Cap’n, This was fascinating. As a Southwest Airlines retiree I had the opportunity to ride jumpseat even though I was a ground crew supervisor. (A HUGE favor to me from pilots I knew.) We flew into Dallas Love KDAL with vis so low I didn’t see the rwy lights until we were there. They were a perfectly balanced team. It was a beautifully balanced dance between electronics, mechanical and flesh and blood. It was literally awesome. As a long time private pilot w inst/comm I felt like an eight year old in back of PhDs. Thanks for all your vids.
The more I watch these tutorials, the more I understand what you are doing. Getting there - not at 100% but getting closer. You move fast but again - slowly understanding it all.
Hi Twenty Five Hundred, thanks a lot!! After similar comment I've tweaked the recording volume of both FSX any my microphone. You should find me newer tutorials even clearer! Have a great day! FD2S
Great tutorial. I watched this months ago but recently tried an autoland on several occasions without success. I’ve just mirrored this flight to East Midlands and finally managed to get the autoland to work thanks to following your step by step instructions! Really appreciate the effort you put in to making these.
I need to figure out where I was going wrong. I think it might have been because I was configuring the Course heading to what the charts said instead of the ILS? In you tutorial ILS is set to 270 but Navigraph has 269.
I get the regular updates from Navigraph and can see the latest dates in the FMC. It seems that the charts in the app are slightly out though as they say 269? I think I had issues with Stansted and looking at SkyVector, it has runway 22 as 224 and Navigraph 223! Is the answer to trust the FMC heading? I can see Jeppesen date on the chart is Sep 16 for Stansted.
very interesting tutorial. i never thought that you could arm the APP without being established on the LOC. I normally armed the APP when established on the localizer. i will definitely be doing things different from now on. thank you very much for these videos.
I'm slowly working my way through all of your videos. I have to say I find them to be excellent. Great in depth level of detail and really enhancing the way I operate the NGX in the virtual skies. Please keep them coming. Thanks
Hi Glenn, thanks a lot! I've squeezed as much information as I possibly could so everyone can see how it's done by one operator in real life! You can expect plenty of content in the future. All the best! FD2S.
I finally did a full Zibo 737 flight tonight KLAX to KSEA, and managed to get the full Autoland to function and bring the plane in, no sweat. I was astonished. I just wish XPlane per se was working all that well, which, to be honest, it never is. I'm less than enthralled with a lot of it. But, this flight went great, so I was chuffed.
Hey flightdeck2sim. Thanks a lot for this tutorial. In my opinion the explaination could be a bit slower but beside this all is fine. For me as a "beginner" (approx 200 hours in x plane), sometimes it wasn´t easy to follow. Thanks again
Interesting, I was always taught in my instrument training to get established on the localizer first, and then intercept the glideslope from below. In the video you were using VS to simply follow the glideslope long before localizer capture. I suppose in the case of airline ops this is more desirable. A constant idle descent from cruise is much more fuel efficient, and a lot more safe and stabilized than the gazillion step downs we find ourselves doing when getting our instrument ratings.
Hi EnDSchultz. Have you heard of CDA? Continuous Descent Approach's are flown primarily to reduce the environmental impact of the aircraft (noise and fuel burn). To expand on this below FL100 we always try to avoid any level segment so we adjust the vertical speed accordingly, primarily by using V/S. Additionally we also try to achieve a Low Drag Approach (LDA) to further reduce the environmental impact, ideally we want the thrust lever to be at idle from TOD all the way until a 4nm final! Although not mandatory it is certainly desired and a lot of airports monitor aircraft for CDA compliance and can sometimes fine airlines for non compliance! Sometimes it's simply impossible due to perhaps an altitude restriction. FD2S
As a fellow pilot I really appreciate your channel. You inspire aspiring pilots as well as flightsimulator enthusiasts👌 Well done. One question about the roll-out. I believe you can actually leave the autopilots in until after nosewheel touchdown as the autoland should take care of that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Safe landings✈
I learned the most from ur video. They are very concise, step to step guide, and extremely professional! It'd be nice if you could make the graphic/texture quality a little bit better :) Also, sometimes I don't fully understand all the jargons u use, so it would probably be helpful if u could put some reference links below ur videos? Anyway, great work. Look forward to new tutorials!
hi, i follow you on Instagram ur à really source of motivation for me 😊 love ur "tutos" continue that it really usefull to have professional videos to learn who to fly, thanks 1000 times ans good continuation :)
Great tutorial as always, loved it. I have two questions : 1) Where did you find the RVR? Did you get it from the ATIS or METAR? Or maybe the ATC? 2)Why did you select 3100 ft on the MCP altitude (Missed Approach Altitude + 100) while on the taxiway? Thanks captain
Nice to see people watching these oldies haha! Thank you! 1. RVR is on both the ATIS and METAR and is also reported by ATC. 2. For the next sector we set the nearest 1000ft +100ft as a reminder we haven't got the ATC Clearance yet. We then set then cleared altitude after we have our clearance. FD2S
I use XPlane 11 and I am a newbie to aviation and fell in love with Boeing 737-800 it is a remarkable Aircraft easily controllable even its size. You are a good mentour but could you please make a content excactly steps step by step with short explanation of each step and setting up each step after explanation. I did 2 or 3 successfull ILS autopilot landings but sometimes I cant intercept Glide Slope. As I understand from your video we should always use two auto pilots to auto land with VOR Lock + Approach? Could you please explain in simple minimum required steps for autoland?
OMG Thank you for you hard work and time that you managed to do again the same after FSX Crash Lol this autoland system lands much beter then me. hahaaha
Thanks for the great video(s). As an OLD retired air traffic controller, I am curious as to how often in the real world you follow the full STAR vs receiving vectors. As a simmer, I never liked some of the abrupt intercept angles that the STARS sometimes dictate. As a result I have been using HDG SEL vs LNAV within 10 - 20 nm of the airport for a 30 - 35 degree intercept of the ILS. (Old habits die hard I guess). How realistic is my method now that most major airports publish STARS?
