This is such a basic issue and shops need to be held accountable for parts cannon fails! If a shop cannot provide any proof or information to back up their parts replacement recommendations, then they have no business getting paid.
totally agree if they diagnose parts and it dont fix the problem they should put the original part back in and refund the customer as next time they will do the job correct or go out of bussiness and the shop that diagnoses correct with proof should get paid for a good price for a good job i let the customer test before payment
Back when I was working as a tech, I remember being criticized for replacing broken wire stays and connectors, doing my best to return whatever I was working on back to original config. I was also labeled slow by my bosses because of my attention to detail. But, I also had to fix most of everyone else's comebacks because my work was always done right. Sure I had comebacks, but not near the frequency as everyone else. One guy had comebacks every week, owner of shop had customers come back on his day off so I had to fix.
Well spoken I did the same things as a tech! If I was doing a brake job I would clean battery terminals and stuff like that while the hood was up! Also I would check the fluids and all that! It was stuff my Grandfather always taught me to do!
@@kevingriffin4123 That stuff made me a lot of customers. Including the ones that couldn't afford the work, I'd work out deals to space the work out over time, even let them buy their own parts just help people out. My philosophy was, "You take care of your customers, they will take care of you" And I stayed covered up because of that.
I’m fast and don’t have comebacks, I think you should think to yourself: “are we here to be hotshot techs or are we here to make a paycheck and go home?”
Great diagnosis and repair. You're not on a soapbox, I hate seeing stupid problems come into my shop that were caused by someone doing shoddy work on another repair. Love the videos. Mike
As a tech this kind of work infuriates me. The majority of the public already thinks we are all thieves or incompetent and this is why. When I finish a job, I like to step back and look at whatever I was working on and see if everything is in place and tight. We all make mistakes, but this is no mistake, it's just shoddy work and not having any pride in your work. I hope someone who watches this video will recognize the importance of putting everything back where it belongs.
We need more people like you guys who can actually use their brain and diagnose and find and fix the problem. There are way to many Parts Changers that call themselves mechanics. Hey, back in the day, I could work on my 64 Chevy or my 68 Dodge or my 73 and even my 77 Pontiac. And I did.... but this stuff today is way way way more complicated. About all I can do these days is brakes and oil changes. Thanks for doing it right.....
It is always a pleasure to watch competent people do diagnostic work. Unfortunately, the car repair business is filled with charlatans and liars that give the good guys a bad name too. I could write a book with the experiences i have had in my 42 years of owning vehicles. You have a new subscriber.
I was an old-school mechanic, and at age 68 I am still fixing all my cars and a select few friends and relatives automobiles. Just bought a directional scan tool last spring, I still enjoyed the hunt, you guys are very fortunate with the large screen to view the wiring diagrams. In my day we had to get in the back of the Mitchell or motor manuals! Keep up the great work.
There is a saying: If you want to be quick, take your time! - Just do it properly the first time instead of doing it twice. I like your philosophy! All the best for 2024 to you and your families from germany. 🎉
Fantastic diagnosis, this is where having people who care about their work and quality vs just making the easy buck and move on. You care about the customer and it shows. Thanks for the hard work!!
Great find! Don't know if your shop has them, but an overhead creeper is a God send when working on those raised vehicles. I ripped the back of my calf wide open, falling backwards off a raised truck, with the hood latch. Took 50 stitches to close it up. Thank goodness I didn't tear up my calf muscle, nick the bone, or got an infection. I could hear it ripping my skin open as I slowly slid down the front of the truck. The latch peeled every layer of my skin down like taking off a sock. While I was healing I ordered an overhead creeper, and will never get up inside one of those again without it.
Fantastic video, love seeing no part fixes or minimal part fixes for diags like these. One of my biggest rules I tell new guys is “the right tool for the right job.” If the last person just took a second to grab a fastener tool instead of cutters, I’m pretty sure this would’ve been all avoided, and taking pride in your work on top of it all! Can’t wait for the next one
I knew it! This happened to me. 40k miles, oil filter housing blew. Dealer replaced, and had these issues. I zeroed it down to the harness right where you show by moving it around. Dealer told me over and over, it's in my head. As a mailman, I depended on that jeep. Sold it at 170k moles dealing with these issues every day. Had a BT dongle to reset the codes daily so I could deliver my route.
Superb Diag! 100% agree what you've said! That is why I quit my job because the majority of shops don't care about those suggestions you've expressed....
Sherwood, this video about the ‘14 Jeep Wrangler was especially of interest to me since I own a ‘12 Chrysler 200 Touring convertible with the front wheel drive version of the Pentastar engine. As a DIYer I carefully replaced the original oil filter/oil cooler assembly with the updated Dorman aluminum housing four months ago in May ‘24 as of this writing. I was careful with the connectors and plastic harness ties to make sure I put everything back as close to the way I found it as possible. I’ve had no coolant or oil leaks and no trouble codes since doing the job. I enjoy doing things for my convertible and my background was in electronics before I retired in 2018. Nice video and I hope it helps others to do good work.
Good video and information. The real issue is that people who do work like that tend not to watch channels like yours to learn how to use proper procedures. Mechanics need to learn to slow down and become good then you become fast by learning how to do things right. One thing i can not stand is a comeback. If you have time to do it twice you have time to do it right the first time.
