UPDATE: VVD leader Dilan Yesilgöz-Zegerius has said VVD will not enter government, but could support a centre-right government in parliament on constructive proposals. She said: “The big winners are the PVV and NSC. After thirteen years, a different role suits us. The voter also said: VVD, skip a round. But we will make a centre-right cabinet possible. We will support constructive proposals, so it is a form of tolerance." nos.nl/artikel/2499072-fractievoorzitter-yesilgoz-vvd-niet-in-kabinet-mogelijk-wel-gedoogsteun
Thanks for this update. This is actually huge, but not in a good way. VVD speaks as if they need to be humble, but by stating this before any formation talks have been going on they actually make it impossible to get a non-right coalition. So they are not humble at all and decide for all of the Netherlands what the outcome has to be. I hope they will make it impossible to get a coalition now so that a re-election is needed where even more VVD voters will judge the actions of Dilan.
The thing is VVD leader Dilan Yesilgöz-Zegerius actually has not a say in that. She also constantly switched back and fort between wanting to form a coalition with wilders. There are options. But dutch society is so polarised the last few years. That if they exclude the PVV from government. Will probably result in mass riots and anger. And will make the situation the crises we have worse by adding another one.
Pretty rich criticizing someone for incorrectly pronouncing obscure names in a fringe language while not even being able to spell something simple as dutchmAn right
I enjoy how TLDR quickly highlighted the political agendas of Wilders, Timmermans and Omtzigt, but didn't show anything at all when discussing the VVD. Presumably because the VVD also don't know what their political agenda actually is.
Is the outcome really surprsing at this point? Europe has been rapidly shifting to the right in recent years. The Netherlands is no exception to this pattern. Migration seems to be a big reason for this.
The real issue is that few parties left of center are even willing to seriously discuss immigration. Many voters are voting for right wing parties because of their immigration stances, even if the rest of their views don't align with the right wing. Denmark is one of few examples of the contrary, in which a left wing government became well liked due to its immigration stance
I have a solution, have all ethnic Dutch people from North America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand move back to the Netherlands then the foreign ethnicities in the The Netherlands can leave. Fair is fair. Oh wait, it's only other races not allowed in Europe, Europeans can populate wherever they want lol!
No matter what your political ideology is, you have to acknowledge, that the wins of Wilders in Europe and Milei in South America are certainly showing a nice trend for memorable hair. The VVD most likely suffered due to her leader not being memorable enough with her standard hairstyle, so the loss was to be expected. The second place of Timmermans and his gain show solidarity of people that struggle with hair loss and therefore back him. In the recent local elections, BBB has a leader with interesting hair, but was effectively outhaired by Wilders more recently. The leader of D66 and CDA unsurprisingly have very boring hair and accordingly were big election loosers.
Yeah. I would argue that averidge indigenous European that rememer his family sufferings during the WW2 is disgusted with this terrorist celebrations and anti-semitism on the streets. But, sure, you can argue it is hair Makes sense. Keep on with banality.
As an American, it baffles me how many diverse political parties the Dutch have compared to our 2 party system. Makes me wish we had something like that in the States.
Yeah you guys would do well to break that grip. It could see American politics flourish. As an oldskool lefty America was and is not always a friend - but I totally understand the people's America is in many ways a great place. It's a shame to see it languish the way it does.
I think it's because there is a serious lack of anti war parties that want to end the creation of refugees in the first place. Its still no excuse to demonise migrants that are fleeing these resource wars.
Which is monumentally stupid because the one iron-clad guarantee that you will continue not to be heard...is to vote for an even more rightwing one man show (the PVV is not a party: it is run by one single man).
Brussels really thinks it can keep sanitizing the absolute crisis that Islamist migrants are putting the EU through. It’s clear as day the single biggest thing making the lives of Europeans today unbearable are Islamist migrants who refuse to integrate and become moderate Muslims. Anyone who doesn’t integrate should be deported, without any loops they can use to stay. Don’t want to become westerner? Move back to a country that fits your ideology like Iran or Syria and be banned from ever entering the EU again. Until that’s official policy by Brussels, anti EU sentiment will continue to grow. Time for them to start listening to the people if they don’t want to destroy what’s left of the EU project.
@@bramposthumus9300 and yet the people still voted for him, if you want to think a total of like 2.5 million people are stupid for voting for someone who might actually change things, thats all you, but atleast consider the alternative: shutting up
Minor correction: They will appoint a 'verkenner' (scout) first before the informateur. PVV senator Gom van Strien has been chosen for this job. He will talk to all parties to see what their preferences are. Only then will they appoint a informateur to group some parties together to discuss a possible coalition.
@Person11068no they are not involved in that. the job used to be for the king but the leftists changed that so now it's a senator or respected former politician
@@JamalPoorman pvv (biggest party rn) is anti Russia in general, but mainly wants NL to stay out of it (own country first), especially regarding EU integration with Ukraine. VVD (large maybe coalition partner) fairly pro weapons to Ukraine, careful about EU integration. NSC (last potential coalition) somewhat ambivalent, mainly focusses on own border protection.
Bullshit, pvv isnt right wing, theyre center right leaning. Neither are they populist. GL/PvDA is way more populist, as we all clearly saw in the debates
To clarify, Rutte has not always outright ruled out including the PVV in government. In his first government, the PVV was a passive support partner as the government did not have a majority in the lower chamber by themselves. The PVV, however, proved unreliable and withdrew their support after a year or two, and this break of trust led Rutte to henceforth avoid including them in government again.
Sweden was always like that: "oh we will never work together with the right wing populists". But here we are. Netherlands will probably fall into the same pattern at some point.
Thank you for this informative video. As a Dutchman I was curious how people from abraod would look at the result of the Dutch elections. One tip: Tell at the beginning of your video that our second chamber has 150 seats. It is helpful for people to know that Wilders has 37 out of 150 seats or The Pvda 25 out of 150 and that a majority of 76 seats is needed to form a government. You did say that number of 76 eventually, but I would mention it right at the beginning. Thanks again for your video.
@@عبدالروٴف And with what excuse u would have moved there? "asulym" excuse. These asylum abusers are the reason why Europeans are voting Right wing parties now.
@@nigelhoare2152 How are those two comparable? Most prostitutes deliver on their promises, unlike politicians, even if their services don't come cheap.
If you understand Dutch politics you know that’s just not possible. Unless a party gets 75 or more votes (never happened) you need to negotiate with the other parties, and that gives the smaller parties power. If you don’t come to an agreement they will try to form a coalition with other parties.
Interesting how he followed Marine Le Pen’s strategy in the end of the campaign, by softening his anti-immigration rhetoric and talking more about social issues, elders, cost of life, etc That probably helped him
It's going to be hard to swallow for a lot of first time PVV voters when they discover that was just campaign rhetoric and Wilders' actual voting record in parliament shows that he is most likely to favour proposals that were previously put forward by the VVD: the party that was the main contributor to Dutch government in the last 13 years. I expect a lot of first time voters will feel like they were served a false bill of goods. And it's unfortunate that we always find that out after the fact, and never before.
@@Belabor92 People continue to vote for fascists thinking they will somehow be better than conservatives when they're literally just the same thing and have the same policy stances
No. It is a frame from the parties like PvdA/GroenLinks, that the voters voted for PVV due to a protest against old politics, social issues, or elders, cost of live. When that was true, they could all have chosen those left wing parties like PvdA/GL and SP. They strongly didnt. They chose PVV because they are fed-up with immigrants, mainly from the muslim countries. Listen to what is happening on the streets, get out of your bubble.
@@BMWHP2yeah a lot of these people are coping and I can't recognize they're scared of Muslims destroying their civilization which is currently happening🤔
PvdA & VVD forming a coalition together is not unheard of, but last time this happened it was really the only viable option and PvdA lost 29 of its 38 seats as a result
This was due to strategic voters. People on the right where afraid of the Socialist Party becoming massive and chose VVD. People on the right where afraid of PVV becoming massive they all chose PvdA.
Yeah this coalition was stupid. The PvdA totally threw all their ideals in the trash and I knew this moment was for quite a bit of people I know the moment where they decided to no longer vote for them. That was until this election at least where those same people decided to strategically vote for them which ended up draining the entire idealistic left of their seats.
Lets not look away from the fact that traditionaly PvdA was the political party for the working middle to lower class. Something thats definetly not the case today. PvdA lost pretty much all their supporters during their 2017 elections and the funny thing is most people have totally forgotten about Diederik Samson
yeahhh no, I think that will just murder both parties. BVNL is a new more capitalistic VVD alternative that is ready to pounce if VVD slips up and when it happens they'll probably take a few seats of their hands.
This is why i love Proportional Representation…it forces parties and leaders to work together, it proportionally represents all voters. I hope they make the right choices, work hard to work with the PVV. The Netherlands needs change, and they voted for it…quite severely in this case. It’s what happens when mainstream parties ignore the voters on their issues.
@@siuchoi7655 True, but it just means politicians need to work harder, Belgium is technically two different countries jammed together. That was their problems and will continue to be.
downside is that 2nd place party, wich the PVV was for awhile can just get excluded and therefor alot of people's voices get alienated. This time the people have had enough of this, turns out virtue signaling for social justice and neglecting your entire economy doesn't make for the best leadership.
I’m Dutch and I would just like to say you explained this really good. There is also a probability of a minority coalition where VVD will support PVV in some decisions. This is the other way around from the first coalition with Rutte, where PVV was the minority supporting VVD.
Hey TLDR, amazing video as always. I'm happy to see you added that VVD only wants to support a government, not be part of it. I wanted to make one comment. While I understand that you have to simplify stuff in favour of getting an understandable video, actually the next step isn't to appoint an informateur. The first step is to appoint an explorer, then they'll publish the results, then they'll discuss those results. Then they'll appoint the informateur, whose job it is to specifically research one coalition, as recommended by the explorer (verkenner). After this, we also have a formateur, but that's after a coalition has been created, and the formateur basically always is the new minister-president/prime minister, whose job it is to appoint ministers from the participating parties. I know, it's convoluted and a clear sign of the (in)famous Dutch 'poldermodel'
@@sheesh7719 Older muslim immigrants that also felt pushed away by Rutte's policies might be cast their vote for him, but not the younger muslims that still put big question marks upon his anti-islam rethorics.
@@autumnjacaranda106 definitely not. it was quite obvious. The Netherlands is mainly right winged, except in Amsterdam & Utrecht. FVD are a bunch of conspiracy terrorists (Yes I wrote it on purpose). VVD proved to fail 3 times. NSC is too unsure about a lot of things, which made everyone question their leadership. So what are you left with; PVV. The immigration problem isn't helping either...
