I can't think of any, but I'm very happy that it LUTs like you enjoyed your time in Japan with the S9 very much! Would love to have something like this in an affordable, not huge, IBIS filled M43 camera. Is there something like it or should I just cry? 😂
You know, you could start by explaining why an acronym for Look Up Tables has come to be used for something that you no longer need to look up and has no obvious association with tables. LUT sounds like jargon because it *is* jargon. 'Recipes' sounds like they are trying too hard to sound cool, but 'real-time LUT sounds like they aren' t trying at all. '
Thank you for your videos about the S9! I have found them honest and informative, and I appreciate your enthusiasm! Some popular RUclipsr is saying that anyone that attended this event is only shilling for Panasonic, but unlike his videos, I have always enjoyed your happy-go-lucky, unpretentious, perspective. Thank you for doing what you do Ms. Emily!
Thank you so much for that! Yes this camera has brought out a lot of angry people, and I don't think they realise I always review small, colourful, fun cameras 😂
an M43 version with an autofocus pancake or be able to use the previous Panasonic lenses would be a game changer. I own an XT2, EPL10 and GrIII - all serve different purposes and took time to acquire. the M43 is really that middle of road where I find i want something compact but also interchangeable. I have a Sigma 19mm 2.8mm that I would love to use with a m43 version of the S9
... the Clarity setting is not selected by default so maybe the "film recipe" was created for the setting to be enabled. I think any seasoned Fujifilm user knows that the Clarity setting enabled yields a slight delay for processing...
How the LUT you did this video without sounding like a Fuji hater was so impressive. Hope you're a literal ambassador for lumix, if not they're missing out. Nice concise video! Great job!
Really like this channel. Excellent content always! Every day I find it fascinating how much we want our images to look like film. I get it, I grew up on film, and routinely make things 'filmic' in LR, but it still amazes me. Much like the resurgence in Vinyl records. I hear flares are back in again ;)
@@MicroFourNerds I just want to re-affirm what he said. IT's true. Not sure why clarity adjusts on the Fuji are so expensive given how fast the Ricoh GR's do it.
So glad I found your channel !! Lots of great advice, presented well and easily digested. Has helped me loads....on thinking about...nooo....trying not to push a 'Buy' button LOL. Thank you 😁
The deley in Fuji was because you have set the clarity setting to anything other than 0. Put in on 0 and capture and storing will be instant as with S9, I am a nerd and have Fuji as well as Lumix G7 :)
I'm a s-LUT for good tones and this seems like the best implementation yet. Especially giving a convenient way of sharing your own recipes with others is a really nice touch. The camera itself is not intresting to me, if I want compact I don't want to lug around big full frame glass, or have to put up with manual focus, fixed and really dark aperture lenses to get something remotely compact, as that negates most full frame sensor benefits with having to raise ISO and loosing any dof I gained. But man would I love another mft camera in that format...
Love the pun! Haha yes, regardless of the camera, I hope this is a feature for future lumkx cameras and rolled back to compatible existing ones. It's fab!
But number of parameters that you can change is limiting. With Panasonic you can do this on the fly on your phone plus you have much more options like HSL and RGB curves. When you sit in front of PC them you can use software of your choice to create LUT and there options are endless. This implementation is game changer.
Emily, for that process delay that you stated on the Fuji, did you change the clarity at all? For some reason changing clarity, up or down, affects the processing time. If it still does that with clarity at zero, then I don’t know why it is doing that.
Very interesting feature indeed and I’ve been playing a lot with it the last few days on my S5 IIx. Now they only have to make a it so that you can easily convert a LUT meant for V-Log footage into a photo LUT. Or is there maybe a way that you might know? I’ve been trying around with colour space transforms in Davinci, but the results are way off.
I think if you get the LUT into the app, and then add saturation and contrast in the editor, then save it as a new LUT it should do the trick. When the s5ii gets the lut updates in-camera, where you can stack two luts, you could also layer it on top of a rec709 lut, as you probably do in editing 😊
@@MicroFourNerds oh, applying a LUT meant for photo to V-Log isn't problematic, that I can just export layered with a Rec709 transform in Davinci and it works great. Going the other way round is tricky though, because it ends up way too dark and contrasty. I tried to add a Rec 709 to v-log transform to go from a video LUT to photo and that didn't work at all, the colours were all wonky. I do have the same set of LUTs as a Lightroom presets without the transforms though, so I guess I'll try to convert that with the method you show in the other video. Your videos on the subject have been excellent help, thank you!
I just adjust my pictures in Capture one. Lack of profiles etc its not s problem for me. But other issues are more important. Even tho fuji is not my favorite i would rather have it because of viewfinder nice tilt screen and mechanical shutter so no banding or weird issues with artificial lights.
I like what Pany have done with LUTs. But, I need more in a camera than the S9 offers. I have the X100V, it in no way can be compared with the S9. The X100V has its own vibe. The viewfinder alone is an engineering wonder.
Love the video Emily! Thanks. One thing I’d throw out there (sort of in Panasonic’s defense I guess?) is that the terminology of recipes I’m pretty sure was popularized by users (not Fuji themselves). Hopefully we as Lumix users can come up with our own cool thing 😂
No, not really. Olympus didn't have LUTS- they had some aspects of that but not the whole thing. They didn't have the MP4 lite, open gate, and a workflow designed to upload to social media direct. I like the PenF color and options, but it's really not quite the same thing. That said, for photography, this camera missing any form of mechanical shutter can be a big problem, particularly shooting at night. Where I wonder is, how exactly is this doing this workflow better than an iPhone at this point?
@@Raist3dbI would say, when you’re shootings a quick snap for IG or a small print, the phone offers superior speed and rapid focusing. I use my phone for this use-case routinely, as I think we all do. If that’s where your photography stops - no problem! But as soon as you want to expand beyond those use-cases, the benefits of a larger sensor (1” type and up) rapidly come into play. Add interchangeable lenses and vintage lenses (with mirrorless), and there’s literally no comparison, whether you’re shooting raw or jpg or heif. It’s all about what you shoot, and why. They both have a place.
@@JasonOverHere Well, keep in mind that the selling proposition of the camera is the workflow, and they are supposedly aiming a lot of video for content creators. Well, that's something the iPhone does today rather well. Heck, the iPhone can even capture 4k Pro Res. And the workflow skips the step of having to transfer from camera to phone. It's from that perspective that I am coming here- because the S9 is pushed in a sale point for this workflow. Do keep in min- the last two presentations of Apple were the company spokes people are speaking on video, were captured on iPhone. Looks pro enough right?
@@Raist3db Yup, the competition is tight. I’m of the opinion that they’re working to pull users from the smartphone ecosystem, not trying to go head to head with it. There’s a lot to be said for a larger sensor when you’re looking for true shallow depth of field and lower light scenarios. Definitely not arguing that the phone isn’t a superior system for rapid output. I believe they’re working to provide an alternative which cuts out colour grading (or offers that option), which Apple’s ProRes does not. They don’t have to be better (though arguably the quality is). they just have to be provide a unique angle to get reasonable sales numbers. I think a lot of the arguments online are basically a zero sum game. So many are assuming that if it’s not everything, it’s nothing. But that isn’t the case at all. It doesn’t have to dominate any specific market segment to succeed for Panasonic’s sales. Time will tell!