💯. Unfortunately, speed is worshipped while attention to detail is mocked. Ironically, they rely on the "slow" to bail their asses out on tricky diags.
This video shows you how professional these guys are. This is a top notch shop. They invented the phrase, test don't guess. Me being a decent DIY mechanic I can honestly say I wouldn't of figured that out. Great video as usual. He is very professional & never torches another person who worked previously on a vehicle. Everyone can learn a lot from this guy. He knows how to trouble shoot circuits with ease. Thanks for making these videos with your busy shop.
I am really enjoying your videos. I appreciate how meticulous and systematic you are in your diagnosis. I was a ground equipment mechanic in the Air Force and always trained my newbies to be professional and take pride in doing a job correctly. I would lose my mind when I heard someone say "that's close enough for government work". I got that from my dad, he taught me a lot about how you should approach a job. Keep up the great work and keep the videos coming. I have already learned a lot from them. I recently did a brake job on my wife's car and I had never thought about making sure the hubs are free of all rust and totally smooth. That will be part of my work plan from now on! Take care and thanks again!
Great video, I've been a car mechanic for close to 30 years now ( in the UK). I really like your work ethic. Although we all make mistakes at times (human error), there is no real excuse for sloppy/lazy repairs. This video shows a proper diagnostic process rather than just throwing expensive parts at a car and hoping to fix it! Keep up the good work with the channel 👍 Subscribed
I don't pretend to be a wizard in this trade, but, it always amazes me when you see something like this where, if the previous shop/techs had used alittle bit more deductive logic, and/or, possibly on the shop end, asked some more probing questions regarding service history, the issue and solution could have been gotten to without the need to fire expensive parts and repair at vehicle only to end up back at square one with crow to eat. "Has there been any work done to the vehicle recently?", "Is this a problem that pre-dates the last service work done to the vehicle?". Looking down the valley and finding that new oil filter/cooler assembly ought to have been the eureka moment for the previous guys to hinge their attention on. Great job, love the attention to the proper details and the way you guys approach your service and repairs!
Ran into a similar issue as yours with the same harness. The harness was saturated with oil from an oil cooler leak. They sell the harness for really cheap on some of the jeeps, like $30ish.
I havent heard their diag yet but my thought is powers and grounds that are common to all issues . And they didn’t replace a single part without i good diag. Thanks for sharing and asking everyone to think about what they do and how it effects things down the road.
Excellent troubleshooting. Digging deep to find the root cause. You kept looking and tracing through the wiring harness and BAM - found it. The Jeep owner will now have a quality repair and won't be back. "No call back" What you are doing is in sync with my Quality background. When product fails tests - "it's a quality issue" and production calls me into it to get to the root cause. Many quality tools to use - The 5 Whys?, What is / What isn't, Fishbone diagram, etc.. Many years of troubleshooting you get pretty good at it.
Guess: broken power or ground in the circuit that serves the various components throwing codes. Update: After 10 years of RUclips Tech I was in the ballpark! I notice that there is a small subset of mechanics who are willing to pop open wire looms to find breaks, shorts, and crusties.
Nice video. Someone didnt think about all codes and say no way all parts failed. You did great job of breaking down issue and finding common pwrs and grounds. Those wires going to oil psi sensor altered the 5 volt signal so other sensor faulted. As Always keep up the vids.
AWESOME approach and thought process many shops these days are part changers they do not even try to diagnose the car the proper way because they are very poorly educated and lack of knowledge on how to diagnose properly as always thanks for sharing.
It's unbelievable to me the sequence of events that brought this vehicle to you. Why can't any shop just use common sense? Come on man! Great Job guys!
I had an issue with a shop not fixing my problem with my heat in the middle of winter. They charged me almost $700 to replace my leaking heater core, which I was like bet, thanks for fixing that leak... but my heat is still ice cold on the driver side. It actually needed a blend door actuator (and a new blower motor, the old one was squeaky and wouldn't push very much air volume anymore). Needless to say the second round of repairs was done at another more competent shop. Woulda been you guys if I lived down in Georgia but I don't lol
I enjoy the scope videos! I wish every video had a scope in it. If you know how to use it proficiently it is an amazing diagnostic tool. Would love to see more in depth scope videos
As soon as you said what all the codes were, my mind went right to a 5v reference circuit issue. Obviously, most of those components are on a 5v circuit & they're almost always shared circuits. Anyone with just a little knowledge on electrical systems & some common sense should have realized that, before loading the very expensive parts cannon. Good job, as always!
Great video. When I saw all of those codes my first question was what did they all share in common. Seeing stuff like this and hearing about expensive parts being thrown at this without resolving the problem is disturbing to me as a customer because what is our recourse for all of these expensive unneeded parts.
Herendous! This video exemplifies the reason our industry has such a bad name and reputation. I personally have worked with, and continue to work with individuals who perform shaudy work just like you show in this video. I strive and take pride in professionalism just as I know you guys do. Those of us performing professional work end up working twice as hard in attempt to salvage our reputation and professional appearance . Usually pretty easy to spot the hacks! Thanks Sherwood for trying to keep proffesionalism alive. Take a lesson hacks. Great job again!