Excellent video! But there are some mistakes, for instance at 4:00: the Gaza conflict and attacks in Belgium did not play a major role in the recent resurgence of PVV. It's much more about ongoing domestic migration tensions: overflowing housing for asylum seekers, increasing crime from economic migrants from safe countries, and housing shortages that are perceived to be worsened (or even caused) by all kinds of immigration (from Polish farm labour to rich expats).
The housing crisis has been ongoing since the 1950s and is self inflicted. 70 (!!) years of housing shortage because of government policies and the population's attitudes of welcoming the whole world into their small country.
I think they would, even if not a major one. Just add to the sentiment. Gaza conflict has stirred up some anti Islamic sentiment, as did the attacks in Belgium. This is the guy who wants to ban mosques and migration from Islamic countries.
small semi-correction: 2:04 they only won parliament elections They lost at least the last two senate elections to FvD and BBB Also European elections atleast one time to PvdA
As a Dutchman, I'm not saying that Geert will save the day and be perfect, but I'm happy that we finally got a common sense guy as premier, no more WEF goblin - career traitor like Rutte.
As an Australian with a weird obsession with Dutch politics I've been wanting to see Geert have a victory like this for the last ~15 years. Congratulations to the Netherlands, now let's hope he becomes PM.
both vvd and nsc prefer a minority coalition, which would mean the lower chamber would actually house debates again to get support from the parties people voted for, instead of what happened previous years where the coalition would write a governing agreement that decided everything beforehand and leave no room for debate
Possibly. Will cause some issues with who to get in cabinet, given PVV/NSC/BBB have a very small experience pool in cabinet posts. VVD has plenty... but most of that has been marinated and stewed in Rutte doctrine for a decade. So maybe this is for the best. Let's hope for that. And not that Rutte is trying to unleash his final bout of pettiness. Doubt the VVD would agree to suicide for that, but they've done stranger things.
the truth is that we don't yet know what the parties want, in politics there are only lairs and self enrichers. Nobody voted that the farmers had to be bought out with taxpayer money, nobody voted for fishing companies to get destroyed, nobody voted that we should burn our tax money in a huge fire we call 'green energy', nobody voted for a dictator that illegally confiscated our freedom (kind of ironical that the party that did it is literally called party of freedom and democracy) and created 2nd class citizens, that you had to show a pass to prove what kind of good obedient useful idiot you were by taking that highly dangerous experimental drug the government was pushing harshly and otherwise social life was denied to you.
the thing is too that PVV will need to make concessions whether Wilders likes it or not. If he kept his stance as radical as it was/is, there'd be no way a coalition would be created at all, with even a minority one being very difficult for voting power
@@nlbergsma thats good radicals are too unstable and unhinged for any government its like having a bomb with a clock that can’t decide whether to blow up at 2 am or 3:33 pm or not at all. Its good to have people push things more but full on radicals are unsavory
It's just sad how there's such a large block of bureaucrats across europe who are just outright ignoring the popular will leading to things like this or the riots in Ireland. Immigration is a MAJOR issue in Europe, the defining issue of this generation in fact, you cannot keep ignoring it.
@@merlino4100 Yes i can concede that, a lot of people are also vocally concerned about climate change and as someone who leans more to the right i also think it's foolish of conservative parties to ignore that issue just as it is for the left-wing ones to ignore mass migration. However, the issue of climate change is a global issue, it's not something one particular government can resolve, you can surely take steps to reduce your own emissions, but if you're the Dutch your emissions are but a tiny dropplet in the context of global emissions, and any efforts you undertake domestically will have no effect whatsoever at the global level. But i do agree it would be a good idea for any government that seeks to represent the popular concerns to also have climate change as one of their top issues and to take whatever steps are possible to lower domestic emissions and work with other countries to perhaps help reduce theirs.
@@kevin___ Why? Because every member of parliament pledged to be faithful to the constitution. So there is no need to mention it unless he had other intentions.
@tijmen-vm9lq Just remember that the Germans believed that Hitler could solve all their problems back then. People never learn. The VVD made the right decision not to be part of that.
small correction: in the Netherlands the green-labour alliance is not viewed as CENTER-left but pure LEFT as they proposed significant increases in taxes for companies and on wealth, which also helps explaining why none of the other more right wing parties like PVV, VVD and NSC were keen to govern with the green-labour alliance
If PVV-VVD-NSC-BBB would be considered "center right", than GLPVDA is center left. Parties like PvdD, Bij1, Denk and SP are all more left leaning than PVDAGL.
PvdA used to be left yes, but they've been restyling themselves more and more moderate/center in an attempt to gain votes for decades now. Merging with GL is just their latest attempts to win a few extra votes.
these parties are doing well globally now as all of gen y and a lot of gen z can now vote. These are the generations impacted by climate change. These are also generations where wives don't vote based on what their husband says
This :) Oh, and also because a lot of people are kind of done with the lack of proper action being taken for over a decade now. Problems such as housing, law enforcement (low capacity), high food prices, lack of backbone (ASML for example), and the complete absence of taking responsibility for mistakes made in the past (gas drilling in Groningen for example) are a few of the reasons people are eager for a change of pace from the politics. Lets hope the new government wil start with being an actual government and focus on fixing the current problems which they were warned about for wel over a decade now.
@@petiertje This, :D and failing to handle the flooding in Limburg, people worry more about unchecked immigration, the severe housing crisis, forced municipalities to contruct(or convert old buildings) asylum centers in the middle of a housing crisis, trying to hush away the tax fraud scandal.. You and I can go on..
And 2 days in the 2nd biggest party excluded Wilders and the 3rd, previously biggest and government-leading VVD stated they will not be joining any government coalition. Thus, there is no center-right majority coalition possible any more, though de VVD did state they could be convinced to support a minority coalition from the opposition benches. Wilders did the same for VVD and CDA during Rutte I and massively screwed them over by pulling is support when the 2008 financial crisis hit. Both the VVD and newcomer and 4th biggest NSC (which includes many, many former CDA politicians) have people in their ranks from that went through that political disaster and may be rather unwilling to trust Wilders ever again. It's a mess and somewhat of a clown show, especially when it comes to the VVD, who: - Caused the previous government to collapse, supposedly over immigration. - Though only the refugee family unification program, which represents less than 4% of the total immigration number. - Only to use that exact topic as their primarily election topic, while also campaigning on promising a new approach to politics, looking forward and standing behind the country. - This after 13 years of government (and nearly 40 years of continually being part of nearly all government coalitions). - A period marred with all manner of socio-economic challenges as well as several political scandals, all of them directly related to VVD policies / ministers. - All while, until the last debat, the VVD never challenged the PVV, led by a former VVD member of parliament. - Keeping the door open for Wilders to actually be more than an opposition party and protest vote. - As up and until now all save for some even more right wing groups have excluded him after the disaster he caused when pulling his opposition support from the Rutte I coalition. - And now they are stating that due to the 10 seats they lost they will not be taking part in any coalition, instead opting to go into the opposition benches. It remains to be seen just how sincere this last statement is, the VVD has a rather deserved reputation for changing their minds and being extremely opportunistic / neoliberal. This could be a ploy to try and calm down their voters, while also making it clear to Wilders that they'd truly want something out of any support they might lend a (minority) coalition. Most likely this would come down to de PVV and VVD trying to push out as much of NSC's Omzigt's governmental reform ideas..........exploratory talks start on Monday, so unless Wilders of Omtzigt do anything rash over the weekend, we won't know much more until Monday afternoon at the earliest.
It's as if VVD is looking for the bottom. Absolutely crazy what it has become. Then again - we have a few of those. Hollow power centers at best. God knows who's benefiting from that.
VVD knows a coalition with PVV doesn't last because while they have a trackrecord of not having active recollections of past events this they remember quite well... So they keep a distance, knowing that the people who voted for PVV in anger won't vote for PVV another time and will likely come back to them during the next elections. (Elections that are probable to take place within 4 years.)
As someone who is largely a democratic socialist who believes in climate change and science, but who also believes western nations should preserve their more conservative, Christian, and ethnic European roots, it frustrates me beyond belief that denouncing hard science like climate change is nearly always tied together with things like reducing and controlling immigration. If we take the term conservatism at face value it makes sense… these are people staunchly resistant to change, and having to work around the fact that the thing that powers your life is hurting the entire planet in a massive scale is not a welcome change for someone to wrap their head around… but still. The only way to preserve is to change, you must always adapt to the environment around you in order to preserve what you care about most. Not pretend that everything is as it’s always been.
It drives me mad too. But I don't think the environmentalist movement helps either, XR insists that you can't support climate action unless you support a million other left-leaning issues that have nothing to do with climate. They are good at raising the salience of climate change, which has been a welcome change to our politics; but they have also been stuck in a purity spiral whose net result is to shrink their own coalition, not grow it.
In the Netherlands we do have a social left party which is for limiting immigration. That is the SP (socialist party). It is not that big anymore, but it is there.
To be fair, Wilders doesn't deny climate change. He believes in science. He just... doesn't care. His point is that we're such a small country, that actually spending so much money on environmental issues will just cost too muchand is not worth it. And that's the thing about populism: he wants to promise ppl the world, but someone else will have ot pay the price. Not us!
That's because conservative Christian values and 'ethnic roots' are pretty incompatible with egalitarian values. I mean, sure, there are some parties like that (the SP in the Netherlands is also pretty anti-immigration, as is the social democratic party in Denmark) but generally it's inconsistent.
People from other countries have to remove corruption in their own governments instead of running to the EU and US, the current trend also is corrupt politicians stealing from their own country then fleeing to the EU or US with the wealth and enjoying their spoils
The PVV genuinely isn’t that ‘far right’ their policies on healthcare and livelihood security are rather left. The only thing they are ‘far right’ on, is immigration policies. The people that claim they are a danger and are ‘far right’ definitely haven’t done enough research.
I'm an American learning Dutch so I always doubt my terrible accent. However, hearing other English speakers butcher the language gives me more confidence lol. Anyways, this is a great informative video. I am interested in global politics so I always enjoy learning from TLDR's channel.
Rutte is not retiring he wants to be head of NATO. To get into power, maybe someone will turn complete face about just like Sánchez has done here in Spain. 😄
A big reason I don't like Timmermans is not because of his roles before but more his history of lying together with his plan on taxes. My belief is that most big companies will leave the Netherlands while small companies might just completely go bankrupt. A lot of people seem to only see their benefits while they might not even get them in the end.
So Timmermans, in the eyes of the right, is both a member of the leftist EU elite that control the continent, and similtanously will make the Netherland hostile to big coorporations who are frequently put in the same imaginary cabal. You have to pick 1 sir. Besides, currently, the Netherlands is nothing short of an EU-taxhaven. And if this fearmongering on the right that the coorporations will leave the Netherlands should teach you one thing: it is not the government who has the most power over your wealth, it is undemocratic multinationals who will scare you into giving them obscene profits, 'or else'.
