@Mostillist titans led the league in rushing attempts that season and ranked 6th in points allowed on defense while tannehill threw 21 tds to 14 picks. They also made it further in the playoffs with derrick henry than without him. Edit:titans ranked 25th in pass attempts that season
I still feel like the denying of RB's is really crazy. Modern NFL, yes, it's less needed as they are a lot more rotational. But even 15-20 years ago, a lot of teams couldn't survive without a 1000 yard rusher. Even with a shitty QB, they could do some great things. Saying Manning got Robbed of an MVP by running backs in like 2006 or 2012 is really really wrong. AP carried that sorry ass Vikings squad to a 10-6 record when their best QB was Christian Ponder, that's an unmatched category.
He also came back from a torn ACL injury and ran for fucking 2000 yards the following year, not to mention how he literally dragged that awful Vikings team to the playoffs himself in the final game of that season. There were probably better players in the NFL, but Adrian Peterson absolutely deserved to win that award, especially considering his only argument is that "RBs should never win over QBs".
Facts while i agree with Barry's opinion on rb's for the most part i think a clear exception is when a rb pretty much single handily carries an otherwise suspect offense to respectability for ap with christian ponder as his qb and defenses loaded up to stop him and still go and put up the numbers he did is easily mvp worthy
I feel like Barry's RB opinion is a bit of a gimmick at this point - he can't possibly look at multiple 2000 yard seasons, or Faulk going for 2000+ from scrimmage, and think those players weren't having an impact on their teams.
The disrespect for AP has to stop. That man almost broke the all-time rushing record after coming of an ACL and MCL injury that should've ENDED HIS CAREER.
Drew Brees is prolly the most valuable player to never win mvp, but Jerry rice never won it, no lineman ever has, moss didn’t, no all time defenders except pave and Lawrence, etc.
He 100% deserves way worse for lying so much about bountygate. Mr. “I would say if there were bounties because I’m a QB and I care about league safety” can’t stop carrying water for the evil saints org and the government.
bc the “eye test “ is unbelievably biased, for an easy to see example look at how pat mahomes would get G L A Z E D for tough throws no doubt but the announcers to follow and a narrative to be “we’ve never seen a more gifted QB in the league” while people like Arod and drew exist. the eye test is a test in bias not in contribution to a teams overall success
Imagine the level of stupid you gotta reach to convince yourself that a 26 PASSING TD season is somehow better and more valuable than a RB who scored 31 total TDs 😂
I’ve said it a bunch of times before but Barry’s videos prove QBs will win no matter what 🥴 Lamar’s recent season still would’ve won over 2006 LT imo based on the biased coverage of QBs in the last 10 years
@@Nooneagrees LT also had over 2300 total yards that season, so just saying "ah, all he did was just punch it in at the goal line" feels especially lazy lmao
Calling Peyton Manning more valuable while showing that both Ladanian Tomlinson and Shaun Alexander rushed for the same number of touchdowns for their teams as he threw, 31. And I’m sure they had less fumbles than he had interceptions.
Peyton had more combined passing and rushing TDs in 06, with 35, and had double the yardage both seasons. Who would you rather have Alexander or Peyton Fucking Manning?
@@beam5655 31 touchdowns in 350 touches or 31 touchdowns in 650? I’m just saying, the QB position wasn’t as valuable as you make it out to be until pretty recently. If you think Phillip Rivers was more valuable to the chargers than LT, you might have more CTE than either of them
@@bciwanted2 LT was not more valuable to the chargers than Peyton was to the Colts. I'm not talking about Rivers. Peyton had DOUBLE the yardage and more TDs.
It's not necessarily comparing one to the other, but thinking of what you could replace them with. Take Shaun Alexander off that Seahawks team, and you could probably get a decent running back (this was the mid 00s, they were everywhere) who puts up 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns. Replacing Peyton Manning with a 'decent' QB is much harder, cause there's generally only 20 reliable QBs in the league at any one time and there's only one or two that can throw for 35 touchdowns and not make lots of mistakes. Most RBs aren't marching you down the field by rushing 12 times in a row. Peyton could pass 12 times in a row and get you a TD. However, saying all of that, record breaking seasons deserve to be rewarded and I have no qualms with either of those players winning over what were pretty standard Manning seasons.
Based on the definition of the NBA MVP it always goes 1) best story 2) best player on best team 3) actual MVP Points deducted for repeat winners, points given for first time winners Based on that media definition, pretty much every MVP deserved the exact MVPs they got
@@Jiffy0 which is why using MVP's to rank players doesn't mean as much as people think, it's media members voting on storyline/likeability first and foremost. Need to look at every MVP with context
It’s still insane to me that Lamar Jackson almost won the unanimous MVP again with the season he had. You can make the argument he deserved the MVP, but in no way, shape or form did he deserved it unanimously. Brock should have gotten some votes at least. Hell CJ Stroud had an argument before he went down.
@@gabrieldodds9081 I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to win I’m just saying the fact that he was so close to winning unanimously even though it was a tight race until that game that happened at the end of the year is insane. Also, one week should erase the rest of the entire year. He could win but there was no point where he was 49 to 1 good.
Here's one to debate: Johnny Unitas over Sonny Jurgensen in 1967. Sonny set the NFL passing yards record and led the league with 31 TDs (a lot back then). He also led the league in pass attempts (and completions) while also leading the league in interception rate (when it was harder to avoid picks). He was also second in sack rate (although those pre-1982 sack stats are a bit spotty). Unitas had a better completion percentage and was second in yards, but threw only 20 TDs with the same number of INTs (16). However, Jurgensen went 5-6-1 with a defense that ranked 11th in points allowed, while Unitas went 11-1 with a defense that was 2nd in points allowed. Food for thought.
That's what I like about Baseball over the NFL. Outside of Starting Pitchers, which have their own MVP category with other pitchers, no position is generally more important or just a slam dunk for MVP every year. One year it will be a Right Fielder, then a Shortstop, then a Catcher. I like it that way. Everyone has a chance. Obviously some positions get more attention such as Shortstop, but it can still be won by everyone. But tbh, Catcher is the most important. A bad catcher will ruin your defense.
Why does everyone pretend like Embiid didn’t also have an incredible regular season? They were both incredible, the tie breaker was a combination of voter’s fatigue, Kendrick Perkins, and the desire to see Embiid win at least one MVP. Now if MVP was a playoff award, then you might have a point.