My made in Japan 2014 vehicle runs like a Swiss watch. It’s never had a problem. Runs perfect on original everything. Even on original ignition coils and mas airflow sensor. It’s only had a new battery or two. Jeeps are crap today like all American/Stellantis cars.
I never condemn another shop for the work they do, I have no way of knowing the specifics of that job, that tech or whatever was happening that day for them… their work speaks for itself. It’s very difficult to criticize someone else without coming across like a condescending D bag yourself. I appreciate your videos and you do a great job of explaining and encouraging others to do better without preaching. Keep up the great work!
We have a rule in our shops that we never speak badly of another shop. I'm hopeful that this video shows the importance of quality workmanship without seeming like I was talking about another shop. Thanks!
great video , i get it , im always fixing someone elses bad work , and its usually something dumb like a loose ground , bad connection ,! basics , put it back the way you found it !!!
This specific concern could take 8 hours to diagnose if you have never seen it before. The jumper wire harness isn't easily accessible and you have to really tug on it and know what you are pulling/pushing on to duplicate the concern. You could send the vehicle off after 100 miles of test driving and not have the code come back. The first time I seen that issue it took me dam near 8 hours just chipping away at the issue.
Great job gentlemen!! One comment regarding moving suspected wiring to re-create an electrical performance issue. In cases like this one where there are metal conductors coming into contact with another metal conductor or where there is a break in a wire that is not completely severed, the following should be considered! A nonconductive (corrosion layer) layer in the wiring that is misbehaving can be temporarily disturbed/restored by harness movement. Normally there are not many opportunities to recreate an issue like this one before the problem is solved for the short term! The issue will return if the harness is allowed to remain undisturbed in the right environment (temp/humidity)1 Unfortunately this adds to diagnosing time. I have seen this issue develop in brand new vehicles fresh off the production line!!
Debugging is not easy, needs special mindset. These videos help DIYer like me , thanks for sharing. How to get wiring diagram of specific cars?(for DIYers not looking for paid subscriptions) .
Another good video. I'm dealing with a similar issue. At our shop, currently. Have a 19 Silverado. Keeps throwing 3 trans codes. Generic trans code & high & low circuit voltage on same accumulator valve circuit. Figured it had to be wiring issue Found TSB'S about main engine/trans harness rubbing near PCM & suspension & causing issues. One of the main connectors is broken, at tab that secures it to a bracket so harness just flops around, like you mentioned.. There's other evidence, tabs not bolted down, head bolts look turned, etc.., of someone moving the harness out of the way & not resecuring it properly. Got it in today, hooked up a loaded test light to the trans plug and started moving the harness around. Light never dimmed or went off, as expected, but now there are numerous engine, body & trans codes, just from wiggling & pushing harness & car won't turn completely off. I disconnected battery & will get back to it Tuesday.
As disheartening as it is for both consumer and the industry as a whole, there is a definite measure of satisfaction in solving these types of issues. It's like a treasure hunt with your "treasure map" wiring diagram providing the clues. You are correct about engineers' routing/attachment points and it takes so little time to add a zip tie or wire loom if needed, while you're in there. Good techs avoid collateral damage and take the necessary steps to minimize potential "down the road" problems regardless of the system being repaired. Sure, you could have scoped it for an added visual real time display of the dropout, but it was already "game on" after the initial scan established direction. Look forward to your videos, always educational and entertaining. Also think you are inspiring techs to step up their game, thank you for that. Al H.
If vehicle electrical connectors and the tie downs were standard thru out most of the vehicles sold in the US, it would make R&I's easier. Most of those broken connectors are sold only by purchasing the entire wire harness. Collision shops encounter the same problems too.
Awesome work guys, unfortunately i work for a parts cannon shop, i dont have a say in the matter, the boss calls the shots and makes us change shit for nothing even if i test the parts and prove that they are fine.
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 ya I'm seriously thinking about going somewhere else or on my own, just today I got into an argument with the boss about engine timing and he doesn't believe that engine compression would be affected if the timing was off, how the hell can you own a garage and not know the basics of an engine.
One of our largest shops, does super sloppy work like this. Most people that I've talked to, have to bring their cars back multiple times. I stopped going to them years ago. I thing the only reason they're still open and doing so well. Is that the are super friendly and their prices are low.
i hate some of those new clips and red locks as bad as the next person and sometimes even being careful they brake even when doing the correct way. i keep every harness i can get ahold of have a friend who crushes vehicles sometimes go out there and cut off sections to get connectors that are hard to find they have saved me several times
Nice job here. Wiring diagram and common sense diagnostic tactics to save the day! I have an intermittent fault code issue going on with my 99 Camry's 1mz v6 knock sensor, I'm guessing it's problem with the shielded wiring harness as the code had gone way after messing with it to check resistance 😅
This is most likely a result of flat rate and/or a shop owner/manager pushing techs to produce the bottom line at all costs. Until this is changed in the industry, this type of problem will continue.
That's a subject we could spend hours talking about. Our techs are all paid on some type of flat rate hybrid pay plan. We sit down and discuss what they are comfortable with and try to match it to what the shop needs. We want our techs to be very well taken care of and I don't think one pay plan works for everyone. At the end of the day though, no matter how you get paid, you should do quality work.
