@@benfarmer-webb1016 you being serious? I live in the Netherlands, we do not, under any circumstances, have a two party system, really really really far from it.
This video litteraly shows how far the Netherlands is from a two-party system. Right now, the goverment will have to be formed from at least 4 parties. How is that a 2 party system?
@@djdewaal289 Also true. I really think we should change the way that works. The 'senate', which is supposed to be this neutral reflecting body looking at if laws are executable or lawful, has become a politicised puppet party politics while because of coinciding provincial elections actual provincial representation gets completely overshadowed by national political struggles in the senate. The fact that we're even talking about 'we need a majority in the senate' shows ths failure of the very institute itself.
fun fact: because when the coalition forming last time was starting to take long, Mark Rutte himself actually started to use the term "Belgium practices" for the coalition forming.
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 As a belgian I cannot argue against that ^^ Nonetheless we should find a way to solve that systemic issue ... at the moment it's only carrying on with the old mandate with diminished powers, it works, but there should be better
@@jacobsxavier6082 See whatever the Netherlands does, the Belgians don't seem to learn from it. In fact they make it worse. Long coalitions, unnecessary complex bureaucracy, road conditions etc. People shouldn't do that. And quick question why on earth do you need 6 parliaments? Seriously what is wrong with you guys?!
@@maxvandenberg955 Well, try to get the french and flemmish speaking around a table and you'll start to notice the issue. It's not simply that these two communities have different languages, ways of thinking but even morality has differences. It's a bit as if the netherlands and france had the same government deciding of the same policies, this wouldn't end well as you wouldn't understand eachothers language, way of thinking, way of perceiving the world... if you cannot even agree about what is going on how could you agree on what is the problem and how to agree what is the solution ? Once this first problem has been considered take into account 'communautarism', basically us against them, the french speaking who only understand french (because reasons) only get french speaking news and information about what happens on the flemmish speaking side and vice versa (I'm from the frontier region so I understand both regions), tribalism pushes these two communities against one another. Sorry for the long answer but to summarize those two issues: tribalism and two different worlds
@@j.s.1878 Well, you're belgium on steroïds AND with an extra divisive factor of religion AND with the extra stuff of corruption AND I'm pretty sure that there must be some ethnic differences on the pile as well, you're really f...d, I feel with you bro
When the Finance Minister doesn't know the numbers of his own economic plan, you start to wonder how this guy was ever qualified to be the Finance Minister.
A question thats true for many polititians internationally it seems... I get that "capable" or rather "qualified" polititians have to exist somewhere logically and yet I often wonder where they are hiding and why the morons have no problem whatsoever, to rise into high positions
Tbf to Hoekstra, he was put in as #1 candidate at the last second as originally someone else was supposed to be the CDA's candidate for the elections but he dropped out late due being Health minister(covid) as he underestimated the combined workload. So an unprepared hoekstra who originally rejected the #1 CDA position for election to focus on his task as minister, was pushed to the front once again + lack of cohesion in the party. Edit: grammar and bit more clarity
@@thepax6390 It's a lot of internal party-politics that decide who gets a place at the table. Hoekstra has long been a powerful CDA-figure, allowing him to claim the role as Finance Minister.
@@thepax6390 in a post i made earlier i explained that hoekstra was not involved in the campaign for the elections until the dropout of the CDA's original candidate. Hoekstra had no involvement in the creation of the party's program for the elections and the direction of the campaign and was basically handed down a prewritten program as the program was set in stone at the point the original candidate backed down. Its much harder to make a program your own if you didnt participate in the creation of it. The only thing that u can blame him is that he shouldve prepared it better, which considering his experience was no easy task
@@augustus331 Hoekstra studied Law and Business Administration, I think he is definitely more suited for the role of Secretary of Finance than someone like Dijsselbloem was (who studied Agricultural economics).
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 the lack of water management infrastructure is due to landing there, calling it new holland and then swiftly leaving when we discovered no spices. we are very sorry.
Don't worry, Mr Animator, we still love you. Additionally, Volt have already said they will most likely not enter a coalition, because they are so new. They might come back on that statement, but it would be a bad move for them to enter such a fragile cabinet.
Maybe, their inexperience might be problematic for them yet they can also make a very strong early name for themselves like this. Furthermore, some voters might not like them passing on the opportunity of throwing some weight around early. I for one am in that camp and would like to see them bring some extra pro European voices in the coalition. They might lose me and others to D66 or Green left otherwise.
@@janSimiman True enough XD Though given the situation it would no be preferable. Especially with how much would be set in stone again in regard to policy.
They *could* enter a coalition in "gedoogsteun", they would support most of the plans but dont have to put they're name on anything if they dont want to
@@Lordblow1 Although having a bit of extra power (coalition wise) might do them good, being so small in the coalition also means they barely have leverage over the other coalition parties. To make compomises, it might mean losing more power than they will gain... I think they should offer, but also be quick to decline. A coalition isn't worth losing all ideals for.
@@ikschrijflangenamen Looking at the map at 1:36, it looks like here DENK is projected at 2 seats, while in reality they are now expected to hit 3. So that's the vanished seat. DENK, however, is not discussed in this video, so I guess it was a bit forgotten about.
VVD D66 PVDA and GL will have a majority in the Senate ( Eerste kamer) but JA 21 does aswell which Rutte recently hinted at he didnt want to rule them out (yet)
The current cabinet doesn't have a majority there either. It's nice to have a majority in both chambers of parliament, but it is entirely possible to find First Chamber allies on a case-by-case basis.
@@Lagiacrus1996 true, Rutte just wants to act like that's his favourite coalition, so he can force D66 to come to a compromise where their favourite coalition is also ruled out. This would result in another coalition with CU and CDA I figure (I hope Kaag doesn't do that though)
The seat distribution used in the video is slightly off from current projections (VVD one less, D66 one more, JA21 one less, etc.) but that could be because it's changing every day and you recorded this a few days ago
@@royblekman8186 All ballots have been counted, the final result will be called by the electoral council (Kiesraad) on March 26th and published in the Staatscourant, the states newspaper (wherein all new laws and new regulations of the governments are published). The time until then will be used to control, investigate and maybe recount of certain polling stations, when there are irregularities established by the electoral council.
It's true that proportional representation is more work for politicians, but it gives a relatively proportional voice to every point of view, acknowledging that not everything is black and white and avoiding the political extremism that happens in the US for example. I say that's worth the extra work
@@bunceman4613 Maybe, but would they be able to get a majority coalition? A large party doesn't necessarily mean being able to work together (like the PVV in the netherlands). I am not that well versed in politics outside of the netherlands (very centre) and US (very binary), so I don't know for sure, but an extreme party wouldn't do that well in proportional systems. I have serisous doubts that the centre-right (like romney-esqe) would rather work with the far right than with the centre-left. I think the US it too polarized for real cooperation for a propotianal system, but I wouldn't think extremists (either left or right) do well in such a system (but I only follow the Netherlands as an example).
@@IkeOkerekeNews ya seen how big white nationalism is over there? The only thing stopping the current republican party going full fascist is the checks and balances.
@@frederikjrgensen252 No. Geert has been asked if he would want to join the coaltion if he retracted his "minder Marrokanen" statement and let go on his anti-islam policies. He immediately answered: Never. He will not join a coalition without dropping that, and he is unwilling to do so. He seems perfectly fine staying in the opposition though, as he isn't the type to plan ahead or negotiate, but likes to kick 'em in the knees a bit.
As a Dutchman, I find it entertaining that this is video can lecture me on the Dutch election results, and the possible formations of a coalition. Mainly because the Dutch media is not producing this kind of content. Cheers, and thank you for the information. Groetjes uit Utrecht!
One point not mentioned: Ja21 has a significant presence in the first chamber (equal to house of lords). They could become a major facor in coalition talks
Though I don't think it's likely that the larger more progressive-focussed parties would like to work with Ja21. If it comes down to a large patchwork of many parties they might become a part of the coalition, but not as it stands.
Although it's nice to have a majority in the first chamber, Rutte's previous cabinets governed without a majority there so I don't think it will be a determining factor. Especially since D66 will probably refuse to govern with such a rightwing party
@@timofaber808 D66 hasn't ruled out JA21, they just figure it will be hard to do. But they explicitely rule out PVV and FvD without mentioning JA21. And the VVD has actually suggested that JA21 join the coalition in the current setup, replacing CU. Which will be hard for D66 to accept I suppose.
@@timofaber808 They have called it unlikely, but if JA21 is willing to compromise a lot to govern it might be an opportunity. Kaag doesn’t want it as JA21 is conservative, Rutte does as they are right-wing and have a lot of influence in the first chamber.