@@NathanMoon-tz2jp well Embiid also got better as the season went on. His MVP push came a little later. He was the best player in the NBA for the last 2 months of the regular season
@@sprawlz6466jokic averaged a 25 point triple double on 70% ts with every advanced analytic suggesting he was in fact the best player in the league so yea it was highway robbery
Ehhh, idk, Lawrence Taylor was pretty freaking valuable. Dude was good enough to carry the giants to two super bowls. The guy single handedly made sacks a recorded statistic cause he got so many
obviously harden isn’t better than lebron james. literally nobody is except for jordan(maybe idk). but, like cmon, harden obviously deserved mvp that year. he lead the rockets to the first seed in the much stronger(at the time) western conference with 65 wins, while lebron only led the cavs to the 4th seed in the much weaker(at the time) eastern conference with 50 wins. also, harden literally had a higher WS and WS/48.
Kobe did not get robbed of 2006 MVP is was Dirk. Dirk led the Mavs to 60 wins being the only all star on the team and led the league in WS, WS/48, OWS, PER, OBPM. Was 2nd BPM. 3rd in VORP.
He's only comparing directly with the MVP winner. They are "could've won" MVPs. Kobe could have won that one, even though Barry thinks Lebron should've. So basically could've vs should've, Barry is talking about could've.
They just need to make a Cy Young award for QBs already so they can start giving MVPs to the players who actually are the best players in the league that year not just by default the hottest QB w/the rare RB.
So Manning deserved it over Faulk because Faulk missed 2 games, but Manning also missed 2 games when he shared mvp with McNair but that doesn’t matter?
Barry don’t worry about the harden slander at the end. 2018 Lebron took an actual bottom 4 team and made them a 4 seed. He also led harden in every statistical total that season, points rebounds assists steals and blocks. Lebron was probably robbed of it in that year, yes
@@ianstratton there's been so many MVPs in that should've been unanimous that I honestly don't give a shit about whether they were unanimous or not. Shaq's should've been, but so should've some of Wilt's, Kareem's, Bird's, and Jordan's.
Nash completely turned the Suns around from a sub-30 win team into a top Western Conference contender with 60 win seasons, and he was a walking double double on incredible efficiency who would also give you a steal a game. While individual performance is most important, I do still think that team success and impact on winning should factor in for MVP, just less than it actually is. Iverson could score more points than anyone while also stealing the ball more than anyone, but he was also worth 4 turnovers a game and had horrible efficiency on some of the highest usage in NBA history. Both of them were good enough to win MVP, but Shaq was so much more dominant in 2001 than AI than LeBron or Shaq or Kobe were in 2005 over Nash
@@beam5655 You can't really say some of Wilt's or Bird's MVPs should have been unanimous. Wilt stuffed the stat sheet greater than anyone else but had a losing playstyle and wasn't liked by teammates or many other people. He could bring a team 50-60 wins but would crumble, and he showed he could never truly bring a team success. Pair that with playing in the same league as the greatest winner in NBA history in Bill Russell and the Laker Wings who made the finals almost every year Elgin and the Logo as well as the Big O always having dominant seasons, and there's no real argument for him to win unanimously. Same for Bird, who definitely deserved his 3 MVPs, but was never by far the most dominant player in the league while Moses, Magic, and MJ were having all-time great seasons. Kareem should've won maybe 3 more MVPs, but definitely should have had 1971 unanimous if the older players weren't so jealous of him. And of course Jordan is either #1 or #2 all time depending on what you believe makes someone greater and deserved a few more MVPs (funnily enough Malone robbed him in 97 and Jordan took the 98 MVP when Malone deserved it a bit more), but there were only 1-2 seasons where MJ really should've won Unanimous. A Unanimous MVP is a mix between an absolutely legendary season that breaks records or absolutely dominates statistically and in terms of wins, and a league slightly weaker or less competitive than other years. MJ had many legendary seasons, but there were always other MVP heavyweights throughout his career such as Magic and Bird, Hakeem, Malone, Barkley, DRob, and Shaq aside from 1992 (Drexler, DRob, and Malone divvied up the other 15 votes) and 1996 (Penny, Hakeem, and Malone took away the last 4 votes)
Barry tbh the bias for LeBron really came out with you saying he deserved it over Derrick Rose. That’s just not accurate, was LeBron better than Rose? Sure that’s not really a debate, but it’s disingenuous to say that LeBron was more “valuable” when I can guarantee you if LeBron and Rose don’t play in 2011, 10 times out of 10 Miami would have the better record over Chicago. Miami won less games and got swept in that regular season vs Chicago solely because of Derrick Rose while he didn’t have any All star teammates compared to LeBron’s 2.
As a saints fan mahomes more than deserved the 2018 mvp. 2006 and 2009 were the Brees he was the best qb, I think LT keeps 06 tho. Barry saying manning should have 06 is absolute blasphemy tho, Brees balled that year and was 1st team AP for a reason
As a Saints fan Mahomes deserved it in 2018. The voters love the QB on the team with the best record, so Brees got the most MVP votes that year, but 2009 he should have won, and I would have voted him over Rodgers in 2011. I would have also gave it to him in 2008.
I understand hating James Harden, but he won that MVP in 2018 fair and square. I'll give him that one season and that's it. I hope he never wins a ring or gets to the All Star Game ever again, inshallah.
I feel like you could have a 4th category for players who deservedly did not win MVP but were good enough to win it nearly any other year like Brees in 2011.
Just remember, anytime Barry mentions Brady, he’s going to hate him. And anytime he mentions Lebron it’s all just praise. So take any takes on these 2 players with loads of salt
Marshall Faulk put up over 2,000 yards and 26 tds a record at the time in JUST 14 games..if you remember back in that time Marshall Faulk was reffered to the best player in the nfl. Marahall Faulk willed the rams to the playoffs that year. In a must win game in new Orleans he put the team on his back with 236 yards and 3 tds. How is that not mvp?
"QB's are more important than running backs" is true but not nearly to the extent that it is now. Many teams pre 2015 made or broke seasons based on the running game.
Except lebron never beat Drose a single time that season on a team that won the east with 60+ wins. It’s one of the more weak contrarian takes re: mvp robberies. Eager to hear the nfl ones though haha let’s see if running backs are a sticking point
It's a shame bro usually has solid takes across all sports even if i don't agree with them all but when it comes to lebron all objectivity and logic goes out the window
@taysonjatum2209 Stats don't change team success, D Rose may have had worse averages but he brought his team to the 1st seed despite key players being injured, it's called most valuable player, not best player of the year
@@taysonjatum2209lebron was also on a super team with a second option who put up stats similar to the mvp winner that year despite all that rose still led his team to 60+ wins and the first seed in the east over miami to make it more clear the man LEBRON JAMES himself when asked acknowledged rose deserved mvp this whole rose 2011 nonsense is one of the biggest non arguments in sports right now
Barry you've convinced me on a lot of things, but in no universe will you convince me that Derrick Rose didn't deserve the MVP over LeBron James in the 2010-2011 NBA Season.