Hi Bernard! Certainly here in Europe it really depends where you are. In some countries it's unusual to complete a STAR in it's entirety and you're very likely to be vectored at some point off the arrival. At some airports you can expect to do the full arrival and transition onto approach (especially if they have no radar). It really varies hugely from each airport and some airports might do something one day and then something completely different the next! Some STAR's are not designed to put you on an intercept to an Approach, some of the airports I've flown to have the STAR terminate at a holding point near the airfield, just like in this tutorial! Hope I helped answer your query! flightdeck2sim
Awesome video! I’m having a problem, on a ILS approach, why do my autopilot lights turn off? On the PFD it says all the modes are engaged, but on the autopilot the lights are off. Thank you!
Hi, Would be a great idea if there is a Telegram groupchat, so that pilots and aspiring pilots could share their knowledge and latest update on the 737 development. I’ve seen similar groupchat for the A320.
I was about to ding you for this being a simulation, but I think the information is mostly valid, but it would be cool if you would include in the topic it is what it is...
Great tutorial. Am curious though; regarding the stby ISFD at 11:55 you mention that it may be used to monitor your glideslope at 90* intercept. Is the stby ISFD able to differentiate between a false glideslope versus the correct glideslope?
eeeey man love ir vidz excellent work, well explain i learn a Lot of things with ur tutorials, could u please make a tutorial of VOR A approach? i live in México and there is an airport call Zihuatanejo (mmzh) it requires that kind of approach it Is very fun to land there, keep it up the good work and cheersss
If I use FSX and the PMDG 737/777, I unplug the Internet to stop incoming messages or adverts from crashing the sim. Maybe thats what caused your problem.
Hahaa... :-) it's closed again (for a couple of years?!?) so you won't pass the tower by plane anymore. Could send you a FollowMe for pickup from the North :-)
Thanks. This was really helpful. Is there such thing as an RNAV autoland? In theory, this should be possible, no? Modern GPS receivers are pretty accurate and should be able to provide a precise glideslope all the way down to the runway? Thanks.
Hi Vimal. As far as know it's only available off an ILS, I might be wrong but it's certainly the case here. You are quite right regarding the accuracy of GPS. Whenever we use the FMC for a Approach (RNAV/VOR or NDB) the aircraft is always flown exactly where it should be. FD2S
Wow that was a fail passive autoland perfectly done and as always i have a question. Why is it required to keep the landing roll until the end of the runway when LVP is in effect ? Thanks.
Fantastic video! I just didn’t get one thing! After your Fs crashed and you restarted it, you had already captured the glide slope and localizer , both auto pilots were engagd, but the APP switch was off. So how is that working?!?!?!?
Hi Pouya, This is completely normal. Fully established on the ILS (The APP light on the MCP extinguishes after G/S capture) with the A/P engaged. Remember the light on the MCP just means the mode can be deselected, you need to check your FMA on the MCP to see which mode is engaged! FD2S
Hello, Thanks for excellent video tutor. I`ve issue during this operation with me, there isnot glide slope icons when straight ILS zone and line if not activate APP button. in your video you have glide slope without APP activate. Problem comes through already APP is activated and I am unable to tracked the slope , which button must activate to intercept them?
Hello! The flare indicator that you talk about in 18:34 isn t indicated in my PMDG 737 for p3d. What should I do to appear this indicator that counts the feet to landing ? Thanks and sorry for my english.
Hi thanks for the video ,it was very informative. I have a question about the auto throttle on the real aircraft. When I set throttle to idle and disconnect the auto throttle at 500ft the engine would not idle unless I move the throttles up and down to idle again . Is this a PMDG thing or would this happen for real .. Really would like to know Thank you
It's a general sim thing. The real thrust lever would move along with autothrust adjustments, whereas your throttle on the pc stays where it is. Once you disengage, the pc throttle and the sim will syncronise through your first input.
Hi UnBarredBear, thanks! It's mentioned at 5:15, When operating in LVP's at EMA after landing you must vacate RW27 at G2 (The end of the runway) All the best! FD2S.
As usual, this video is unique in its high quality. Thumbs up! Since the dual channel AP applies some nose-up trimming, I wonder if there is something that the pilot should/shouldn't do? The handling will be quite different from a properly trimmed aircraft during a manual landing. Is the pilot allowed to disconnect the AP (assuming no equipment failure) and continue landing manually? Or if they do so, they must go around?
Once you have decided to fly to an Autoland, certainly for my company, you must fly it to completion even if the weather improves UNLESS you're flying a practice Autoland in VMC and you have some sort of equipment failure you can continue the approach if you have visual contact with the runway. flightdeck2sim
This makes a lot of sense! Thanks a lot for the reply. Last few weeks, I flew a lot of FlightFactor 757-200 v2 in X Plane (that's the airliner closed to PMDG in X Plane). I found it very difficult to land the plane after disconnecting the AP on a LAND 3 and nose-up trim applied. I guess if I plane to disconnect the AP, I shall only use one AP. Thanks again.
That sounds like some sort of failure operational system to me, unfamiliar with the 757 and it's autoland system so can't help you much on that one! flightdeck2sim
In the PMDG is it mandatory to disconnect A.P immediately after touchdown during this Auto Landing? Or can we continue even after touchdown with the A.P Engaged?
You can leave the A/p engaged for the Fail Operational Autoland System which you can select as an option in the NGX. I use the Fail Passive System which is used by my operator, it has no roll-out feature after touchdown. FD2S
Hello noob here, Can anyone explain to me how do I compensate for surface wind conditions? When I fly CAT III on X-Plane, I always find my B378 wobbling in mid air and falling short of the runway, causing me to Go Around. I have the correct flap/speed references and right frequencies tuned. I also input the surface wind correctly given by 124thATC. I notice there's something in the scratchpad saying "WIND CORR +05KT" at the bottom of the landing page. What does this mean and how do I use it? Could this be the reason I'm undershooting the runway?
Hello sir...i have seen a lot of your videos...what do you think about the PMDG NGXu...what would you say about it sir? I am really keen to know your thoughts...Is the ZIBO better here too?