At this point, i want to thank you guys from TLDR to deliver such news about Europe, as a European, it's pretty hard to get political news of other European countries you don't live, so I am very thankful that this channel exist, keep going and keep growing
Which is a bit ridiculous in a way. In Holland we get so much coverage of the US, but barely on Germany, let alone countries like Denmark, Czech Republic or Switzerlad.
@@gnoetv i know, here in Germany, we may get an article on the "Tageschau" (Our state run media platform for general political news) and maybe one or two articals on private news outlets, which all have about 3 min reading time and just generally cover the party, the election and what the future awaits. They don't cover the election up front, they don't talk about the country a few months after the election and they just talk about the main government parties, but not the smaller ones and the special sides of individual politics(like the many Dutch parties). However, we get weekly articles about the US and what is happening there, it's is really annoying not being able to know what is happening in other European countries
@@gnoetv Yeah. We only get a brief mention of "This party and this guy has won in (country) elections". Germany and Belgium does get a bit more coverage, but still not enough.
Jup, exactly. I was very glad to find this channel. I literally know more about American news than I know about European news half the time because it's so much easier to find.
Well if you take into account that none of the other left parties “took their votes” you could say they performed a little worse than you would expect.
It's actually a very good result. For years the animal party had the same number of seats each election. It was a steady, very small party just like SGP (fundamentalist Christian party). And now they seem to have shaken that off, and they're growing.
Israel is a democracy, the Netherlands are not. Dutch are not citizens but subjects to the crown. We don't choose our leaders, they are appointed. Our king doesn't give a shit about the country going to hell, he lives in Greece on his private-island or goes skiing in Switzerland, payed for with tax-money. Why should he care, his family plundered the country for nearly a century and never gave a damn about the people. Rutte knows that and is basically a dictator.
@@jeroenarendonk4160 There's legal immigration and there are refugees. We would like to regulate both on the european level. Work immigration is something we need and should support. No party really disagrees with that. We'd like to dismantle birocratic hurds and avoid brain drains. We'd like to deal with refugees in an humane way. We are all humans. All worth the same. Some just were lucky to be born in the right place. People who discriminate against refugees in Europe often say, that we should help these people in their home countries. Nobody who welcomes refugees disagrees with that, but that doesn't help the refugees that are already in Greece for example and can not go home because of war. We'd like to evacuate inhumane refugee camps in South-East of Europe and support rescue at sea. The current policy of making living conditions bad for refugees in Europe does not stop people from coming here, we have scientific proof of that. We need to value human rights.
@@obelic71 Taking problems seriously and making necessary decisions, even when your own electorate is being hurt, killed the PvdA. So who blames Rutte if he comes away with it?
The problem is that Rutte is the only person that is somewhat representable to the outside world. Every other politician here is not cut out to lead the country so whatever Rutte does we quickly get over it.
You mention the child benefit scandal "may have led to...." It did. People were incorrectly flagged as fraudsters by the tax office with some going tens to hundreds of thousands of euros into debt. Leading to divorces, lost custody of children and a suicide. Some even discriminated on the basis of their name sounding foreign. The fact VVD has gained a seat has left a lot in anger or disbelief.
@@lollakasfamilianimi3246 Second Chamber is the literal translation of our version of Parliament. We have Tweede Kamer; Second Chamber and Eerste Kamer; First Chamber which is our equivalent House of Lords.
While complicated at least it's representative of most voters. If you want to back proportional representation in the UK support *Make Votes Matter* to bring in equal votes.
@@Obi_boy Agreed but thankfully most of the economically developed democratic world has shown us what these issues can be, whereas in the UK we are clinging on to a system where only 29% of votes matter to the result and dissatisfaction of the system itself tips 61% (especially bad amongst the young)
It’s one of those things that sounds good on the surface but upon deeper reflection proportional rep has far too many issues. No system is without its issues, but i much prefer the uk parliament setup. It is far more stable, doesn’t require constant bargaining between parties which reality shows us can often take the best part of an election cycle and most of all - because of all the endless negotiations between parties, proportional representation systems are really run by their state bureaucracy which is likely for the best since their politicians are busy with the endless task of coalition building. There are some parts of proportional rep I think are better - for instance it does give smaller/fringe parties a better chance and though they are likely smaller/fringe parties for a good reason it does give those voters a better chance of getting a seat in parliament but the costs, of which I listed some above, are just too high. Smaller parties can still win seats in uk system plus in our system, councils have a huge impact on people’s daily lives which is often ignored in the discussion. In my 20’s and into 30’s I like prop rep but I’ve changed my mind over the last 10 years, after living in 7 different western democracies I actually think the uk system runs better than the other options I’ve lived in. Different isn’t always better, I’m not saying The Netherlands system doesn’t necessarily work for them, if a majority are happy with it that’s all that matters.
The UK has at least a stable government and you don't see the "blaming" game before every election(we wanted to do it but the other parties in coalition....)
what now, rutte survived a vote of no confidence baraly 72/76 necessary votes, but parlement did accept a lesser version (in dutch a motie van afkeuring) which was supported by almost everybody including d66 and cda his own current coalition, this just got even more intressting
yeah, parties that supported this 'motie van afkeuring' have to realize that it damages their credibility when they continue talks under the leadership of Rutte. Making a coalition with VVD even more unlikely.
Looking at all the parties and how a vote for any one of them actually matters, I can't help but think that British politics sorely needs more of this.
Holy crap. From the UK I want a multi-party system but there might be too much fragmentation in the Netherlands. So many parties from the same pole and so many fringe parties.
Yeah, but to be honest, the formation puzzle isn't quite as complex as they're putting it here. Based on pure numbers they are correct, but the internal culture within parties also plays a role. Both D66 and the CDA are weathered coalition partners (since 1977, every government has contained at least one of those two parties), and both of them are acutely aware that their voters expect them to enter government if they're given a reasonable chance. Yes, the CDA may have lost seats this time, but I still see them being part of the next cabinet.
I think the only way this could ever happen is if they agree to let some issues be debated and decided in the chamber. I don't think D66 would come to an agreement with CDA or CU otherwise
@@frankdehobbit8989 That's always the case. To form a coalition its always been give and take, even between parties who are both right or left. However with the additional seats D66 has more weight to take a little more or give a little less than before.
I like all this, political parties having to work together for the benefit of the country. Unlike here in the UK a political party can win less than half the votes and run the entire country and claim to speak for the majority
On the other hand it also leads to situations where minority parties with no real support wield disproportionate influence. I'm suspicious of those who call for PR and the like here in the UK, since they went silent when it was UKIP who would have benefited the most. Seems they only really want it for perceived electoral advantage, not because they think it fairer.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. But even then, it could have kept the conservaties more neutral on the issue of stuff like brexit. Now they had to scoop up those brexiteers in order to not split the vote and give power to the left. Which results in part of the Ukip policy becoming Conservative policy, effectively giving Ukip power anyway. I am not sure if RP is the best system for a governent (see for example the previous dutch system with the loaning-system for students while having minority support (basically only VVD)), but I think that it keeps somewhat extreme ideas out of major parties and does make a great opposition.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. I'm a fan of PR generally. While I find UKIP and other parties that Farage has or had any association with to be morally bankrupt, they still deserve a spot. But if the UK system of politics was to be reformed then things like a reformed media is also just as badly needed to ensure a fact driven debate is allowed to air. I also find the two main parties deeply flawed and lacking enough definition in their policies and why they believe it.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. Only slightly. There definitely is a 'kingmaker effect' for smaller parties, but it's nowhere near as large as opponents of PR tend to claim.
@@rjfaber1991 Well, we saw it recently here with the DUP, a party with not one vote for them cast in mainland Britain, and indeed holding opinions beyond the pale for most of us here. There are negatives to FPTP and PR, is my point really, and the PR proponents in the UK have already had somewhat of a taste of them (with both the DUP and Libs) and found them not at all to their liking.
@@Apollorion Sorry i typed too fast, thanks for calling out my spelling, moet echt na gaan lezen hoe ik dingen typ before i forget , obligatory gekoloniseerd
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 Such way of reasoning was indead what I thought of, though I personally do not consider our outgoing prime minister to be rotten.
I guess there's gonna be another video about this because it's beginning to look more and more like Rutte's time is over and Kaag will be prime minister. On one side I would be quite happy if Rutte is going, but if he's replaced by Kaag then I don't know what would be worse.
Last week definitely provided enough content for a follow up video. I would love to see Kaag as Prime Minister, but I think someone of the VVD woud still be more likely.
Some corrections aside from the ones you mentioned... - The info you have is a bit outdated, the VVD only rose 1 seat and D66 gained 5. (but this is pretty recent info) - 8:42 Geert Wilders showing he's part of D66, even though he is the leader of the PVV - Several times Volt is shown centre right, even though they're actually centre left. (I think this is a mistake that started on wikipedia, where it has already been corrected)
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Tbf, it's incredibly hard to place Volt on a one-dimensional left-right scheme.