@@DePraatjesMaker sorry, but that is the lie. The same lie VVD has been promoting the last 20 years. Neo liberals dont give a single damn about small business owners. Only the big corps are worth
Never trust a champagne socialist who wants the best for you. His outlined role in EU politics is just the icing on the cake. He’s the type of politician which has been so dominant in Europe over the last 3 decades and people have had enough of them
I'm an Argentinian libertarian living in the Netherlands. Banning mosques and banning other things is not libertarian nor classical liberal. Also restricting immigration instead of making it better (smarter) isn't.
Yeah, I'm left-wing and I don't agree with mosque bans either, but something needs to be done. Geert Wilders can't live a normal life because of the death threats. Muslims are the only religious group that goes that far. I despise all religions, but Islam is clearly the worst, and if what they're doing jeopardizes our way of life, I can't accept that.
It'll be long before the coalition is formed. If it helps, it's being floated that BBB will also be a part of the cabinet, as thanks to their prior victories, they are the biggest party in the Eerste Kamer (roughly equivalent to the house of lords or the senate)
@@ralzvy That doesn't make any sense lmao, anyone in their right mind would vote for the right unless they are highly supporting charity. For example: things like 'climate' should be one of the last things you should think about at this moment, especially since the Netherlands is a small country and barely contributes to climate change. My school is also havo/vwo but more ppl were right winged.
You ignore legit issues for too long (VVD), treat people as an inconvienience (VVD), run a corrupt Government, caught multiple times breaking the law (VVD) & refuse to acknowledge any need for change (VVD) then yea, people going to look for an alternative, SHOCKER!
To be honest.. the PVV is always painted as a far right party .. it’s a bit trickier.. the have a fairly left leaning economy structure compared to other right wing parties..but are “fairly ” conservative towards EU laws, especially immigration.
Exactly, look at the economic party points: higher minimum wage, lower taxes on groceries, better social housing, better social wellfare for elderly, lower rent, lower energy prices, lower health insurance costs. Sounds the opposite of right. Then with globalization, immigration and law and order they are certainly right leaning.
Nope, the whole "PVV has left-leaning economic policies" isn't really true if you look at their voting, where they're usually in line with VVD. They are a bit more left-leaning in their rethoric regarding econ issues, but not in voting.
this is in fact a lie the PVV does not vote left on economic matters, and only frames itself as such with promises they repeatedly show no intention of acting on
"There be only two ways one can implement policy. All left, or all right. Ye cant be switching up the policies, that would mess with the propaganda control model, where your always force your population to make a devils bargen" ~Some pirate
Tbh it's kind of a mess, as mentioned, depending on how the politicians decide to form coalitions, it could result in the most voted party remaining out of office regardless of being the majority voted party. The USA has something similar with the electoral college, but tbh i prefer that over the way it works in Europe where it's just backroom deals between the parties
@@liquidsnake6879 but even if other parties form a coalition and side line the PVV. those parties still need a majority (76 or more seats of the 150 available ones) so we still get a coalition where over 50% of the people voted for. the PVV has 37 seats that's roughly 25% of them, so 75% of the population voted for other parties. in the Dutch way you're able to vote for the party that you feel closed to. and you have plenty of choice. you might end up with a lot of different parties but we have a lot of different people too. and even a small party could become part of the coalition. and even if the become part of the opposition they still make your voice heard. in the US system you either vote for one guy or another guy ad chances are they have a lot of things you're not happy with but you can only choice for a bad option or a slightly less bad option. or you choice for an independent guy and your vote is useless. and very time one party gets beaten by the other one they try to undo everything the others did in the years before, so the country has a hard time making progress. in the US the chance that you aren't represented by the government is way higher than in a multi party system.
@@liquidsnake6879 this is a stupid comment, a coalition has to represent more than 50% of the voters, doesn't matter if the largest party is included or not. Also, the backdoor meetings to form a coalition at least make politicians commit to their promises, unlike in the US. And they may not include things you think is important, but can happen in any democratic system.
Forming a majority coalition is next to impossible with PVV. And even if they compromise enough to get there, it would fall before the full term passes. Wilders has shown time and time again he can't be a teamplayer.
I personally think as a Dutchman that if none of the other parties are not forming a government with the PVV it's probably going to collapse in a few months. since the pvv almost holds double the seats then most of the parties
I get the feeling if the other parties refuse to work with the PVV. Which causes a new election. The PVV will win even more as the voters will feel insulted by the other parties and sympathetic to PVV.
@gameofender9663 the most recent government census show that 65% of the vvd voters and 73% of nsc voters prefer an vvd, pvv, nsc, bbb coalition. If they where to refuse an pvv coalition pvv might even exceed 45 seats in the next elections
@@gameofender4463 Dutch here, I think the exact same! Almost everybody is fed up with the housing crisis, mass immigration and not being able to buy groceries. And the PVV is the only one who wants to drastically change that for the good of the own people. Fed up that we got children at the age of 35 still living with their parents because they are unable to find housing. All the while you see new immigrants settling in those houses because of EU laws. If there are going to be new elections I think the PVV will be the biggest party our country has ever seen
I’m a Dutch citizen, this video actually gets quite a few things wrong. If you’re interested it’s fine to watch but take a few things said here with a pinch of salt.
Flabbergasted by this election because no one rightfully presented this result. - PVV was in the last poll at 26 next to VVD and Groenlinks / PVDA and got 37 (with a total of 150 that is a lot) -The new VVD leader Yesilgöz made this possible. The former VVD leader ruled out PVV and took some points in the campaigns against migration. After Yesilgöz didn't rule out PVV they started to get more votes. - The game changer came from a debate where a woman wanted action about the poverty in the Netherlands (a real issue) and the growing costs of the own risk that people need to pay before the health care insurance pays it and GL / PVDA leader told her the honest answer where he said they wanted to do that but it took something like 4 years. The woman disagreed, while PVV leader Wilders said Timmermans gets money from his European parliament function and let it know that people can't pay their bills (later people found evidence she has connections with the PVV). Then the only poll came before the last weekend and Wilders got +5 seats and came on the same polled results as the leaders VVD and GL / PVDA. No one got a point across that stick about negative points about the PVV. - A lot of media called PVV leader Wilders a lot milder (that's the point that stuck and got repeated a lot). All attention went to problems that became bigger during the last 13 years of the government with the VVD and a doubtful Omtzigt if he wanted to be the prime minister. Groenlinks / PVDA leader Timmermans has a bigger profile on climate, while a lot of people are not sure of the future with inflation, hard to find housing. He wanted to do that to, but they campaigned harder about the climate. Timmermans wasn't rated that high with potential voters because he seems a bit more elite. There were better options for leaders. - A lot of right wing media campaigned hard to make Timmermans and VVD make them the enemy. And a doubtful Omtzigt about his programm, if we wanted to become the leader of the country (where first he want to stay in the Tweede Kamer and later wanted to become the leader with a special kind of government that is less political and more technical / elite (while others say they have more expertise)
And let's not forget that the average Dutch knows barely anything about how our democracy functions. The amount of people that think that democracy is nothing more than ''most votes count, so winner takes all'' is astounding. Like they are a bunch of kids in primary school were the group of 5 call for a ''vote'' to tell the other 4 what to do and have never heard the word 'compromise' before.
Fun opdate, the first formateur Gom van Striem has already been fired mere days after being selected.Fraud allegations came out almost on the same day that he was selected as formateur. He was a PVV politician. A new formateur has already been selected. This time around they choose former PVDA politician Ronald Plasterk.
As someone who is Dutch. I want to emphasize that the pvv is socially right but they are economically left. They want to lower retirement age and give free dental and remove own medical risk. Lower fuel prices, keep flying available for people with less money. Many people voted for him because he claims to give a lot to the poor part of the population.
That doesnt adhere to my understanding of the two available options in the world, and not only am I ideologically confused by this strange idea of a party you speak of, but my confusion has filled me with righteous rage. My safe plan is to shame all who are not whatever left means right now. For it is in fact the idea of left that is to be defended, and not the principles therein! If you write the word right on a thing, I would hate it, for a know it is wrong. Such is the power of my ultimate rational mind!
You missed quite a bit of other important things going on, like different reasons people voted for PVV, de swing voters, difference between polls and actual results, the way the senate works, the "bestaanszekerheid" issue
I'm Dutch, but living in London. This is all new for The Netherlands. We've had difficult government formations before, but with the BBB (farmer-citizens movement) suddenly we have a relatively new party right at the negotiating table. And the PVV was never the winner of any election. I think the additional votes for Wilders did not come from an anti-islam sentiment, but from being frustrated with how the current government has dealt with some issues. There is a housing crisis, in part because immigrants are prioritised for social housing. And new houses can't be built in the numbers required because of another issue: a need to reduce nitrogen emissions. This comes from the EU, to protect biodiversity. The Netherlands is a small country, but we are also the largest meat exporter in the EU. Our farming is perhaps the most efficient in the world. But because we are small, and have a huge amount of livestock, the nitrogen depositions per square kilometre are still off the scale. The government wanted to buy out farmers but that sparked protests, sometimes a bit scary ones actually. In general, there is a feeling, among some people anyway, that they are not being told the truth by the government. There is distrust, especially between the countryside and the big cities. This is also not helped by things like gender identity. Another matter is livelihood security. This has become an increasing issue; life is too expensive for some people. Probably also because of the housing shortages, although I'm not 100% sure about that. Recently as well, planned government investments to mitigate climate change have sparked dissatisfaction, because of course, those investments still have to be paid with tax money. Wilders does apparently not deny climate change (although I think he sort of did before), but the argument is that spending 28 billion euro to reduce warming by 0,000036 degrees Celsius is nonsense (not saying I agree, just saying what the argument is). Instead he seems to be advocating investments to deal with the effects of climate change like sea level rise instead. I am a bit surprised that the SP (socialist, the most left wing party) did not get any more votes. When it comes to social matters, they actually align almost perfectly with the PVV. And this is a party that wants to make the higher incomes contribute more to climate change measures. So that should improve livelihood security for the lower wages. They are also Eurosceptic, though not as strongly as the PVV. However, the VVD, a party that traditionally caters to companies and err... rich people, is still far more popular than the SP. Maybe the "socialist" aspect scares some people, but I don't know; we're not the USA. I will say this: compared to other countries, The Netherlands is extremely well organised. We have perhaps the best infrastructure of most countries, and our public pension scheme is paid for even if you're temporarily unemployed. In general, the welfare state compares quite well to some other countries. I feel that people want to protect this, and they see the large percentage of unemployed immigrants as a drain on this system. I think this sums it up pretty well. I do have one regret: I did not vote myself. I looked into what I needed to do to vote from abroad too late. All other things being equal, my perspective is that of an internationally oriented person, and as such, I'd much rather have The Netherlands be in the EU. I don't think that that will change, even with this outcome, but I'd rather have done my part to get that vote in.