The NGX is a complete product. It’s extremely immersive with all the systems modelled accurately and if you want to simulate every detail, practice non-normal situations as realistically as possible I'd still recommend its use What the ZIBO MOD does it brings pretty much all the functionality you need from a typical sector from A to B but it takes advantage of XP11's aerodynamic flight model called blade element theory. If someone like ZIBO or any developer takes the time to build an accurate replication of the a real aircraft it will model all the forces/moments in real time and within the confines of a desktop simulator, pretty accurately. Things like crosswinds, secondary effects of flight controls, feel really life like and this has the affect of making The ZIBO MOD feels like flying a real 737 hence why I switched platforms. FSX/P3D replicate real performance by using data in a table and works to a degree but it makes the aircraft feel very static and fly like it's on rails. Cheers! FD2S
I had a look into GSX but I just want to show you guys how to fly the aircraft, you guys can invest in these products to make it as immersive as possible! Take care! flightdeck2sim.
Hi Dale! Absolutely! You can conduct a "PRACTICE" Autoland onto any runway equipped with an ILS, it does not need to have CATIII Lighting or Protection but you must be fully visual. Good luck! FD2S
Watching the video I notice that your version of the 737 has the HGS panel missing from the Central Pedestal. I usually set the panel for autoland but now realise that the HGS setting improves pilot situational awareness when using the HUD. Is this correct? I do not use the HUD often I will have to give it a go
Hi Clive. Our fleet are not fitted with a HUD so no HGS Panel on the pedestal. That's why I've de-selected the option! Would love to try it out in real life! FD2S
Hi Fastsilver. DECEL is just the point at which VNAV wants to reduce to the next target speed for the approach or perhaps a speed restriction in the FMC. It wouldn't typically require speedbrake. If using VNAV and on profile the aircraft will pitch up slightly to reduce to the next target airspeed. Generally Flap 1 selected just prior to 10nm but they can be configured at any point by the PF. FD2S
Thank you. And what about the flaps, on many youtube videos I've seen that many flight simmers use a specific flap configuration : Flaps 1 : At Decel point, when the plane reaches the ''Up'' speed. Flaps 5: When the plane reaches the ''1'' speed. Flaps 15 : At 10 nm from the airport or when the glideslope comes to live ( I mostly use the 10 nm method). Flaps 30 : 5 nm from the airport or when the glideslope intercepts (Usually go for 5 nm method ) Is this a good method ?? i am always confused.
thanks for the informative reply. Another quick question. Does the real 737 "float" on landing the way the NGX does, or is it just my landing technique? I sometimes (most times) leave a lot of good runway behind me b4 touch down. :-(
A lot of variables deciding if you'll float in real life or not! Generally if you carry too much speed it will have a tendency to float but if you check/flare at VREF or less you can expect a firm landing! Our approach speed is between VREF+5 and VREF+15 dependent on the Headwind component.
It's just practice in the NGX. I found it more of a floater than previous add ons in the sim, but I suspect that is realistic compared to those other planes. I find complaints of floating are due to flight simmers desire to "grease" a landing. Virtual airlines seem to really perpetuate this problem by monitoring vertical speed on touchdown. Otherwise, in the NGX there seems to be little amount of back pressure needed to touchdown correctly. A ton of add ons I've had in the past seemed to require a good deal of back pressure to flare and essentially drop onto the runway nicely. The NGX will totally level out or climb if you flare too much. Drop your throttle at the right time and pull back very slightly, and I mean slightly. I find that if you are fast like the -800 or -900 will be than you can drop the throttle at the 30 call-out. Slower approaches like the -600 and -700 have you can do it around 20 feel. Just practice. It also helps immensely to have a yoke instead of a joystick IMO. I can have a pretty sloppy final and still make a near perfect landing now. If you think this is hard, purchase the Majestic Dash-8. Beautiful plane and a handful to fly, but you have to leave the throttle up for landing or you will just drop. That bird can be a lot harder when you are use to dropping the throttle like every other plane out there.
Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I very recently (yesterday) recalibrated the elevator axis using FSUIPC. I pulled back on the physical yoke slightly to where there was a bit more resistance and set the axis centre (idle) position at that point. Subsequent landings when sensing that bit of resistance has made it easier to minimize the flare angle. I transitioned to the NGX from the Quality Wings Avros which are easier to land, perhaps because of the high wing reducing the ground effect or the modeling not being as accurate as the PMDG. Sort of like moving from RW high wing Cessnas to low wing Pipers. Took me a while many years ago to somewhat master that technique as well.
For the Fail Passive system and based on my companies procedures yes! The A/T will disconnect two seconds after touchdown so it makes no difference with regards to A/T. If you're using the fail operational system which I'm unfamiliar with I believe it has a roll-out feature, whether you the disconnect the A/P in this instance I'm not sure! flightdeck2sim.
Hi :) If you were doing Cat II (not III) approach, is autoland mandatory, like in cat III, or can you swich to visual near the runway and land manually? Also, can you make an autoland on Cat I only runway? If yes, would you notify ATC/ ask them for permission or something like that? Except for higher minimums, would the Cat I autoland differ somehow from Cat III? Thanks in advance and really appreciate all your previous responses to my questions :)
Hi Konrad. Where I work CAT II does require a mandatory autoland. You can conduct a "practice" Autoland off any ILS regardless of category but there are limitations regarding visibility. The aircraft can do it on just a standard CAT I ILS, what differs is the protection zones, lighting and backup requirements for CAT II/III approval. FD2S
What are the weather conditions, below which you decide to go CAT II/III? Is it when weather gets below Cat I minima (RVR 550m) or sth different? Also, does ceiling matter? For example, if there is OVC001 or OVC002 but good RVR/visibility, is it required/recommended for you to do CAT II/III autoland? As always thank you for answering all my questions, looking forward to your answer on this one, wish you safe flying :)
Konrad Dołowy always try and do the lowest capable to improve your chances of being able to land. Cat II instead of III will be due to some sort of unserviceability. FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim That clarifies things, thank you for response. However, what I actually meant was: when you are mid air and do approach brief, how do you decide if you will make standard ILS cat I with one autopilot and manual landing - or cat II/III autoland? In other words, how bad the weather must be(RVR? Ceiling?) at dest. for you to choose autoland?
I need ur help...why is it that it is so difficult for me to land on the center line...? Every time after I disengage my AP, my plane will drift to the left a little bit and many times I landed on the grass...
Hi Joe, Practice makes perfect! Start with smaller aircraft and work your way up to larger aircraft. React to small changes, keep at it and your landings will improve! Remember any landing you can walk away from is a good one 👍🏼 FD2S
I Have a question when you were at FL080 and set the descent do 3000 you set the QNH is it when you are cleared To descent below TA?or when you pass TA?
