippant, myself included sometimes. If a certain style isn't clear above another then it's "trash". Crossbows, with Ruby bolts, an SGB EoF etc are sooo powerful.
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Are Jas Dragonbane arrows better than Bik arrows for the ED2 bosses?
Was this testing done with stalkers ring and it’s enchantment?? Should we assume it’s flat out more optimal with both of those to have a bow?? Protoxx please lead me to the light 🙏🏽 lol
@@SeanDrinks I mentioned purposely not using the stalker ring to make it fair. The ring makes it even better
@@starlord225 Yes
@@ProtoxxGaming thank you! Appreciate your videos 🥂
Crossbows go "pew pew" while bows go "pwanggg". Makes me think it's just your personal preference as both sounds are epic.
hmm.......... a cbow is more like "fhew"... i´m sure pew pew is an starwars blaster
Crossbows actually can pump out really insane damage on emerald bak's. The hit splat on them scales with the increased effect of the evolving toxins on Bik arrows, and the base chance for them to proc is 55%. So with a full poison build that you would set up on Bik arrows you can switch to Emerald bolts and just constantly hitsplat a target for upwards of 4k - 5k extra poison damage per hit on top of the Bik poison (its a lot of poison splats). Group content with people stacking bik arrows you can have people bring crossbow switches and have one person maintain Bik stacks while other people *slam* the boss with emerald bik damage, and in solo content you could possibly bring crossbow switches (for those who subscribe to switch scape) for like rapid fire and grico to spam out poison splats. Be it ascensions, Wyvern crossbow, ecb, etc.
My Solaking party does this strat, we have all our DPS bring Bik arrows and once we have him at 400 stacks everyone but one person switches to Emerald Baks and just goes to town. Then for the very last phase we all switch to emerald baks and melt the boss. Super reliable strat for the big tree. Could be super strong at just about anywhere where Bik stacks works theoretically.
Unless we're just understanding the effect incorrectly, but seems to be *really* strong
This is something i've yet to try but I can imagine it being absolutely nutty with a group boss
I definitely see bows as dps machines, specially at poisonables bosses, however thanks to the decrease in price of crossbows in general, I bought the blightbounds in under 800M (were more cheaper than a single seismic wand) and definitely i am saving the baks during use, and thanks to them I am doing 2 cycles Seiryu.
Got the mainhand for 159 and offhand for 163 yesterday
@demetrib9373 the blightblounds?? If so, then they are crashing so badly giving no more than a year ago they were about a 1B each.
@@moisescastillo217 yeah the blights. Its they are at its all time low atm
@@moisescastillo217 it's due to necromancy
@ZeeZeeGaming I got it, but I still find insane how cheap the blightbounds are right now, I am now getting t90 necromancy power, because I don't if it is me but I am getting low dps in gwd3 (right now using t80 weapons and next getting t90)
I have 2.5k hm glacor kills all with ranged.
I can tell you at 1000%, the poison build is so easy you barely even need to eat any food or stress at all. Easy kills.
1k with bolts is tough. I don’t have bis gear either, but even with hydrix and inspiration aura it doesn’t touch the poison builds at higher enrage.
Haven't gone that far in arch glacor close to 200% enrage camp hexhunter bow with splintering arrows. Imo ripper demons with splintering arrows with potion feel so much better with greater daze
@@tonynguyen8166 try bik arrows and blood reaver for a huge dps increase! Set auto fire of the scrolls to 0 tho. Hexhunter is awesome at glacor.
Everyone quick, panic sell your crossbows kkkkkkkk
Interesting that the difference between wen/ful arrows and bak(e) bolts is so minor, the god arrows are quite costly to use so outside of outliers like the poison stacking build it seems like the cost of the god arrows outweighs the killspeed increase. I'm probably going to go for blights and have a nox bow available for when I want to use the poison build. Given a set of blights is 800m vs SGB at 2.1b atm, you'd get much more from buying blights + grico than an sgb if you're interested in ranged.
The Seren God Bow isn't expensive because of god arrows... Hint: There's a reason you bring one when maging, meleeing, and yes, even ranging with blights, even if it's hiding in your essence of finality.
@@pondracek the special on any bigger mob (raksha for example) is insane even more so combined with a bolg / ecb
@@pondracek I didn't say the SGB was only good for the arrows, it was used as eof fodder before the arrows came out. So no hint required thanks.