As of today, the answer to the title is no. All parties except the current coalition voted for a motion of no confidence against Rutte, which was narrowly rejected, and all but his own party voted for a motion of censure, which was of course passed, and now even the smallest coallition member the Christian Union has publicly rejected participating in a government with Rutte, though not with his party. It's looking like the only way out is for Rutte to relinquish any hope for a fourth term as prime minister.
@@JL-ex7yp well I personally do, just like enough peaple here in The Netherlands who voted for them. But I don’t mind it when peaple don’t care about the party. I got multiple parties I dislike my self, but I don’t make a scene about it. Have a Nice day!
Volt is already entered governments in city councils, even though they just entered. So entering a national government is not out of the question. Especially when you consider, that Volt has a clear vision of what they want to achieve in a government. They are not an opposition party that only wants to feel morally superior while tapping their own shoulders like some left or rightwing parties. BTW: A video about Volt would be super interesting! ;)
@@Stan_Vanderakt Not accurate. They want to give the power to the people of Europe by giving the EU Parlament more power. They also want to have Federation like Switzerland, USA or Germany were more power is given to a local level. The idea is to be able to tackle the problems on a level where people can solve them.
@@rioalfacinha Volt can't get into the Dutch government. They have no political experience and have 0 Senators to support the government in the Senate. Meaning: irrelevant.
@@DutchMolenaar Experience can be gained. I think a coalition with Volt is not the first option. but if Rutte fails twice to form a government coalition, Volt will get into the picture.
The problem with Volt is that they consist of political newcomers who have great ideals but no experience at all. They have clearly stated that they aren't ready to be part of a cabinet yet. That said, I've seen more unlikely things happen in the past.
That could play in favor of that last coalition mentioned, as they could ask for less consecions and be just compromise to give external support to government in mayor issues (that would give Volt more freedom, as it would not be fully tied to the government)
Absolutely, but I think they could definitely be convinced. Their ideological closeness to D66 means that if the next government's policies come out looking good for D66, they'll make Volt look good too, so it's unlikely they'll pay a price at the next elections for having gone into government, and as you said, they are a party of ideals, so if D66 comes knocking and tells them that they need Volt to make the next government a properly progressive one, I think they'll be receptive to that. Of course they don't have any immediate minister material on their party list, but I'm sure they could find a few technocrats who are sympathetic to Volt's ideas who could be their ministers, and with Volt's size, it'd be unlikely for them to send more than one minister and one or two state secretaries to the next government anyway.
@@rjfaber1991 Yeah, although in some ways it feels like asking the intern to take place at the board of directors because they agree with your ideas. (not the best comparison, but I think you should understand the feel here)
That isn't necessarily true. Killing a party doesn't eliminate its followers. Assuming you also eleminate Fvd and JA21 (as those would just aborb them), those followers would walk to VVD and turn that party more right (and VVD already has a large following). Having those followers stored in a specific party allows other parties to exclude them in coalition (instead of them being part of the biggest party). To make it clear: I agree that the points of the PVV are abhorent, but eleminating the party doesn't solve the underlying problem (of people agreeing with them).
A very important issue that is not mentioned in this video is that a coalition would also need a majority in the Senate to be effective in any way. So a coalition with Volt is for that reason very unlikely to happen as are some other combinations mentioned in this video
In italy when the government fail and we had too much close elections, we usually create a technical government with some experts usually chosen by the president. They explain to me that sadly for Spain 🇪🇸 every time the government fail they have an election, and never an emergency government.
@@emib6599 Here we keep the previous government until they're able to form a new one, even if that includes holding another election. Fun fact: we spent around 15% of the 2010s under a caretaker government.
@@dnw009 exactly, so far rutte always talks right wing when elections are around the corner and than after he starts a left wing coalition. Hope this time there will be atleast 1 right wing party in it.
I'm Dutch and have followed the election closely. I think this video does a great job of summarizing the results. There's more drama going on here right now, so would love to see you cover that too.
@@darrenbutler9819 Well if he loses most chances are there will just be 5th elections. When the other much slimmer chance, is some weird coalitions led by Bennet, who is more right-wing then Netanyahu. No chance of an actual left-center government this round
I did not vote the VVD (Mark Rutte). but i think people like him for being such a normal average guy. He just lives in a apartment and goes on a bicycle to work. On a nice day you can even spot him enjoying the sun, sitting at a terrace in front of a bar. Blending in with his fellow countrymen. An attitude that i really appreciate about him.
@@xshme Indeed, for some reason you can't say that for many other politicians. Maybe the newcomers from Volt and Ja21 are such people. I learned that Eerdmans (ja21) even plays as a dj on parties. And Dassen (Volt) looks like he's still a student. Judging how young that he looks like.
I think you overlooked something else than already mentioned in the comments: The VVD is the biggest party so they now have all the initiative to form a coalition, but if they fail the others will try to form a majority coalition without the VVD first before there will be new elections.
That why I was still deciding between volt and D66 when I needed to cast my vote. However D66 had not done much in this coalition, that’s why I voted volt. If they get a more progressive coalition these four years they might win my vote back.
This is great news for the Dutch people. FOOD SECURITY IS ABOUT TO BECOME THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE AROUND THE WORLD. All Dutch people should be supporting the farmers.
Yeah the Child Allowance Scandel was mostly focussed on people with migrant backgrounds or with a foreign partner. This is a very important element which is never talked about
Having Volt joining the coalition would be a god-send for D66, actually, I think all parties would profit long-term. To the Duchies around how likely do you think this is? I remember a NRC article saying Volt isn't interested
I don't think it would be a godsend for D66. They want more leftist orientated parties to join in if only for more climate change. I think they're going to try to get Groen Links to be the 4th if D66/VVD/CDA will be the core. But before that even happens we'll have to see what D66 and CDA will do.
Volt mentioned they're unlikely to join a coalition because they're new in politics. They want to gain in seats and experience before they do a thing like that. Aside from what they've said, there's also the question how much leverage they can get with their seats in the coalition. Joining the coalition now may require too much compromise from them... (although they're pretty close to D66)
@@Sarnatuile so GL won't join if PVDA doesn't (am I too trusting in Klaver?) and TLDR said it accurately: really hard for Rutte to accept it. Volt is a much easier companion they'll accept any economic policy. For d66 it is a godsend because they have have friendly party in coalition with them (even better, the coalition depends on Volt) :they avoid a repeat of PVDA after the purple coalition. Plus they dont have a competing party outside of coalition that can criticize every unpopular thing D66 does
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 that is a very fair point. However I think it can change (maybe Volt also say that to get more slack). 1) the coalition depends on them, they can make Rutte fall 2) Volt is very one issue and that helps immensely: voters know what they are getting with Volt--> an intransigent party on EU
@@theophileburtz1624 I don't think Volt would join without Rutte stepping back from the 'frugal four' alliance and their blocking of EU expansion. Volt can't be in government together with D66 and not have that same government be extremely pro-EU, which would be a huge change from Rutte's EU stance so far.
The Netherlands never heard of an electoral threshold? That would solve many problems of forming a coalition. In Germany every party needs 5% to get seats in parliament.
We have that, but that is equal to the amount of votes necessary to get a single seat, so it doesn't really do anything in some sense. The advantage of not having it, is that this way even small minorities are still represented fairly. For example the BBB, the farmers party, would never have made it onto parliament otherwise, but now they have 1 seat.
The VVD would love to have the CDA in the coalition, the D66 would love to have the Greens in the coalition, but they may have to settle for the slightly more moderate Labor Party.
You left out the one coalition that is now being discussed (apart from what we currently have); VVD, D66, CDA and JA21. The coalitions on the left are not likely to happen, they all suffered heavy loses and don’t want to join a coalition with the VVD. also VOLT does not want to participate in the kabinet. Another coalition that is not likely to happen, but you forgot to mention is a right conservative coalition; VVD, CDA, PVV, FvD, JA21 (with possibly the inclusion of SGP).
The biggest Christian party (CDA) used to be really big (50 seats or more). The other two (Christenunie, SGP) have always been quite small, but have a very loyal voter base. A lot of Dutch voters today were raised in families where the parents traditionally voted for one of the Christian parties, but they themselves are happy to vote for other parties that are more to their liking. Today, the Christian parties combined have a lot less seats than they used to, which is a reflection of the secularization in the Netherlands.
@Sdtok Yeah I have suspected that it's more about the values. However, what is the real difference between western values (enlightenment etc) and the ones of the Christian parties?
You're videos about Dutch politics are more informative and better explained than most Dutch videos about Dutch politics. Same for other videos about EU-countries. I subscribed immediately. Keep all those coming!