Mi Mati. When cleared to descend to an altitude we immediately set the QNH, you don't need to descend past the transition altitude. On departure the same applies, we set STD typically after the flaps are up if our stop altitude is a FL. Good Luck! FD2S.
Hi Slammer, We use Engine Anti-Ice in Icing Conditions. Icing conditions are defined by my operator as "An OAT or TAT below 10C or below and any of the following exist - visible moisture, clouds, fog with visibility less than 1600m, rain, snow, sleet, ice, snow etc" FD2S
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but just to clear things up for me, is it possible to do an autoland on any runway in FSX, even if it is technically not certified as CAT lll? Thanks in advance!
Hello! A runway does not need to be CATII/III equipped to conduct an Autoland in the 738, the aircraft can do it on just a standard CAT I ILS, what differs is the protection zones, lighting and backup requirements for CAT II/III approval. FD2S
Hi Alexis, When you manipulate the thrust lever on the real aircraft after touchdown and move it to the reverser interlock position and detent no1 (Idle reverse) it should be initially around 32% (Flight Idle) and then drop to approximately 22% (Ground Idle) Second Detent, when you move the reverser to the 2nd detent position = 75% N1 Max Reverse = 82% N1 Not too sure how the PMDG is programmed but you should only get a MASTER CAUTION - ENG - REVERSER 12 seconds after deployment when a malfunction occurs!
You can stop moving the thrust lever in between the detents and you'll get the appropriate N1 setting, you wouldn't do this in the real aircraft. If you're using F2 to select and set reverse thrust, wherever you take your finger off the button it will stop moving the reverse thrust levers! Not ideal!
All airports in FSX are CAT III which is very weird. So even when you are flying a non-precision approach to any airport in FSX, you can get vertical guidance down to the runway as if there was an ILS. lmao
Hi Mehmet! In reality a runway does not need to be CATII/III equipped to conduct an Autoland in the 738, the aircraft can do it on just a standard CAT I ILS, what differs is the protection zones, lighting and backup requirements for CAT II/III approval. FD2S
Holy shit, that was intense, I actually got nervous about 300 ft when nothing was visible.
Always fingers crossed and guarding TO/GA!
FD2S
Cap’n, This was fascinating. As a Southwest Airlines retiree I had the opportunity to ride jumpseat even though I was a ground crew supervisor. (A HUGE favor to me from pilots I knew.) We flew into Dallas Love KDAL with vis so low I didn’t see the rwy lights until we were there. They were a perfectly balanced team. It was a beautifully balanced dance between electronics, mechanical and flesh and blood. It was literally awesome. As a long time private pilot w inst/comm I felt like an eight year old in back of PhDs.
Thanks for all your vids.
The more I watch these tutorials, the more I understand what you are doing. Getting there - not at 100% but getting closer. You move fast but again - slowly understanding it all.
An excellent tutorial as always, but it's little bit difficult to hear you with the NGX engines on the background
Hi Twenty Five Hundred, thanks a lot!!
After similar comment I've tweaked the recording volume of both FSX any my microphone. You should find me newer tutorials even clearer!
Have a great day!
FD2S
Forst time i used autoland my heart rate increased to 30,000 bpm when i saw a mountain on final approach
I hope the mountain wasn't directly in front of you!!
FD2S
Excellent tutorial. Many thanks for taking time to do these. It is exactly what I have been looking for.
Thanks a lot Mike!
flightdeck2sim
Great tutorial. I watched this months ago but recently tried an autoland on several occasions without success.
I’ve just mirrored this flight to East Midlands and finally managed to get the autoland to work thanks to following your step by step instructions!
Really appreciate the effort you put in to making these.
Awesome! So long as you have APP armed you should be able to engage the 2nd A/P for an Autoland 👍🏼
FD2S
I need to figure out where I was going wrong. I think it might have been because I was configuring the Course heading to what the charts said instead of the ILS? In you tutorial ILS is set to 270 but Navigraph has 269.
Is your FMC (AIRAC) up to date? That could be why! I also use the most recent charts which should match the AIRAC 👍🏼
I get the regular updates from Navigraph and can see the latest dates in the FMC. It seems that the charts in the app are slightly out though as they say 269? I think I had issues with Stansted and looking at SkyVector, it has runway 22 as 224 and Navigraph 223! Is the answer to trust the FMC heading? I can see Jeppesen date on the chart is Sep 16 for Stansted.
I think it's a limitation with FSX/PMDG
www.avsim.com/forums/topic/363256-ils-mcp-course-selection/
FD2S.
It's fascinating seeing how jets fly.
I would be SO PISSED if my sim would give up on me on final approach......
Tal Ionescu I’d recommend FSUIPC for that. It has an auto save feature.
Same!
11 months later and watched again - understand pretty much most of it and can follow your moves. Thanks!
At my company....we actually hand fly CAT IIi approaches using the hud as our 737-800s are not autoland capable.
Budget Air?
@@Sim737Pilot no....actually a Major Airline in the US.
American Airlines one of my family members fly for AA
They have HUDS and CAT III is handlfown
Totally new to flight sim, picked up about 1/50th of what you said, but the traffic womble was brilliant :)
Thanks so much for the excellent tutorial 😃 Love that you wave at the spotters 😁 Fly safe.
Enjoyed! As a newbie alot `flew right by' but one day I will follow all...
Did my first auto land yesterday, thanks to your help. Jason
very interesting tutorial. i never thought that you could arm the APP without being established on the LOC. I normally armed the APP when established on the localizer. i will definitely be doing things different from now on. thank you very much for these videos.
First class again, although I will have to watch many times to get my approach that smooth. Many Thanks from the Old Wrinkly
Well it was the autopilot haha!
FD2S
That was quite detailed, having said that, I've got a _lot_ to learn! lol. Thanks for the video.
Duncan MacKenzie no problem! Welcome!
FD2S
This is EPIC. Wow. Thanks for showing us what it's like!
I like to thank you very much for dedicating your personal time to us, so we can be able to expand our knowledge.