@@Kritya You're literally comparing an SGB against blights though.
They aren't comparable. Choosing blights over an SGB implies they are, whereas even if you're camping blights, or BOLG, you're bringing an SGB.
I used crossbows for years, even upgrading to an eldritch as my first t92 2h. Any content can be done with either. But at the highest level bosses, poisonable ones as noted in particular, bows have a huge advantage.
Also, I don't think I've ever had as much fun in runescape combat as using deathspore arrows. Deathspore proc on incendiary shot into a relentless proc on natural instinct into DS -> grico -> deadshot is the most hilariously broken thing... 4 ults in 9 seconds.
I like both. I'll use grico with cbows and hydrix for adren all the time. Also, places like p3 rago The End week, ecb spec trumps everything, and with bows it's hard to dps while keeping adren for ecb spec. So I'll camp cbows at times like that with hydrix. Of course, anything poisonable, just camp bows.
Btw, if you want to stack poison and be sweaty, emerald bak bolts damage also increases with bik.
Actually best in slot for amby is both crossbows and bows. Once you get 400 bik stacks, switch to the wyvern crossbow for wyvern damage and ruby bakriminal bolt 12k procs, and every 25 seconds switch to bik to keep the stack. This combo is extremely deadly at amby.
It's equal parts amusing and frustrating to watch this kind of debate unfold. People will debate for hours about which one is better. People will also call one dead content for marginal differences in damage. Both are fine. It makes no sense to sell your weapon to switch weapon types when the pendulum can easily swing back in the other direction.
So recapping what he said at the end?
@@ThreePhase470 bro responded within 10 mins of the video coming out. Doubt he finished the video before writing that
I like both but bow is cooler
I do agree with you. People will defend it when a content creator says something but it’s not a big deal and by no means are any of the options dead content. Also just wanna mention even when these two are close like at vindicta he is using the boots wrong. You don’t camp ruby and I know it was for consistent kills but he sure stacked the poison stacks to show how that ammo is so good but then didn’t even use bolts right
@@ThreePhase470 Yes. The comment section is for discussing content in the video.
We don't need it explained, but it's nice you realised.
Another great and informative video Eric, soon you’ll hit that much deserved 100k 🎉
Cheers!! 👌🏼
they don’t suck, it’s just different. You’re not going to get poison damage, but hydrix bolts and inspiration aura you’re still going to get unlimited adrenaline and good dps. It’s not going to bolg level but that’s the the thing, meta changes doesn’t mean crossbows suck now.
I no life 2449 Range Telos. The t95 bow is amazing with wen arrows but for adrenaline needs, niche 4tick 2h autos, chin sgb spec, and p5 darkbow spam under barricade I use my cross bows almost 50/50. If and when they make t95 crossbows or whatever dual weapon. Will be hard to see bow being used the much after.
hello proto, as always a great video and an interesting opinion. For my part, I am a big fan of crossbows, I tried the BolG but I ended up selling it because I couldn't improve my times in raksha due to the fact that the rotation is very different and the arrows consumed much faster compared to the bolt ones, In my opinion outside of poisonous bosses or dragons, crossbows are still much easier to master for great dps when you already have Sgb and Ecb on your final essence.
yes crossbows are easier, but once you get a good understanding of how the bolg works its actually disgusting. Youre not gonna be able to master it after an hour of trying it out
BolG is easily the hardest weapon to master, I had a hard time getting used to it despite it being so powerful.
Doing good damage with fsoa is so much easier
@@ProtoxxGaming Have been using bolg for weeks and i can tell, its the best ranged weapon in the game and nothing come close. You can get the same dps as FSOA if you have a good rotation.
Biggest problem is bloody making those arrows. You go through them so fast.
Boltg and blights are still Zaddy , especially with ecb eof
I think that crossbows are still quite powerful DPS wise however I personally feel the crossbow style is extremely janky to use, I use revo++ and it feels so weird how your character just stands there while doing a snipe/rapid fire and I keep cancelling them whereas dual wield magic or even staff camping feels more like a dance that fluidly transitions through your rotations.
fleeting boots? and nightmare gaunts lmao
Long time ago before God arrows were released, crossbows were simply way too good because of bak bolts and bows had nothing going for them
With god arrows they now provide players an option and the gap isn't that big between them
Jagex has bigger problems balancing non-magic tank armour and a lot of 'old melee' weapons
Bows have a range, ability, and ammo advantage. Mutated dazing shot is superior to needle strike, especially when using poison. Bows have a larger range, constantly get dragged in using dual wield cbows. And bows have the broken Bik arrows, defence reducing blackstone arrows, and much more.