Rose literally won more games without 2 hall of famers on his squad and 2 starters in Boozer and Noah both missing significant games. There isn’t an argument for Lebron it’s literally just lunacy.
@@shubtakesdubs5395 Dude that team was good because of their defense. In fact those years he was injured the Bulls still managed to be a top 5 team in the east. When LeBron left the Heat missed the playoffs.
Factst this man rose dragged a team with his two best big men hurt for most of the season and his best player being luol deng to 60+ wins and the number one seed in the west and this is my thing with bron fans he is sayin all this about rose's season but we all know if the roles were reversed and they gave the mvp to rose even tho he played on a stacked team while vron carried a trash roster to relevance the argument would be completely different for example if kd got mvp or lebron in 2018 levron fans would have rioted
@@taysonjatum2209while yes those bulls were always good defensively they were only elite and seen as contenders when rose was the engine to the offense the bulls staying competitive after rose's injuries is really more a testament to the east being weak and the emergence of joachim noah and jimmy vutler more than anything also once bro. Left the heat they had to deal with a bunch of injuries if bosh and wade are healthy that heat team is a playoff team in the east
Rose definitely had an MVP-worthy season, but he just so happened to be playing during Prime LeBron's reign of terror over the league. 2011 LeBron averaged 27/8/7 with 2.2 stocks on 51/33/76 or 59 TS% while leading the league in PER for the 4th straight time with 27.3, BPM for the 4th straight time with 8.1, VORP for the 6th straight time with 7.8, as well as leading the NBA in Offensive Win Shares, Total Win Shares, and Win Shares/48 for the 3rd consecutive season and being 3rd in Defensive Win Shares. He was 2nd in points and ppg, 12th in assists and apg, top 10 in steals and spg, 20th in TS%, 16th in Defensive rating, led the league in FG made despite not being top 5 in FG attempts, and was 4th in 2pt FGs despite not even being top 10 in 2pt FG attempts. 2011 Rose averaged 25/4/8 with 1.6 stocks on 45/33/86 or 55 TS% while being 9th in PER, 3rd in BPM, tied with LeBron for the most Offensive BPM, and 2nd in VORP. He was 5th in Win Shares, 6th in Offensive and 8th in Defensive Win Shares, and 10th in Win Shares/48. Rose was also 3rd in FG attempts while being 2nd in FG misses, and also 2nd in Usage (all behind Kobe lol). Rose had a MVP-contending season, but LeBron was still historically great while having his numbers reduced due to learning a new system and no longer needing to will his team to victory (which he still did often in the following years), as well as struggling to decide Leadership with Wade for a good part of the season. Objectively, LeBron was just a far better player than Rose or MVP runner-up Dwight in 2011, and was the greatest in the world. However, what truly won Rose the narrative. Not only did people hate LeBron for the decision and the NBA/NBA fans refuse to believe anyone who has star teammates should never win MVP unlike the NFL and MLB, but by the expectations that they had set and the expectations that had been set for them, they underperformed. 58 wins and struggling during the first half of the season to build team chemistry, leadership, and momentum when the bar was 65+ or even 70 wins just wasn't enough. Rose led a young upstart Bulls who nearly upset the Garnett-less Celtics in 2009 to 62 wins and the 1st Seed, and the "Youngest MVP ever" storyline worked heavily in his favor. I understand and respect why Rose somewhat deservedly won the MVP, but in a revote where the reqs for what an MVP are normalized, LeBron should win.
Same some for Savannah. Harden and DRose both deserved those MVPs Harden could arguably have 3 or 4 himself. The Bulls that year were not projected to win as many games at they did and the fact Boozer and I think Noah were injured and still had more wins than the Big 3. If the shoe was on the opposite foot and he was in DRose position you would make that argument 10 times out if 10
Yup and this is my gripe wit vron fans avout 2011 if the roles were reversed and Bron carried a sorry roster to relevance putting up great numbers while doing so onlt to lose the mvp to another player putting up great stats on a super team bron fans would probably still be complaining till this day hell he mentioned harden in 2018 had KD been given that mvp in 2018 over vron lbj fans woyld have rioted
@@johndavis9321right with that logic LeBron shouldn’t win MVPs for the Heat since they’re a superteam. That’s the whole point of having an overpowered team. It brings the best version out of you bc it makes your job at its easiest. If anything all this shows is why LeBron should’ve had less MVPs than he has now
This is a goofy take I know, but I genuinely think Brees not getting MVP love was partly height bias. I think because he was shorter and looked a little smaller in his pads, he got some conscious or subconscious side eye from the old school types like Elway who like big, statuesque QBs.
No. As a Saints fan, it's because of Sean Payton. Everyone knew he was great, but because of the pass happy offense he was in, people would constantly discredit his numbers as they assumed the system he was in was boosting his stats. Only after he retired and everyone saw how you couldn't just plug anyone into that offense and have them throw for 5000 yards is when we saw everyone suddenly say how "underrated" Brees was.
@@jamesburgess2kI think it’s a combination of what you said, the historically awful defenses holding his record back, and the fact that the Saints just don’t get much attention from the media even when doing well. As a falcons fan I rate Brees a lot higher than most people and I’m sure most fans of NFC south teams that had to see him twice a year in his prime would as well.
@@fica1137 I dont think it's much of an argument to suggest the overall quality of the league now is significantly higher than it was in the 90s, but it also works both ways in that everyone should have access to better players. It just means that now you cant really get away with a top heavy roster like you could in the 90s. The bigger thing for me rather than the plumbers argument is how the salary cap spike impacted the league in the late 10s. It should never have been feasible for Durant to join a 73 win team with multiple max players. Can you imagine if in 96 if Shaq just joined the Bulls.
@@JoeHardacre if Bulls owner was willing to spend more like Warriors do every season on luxury tax Shaq joining Bulls would have been feasible because Pippen and Jordan were grossly underpaid until Jordan got the biggest contract in history in 1997. Warriors were in similar situation with Curry who was injured before signing his contract. He was 60th best paid player in 2015 season while Jordan was 16th in 1995 season
@@fica1137 the warriors barely paid any luxury tax in 2017, compared to now, because the salary cap spike was so big. Cleveland actually had the biggest.
Shaq deserves ZERO MVPs. I cannot respect a player with no jumpshot who doesn’t get called for half the fouls he commits. How can you criticize Brady and praise Shaq?
Not to be a hater, but the second after you called QB the most important player on the field, you talk about Brees' 5000 yards 08 season in which the Saints ended 8-8.
@@machoboys8884 Ok but isn't that kinda better? They get a potentially better draft pick and the outcome is the same. They don't make the playoffs either way.