You’re most welcome antonios, glad they’re helpful! 👍🏼
FD2S
your videos truly are something else, it actually feels and sounds like the real deal
Thanks paradice, you're getting the real deal!! This is exactly how we teach and fly this approach in real life,
Take Care!
FD2S
I'm slowly working my way through all of your videos. I have to say I find them to be excellent. Great in depth level of detail and really enhancing the way I operate the NGX in the virtual skies. Please keep them coming. Thanks
Hi Glenn, thanks a lot!
I've squeezed as much information as I possibly could so everyone can see how it's done by one operator in real life! You can expect plenty of content in the future.
All the best!
FD2S.
I finally did a full Zibo 737 flight tonight KLAX to KSEA, and managed to get the full Autoland to function and bring the plane in, no sweat. I was astonished. I just wish XPlane
per se was working all that well, which, to be honest, it never is. I'm less than enthralled with a lot of it. But, this flight went great, so I was chuffed.
Landing at my local airport. . .really nice thanks !
This is an amazing tutorial for landing ils
Superb as usual. Gr8 video. Thank you!
Just discovered your channel & already learning lots of new things about the NGX. Fantastic videos, thank you for all your efforts!
Cheers Dan, you're most welcome!
FD2S.
Another great tutorial...Thank you
Ross Elliot
Hey flightdeck2sim. Thanks a lot for this tutorial. In my opinion the explaination could be a bit slower but beside this all is fine. For me as a "beginner" (approx 200 hours in x plane), sometimes it wasn´t easy to follow. Thanks again
I'll keep practicing. Look fwd to your future videos! Cheers
Interesting, I was always taught in my instrument training to get established on the localizer first, and then intercept the glideslope from below. In the video you were using VS to simply follow the glideslope long before localizer capture. I suppose in the case of airline ops this is more desirable. A constant idle descent from cruise is much more fuel efficient, and a lot more safe and stabilized than the gazillion step downs we find ourselves doing when getting our instrument ratings.
Hi EnDSchultz.
Have you heard of CDA? Continuous Descent Approach's are flown primarily to reduce the environmental impact of the aircraft (noise and fuel burn).
To expand on this below FL100 we always try to avoid any level segment so we adjust the vertical speed accordingly, primarily by using V/S.
Additionally we also try to achieve a Low Drag Approach (LDA) to further reduce the environmental impact, ideally we want the thrust lever to be at idle from TOD all the way until a 4nm final!
Although not mandatory it is certainly desired and a lot of airports monitor aircraft for CDA compliance and can sometimes fine airlines for non compliance! Sometimes it's simply impossible due to perhaps an altitude restriction.
FD2S
As a fellow pilot I really appreciate your channel. You inspire aspiring pilots as well as flightsimulator enthusiasts👌 Well done.
One question about the roll-out. I believe you can actually leave the autopilots in until after nosewheel touchdown as the autoland should take care of that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Safe landings✈
WOW Mate. I'm so glad I subscribed. You Pilot Guys are BUSY. Your knowledge of this aircraft has helped me a great deal, Thank You.
Thanks Jon!
There is a lot going on but it's easier when there is two of you!
FD2S
Many thanks, just what I needed for my full cockpit 737 simulator!
2023 this video is still amazing
One of my first ever tutorials! Thank you! :-)
FD2S
Excellent tutorials. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise.
Best PMDG 737 videos ever.
Thanks Jie, I hope you learnt something new!
FD2S
I learned the most from ur video. They are very concise, step to step guide, and extremely professional! It'd be nice if you could make the graphic/texture quality a little bit better :) Also, sometimes I don't fully understand all the jargons u use, so it would probably be helpful if u could put some reference links below ur videos? Anyway, great work. Look forward to new tutorials!
Best ILS tutorial ever
Thanks Shaigan!
FD2S
hi, i follow you on Instagram ur à really source of motivation for me 😊 love ur "tutos" continue that it really usefull to have professional videos to learn who to fly, thanks 1000 times ans good continuation :)
Hi Igor, thanks a lot! Expect plenty more content in the future!
That was awesome thank you. Question how do you sent the minimums ? Regards,
I’ve tried this procedure, but when I try to engage the second autopilot (CMD B), the first one disengages. What could be causing that?
Check ILS frequencies are added in both nav radio.
APP mode of the MCP must be engaged and GS and VOR/LOC active
check the courses out
Great tutorial as always, loved it. I have two questions :
1) Where did you find the RVR? Did you get it from the ATIS or METAR? Or maybe the ATC?
2)Why did you select 3100 ft on the MCP altitude (Missed Approach Altitude + 100) while on the taxiway? Thanks captain
Nice to see people watching these oldies haha! Thank you!
1. RVR is on both the ATIS and METAR and is also reported by ATC.
2. For the next sector we set the nearest 1000ft +100ft as a reminder we haven't got the ATC Clearance yet. We then set then cleared altitude after we have our clearance.
FD2S
9:54 was that a burp? 😂
Awesome video!
I use XPlane 11 and I am a newbie to aviation and fell in love with Boeing 737-800 it is a remarkable Aircraft easily controllable even its size. You are a good mentour but could you please make a content excactly steps step by step with short explanation of each step and setting up each step after explanation. I did 2 or 3 successfull ILS autopilot landings but sometimes I cant intercept Glide Slope. As I understand from your video we should always use two auto pilots to auto land with VOR Lock + Approach? Could you please explain in simple minimum required steps for autoland?
I love PMDG!
OMG Thank you for you hard work and time that you managed to do again the same after FSX Crash
Lol this autoland system lands much beter then me. hahaaha
Thanks for the great video(s). As an OLD retired air traffic controller, I am curious as to how often in the real world you follow the full STAR vs receiving vectors. As a simmer, I never liked some of the abrupt intercept angles that the STARS sometimes dictate. As a result I have been using HDG SEL vs LNAV within 10 - 20 nm of the airport for a 30 - 35 degree intercept of the ILS. (Old habits die hard I guess). How realistic is my method now that most major airports publish STARS?
Hi Bernard!
Certainly here in Europe it really depends where you are. In some countries it's unusual to complete a STAR in it's entirety and you're very likely to be vectored at some point off the arrival. At some airports you can expect to do the full arrival and transition onto approach (especially if they have no radar). It really varies hugely from each airport and some airports might do something one day and then something completely different the next!