Hello @microfournerds , you can take your photos in RAF files (on the Fujifilm side) and edit them with X-RAW Studio (I know, it's so sloooow). Like that, you can try at home all the recipes. Last but not least, with the Fujifilm Xapp, you can backup and restore the recipes. :-)
IDK why Panasonic catches so much hell. People say 'do something different' and are mad the S9 took a different approach (pancake lens, aside). And they just did a major S5II firmware update not long ago, and that camera is like a year old, which can't be said about many other companies. It's like when everyone was madnthe G9II wasn't the size of a GX series camera lol
I don't know who needs to hear this but, the Lumix Lab app is a game-changer and a WORKFLOW changer. The system they have in place for the S9 to get LUTS on and off the camera, adjust the luts, set new settings of the luts, send luts to friends...is amazing. Guaranteed every major camera brand copies it and starts to use something of the sort. It really is one of the main reasons why the S9 has been so fun to shoot with ! The whole process and experimentation is just fun. As an X-T5 owner, and Fuji user over the years...the simulations are cool, indeed.. But to me, the simulations feel like small tweaks..where as the LUTS on the Panasonic feel like legit CHANGES. Overhauls so to speak. They really dial it in, in camera, and I haven't had to do any post processing. I love it, and the S9 is punching above expectations, for me...personally.
the technical term real time lut + not including some cool named luts in camera already was def a marketing blunder. even "Look" sounds better and more accessible.
I totally agree. Why are the pre loaded luts in the camera called "sample lut 1" 2 &3 lol "Look" would be so much more accessible and a relatively easy switch from "lut"
Mmmmm agreeee, recipe is definitely a more appealing label and more simple to refer to. I think if this real-time LUT becomes more commonplace across Lumix (and maybe other brands) then we're in for an interesting future of in-camera creative luts
So... If you shoot with a RTLut and open the raw file in LR/C1/raw-photo-editor, does the RTLut carry through and can you install the RTLut as a camera profile?
So I can't open the files in Lr until they update it on their end, usually a week or two after the camera is available, but on the Lumix Lab app, you can see the raw files and the LUT does copy over when you open it there
It’s a great concept, and I love that Panasonic took this step. I suspect to feel out the market and bring their take to the dilemma of how you get smartphone photographers back into camera gear. (And full frame to show the difference between optical and computational depth of field is arguably a wise choice.) Good for them. Better to take this shot than to just assume you can’t reach the smartphone market.
What sucks about Fujifilm custom recipes via custom settings is that they also save settings that you don't necessarily want to store such as aperture or adaptor focal length for manual lenses.
Two caveats with the "S9 LUT better than Fuji film sims" - 1) first, I think there's something to be said about with the Fuji you start with a very well established baseline of excellent tone/color picks because FujiFilm has decades of experience doing film, and they based their digital film sims on the intent of the film they represent per interviews. As far as simplicity goes, I rather start with that well researched baseline rather than me trying to guess what curves/tones/etc. I need to do to get to them. That over time can be worked around with everyone creating/exchanging the LUTS. 2) Now, the unique Fuji thing- the parameters that Panasonic provides for custom LUTS I have seen do not do all the Fujifilm sims do- at least for one specific one- Across. Across has a certain grain, and there was a whole article on how Fuji programmed it in such a way that the variation of the grain varies per the areas of luminosity/tone of the photo. Custom LUTS doesn't get you that kind of look or result. I am not sure how much the color film sims are also affected in a non linear, non obvious ways too, that are not represented by the LUT parameters of the Panasonic App/System. As a side comment - I like they (Panasonic) have grain, but doesn't seem like the grain has a size parameter like it does on the Fuji. I really like what Panasonic did in terms of the UI, customization, creation and sharing of the LUTs. Particularly the sharing part, is great. And maybe they may further put more parameters for the LUT creations, but the point is- what Fujifilm did, at least for the Across film sim is not a simple "color look up table with curves adjusted" and I do wonder how many if any of their color film sims have similar custom programmed adjustments that are not a simple LUT set of parameters. And likewise on the pro-LUT side, as you mention towards the end of your video, you can do things like that teal & turquoise or such blue combo. One thing to consider: You can do all the JPEG parameters adjustments Fuji has in-camera. I wish Panasonic provided for a way to create the LUTS directly on the S9 without the need of the phone.
To add to your first point, Lumix should have created around 5 or 7, good base Luts, to get beginners started. Now either they only get the 3 medium one in camera or they have to risk to get drowned in the sea of luts via the app. Even if there are very good luts created, how am i supposed to find them? It makes it less beginner friendly.
@@showdaKOs I thought about that you said. I think from what they are showing us (the RUclipsrs that went there), seems like the App has a reasonable discoverability of some starter good looking LUTS. But I would have preferred they gave some in-camera, though the standard "Panasonic film sims" at this point I guess could be used as starting point? Still, something to be said about Fujifilm having some very known baselines.
You're doing a great job with these reviews and insights. It was a big mistake for Lumix to offer that little cheap lens on the S9 on launch. I shoot with S5, but there's no point in using that camera with a big lens. As you said in a different video that size camera really benefits from a M4/3 sensor, as the lenses are small and high-quality. Full frame is nice, but it requires bigger lenses .
Good question, I'm not sure that you can in camera, but once you send the image to the app your lut presets are there and you can change it however you like
@@MicroFourNerds Thanks for the quick reply. You can bracket Film Recipes on Fujifilm. That said, I do like to concentrate on one look at a time to see how I can take advantage of it. Like using one prime for the day.
Can you make a video going over everything in the Lumix app. Would love to see how it works and.what you can adjust. Would be cool to see how you can make a lut in Lightroom and then import it into the camera. I wish Fuji had a better app with a recipe store and a easy way to transfer them to the camera. I use Fuji xraw on my desktop to make my own recipes, you can also use it to transfer them to your camera.