The argument of LT not winning that MVP because QB is more important is so dumb i cant tell if its satire. LT that year was on the best team in the NFL surrounded by not a single reciever with a thousand yards. Hell LT by himself had half of the recieving yards of antonio gates the number 1 pass catcher of that team. The chargers without LT that year would have been abysmal and thats literally what an MVP means. Its most valuable player not most valuable QB. Today's league makes sense for that thought process due to the running game being nonexistent for the most part outside of henry and mccaffrey, in 2006 however running the ball was as important as passing
I feel like LT with 1800yds 28td is def deserving of his mvp over manning as good as his season was. Won't really mention the AP disrespect cause I'm prolly biased being an OU fan😂 Still enjoy the content tho, keep it coming
Idk about some of these takes. I feel like we gotta see this the way JJ Watt said it: there’s the “best player”, and then there’s the “most valuable player”. D Rose in 2011 is 100% more valuable to his team than LeBron was to his. All we gotta see is what happened the year after to see how valuable he really was. Sorry but facts are facts.
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seeing barry showing actual brady highlights feels so wrong
Barry slandering runningbacks? We are so back
Barry Slanders, famous lions running back and RUclips sensation
Thank god a kicker didn’t win MVP or Barry would’ve blown up
OJ was such a killer RB. So sad he did. At least his Nicole Brown’s murderer is no longer on the streets though
@@crunchytoast6007 look up the 1982 season lol
@@jamesburgess2k thank god Dan Marino only entered the league a year after lol. Would’ve said a rookie Marino was robbed
There is nothing you can say to convince me Ryan Tannehill is more valuable than Derrick Henry
His passing stats were elite so no.
@@kelamullah1999but was that cause of tannehill or because the threat of henry forced teams to commit to stopping the run
they made the playoffs with the first seed with henry hurt in 2021 tannehill gets injured in 2022 and they under .500
@@Mostillist pretty much my take
@Mostillist titans led the league in rushing attempts that season and ranked 6th in points allowed on defense while tannehill threw 21 tds to 14 picks. They also made it further in the playoffs with derrick henry than without him.
Edit:titans ranked 25th in pass attempts that season
I still feel like the denying of RB's is really crazy.
Modern NFL, yes, it's less needed as they are a lot more rotational. But even 15-20 years ago, a lot of teams couldn't survive without a 1000 yard rusher. Even with a shitty QB, they could do some great things. Saying Manning got Robbed of an MVP by running backs in like 2006 or 2012 is really really wrong. AP carried that sorry ass Vikings squad to a 10-6 record when their best QB was Christian Ponder, that's an unmatched category.
He also came back from a torn ACL injury and ran for fucking 2000 yards the following year, not to mention how he literally dragged that awful Vikings team to the playoffs himself in the final game of that season.
There were probably better players in the NFL, but Adrian Peterson absolutely deserved to win that award, especially considering his only argument is that "RBs should never win over QBs".
Facts while i agree with Barry's opinion on rb's for the most part i think a clear exception is when a rb pretty much single handily carries an otherwise suspect offense to respectability for ap with christian ponder as his qb and defenses loaded up to stop him and still go and put up the numbers he did is easily mvp worthy
I feel like Barry's RB opinion is a bit of a gimmick at this point - he can't possibly look at multiple 2000 yard seasons, or Faulk going for 2000+ from scrimmage, and think those players weren't having an impact on their teams.
The disrespect for AP has to stop. That man almost broke the all-time rushing record after coming of an ACL and MCL injury that should've ENDED HIS CAREER.
And his QB was CHRISTIAN PONDER
Running backs don't matter. Life is unfair
Comeback player of the year, should've been for sure.
Manning was coming off literal neck surgeries (5 i think) and took his team to the playoffs. Absolute robbery.
Glad someone said it
Barry keeps going back and forth on whether the MVP is the better player or the most valuable player.
Barry basically could've just said "i think a QB should win the MVP every single year" then got right into NBA
EXACTLY
Future QB Video Ideas
-Is Flacco elite?
-Is Big Ben a Hall of Famer?
-Why Kurt Warner didn’t win more rings?
- Nick Foles, the One Hit Wonder
I’d call Nick Foles the three hit wonder
No question that Big Ben’s a hall of famer… come on now 😂
A flacco retrospective would feed families
@@RonBurgundy412 if he is then eli manning is
@@tpvn8377Big Ben was way better than Eli😂
peyton over LT in 2006 is the dumbest argument lol, we went 14-2 and he carried the entire offense
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Sorry bro, but Jerry rice never won mvp, so Brees is nowhere close to the best nfl player to never win it
That would have to be real talk tbh. Good post
Drew Brees is prolly the most valuable player to never win mvp, but Jerry rice never won it, no lineman ever has, moss didn’t, no all time defenders except pave and Lawrence, etc.
i hate when mf like you say “no where close” when it is close lmao
Brees was elite and arguably top 10 all time at the MOST VALUABLE POSITION
@@KingE34hey hey, JJ watt won it and hes an all time defender fs. Could have been the all time defender but he didnt have the longevity
@@gavinmcclister6185JJ Watt didn’t win MVP
Brees never getting MVP is a modern tragedy
pretty dumb. saints got robbed multiple times in the playoffs too. and i’m a bucs fan.
@@Buttington_Headerson2018. 2011 and 2017 a bad defense robbed us from advancing and 2010 and 2019
He 100% deserves way worse for lying so much about bountygate. Mr. “I would say if there were bounties because I’m a QB and I care about league safety” can’t stop carrying water for the evil saints org and the government.
The best quarterback to never win an MVP is either Brees or Roger Staubach.
@@fortynights1513 Brees easy
Speaking of trophies, GIVE REGGIE BUSH HIS HEISMAN BACK
OJ TOO!
Hey Yes Man, I told you to take out the trash!! You need to stop injecting robo marijuanas it’s making you a lackadaisical chump.
@@isambo400dude he’s dead
@@matthewhyman2208i know lets ask his ex-wife Nicole Brown
@@matthewhyman2208thankfully Nicole Brown’s killer is too
Barry doesn't give a frig about the eye test
bc the “eye test “ is unbelievably biased, for an easy to see example look at how pat mahomes would get G L A Z E D for tough throws no doubt but the announcers to follow and a narrative to be “we’ve never seen a more gifted QB in the league” while people like Arod and drew exist. the eye test is a test in bias not in contribution to a teams overall success
Imagine the level of stupid you gotta reach to convince yourself that a 26 PASSING TD season is somehow better and more valuable than a RB who scored 31 total TDs 😂
I immediately stopped watching when he said that lmao
Exactly..credibility is non existent.