Today Rutte (VVD) announced that he also sees possibilities in a coalition with JA21. That would mean he leans more to the right side of the spectrum. But it also could be just a tactical choice, because he knows Kaag (D66) will not want to cooperate in such coalition. So when Kaag says no to this option, Rutte will also be able to say no to a more left proposal from D66.
VVD has always been more right leaning, but not far like FVD. JA21 is a perfectly fine party to me, and they're very similar to the VVD in many ways, a better alternative to D66 in my opinion
@@LAKD true that VVD is right leaning, always been that way. But what I meant is that in this video more left coalitions are shown as an example. And that Rutte also had other possibilities than just left parties to form a new coalition with.
Everything Mark Rutte wants is just staying Prime Minister for as long as possible. So the last option with VVD, D66, GL, PvdA and Volt would be even more likely because Rutte would possibly be in power for another four years which realistically (except if there is another huge crisis), is everything he will be able to get.
How does anything get done in the Netherlands when no-one in the government can agree on anything and it takes 8 months to form one in the first place.
And the future of progressive and green leftists too? If these graphics are correct, economically centrist but socially/culturally progressive, leaving behind both associations between being neoliberal to being conservative/authoritarian and being progressive to being anti-free market. On paper, sounds good to me. And I assume many of the votes lost by the leftist parties went to D66. Just for clarification all my knowledge about D66 or Dutch politics at large comes from these two vids.
Vvd d66 labour party and the greens (75) might get to 76 now that d66 has risen to 24 at the cost of vvd. the vvd might regain this seat at the cost of fvd. Which would make this coalition possible
I still expect to see CU in a coalition earlier than Volt, CU have more experience in goverment and volt being new in the tweede kamer are to new to be trusted in Ruttes eyes.
The news today mentioned Rutte's suggestion to have D66 and JA21 in a coalition. That's going to be tough negotiations with the anti EU policies of JA21 and pro EU policies of D66.
There is a major oversight in this video. Rutte can form a minority government. This is not unheard of. Rutte 3 (the previous one) also was a minority government after a party defection. A minority government is difficult as it requires seeking an alliance for every proposal, but that is not that difficult as depending on the specific proposal there are a lot of options for that. A minority government would be much les risky then new elections.
The VVD's entire campaign was just: we got Mark Rutte
And that of D66 was "We don't have Rutte"
Gotta love politicking of two major parties
Edit: spelling
@@benfarmer-webb1016 you being serious?
I live in the Netherlands, we do not, under any circumstances, have a two party system, really really really far from it.
Can't wait until he can't go on and the VVD utterly collapses in on itself like the CDA did.
This video litteraly shows how far the Netherlands is from a two-party system. Right now, the goverment will have to be formed from at least 4 parties. How is that a 2 party system?
Dutch person here: very high quality video, much more informed than many other foreign media I've seen discuss our election!
Very much agree! Every time I thought: 'I hope they include ... because otherwise it would be incomplete', and every time it was actually included
@@martpuk5608 and also nice that they try to be as neutral as possible
@Mohamed Fair enough. Although a majority in both houses acceptable to all parties involved will be impossible anyway.
@@Thomaster9999 Yes. And even if that happens in 2 years you got the Province elections so the Eerste Kamer gets shuffled up again
@@djdewaal289 Also true. I really think we should change the way that works. The 'senate', which is supposed to be this neutral reflecting body looking at if laws are executable or lawful, has become a politicised puppet party politics while because of coinciding provincial elections actual provincial representation gets completely overshadowed by national political struggles in the senate. The fact that we're even talking about 'we need a majority in the senate' shows ths failure of the very institute itself.
Belgium: "what? only 225 days? that rather quick"
fun fact: because when the coalition forming last time was starting to take long, Mark Rutte himself actually started to use the term "Belgium practices" for the coalition forming.
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 As a belgian I cannot argue against that ^^
Nonetheless we should find a way to solve that systemic issue ... at the moment it's only carrying on with the old mandate with diminished powers, it works, but there should be better
@@jacobsxavier6082 See whatever the Netherlands does, the Belgians don't seem to learn from it. In fact they make it worse. Long coalitions, unnecessary complex bureaucracy, road conditions etc. People shouldn't do that. And quick question why on earth do you need 6 parliaments? Seriously what is wrong with you guys?!
@@maxvandenberg955 Well, try to get the french and flemmish speaking around a table and you'll start to notice the issue. It's not simply that these two communities have different languages, ways of thinking but even morality has differences. It's a bit as if the netherlands and france had the same government deciding of the same policies, this wouldn't end well as you wouldn't understand eachothers language, way of thinking, way of perceiving the world... if you cannot even agree about what is going on how could you agree on what is the problem and how to agree what is the solution ?
Once this first problem has been considered take into account 'communautarism', basically us against them, the french speaking who only understand french (because reasons) only get french speaking news and information about what happens on the flemmish speaking side and vice versa (I'm from the frontier region so I understand both regions), tribalism pushes these two communities against one another.
Sorry for the long answer but to summarize those two issues: tribalism and two different worlds
@@j.s.1878 Well, you're belgium on steroïds AND with an extra divisive factor of religion AND with the extra stuff of corruption AND I'm pretty sure that there must be some ethnic differences on the pile as well, you're really f...d, I feel with you bro
In the latest update, D66 got 1 seat extra (24), while the VVD lost 1 seat (34)
Doesn’t change anything for formation talks unfortunately
@@evilmarc but it might mean even more leverage for D66... especially also over VVD, who now barely still qualifies as having gained support.
JA21 also down to 3
even better!
@@evilmarc The only thing that changes is that the VVD has become weaker, making it harder for a coalition
8:45 Geert Wilders suddenly became a far more progressive politician haha
Lol
Funny, Since PVV and D66 are like the archenemies in the parlement
He’d be just as offended as D66 tbf
yea please fix this especially for an international audience this looks quite .. let's say confusing
@@OverSebas Remember when Pechtold was still the leader of D66. Man Wilders vs Pechtold was like firework.
6:09 It's ok animator, we still love you
See you later animator...
In a while runny bile.
We love you animator, even though your ego is fragile.
Also @ 8:48, Wilders' D66.
I hope TLDRnews is keeping their animator supplied with enough tea
❤
anyone knows what the animator uses for these videos?
When the Finance Minister doesn't know the numbers of his own economic plan, you start to wonder how this guy was ever qualified to be the Finance Minister.
A question thats true for many polititians internationally it seems... I get that "capable" or rather "qualified" polititians have to exist somewhere logically and yet I often wonder where they are hiding and why the morons have no problem whatsoever, to rise into high positions
Tbf to Hoekstra, he was put in as #1 candidate at the last second as originally someone else was supposed to be the CDA's candidate for the elections but he dropped out late due being Health minister(covid) as he underestimated the combined workload. So an unprepared hoekstra who originally rejected the #1 CDA position for election to focus on his task as minister, was pushed to the front once again + lack of cohesion in the party.
Edit: grammar and bit more clarity
@@thepax6390 It's a lot of internal party-politics that decide who gets a place at the table. Hoekstra has long been a powerful CDA-figure, allowing him to claim the role as Finance Minister.
@@thepax6390 in a post i made earlier i explained that hoekstra was not involved in the campaign for the elections until the dropout of the CDA's original candidate. Hoekstra had no involvement in the creation of the party's program for the elections and the direction of the campaign and was basically handed down a prewritten program as the program was set in stone at the point the original candidate backed down.
Its much harder to make a program your own if you didnt participate in the creation of it. The only thing that u can blame him is that he shouldve prepared it better, which considering his experience was no easy task
@@augustus331
Hoekstra studied Law and Business Administration, I think he is definitely more suited for the role of Secretary of Finance than someone like Dijsselbloem was (who studied Agricultural economics).
Why is this channel making me more interested in Dutch politics when I'm in Australia haha
What are you curious about?
As a dutch person, though...
Our political system is just the step-in you need to start understanding Belgium politics.
Australia? that is a weird way to write
NEW HOLLAND! ( only if you live in west australia though)
@@gerbenvanessen Not all that is water belongs to the Netherlands... (yet)
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 the lack of water management infrastructure is due to landing there, calling it new holland and then swiftly leaving when we discovered no spices.
we are very sorry.
Don't worry, Mr Animator, we still love you.
Additionally, Volt have already said they will most likely not enter a coalition, because they are so new. They might come back on that statement, but it would be a bad move for them to enter such a fragile cabinet.
Maybe, their inexperience might be problematic for them yet they can also make a very strong early name for themselves like this. Furthermore, some voters might not like them passing on the opportunity of throwing some weight around early. I for one am in that camp and would like to see them bring some extra pro European voices in the coalition.