Plus we need to remember the BiS range ring benefits arrows, and works synergistically with deadshot to be the range equivilent of tsunami, albeit arguably worse since mage has greater concentrated blast to really buff the chances of getting a crit.
I'd love to see a comparison of upgraded Hexhunter vs other high level bows
As someone who owns enchanted hex and bow of last guardian, I can say that enchanted hex won't outperform the botlg; however, enchanted hex will beat everything else on whatever it works on. If you can't afford a botlg then an enchanted hex is worth getting.
@@AsianRailgun Worth if you cam magic type boss
As mentioned, BOLG is just insane and an absolutely best in slot for ranged, while hexhunter is 2nd best anywhere it works
Just wondering as to the awareness of how poison damage gets calculated on the people that say hexhunter is going to be 2nd best anywhere it works...because if the boss is poisonable something like sgb at ag will almost certainly outperform hex with bik arrows.
@@arthurskok5899 I dont think bik arrow what makes hexhunter good. Every bow is good with bik arrow at poisoonable boss
nice vid m8 good luck with 100k
Very interesting! I have been using Ascension crossbows with ruby bak bolts for so long now! I love my duels but this video might make me get a nox bow as well as I can't afford SGB or BOLG just yet. Even then Nox box has hit quite high in price itself.
Ah yes, the Nox Box, the Noxussy if you will
Curious, do you mean enchanted ruby baks or just ruby baks
@@GRaToMiC Ruby Bak bolts (e)
@@abhisheknauduri7013 would you recommend them for random pvm? prolly just ascenscion bolts right?
@@GRaToMiC I'd definitely recommend Ruby Bak bolts(e) but only if the boss you're killing has more than 100k hp because after a certain hp/%, it's good to switch to diamond bak bolts(e) or something else. Ruby bolts effects doesn't help much if the boss has low health in total so hence why you do that.
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Crossbows are still good btw.
right? lmao like even after watching the video i have no idea where hes coming up with crossbows sucking lol
Im on the DL waiting for blights to go a little lower
Literally. The 2h bows feel so slow time to kill compared to my cbows
I took 1:30 minute off my PR at bsd going from asc xbows to nox bow, while using dark magic instead of reckless
Insaneee 😳
Ruby bolts aren't really a fair comparison, though. Once you have grico, it makes much more sense to camp hydrix bolts, only switching to ruby when the effect is off cooldown. The difference in damage will be much closer when considering hydrix bolts and the unlimited ecb and db specs you can fire off.
Honestly I should've tested kills with full hydrix in hindsight...
Perhaps a future part 2, hydrix camp!
Actually, its the other way around. Camp ruby and switch hydrix for grico when it off cooldown.
What armor is it Protoxx is using as override? Can't seem to find it.
Shadow reef diver outfit (premier club token)
@@ProtoxxGaming Thank you. Guess I know what I use my next token on. Slowly getting all of those outfits myself :D
My thing is with poisonable bosses either they're easy enough it doesn't matter too much or hard enough that I need all the damage reduction I can get from anim dead + a defender. I can use a defender with ranged too, which helps immensely on my nex kills both as a mobile switch and for the last phase, _but then I can't use a bow._
As a sidenote
Eldritch crossbow is still pretty good with it's special attack.
I think ECB will outdamage every bow (even poisanable bosses) exept if you have the Bow of the last guardian
but you can put ecb into eof and use a bow
@@zarosalt2504 fair point , but in the video it was bow vs crossbow, and it was my point with ny comment :p and yeag, ecb nowadays if you have the bow, its op
@Protoxx
So quick question, Im max skill wise and i really am super bad at PVMing i come from the 2006 Runescape era so im not used to Revolution at all and i dont really know a good way to make money without killing, right now im farming Divine charges and the thing is id like top get my hands on a Seren Godbow sometime before i die of old age but given how insanely priced T 92 and 95 stuff is its next to impossible for me to get one especially since im more of a skiller then i am a killer, i do have some hybrid gear as well as magic ranged and melee but its a mix between tier 80 - 90 stuff at best. I honestly could uswe alot of help and guidence
It comes down to practice. The best way to make money is to keep trying bosses (cliche but thats how). Or camping consistent gp slayer mobs
Specific advice is kinda hard without details, perhaps consider sharing what bosses uve done and what gear u have (u could also show me that in my discord linked in the description).