😊 Great job and method for finding problem I'm only a diy er I got enough since to realize all those components are not going fail all. at once which tells me it is something electrical if someone wants me to look at vehicle for an intermittenting problem I will ask them what have they had done recently sometimes I find it quickly
GREAT WORK ,,,,,,, I LOVED WORKING ON THE JEEPS I THINK THE CUSTOMER MUST STICK WITH A REPUTABLE SHOP AND DON'T DECIDE BY PRICE BECAUSE YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR . LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT BIG DIAGNOSTIC . WAS THAT HOW TO TRACE A SHORTED CIRCUIT ????
It’s sad most shops are book time and don’t give incentives for good work, only quick work. Quick work means guys are taking short cuts and sometimes they don’t pan out.
It's a shame that shops hire mechanics based on what they'll have to pay them vs their competence. On top of that many shops are afraid to pay/charge for diagnosis. They hand you a ticket and say I got you an hour, figure this intermittent problem out. With half the information on the paper work. To which a flat rate mechanic hears, I have 30-45 minutes to sort this out and make it a good ticket. Once any mechanic hears, "it happens over bumps," they should know it's likely a wiring or connection issue. But they likely have very little training or experience because they'll work for $10 less an hour. I've been doing this for over 40 years and it seems like it will never change. Maybe we can all change it eventually?
How is it a shop didn't see that all of these codes happened at the same time, therefore something must be in common. I'm a retired electrician that piped and pulled houses for over twenty years. Whenever there was an issue, we always went to the homerun box and worked out from there. On service calls the first thing I asked the homeowner was, what did you have installed recently and did problem start after that.
It occurred to me during this video that although cars have transitioned from mostly mechanical to significantly electronic, shops haven't. They understand mechanical systems and so replaced parts without much thought to what's happening electrically.
There’s 2 O rings for those Oil coolers 23mm and a 22.3mm got get right one or it will get damaged pushing it into block . Tried to give numbers but it got deleted
Did the customer have to pay the other shop for their parts cannon fails? They shouldn't have to pay for a misdiagnosis. My entire life I've had shops not take responsibility for diag fails. I finally found a mechanic that doesn't charge me for failed repairs and I've stayed with him for the last 6 years. I own a car lot and he gets all of my work. I know he wont try to sell me things I don't need.
What is that software package you have that shows the schematic and also the physical location of the harnesses? Seems like that tool would be invaluable these days.
He is using Alldata. I'm sure he is using the professional version but they also have DIY packages for different lengths of time. I have this version for several of my vehicles for a year at a time. It's pretty much a necessity if you want to diagnose these vehicles correctly.
It's Alldata. We have several service information services that we use as well as Chrysler OE. The reason we have so many is the aftermarket ones don't always have what we need.
I don't think a DIYer would cut those clamps. Some people just don't take any pride in their work. If an oil cooler needs replacing they will just do that not caring if the stuff up something else. What is particularly disappointing is they did not even do the oil cooler correctly - either not correctly torqued or mating surface not properly cleaned.
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Another must watch channel. Right up there with South Main Auto.
I started watching when they were a lot smaller and even then I could tell they'd be great.
South main is always #1 for me. Check out Dave’s auto center centerville channel. It’s really good.
Fantastic video. Drives me crazy when people don't take pride in workmanship and just hack & slash their way through the job.
This is such a basic issue and shops need to be held accountable for parts cannon fails! If a shop cannot provide any proof or information to back up their parts replacement recommendations, then they have no business getting paid.
100% agree.
Unfortunately shops are incentives to be parts changer. A tech that changed more parts usually make more money that the diagnostic guy.
totally agree if they diagnose parts and it dont fix the problem they should put the original part back in and refund the customer as next time they will do the job correct or go out of bussiness and the shop that diagnoses correct with proof should get paid for a good price for a good job i let the customer test before payment
I wish you guys were close to where I live by, because you would be the only shop I'd trust. Thank you for showing us your processes.
@@f-puppet for real, they are the next state over from me, i would definitely make the trip
Back when I was working as a tech, I remember being criticized for replacing broken wire stays and connectors, doing my best to return whatever I was working on back to original config. I was also labeled slow by my bosses because of my attention to detail. But, I also had to fix most of everyone else's comebacks because my work was always done right. Sure I had comebacks, but not near the frequency as everyone else. One guy had comebacks every week, owner of shop had customers come back on his day off so I had to fix.
Well spoken I did the same things as a tech! If I was doing a brake job I would clean battery terminals and stuff like that while the hood was up! Also I would check the fluids and all that! It was stuff my Grandfather always taught me to do!
@@kevingriffin4123 That stuff made me a lot of customers. Including the ones that couldn't afford the work, I'd work out deals to space the work out over time, even let them buy their own parts just help people out. My philosophy was, "You take care of your customers, they will take care of you" And I stayed covered up because of that.
I really hate when people prioritize speed over accuracy. And they shamelessly let you clean up their mess (comebacks).
I’m fast and don’t have comebacks, I think you should think to yourself: “are we here to be hotshot techs or are we here to make a paycheck and go home?”