They might lose me and others to D66 or Green left otherwise.
well, if the formation takes as long as 4 years ago, they will be experienced by the time the coalition is formed.
@@janSimiman True enough XD
Though given the situation it would no be preferable. Especially with how much would be set in stone again in regard to policy.
They *could* enter a coalition in "gedoogsteun", they would support most of the plans but dont have to put they're name on anything if they dont want to
@@Lordblow1 Although having a bit of extra power (coalition wise) might do them good, being so small in the coalition also means they barely have leverage over the other coalition parties. To make compomises, it might mean losing more power than they will gain...
I think they should offer, but also be quick to decline. A coalition isn't worth losing all ideals for.
UPDATE:
VVD : 34 Seats -1
D66 : 24 Seats +1
JA21 : 3 Seats -1
One seat vanished?
@@ikschrijflangenamen Looking at the map at 1:36, it looks like here DENK is projected at 2 seats, while in reality they are now expected to hit 3. So that's the vanished seat.
DENK, however, is not discussed in this video, so I guess it was a bit forgotten about.
@@ikschrijflangenamen I just corrected the number of seats of the parties that were mentioned in the video, of course no seats vanished
@@RenzoRds Thats what I meant indeed, because DENK is not really mentioned in the video and is not even shown in the political spectrum
@@weetikveelgames2513 Now you mention it... yeah they are missing.
You missed out on the fact that most of these coalitions only have enough support in the Tweede Kamer, not in the Eerste Kamer.
Fair point... Most people often forget. But then again... it might not be mandatory for a coalition to have a majority in both.
VVD D66 PVDA and GL will have a majority in the Senate ( Eerste kamer) but JA 21 does aswell which Rutte recently hinted at he didnt want to rule them out (yet)
The current cabinet doesn't have a majority there either. It's nice to have a majority in both chambers of parliament, but it is entirely possible to find First Chamber allies on a case-by-case basis.
@@theburnix there's no way D66 and JA21 will cooperate.
@@Lagiacrus1996 true, Rutte just wants to act like that's his favourite coalition, so he can force D66 to come to a compromise where their favourite coalition is also ruled out. This would result in another coalition with CU and CDA I figure (I hope Kaag doesn't do that though)
The seat distribution used in the video is slightly off from current projections (VVD one less, D66 one more, JA21 one less, etc.) but that could be because it's changing every day and you recorded this a few days ago
I’m not sure at what time ur referring to but at a certain point he puts a disclaimer in the top corner saying the animator messed up
Correct, due to exact calculations of the final results. These came in on monday 22 march '21 at 12h
The result are finale now and Ja21 has 3 seats.
@@royblekman8186 All ballots have been counted, the final result will be called by the electoral council (Kiesraad) on March 26th and published in the Staatscourant, the states newspaper (wherein all new laws and new regulations of the governments are published). The time until then will be used to control, investigate and maybe recount of certain polling stations, when there are irregularities established by the electoral council.
@@royblekman8186 not finale theyw il be called soon
Me living across the ocean from the netherlands on another continent: interesting
Well, these things make you a well-rounded and interesting person:).
Thanks for giving s hoot😉
8:42 this graphic is clearly designed to anger Wilders, putting him with D66 lol
I didn't know he was in PVV. I thought he was in D66. Thanks for clarifying.
@@krishaysrivastav6043 He is the leader of PVV.
@@krishaysrivastav6043 he’s the only formal member of PVV actually.
Wikipedia says Wilders was never a D66 member though.
It's true that proportional representation is more work for politicians, but it gives a relatively proportional voice to every point of view, acknowledging that not everything is black and white and avoiding the political extremism that happens in the US for example. I say that's worth the extra work
It makes the 'we are not those guys' strategy invalid which alone forces parties to actually talk about issues and adapt their policy.
Image proportional parties in the us. The white nationalist party would probably be the largest
@@bunceman4613
Why?
@@bunceman4613 Maybe, but would they be able to get a majority coalition? A large party doesn't necessarily mean being able to work together (like the PVV in the netherlands). I am not that well versed in politics outside of the netherlands (very centre) and US (very binary), so I don't know for sure, but an extreme party wouldn't do that well in proportional systems. I have serisous doubts that the centre-right (like romney-esqe) would rather work with the far right than with the centre-left. I think the US it too polarized for real cooperation for a propotianal system, but I wouldn't think extremists (either left or right) do well in such a system (but I only follow the Netherlands as an example).
@@IkeOkerekeNews ya seen how big white nationalism is over there?
The only thing stopping the current republican party going full fascist is the checks and balances.
One thing you didn't get exactly right. SP hasn't ruled out with governing with VVD this time around. They just said it would be very difficult
They don't really want to work with Rutte, which is fair considering the political distance.
@@stefangrobbink7760 I really do not think the very progressive coalition is going to happen
@@frederikjrgensen252 not with Rutte as pm no. It's more likely Forum will join the coalition than the SP will.
@@stefangrobbink7760 What about Geert wilder? is that even further away than the sp?
@@frederikjrgensen252 No. Geert has been asked if he would want to join the coaltion if he retracted his "minder Marrokanen" statement and let go on his anti-islam policies. He immediately answered: Never.
He will not join a coalition without dropping that, and he is unwilling to do so. He seems perfectly fine staying in the opposition though, as he isn't the type to plan ahead or negotiate, but likes to kick 'em in the knees a bit.
Great video! We need future videos like this for every European elections!
As a Dutchman, I find it entertaining that this is video can lecture me on the Dutch election results, and the possible formations of a coalition. Mainly because the Dutch media is not producing this kind of content. Cheers, and thank you for the information. Groetjes uit Utrecht!
One point not mentioned: Ja21 has a significant presence in the first chamber (equal to house of lords). They could become a major facor in coalition talks
Though I don't think it's likely that the larger more progressive-focussed parties would like to work with Ja21. If it comes down to a large patchwork of many parties they might become a part of the coalition, but not as it stands.
I believe d66 has already ruled out any cooperation with ja21, making it very hard to govern
Although it's nice to have a majority in the first chamber, Rutte's previous cabinets governed without a majority there so I don't think it will be a determining factor. Especially since D66 will probably refuse to govern with such a rightwing party
@@timofaber808 D66 hasn't ruled out JA21, they just figure it will be hard to do. But they explicitely rule out PVV and FvD without mentioning JA21. And the VVD has actually suggested that JA21 join the coalition in the current setup, replacing CU. Which will be hard for D66 to accept I suppose.
@@timofaber808 They have called it unlikely, but if JA21 is willing to compromise a lot to govern it might be an opportunity. Kaag doesn’t want it as JA21 is conservative, Rutte does as they are right-wing and have a lot of influence in the first chamber.
At this point, i want to thank you guys from TLDR to deliver such news about Europe, as a European, it's pretty hard to get political news of other European countries you don't live, so I am very thankful that this channel exist, keep going and keep growing
Which is a bit ridiculous in a way. In Holland we get so much coverage of the US, but barely on Germany, let alone countries like Denmark, Czech Republic or Switzerlad.
@@gnoetv i know, here in Germany, we may get an article on the "Tageschau" (Our state run media platform for general political news) and maybe one or two articals on private news outlets, which all have about 3 min reading time and just generally cover the party, the election and what the future awaits. They don't cover the election up front, they don't talk about the country a few months after the election and they just talk about the main government parties, but not the smaller ones and the special sides of individual politics(like the many Dutch parties). However, we get weekly articles about the US and what is happening there, it's is really annoying not being able to know what is happening in other European countries
@@gnoetv Yeah. We only get a brief mention of "This party and this guy has won in (country) elections". Germany and Belgium does get a bit more coverage, but still not enough.
Jup, exactly. I was very glad to find this channel. I literally know more about American news than I know about European news half the time because it's so much easier to find.
Honestly same I so happy to have found this channel😌
I am wondering when a video on volt wil come out as the pan European party
Eagerly waiting too!
Yes please! TLDR News, do your thing!
I support this motion
Would be great
Fantastic idea.
Animal Party +1 seat = "which isn't great"
Animal Party expected +1-2 seats = "a lot better"...
Yeah, I wouldn't say they're one of the losers... they actually out-performed themselves.
Well if you take into account that none of the other left parties “took their votes” you could say they performed a little worse than you would expect.
It's actually a very good result. For years the animal party had the same number of seats each election. It was a steady, very small party just like SGP (fundamentalist Christian party). And now they seem to have shaken that off, and they're growing.
"Second round of elections is extremely rare"
Israel who had their fourth snap election in two years today: say sike right now
חמישית כנראה *
Luckily we're not Israel though
I don't apologize to genocidal maniacs.