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When having 350m worth of weapons (asc xbows) is considered mid tier 🤔 which is obvious considering the 2nd best bow costs max ge. The jump to top tier is considerably long winded, my laptop would burn out before I get there 😢
This is good for us rangers. We now have options to split the costs. This will benefit me at least.
Guys here a tip: Araxxor is super easy, you can learn super quickly. If you have asc you can kill raxx. 100% guaranteed (you can learn in 2 to 3hours) if you can't buy both, try doing raxx to create the bow from scratch. Super fun, super easy
this is true. did that shit with glaives lol
Astellarn lets you stack:
1. Jas dragonbane
2. Dragon slayer perk
3. Slayer helm (dragon task)
4. Hexhunter bow
To my knowledge, this is the only boss that will let you stack a hex weapon with helm, perk, and arrows
And dragon slayer ability
simple answer to the video : NO. they don't suck now.
crossbows have not been nerfed. something else becoming good doesn't make the other thing bad. crossbows still have the easiest shieldswap ability and allow easy chinchompa useage + their damage is still incredibly good. clickbait title
also testing with only ruby bolts is unfair to the style. because ruby lowers ur dps if the target gets below a certain %hp. and or has lower than a certain ammount hp.
I mean for last phase @ amby it's better to ds under him and keep on following the smoke to negate the healling but yeah
Great tip I keep forgetting to use💀
Yeah I was a little surprised he was saying amby is a dps check. Like yeah if you let him get literally all of the healing I guess its a dps check lol
@@TheJorge100 can also be a dps check when talking about the spinners but the bik arrows don't quite help with that
@@runepedro Thats what I originally thought he meant but cbows handle that just fine either way. So him saying the bik arrows changed that confused me until I saw what he meant lol
I just use both tbh. Keep my pernix quivers set with arrow/bolt combos
I much prefer crosbows at stuff like normal mode zuk(haven't tried hardmode yet) and araxxor/araxxi since shield switching and resonancing a hit on we there can save you. I actually only consider bows where the dragonbane and bik arrows work.
Its not like you can't use shield/shieldbow switch with bows??
really appreciate this insight!
4:40 How are you attacking while running
Spam clicking on the floor while mashing my ability bar
What would you recommend for Ed1, trying to learn 2cycle against seriyo.. So far I am still needing like 50k dps and I am using ascensions.. but I dont know if arrows would even help here? :)
You heard it here first, folks! Bows are marginally better than crossbows!
Crossbows are dead content! Sell everything you have! Ascensions? Blightbounds? Eldritch? Sell it all! Do it quick before the prices drop!
*me, still using royal crossbow with royal bolts at lv94 ranged*
hmm, yes, indeed, I agree that perhaps crossbows may not be lit af
but really, ill keep all this in mind when/if I decide to upgrade... combat level 130 and still the only bosses I've fought are KBD, Giant Mole and QBD ;-;
it's just stressful and I don't have friends to do instances together :(
Most bosses can be clapped more easily than you think (after a few tries)
How is the interaction if you get 400% bik stack and then use emerald baki bolts? Anything worth considering?
People in my clan use that alongside blood reaver cinderbanes for arch glacor. So it seems worth considering for poisonable bosses
it modifies wyvern to be like 600-800s, emeralds are also scaled as such like 800s-1.2ks. the real cheese is grico'ing biks and fucking off to other stuff. You can self apply bik stacks while maging or meleeing for example. melee has the best reaver interaction due to double vamps and soul split while also applying scourage, with ezk and havoc you're easily like 300k poison dpm ontop of havoc zerk which is like ~240k and the ~120k damage from ezk+other stuff between zerks.
Very interesting. I knew the t95 Arrows were good, but not that good. I was planning to use magic when I learned Kerapac, but now I might switch to ranged. Will need to look into it more.