I did film this with the pocket 3. I love it for getting work like this done on the go! I'm still trying to figure out how I like to colour grade the footage. I tend to add a "cine d to v-log" conversion lut, then grade it how I grade everything else. Still a work in progress tho for sure
I shoot 4/3rds but I don't understand the negativity surrounding the camera release. Other brands do it without A lot of fuss. Looking forward to an S1 refresh too. 😊
A couple comments. I’ve had the X100v pretty much since it was introduced. The delay goes away if you don’t use the clarity setting, and you can always add it back if you want later, in camera or in the app, if what you’re shooting requires no delay. I almost never use the clarity and it’s fine. The Fuji app is garbage and if they fixed that, things would be so much easier. So may issues with the app, including folks bricking their camera trying to update with it. It could be an easy way to grab, share, and upload recipes to the custom settings, then quickly get content out to social media, your photo store, or wherever, but no. That’s a serious missed opportunity and maybe the Lut wars will finally make that happen. I don’t understand making a camera that’s obviously designed for video bloggers/youtubers/whatever and then making it so limited for those creators. That’s just dumb. It’s super niche for over sharing narcissists, shorts creators, and ?. Not me, who never shoots video. When I want video I use the iPhone 15 pro max. lol! No mechanical shutter with that set up is also a non starter for so many. Seriously. Next! They missed an important opportunity and shut out a lot of potential buyers to drop the cost $50 or $100. That’s penny wise and pound foolish right there. I’d love a FF small camera to compete with the x100v/vi that was geared more for photographers, with Panasonic IBIS, those lenses, seriously, let’s go! I could get an S5ii, but I already have a OM-1 and use that for my travel/adventure photography. I was so excited, until I heard the details. The x100v was 1/2 way out the door and I was ready to spend the end of fiscal year bonus on some lenses. 😢
The same feature is in the LUMIX S5 II, there just isn’t a LUT button on it and it will still take a little while until the app for the LUTs is compatible with it. It’s a cracking feature. Didn’t know it existed when I bought the camera and was like, woah, this is cool!
Do you think that the S9 body style is the only way we’ll see PDAF in a “smaller” Panasonic MFT camera? Panasonic has already cut up the S5ii to make the S9, so it follows that they might repeat this to turn a G9ii (same body as the S5ii) into a GX10. Obviously we'd like a smaller option, like the GX9, (or the larger GX8) style body. The G100 body is probably too small, so you’d need to start over if you aimed there. There are definitely more challenges upgrading the GX body than stripping the G9ii, as you’d need to fit the new sensor and processor requirements into an already crammed body. I think that if you adapted the S9 body style you could make a killer MFT camera with PDAF that would blow the X100Vi out of the water. The smaller MFT sensor means you could put back in a viewfinder, and a working hotshoe. The price point would be similar to the S9 but you would have a lot more photographer friendly features, and maybe some LUTS.
I belive the intention is to merge Lumix Sync with the new app for everyone, but not sure which features will be available for which cameras at this time
so happy to find this channel. I got into MFT way back when Olympus had their first pen epl1. I still have that machine, it is really a good pne. I stopped taking photos but want to continue. Post processing is sometimes fun but I am tired of it. Looking for another MFT. I wish Olympus had that easy amazing post processing readily available like Fuji or Lumix. I want to stay with MFT because of the form factor. Lenses are much cheaper and smaller from what I see. Not very eager to get on to bigger form factor
Excellent video comparing the approaches Fuji and Lumix are taking to this in-camera processing trend. While the S9 has plenty of camera shortcomings, I think they are offering a wider path forward. It’s going to be interesting to see where this all goes. Thanks for this very smart video!
It does seem reviewers who were a bit disappointed in specs all seemed to actually have fun using the camera, which says a lot. And it did seem to me that the green version produced the best results! For me, I will wait and see how folks feel after using for a few months. Btw..liked that Streetwise LUT!
At the end of the day as a comparison between these two, I think of it as "Do I need better video and lens changing?" Then Lumix looks compelling. If you're like me where you do 99% photo stuff, the X100 bodies are probably good enough. I just got my X100VI in which is great but then I saw the S9 stuff come out so I might have to check it out myself just in case I need a compact hybrid to carry.
Plus, with the S9 you can use the whole collection of tiny M43 lenses that you've been building up for yea-- oh no, wait😔. It looks like quite a small camera (though Emily's suggestion in her earlier video that this is almost the updated GM1 that everyone says they want is a bit of a stretch) but pretty muck any lens is going yo take the bulk up considerably, particularly when you realise that the lens it's pictured with is a fixed f8, manual focus (so essentially like the Olympus body-cap lenses).
@@MicroFourNerds Looks good. I really think it's the future. Imagine a pocket 4 with 2 separate lenses. The standard 21mm plus a 50 or 85mm. Talk about a market killer.
I'd love to see a more photocentric s9 in the future, with a small flash, two proper dials for exposure adjustments and maybe a custom one. And a leaf shutter... Maybe something like the ricoh GR... No interchangeable lens but a wide and a normal option.
Lifetime Canon shooter, very happy with my R5. But this little S9 has me looking into the Lumix S system! I wish Canon would update their RP into something like the S9. It seems like a wonderful camera. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Very cool. My big hope is that this release pushes sigma to launch a Sigma FP/L mark II where we get IBIS and a tilt screen with improved rolling shutter performance. Because as it stands, the Lumix S9 is basically sort of an updated Sigma FP with some very nice features for hybrid shooters, so I feel like Sigma has to release something.
I'm warming to this idea of Real-time LUT's now that I understand that they are baked into the JPEG and not the RAW files. I stupidly thought that the LUTS were baked into the RAW files. Maybe if Lumix had rebranded the concept as a look/filter/style then they would have been easier for my little brain to understand. Probably why Fuji called them Recipes and not LUTs? As for video work, I occasionally dabble with LUTs or artistic looks, however this is done using Davinci Resolve software rather than an in-camera LUT. I realise that several LUTS are pre-loaded into Panasonic cameras and given user friendly names like Natural or vivid for simplicity when filming. I actually prefer the look of Panasonic's own Colour Science, with the vLog Colour Space, when its mathematically mapped out to the REC 709 colour space of my computer monitor. I'm still scared of using LUTs or artistic grades in my film work because I'm more likely to make a dog's dinner than an artistic master piece created by professional Colourists. There is a reason I do this for a hobby and Colourists get paid. 🤣
I am proud to toot my own horn again and say since the start of real time lut I saw the potential for photo! For video? Nah!!!! It's too easy to clip highlights and styles change over time. I've recently re edited my raw files from 2017 and they look epic now and so dated with how I edited previously. But for photo!!! When you can choose today's styles for quick jpegs, and bank the raws for just in case? Sign me up!
@@MicroFourNerds The penny did not drop for me until I experimented with the Leica Black and White profile. I stupidly thought that I'd get a B&W RAW file. How wrong I was. £5k+ for a Leica monochrome or G9m2 with a Leica LUT for considerably less? Bit of a no brainer.
I agree with filming using a LUT or colour profile, too much detail is thrown away in the highlights and shadows especially when the exposure is messed up in-camera. VLog is much more forgiving to recover highlights.
G9 user, so carrying that bias. When I don't love about the G9 turns out to be touch screens, and the view finder being in the middle vs off to the left edge. ( nose in the way ) So I end up taking most of the pictures vertical and cropping 1:1. The fuji potentially solves this. Too much investment in M43 to change but I now understand the attraction.