Israel is a democracy, the Netherlands are not. Dutch are not citizens but subjects to the crown. We don't choose our leaders, they are appointed. Our king doesn't give a shit about the country going to hell, he lives in Greece on his private-island or goes skiing in Switzerland, payed for with tax-money. Why should he care, his family plundered the country for nearly a century and never gave a damn about the people. Rutte knows that and is basically a dictator.
As a US citizen new to Dutch politics, I found this very helpful. Thank you for this explanation. It will be interesting to watch things develop.
You could do a full video of Volt. There are more national elections we're participating in this year.
What is volts standpoints on immigration
@@jeroenarendonk4160 There's legal immigration and there are refugees. We would like to regulate both on the european level.
Work immigration is something we need and should support. No party really disagrees with that. We'd like to dismantle birocratic hurds and avoid brain drains.
We'd like to deal with refugees in an humane way. We are all humans. All worth the same. Some just were lucky to be born in the right place.
People who discriminate against refugees in Europe often say, that we should help these people in their home countries. Nobody who welcomes refugees disagrees with that, but that doesn't help the refugees that are already in Greece for example and can not go home because of war.
We'd like to evacuate inhumane refugee camps in South-East of Europe and support rescue at sea.
The current policy of making living conditions bad for refugees in Europe does not stop people from coming here, we have scientific proof of that. We need to value human rights.
Your agenda on immigration and tackling the refugee crisis is bad
@@Vinylkk you're bad
@@Vinylkk can you elaborate? why is it bad?
Nothing sticks to rutte, and rutte sticks to nothing
every country gets the goverment we deserve.
It seems after the last election we like to have a goverment who laughs all problems away.
@@obelic71 Taking problems seriously and making necessary decisions, even when your own electorate is being hurt, killed the PvdA.
So who blames Rutte if he comes away with it?
To quote a danish politician: "You have a standpoint until you adopt another"
The problem is that Rutte is the only person that is somewhat representable to the outside world. Every other politician here is not cut out to lead the country so whatever Rutte does we quickly get over it.
@@vrenak Mark Rutte doesn't take any clear standpoint, so nobody can notice when he changes opinion. And even that is unclear.
You mention the child benefit scandal "may have led to...." It did. People were incorrectly flagged as fraudsters by the tax office with some going tens to hundreds of thousands of euros into debt. Leading to divorces, lost custody of children and a suicide. Some even discriminated on the basis of their name sounding foreign. The fact VVD has gained a seat has left a lot in anger or disbelief.
Update from the netherlands: VOLT doesn’t want to be in the coalition because they want to explore the second chamber first..
They are letting a golden opportunity slide, this will bite them in the... You know what, later.
They had no chance anyway. Easy talking...
Second chamber 😂😂😂
what does that mean i dont understand
@@lollakasfamilianimi3246 Second Chamber is the literal translation of our version of Parliament.
We have Tweede Kamer; Second Chamber and Eerste Kamer; First Chamber which is our equivalent House of Lords.
While complicated at least it's representative of most voters.
If you want to back proportional representation in the UK support *Make Votes Matter* to bring in equal votes.
Proportional votes also comes with problems.
@@Obi_boy Agreed but thankfully most of the economically developed democratic world has shown us what these issues can be, whereas in the UK we are clinging on to a system where only 29% of votes matter to the result and dissatisfaction of the system itself tips 61% (especially bad amongst the young)
It’s one of those things that sounds good on the surface but upon deeper reflection proportional rep has far too many issues. No system is without its issues, but i much prefer the uk parliament setup. It is far more stable, doesn’t require constant bargaining between parties which reality shows us can often take the best part of an election cycle and most of all - because of all the endless negotiations between parties, proportional representation systems are really run by their state bureaucracy which is likely for the best since their politicians are busy with the endless task of coalition building. There are some parts of proportional rep I think are better - for instance it does give smaller/fringe parties a better chance and though they are likely smaller/fringe parties for a good reason it does give those voters a better chance of getting a seat in parliament but the costs, of which I listed some above, are just too high. Smaller parties can still win seats in uk system plus in our system, councils have a huge impact on people’s daily lives which is often ignored in the discussion. In my 20’s and into 30’s I like prop rep but I’ve changed my mind over the last 10 years, after living in 7 different western democracies I actually think the uk system runs better than the other options I’ve lived in. Different isn’t always better, I’m not saying The Netherlands system doesn’t necessarily work for them, if a majority are happy with it that’s all that matters.
The UK has at least a stable government and you don't see the "blaming" game before every election(we wanted to do it but the other parties in coalition....)
@@markdickson3820 I agree, I also prefer the Dutch system
what now, rutte survived a vote of no confidence baraly 72/76 necessary votes, but parlement did accept a lesser version (in dutch a motie van afkeuring) which was supported by almost everybody including d66 and cda his own current coalition, this just got even more intressting
yeah, parties that supported this 'motie van afkeuring' have to realize that it damages their credibility when they continue talks under the leadership of Rutte. Making a coalition with VVD even more unlikely.
Happy to see Volt mentioned 💜
That editor's note on 5:58 is why you guys are so awesome ;) Keep it up!
Looking at all the parties and how a vote for any one of them actually matters, I can't help but think that British politics sorely needs more of this.
Holy crap. From the UK I want a multi-party system but there might be too much fragmentation in the Netherlands. So many parties from the same pole and so many fringe parties.
a second round is unlikely
me in israel after 3 elections in a row: everyone think so until it happens
Yeah, but to be honest, the formation puzzle isn't quite as complex as they're putting it here. Based on pure numbers they are correct, but the internal culture within parties also plays a role. Both D66 and the CDA are weathered coalition partners (since 1977, every government has contained at least one of those two parties), and both of them are acutely aware that their voters expect them to enter government if they're given a reasonable chance. Yes, the CDA may have lost seats this time, but I still see them being part of the next cabinet.
For clarification, we already *had* three, today is the forth in a row.
Oh boi
@@iddomargalit-friedman3897 can you call that in a row when we had a government in the middle
@@rjfaber1991 now that sounds even more like the situation in Israel
If by a new coalition you mean the old coalition, then yes. He can form that, again.
I think the only way this could ever happen is if they agree to let some issues be debated and decided in the chamber. I don't think D66 would come to an agreement with CDA or CU otherwise
@@frankdehobbit8989 That's always the case. To form a coalition its always been give and take, even between parties who are both right or left. However with the additional seats D66 has more weight to take a little more or give a little less than before.
I like all this, political parties having to work together for the benefit of the country. Unlike here in the UK a political party can win less than half the votes and run the entire country and claim to speak for the majority
On the other hand it also leads to situations where minority parties with no real support wield disproportionate influence. I'm suspicious of those who call for PR and the like here in the UK, since they went silent when it was UKIP who would have benefited the most. Seems they only really want it for perceived electoral advantage, not because they think it fairer.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. But even then, it could have kept the conservaties more neutral on the issue of stuff like brexit. Now they had to scoop up those brexiteers in order to not split the vote and give power to the left. Which results in part of the Ukip policy becoming Conservative policy, effectively giving Ukip power anyway. I am not sure if RP is the best system for a governent (see for example the previous dutch system with the loaning-system for students while having minority support (basically only VVD)), but I think that it keeps somewhat extreme ideas out of major parties and does make a great opposition.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. I'm a fan of PR generally. While I find UKIP and other parties that Farage has or had any association with to be morally bankrupt, they still deserve a spot. But if the UK system of politics was to be reformed then things like a reformed media is also just as badly needed to ensure a fact driven debate is allowed to air. I also find the two main parties deeply flawed and lacking enough definition in their policies and why they believe it.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. Only slightly. There definitely is a 'kingmaker effect' for smaller parties, but it's nowhere near as large as opponents of PR tend to claim.
@@rjfaber1991 Well, we saw it recently here with the DUP, a party with not one vote for them cast in mainland Britain, and indeed holding opinions beyond the pale for most of us here. There are negatives to FPTP and PR, is my point really, and the PR proponents in the UK have already had somewhat of a taste of them (with both the DUP and Libs) and found them not at all to their liking.
As a dutch person, this certainly helps me understand my own country
Your image at 8:42 says Geert Wilders -D66 instead of PVV
Its like saying trunp is left progressive
this is the first year SP didn't completely object against ruling with Rutte but the will want actual concessions.
dutch guy and SP voter.
"dutch guy and SP voter."
@@Apollorion Because Rutte is "Rotten"?
@@Apollorion Sorry i typed too fast, thanks for calling out my spelling, moet echt na gaan lezen hoe ik dingen typ before i forget , obligatory gekoloniseerd
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 Such way of reasoning was indead what I thought of, though I personally do not consider our outgoing prime minister to be rotten.
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 dat ook , that too
Me as a Canadian excited about Dutch elections more than Canadian elections
I guess there's gonna be another video about this because it's beginning to look more and more like Rutte's time is over and Kaag will be prime minister. On one side I would be quite happy if Rutte is going, but if he's replaced by Kaag then I don't know what would be worse.