I’ve said it a bunch of times before but Barry’s videos prove QBs will win no matter what 🥴 Lamar’s recent season still would’ve won over 2006 LT imo based on the biased coverage of QBs in the last 10 years
Bc most of RB tds come from the one yard line
@@Nooneagrees LT also had over 2300 total yards that season, so just saying "ah, all he did was just punch it in at the goal line" feels especially lazy lmao
Can we all acknowledge how beautiful Kareems sky hook is, just perfect.
The biggest MVP robbery was the 1982 season where kicker Mark Moseley beat out Dan Fouts
Yep. Undisputed biggest robbery, nothing comes close.
Exactly. Without the strike, due to YPG, TD, and INT AVG, Fouts would have thrown 5100 YDS, 38 TD, and 22 INT.
I don’t know about that RB take Barry, OJ had a pretty *HUGE* impact on the NFL in the mid-90’s - and he wasn’t even playing!
Calling Peyton Manning more valuable while showing that both Ladanian Tomlinson and Shaun Alexander rushed for the same number of touchdowns for their teams as he threw, 31. And I’m sure they had less fumbles than he had interceptions.
Peyton had more combined passing and rushing TDs in 06, with 35, and had double the yardage both seasons. Who would you rather have Alexander or Peyton Fucking Manning?
@@beam5655 31 touchdowns in 350 touches or 31 touchdowns in 650? I’m just saying, the QB position wasn’t as valuable as you make it out to be until pretty recently. If you think Phillip Rivers was more valuable to the chargers than LT, you might have more CTE than either of them
@@bciwanted2 LT was not more valuable to the chargers than Peyton was to the Colts. I'm not talking about Rivers. Peyton had DOUBLE the yardage and more TDs.
It's not necessarily comparing one to the other, but thinking of what you could replace them with. Take Shaun Alexander off that Seahawks team, and you could probably get a decent running back (this was the mid 00s, they were everywhere) who puts up 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Replacing Peyton Manning with a 'decent' QB is much harder, cause there's generally only 20 reliable QBs in the league at any one time and there's only one or two that can throw for 35 touchdowns and not make lots of mistakes.
Most RBs aren't marching you down the field by rushing 12 times in a row. Peyton could pass 12 times in a row and get you a TD.
However, saying all of that, record breaking seasons deserve to be rewarded and I have no qualms with either of those players winning over what were pretty standard Manning seasons.
As a Steelers fan, I’m contractually obligated to state that TJ Watt was in fact, robbed of the DPOY
Which year?
Based on the definition of the NBA MVP it always goes
1) best story
2) best player on best team
3) actual MVP
Points deducted for repeat winners, points given for first time winners
Based on that media definition, pretty much every MVP deserved the exact MVPs they got
Bingo! it's the exact same way in the NFL. I'm just surprised most fans haven't realized that these awards have always been based on media narratives
@@Jiffy0 which is why using MVP's to rank players doesn't mean as much as people think, it's media members voting on storyline/likeability first and foremost. Need to look at every MVP with context
It’s still insane to me that Lamar Jackson almost won the unanimous MVP again with the season he had. You can make the argument he deserved the MVP, but in no way, shape or form did he deserved it unanimously. Brock should have gotten some votes at least. Hell CJ Stroud had an argument before he went down.
What swayed this year's was that when Jackson and Purdy faced off, Lamar went off, and Purdy played like dogshit
Josh Allen and CMC were 100x more valuable to their team than Lamar was
It's the QB of the year award these days unfortunately
@@gabrieldodds9081 I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to win I’m just saying the fact that he was so close to winning unanimously even though it was a tight race until that game that happened at the end of the year is insane. Also, one week should erase the rest of the entire year. He could win but there was no point where he was 49 to 1 good.
@@AppleGuy256not even that. It’s the QB with the best record award
The year elway won MVP he had 19TD to 12INTs. Jerry rice had 23TD in 12 games and over 1000 yards easily the biggest robbery
Heisman robberies: 2018 Tua Tagovailoa. Only lost because he would play half a game, go up by 50 and let backup Qb Jalen Hurts get some playing time.
I hate bama with every ounce of my being but Tua 1000000% should have won the Heisman that year.
Not even a chance Brees deserved MVP over LT… he did deserve it over Peyton in 09 tho
you sort of did Magic indirectly when compared to MJ. But Bird would have been an interesting one, he won 3 MVP's but finished 2nd 4 times!
Here's one to debate: Johnny Unitas over Sonny Jurgensen in 1967. Sonny set the NFL passing yards record and led the league with 31 TDs (a lot back then). He also led the league in pass attempts (and completions) while also leading the league in interception rate (when it was harder to avoid picks). He was also second in sack rate (although those pre-1982 sack stats are a bit spotty). Unitas had a better completion percentage and was second in yards, but threw only 20 TDs with the same number of INTs (16).
However, Jurgensen went 5-6-1 with a defense that ranked 11th in points allowed, while Unitas went 11-1 with a defense that was 2nd in points allowed.
Food for thought.
That's what I like about Baseball over the NFL. Outside of Starting Pitchers, which have their own MVP category with other pitchers, no position is generally more important or just a slam dunk for MVP every year. One year it will be a Right Fielder, then a Shortstop, then a Catcher. I like it that way. Everyone has a chance. Obviously some positions get more attention such as Shortstop, but it can still be won by everyone. But tbh, Catcher is the most important. A bad catcher will ruin your defense.
Embiid winning over Jokic was highway robbery where tf is that comparison
Why does everyone pretend like Embiid didn’t also have an incredible regular season? They were both incredible, the tie breaker was a combination of voter’s fatigue, Kendrick Perkins, and the desire to see Embiid win at least one MVP.
Now if MVP was a playoff award, then you might have a point.
@@sprawlz6466Kendrick Perkins is the reason why Embiid won. Jokic was the clear favorite betting wise until that segment with Perkins came out
It wasn’t that much of highway robbery that was actually mad close I’m ngl
@@NathanMoon-tz2jp well Embiid also got better as the season went on. His MVP push came a little later. He was the best player in the NBA for the last 2 months of the regular season
@@sprawlz6466jokic averaged a 25 point triple double on 70% ts with every advanced analytic suggesting he was in fact the best player in the league so yea it was highway robbery
My glorious Lebonbon got robbed of MVP every year since the nba started even before being born
Ehhh, idk, Lawrence Taylor was pretty freaking valuable. Dude was good enough to carry the giants to two super bowls. The guy single handedly made sacks a recorded statistic cause he got so many
bro be sounding slow sometimes idk what he be talking about
That's where I also disagreed with him and I'm positive that those 23 interceptions held Marino back from winning MVP
NFL segment just confirms we need a quarterback award so anyone else can get the mvp
Barry is finally back to nba content
Barry showing actual Tom Brady highlights? He must be very sick, the real McCockiner would never!!
obviously harden isn’t better than lebron james. literally nobody is except for jordan(maybe idk). but, like cmon, harden obviously deserved mvp that year. he lead the rockets to the first seed in the much stronger(at the time) western conference with 65 wins, while lebron only led the cavs to the 4th seed in the much weaker(at the time) eastern conference with 50 wins. also, harden literally had a higher WS and WS/48.
he was literally, statistically the more value player too lmao
Kobe did not get robbed of 2006 MVP is was Dirk. Dirk led the Mavs to 60 wins being the only all star on the team and led the league in WS, WS/48, OWS, PER, OBPM. Was 2nd BPM. 3rd in VORP.