I know four former SP voters that stopped voting SP because while the SP says a lot of good things and in theory they have a lot of good ideas for those people to vote for them, the SP in practice didn't show any of that. They claim to be opposed to mass migration, yet they continue to support the treaties that allow mass migration. They claim to want to help the farmers, but when it came to voting in parliament they voted to screw over the farmers. They claim to be opposed to a lot of EU stuff, yet when it came down to it they refused to do anything about it or offer any resistance. At least two of the people I know who used to vote SP are worried that they'll start to bring Americanised 'equality politics' to the Netherlands, with social justice and more special laws to help minorities even more than already exists now. They're especially worried that the SP will just become another 'anti-Dutch' party, or at least think that they can't reasonably vote SP until after the mass migration problem is dealt with. And the SP goes along with all the 'climate' stuff that most people are very annoyed with these days on account of the situation of farmers and EU overreach. In addition to this, a vote for the SP is practically just a vote for the PvdA. Because that seems to be the only party they vote along with, and my friends really do not want any PvdA in government. So yeah, SP- Some good ideas, some bad. But dealing with a disadvantageous political situation and distrust from at least some voters. Especially as some of their ideas are incredibly unpopular, and those ideas seem to be given priority over the ones that people actually want. I can't speak for all people who switched away from the SP. But I can say that's what those that I know have shared on the subject
There is another factor that I hadn’t actually considered yet: Wilders has ties to the Kremlin. And there is disinformation being spread on social media to try and influence voters. I just noticed one of my social media contacts share something about a left-wing politician that was fake. It’s a brave new world out there, and social media DOES pose a threat to democracy. Not saying with certainty that Russia is involved, but it IS likely.
The EU is fully compromised as an institution. Staying in the EU would mean the eventual death of the Netherlands. People need to understand just how compromised the EU has become.
Trust me we are also done with Islam. If you wanna live here you will adapt to our values and leave ur Islamic law behind you cause it can not coexist with our Dutch values. It's plain simple like that.
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well, my prediction might come true. PvdaGL, CDA, VVD, CU, and D66 have said to not want a coalition with the PVV. That's already 66 seats of parliament realistically gone. Unless they change their mind or the PVV wildly softens its overall stance, this can be disastrous for Wilders' chance of actually forming. BBB wouldn't mind being in a coalition with Christian SGP, and I reckon NSC wouldn't mind it either, but even then they'd have 67 seats and would need a larger party to tip it over to a majority. FVD, even with only 3 seats, would be out of the question for NSC, so they wouldn't have too many left. SP's hard stance on not budging on its political ideology would make it difficult to be convinced, Volt is VERY Pro-EU, PVDD is quite progressive and left with ofc a big emphasis on animal life and nature, DENK will not join unless the PVV completely abandons its anti-islam stance, and JA21 only has 1 seat so not enough. that's all of em.
@@richardbloemenkamp8532 honestly same. Also kinda hoping for a hail Mary with the SP on an economical basis but that's the biggest fingers crossed ever
@@Gamer-zq5eb potentially not. The way it works, and has happened once or twice before, is that if the biggest party can't form a coalition at all, the chance goes to the 2nd biggest party (in this case Pvda/GL). So Wilders right now has a very difficult scenario coming. for the first time he is the biggest party, and likely won't want to let it go just to keep his stances, and thus concede on many points just to have the opportunity to govern. BUT at the same time, he also has many radical voters that he needs to keep happy as well. So there's now this super thin line he has to strut of convincing other parties that he has changed, or is willing to concede a LOT, AND keeping radical voters happy with much harsher immigration laws
Geert Wilders has allways stood up for the Netherlands and the great Dutch people, and he dosen't bow down to the unelected EU politburo in Brussels. Holland needs him right now, as a matter of fact we need somebody like him in charge here in the UK.
The EU has made very good decisions recently. Europe is economically relevant only because of the EU. The EU is a regulatory superpower and works as the setter of standards for the entire world. Wanting the EU gone is a smooth brain take.
It just became more complicated as the VVD has just stated that they will not work with PVV, but instead they’ll join the opposition. However, they have said that they will not vote against new laws. Crazy😂
Saying the Netherlands has gone “Right” is kind of wrong, for the longest time the MP and the most influential party has been the VVD which is a right-winged Liberal party. (Liberalism meaning freedom for the rich). The PVV is more middle compared to the VVD, yet people keep saying the Netherlands have gone “right” because people are only focused on Geert Wilders’ opinions on Immigration.
Not really, most Dutch people - including Wilders himself - are also SUPER surprised. We knew he had a chance of becoming the biggest, but NOBODY expected these margins...
Well, basically all the parties on the left (except the SP) are now focussing primarily on fighting culture wars with the far-right, while ignoring actual problems. The traditional leftist issues (social security, healthcare, equal opportunities, housing, etc.) have all been taken over by the center right parties VVD, CDA, NSC and BBB. So why would people who've always voted left because of those traditionally leftist issues vote for the same parties now?
Although this specific outcome is unique, in the past we have been quite right-leaning as a country yes. Though I have a feeling right-leaning has a different meaning here than it does in some other countries (notably the US). What I find funny is that in the US the right is very much against more socialist ideas, whereas here someone like Wilders (far right) wants to put more money into healthcare. The right moreso wants to invest more into things of dutch cultural and historical importance, from which these ideas are ingrained, whereas left-leaning parties want to make more sweeping changes (recently related to climate change)
UPDATE: VVD leader Dilan Yesilgöz-Zegerius has said VVD will not enter government, but could support a centre-right government in parliament on constructive proposals.
She said: “The big winners are the PVV and NSC. After thirteen years, a different role suits us. The voter also said: VVD, skip a round. But we will make a centre-right cabinet possible. We will support constructive proposals, so it is a form of tolerance."
nos.nl/artikel/2499072-fractievoorzitter-yesilgoz-vvd-niet-in-kabinet-mogelijk-wel-gedoogsteun
thats actually great news, that party has caused enough trouble
Then again, a government coalition must be formed to clearly formulate yearly proposals in the first place
Thanks for this update. This is actually huge, but not in a good way. VVD speaks as if they need to be humble, but by stating this before any formation talks have been going on they actually make it impossible to get a non-right coalition. So they are not humble at all and decide for all of the Netherlands what the outcome has to be. I hope they will make it impossible to get a coalition now so that a re-election is needed where even more VVD voters will judge the actions of Dilan.
Her statement could be a part of positioning for later negotiations
The thing is VVD leader Dilan Yesilgöz-Zegerius actually has not a say in that. She also constantly switched back and fort between wanting to form a coalition with wilders. There are options. But dutch society is so polarised the last few years. That if they exclude the PVV from government. Will probably result in mass riots and anger. And will make the situation the crises we have worse by adding another one.
As a Dutchmen, I always love to hear you Brits totally butcher the names of our politicians
They didn't mention Thierry Baudet, which is the correct thing to do, but it would've been fun to hear that name get mangled.
Godverdomme!
We'll it's not the easiest language to pronounce
Pretty rich criticizing someone for incorrectly pronouncing obscure names in a fringe language while not even being able to spell something simple as dutchmAn right
Correctly pronouncing a succession of Dutch names is equal to one hundred stomach-crunches.
I enjoy how TLDR quickly highlighted the political agendas of Wilders, Timmermans and Omtzigt, but didn't show anything at all when discussing the VVD. Presumably because the VVD also don't know what their political agenda actually is.
Hollow PR probably best describes it
They just do whatever their donors tell them to do
say yes everything eu says
Because they are dictated by bigger groups with nefarious hidden intention.
Their agenda is whatever corporate lobbyists tell them it is.
Is the outcome really surprsing at this point? Europe has been rapidly shifting to the right in recent years. The Netherlands is no exception to this pattern. Migration seems to be a big reason for this.
Id say europe is in its right phase after a long left phase except for britain who had its right phase and the right is currently crumbling
The real issue is that few parties left of center are even willing to seriously discuss immigration. Many voters are voting for right wing parties because of their immigration stances, even if the rest of their views don't align with the right wing. Denmark is one of few examples of the contrary, in which a left wing government became well liked due to its immigration stance
I hope Europe can become what it was before, some racism is required at this moment
I have a solution, have all ethnic Dutch people from North America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand move back to the Netherlands then the foreign ethnicities in the The Netherlands can leave. Fair is fair. Oh wait, it's only other races not allowed in Europe, Europeans can populate wherever they want lol!
I think people want Solutions to housing and Inflation Problems, Not someone that is rising taxes to ‘fight’ some far away climate Problem.
No matter what your political ideology is, you have to acknowledge, that the wins of Wilders in Europe and Milei in South America are certainly showing a nice trend for memorable hair. The VVD most likely suffered due to her leader not being memorable enough with her standard hairstyle, so the loss was to be expected. The second place of Timmermans and his gain show solidarity of people that struggle with hair loss and therefore back him. In the recent local elections, BBB has a leader with interesting hair, but was effectively outhaired by Wilders more recently. The leader of D66 and CDA unsurprisingly have very boring hair and accordingly were big election loosers.
LMFAO WHAGT
Interesting hypothesis. Afterall who can forget trump's hair 😂
@@interrupted_reverie Cancel culture does not want you to know that facvt about international politics.
I hear that Stamer is planning on colouring his hair Purple in the New Year. If this happens I predict a landslide victory
Yeah. I would argue that averidge indigenous European that rememer his family sufferings during the WW2 is disgusted with this terrorist celebrations and anti-semitism on the streets. But, sure, you can argue it is hair Makes sense. Keep on with banality.
As an American, it baffles me how many diverse political parties the Dutch have compared to our 2 party system. Makes me wish we had something like that in the States.
Yeah you guys would do well to break that grip. It could see American politics flourish. As an oldskool lefty America was and is not always a friend - but I totally understand the people's America is in many ways a great place. It's a shame to see it languish the way it does.
Well every positives has its negatives. Our system definetly has it flaws also
It works for small countries, a large country will be paralysed. Maybe, this can be impl on county / state level
Coalitions often mean that nothing can be done.
All parties and politicians are same ..apart from few ...rest all are evil and crooks
Countries tend to vote right when a large majority of people feel unheard. This is definitely true for the Netherlands
I think it's because there is a serious lack of anti war parties that want to end the creation of refugees in the first place.
Its still no excuse to demonise migrants that are fleeing these resource wars.
Which is monumentally stupid because the one iron-clad guarantee that you will continue not to be heard...is to vote for an even more rightwing one man show (the PVV is not a party: it is run by one single man).