Ranged is a harder style to learn than magic with fsoa, if you got ecb and dbow eofs and and an sgb or bolg you could do high damage, but it is close to 10b setup, but with magic and fsoa you only need a grim biting perk and reaver ring which should be something like 4.5b, but you will do lots of damage even without all of these
For Kera I think magic is still better if you’re using animate dead. That phase 4 is punishing otherwise
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Not mentioning deathspore arrows for free death swiftnesses seems like a big oversight.
My idea: stack deathspore --> swiftness --> incendiary shot -->crossbows--> adren for days / all the dbows
I probably should've, but that hydrix bolts with grico are far more consistent as a switch and u don't really rely on crits
I feel more comfortable using crossbows and bak bolts when pvming maybe im not used to nox long bow yet
I've used the bows and if u don't have a bow of last guardian crossbows just feels a little better for me but I've never used the new bow yet
At nex you want to use ruby/hydrix. Using diamonds bak bolts normally not worth it most of the time
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No one really said anything about how he deals with ambassador? You need to rotate clockwise to stop healing, its not a dps check in the last phase, its only a dps race for the spinners
I know but I used deaths swiftness so I didn't want to lose out on damage.
If u drop it below amby u can apparently walk and stop the heals while still using ur deaths swiftness
I don’t understand why people say one style or substyle sucks now that one got a boost. Crossbows are still great! Just not as good as bows now days. Melee is still great! Just not as good as range and mage. Each style is great, just not comparable to the other depending on the boss and situation.
Anyone know how well wen/ful arrows work at araxxor? Compared to ruby/hydrix
I made a Bolg and while it and the god arrows are powerful i do miss using hydrix bak bolts. I find myself missing the easy and bountiful amount of adrenaline they provide.
You might enjoy deathspore arrows.
@@BaronOfRed I tried using their special effect with Incendiary shot but It was too much planning for my slow self and at the time i was still learning to use bolg. But I might just revisit it, ty for your suggestion!
When the bow ammo is worth more than the wep to upkeep it's not worth it stick to xbows
skip ascensions and go straight into nos
longbow imo... price difference is minimal. great video
Wow protoxx, you didn’t have to make this video while I was farming the legiones log smh
Colletaral damage 👀
Mech chins and t90 defender is the only dual wield i need c:
would it be too much to ask what an hour of pvm with the crossbows cost vs an hour with the bow? as reference?
Im thinking of just buying and main handing an SGB regardless, but it would be fun to know.
Using BolG, I typically use around 1.7-2k arrows per hour, sometimes more it depends on the content so around 5-7m in arrows. As for crossbows I do not recall but it was cheaper for sure even spamming hydrix bolts for adren with caroming 4 and grico.
@@Epic_Dr0ps yeah thats pretty expensive when you consider other resource costs. Most bosses in rs these days don't even drop 10m/h anymore..
@@Kaij- Im pretty sure all boss after GWD2 drop 10m/hr.
@@luqmanhakim5291 that's not exactly a huge selection of bosses to kill though. I'm looking at the money making on the rs wiki. That is well skewed. It puts things like killing araxi at 40m+ an hour.. my average loot there is about 100k a kill..
@@Kaij- oh lol. That's because you didnt account the rare drops. If you're doing bosses all the money come from the rare drop. The commons aren't worth that much. That being said 10m/hour bosses is a lot of selection. There are a ton of bosses after gwd2 and before it that have 10m/hour. Elite dungeon, gwd3, raksha etc. Even slayer is more than 10m/hour. The rs money making guide arent skewed though. You can change the amount of kill per hour and you can get the exact gp/hour for yourself. Its may vary based on your luck. Like the most consistent boss is ed1 and i can make around 50m/hour with it and there are alot of better gp/hr boss than ed1
people really sleeping on hex + enchantment with ful arrows. I destroyed my pbs with the bow vs cbows. cbows for mobs and bows for bosses. :)
So you can use t95 arrows on Lower tier bows?
Ofc! Make sure u have the ranged level
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lol I've never seen anyone do a promo for Clash of Clans. Played for 5+ years from 2015. I like 2h weapons more and have always like bows regardless of whats "optimal" being an average pvmer.
Ascensions are good as I can kill zammy 100 rage before the first bomb hits me
My poor ass can't afford arrows that are destroyed every time I cast any ability. These are for rich speed-killers only
Great, i just bought ascensions yesterday lol
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Not watched the video but I’ve just sold my ascensions for nox long so I goddamn hope so lol
Just wait till elder bolts or some other type t95 t97 bolts come out in future 😅 gg bows
After i got bow of the last guardian i cant use dw anymore 🤔
Me, an eloquent gentlemen.