Kobe stans are the worst.
Respect for dirk but leading kwame brown, smush parker, and luke walton to 47-35
35 ppg
And first team all defense >>>>>>>>>>> dirk
He's only comparing directly with the MVP winner. They are "could've won" MVPs. Kobe could have won that one, even though Barry thinks Lebron should've. So basically could've vs should've, Barry is talking about could've.
@eyeconqueror1185 making a argument for our fav player is bad? Just agree to disagree brother
@@rjmacready9828Was Odom on the 06 team?
In Hardens year, he was definitely the most valuable player 😂
Lebron was insane in the playoffs but that rockets team was dominant in the West while the Cavs struggled all year in a bad Eastern Conference
Yah basically he tried his hardest to give lebron more MVPs than Jordan cause he’s a massive lebron fan
Harden should've won at least 2 MVPs if not 3
4 tbh@@willsmath 15, 17, 18, and 19
@@willsmathOver Westbrick easily, but Giannis was playing DPOY caliber defense while also being a beast on offense.
And 11 FTA is ugly
They just need to make a Cy Young award for QBs already so they can start giving MVPs to the players who actually are the best players in the league that year not just by default the hottest QB w/the rare RB.
So Manning deserved it over Faulk because Faulk missed 2 games, but Manning also missed 2 games when he shared mvp with McNair but that doesn’t matter?
I feel like you could include 2016 for Rodgers and Brady
I’d love to see this type of video with other awards. Especially DPOY
In 2009 Manning didn’t even really play the last 2 games. They were 14-0. He definitely deserved MVP. 8-8 season disqualifies you from MVP.
I dunno I think there are exceptions. That 8-8 team legitimately had like a bottom 5 single season defense of all time.
Barry don’t worry about the harden slander at the end. 2018 Lebron took an actual bottom 4 team and made them a 4 seed. He also led harden in every statistical total that season, points rebounds assists steals and blocks. Lebron was probably robbed of it in that year, yes
JJ Watt was robbed of an MVP in 2014
The AI mvp being more of a robbery to Shaq than Steve Nash winning an mvp over Shaq has to be one the hottest of hot takes
i think a lot of people agree with this
Nash over Kobe, Lebron, or Dirk is still the biggest robbery ever.
@@ianstratton there's been so many MVPs in that should've been unanimous that I honestly don't give a shit about whether they were unanimous or not. Shaq's should've been, but so should've some of Wilt's, Kareem's, Bird's, and Jordan's.
Nash completely turned the Suns around from a sub-30 win team into a top Western Conference contender with 60 win seasons, and he was a walking double double on incredible efficiency who would also give you a steal a game. While individual performance is most important, I do still think that team success and impact on winning should factor in for MVP, just less than it actually is. Iverson could score more points than anyone while also stealing the ball more than anyone, but he was also worth 4 turnovers a game and had horrible efficiency on some of the highest usage in NBA history. Both of them were good enough to win MVP, but Shaq was so much more dominant in 2001 than AI than LeBron or Shaq or Kobe were in 2005 over Nash
@@beam5655 You can't really say some of Wilt's or Bird's MVPs should have been unanimous. Wilt stuffed the stat sheet greater than anyone else but had a losing playstyle and wasn't liked by teammates or many other people. He could bring a team 50-60 wins but would crumble, and he showed he could never truly bring a team success. Pair that with playing in the same league as the greatest winner in NBA history in Bill Russell and the Laker Wings who made the finals almost every year Elgin and the Logo as well as the Big O always having dominant seasons, and there's no real argument for him to win unanimously.
Same for Bird, who definitely deserved his 3 MVPs, but was never by far the most dominant player in the league while Moses, Magic, and MJ were having all-time great seasons. Kareem should've won maybe 3 more MVPs, but definitely should have had 1971 unanimous if the older players weren't so jealous of him. And of course Jordan is either #1 or #2 all time depending on what you believe makes someone greater and deserved a few more MVPs (funnily enough Malone robbed him in 97 and Jordan took the 98 MVP when Malone deserved it a bit more), but there were only 1-2 seasons where MJ really should've won Unanimous. A Unanimous MVP is a mix between an absolutely legendary season that breaks records or absolutely dominates statistically and in terms of wins, and a league slightly weaker or less competitive than other years. MJ had many legendary seasons, but there were always other MVP heavyweights throughout his career such as Magic and Bird, Hakeem, Malone, Barkley, DRob, and Shaq aside from 1992 (Drexler, DRob, and Malone divvied up the other 15 votes) and 1996 (Penny, Hakeem, and Malone took away the last 4 votes)
Barry tbh the bias for LeBron really came out with you saying he deserved it over Derrick Rose. That’s just not accurate, was LeBron better than Rose? Sure that’s not really a debate, but it’s disingenuous to say that LeBron was more “valuable” when I can guarantee you if LeBron and Rose don’t play in 2011, 10 times out of 10 Miami would have the better record over Chicago. Miami won less games and got swept in that regular season vs Chicago solely because of Derrick Rose while he didn’t have any All star teammates compared to LeBron’s 2.
Brees should have 4 rings from 2009, 2011, 2017 and 2018 and 3 MVPs from 2009, 2011 and 2018 and was robbed because of his defense
As a saints fan mahomes more than deserved the 2018 mvp. 2006 and 2009 were the Brees he was the best qb, I think LT keeps 06 tho. Barry saying manning should have 06 is absolute blasphemy tho, Brees balled that year and was 1st team AP for a reason
As a Saints fan Mahomes deserved it in 2018. The voters love the QB on the team with the best record, so Brees got the most MVP votes that year, but 2009 he should have won, and I would have voted him over Rodgers in 2011. I would have also gave it to him in 2008.
In no world did Brees deserve MVP in 2018 over Mahomes 😂
@@julianbell9161 He said "because of the Saints defense"
Also that 2011 ring is a Kyle Williams away from not happening
@@sportsfanatic123 I think the Saints would have beat the Giants in a home NFC Championship in 2011, but we lost to the 49ers
I understand hating James Harden, but he won that MVP in 2018 fair and square. I'll give him that one season and that's it.