Last week definitely provided enough content for a follow up video. I would love to see Kaag as Prime Minister, but I think someone of the VVD woud still be more likely.
Great video! Please make a Video about Volt Europa :D
The Volt-Party sounds pretty interesting, you guys should do a video about this one.
Some corrections aside from the ones you mentioned...
- The info you have is a bit outdated, the VVD only rose 1 seat and D66 gained 5. (but this is pretty recent info)
- 8:42 Geert Wilders showing he's part of D66, even though he is the leader of the PVV
- Several times Volt is shown centre right, even though they're actually centre left. (I think this is a mistake that started on wikipedia, where it has already been corrected)
Tbf, it's incredibly hard to place Volt on a one-dimensional left-right scheme.
@ True, they're in the centre for a reason. But they have claimed themselves that their ideals are centre-left. (mostly because volt-europe is)
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 As a Volter myself, I can't remember us ever affiliating with any term on the left-right scheme.
Volt is centrist.
Maybe because D66 and volt overlap a lot. So they had to place it besides it.
YEYY VOOOOLLLLTTTT 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Volt 💜
As of today, the answer to the title is no. All parties except the current coalition voted for a motion of no confidence against Rutte, which was narrowly rejected, and all but his own party voted for a motion of censure, which was of course passed, and now even the smallest coallition member the Christian Union has publicly rejected participating in a government with Rutte, though not with his party. It's looking like the only way out is for Rutte to relinquish any hope for a fourth term as prime minister.
Even as a Dutchman these videos are quite helpful
there's another problem, Volt does not want to join a coalition yet. wich is becouse they are new and first want to learn.
Nobody gives a fuck about volt
@@JL-ex7yp well I personally do, just like enough peaple here in The Netherlands who voted for them. But I don’t mind it when peaple don’t care about the party. I got multiple parties I dislike my self, but I don’t make a scene about it. Have a Nice day!
Volt is already entered governments in city councils, even though they just entered. So entering a national government is not out of the question. Especially when you consider, that Volt has a clear vision of what they want to achieve in a government. They are not an opposition party that only wants to feel morally superior while tapping their own shoulders like some left or rightwing parties.
BTW: A video about Volt would be super interesting! ;)
You're right! A video about volt would be nice!
Volt can be summarized in 1 sentence:
"We do not want to do anything, let Brussels decide everything."
@@Stan_Vanderakt Not accurate. They want to give the power to the people of Europe by giving the EU Parlament more power. They also want to have Federation like Switzerland, USA or Germany were more power is given to a local level. The idea is to be able to tackle the problems on a level where people can solve them.
@@rioalfacinha Volt can't get into the Dutch government. They have no political experience and have 0 Senators to support the government in the Senate. Meaning: irrelevant.
@@DutchMolenaar Experience can be gained. I think a coalition with Volt is not the first option. but if Rutte fails twice to form a government coalition, Volt will get into the picture.
Not even all parties were mentioned
SGP: 3 seats
DENK: 3 seats
50 PLUS: 1 seat
BBB: 1 seat
BIJ1: 1 seat
The problem with Volt is that they consist of political newcomers who have great ideals but no experience at all. They have clearly stated that they aren't ready to be part of a cabinet yet. That said, I've seen more unlikely things happen in the past.
That could play in favor of that last coalition mentioned, as they could ask for less consecions and be just compromise to give external support to government in mayor issues (that would give Volt more freedom, as it would not be fully tied to the government)
Absolutely, but I think they could definitely be convinced. Their ideological closeness to D66 means that if the next government's policies come out looking good for D66, they'll make Volt look good too, so it's unlikely they'll pay a price at the next elections for having gone into government, and as you said, they are a party of ideals, so if D66 comes knocking and tells them that they need Volt to make the next government a properly progressive one, I think they'll be receptive to that.
Of course they don't have any immediate minister material on their party list, but I'm sure they could find a few technocrats who are sympathetic to Volt's ideas who could be their ministers, and with Volt's size, it'd be unlikely for them to send more than one minister and one or two state secretaries to the next government anyway.
They could be pulled in just to fill the majority requirement. Still better than JA21, which isn't saying much.
@@rjfaber1991 Yeah, although in some ways it feels like asking the intern to take place at the board of directors because they agree with your ideas. (not the best comparison, but I think you should understand the feel here)
I'm glad the PVV did worse than expected, parties like that need to die off.
That isn't necessarily true. Killing a party doesn't eliminate its followers. Assuming you also eleminate Fvd and JA21 (as those would just aborb them), those followers would walk to VVD and turn that party more right (and VVD already has a large following). Having those followers stored in a specific party allows other parties to exclude them in coalition (instead of them being part of the biggest party).
To make it clear: I agree that the points of the PVV are abhorent, but eleminating the party doesn't solve the underlying problem (of people agreeing with them).
The even more extreme fvd became three times as big tho
Ja idd.
unless the left can attract more working class votes, I don't see that happening
@@janSimiman
SP has really tried, but it doesn't seem to work
Could you make a video where you place all the major European parties in the coordinate system of the political compass?
Oh yeah it would be really great and very helpful!
A very important issue that is not mentioned in this video is that a coalition would also need a majority in the Senate to be effective in any way. So a coalition with Volt is for that reason very unlikely to happen as are some other combinations mentioned in this video
"A second round of elections is incredibly rare and would only happen in exceptional circumstances".
Spain: hold my ballot.
I think Israel blows Spain of the charts
In italy when the government fail and we had too much close elections, we usually create a technical government with some experts usually chosen by the president.
They explain to me that sadly for Spain 🇪🇸 every time the government fail they have an election, and never an emergency government.
@@emib6599 Here we keep the previous government until they're able to form a new one, even if that includes holding another election.
Fun fact: we spent around 15% of the 2010s under a caretaker government.
Dutch person here, rutte actually wants to talk with JA21. He seems very interested to have a more right wing party in his coalition.
I mean it would be nice if they didn't have to go to parties that are politically speaking on the opposite end of the spectrum to work together with.
@@dnw009 exactly, so far rutte always talks right wing when elections are around the corner and than after he starts a left wing coalition. Hope this time there will be atleast 1 right wing party in it.
No chance, D66 will not work with JA21. Since D66 gained seats and VVD lost a seat, they've got even more leverage now.
I'm Dutch and have followed the election closely. I think this video does a great job of summarizing the results. There's more drama going on here right now, so would love to see you cover that too.
Will you do an episode about the Israeli election today?
Makes Dutch politics looks dull, and Italian politics stable
Hope nethanyahu losses big, would be nice if the far right government is replaced by a better one.
@@darrenbutler9819
Well if he loses most chances are there will just be 5th elections.
When the other much slimmer chance, is some weird coalitions led by Bennet, who is more right-wing then Netanyahu.
No chance of an actual left-center government this round
Well seems like 5th elections it is
😎 🇮🇹 🐴 Stable Stallions right?
🙃 🇳🇱 🦁 to 🇮🇹: screw ups! you left
Ho, I was wrong, seems like it's a center-left government led by Bennet and Lapid, supported by an islamic party.
Can't make this stuff up.
I did not vote the VVD (Mark Rutte). but i think people like him for being such a normal average guy. He just lives in a apartment and goes on a bicycle to work. On a nice day you can even spot him enjoying the sun, sitting at a terrace in front of a bar. Blending in with his fellow countrymen. An attitude that i really appreciate about him.
Yeah, i agree. I hate his policies, but I think he would be a nice guy to hang out with
Sounds more like one of those Latin American trade union leaders-turned-populist politicians, to be honest.
@@xshme Indeed, for some reason you can't say that for many other politicians. Maybe the newcomers from Volt and Ja21 are such people. I learned that Eerdmans (ja21) even plays as a dj on parties. And Dassen (Volt) looks like he's still a student. Judging how young that he looks like.
@@2009heyhow Dassen actually used to work for a bank, he isnt a student
So, people vote for his personality, as opposed to his policies?
@13:05 it shows D66 under Wilders, which should be PVV. (associating Wilders with D66 is probably offensive to both)
You should probably make a new video about this
"Don't worry, Mr. Animator, I still love You." -- Thanks, me.
"Please be gentle, his ego is fragile"
Can't figure out if that's supportive or a diss 🤔
"Can Rutte form a new coalition?"
*5 months later*
no, he can't.
I think you overlooked something else than already mentioned in the comments:
The VVD is the biggest party so they now have all the initiative to form a coalition, but if they fail the others will try to form a majority coalition without the VVD first before there will be new elections.