I love Lumix but i really dont understand what Panasonic wants with this camera and the way Panasonic is pushing content creators to talk about this camera is getting cringe
It's a "shoot and share" camera that definitely isn't for everyone. It'll fit some people's needs perfectly, and leave some people scratching their heads. As for Panasonic pushing creators, this is just a load of bollocks. Im sorry but it is. It's doing my head in 😂 every brand under the sun has press events, yet it only seems to be Panasonic being punished for it. There is no requirement for any of us who went to make content. Panasonic aren't pushing anything. They're not asking anyone to say anything. They never do. I sincerely hope Sony gets the same flack the next time they release a camera with a press event, like they've also done for years, at a lot higher scale and volume than Panasonic. But something tells me they won't.
s9 is still in its early stage, I will most likely wait for S9 2 when the body improve a bit more else jump to S5II instead, as I have a bigger hand. Personally, I think Xs10/XS20 is in the sweet spot of camera size and ergonomic for a everyday+ camera.
The S9 basically reminds me of the GX1 launch with the 14-42mm and 14mm kit options at launch. I feel like the 14mm on a GX9 almost gets m43 the same camera. Imagine an updated m43 rangefinder body (w/ a good OLED EVF option) paired with the 14mm pancake. Now we have an S9 killer lol.
This. Lumix needs to give us a similar body to the GX8 or 9 with an updated EVF and Real Time Luts, that would be an incredibly compelling option, even if it's m43 with all those amazing lenses.
Realtime LUT seems very interesting. I do wanna know how much banding I would get from S9's electronic shutter. Can you at some point do some indoor photoshoot testing?
I will always watch an Emily video even though this camera is not B-lutty for me. BTW you are looking a bit stealthy lately. I am noticing. You go girl!!👍
I've been playing with the built in creative colours of the cameras I own to just streamline my shooting a bit and this LUT thing seems amazing. Unfortunately the S9 is 2100 euro in Sweden 😭
That's so interesting. It's a genius word either way! Wouldn't it be funny if the biggest selling point of fujifilm cameras happened by accident. Created by their users!
I'm very much in the minority about this dealbreaker, but i really wish that this had a mechanical shutter and a hot shoe. The GM1 had an electronic first curtain shutter (and thus paltry 1/50th sync speed) and the GM5 got a hot shoe and both are cult classics...the S9 even looks like the GM1/GM5! My only hope now is that with the Leica D Lux 8 coming, that an LX100iii is just around the corner...
Great info about the difference between LUT’s and Recipes. I think it’s unfair to compare the S9 with the X100VI. A better comparison would be with the Fujifilm XT50. Small, light but not as compact as the X100-series because of the interchangable lenses.
Forgot to mention on the quickfire that Fuji has an EVF/OVF, Mechanical shutter, hot shoe mount, headphone input whilst Panasonic S9 hasn't. great video tho!
I find it puzzling that people choose to mimic film colours, whether that is via a Fujifilm recipe or via a LUTS. Emulating a film from the 35mm film days seems somewhat pointless if you are shooting with a digital camera Surely using a digital camera to take photos with allows you to dial in whatever look you want from each image when you edit it? If you want a film look then you should buy a roll of film… the advantage of digital is you can edit each individual image whatever way you like to get the look you were after… that’s why I shoot in RAW and never use presets or recipes editing in my own style. 🏴📸 I use my iPhone 15 Pro Max, Fujifilm X100v and Fujifilm X-T5 in RAW mode.
I don't understand why people keep comparing it to the X100V or VI. It's not like fuji don't have other interchangable lens cameras, the X-E4, X-T30, X-S10 for example.Why would I compare it to a fixed lens camera with leaf shutter, apart from the fact that it is the hottest mirorless on the market right now?
This video is 90% about just the jpeg customisation features, which are comparable. I say several times in the video these cameras are very different and likely for a different audience 😊 I'd have loved a fixed lens camera from Lumix tho!
Thanks again for being the BEST balanced and honest Camera reviewer. I am having about the desqueezing! It's all I wanted to add to my huge sirui anamorphic
Best LUT related pun... go!
When your friend creates a spiffy new present and you're like "What the LUT?" or WTL for short. 😁
I can't think of any, but I'm very happy that it LUTs like you enjoyed your time in Japan with the S9 very much!
Would love to have something like this in an affordable, not huge, IBIS filled M43 camera. Is there something like it or should I just cry? 😂
how about we LUT it go because it's a marketing gimmick
But it's got LUTs. It's what content creators crave.
You know, you could start by explaining why an acronym for Look Up Tables has come to be used for something that you no longer need to look up and has no obvious association with tables. LUT sounds like jargon because it *is* jargon. 'Recipes' sounds like they are trying too hard to sound cool, but 'real-time LUT sounds like they aren' t trying at all. '
I saLUT your work in the MFT community it is so inspiring and your nerdy puns always make a dull subjects more interesting. All the best
can you ask Panasonic to make the same camera but with M43 sensor and add a flash and mechanical shutter?
It's Dlux 8
With fix lenses
GX9 my man
Agreed g9x let's not s9 it in the dials and buttons department please!!!
Thank you for your videos about the S9! I have found them honest and informative, and I appreciate your enthusiasm! Some popular RUclipsr is saying that anyone that attended this event is only shilling for Panasonic, but unlike his videos, I have always enjoyed your happy-go-lucky, unpretentious, perspective. Thank you for doing what you do Ms. Emily!
Thank you so much for that! Yes this camera has brought out a lot of angry people, and I don't think they realise I always review small, colourful, fun cameras 😂
The Lumix S9 has people talking...Good or Bad at least people are talking about Lumix.
So true. I guess time will tell!!!!! In the mean time I love it but wish I could have a m43 version 🙏🫶📷
I pre-order one myself
an M43 version with an autofocus pancake or be able to use the previous Panasonic lenses would be a game changer. I own an XT2, EPL10 and GrIII - all serve different purposes and took time to acquire. the M43 is really that middle of road where I find i want something compact but also interchangeable. I have a Sigma 19mm 2.8mm that I would love to use with a m43 version of the S9
But are people going to purchase one?
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@@martingreenberg870I think so
the processing delay goes away on the fuji if you remove the clarity setting
... the Clarity setting is not selected by default so maybe the "film recipe" was created for the setting to be enabled. I think any seasoned Fujifilm user knows that the Clarity setting enabled yields a slight delay for processing...
Just waiting for the LX100 with realtime LUT! Love that body/styling/size, love the S9 features.
How the LUT you did this video without sounding like a Fuji hater was so impressive. Hope you're a literal ambassador for lumix, if not they're missing out. Nice concise video! Great job!
Welcome to Japan! Thank you for all your wonderful videos. I really enjoy watching them. I hope you enjoy Japan!
It's so beautiful! I don't want to leave!
Really like this channel. Excellent content always!
Every day I find it fascinating how much we want our images to look like film. I get it, I grew up on film, and routinely make things 'filmic' in LR, but it still amazes me.
Much like the resurgence in Vinyl records.
I hear flares are back in again ;)
Your amazing Emily. As a photographer myself I still always learn something new from you. Keep up the amazing work.
And you are an absoLUT gem of a youtuber - love your work!
just letting you know: 6:55 - thats only if you use clarity settings other than 0. Without clariy changed its instant like the Lumix
I'm so glad I found a solution for this! It was doing my head in 😂 thank you
@@MicroFourNerds I just want to re-affirm what he said. IT's true. Not sure why clarity adjusts on the Fuji are so expensive given how fast the Ricoh GR's do it.