Just like the Russian revolution
Brussels really thinks it can keep sanitizing the absolute crisis that Islamist migrants are putting the EU through. It’s clear as day the single biggest thing making the lives of Europeans today unbearable are Islamist migrants who refuse to integrate and become moderate Muslims. Anyone who doesn’t integrate should be deported, without any loops they can use to stay. Don’t want to become westerner? Move back to a country that fits your ideology like Iran or Syria and be banned from ever entering the EU again. Until that’s official policy by Brussels, anti EU sentiment will continue to grow. Time for them to start listening to the people if they don’t want to destroy what’s left of the EU project.
@@bramposthumus9300 and yet the people still voted for him, if you want to think a total of like 2.5 million people are stupid for voting for someone who might actually change things, thats all you, but atleast consider the alternative: shutting up
Minor correction: They will appoint a 'verkenner' (scout) first before the informateur. PVV senator Gom van Strien has been chosen for this job. He will talk to all parties to see what their preferences are. Only then will they appoint a informateur to group some parties together to discuss a possible coalition.
@Person11068 No, not anymore. The king used to have a role, but they took that role away a few years ago
@Person11068no they are not involved in that. the job used to be for the king but the leftists changed that so now it's a senator or respected former politician
@Person11068 mijn opa aan vader kant is Catalaans voor de rest ben ik Nederlands
@Person11068 not as much elect but accept. Our king does not have any choice in that.
This is a senator who said that the senate is a fake parliament😂😂 fuck this country
as a factcheck by a Dutch local: this video is absolutely spot on. I'm very impressed
I completely agree
Ow echt, dus wilders is niet sociaal zwaar links?
Well informed, and well presented. Chapeau!
Any comments on coalition partners stance towards russia?
@@JamalPoorman pvv (biggest party rn) is anti Russia in general, but mainly wants NL to stay out of it (own country first), especially regarding EU integration with Ukraine. VVD (large maybe coalition partner) fairly pro weapons to Ukraine, careful about EU integration. NSC (last potential coalition) somewhat ambivalent, mainly focusses on own border protection.
As a Dutchman who follows Politics closely i can say a very accurate, concise and complete video this was! Not a single sentence wasted. Cheers
Who did you vote for? If i may ask...
Bullshit, pvv isnt right wing, theyre center right leaning. Neither are they populist. GL/PvDA is way more populist, as we all clearly saw in the debates
@@Kamikaze4656 PVV
To clarify, Rutte has not always outright ruled out including the PVV in government. In his first government, the PVV was a passive support partner as the government did not have a majority in the lower chamber by themselves. The PVV, however, proved unreliable and withdrew their support after a year or two, and this break of trust led Rutte to henceforth avoid including them in government again.
And now the tables have been turned. PVV will enter a minority cabinet with NSC and BBB, and the VVD will be the passive support partner.
because Rutte is a corrupt scumbag politician.
after UK Conservative Party, the Dutch "Conservative" Party is probably the worst in Europe.
Says who?@@burgienl
@@burgienlthe PVV actually wants VVD in their cabinet. Since they won a lot as well and have experience.
@@burgienlthe math ?😂
Sweden was always like that: "oh we will never work together with the right wing populists". But here we are. Netherlands will probably fall into the same pattern at some point.
Germany is on its way aswell. They messed around with the silent majority too much.
Sounds like music to my ear. Finally some change from this neo-liberal fake progressive bullshit.
Good, the parties are getting too big to ignore, too many people are seeing the problems these parties often bring up…
“But left wing populists - and outright Communists are fine!”
Right wing parties in the Netherlands never said that. This will be the third coalition involving right wing populists.
Thank you for this informative video. As a Dutchman I was curious how people from abraod would look at the result of the Dutch elections. One tip: Tell at the beginning of your video that our second chamber has 150 seats. It is helpful for people to know that Wilders has 37 out of 150 seats or The Pvda 25 out of 150 and that a majority of 76 seats is needed to form a government. You did say that number of 76 eventually, but I would mention it right at the beginning. Thanks again for your video.
Awesome! Thanks for the clarification 🇫🇮🇳🇱
well i was thinking to moving to Netherland and i was learning Dutch too but after the elections i preferred to move USA.
@@عبدالروٴف And with what excuse u would have moved there? "asulym" excuse. These asylum abusers are the reason why Europeans are voting Right wing parties now.
@@عبدالروٴف You know that Trump has a good change to win?
Politicians have no backbone to say no to a position in the cabinet. They will forget their promises and ideologies for a nice title and pay.
My view absolutely! They are 'prostitutes' in that regard. We have seen this here in Portugal. Power corrupts.
Granted the VVD just said they wouldn't go in government, more backbone than I would've given them credit for
@@nigelhoare2152 How are those two comparable? Most prostitutes deliver on their promises, unlike politicians, even if their services don't come cheap.
If you understand Dutch politics you know that’s just not possible. Unless a party gets 75 or more votes (never happened) you need to negotiate with the other parties, and that gives the smaller parties power. If you don’t come to an agreement they will try to form a coalition with other parties.
the real truth.
Interesting how he followed Marine Le Pen’s strategy in the end of the campaign, by softening his anti-immigration rhetoric and talking more about social issues, elders, cost of life, etc That probably helped him
It's going to be hard to swallow for a lot of first time PVV voters when they discover that was just campaign rhetoric and Wilders' actual voting record in parliament shows that he is most likely to favour proposals that were previously put forward by the VVD: the party that was the main contributor to Dutch government in the last 13 years.
I expect a lot of first time voters will feel like they were served a false bill of goods. And it's unfortunate that we always find that out after the fact, and never before.
@@Belabor92 People continue to vote for fascists thinking they will somehow be better than conservatives when they're literally just the same thing and have the same policy stances
No. It is a frame from the parties like PvdA/GroenLinks, that the voters voted for PVV due to a protest against old politics, social issues, or elders, cost of live.
When that was true, they could all have chosen those left wing parties like PvdA/GL and SP. They strongly didnt.
They chose PVV because they are fed-up with immigrants, mainly from the muslim countries. Listen to what is happening on the streets, get out of your bubble.
@@BMWHP2yeah a lot of these people are coping and I can't recognize they're scared of Muslims destroying their civilization which is currently happening🤔
@@Belabor92as long as we see the country look less like a third world country and more like an actual European country, it’s all good
PvdA & VVD forming a coalition together is not unheard of, but last time this happened it was really the only viable option and PvdA lost 29 of its 38 seats as a result
This was due to strategic voters. People on the right where afraid of the Socialist Party becoming massive and chose VVD. People on the right where afraid of PVV becoming massive they all chose PvdA.
Yeah this coalition was stupid. The PvdA totally threw all their ideals in the trash and I knew this moment was for quite a bit of people I know the moment where they decided to no longer vote for them. That was until this election at least where those same people decided to strategically vote for them which ended up draining the entire idealistic left of their seats.
Lets not look away from the fact that traditionaly PvdA was the political party for the working middle to lower class. Something thats definetly not the case today. PvdA lost pretty much all their supporters during their 2017 elections and the funny thing is most people have totally forgotten about Diederik Samson
@@mcj2219 yup, and now it has become quite big again
yeahhh no, I think that will just murder both parties. BVNL is a new more capitalistic VVD alternative that is ready to pounce if VVD slips up and when it happens they'll probably take a few seats of their hands.
This is why i love Proportional Representation…it forces parties and leaders to work together, it proportionally represents all voters. I hope they make the right choices, work hard to work with the PVV. The Netherlands needs change, and they voted for it…quite severely in this case. It’s what happens when mainstream parties ignore the voters on their issues.
But the downside is, if that negotiation goes wrong it can turn into a situation like Belgium.
@@siuchoi7655 True, but it just means politicians need to work harder, Belgium is technically two different countries jammed together. That was their problems and will continue to be.
Gets nothing done. America’s system is better in this sense.
downside is that 2nd place party, wich the PVV was for awhile can just get excluded and therefor alot of people's voices get alienated.
This time the people have had enough of this, turns out virtue signaling for social justice and neglecting your entire economy doesn't make for the best leadership.
But the voters they ignored are literal fascists.
I’m Dutch and I would just like to say you explained this really good. There is also a probability of a minority coalition where VVD will support PVV in some decisions. This is the other way around from the first coalition with Rutte, where PVV was the minority supporting VVD.
dutch people dont like the vvd anymore...
Hey TLDR, amazing video as always. I'm happy to see you added that VVD only wants to support a government, not be part of it. I wanted to make one comment. While I understand that you have to simplify stuff in favour of getting an understandable video, actually the next step isn't to appoint an informateur. The first step is to appoint an explorer, then they'll publish the results, then they'll discuss those results. Then they'll appoint the informateur, whose job it is to specifically research one coalition, as recommended by the explorer (verkenner). After this, we also have a formateur, but that's after a coalition has been created, and the formateur basically always is the new minister-president/prime minister, whose job it is to appoint ministers from the participating parties. I know, it's convoluted and a clear sign of the (in)famous Dutch 'poldermodel'
Thanks for explaining this in a simple manner for us non-Europeans to understand.
only the media and the establishment think this is a shock.
It‘s a shock for the ~75% of people who didn’t vote for them
@@autumnjacaranda106I know Muslims that voted for this man, it's not a shock at all.
Disagreeing is not the same as being blind to what happens in the country. The left has been pretty much wiped out, which surprised me more.
@@sheesh7719 Older muslim immigrants that also felt pushed away by Rutte's policies might be cast their vote for him, but not the younger muslims that still put big question marks upon his anti-islam rethorics.
@@autumnjacaranda106 definitely not. it was quite obvious. The Netherlands is mainly right winged, except in Amsterdam & Utrecht. FVD are a bunch of conspiracy terrorists (Yes I wrote it on purpose). VVD proved to fail 3 times. NSC is too unsure about a lot of things, which made everyone question their leadership. So what are you left with; PVV.
The immigration problem isn't helping either...
Excellent video! But there are some mistakes, for instance at 4:00: the Gaza conflict and attacks in Belgium did not play a major role in the recent resurgence of PVV. It's much more about ongoing domestic migration tensions: overflowing housing for asylum seekers, increasing crime from economic migrants from safe countries, and housing shortages that are perceived to be worsened (or even caused) by all kinds of immigration (from Polish farm labour to rich expats).
The housing crisis has been ongoing since the 1950s and is self inflicted. 70 (!!) years of housing shortage because of government policies and the population's attitudes of welcoming the whole world into their small country.
I think they would, even if not a major one. Just add to the sentiment. Gaza conflict has stirred up some anti Islamic sentiment, as did the attacks in Belgium. This is the guy who wants to ban mosques and migration from Islamic countries.
Not a subscriber but this channel was my first port-of-call for some top-notch coverage of this fascinating election. Keep it up, lads.
small semi-correction: 2:04 they only won parliament elections
They lost at least the last two senate elections to FvD and BBB
Also European elections atleast one time to PvdA
As a Dutchman, I'm not saying that Geert will save the day and be perfect, but I'm happy that we finally got a common sense guy as premier, no more WEF goblin - career traitor like Rutte.