Some STAR's are not designed to put you on an intercept to an Approach, some of the airports I've flown to have the STAR terminate at a holding point near the airfield, just like in this tutorial!
Hope I helped answer your query!
flightdeck2sim
Awesome video! I’m having a problem, on a ILS approach, why do my autopilot lights turn off? On the PFD it says all the modes are engaged, but on the autopilot the lights are off. Thank you!
Hi,
Would be a great idea if there is a Telegram groupchat, so that pilots and aspiring pilots could share their knowledge and latest update on the 737 development. I’ve seen similar groupchat for the A320.
I was about to ding you for this being a simulation, but I think the information is mostly valid, but it would be cool if you would include in the topic it is what it is...
Well done. At my skill level I will stick to VFR to stay alive.
Keep practicing and you’ll be flying the NG on a desktop simulator in no time!
FD2S
Great tutorial. Am curious though; regarding the stby ISFD at 11:55 you mention that it may be used to monitor your glideslope at 90* intercept. Is the stby ISFD able to differentiate between a false glideslope versus the correct glideslope?
Thank you man. How do you move so easily in the cockpit ? Did you use a joypad or trackIR ?
eeeey man love ir vidz excellent work, well explain i learn a Lot of things with ur tutorials, could u please make a tutorial of VOR A approach? i live in México and there is an airport call Zihuatanejo (mmzh) it requires that kind of approach it Is very fun to land there, keep it up the good work and cheersss
Great video as usual. I got one question how do you get all those companies(thomson, flypgs etc.) interfaces?
wORLD OF AI
If I use FSX and the PMDG 737/777, I unplug the Internet to stop incoming messages or adverts from crashing the sim. Maybe thats what caused your problem.
Me too, I disconnect internet, that causes problem . .
The auto pilot actually buttered lmao
Great stuff! Thanks a lot. Coming to SXF one day? ...just let me know and have a coffee on the TWR. C U !
JP
Thanks for the invite! Last time I went there I landed on your new shiny runway on the South Side!
FD2S
Hahaa... :-) it's closed again (for a couple of years?!?) so you won't pass the tower by plane anymore. Could send you a FollowMe for pickup from the North :-)
Thanks. This was really helpful. Is there such thing as an RNAV autoland? In theory, this should be possible, no? Modern GPS receivers are pretty accurate and should be able to provide a precise glideslope all the way down to the runway? Thanks.
Hi Vimal. As far as know it's only available off an ILS, I might be wrong but it's certainly the case here. You are quite right regarding the accuracy of GPS. Whenever we use the FMC for a Approach (RNAV/VOR or NDB) the aircraft is always flown exactly where it should be.
FD2S
Wow that was a fail passive autoland perfectly done and as always i have a question. Why is it required to keep the landing roll until the end of the runway when LVP is in effect ? Thanks.
Hi Mehmet,
In most cases it will be an airport specific LVP procedure, taxi routings are clearly defined in low visibility
FD2S
Fantastic video!
I just didn’t get one thing! After your Fs crashed and you restarted it, you had already captured the glide slope and localizer , both auto pilots were engagd, but the APP switch was off.
So how is that working?!?!?!?
Hi Pouya,
This is completely normal. Fully established on the ILS (The APP light on the MCP extinguishes after G/S capture) with the A/P engaged. Remember the light on the MCP just means the mode can be deselected, you need to check your FMA on the MCP to see which mode is engaged!
FD2S
Hello, Thanks for excellent video tutor.
I`ve issue during this operation with me, there isnot glide slope icons when straight ILS zone and line if not activate APP button.
in your video you have glide slope without APP activate.
Problem comes through already APP is activated and I am unable to tracked the slope , which button must activate to intercept them?
Great feeling !!
Brilliant thank you
Hello! The flare indicator that you talk about in 18:34 isn t indicated in my PMDG 737 for p3d. What should I do to appear this indicator that counts the feet to landing ? Thanks and sorry for my english.
Hi
thanks for the video ,it was very informative. I have a question about the auto throttle on the real aircraft. When I set throttle to idle and disconnect the auto throttle at 500ft the engine would not idle unless I move the throttles up and down to idle again . Is this a PMDG thing or would this happen for real .. Really would like to know
Thank you
It's a general sim thing.
The real thrust lever would move along with autothrust adjustments, whereas your throttle on the pc stays where it is. Once you disengage, the pc throttle and the sim will syncronise through your first input.
Can this procedure be done as is, on a default 737 on X-Plane 11? Or is this strictly Microsoft Simulator 2020?
Hello mate,loving the videos!
Why do you have to leave the aircraft coast to the end of the runway? Thanks!
Hi UnBarredBear, thanks!
It's mentioned at 5:15, When operating in LVP's at EMA after landing you must vacate RW27 at G2 (The end of the runway)
All the best!
FD2S.
Shit, yeah missed that bit. Thanks mate
As usual, this video is unique in its high quality. Thumbs up!
Since the dual channel AP applies some nose-up trimming, I wonder if there is something that the pilot should/shouldn't do? The handling will be quite different from a properly trimmed aircraft during a manual landing. Is the pilot allowed to disconnect the AP (assuming no equipment failure) and continue landing manually? Or if they do so, they must go around?
Once you have decided to fly to an Autoland, certainly for my company, you must fly it to completion even if the weather improves UNLESS you're flying a practice Autoland in VMC and you have some sort of equipment failure you can continue the approach if you have visual contact with the runway.
flightdeck2sim
This makes a lot of sense! Thanks a lot for the reply. Last few weeks, I flew a lot of FlightFactor 757-200 v2 in X Plane (that's the airliner closed to PMDG in X Plane). I found it very difficult to land the plane after disconnecting the AP on a LAND 3 and nose-up trim applied. I guess if I plane to disconnect the AP, I shall only use one AP. Thanks again.
That sounds like some sort of failure operational system to me, unfamiliar with the 757 and it's autoland system so can't help you much on that one!
flightdeck2sim
Thanks!
15:33 i really recommend P3D if you want to run PMDG products..
Switched to XP11 over a year ago!
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim Even better.. but i was talking about PMDG products..i don't think they are compatible with X-plane
In the PMDG is it mandatory to disconnect A.P immediately after touchdown during this Auto Landing? Or can we continue even after touchdown with the A.P Engaged?