A coalition without the VVD would have to be either progressive or conservative, and both sides do not have enough seats to form a majority
This english guy just tought me more about my government then I ever knew. I'm 25 years old
Volt's viewpoints are pretty close to D66. If needed I am sure they could work something out. Not sure any party would welcome the newcomer though.
That why I was still deciding between volt and D66 when I needed to cast my vote. However D66 had not done much in this coalition, that’s why I voted volt. If they get a more progressive coalition these four years they might win my vote back.
This is great news for the Dutch people. FOOD SECURITY IS ABOUT TO BECOME THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE AROUND THE WORLD. All Dutch people should be supporting the farmers.
This is gonna need an update soon.
New title either:
Dutch Election Results: Can Rutte STILL form a New Coalition?
Dutch Election Results: CDA prominent sidelined by Rutte, what next?
This is an excellent explainer of the Dutch election result, you actually did a better job than a lot of the national media. Props!
Yeah the Child Allowance Scandel was mostly focussed on people with migrant backgrounds or with a foreign partner. This is a very important element which is never talked about
Hopefully it'll get covered more after the parliamentary inquiry unearths even more proof
That would severely limit the number of victims, so not strange it wasn't such a great deal to most people.
That has been talked about a lot here in the Netherlands. That is one of the reasons it's such a huge scandal.
I think a coalition with JA21 might be possible, considering the number of seats it will get them in the Senate.
Having Volt joining the coalition would be a god-send for D66, actually, I think all parties would profit long-term. To the Duchies around how likely do you think this is? I remember a NRC article saying Volt isn't interested
I don't think it would be a godsend for D66. They want more leftist orientated parties to join in if only for more climate change. I think they're going to try to get Groen Links to be the 4th if D66/VVD/CDA will be the core. But before that even happens we'll have to see what D66 and CDA will do.
Volt mentioned they're unlikely to join a coalition because they're new in politics. They want to gain in seats and experience before they do a thing like that.
Aside from what they've said, there's also the question how much leverage they can get with their seats in the coalition. Joining the coalition now may require too much compromise from them... (although they're pretty close to D66)
@@Sarnatuile so GL won't join if PVDA doesn't (am I too trusting in Klaver?) and TLDR said it accurately: really hard for Rutte to accept it. Volt is a much easier companion they'll accept any economic policy. For d66 it is a godsend because they have have friendly party in coalition with them (even better, the coalition depends on Volt) :they avoid a repeat of PVDA after the purple coalition. Plus they dont have a competing party outside of coalition that can criticize every unpopular thing D66 does
@@elwinvanhuissteden7729 that is a very fair point. However I think it can change (maybe Volt also say that to get more slack). 1) the coalition depends on them, they can make Rutte fall 2) Volt is very one issue and that helps immensely: voters know what they are getting with Volt--> an intransigent party on EU
@@theophileburtz1624 I don't think Volt would join without Rutte stepping back from the 'frugal four' alliance and their blocking of EU expansion. Volt can't be in government together with D66 and not have that same government be extremely pro-EU, which would be a huge change from Rutte's EU stance so far.
Thanks for this, nice to see more videos about my country
4:30 Ja21 is currently at 3 seats.
They are a bit on the brink and had 4 at one point. They probably just happened to make the vid around that time.
It changes a lot
The Netherlands never heard of an electoral threshold? That would solve many problems of forming a coalition. In Germany every party needs 5% to get seats in parliament.
We have that, but that is equal to the amount of votes necessary to get a single seat, so it doesn't really do anything in some sense.
The advantage of not having it, is that this way even small minorities are still represented fairly. For example the BBB, the farmers party, would never have made it onto parliament otherwise, but now they have 1 seat.
You know, as it turns out 4-party coallitions are actually more stable than 3-party coallitions, so I guess it works out for the better.
@@Quintinohthree how?
@@currymunch6097 4-party coalitons complete more of their term than 3-party coallitons.
@@Quintinohthree Data?
Go Volt!!!!!!
In belgium the 2 biggest partys are in the opposition. And the 7th party has the prime minister.
The VVD would love to have the CDA in the coalition, the D66 would love to have the Greens in the coalition, but they may have to settle for the slightly more moderate Labor Party.
You left out the one coalition that is now being discussed (apart from what we currently have); VVD, D66, CDA and JA21. The coalitions on the left are not likely to happen, they all suffered heavy loses and don’t want to join a coalition with the VVD. also VOLT does not want to participate in the kabinet. Another coalition that is not likely to happen, but you forgot to mention is a right conservative coalition; VVD, CDA, PVV, FvD, JA21 (with possibly the inclusion of SGP).
I tried to Google it but didn't find anything.
Why is there two "big" Christian parties when ~ 50% of the Netherlands is non religious?
The biggest Christian party (CDA) used to be really big (50 seats or more). The other two (Christenunie, SGP) have always been quite small, but have a very loyal voter base. A lot of Dutch voters today were raised in families where the parents traditionally voted for one of the Christian parties, but they themselves are happy to vote for other parties that are more to their liking. Today, the Christian parties combined have a lot less seats than they used to, which is a reflection of the secularization in the Netherlands.
@Sdtok Yeah I have suspected that it's more about the values.
However, what is the real difference between western values (enlightenment etc) and the ones of the Christian parties?
@Sdtok thank you so much for taking your time to answer. 😄
You're videos about Dutch politics are more informative and better explained than most Dutch videos about Dutch politics. Same for other videos about EU-countries. I subscribed immediately. Keep all those coming!
8:48 there is an error. PVV instead of D66
'Overwelming support' - He won 33 out of 150 seats, in an election of 78.7% voter participation.
you should make an explainer on Volt, I looked at them and they seem kinda neat
Today Rutte (VVD) announced that he also sees possibilities in a coalition with JA21. That would mean he leans more to the right side of the spectrum. But it also could be just a tactical choice, because he knows Kaag (D66) will not want to cooperate in such coalition. So when Kaag says no to this option, Rutte will also be able to say no to a more left proposal from D66.
VVD has always been more right leaning, but not far like FVD. JA21 is a perfectly fine party to me, and they're very similar to the VVD in many ways, a better alternative to D66 in my opinion
@@LAKD true that VVD is right leaning, always been that way. But what I meant is that in this video more left coalitions are shown as an example. And that Rutte also had other possibilities than just left parties to form a new coalition with.
Everything Mark Rutte wants is just staying Prime Minister for as long as possible. So the last option with VVD, D66, GL, PvdA and Volt would be even more likely because Rutte would possibly be in power for another four years which realistically (except if there is another huge crisis), is everything he will be able to get.
Thanks for making a video on this! One small adjustment @8:40 : Wilder's party is the PVV (not D66).
But dear animator, we still love you. :)
would have liked to see that political party graph be split into two separate graphs; one for economic views and another for political views
He already done so in the video. Progressive - Conservative (social issues) and Left - Right (economics)
There’s a bit of a problem when one party needs two icons and a line connecting them
How does anything get done in the Netherlands when no-one in the government can agree on anything and it takes 8 months to form one in the first place.
Always funny to see how people from outside The Netherlands are looking at us.
D66 are a good model for the future of centrist parties imo.
Let's leave neolibral parties in the pre covid world please
And the future of progressive and green leftists too? If these graphics are correct, economically centrist but socially/culturally progressive, leaving behind both associations between being neoliberal to being conservative/authoritarian and being progressive to being anti-free market. On paper, sounds good to me. And I assume many of the votes lost by the leftist parties went to D66.
Just for clarification all my knowledge about D66 or Dutch politics at large comes from these two vids.
D66 is incredibly neoliberal lol
D66 seems quite neoliberal in practice.
Kaag mirrored her entire campaign after Hillary Clinton.
Rutte is more of a George Bush type of character.
Been waiting for you to upload this video.
Vvd d66 labour party and the greens (75) might get to 76 now that d66 has risen to 24 at the cost of vvd. the vvd might regain this seat at the cost of fvd. Which would make this coalition possible
Still no majority in the first chamber though. They need five more seats for that, which would likely mean CDA.
I still expect to see CU in a coalition earlier than Volt, CU have more experience in goverment and volt being new in the tweede kamer are to new to be trusted in Ruttes eyes.
Well CU ruled out a coalition with Mark Rutte as the PM this morning, so computer says no
The news today mentioned Rutte's suggestion to have D66 and JA21 in a coalition. That's going to be tough negotiations with the anti EU policies of JA21 and pro EU policies of D66.
8:42 Geert Wilders is leader of PVV, not D66. Pretty sure it is a typo, as you refer to the party as PVV, but the name says D66
There is a major oversight in this video. Rutte can form a minority government. This is not unheard of. Rutte 3 (the previous one) also was a minority government after a party defection. A minority government is difficult as it requires seeking an alliance for every proposal, but that is not that difficult as depending on the specific proposal there are a lot of options for that. A minority government would be much les risky then new elections.