Great diagnosis and repair. You're not on a soapbox, I hate seeing stupid problems come into my shop that were caused by someone doing shoddy work on another repair. Love the videos.
Mike
As a tech this kind of work infuriates me. The majority of the public already thinks we are all thieves or incompetent and this is why. When I finish a job, I like to step back and look at whatever I was working on and see if everything is in place and tight. We all make mistakes, but this is no mistake, it's just shoddy work and not having any pride in your work. I hope someone who watches this video will recognize the importance of putting everything back where it belongs.
Technician was thinking no one will never know i broke it and i don"t care.I will just throw more parts at the problem.
We need more people like you guys who can actually use their brain and diagnose and find and fix the problem. There are way to many Parts Changers that call themselves mechanics. Hey, back in the day, I could work on my 64 Chevy or my 68 Dodge or my 73 and even my 77 Pontiac. And I did.... but this stuff today is way way way more complicated. About all I can do these days is brakes and oil changes. Thanks for doing it right.....
It is always a pleasure to watch competent people do diagnostic work. Unfortunately, the car repair business is filled with charlatans and liars that give the good guys a bad name too. I could write a book with the experiences i have had in my 42 years of owning vehicles. You have a new subscriber.
I was an old-school mechanic, and at age 68 I am still fixing all my cars and a select few friends and relatives automobiles. Just bought a directional scan tool last spring, I still enjoyed the hunt, you guys are very fortunate with the large screen to view the wiring diagrams. In my day we had to get in the back of the Mitchell or motor manuals! Keep up the great work.
It takes intelligent people to create these diagnostic tools. The problem is finding a shop that has them and knows how and when to use them. Bravo!
There is a saying: If you want to be quick, take your time!
- Just do it properly the first time instead of doing it twice. I like your philosophy! All the best for 2024 to you and your families from germany. 🎉
Fantastic diagnosis, this is where having people who care about their work and quality vs just making the easy buck and move on. You care about the customer and it shows. Thanks for the hard work!!
It never ceases to amaze me how people can be so confident that the wiring is okay but the other electrical components can be replaced on a guess.
Great find! Don't know if your shop has them, but an overhead creeper is a God send when working on those raised vehicles. I ripped the back of my calf wide open, falling backwards off a raised truck, with the hood latch. Took 50 stitches to close it up. Thank goodness I didn't tear up my calf muscle, nick the bone, or got an infection. I could hear it ripping my skin open as I slowly slid down the front of the truck. The latch peeled every layer of my skin down like taking off a sock. While I was healing I ordered an overhead creeper, and will never get up inside one of those again without it.
Totally agree. We have one at each shop.
Fantastic video, love seeing no part fixes or minimal part fixes for diags like these. One of my biggest rules I tell new guys is “the right tool for the right job.” If the last person just took a second to grab a fastener tool instead of cutters, I’m pretty sure this would’ve been all avoided, and taking pride in your work on top of it all! Can’t wait for the next one
Solid diag. Feels great to find issues like this. Sad situation for the customer that this was caused by a previous repair.
I knew it! This happened to me. 40k miles, oil filter housing blew. Dealer replaced, and had these issues. I zeroed it down to the harness right where you show by moving it around. Dealer told me over and over, it's in my head. As a mailman, I depended on that jeep. Sold it at 170k moles dealing with these issues every day. Had a BT dongle to reset the codes daily so I could deliver my route.
Superb Diag! 100% agree what you've said! That is why I quit my job because the majority of shops don't care about those suggestions you've expressed....
Sherwood, this video about the ‘14 Jeep Wrangler was especially of interest to me since I own a ‘12 Chrysler 200 Touring convertible with the front wheel drive version of the Pentastar engine. As a DIYer I carefully replaced the original oil filter/oil cooler assembly with the updated Dorman aluminum housing four months ago in May ‘24 as of this writing. I was careful with the connectors and plastic harness ties to make sure I put everything back as close to the way I found it as possible. I’ve had no coolant or oil leaks and no trouble codes since doing the job. I enjoy doing things for my convertible and my background was in electronics before I retired in 2018. Nice video and I hope it helps others to do good work.
Good video and information. The real issue is that people who do work like that tend not to watch channels like yours to learn how to use proper procedures. Mechanics need to learn to slow down and become good then you become fast by learning how to do things right. One thing i can not stand is a comeback. If you have time to do it twice you have time to do it right the first time.
💯. Unfortunately, speed is worshipped while attention to detail is mocked. Ironically, they rely on the "slow" to bail their asses out on tricky diags.
This video shows you how professional these guys are. This is a top notch shop. They invented the phrase, test don't guess. Me being a decent DIY mechanic I can honestly say I wouldn't of figured that out. Great video as usual. He is very professional & never torches another person who worked previously on a vehicle. Everyone can learn a lot from this guy. He knows how to trouble shoot circuits with ease. Thanks for making these videos with your busy shop.