I hope he never wins a ring or gets to the All Star Game ever again, inshallah.
Literally, no one says that kobe was robbed of 5 mvp's. 99% of us agree that he should have 2, maybe 3 if you're pushing it
Only 1 MVP for Shaq? Didn't know that.
I feel like you could have a 4th category for players who deservedly did not win MVP but were good enough to win it nearly any other year like Brees in 2011.
Brees is so unlucky.
People think MVP is about stats, it’s not, it’s about how valuable a player is to their team, Rodgers lead the Packers to a 15-1 record, brees didn’t
The word “valuable” is so subjective they I don’t think there’s a common understanding amongst fans who truly deserves the award.
Love watching this channel as a Brady/Kobe fan😂
Barry should do top 10 greatest coaches of all time or top 10 greatest teams for football and basketball
me: he better no bring up nash
video: immediately brings up nash
Respecting the grind Barry! You may not see this but just know we’re proud of you and your hard work. Theres a reason you have this many subs
Video idea: the benefits of having a gunslinger vs a pocket passer. Basically Josh Allen vs Joe burrow types of qb.
A gunslinger can also be a pocket passer tho look at peyton manning or dan Marino
i think im tired of this guy
Just remember, anytime Barry mentions Brady, he’s going to hate him. And anytime he mentions Lebron it’s all just praise. So take any takes on these 2 players with loads of salt
lol Barry part of the undervaluing of RBs
Cooper Kupp should have won over Rodgers in 2021.
Marshall Faulk put up over 2,000 yards and 26 tds a record at the time in JUST 14 games..if you remember back in that time Marshall Faulk was reffered to the best player in the nfl. Marahall Faulk willed the rams to the playoffs that year. In a must win game in new Orleans he put the team on his back with 236 yards and 3 tds. How is that not mvp?
Then they lost to the Saints in the game that actually mattered the next week
@@someperson3883 not his fault tho we all know if hakim didn't fumble the punt return the rams would've went down and scored and win
@@someperson3883 and Peyton Manning didn't do shit in that playoffs either..and isn't MVP a regular season award?
"QB's are more important than running backs" is true but not nearly to the extent that it is now. Many teams pre 2015 made or broke seasons based on the running game.
Except lebron never beat Drose a single time that season on a team that won the east with 60+ wins. It’s one of the more weak contrarian takes re: mvp robberies. Eager to hear the nfl ones though haha let’s see if running backs are a sticking point
How is there no argument kareem didn’t deserve some of those mvps when he literally missed the playoffs
Jj watt getting snubbed in 2014 was a travesty, I still think about it till this day
I love how bro was trying to be logical and chill for everyone else then for LeBron he just nut himself and went full fanboy Lmao
It's a shame bro usually has solid takes across all sports even if i don't agree with them all but when it comes to lebron all objectivity and logic goes out the window
I love how hard you fought to give Lebron more MVPs than Jordan, elite narrative pushing is necessary when the stats don't do it
D Rose better no one who slanders him ever mentions the fact he was like 3 years removed from high school and Bron was at his athletic peak
Worst MVP in modern NBA history. LeBron easily deserved it. He wiped the floor with him statistically and even in advanced metrics.
@taysonjatum2209 Stats don't change team success, D Rose may have had worse averages but he brought his team to the 1st seed despite key players being injured, it's called most valuable player, not best player of the year
@@taysonjatum2209lebron was also on a super team with a second option who put up stats similar to the mvp winner that year despite all that rose still led his team to 60+ wins and the first seed in the east over miami to make it more clear the man LEBRON JAMES himself when asked acknowledged rose deserved mvp this whole rose 2011 nonsense is one of the biggest non arguments in sports right now
Barry you've convinced me on a lot of things, but in no universe will you convince me that Derrick Rose didn't deserve the MVP over LeBron James in the 2010-2011 NBA Season.
Rose literally won more games without 2 hall of famers on his squad and 2 starters in Boozer and Noah both missing significant games. There isn’t an argument for Lebron it’s literally just lunacy.
@@shubtakesdubs5395 Dude that team was good because of their defense. In fact those years he was injured the Bulls still managed to be a top 5 team in the east. When LeBron left the Heat missed the playoffs.
Factst this man rose dragged a team with his two best big men hurt for most of the season and his best player being luol deng to 60+ wins and the number one seed in the west and this is my thing with bron fans he is sayin all this about rose's season but we all know if the roles were reversed and they gave the mvp to rose even tho he played on a stacked team while vron carried a trash roster to relevance the argument would be completely different for example if kd got mvp or lebron in 2018 levron fans would have rioted
@@taysonjatum2209while yes those bulls were always good defensively they were only elite and seen as contenders when rose was the engine to the offense the bulls staying competitive after rose's injuries is really more a testament to the east being weak and the emergence of joachim noah and jimmy vutler more than anything also once bro. Left the heat they had to deal with a bunch of injuries if bosh and wade are healthy that heat team is a playoff team in the east
Rose definitely had an MVP-worthy season, but he just so happened to be playing during Prime LeBron's reign of terror over the league. 2011 LeBron averaged 27/8/7 with 2.2 stocks on 51/33/76 or 59 TS% while leading the league in PER for the 4th straight time with 27.3, BPM for the 4th straight time with 8.1, VORP for the 6th straight time with 7.8, as well as leading the NBA in Offensive Win Shares, Total Win Shares, and Win Shares/48 for the 3rd consecutive season and being 3rd in Defensive Win Shares. He was 2nd in points and ppg, 12th in assists and apg, top 10 in steals and spg, 20th in TS%, 16th in Defensive rating, led the league in FG made despite not being top 5 in FG attempts, and was 4th in 2pt FGs despite not even being top 10 in 2pt FG attempts.
2011 Rose averaged 25/4/8 with 1.6 stocks on 45/33/86 or 55 TS% while being 9th in PER, 3rd in BPM, tied with LeBron for the most Offensive BPM, and 2nd in VORP. He was 5th in Win Shares, 6th in Offensive and 8th in Defensive Win Shares, and 10th in Win Shares/48. Rose was also 3rd in FG attempts while being 2nd in FG misses, and also 2nd in Usage (all behind Kobe lol). Rose had a MVP-contending season, but LeBron was still historically great while having his numbers reduced due to learning a new system and no longer needing to will his team to victory (which he still did often in the following years), as well as struggling to decide Leadership with Wade for a good part of the season.