Thanks a-LUT! That was a great video. I really love the concept of the in-camera luts that Panasonic has introduced.
Excellent pun! 😁🏆🎊
@@MicroFourNerds ❤
@@MicroFourNerds - Abso-LUT-ly! 🙂
So glad I found your channel !! Lots of great advice, presented well and easily digested. Has helped me loads....on thinking about...nooo....trying not to push a 'Buy' button LOL. Thank you 😁
The deley in Fuji was because you have set the clarity setting to anything other than 0. Put in on 0 and capture and storing will be instant as with S9, I am a nerd and have Fuji as well as Lumix G7 :)
Yet some recipes calls for the clarity setting to be adjusted
One of the best videos regarding the LUT feature of the S9. And your pictures are gorgeous!
I watched this and your other S9 video (and other m43 videos) and I just love your positivity and enthusiasm!! Thank you! Subscribed.
I'm a s-LUT for good tones and this seems like the best implementation yet. Especially giving a convenient way of sharing your own recipes with others is a really nice touch.
The camera itself is not intresting to me, if I want compact I don't want to lug around big full frame glass, or have to put up with manual focus, fixed and really dark aperture lenses to get something remotely compact, as that negates most full frame sensor benefits with having to raise ISO and loosing any dof I gained. But man would I love another mft camera in that format...
Love the pun! Haha yes, regardless of the camera, I hope this is a feature for future lumkx cameras and rolled back to compatible existing ones. It's fab!
You can create the recipes in the X Raw Studio app in your computer and then import them to the camera.
But number of parameters that you can change is limiting. With Panasonic you can do this on the fly on your phone plus you have much more options like HSL and RGB curves. When you sit in front of PC them you can use software of your choice to create LUT and there options are endless. This implementation is game changer.
Emily, for that process delay that you stated on the Fuji, did you change the clarity at all? For some reason changing clarity, up or down, affects the processing time. If it still does that with clarity at zero, then I don’t know why it is doing that.
That may be it, that might be part of the recipe I was using, I'll turn it off and see
@@MicroFourNerds Yes, the clarity on Fuji cameras for some reason is expensive and delays the camera. If you take that out, it shouldn't have that.
Very interesting feature indeed and I’ve been playing a lot with it the last few days on my S5 IIx. Now they only have to make a it so that you can easily convert a LUT meant for V-Log footage into a photo LUT. Or is there maybe a way that you might know? I’ve been trying around with colour space transforms in Davinci, but the results are way off.
I think if you get the LUT into the app, and then add saturation and contrast in the editor, then save it as a new LUT it should do the trick. When the s5ii gets the lut updates in-camera, where you can stack two luts, you could also layer it on top of a rec709 lut, as you probably do in editing 😊
@@MicroFourNerds oh, applying a LUT meant for photo to V-Log isn't problematic, that I can just export layered with a Rec709 transform in Davinci and it works great. Going the other way round is tricky though, because it ends up way too dark and contrasty. I tried to add a Rec 709 to v-log transform to go from a video LUT to photo and that didn't work at all, the colours were all wonky. I do have the same set of LUTs as a Lightroom presets without the transforms though, so I guess I'll try to convert that with the method you show in the other video. Your videos on the subject have been excellent help, thank you!
I just adjust my pictures in Capture one. Lack of profiles etc its not s problem for me. But other issues are more important. Even tho fuji is not my favorite i would rather have it because of viewfinder nice tilt screen and mechanical shutter so no banding or weird issues with artificial lights.
I like what Pany have done with LUTs. But, I need more in a camera than the S9 offers.
I have the X100V, it in no way can be compared with the S9. The X100V has its own vibe. The viewfinder alone is an engineering wonder.
It's so good that viewfinder! When I first looked in it I thought well this is a camera from the future haha
Love the video Emily! Thanks.
One thing I’d throw out there (sort of in Panasonic’s defense I guess?) is that the terminology of recipes I’m pretty sure was popularized by users (not Fuji themselves). Hopefully we as Lumix users can come up with our own cool thing 😂
Do you know if Canon has anything similar to that? ☺️
Funny how Olympus essentially had all of this with the Pen F and Olympus Workspace.
It's why they're still so expensive. ;)
No, not really. Olympus didn't have LUTS- they had some aspects of that but not the whole thing. They didn't have the MP4 lite, open gate, and a workflow designed to upload to social media direct.
I like the PenF color and options, but it's really not quite the same thing.
That said, for photography, this camera missing any form of mechanical shutter can be a big problem, particularly shooting at night.
Where I wonder is, how exactly is this doing this workflow better than an iPhone at this point?
@@Raist3dbI would say, when you’re shootings a quick snap for IG or a small print, the phone offers superior speed and rapid focusing. I use my phone for this use-case routinely, as I think we all do. If that’s where your photography stops - no problem!
But as soon as you want to expand beyond those use-cases, the benefits of a larger sensor (1” type and up) rapidly come into play. Add interchangeable lenses and vintage lenses (with mirrorless), and there’s literally no comparison, whether you’re shooting raw or jpg or heif.
It’s all about what you shoot, and why. They both have a place.
@@JasonOverHere Well, keep in mind that the selling proposition of the camera is the workflow, and they are supposedly aiming a lot of video for content creators.
Well, that's something the iPhone does today rather well. Heck, the iPhone can even capture 4k Pro Res. And the workflow skips the step of having to transfer from camera to phone.
It's from that perspective that I am coming here- because the S9 is pushed in a sale point for this workflow.
Do keep in min- the last two presentations of Apple were the company spokes people are speaking on video, were captured on iPhone. Looks pro enough right?
@@Raist3db Yup, the competition is tight. I’m of the opinion that they’re working to pull users from the smartphone ecosystem, not trying to go head to head with it. There’s a lot to be said for a larger sensor when you’re looking for true shallow depth of field and lower light scenarios.
Definitely not arguing that the phone isn’t a superior system for rapid output. I believe they’re working to provide an alternative which cuts out colour grading (or offers that option), which Apple’s ProRes does not.
They don’t have to be better (though arguably the quality is). they just have to be provide a unique angle to get reasonable sales numbers.
I think a lot of the arguments online are basically a zero sum game. So many are assuming that if it’s not everything, it’s nothing. But that isn’t the case at all. It doesn’t have to dominate any specific market segment to succeed for Panasonic’s sales.
Time will tell!
Is possible to use real time lut on lumix s5 mark 1? thanks
I will be waiting for Lumix to come up with a M43 version of the S9.. that would be much more convenient 🎉
Hello @microfournerds , you can take your photos in RAF files (on the Fujifilm side) and edit them with X-RAW Studio (I know, it's so sloooow). Like that, you can try at home all the recipes. Last but not least, with the Fujifilm Xapp, you can backup and restore the recipes. :-)
IDK why Panasonic catches so much hell. People say 'do something different' and are mad the S9 took a different approach (pancake lens, aside). And they just did a major S5II firmware update not long ago, and that camera is like a year old, which can't be said about many other companies. It's like when everyone was madnthe G9II wasn't the size of a GX series camera lol
We are upset becouse panasonic chooses to discontinue the GX9 series.