That’s what I’m talking about take pride in your work we see to much of this great work guys
I am really enjoying your videos. I appreciate how meticulous and systematic you are in your diagnosis. I was a ground equipment mechanic in the Air Force and always trained my newbies to be professional and take pride in doing a job correctly. I would lose my mind when I heard someone say "that's close enough for government work". I got that from my dad, he taught me a lot about how you should approach a job. Keep up the great work and keep the videos coming. I have already learned a lot from them. I recently did a brake job on my wife's car and I had never thought about making sure the hubs are free of all rust and totally smooth. That will be part of my work plan from now on! Take care and thanks again!
Great video, I've been a car mechanic for close to 30 years now ( in the UK). I really like your work ethic. Although we all make mistakes at times (human error), there is no real excuse for sloppy/lazy repairs. This video shows a proper diagnostic process rather than just throwing expensive parts at a car and hoping to fix it!
Keep up the good work with the channel 👍
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I don't pretend to be a wizard in this trade, but, it always amazes me when you see something like this where, if the previous shop/techs had used alittle bit more deductive logic, and/or, possibly on the shop end, asked some more probing questions regarding service history, the issue and solution could have been gotten to without the need to fire expensive parts and repair at vehicle only to end up back at square one with crow to eat.
"Has there been any work done to the vehicle recently?", "Is this a problem that pre-dates the last service work done to the vehicle?". Looking down the valley and finding that new oil filter/cooler assembly ought to have been the eureka moment for the previous guys to hinge their attention on.
Great job, love the attention to the proper details and the way you guys approach your service and repairs!
Ran into a similar issue as yours with the same harness. The harness was saturated with oil from an oil cooler leak. They sell the harness for really cheap on some of the jeeps, like $30ish.
I havent heard their diag yet but my thought is powers and grounds that are common to all issues . And they didn’t replace a single part without i good diag. Thanks for sharing and asking everyone to think about what they do and how it effects things down the road.
Excellent troubleshooting. Digging deep to find the root cause. You kept looking and tracing through the wiring harness and BAM - found it. The Jeep owner will now have a quality repair and won't be back. "No call back"
What you are doing is in sync with my Quality background. When product fails tests - "it's a quality issue" and production calls me into it to get to the root cause. Many quality tools to use - The 5 Whys?, What is / What isn't, Fishbone diagram, etc.. Many years of troubleshooting you get pretty good at it.
Interesting case study. I've seen a common theme of parts canon vs proper diagnosis throughout many repair channels. Well done!
Guess: broken power or ground in the circuit that serves the various components throwing codes.
Update: After 10 years of RUclips Tech I was in the ballpark!
I notice that there is a small subset of mechanics who are willing to pop open wire looms to find breaks, shorts, and crusties.
Thank you for your service and helping techs learn and improve making these videos. God Bless
Good diagnosis and a quality job! Thanks for sharing this.
Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos. I would be happy to sit in one of your classes. Good stuff.
loading up the parts cannon after hearing that an issue is intermittent and brought about by going over bumps is crazy work
Quality Work = Quality Content
Nice video. Someone didnt think about all codes and say no way all parts failed. You did great job of breaking down issue and finding common pwrs and grounds. Those wires going to oil psi sensor altered the 5 volt signal so other sensor faulted. As Always keep up the vids.
AWESOME approach and thought process many shops these days are part changers they do not even try to diagnose the car the proper way because they are very poorly educated and lack of knowledge on how to diagnose properly as always thanks for sharing.
It's unbelievable to me the sequence of events that brought this vehicle to you. Why can't any shop just use common sense? Come on man! Great Job guys!
I had an issue with a shop not fixing my problem with my heat in the middle of winter. They charged me almost $700 to replace my leaking heater core, which I was like bet, thanks for fixing that leak... but my heat is still ice cold on the driver side. It actually needed a blend door actuator (and a new blower motor, the old one was squeaky and wouldn't push very much air volume anymore). Needless to say the second round of repairs was done at another more competent shop. Woulda been you guys if I lived down in Georgia but I don't lol
Great video , Happy New Year to you all from across the pond
Great job the haters will always critizise but your doing it right enjoy watching your video
That’s why I always what repairs were done before the problem started good job for not throwing parts at it 😊
Another informative video. Thanks again for all that valuable info.
I enjoy the scope videos! I wish every video had a scope in it. If you know how to use it proficiently it is an amazing diagnostic tool. Would love to see more in depth scope videos
Good find. Luck never hurts.
As soon as you said what all the codes were, my mind went right to a 5v reference circuit issue. Obviously, most of those components are on a 5v circuit & they're almost always shared circuits. Anyone with just a little knowledge on electrical systems & some common sense should have realized that, before loading the very expensive parts cannon. Good job, as always!
Great video. When I saw all of those codes my first question was what did they all share in common. Seeing stuff like this and hearing about expensive parts being thrown at this without resolving the problem is disturbing to me as a customer because what is our recourse for all of these expensive unneeded parts.
Herendous! This video exemplifies the reason our industry has such a bad name and reputation. I personally have worked with, and continue to work with individuals who perform shaudy work just like you show in this video. I strive and take pride in professionalism just as I know you guys do. Those of us performing professional work end up working twice as hard in attempt to salvage our reputation and professional appearance . Usually pretty easy to spot the hacks!
Thanks Sherwood for trying to keep proffesionalism alive. Take a lesson hacks.
Great job again!
*horrendous
Tap and wiggle almost always works on intermittent problems for me. Tap the fuses and wiggle the harnesses and connectors.