As an Australian with a weird obsession with Dutch politics I've been wanting to see Geert have a victory like this for the last ~15 years. Congratulations to the Netherlands, now let's hope he becomes PM.
both vvd and nsc prefer a minority coalition, which would mean the lower chamber would actually house debates again to get support from the parties people voted for, instead of what happened previous years where the coalition would write a governing agreement that decided everything beforehand and leave no room for debate
you can do that when fewer parties are to choose from. no matter what the suggestion, every party will want to see their DNA in the proposal
Honestly we should just restrict how extensive proposals can be, so the government always has to rely on debates.
And with a minority coalition, just one vote of trust and the parliament is out.
Possibly. Will cause some issues with who to get in cabinet, given PVV/NSC/BBB have a very small experience pool in cabinet posts. VVD has plenty... but most of that has been marinated and stewed in Rutte doctrine for a decade. So maybe this is for the best.
Let's hope for that. And not that Rutte is trying to unleash his final bout of pettiness. Doubt the VVD would agree to suicide for that, but they've done stranger things.
the truth is that we don't yet know what the parties want, in politics there are only lairs and self enrichers. Nobody voted that the farmers had to be bought out with taxpayer money, nobody voted for fishing companies to get destroyed, nobody voted that we should burn our tax money in a huge fire we call 'green energy', nobody voted for a dictator that illegally confiscated our freedom (kind of ironical that the party that did it is literally called party of freedom and democracy) and created 2nd class citizens, that you had to show a pass to prove what kind of good obedient useful idiot you were by taking that highly dangerous experimental drug the government was pushing harshly and otherwise social life was denied to you.
the thing is too that PVV will need to make concessions whether Wilders likes it or not. If he kept his stance as radical as it was/is, there'd be no way a coalition would be created at all, with even a minority one being very difficult for voting power
Spot on ! And if he does make more concessions the radicals in his fraction may rebel.
@@nlbergsma thats good radicals are too unstable and unhinged for any government its like having a bomb with a clock that can’t decide whether to blow up at 2 am or 3:33 pm or not at all. Its good to have people push things more but full on radicals are unsavory
Excellent analysis as usual
It's just sad how there's such a large block of bureaucrats across europe who are just outright ignoring the popular will leading to things like this or the riots in Ireland. Immigration is a MAJOR issue in Europe, the defining issue of this generation in fact, you cannot keep ignoring it.
Sure immigration is an issue, but go full Fash isn’t the answer lol
while migration is a major issue, i would disagree with you on being the defining one at least as i would rather point to it being climate change.
The riots in Ireland were caused by the far right
@@merlino4100 Yes i can concede that, a lot of people are also vocally concerned about climate change and as someone who leans more to the right i also think it's foolish of conservative parties to ignore that issue just as it is for the left-wing ones to ignore mass migration.
However, the issue of climate change is a global issue, it's not something one particular government can resolve, you can surely take steps to reduce your own emissions, but if you're the Dutch your emissions are but a tiny dropplet in the context of global emissions, and any efforts you undertake domestically will have no effect whatsoever at the global level.
But i do agree it would be a good idea for any government that seeks to represent the popular concerns to also have climate change as one of their top issues and to take whatever steps are possible to lower domestic emissions and work with other countries to perhaps help reduce theirs.
xenophobia is the problem
Good video. As a Dutchman, I'm glad you put some of the blame on the VVD's leader, not enough are doing that
Excellent job. I am Dutch and think you got everything right!👍
What a bloody colorful parliament
Great channel. Love the analysis. Please keep making more.
The fact that Wilders had to say that he will do nothing that would be against the constitution worries me the most.
Why?
@@kevin___ Why? Because every member of parliament pledged to be faithful to the constitution. So there is no need to mention it unless he had other intentions.
@tijmen-vm9lq Just remember that the Germans believed that Hitler could solve all their problems back then. People never learn.
The VVD made the right decision not to be part of that.
@@pjhgerlach well, he is friend of orbán, so i can imagine some shitty stuff from him
@@minidreschi2 What troubles me more as a Dutchman is that either 25% of the voters thinks just like him or are plain stupid.
Probably both.
as a dutch i am not shocked or surpised
You pronounce "order" in a way that qualifies you to run for Speaker of the House of Commons.
Regardless of your views on the guy nothing beats john bercows ODAAAAAAA 😂😂😂 the man is iconic
Time for the Netherlands to beat the belgian world record of longest without government
to be honest, the previous election took quite some time as well... :-P
It might be shocking but we Indians are very fond of Mr.Greet
small correction: in the Netherlands the green-labour alliance is not viewed as CENTER-left but pure LEFT as they proposed significant increases in taxes for companies and on wealth, which also helps explaining why none of the other more right wing parties like PVV, VVD and NSC were keen to govern with the green-labour alliance
yeah, the "green" party GroenLinks is actually post-communist
If PVV-VVD-NSC-BBB would be considered "center right", than GLPVDA is center left. Parties like PvdD, Bij1, Denk and SP are all more left leaning than PVDAGL.
PvdA used to be left yes, but they've been restyling themselves more and more moderate/center in an attempt to gain votes for decades now. Merging with GL is just their latest attempts to win a few extra votes.
these parties are doing well globally now as all of gen y and a lot of gen z can now vote. These are the generations impacted by climate change. These are also generations where wives don't vote based on what their husband says
Agreed, the green-labour party is about as left as it gets.
"The Netherlands' Election Explained: How the Right Won"
They got the most votes. The end.
This :)
Oh, and also because a lot of people are kind of done with the lack of proper action being taken for over a decade now. Problems such as housing, law enforcement (low capacity), high food prices, lack of backbone (ASML for example), and the complete absence of taking responsibility for mistakes made in the past (gas drilling in Groningen for example) are a few of the reasons people are eager for a change of pace from the politics. Lets hope the new government wil start with being an actual government and focus on fixing the current problems which they were warned about for wel over a decade now.
@@petiertje This, :D
and failing to handle the flooding in Limburg, people worry more about unchecked immigration, the severe housing crisis, forced municipalities to contruct(or convert old buildings) asylum centers in the middle of a housing crisis, trying to hush away the tax fraud scandal..
You and I can go on..
Its easy to win as a rightoid when the voters are idiots
Dankjewel, goede uitleg.
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No matter how many times I hear it, People's party for freedom and democracy sounds like something you'd find behind the Iron curtain.
The guy in the title looks like someone flushed Boris Jonson in the toilet and tried to fix him so people wouldn’t notice but failed.
And 2 days in the 2nd biggest party excluded Wilders and the 3rd, previously biggest and government-leading VVD stated they will not be joining any government coalition.
Thus, there is no center-right majority coalition possible any more, though de VVD did state they could be convinced to support a minority coalition from the opposition benches. Wilders did the same for VVD and CDA during Rutte I and massively screwed them over by pulling is support when the 2008 financial crisis hit. Both the VVD and newcomer and 4th biggest NSC (which includes many, many former CDA politicians) have people in their ranks from that went through that political disaster and may be rather unwilling to trust Wilders ever again.
It's a mess and somewhat of a clown show, especially when it comes to the VVD, who:
- Caused the previous government to collapse, supposedly over immigration.
- Though only the refugee family unification program, which represents less than 4% of the total immigration number.
- Only to use that exact topic as their primarily election topic, while also campaigning on promising a new approach to politics, looking forward and standing behind the country.
- This after 13 years of government (and nearly 40 years of continually being part of nearly all government coalitions).
- A period marred with all manner of socio-economic challenges as well as several political scandals, all of them directly related to VVD policies / ministers.
- All while, until the last debat, the VVD never challenged the PVV, led by a former VVD member of parliament.
- Keeping the door open for Wilders to actually be more than an opposition party and protest vote.
- As up and until now all save for some even more right wing groups have excluded him after the disaster he caused when pulling his opposition support from the Rutte I coalition.
- And now they are stating that due to the 10 seats they lost they will not be taking part in any coalition, instead opting to go into the opposition benches.
It remains to be seen just how sincere this last statement is, the VVD has a rather deserved reputation for changing their minds and being extremely opportunistic / neoliberal. This could be a ploy to try and calm down their voters, while also making it clear to Wilders that they'd truly want something out of any support they might lend a (minority) coalition. Most likely this would come down to de PVV and VVD trying to push out as much of NSC's Omzigt's governmental reform ideas..........exploratory talks start on Monday, so unless Wilders of Omtzigt do anything rash over the weekend, we won't know much more until Monday afternoon at the earliest.
It's as if VVD is looking for the bottom. Absolutely crazy what it has become. Then again - we have a few of those. Hollow power centers at best. God knows who's benefiting from that.
VVD knows a coalition with PVV doesn't last because while they have a trackrecord of not having active recollections of past events this they remember quite well...
So they keep a distance, knowing that the people who voted for PVV in anger won't vote for PVV another time and will likely come back to them during the next elections. (Elections that are probable to take place within 4 years.)
As someone who is largely a democratic socialist who believes in climate change and science, but who also believes western nations should preserve their more conservative, Christian, and ethnic European roots, it frustrates me beyond belief that denouncing hard science like climate change is nearly always tied together with things like reducing and controlling immigration. If we take the term conservatism at face value it makes sense… these are people staunchly resistant to change, and having to work around the fact that the thing that powers your life is hurting the entire planet in a massive scale is not a welcome change for someone to wrap their head around… but still. The only way to preserve is to change, you must always adapt to the environment around you in order to preserve what you care about most. Not pretend that everything is as it’s always been.
It drives me mad too. But I don't think the environmentalist movement helps either, XR insists that you can't support climate action unless you support a million other left-leaning issues that have nothing to do with climate. They are good at raising the salience of climate change, which has been a welcome change to our politics; but they have also been stuck in a purity spiral whose net result is to shrink their own coalition, not grow it.
In the Netherlands we do have a social left party which is for limiting immigration. That is the SP (socialist party). It is not that big anymore, but it is there.
To be fair, Wilders doesn't deny climate change. He believes in science. He just... doesn't care. His point is that we're such a small country, that actually spending so much money on environmental issues will just cost too muchand is not worth it. And that's the thing about populism: he wants to promise ppl the world, but someone else will have ot pay the price. Not us!
That's because conservative Christian values and 'ethnic roots' are pretty incompatible with egalitarian values. I mean, sure, there are some parties like that (the SP in the Netherlands is also pretty anti-immigration, as is the social democratic party in Denmark) but generally it's inconsistent.