Objectively, LeBron was just a far better player than Rose or MVP runner-up Dwight in 2011, and was the greatest in the world. However, what truly won Rose the narrative. Not only did people hate LeBron for the decision and the NBA/NBA fans refuse to believe anyone who has star teammates should never win MVP unlike the NFL and MLB, but by the expectations that they had set and the expectations that had been set for them, they underperformed. 58 wins and struggling during the first half of the season to build team chemistry, leadership, and momentum when the bar was 65+ or even 70 wins just wasn't enough. Rose led a young upstart Bulls who nearly upset the Garnett-less Celtics in 2009 to 62 wins and the 1st Seed, and the "Youngest MVP ever" storyline worked heavily in his favor. I understand and respect why Rose somewhat deservedly won the MVP, but in a revote where the reqs for what an MVP are normalized, LeBron should win.
Of course the last RB to win a MVP was over Brady the media really hated him and he was robbed 2021
Coming out hot with a nuclear fire take. Immediately lost me with the LT take
Same some for Savannah. Harden and DRose both deserved those MVPs Harden could arguably have 3 or 4 himself. The Bulls that year were not projected to win as many games at they did and the fact Boozer and I think Noah were injured and still had more wins than the Big 3. If the shoe was on the opposite foot and he was in DRose position you would make that argument 10 times out if 10
Yup and this is my gripe wit vron fans avout 2011 if the roles were reversed and Bron carried a sorry roster to relevance putting up great numbers while doing so onlt to lose the mvp to another player putting up great stats on a super team bron fans would probably still be complaining till this day hell he mentioned harden in 2018 had KD been given that mvp in 2018 over vron lbj fans woyld have rioted
@@johndavis9321right with that logic LeBron shouldn’t win MVPs for the Heat since they’re a superteam. That’s the whole point of having an overpowered team. It brings the best version out of you bc it makes your job at its easiest. If anything all this shows is why LeBron should’ve had less MVPs than he has now
@@vishtakes all facts fam
This is a goofy take I know, but I genuinely think Brees not getting MVP love was partly height bias. I think because he was shorter and looked a little smaller in his pads, he got some conscious or subconscious side eye from the old school types like Elway who like big, statuesque QBs.
Interesting... How tall are you?
No. As a Saints fan, it's because of Sean Payton. Everyone knew he was great, but because of the pass happy offense he was in, people would constantly discredit his numbers as they assumed the system he was in was boosting his stats.
Only after he retired and everyone saw how you couldn't just plug anyone into that offense and have them throw for 5000 yards is when we saw everyone suddenly say how "underrated" Brees was.
@@jamesburgess2kI think it’s a combination of what you said, the historically awful defenses holding his record back, and the fact that the Saints just don’t get much attention from the media even when doing well. As a falcons fan I rate Brees a lot higher than most people and I’m sure most fans of NFC south teams that had to see him twice a year in his prime would as well.
JJ Watts MVP snub angers me to this day.
Rose deserved his MVP.
Not in my opinion
Brace yourself for the LeBron segment 🙄🙄🙄
How does Barry not see Lesbron is the biggest grifter of all?
Woulda been interesting to see how Wilt would look with this criteria.
The lebron glaze is crazy
I guess they should just rename the MVP to the MVQB because Barry says only QBs should win it. Smh
Brady definitely should’ve gotten MVP in 2021 let’s be forreal lol
Guys I think this guy is a LeBron fan…
I mean he did say MJ should have like 9 or 10 MVPs as well
@@JoeHardacreBut says Jordan played against plumbers
@@fica1137 I dont think it's much of an argument to suggest the overall quality of the league now is significantly higher than it was in the 90s, but it also works both ways in that everyone should have access to better players. It just means that now you cant really get away with a top heavy roster like you could in the 90s.
The bigger thing for me rather than the plumbers argument is how the salary cap spike impacted the league in the late 10s. It should never have been feasible for Durant to join a 73 win team with multiple max players. Can you imagine if in 96 if Shaq just joined the Bulls.
@@JoeHardacre if Bulls owner was willing to spend more like Warriors do every season on luxury tax Shaq joining Bulls would have been feasible because Pippen and Jordan were grossly underpaid until Jordan got the biggest contract in history in 1997.
Warriors were in similar situation with Curry who was injured before signing his contract. He was 60th best paid player in 2015 season while Jordan was 16th in 1995 season
@@fica1137 the warriors barely paid any luxury tax in 2017, compared to now, because the salary cap spike was so big. Cleveland actually had the biggest.
Shaq deserves ZERO MVPs. I cannot respect a player with no jumpshot who doesn’t get called for half the fouls he commits. How can you criticize Brady and praise Shaq?
Kobe avg 30 pts 7reb and 2stl a game in 02-03 season yeah he definitely deserved more fucking mvps
Jokic got robbed last year, Should be 4 straight MVPs this year
Not to be a hater, but the second after you called QB the most important player on the field, you talk about Brees' 5000 yards 08 season in which the Saints ended 8-8.
Yeah replace him with a decent QB and they go 2-14
@@machoboys8884 Ok but isn't that kinda better? They get a potentially better draft pick and the outcome is the same. They don't make the playoffs either way.
@@theolihot crazy you think losing is better than trying to win
@@theolihotlol you just proved it yourself
another day another video underrating aaron rodgers' 2016 season
The argument of LT not winning that MVP because QB is more important is so dumb i cant tell if its satire. LT that year was on the best team in the NFL surrounded by not a single reciever with a thousand yards. Hell LT by himself had half of the recieving yards of antonio gates the number 1 pass catcher of that team. The chargers without LT that year would have been abysmal and thats literally what an MVP means. Its most valuable player not most valuable QB. Today's league makes sense for that thought process due to the running game being nonexistent for the most part outside of henry and mccaffrey, in 2006 however running the ball was as important as passing
I swear Rodger Goodell and the NFL hated Brees and the Saints.
Scottie pippen missed a lot of time in 1998, that's probably why MJ won it
Calling James Harden a grifter is hilarious but true.
Brees not winning in 09 was ridiculous
Lebron was playing MVP basketball in 2021 as well until he got injured by that terrorist Solomon Hill
I feel like LT with 1800yds 28td is def deserving of his mvp over manning as good as his season was. Won't really mention the AP disrespect cause I'm prolly biased being an OU fan😂 Still enjoy the content tho, keep it coming
Ah, off to a bad start, I see. Brees over LT? Nope. Still, love your channel.
It doesn’t always matter which is the most valuable position. Like are qb the only position allowed to win mvp?
Didn’t bron start that grifting shit with his flops he used to be super famous just for that right?
Idk about some of these takes. I feel like we gotta see this the way JJ Watt said it: there’s the “best player”, and then there’s the “most valuable player”. D Rose in 2011 is 100% more valuable to his team than LeBron was to his. All we gotta see is what happened the year after to see how valuable he really was. Sorry but facts are facts.
Whole lotta yappin in this vid
More vids like this please!