My made in Japan 2014 vehicle runs like a Swiss watch. It’s never had a problem. Runs perfect on original everything. Even on original ignition coils and mas airflow sensor. It’s only had a new battery or two. Jeeps are crap today like all American/Stellantis cars.
Great video gentlemen. Thanks for sharing.
I never condemn another shop for the work they do, I have no way of knowing the specifics of that job, that tech or whatever was happening that day for them… their work speaks for itself. It’s very difficult to criticize someone else without coming across like a condescending D bag yourself. I appreciate your videos and you do a great job of explaining and encouraging others to do better without preaching. Keep up the great work!
We have a rule in our shops that we never speak badly of another shop. I'm hopeful that this video shows the importance of quality workmanship without seeming like I was talking about another shop. Thanks!
great video , i get it , im always fixing someone elses bad work , and its usually something dumb like a loose ground , bad connection ,! basics , put it back the way you found it !!!
This specific concern could take 8 hours to diagnose if you have never seen it before. The jumper wire harness isn't easily accessible and you have to really tug on it and know what you are pulling/pushing on to duplicate the concern. You could send the vehicle off after 100 miles of test driving and not have the code come back. The first time I seen that issue it took me dam near 8 hours just chipping away at the issue.
Great job gentlemen!! One comment regarding moving suspected wiring to re-create an electrical performance issue. In cases like this one where there are metal conductors coming into contact with another metal conductor or where there is a break in a wire that is not completely severed, the following should be considered! A nonconductive (corrosion layer) layer in the wiring that is misbehaving can be temporarily disturbed/restored by harness movement. Normally there are not many opportunities to recreate an issue like this one before the problem is solved for the short term! The issue will return if the harness is allowed to remain undisturbed in the right environment (temp/humidity)1 Unfortunately this adds to diagnosing time. I have seen this issue develop in brand new vehicles fresh off the production line!!
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great problem solving! love the vids
Debugging is not easy, needs special mindset. These videos help DIYer like me , thanks for sharing. How to get wiring diagram of specific cars?(for DIYers not looking for paid subscriptions) .
Another good video. I'm dealing with a similar issue. At our shop, currently. Have a 19 Silverado. Keeps throwing 3 trans codes. Generic trans code & high & low circuit voltage on same accumulator valve circuit. Figured it had to be wiring issue Found TSB'S about main engine/trans harness rubbing near PCM & suspension & causing issues. One of the main connectors is broken, at tab that secures it to a bracket so harness just flops around, like you mentioned.. There's other evidence, tabs not bolted down, head bolts look turned, etc.., of someone moving the harness out of the way & not resecuring it properly. Got it in today, hooked up a loaded test light to the trans plug and started moving the harness around. Light never dimmed or went off, as expected, but now there are numerous engine, body & trans codes, just from wiggling & pushing harness & car won't turn completely off. I disconnected battery & will get back to it Tuesday.
As disheartening as it is for both consumer and the industry as a whole, there is a definite measure of satisfaction in solving these types of issues. It's like a treasure hunt with your "treasure map" wiring diagram providing the clues. You are correct about engineers' routing/attachment points and it takes so little time to add a zip tie or wire loom if needed, while you're in there. Good techs avoid collateral damage and take the necessary steps to minimize potential "down the road" problems regardless of the system being repaired. Sure, you could have scoped it for an added visual real time display of the dropout, but it was already "game on" after the initial scan established direction. Look forward to your videos, always educational and entertaining. Also think you are inspiring techs to step up their game, thank you for that. Al H.
Good find and Chris is good at this stuff
Nice work
If vehicle electrical connectors and the tie downs were standard thru out most of the vehicles sold in the US, it would make R&I's easier. Most of those broken connectors are sold only by purchasing the entire wire harness. Collision shops encounter the same problems too.
Aftermarket wire harness clips will get you by in a pinch. With a little care they can be removed without breaking them.
Awesome work guys, unfortunately i work for a parts cannon shop, i dont have a say in the matter, the boss calls the shots and makes us change shit for nothing even if i test the parts and prove that they are fine.
That lack of a say in what I do is exactly what made me go solo.
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 ya I'm seriously thinking about going somewhere else or on my own, just today I got into an argument with the boss about engine timing and he doesn't believe that engine compression would be affected if the timing was off, how the hell can you own a garage and not know the basics of an engine.
One of our largest shops, does super sloppy work like this. Most people that I've talked to, have to bring their cars back multiple times. I stopped going to them years ago. I thing the only reason they're still open and doing so well. Is that the are super friendly and their prices are low.
Experience diagnosis master mi respect para ustes happy new year atodo amigo
i hate some of those new clips and red locks as bad as the next person and sometimes even being careful they brake even when doing the correct way. i keep every harness i can get ahold of have a friend who crushes vehicles sometimes go out there and cut off sections to get connectors that are hard to find they have saved me several times
Nice job here. Wiring diagram and common sense diagnostic tactics to save the day! I have an intermittent fault code issue going on with my 99 Camry's 1mz v6 knock sensor, I'm guessing it's problem with the shielded wiring harness as the code had gone way after messing with it to check resistance 😅
This is most likely a result of flat rate and/or a shop owner/manager pushing techs to produce the bottom line at all costs. Until this is changed in the industry, this type of problem will continue.