People from other countries have to remove corruption in their own governments instead of running to the EU and US, the current trend also is corrupt politicians stealing from their own country then fleeing to the EU or US with the wealth and enjoying their spoils
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Europe finally understands
The PVV genuinely isn’t that ‘far right’ their policies on healthcare and livelihood security are rather left. The only thing they are ‘far right’ on, is immigration policies. The people that claim they are a danger and are ‘far right’ definitely haven’t done enough research.
Nope . But Netherlands can funfair be stopped
This doesn't need 10 minutes video it can be summarized in one sentence "Mama Merkel messed up".
Merkel was president of Netherlands when ?
As a Dutchman, I need this video as well 😂
7 oktober happened
Left cheered it on
Most Dutch said f that
I'm an American learning Dutch so I always doubt my terrible accent. However, hearing other English speakers butcher the language gives me more confidence lol. Anyways, this is a great informative video. I am interested in global politics so I always enjoy learning from TLDR's channel.
This makes me want to go play the Dutch in EU4
Perfect analyses. Well done.
Just a note: the parties that are describes as center-left or centrist, are actually left and far-left. VVD is also center-left in reality.
Hahahaha
VVD being centre left. What a joke.
@@xshme Only joke here are the people that believe that the VVD is still the same as it was 15 years ago, they are leftist in practice.
Rutte is not retiring he wants to be head of NATO.
To get into power, maybe someone will turn complete face about just like Sánchez has done here in Spain. 😄
I just love Geert Wildres's hair, if I were a Dutch it would be enough for me to vote for him.
Yea... his hair has always been a thing.
Thanks thanks thanks! I was waiting for your video to understand better what's going on.
"far right" "populist" "extremist"
Sure, not wanting to be replaced in your own country is populism these days.
Being anti imigration is not necessarily extremist. Having the rhetoric of this guy is extremist though. The guy hates Muslims with all his heart
Believing you are about to be replaced and need to be saved is falling for populism and always has been.
A big reason I don't like Timmermans is not because of his roles before but more his history of lying together with his plan on taxes. My belief is that most big companies will leave the Netherlands while small companies might just completely go bankrupt. A lot of people seem to only see their benefits while they might not even get them in the end.
So Timmermans, in the eyes of the right, is both a member of the leftist EU elite that control the continent, and similtanously will make the Netherland hostile to big coorporations who are frequently put in the same imaginary cabal. You have to pick 1 sir. Besides, currently, the Netherlands is nothing short of an EU-taxhaven. And if this fearmongering on the right that the coorporations will leave the Netherlands should teach you one thing: it is not the government who has the most power over your wealth, it is undemocratic multinationals who will scare you into giving them obscene profits, 'or else'.
Let small companies flourish. That’s the plan.
@@DePraatjesMaker sorry, but that is the lie. The same lie VVD has been promoting the last 20 years. Neo liberals dont give a single damn about small business owners. Only the big corps are worth
Never trust a champagne socialist who wants the best for you. His outlined role in EU politics is just the icing on the cake. He’s the type of politician which has been so dominant in Europe over the last 3 decades and people have had enough of them
Small companies are not targeted
I'm an Argentinian libertarian living in the Netherlands. Banning mosques and banning other things is not libertarian nor classical liberal. Also restricting immigration instead of making it better (smarter) isn't.
Yeah, I'm left-wing and I don't agree with mosque bans either, but something needs to be done. Geert Wilders can't live a normal life because of the death threats. Muslims are the only religious group that goes that far. I despise all religions, but Islam is clearly the worst, and if what they're doing jeopardizes our way of life, I can't accept that.
I think you should go back to Argentina too because you aren’t Dutch so u don’t understand nothing at all
... because everything has a shelf life...even ideologies.
Great win for Geert!
It'll be long before the coalition is formed. If it helps, it's being floated that BBB will also be a part of the cabinet, as thanks to their prior victories, they are the biggest party in the Eerste Kamer (roughly equivalent to the house of lords or the senate)
That is mentioned in the video, right? But it doesn't show that even together with BBB, PVV-VVD-NSC will only have 30 out of 38 required senate seats.
Congrats Geert!
Dutch people in the comments explaining Dutch politics to (mostly) Dutch people over here.
The Dutch are awesome. Some of the smartest, most successful, most tolerant and sensible people in the world.
@jj-yi1ne That does not apply to the Dutch only ! 😏
we are pretty smart except for pvv and fvd voters lol
@@ralzvyDon't you mean GL-PvdA?
@@ZZendeta no, pvv voters are on average a low education level. our school is havo/vwo (the highest level) and gl-pvda got the most votes here
@@ralzvy That doesn't make any sense lmao, anyone in their right mind would vote for the right unless they are highly supporting charity. For example: things like 'climate' should be one of the last things you should think about at this moment, especially since the Netherlands is a small country and barely contributes to climate change. My school is also havo/vwo but more ppl were right winged.
You ignore legit issues for too long (VVD), treat people as an inconvienience (VVD), run a corrupt Government, caught multiple times breaking the law (VVD) & refuse to acknowledge any need for change (VVD) then yea, people going to look for an alternative, SHOCKER!
To be honest.. the PVV is always painted as a far right party .. it’s a bit trickier.. the have a fairly left leaning economy structure compared to other right wing parties..but are “fairly ” conservative towards EU laws, especially immigration.
Exactly, look at the economic party points: higher minimum wage, lower taxes on groceries, better social housing, better social wellfare for elderly, lower rent, lower energy prices, lower health insurance costs. Sounds the opposite of right. Then with globalization, immigration and law and order they are certainly right leaning.
Nope, the whole "PVV has left-leaning economic policies" isn't really true if you look at their voting, where they're usually in line with VVD. They are a bit more left-leaning in their rethoric regarding econ issues, but not in voting.
this is in fact a lie
the PVV does not vote left on economic matters, and only frames itself as such with promises they repeatedly show no intention of acting on
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The U.S needs a party system like this. Too bad our country is too big for this to materialize though
Tbh it's kind of a mess, as mentioned, depending on how the politicians decide to form coalitions, it could result in the most voted party remaining out of office regardless of being the majority voted party.
The USA has something similar with the electoral college, but tbh i prefer that over the way it works in Europe where it's just backroom deals between the parties
The American uniparty fight tooth and nail to ensure there will only ever be a semblance to 2 teams. 😂
@@liquidsnake6879 but even if other parties form a coalition and side line the PVV. those parties still need a majority (76 or more seats of the 150 available ones) so we still get a coalition where over 50% of the people voted for.
the PVV has 37 seats that's roughly 25% of them, so 75% of the population voted for other parties.
in the Dutch way you're able to vote for the party that you feel closed to. and you have plenty of choice. you might end up with a lot of different parties but we have a lot of different people too. and even a small party could become part of the coalition. and even if the become part of the opposition they still make your voice heard.
in the US system you either vote for one guy or another guy ad chances are they have a lot of things you're not happy with but you can only choice for a bad option or a slightly less bad option. or you choice for an independent guy and your vote is useless.
and very time one party gets beaten by the other one they try to undo everything the others did in the years before, so the country has a hard time making progress.
in the US the chance that you aren't represented by the government is way higher than in a multi party system.
@@liquidsnake6879 this is a stupid comment, a coalition has to represent more than 50% of the voters, doesn't matter if the largest party is included or not. Also, the backdoor meetings to form a coalition at least make politicians commit to their promises, unlike in the US. And they may not include things you think is important, but can happen in any democratic system.
its actually good to have because its more balanced. @@liquidsnake6879
Forming a goverment could easely take a year. And remember the 4 year election start directly after the vote.
Forming a majority coalition is next to impossible with PVV. And even if they compromise enough to get there, it would fall before the full term passes.
Wilders has shown time and time again he can't be a teamplayer.
I personally think as a Dutchman that if none of the other parties are not forming a government with the PVV it's probably going to collapse in a few months. since the pvv almost holds double the seats then most of the parties
I get the feeling if the other parties refuse to work with the PVV. Which causes a new election.
The PVV will win even more as the voters will feel insulted by the other parties and sympathetic to PVV.
The times of ignoring the majority are over. If they do ignore the PVV, they will get even more votes the next time. Good times ahead.
@gameofender9663 the most recent government census show that 65% of the vvd voters and 73% of nsc voters prefer an vvd, pvv, nsc, bbb coalition. If they where to refuse an pvv coalition pvv might even exceed 45 seats in the next elections
@@gameofender4463 Dutch here, I think the exact same! Almost everybody is fed up with the housing crisis, mass immigration and not being able to buy groceries. And the PVV is the only one who wants to drastically change that for the good of the own people. Fed up that we got children at the age of 35 still living with their parents because they are unable to find housing. All the while you see new immigrants settling in those houses because of EU laws. If there are going to be new elections I think the PVV will be the biggest party our country has ever seen
@@CT--ov5ne I can believe that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got an outright majority on their own if that happened.
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I’m a Dutch citizen, this video actually gets quite a few things wrong. If you’re interested it’s fine to watch but take a few things said here with a pinch of salt.
I don't think it gets things really wrong but it lacks certain nuance, but tbf it's hard to paint the Dutch political landscape in a 10 min video..
I love your channel, because you're one of the few newsportals that are actually neutral.
he was the only candiate who dident want to destroy the food supply not suprising that he won
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out off other people's money.......
Flabbergasted by this election because no one rightfully presented this result.
- PVV was in the last poll at 26 next to VVD and Groenlinks / PVDA and got 37 (with a total of 150 that is a lot)
-The new VVD leader Yesilgöz made this possible. The former VVD leader ruled out PVV and took some points in the campaigns against migration. After Yesilgöz didn't rule out PVV they started to get more votes.
- The game changer came from a debate where a woman wanted action about the poverty in the Netherlands (a real issue) and the growing costs of the own risk that people need to pay before the health care insurance pays it and GL / PVDA leader told her the honest answer where he said they wanted to do that but it took something like 4 years. The woman disagreed, while PVV leader Wilders said Timmermans gets money from his European parliament function and let it know that people can't pay their bills (later people found evidence she has connections with the PVV). Then the only poll came before the last weekend and Wilders got +5 seats and came on the same polled results as the leaders VVD and GL / PVDA. No one got a point across that stick about negative points about the PVV.
- A lot of media called PVV leader Wilders a lot milder (that's the point that stuck and got repeated a lot). All attention went to problems that became bigger during the last 13 years of the government with the VVD and a doubtful Omtzigt if he wanted to be the prime minister. Groenlinks / PVDA leader Timmermans has a bigger profile on climate, while a lot of people are not sure of the future with inflation, hard to find housing. He wanted to do that to, but they campaigned harder about the climate. Timmermans wasn't rated that high with potential voters because he seems a bit more elite. There were better options for leaders.