You can leave the A/p engaged for the Fail Operational Autoland System which you can select as an option in the NGX. I use the Fail Passive System which is used by my operator, it has no roll-out feature after touchdown.
FD2S
Does the ksea airport have a (CAT III)
Hi Evil Boy. All of RW16 (L,C and R) have CAT II Approaches, All of RW34 (L,C and R) are CAT IIIB approved.
FD2S.
Ok can you still make a CAT III approach on a CAT IIIB runway
Absolutely, you can set the CAT IIIA minima (Typically 50ft RA).
In reality you can conduct an Autoland on any ILS (including CAT I) to practice.
FD2S
Ok phew. Thanks for the help
Is there a Fail operational version of the real 737 800 with Rollout feature?
Cuz i found that option in the pmdg
Hello noob here,
Can anyone explain to me how do I compensate for surface wind conditions? When I fly CAT III on X-Plane, I always find my B378 wobbling in mid air and falling short of the runway, causing me to Go Around. I have the correct flap/speed references and right frequencies tuned. I also input the surface wind correctly given by 124thATC. I notice there's something in the scratchpad saying "WIND CORR +05KT" at the bottom of the landing page. What does this mean and how do I use it? Could this be the reason I'm undershooting the runway?
Hello sir...i have seen a lot of your videos...what do you think about the PMDG NGXu...what would you say about it sir? I am really keen to know your thoughts...Is the ZIBO better here too?
The NGX is a complete product. It’s extremely immersive with all the systems modelled accurately and if you want to simulate every detail, practice non-normal situations as realistically as possible I'd still recommend its use
What the ZIBO MOD does it brings pretty much all the functionality you need from a typical sector from A to B but it takes advantage of XP11's aerodynamic flight model called blade element theory. If someone like ZIBO or any developer takes the time to build an accurate replication of the a real aircraft it will model all the forces/moments in real time and within the confines of a desktop simulator, pretty accurately. Things like crosswinds, secondary effects of flight controls, feel really life like and this has the affect of making The ZIBO MOD feels like flying a real 737 hence why I switched platforms.
FSX/P3D replicate real performance by using data in a table and works to a degree but it makes the aircraft feel very static and fly like it's on rails.
Cheers!
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim Thank you so much for your time....but the NGXu seeems to be catching up( The later NGX not the old one the NG3 i mean)
Use GSX, for the ground services /w follow me car...
And I think we all know which airline you fly for haha!
Thanks!
I had a look into GSX but I just want to show you guys how to fly the aircraft, you guys can invest in these products to make it as immersive as possible!
Take care!
flightdeck2sim.
I am glad you understood, anyways! Thank you for your 'service', teaching us vital information ;) !
Cheers,
Ellis.
Not sure which ATC gave you 310 for the intercept... but i'm gonna slap them
uussseeefull! thanks
Nice tutorial! I just want to ask if it's legal to do an autoland on a CATI only runway, assuming the visibility is above CATI minimums?
Hi Dale!
Absolutely! You can conduct a "PRACTICE" Autoland onto any runway equipped with an ILS, it does not need to have CATIII Lighting or Protection but you must be fully visual.
Good luck!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thank you!
Watching the video I notice that your version of the 737 has the HGS panel missing from the Central Pedestal. I usually set the panel for autoland but now realise that the HGS setting improves pilot situational awareness when using the HUD. Is this correct? I do not use the HUD often I will have to give it a go
Hi Clive. Our fleet are not fitted with a HUD so no HGS Panel on the pedestal. That's why I've de-selected the option! Would love to try it out in real life!
FD2S
I don't understand . When do you deploy speed brakes ?? before the Decel point or at the Decel point. And when do you precisely deploy the flaps ??
Hi Fastsilver.
DECEL is just the point at which VNAV wants to reduce to the next target speed for the approach or perhaps a speed restriction in the FMC. It wouldn't typically require speedbrake. If using VNAV and on profile the aircraft will pitch up slightly to reduce to the next target airspeed.
Generally Flap 1 selected just prior to 10nm but they can be configured at any point by the PF.
FD2S
Thank you. And what about the flaps, on many youtube videos I've seen that many flight simmers use a specific flap configuration : Flaps 1 : At Decel point, when the plane reaches the ''Up'' speed. Flaps 5: When the plane reaches the ''1'' speed. Flaps 15 : At 10 nm from the airport or when the glideslope comes to live ( I mostly use the 10 nm method). Flaps 30 : 5 nm from the airport or when the glideslope intercepts (Usually go for 5 nm method ) Is this a good method ?? i am always confused.
thanks for the informative reply. Another quick question. Does the real 737 "float" on landing the way the NGX does, or is it just my landing technique? I sometimes (most times)
leave a lot of good runway behind me b4 touch down. :-(
A lot of variables deciding if you'll float in real life or not! Generally if you carry too much speed it will have a tendency to float but if you check/flare at VREF or less you can expect a firm landing! Our approach speed is between VREF+5 and VREF+15 dependent on the Headwind component.
It's just practice in the NGX. I found it more of a floater than previous add ons in the sim, but I suspect that is realistic compared to those other planes. I find complaints of floating are due to flight simmers desire to "grease" a landing. Virtual airlines seem to really perpetuate this problem by monitoring vertical speed on touchdown. Otherwise, in the NGX there seems to be little amount of back pressure needed to touchdown correctly. A ton of add ons I've had in the past seemed to require a good deal of back pressure to flare and essentially drop onto the runway nicely. The NGX will totally level out or climb if you flare too much. Drop your throttle at the right time and pull back very slightly, and I mean slightly. I find that if you are fast like the -800 or -900 will be than you can drop the throttle at the 30 call-out. Slower approaches like the -600 and -700 have you can do it around 20 feel. Just practice. It also helps immensely to have a yoke instead of a joystick IMO. I can have a pretty sloppy final and still make a near perfect landing now. If you think this is hard, purchase the Majestic Dash-8. Beautiful plane and a handful to fly, but you have to leave the throttle up for landing or you will just drop. That bird can be a lot harder when you are use to dropping the throttle like every other plane out there.
Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I very recently (yesterday) recalibrated the elevator axis using FSUIPC. I pulled back on the physical yoke slightly to where there was a bit more resistance and set the axis centre (idle) position at that point. Subsequent landings when sensing that bit of resistance has made it easier to minimize the flare angle. I transitioned to the NGX from the Quality Wings Avros which are easier to land, perhaps because of the high wing reducing the ground effect or the modeling not being as accurate as the PMDG. Sort of like moving from RW high wing Cessnas to low wing Pipers. Took me a while many years ago to somewhat master that technique as well.
What does "up" mean on the PFD
after touchdown A/P and A/T allways disconnect?
For the Fail Passive system and based on my companies procedures yes! The A/T will disconnect two seconds after touchdown so it makes no difference with regards to A/T.
If you're using the fail operational system which I'm unfamiliar with I believe it has a roll-out feature, whether you the disconnect the A/P in this instance I'm not sure!
flightdeck2sim.
Hi :) If you were doing Cat II (not III) approach, is autoland mandatory, like in cat III, or can you swich to visual near the runway and land manually? Also, can you make an autoland on Cat I only runway? If yes, would you notify ATC/ ask them for permission or something like that? Except for higher minimums, would the Cat I autoland differ somehow from Cat III? Thanks in advance and really appreciate all your previous responses to my questions :)
Hi Konrad.
Where I work CAT II does require a mandatory autoland.
You can conduct a "practice" Autoland off any ILS regardless of category but there are limitations regarding visibility. The aircraft can do it on just a standard CAT I ILS, what differs is the protection zones, lighting and backup requirements for CAT II/III approval.
FD2S
What are the weather conditions, below which you decide to go CAT II/III? Is it when weather gets below Cat I minima (RVR 550m) or sth different? Also, does ceiling matter? For example, if there is OVC001 or OVC002 but good RVR/visibility, is it required/recommended for you to do CAT II/III autoland? As always thank you for answering all my questions, looking forward to your answer on this one, wish you safe flying :)
Konrad Dołowy always try and do the lowest capable to improve your chances of being able to land. Cat II instead of III will be due to some sort of unserviceability.
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim That clarifies things, thank you for response. However, what I actually meant was: when you are mid air and do approach brief, how do you decide if you will make standard ILS cat I with one autopilot and manual landing - or cat II/III autoland? In other words, how bad the weather must be(RVR? Ceiling?) at dest. for you to choose autoland?
I need ur help...why is it that it is so difficult for me to land on the center line...? Every time after I disengage my AP, my plane will drift to the left a little bit and many times I landed on the grass...
Hi Joe,
Practice makes perfect! Start with smaller aircraft and work your way up to larger aircraft. React to small changes, keep at it and your landings will improve!
Remember any landing you can walk away from is a good one 👍🏼
FD2S
1:40 "If the window wipers don't work, you can't do a CAT III ILS". Wasn't CAT IIIc supposed to work with 0 visibility?
how many meters of visibility is enough for catIII autoland
Hi Talha, the required RVR for CAT III is 200m
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim thx
Do you have a Cat I ILS approach tutorial?
Not a dedicated one bizarrely, most of my livestreams are to an ILS but I should make an ILS approach tutorial!
FD2S
wow if this is the ILS in the next generation i wounder how is it the classic or jurassic
I Have a question when you were at FL080 and set the descent do 3000 you set the QNH is it when you are cleared To descent below TA?or when you pass TA?
Mi Mati.
When cleared to descend to an altitude we immediately set the QNH, you don't need to descend past the transition altitude.
On departure the same applies, we set STD typically after the flaps are up if our stop altitude is a FL.
Good Luck!
FD2S.
If you do it that way just don't forget to reset standard pressure if asked to level off before TA at the last minute. :)
May i ask why u left open the Anti Ice switches on +5 Celcius, cap'n ?
Hi Slammer, We use Engine Anti-Ice in Icing Conditions. Icing conditions are defined by my operator as "An OAT or TAT below 10C or below and any of the following exist - visible moisture, clouds, fog with visibility less than 1600m, rain, snow, sleet, ice, snow etc"
FD2S
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but just to clear things up for me, is it possible to do an autoland on any runway in FSX, even if it is technically not certified as CAT lll? Thanks in advance!
Hello!
A runway does not need to be CATII/III equipped to conduct an Autoland in the 738, the aircraft can do it on just a standard CAT I ILS, what differs is the protection zones, lighting and backup requirements for CAT II/III approval.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thank you for the quick reply!
Idle reverse is approximatly 45% of N1 ? Because you put idle reverse around 25%.
Hi Alexis,
When you manipulate the thrust lever on the real aircraft after touchdown and move it to the reverser interlock position and detent no1 (Idle reverse) it should be initially around 32% (Flight Idle) and then drop to approximately 22% (Ground Idle)
Second Detent, when you move the reverser to the 2nd detent position = 75% N1
Max Reverse = 82% N1
Not too sure how the PMDG is programmed but you should only get a MASTER CAUTION - ENG - REVERSER 12 seconds after deployment when a malfunction occurs!
Thank you for your answer. But it seemed to me that there was a special position at 45% of N1? Maybe I'm wrong
You can stop moving the thrust lever in between the detents and you'll get the appropriate N1 setting, you wouldn't do this in the real aircraft. If you're using F2 to select and set reverse thrust, wherever you take your finger off the button it will stop moving the reverse thrust levers! Not ideal!
Hi, how do you get the DME to come up, when I fly these approaches I get no DME. Is the DME freq put in the stby freq?
Hi Loadhaul. Most ILS's (Not All) are co-located with a DME and if so the DME distance should automatically appear on the PFD.
FD2S
Never seem to get that, do the VOR's need to be on in order to located it?
Is this using fsx ?
All airports in FSX are CAT III which is very weird. So even when you are flying a non-precision approach to any airport in FSX, you can get vertical guidance down to the runway as if there was an ILS. lmao
Hi Mehmet!
In reality a runway does not need to be CATII/III equipped to conduct an Autoland in the 738, the aircraft can do it on just a standard CAT I ILS, what differs is the protection zones, lighting and backup requirements for CAT II/III approval.
FD2S
Yes , you are right captain. But the problem is that You can literally perform an autoland in a VOR/DME approach in FSX.
Extremely helpful but talk louder or turn fsx volume down plz. I also hate that stupid fsx has stopped thing.