@@georgemahlum6542 is that confirmed?
The market will decide if this was the move. Are you buying one?
Do you have these lut things also on olympus or this is specially only for Lumix? I'm wondering how low budget can i get with lut files features?
Olympus has its own filters but they are not customizable
Good point about the names
The comparison I’ve been waiting for as an X100VI owner, subbed!
I don't know who needs to hear this but, the Lumix Lab app is a game-changer and a WORKFLOW changer. The system they have in place for the S9 to get LUTS on and off the camera, adjust the luts, set new settings of the luts, send luts to friends...is amazing. Guaranteed every major camera brand copies it and starts to use something of the sort. It really is one of the main reasons why the S9 has been so fun to shoot with ! The whole process and experimentation is just fun. As an X-T5 owner, and Fuji user over the years...the simulations are cool, indeed.. But to me, the simulations feel like small tweaks..where as the LUTS on the Panasonic feel like legit CHANGES. Overhauls so to speak. They really dial it in, in camera, and I haven't had to do any post processing. I love it, and the S9 is punching above expectations, for me...personally.
the technical term real time lut + not including some cool named luts in camera already was def a marketing blunder. even "Look" sounds better and more accessible.
I totally agree. Why are the pre loaded luts in the camera called "sample lut 1" 2 &3 lol
"Look" would be so much more accessible and a relatively easy switch from "lut"
Shoutout to Magic Bullet Looks for teaching me that 12 years ago 🙏
Mmmmm agreeee, recipe is definitely a more appealing label and more simple to refer to. I think if this real-time LUT becomes more commonplace across Lumix (and maybe other brands) then we're in for an interesting future of in-camera creative luts
also I wanna be a lumixlut
😂 hashtag lumixlut 😆
I believe some parts of the real time lut application to photos is patented by lumix!
What's the priority of the LUT stacking? LUT1 is underneath LUT2?
How many weeks where you in Japan for.
Love the look and features of the s9 it looks like lot of leaning to do though !!! another great video well done 👍
So... If you shoot with a RTLut and open the raw file in LR/C1/raw-photo-editor, does the RTLut carry through and can you install the RTLut as a camera profile?
So I can't open the files in Lr until they update it on their end, usually a week or two after the camera is available, but on the Lumix Lab app, you can see the raw files and the LUT does copy over when you open it there
It’s a great concept, and I love that Panasonic took this step. I suspect to feel out the market and bring their take to the dilemma of how you get smartphone photographers back into camera gear. (And full frame to show the difference between optical and computational depth of field is arguably a wise choice.)
Good for them. Better to take this shot than to just assume you can’t reach the smartphone market.
Will LUTs be available on G9ii?
What sucks about Fujifilm custom recipes via custom settings is that they also save settings that you don't necessarily want to store such as aperture or adaptor focal length for manual lenses.
Just got GH7 and i've loaded 40 luts into the camera library. Currently testing all of them lol
Two caveats with the "S9 LUT better than Fuji film sims" -
1) first, I think there's something to be said about with the Fuji you start with a very well established baseline of excellent tone/color picks because FujiFilm has decades of experience doing film, and they based their digital film sims on the intent of the film they represent per interviews. As far as simplicity goes, I rather start with that well researched baseline rather than me trying to guess what curves/tones/etc. I need to do to get to them. That over time can be worked around with everyone creating/exchanging the LUTS.
2) Now, the unique Fuji thing- the parameters that Panasonic provides for custom LUTS I have seen do not do all the Fujifilm sims do- at least for one specific one- Across. Across has a certain grain, and there was a whole article on how Fuji programmed it in such a way that the variation of the grain varies per the areas of luminosity/tone of the photo. Custom LUTS doesn't get you that kind of look or result.
I am not sure how much the color film sims are also affected in a non linear, non obvious ways too, that are not represented by the LUT parameters of the Panasonic App/System. As a side comment - I like they (Panasonic) have grain, but doesn't seem like the grain has a size parameter like it does on the Fuji.
I really like what Panasonic did in terms of the UI, customization, creation and sharing of the LUTs. Particularly the sharing part, is great. And maybe they may further put more parameters for the LUT creations, but the point is- what Fujifilm did, at least for the Across film sim is not a simple "color look up table with curves adjusted" and I do wonder how many if any of their color film sims have similar custom programmed adjustments that are not a simple LUT set of parameters.
And likewise on the pro-LUT side, as you mention towards the end of your video, you can do things like that teal & turquoise or such blue combo.
One thing to consider: You can do all the JPEG parameters adjustments Fuji has in-camera. I wish Panasonic provided for a way to create the LUTS directly on the S9 without the need of the phone.
To add to your first point, Lumix should have created around 5 or 7, good base Luts, to get beginners started. Now either they only get the 3 medium one in camera or they have to risk to get drowned in the sea of luts via the app. Even if there are very good luts created, how am i supposed to find them?
It makes it less beginner friendly.
@@showdaKOs I thought about that you said. I think from what they are showing us (the RUclipsrs that went there), seems like the App has a reasonable discoverability of some starter good looking LUTS. But I would have preferred they gave some in-camera, though the standard "Panasonic film sims" at this point I guess could be used as starting point? Still, something to be said about Fujifilm having some very known baselines.
You're doing a great job with these reviews and insights. It was a big mistake for Lumix to offer that little cheap lens on the S9 on launch. I shoot with S5, but there's no point in using that camera with a big lens.
As you said in a different video that size camera really benefits from a M4/3 sensor, as the lenses are small and high-quality.
Full frame is nice, but it requires bigger lenses .
Great video. What was the walk and talk filmed on?
All filmed on the DJI Pocket 3 😊
Can you bracket the Lumix Looks to instantly get multiple looks to an image?
Good question, I'm not sure that you can in camera, but once you send the image to the app your lut presets are there and you can change it however you like
@@MicroFourNerds Thanks for the quick reply. You can bracket Film Recipes on Fujifilm. That said, I do like to concentrate on one look at a time to see how I can take advantage of it. Like using one prime for the day.
Can you make a video going over everything in the Lumix app. Would love to see how it works and.what you can adjust. Would be cool to see how you can make a lut in Lightroom and then import it into the camera. I wish Fuji had a better app with a recipe store and a easy way to transfer them to the camera. I use Fuji xraw on my desktop to make my own recipes, you can also use it to transfer them to your camera.
Perfect camera. Great video of yours as usual
Might be one of the most helpful videos thanks
Did you film youself with the DJI Pocket 3? And if so, can you use the same luts for both DJI log and S9 log to match footage?