Armadyk crossbow or nothing.
I use my hex hunter bow like on dragons ed2 , and crossbows for like the mid boss at ed2 cuase then i can easier reso
Waiting on that c'bow crash.
aren't crossbows better just because of the Crits builds?
like the current best in slot magic build, it uses wands + gconc (+bitting 4, the grimoire, reaver's ring, etc...) for triggering a crit to use with the staff, so isn't this the same with ranged?
No because mage have tsunami for low adren, range cant use Incendiary Shot realisticly in a rotation, you'd only use that ability if u staaled it for a speed kill of any sort
Edit: also FOSA "scales" with crit, crossbows doesnt hit more hits because of crit.
Even with crit builds, bow is better to build deathspore stack and use incend.
When will we have these God bolts for crossbows? 🥺👉👈
new bolt release when?
People need to keep in mind that Jagex always wants the different combat styles to be equal. There are pros and cons for 2h/dual wielding, range, mage etc..If Jagex feels that one style has too many pros compared to the other styles they either nerf one style or improve the others. Ofc there are going to be periods where one style may be better due to an update but long term they will balance that out.
But can you camp a repriser to tank mechanics with a bow?
Can use a Strykebow, which is a T85 shield bow. Only allows one of each gizmo though so you can't use two weapon gizmos.
If by bow you mean crossbow then yeah. Bows in the video are 2h weapons.
@@spartypants4311 even a dark bow
@@zeldapro18 By bow, I mean a 2h weapon. Of course you can use a repriser with crossbows (except 2handed wyvern or ECB).
Only as a switch for adrenaline
Sadly, it seems that black stone arrows have skyrocketed -_-
No....esspecially since its 1m an hour to use god arrows
Just over 1200 arrows are used an hour that's almost 3.5m in just arrows alone
Not 1m
Can u do pvp guide plz
I don't do bosses godwars dungeon 2 are the biggest bosses I kill I use ascensions
Meanwhile, my plan is to the main melee haha
I just upgraded my Crossbows last month so im gonna pretend i never watched this video and did not make a big mistake when i could have spent that gold on a better bow instead. : }
Don't be too disappointed, at least bak bolts won't cost you a fortune haha
The arrows have won... but at what cost?
Two ribs and your bank
“Closing in on 100k”????? Bruh I’ve been watching you for a while now and I thought you had like 1m subs..
Huge compliment man
This makes my video on same subject look so cheap 😂
I still love my cbows...
amazing video
while bows are probably better, you comparing the expensive ass arrows to rubies, which only proc from time to time is not exactly fair. At that added cost per hour you can easily camp hydrix with the occasional ruby switch not the other way around
He also used Hydrix and Diamond bak bolts. Cost shouldn't matter imo, what bak bolts are best for each boss. If the god arrows were faster and easier like bak bolts they'd be cheaper most likely.
@@zeldapro18 yes, but he specified that he camped ruby mostly. they have the cheapest upkeep since you use so few per hour. he said hes mostly using diamonds with sometimes switching in hydrix at nex too. if you would camp anything camping hydrix is always best. so he went in with the best arrows for a specified boss and the budget strats boltwise.
@@cedric-euw I think I should consider a part 2 with full hydrix camp
what do you mean when you say my RNG?
this form of thinking is so redundant, it doesnt suck its just been replaced as the meta. youre going to make people who are beginner pvm think that crossbows are not a viable upgrade path.
But my conclusion was that crossbows are still very much worth getting? It's just that bows are slightly better, and therefor high level boios with the money should focus on getting bows as upgrades
That was my first thought. These days people are very flippant, myself included sometimes. If a certain style isn't clear above another then it's "trash".
Crossbows, with Ruby bolts, an SGB EoF etc are sooo powerful.
If they don't actually watch the video to the end, sure lol
@@ProtoxxGaming yes but lots of ppl might not watch the vid and your clickbait title doesnt make that super clear :P
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Inb4 crossbows drop en mass on ge cuz of this video
Ranged style always feels trash to me, never been a fan. Feel like a wet noodle and the abilities are clunky
Magic enjoyer?
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