That's a subject we could spend hours talking about. Our techs are all paid on some type of flat rate hybrid pay plan. We sit down and discuss what they are comfortable with and try to match it to what the shop needs. We want our techs to be very well taken care of and I don't think one pay plan works for everyone. At the end of the day though, no matter how you get paid, you should do quality work.
This is most likely the result of someone who doesn't give a shit or have pride in their work!! Just saying...
once again an excellent video well done guys keep it up
There are parts changers and technician.I was thinking bad ground with all the intermittent codes.
Good find!
Great job!
😊 Great job and method for finding problem I'm only a diy er I got enough since to realize all those components are not going fail all. at once which tells me it is something electrical if someone wants me to look at vehicle for an intermittenting problem I will ask them what have they had done recently sometimes I find it quickly
GREAT WORK ,,,,,,, I LOVED WORKING ON THE JEEPS I THINK THE CUSTOMER MUST STICK WITH A REPUTABLE SHOP AND DON'T DECIDE BY PRICE BECAUSE YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR . LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT BIG DIAGNOSTIC . WAS THAT HOW TO TRACE A SHORTED CIRCUIT ????
That is a "Shorted circuit," and this shows one way to find it. It's not always this easy, and there are other techniques that may need to be used.
Perfect 👍 job
Very good job guy's.. happy new year 🎉
It’s sad most shops are book time and don’t give incentives for good work, only quick work. Quick work means guys are taking short cuts and sometimes they don’t pan out.
It's a shame that shops hire mechanics based on what they'll have to pay them vs their competence. On top of that many shops are afraid to pay/charge for diagnosis. They hand you a ticket and say I got you an hour, figure this intermittent problem out. With half the information on the paper work. To which a flat rate mechanic hears, I have 30-45 minutes to sort this out and make it a good ticket.
Once any mechanic hears, "it happens over bumps," they should know it's likely a wiring or connection issue. But they likely have very little training or experience because they'll work for $10 less an hour.
I've been doing this for over 40 years and it seems like it will never change. Maybe we can all change it eventually?
PCM stands for Parts Cannon Munition.
A lot of techs just don't have pride. Just cause u can do something doesn't mean you can do it well
How is it a shop didn't see that all of these codes happened at the same time, therefore something must be in common. I'm a retired electrician that piped and pulled houses for over twenty years. Whenever there was an issue, we always went to the homerun box and worked out from there. On service calls the first thing I asked the homeowner was, what did you have installed recently and did problem start after that.
When going to a shop always ask can you keep the old parts that have been replaced..
I'm a technician at Subaru and im dealing with the same thing right now lol just cant find the short to 5v
I immediately thought TIPM after bump but we shall see 👊🏻 or loose ground 👀
TIPM would be a common failure, but hopefully, you watched and saw what it was. 😊
@@theroyaltyautoservice yeah you guys did a great job
Self inflicted is probably very common issues
It occurred to me during this video that although cars have transitioned from mostly mechanical to significantly electronic, shops haven't. They understand mechanical systems and so replaced parts without much thought to what's happening electrically.
Good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There’s 2 O rings for those Oil coolers 23mm and a 22.3mm got get right one or it will get damaged pushing it into block . Tried to give numbers but it got deleted
See why some people use parts stores initial diagnosis to get an idea instead of letting a shop at $125 a hr throw parts at it ?
Did the customer have to pay the other shop for their parts cannon fails? They shouldn't have to pay for a misdiagnosis. My entire life I've had shops not take responsibility for diag fails. I finally found a mechanic that doesn't charge me for failed repairs and I've stayed with him for the last 6 years. I own a car lot and he gets all of my work. I know he wont try to sell me things I don't need.
Customer needs to file a small claims case for refund on that other worthless work & lawyer fees…
Hopefully the person or shop who installed the parts will.give a refund.
Really good video
What is that software package you have that shows the schematic and also the physical location of the harnesses? Seems like that tool would be invaluable these days.
He is using Alldata. I'm sure he is using the professional version but they also have DIY packages for different lengths of time. I have this version for several of my vehicles for a year at a time. It's pretty much a necessity if you want to diagnose these vehicles correctly.
It's Alldata. We have several service information services that we use as well as Chrysler OE. The reason we have so many is the aftermarket ones don't always have what we need.
What model is that Kingbolen scanner? Thanks.
Im curious what was found with the oil leak? The aluminum ones are supposed to be the fix
We resealed the oil filter/cooler assembly. It's all good now.
Surprised they didn’t sell an engine harness
Any help 10 colorado 3.7 no a/c high side almost 300 and low side runs almost to vacuum when rpm at 1500 I'm thinkn restriction
I don't think a DIYer would cut those clamps. Some people just don't take any pride in their work. If an oil cooler needs replacing they will just do that not caring if the stuff up something else. What is particularly disappointing is they did not even do the oil cooler correctly - either not correctly torqued or mating surface not properly cleaned.
I agree. I can't imagine someone doing that to their own car.
You never stated the millage. And i sure hope you replaced those 3 spark plugs under the intake if needed