I did film this with the pocket 3. I love it for getting work like this done on the go! I'm still trying to figure out how I like to colour grade the footage. I tend to add a "cine d to v-log" conversion lut, then grade it how I grade everything else. Still a work in progress tho for sure
@@MicroFourNerds You’re doing a great job with the grading. It looks really nice. Keep up the great work 👍
I shoot 4/3rds but I don't understand the negativity surrounding the camera release. Other brands do it without A lot of fuss. Looking forward to an S1 refresh too. 😊
A couple comments. I’ve had the X100v pretty much since it was introduced. The delay goes away if you don’t use the clarity setting, and you can always add it back if you want later, in camera or in the app, if what you’re shooting requires no delay. I almost never use the clarity and it’s fine.
The Fuji app is garbage and if they fixed that, things would be so much easier. So may issues with the app, including folks bricking their camera trying to update with it. It could be an easy way to grab, share, and upload recipes to the custom settings, then quickly get content out to social media, your photo store, or wherever, but no. That’s a serious missed opportunity and maybe the Lut wars will finally make that happen.
I don’t understand making a camera that’s obviously designed for video bloggers/youtubers/whatever and then making it so limited for those creators. That’s just dumb. It’s super niche for over sharing narcissists, shorts creators, and ?. Not me, who never shoots video. When I want video I use the iPhone 15 pro max. lol!
No mechanical shutter with that set up is also a non starter for so many. Seriously. Next! They missed an important opportunity and shut out a lot of potential buyers to drop the cost $50 or $100. That’s penny wise and pound foolish right there.
I’d love a FF small camera to compete with the x100v/vi that was geared more for photographers, with Panasonic IBIS, those lenses, seriously, let’s go! I could get an S5ii, but I already have a OM-1 and use that for my travel/adventure photography.
I was so excited, until I heard the details. The x100v was 1/2 way out the door and I was ready to spend the end of fiscal year bonus on some lenses. 😢
Wellcome to Japan, Osaka is very match cyberpunk look
I have question
Can I use download only luts from app to use with s5ii?
The LUTs feature is great, pitty that it got bundled with a bizarrely crippled camera.
The same feature is in the LUMIX S5 II, there just isn’t a LUT button on it and it will still take a little while until the app for the LUTs is compatible with it. It’s a cracking feature. Didn’t know it existed when I bought the camera and was like, woah, this is cool!
That Lumix app looks cool!
Do you think that the S9 body style is the only way we’ll see PDAF in a “smaller” Panasonic MFT camera?
Panasonic has already cut up the S5ii to make the S9, so it follows that they might repeat this to turn a G9ii (same body as the S5ii) into a GX10.
Obviously we'd like a smaller option, like the GX9, (or the larger GX8) style body. The G100 body is probably too small, so you’d need to start over if you aimed there. There are definitely more challenges upgrading the GX body than stripping the G9ii, as you’d need to fit the new sensor and processor requirements into an already crammed body.
I think that if you adapted the S9 body style you could make a killer MFT camera with PDAF that would blow the X100Vi out of the water. The smaller MFT sensor means you could put back in a viewfinder, and a working hotshoe. The price point would be similar to the S9 but you would have a lot more photographer friendly features, and maybe some LUTS.
Panasonic please bring LUTs to your older rangefinder cameras like the gx85, gx9 etc.
Will the new lab app also be available for S5II?
I belive the intention is to merge Lumix Sync with the new app for everyone, but not sure which features will be available for which cameras at this time
so happy to find this channel. I got into MFT way back when Olympus had their first pen epl1. I still have that machine, it is really a good pne. I stopped taking photos but want to continue. Post processing is sometimes fun but I am tired of it. Looking for another MFT. I wish Olympus had that easy amazing post processing readily available like Fuji or Lumix. I want to stay with MFT because of the form factor. Lenses are much cheaper and smaller from what I see. Not very eager to get on to bigger form factor
You can have LUTs for all Fuji Film Simulation, right?
If it's the "colors" you want then there's not reason to buy a Fuji camera.
Excellent video comparing the approaches Fuji and Lumix are taking to this in-camera processing trend. While the S9 has plenty of camera shortcomings, I think they are offering a wider path forward. It’s going to be interesting to see where this all goes. Thanks for this very smart video!
The s9 to simply put it is a camera to capture and share moments between friends, family and social media. Quickly and efficiently.
RTL is hands down so much fun with the Lumix Lab App🙌🏻
It does seem reviewers who were a bit disappointed in specs all seemed to actually have fun using the camera, which says a lot. And it did seem to me that the green version produced the best results! For me, I will wait and see how folks feel after using for a few months. Btw..liked that Streetwise LUT!
At the end of the day as a comparison between these two, I think of it as "Do I need better video and lens changing?" Then Lumix looks compelling. If you're like me where you do 99% photo stuff, the X100 bodies are probably good enough. I just got my X100VI in which is great but then I saw the S9 stuff come out so I might have to check it out myself just in case I need a compact hybrid to carry.
Plus, with the S9 you can use the whole collection of tiny M43 lenses that you've been building up for yea-- oh no, wait😔. It looks like quite a small camera (though Emily's suggestion in her earlier video that this is almost the updated GM1 that everyone says they want is a bit of a stretch) but pretty muck any lens is going yo take the bulk up considerably, particularly when you realise that the lens it's pictured with is a fixed f8, manual focus (so essentially like the Olympus body-cap lenses).
what camera are you using to record yourself here, the s9?
Pocket 3. Haven't quite got the hang of colour grading thr footage from it yet!
@@MicroFourNerds Looks good. I really think it's the future. Imagine a pocket 4 with 2 separate lenses. The standard 21mm plus a 50 or 85mm. Talk about a market killer.
I'd love to see a more photocentric s9 in the future, with a small flash, two proper dials for exposure adjustments and maybe a custom one. And a leaf shutter... Maybe something like the ricoh GR... No interchangeable lens but a wide and a normal option.
Ooo that would be epic
Lifetime Canon shooter, very happy with my R5. But this little S9 has me looking into the Lumix S system! I wish Canon would update their RP into something like the S9. It seems like a wonderful camera. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
please do a size comparison to the GM1 and GX85 when you get a chance. (Im pretty much sold on the camera tho)
Very cool.
My big hope is that this release pushes sigma to launch a Sigma FP/L mark II where we get IBIS and a tilt screen with improved rolling shutter performance. Because as it stands, the Lumix S9 is basically sort of an updated Sigma FP with some very nice features for hybrid shooters, so I feel like Sigma has to release something.
Does the new S9 have focus stacking/bracketing in macro?
You can automate stacking in camera, but it saves as raw files so you need to stack them in photoshop (which is one click)
@@MicroFourNerds
That is great!
Thanks
Panasonic are cooking ?! 👀
I'm warming to this idea of Real-time LUT's now that I understand that they are baked into the JPEG and not the RAW files. I stupidly thought that the LUTS were baked into the RAW files.
Maybe if Lumix had rebranded the concept as a look/filter/style then they would have been easier for my little brain to understand. Probably why Fuji called them Recipes and not LUTs?
As for video work, I occasionally dabble with LUTs or artistic looks, however this is done using Davinci Resolve software rather than an in-camera LUT. I realise that several LUTS are pre-loaded into Panasonic cameras and given user friendly names like Natural or vivid for simplicity when filming. I actually prefer the look of Panasonic's own Colour Science, with the vLog Colour Space, when its mathematically mapped out to the REC 709 colour space of my computer monitor.