- A lot of right wing media campaigned hard to make Timmermans and VVD make them the enemy. And a doubtful Omtzigt about his programm, if we wanted to become the leader of the country (where first he want to stay in the Tweede Kamer and later wanted to become the leader with a special kind of government that is less political and more technical / elite (while others say they have more expertise)
And let's not forget that the average Dutch knows barely anything about how our democracy functions. The amount of people that think that democracy is nothing more than ''most votes count, so winner takes all'' is astounding. Like they are a bunch of kids in primary school were the group of 5 call for a ''vote'' to tell the other 4 what to do and have never heard the word 'compromise' before.
De Hond actually pretty accurately predicted this result in his latest poll. His "high" scenario for the PVV was 34 seats (actual 37).
Fun opdate, the first formateur Gom van Striem has already been fired mere days after being selected.Fraud allegations came out almost on the same day that he was selected as formateur. He was a PVV politician. A new formateur has already been selected. This time around they choose former PVDA politician Ronald Plasterk.
As someone who is Dutch. I want to emphasize that the pvv is socially right but they are economically left.
They want to lower retirement age and give free dental and remove own medical risk. Lower fuel prices, keep flying available for people with less money.
Many people voted for him because he claims to give a lot to the poor part of the population.
You don’t have a high gdp debt and have a solid economy. I think he can do that, you are depriving yourselves to pay Italy and Spain debt.
That doesnt adhere to my understanding of the two available options in the world, and not only am I ideologically confused by this strange idea of a party you speak of, but my confusion has filled me with righteous rage. My safe plan is to shame all who are not whatever left means right now.
For it is in fact the idea of left that is to be defended, and not the principles therein! If you write the word right on a thing, I would hate it, for a know it is wrong. Such is the power of my ultimate rational mind!
You missed quite a bit of other important things going on, like different reasons people voted for PVV, de swing voters, difference between polls and actual results, the way the senate works, the "bestaanszekerheid" issue
As a dutch person i have no idea why we did this this is a massive mistake we should of voted groenlinks-pvda
I'm Dutch, but living in London. This is all new for The Netherlands. We've had difficult government formations before, but with the BBB (farmer-citizens movement) suddenly we have a relatively new party right at the negotiating table. And the PVV was never the winner of any election. I think the additional votes for Wilders did not come from an anti-islam sentiment, but from being frustrated with how the current government has dealt with some issues. There is a housing crisis, in part because immigrants are prioritised for social housing. And new houses can't be built in the numbers required because of another issue: a need to reduce nitrogen emissions. This comes from the EU, to protect biodiversity. The Netherlands is a small country, but we are also the largest meat exporter in the EU. Our farming is perhaps the most efficient in the world. But because we are small, and have a huge amount of livestock, the nitrogen depositions per square kilometre are still off the scale. The government wanted to buy out farmers but that sparked protests, sometimes a bit scary ones actually. In general, there is a feeling, among some people anyway, that they are not being told the truth by the government. There is distrust, especially between the countryside and the big cities. This is also not helped by things like gender identity.
Another matter is livelihood security. This has become an increasing issue; life is too expensive for some people. Probably also because of the housing shortages, although I'm not 100% sure about that. Recently as well, planned government investments to mitigate climate change have sparked dissatisfaction, because of course, those investments still have to be paid with tax money. Wilders does apparently not deny climate change (although I think he sort of did before), but the argument is that spending 28 billion euro to reduce warming by 0,000036 degrees Celsius is nonsense (not saying I agree, just saying what the argument is). Instead he seems to be advocating investments to deal with the effects of climate change like sea level rise instead.
I am a bit surprised that the SP (socialist, the most left wing party) did not get any more votes. When it comes to social matters, they actually align almost perfectly with the PVV. And this is a party that wants to make the higher incomes contribute more to climate change measures. So that should improve livelihood security for the lower wages. They are also Eurosceptic, though not as strongly as the PVV.
However, the VVD, a party that traditionally caters to companies and err... rich people, is still far more popular than the SP. Maybe the "socialist" aspect scares some people, but I don't know; we're not the USA. I will say this: compared to other countries, The Netherlands is extremely well organised. We have perhaps the best infrastructure of most countries, and our public pension scheme is paid for even if you're temporarily unemployed. In general, the welfare state compares quite well to some other countries. I feel that people want to protect this, and they see the large percentage of unemployed immigrants as a drain on this system.
I think this sums it up pretty well.
I do have one regret: I did not vote myself. I looked into what I needed to do to vote from abroad too late. All other things being equal, my perspective is that of an internationally oriented person, and as such, I'd much rather have The Netherlands be in the EU. I don't think that that will change, even with this outcome, but I'd rather have done my part to get that vote in.
I know four former SP voters that stopped voting SP because while the SP says a lot of good things and in theory they have a lot of good ideas for those people to vote for them, the SP in practice didn't show any of that. They claim to be opposed to mass migration, yet they continue to support the treaties that allow mass migration. They claim to want to help the farmers, but when it came to voting in parliament they voted to screw over the farmers. They claim to be opposed to a lot of EU stuff, yet when it came down to it they refused to do anything about it or offer any resistance.
At least two of the people I know who used to vote SP are worried that they'll start to bring Americanised 'equality politics' to the Netherlands, with social justice and more special laws to help minorities even more than already exists now. They're especially worried that the SP will just become another 'anti-Dutch' party, or at least think that they can't reasonably vote SP until after the mass migration problem is dealt with.
And the SP goes along with all the 'climate' stuff that most people are very annoyed with these days on account of the situation of farmers and EU overreach.
In addition to this, a vote for the SP is practically just a vote for the PvdA. Because that seems to be the only party they vote along with, and my friends really do not want any PvdA in government.
So yeah, SP- Some good ideas, some bad. But dealing with a disadvantageous political situation and distrust from at least some voters. Especially as some of their ideas are incredibly unpopular, and those ideas seem to be given priority over the ones that people actually want.
I can't speak for all people who switched away from the SP. But I can say that's what those that I know have shared on the subject
There is another factor that I hadn’t actually considered yet: Wilders has ties to the Kremlin. And there is disinformation being spread on social media to try and influence voters. I just noticed one of my social media contacts share something about a left-wing politician that was fake. It’s a brave new world out there, and social media DOES pose a threat to democracy. Not saying with certainty that Russia is involved, but it IS likely.
The EU is fully compromised as an institution. Staying in the EU would mean the eventual death of the Netherlands. People need to understand just how compromised the EU has become.
Trust me we are also done with Islam. If you wanna live here you will adapt to our values and leave ur Islamic law behind you cause it can not coexist with our Dutch values. It's plain simple like that.
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well, my prediction might come true. PvdaGL, CDA, VVD, CU, and D66 have said to not want a coalition with the PVV. That's already 66 seats of parliament realistically gone. Unless they change their mind or the PVV wildly softens its overall stance, this can be disastrous for Wilders' chance of actually forming.
BBB wouldn't mind being in a coalition with Christian SGP, and I reckon NSC wouldn't mind it either, but even then they'd have 67 seats and would need a larger party to tip it over to a majority. FVD, even with only 3 seats, would be out of the question for NSC, so they wouldn't have too many left. SP's hard stance on not budging on its political ideology would make it difficult to be convinced, Volt is VERY Pro-EU, PVDD is quite progressive and left with ofc a big emphasis on animal life and nature, DENK will not join unless the PVV completely abandons its anti-islam stance, and JA21 only has 1 seat so not enough. that's all of em.
I hope Omtzigt (NSC) will show his force and through hard public negotiations will effectively captain a new government.
@@richardbloemenkamp8532 honestly same. Also kinda hoping for a hail Mary with the SP on an economical basis but that's the biggest fingers crossed ever
American here, does this mean Wilders will likely not be PM?
@@Gamer-zq5eb potentially not. The way it works, and has happened once or twice before, is that if the biggest party can't form a coalition at all, the chance goes to the 2nd biggest party (in this case Pvda/GL). So Wilders right now has a very difficult scenario coming.
for the first time he is the biggest party, and likely won't want to let it go just to keep his stances, and thus concede on many points just to have the opportunity to govern. BUT at the same time, he also has many radical voters that he needs to keep happy as well. So there's now this super thin line he has to strut of convincing other parties that he has changed, or is willing to concede a LOT, AND keeping radical voters happy with much harsher immigration laws
Geert Wilders has allways stood up for the Netherlands and the great Dutch people, and he dosen't bow down to the unelected EU politburo in Brussels. Holland needs him right now, as a matter of fact we need somebody like him in charge here in the UK.
Unelected Europe politburo, 👍 nice
The EU has made very good decisions recently. Europe is economically relevant only because of the EU. The EU is a regulatory superpower and works as the setter of standards for the entire world. Wanting the EU gone is a smooth brain take.
It just became more complicated as the VVD has just stated that they will not work with PVV, but instead they’ll join the opposition. However, they have said that they will not vote against new laws. Crazy😂
Saying the Netherlands has gone “Right” is kind of wrong, for the longest time the MP and the most influential party has been the VVD which is a right-winged Liberal party. (Liberalism meaning freedom for the rich). The PVV is more middle compared to the VVD, yet people keep saying the Netherlands have gone “right” because people are only focused on Geert Wilders’ opinions on Immigration.
And on religion. And gender. And ADHD meds. And any type of equality initiatives
Everything the isn’t PSYCHO LEFT is always called Far right.
Well done! Thanks for the analysis.
Not everyone that disagrees with the left is a hard right person. I’m so sick of that term.
When evil thugs try to fatwa you into the dirt for half your lifetime, you're probably on the correct side of history.
Oh man I love the pronounciation on these names (Dutchie here).
Not hard right..damn right😂😂😂😂😂
Too little, too late.
Not at all chocking, totally expected.
I’m amazed that the Netherlands has been as right-leaning for as long as it has been. Just goes to show how little I know about European politics.
Not really, most Dutch people - including Wilders himself - are also SUPER surprised. We knew he had a chance of becoming the biggest, but NOBODY expected these margins...
We are mostly liberal and secular. Liberal does not mean 'the left', only in the USA.
We are mostly liberal and secular. Liberal does not mean 'the left', only in the USA.
Well, basically all the parties on the left (except the SP) are now focussing primarily on fighting culture wars with the far-right, while ignoring actual problems. The traditional leftist issues (social security, healthcare, equal opportunities, housing, etc.) have all been taken over by the center right parties VVD, CDA, NSC and BBB. So why would people who've always voted left because of those traditionally leftist issues vote for the same parties now?
Although this specific outcome is unique, in the past we have been quite right-leaning as a country yes. Though I have a feeling right-leaning has a different meaning here than it does in some other countries (notably the US). What I find funny is that in the US the right is very much against more socialist ideas, whereas here someone like Wilders (far right) wants to put more money into healthcare. The right moreso wants to invest more into things of dutch cultural and historical importance, from which these ideas are ingrained, whereas left-leaning parties want to make more sweeping changes (recently related to climate change)
So your president is Jimmy Page now, cool.