I'm still scared of using LUTs or artistic grades in my film work because I'm more likely to make a dog's dinner than an artistic master piece created by professional Colourists. There is a reason I do this for a hobby and Colourists get paid. 🤣
I am proud to toot my own horn again and say since the start of real time lut I saw the potential for photo! For video? Nah!!!! It's too easy to clip highlights and styles change over time. I've recently re edited my raw files from 2017 and they look epic now and so dated with how I edited previously.
But for photo!!! When you can choose today's styles for quick jpegs, and bank the raws for just in case? Sign me up!
@@MicroFourNerds The penny did not drop for me until I experimented with the Leica Black and White profile. I stupidly thought that I'd get a B&W RAW file. How wrong I was.
£5k+ for a Leica monochrome or G9m2 with a Leica LUT for considerably less?
Bit of a no brainer.
I agree with filming using a LUT or colour profile, too much detail is thrown away in the highlights and shadows especially when the exposure is messed up in-camera.
VLog is much more forgiving to recover highlights.
G9 user, so carrying that bias. When I don't love about the G9 turns out to be touch screens, and the view finder being in the middle vs off to the left edge. ( nose in the way )
So I end up taking most of the pictures vertical and cropping 1:1.
The fuji potentially solves this.
Too much investment in M43 to change but I now understand the attraction.
Your photos of Japan are amazing.
Thank you! 😊
An MFT camera with Real Time LUT would be epic.
I love Lumix but i really dont understand what Panasonic wants with this camera and the way Panasonic is pushing content creators to talk about this camera is getting cringe
It's a "shoot and share" camera that definitely isn't for everyone. It'll fit some people's needs perfectly, and leave some people scratching their heads.
As for Panasonic pushing creators, this is just a load of bollocks. Im sorry but it is. It's doing my head in 😂 every brand under the sun has press events, yet it only seems to be Panasonic being punished for it. There is no requirement for any of us who went to make content. Panasonic aren't pushing anything. They're not asking anyone to say anything. They never do.
I sincerely hope Sony gets the same flack the next time they release a camera with a press event, like they've also done for years, at a lot higher scale and volume than Panasonic. But something tells me they won't.
s9 is still in its early stage, I will most likely wait for S9 2 when the body improve a bit more else jump to S5II instead, as I have a bigger hand. Personally, I think Xs10/XS20 is in the sweet spot of camera size and ergonomic for a everyday+ camera.
Yes imagine where this range will go. Like, the jump between s5 and s5ii! Crazy
The S9 basically reminds me of the GX1 launch with the 14-42mm and 14mm kit options at launch. I feel like the 14mm on a GX9 almost gets m43 the same camera. Imagine an updated m43 rangefinder body (w/ a good OLED EVF option) paired with the 14mm pancake. Now we have an S9 killer lol.
This. Lumix needs to give us a similar body to the GX8 or 9 with an updated EVF and Real Time Luts, that would be an incredibly compelling option, even if it's m43 with all those amazing lenses.
Realtime LUT seems very interesting. I do wanna know how much banding I would get from S9's electronic shutter. Can you at some point do some indoor photoshoot testing?
I will always watch an Emily video even though this camera is not B-lutty for me. BTW you are looking a bit stealthy lately. I am noticing. You go girl!!👍
I've been playing with the built in creative colours of the cameras I own to just streamline my shooting a bit and this LUT thing seems amazing. Unfortunately the S9 is 2100 euro in Sweden 😭
already invested in the fuji system.. i wish they had real time luts to give us more freedom :(
Tanks a LUT! I will keep with my various M43 camera bodies and my Z5 when I want to use FF. Good video by the way, like always.
i thought Recipe terms not coined by Fujifilm itself but by the user.
That's so interesting. It's a genius word either way! Wouldn't it be funny if the biggest selling point of fujifilm cameras happened by accident. Created by their users!
@@MicroFourNerds yes, lets hope one of your Lut pun become popular and use by many 😄
I'm very much in the minority about this dealbreaker, but i really wish that this had a mechanical shutter and a hot shoe. The GM1 had an electronic first curtain shutter (and thus paltry 1/50th sync speed) and the GM5 got a hot shoe and both are cult classics...the S9 even looks like the GM1/GM5! My only hope now is that with the Leica D Lux 8 coming, that an LX100iii is just around the corner...
nice work 👍 and Japan so many photographic opportunities
The term "Customisable" has made people's heart beat crazily.
Great info about the difference between LUT’s and Recipes. I think it’s unfair to compare the S9 with the X100VI. A better comparison would be with the Fujifilm XT50. Small, light but not as compact as the X100-series because of the interchangable lenses.
Forgot to mention on the quickfire that Fuji has an EVF/OVF, Mechanical shutter, hot shoe mount, headphone input whilst Panasonic S9 hasn't.
great video tho!
I find it puzzling that people choose to mimic film colours, whether that is via a Fujifilm recipe or via a LUTS.
Emulating a film from the 35mm film days seems somewhat pointless if you are shooting with a digital camera
Surely using a digital camera to take photos with allows you to dial in whatever look you want from each image when you edit it?
If you want a film look then you should buy a roll of film… the advantage of digital is you can edit each individual image whatever way you like to get the look you were after… that’s why I shoot in RAW and never use presets or recipes editing in my own style. 🏴📸
I use my iPhone 15 Pro Max, Fujifilm X100v and Fujifilm X-T5 in RAW mode.
I don't understand why people keep comparing it to the X100V or VI. It's not like fuji don't have other interchangable lens cameras, the X-E4, X-T30, X-S10 for example.Why would I compare it to a fixed lens camera with leaf shutter, apart from the fact that it is the hottest mirorless on the market right now?
This video is 90% about just the jpeg customisation features, which are comparable. I say several times in the video these cameras are very different and likely for a different audience 😊 I'd have loved a fixed lens camera from Lumix tho!
Fuji has ibs as well
Not the x100v, the x100vi does tho 😊
@@MicroFourNerds ok tanks just comfuse
v and vi .i dnot know why not x100 5 and x100 6 😁
I was disappointed aLUT with the S9! Would have been ok with everything except for the COLD 🥶 shoe!!!! Oh the X100VI does have IBIS.😅
This is the x100v! I know the x100vi solves a lot of the shortcomings 😊
Sorry I missed it's the V not VI. The saving grace for the s9 if it can handle anamorphic but that would be asking too much I guess
@larryzapata2614 it can, there's 6k open gate and anamorphic desqueezing. It may not be my first choice given most anamorphic lenses are huge tho!
Thanks again for being the BEST balanced and honest Camera reviewer. I am having about the desqueezing! It's all I wanted to add to my huge sirui anamorphic
As long as you are testing S9, you do not drive up MFT camera or lens prices 😅
idk if fuji uses the ”recipe” term, only film simulations
Coming from an Olympus Pen-F and EM-10 user, if they created a M43 version of this I'll immediately jump on this!