At 350# I know that you can lift more than 1 bale with your TYM. Are your bales wrapped tight enough to come at 2 of them laying side by side such that you insert one tine in each bale? That would significantly reduce your total time to make a load. Thanks for sharing your experience.
That is the process I use as well. It works very well on large bales so as long as you can get the spear into the bales it will greatly speed up your transport time from the field. Blessings
75 bales x $25 = $1,875. Does that even cover the cost of a spear + diesel? Add the rental of the baler and gas to deliver and you are losing money for a lot of work. The economics seem tough unless you are feeding cattle. I appreciate this series Brock as I learned a lot.
If you ever haul other types of hay, keep in mind that weights may vary greatly. For example, a bale that is mostly fescue may weigh half what a bale of alfalfa may weigh, etc. Enjoying the videos!
Those and the larger 4x5 bales. also the larger square bales. The smaller bales that most people grew up around are still used quite a bit, but the hay guys in my area quit using them because of theft issues. People would literally go out into a field during the night with a pickup and fill it up with bales of hay because they were easily picked up by hand....not much of an issue now with those larger bale sizes that require equipment to pick them up. I kind of like those round bales when they use the net wrap, makes them a much easier bale to move around and less product loss, seems to wrap it more tight as well vs the string style balers...although the net wrap is more expensive, probably worth it in cost savings from product loss from moving/handling of the bales that's usually going to happen multiple times before the bale ever gets used.
That size baler wouldn't be too bad, and those bales wouldn't be too bad to handle, course you'd need the tractor or skid steer to do so, but they're more manageable than the much larger round bales....they are also going to be better than the mini bales, poor Brock would still be out there baling if he were trying to bale all that with a mini baler LOL. Those things are for people who wanna bale hay but have no use for doing so, more so of a hobby farmer that just wants a few bales for feeding their own small time farm/ranch animals, rather than trying to feed a herd of cattle for example.....those tiny bales would be cool, but dang the equipment is ridiculously expensive for no more than it is....maybe a couple acres at the most would be about all you'd wanna try with the mini baler, rake, etc. I think for the 10 acres you are talking about that baler would work fine for you as well, especially if you have smaller equipment that couldn't lift those larger 4x5 bales.
I think I would have figured out what my market was before going through the time and expense of this. In my area, small squares go for over $400 per ton for premium grass, even transported several hundred miles. Way better than your round bales. Round bales get discounted pretty heavily here. You can sell them to horse people who free choice hay, but there will be considerable wastage. Feeding out to cattle probably a better option, but most cattle folks want the bigger bales if they have even small herds because feeding equipment isn't commonly designed for these size bales, again for decent herd sizes. Quality of hay is a big issue and having been rained on is a big deduction. Horse people want green hay so anything but that makes it cow hay. Horses can eat it, but horse people don't like it. Go figure. Keep your mind on your business and your business on your mind. Great start to a decent business though.
Brock, I have a couple of questions as I look at hay as a possible on my farm. 1) how many acres was cut and bailed. 2) what type of grass or hay is it. 3) did you reseed the field. Great video, thank you.
I was thinking over $100 for those round bales, at least that's usually what they sell for around my area as well, and even higher in the winter when hay supplies run out people who still have hay to sell really bump up the prices....heck a small square bale is over $20 now if you are dumb enough to go to a feed store to get it....and a small bale of timothy grass hay is well over $50 a bale, and those are usually very small bales like a 2x2 bale or a 2x3 bale.
$20 a bail is fair. And then delivery needs to be a min. of a a $1 a mile and that only really covers fuel and maintenance. Most flat bed rates are around $3.14 a mile.
I didn’t see the entire video or read all the comments closely, but we used to sell out of the field for less $. Can you store/stack them at one end of your Quonset hut?
That's how most hay guys do, if you go out to the field and load it yourself its usually quite a bit cheaper. Back when we had horses we did that a lot....bucked hay for a few days to get enough to fill the barn for the winter....then I'd go back up and help the neighbor get the rest of his hay in, he'd always try to pay me but I'd tell him, no you gave us a great deal on our hay, I'm just here to help. I sure miss him. Occasionally if he was hauling a load of hay for someone else, he'd always stop by and drop off a load as he had a hay hauler so he'd just pickup out of the field and deliver that way usually....but he had great quality hay, and he never had anybody to help him, so it was great to be able to just about trade my labor for several tons of hay every year....I think we were at about $1-1.50 a bale back then as a result of me going up and helping him every cutting of hay....I just never got to go up in time to help cut, rake or bale, so I don't know hardly anything about that part of it LOL.
Hi Brock, looks good, and very interesting. Two questions, if the bales get rained on would this put you over the load limit of the trailer, and hopefully you charge a delivery charge, maybe per mile. Keep up the good work, sound like good decision making on your part.
Brock, general the quality of hay depends on the amount of leaves in it. Generally alfalfa is the best quality and grass is the poorest quality. I would believe your's would be high in grass and low in quality, your best market would probably be beef cattle. Your's would be at the lower end of the price range since there is not a lot of nutritional value, mainly filler. Just my opinion after raising cattle and horses for years and making lots of hay. Bob
Hell the old square bales are going for over $20 a bale....so a round bale should be at least double or triple as the round bales weigh about 3x more, and you have to have the equipment to handle them, so I'd say $75-100 a bale minimum, add on another $10-20 a bale for delivery, and whoever buys them better have a way to unload them off your trailer, otherwise that'll cost a bunch more money for you to have to haul your tractor, skid steer, or whatever you'd use to the customer's property to unload....this stuff gets expensive way too quickly to even keep up with LOL. The guys doing hay in my area switched to the big square bales or round bales due to issues with theft....people would just drive out in the fields during the night and get away with a truck load or trailer load of hay because the old square bales are light enough to handle by hand easily. Not so easy with those larger bales that require equipment to move.
Next time try to sell them the day after u r baling so u r not driving all over hauling back to your spot u r keeping them , they can bring their trailer all around hopfully .
Best way is to get repeat customers you can trust to be there to buy straight from the field. If you have to move them, store them til winter, then sell from your barn, the price must go up. They will hem and haw about it, but dont cut them no slack. They knew they had mouths to feed but did not get feed bought, irresponsible gotta cost em.
Never farmed.but worked on 100+ farms b n scrap metal guy.eqipment allwsys do n overweight lift.word 2 wise.i was head home.stoped on side road.old guy next new tractor.he haul n 2 round bales.his left wheel sheared off.he said do it 4 years.hert 2 look at
@@MrJwh3000 um 20years ago I stopped on side of secondary hyway.old farmer in New blue tractor.had 2 bales on his front forks and he snapped off front wheel assembly.long time ago I was very young but ya it looked real bad
Except for the fact that bale density is not the same from 1 baler to another look at weight then at cu.ft. of the bale. 3x3 is 350 lbs? and 21 cu.ft. 4x5 can weigh 900 to 1000 lbs and are 78 cu.ft. 4x6 like what kevin bought from you last year can weight 1400 to 1600 lbs and are 113 cuft and my 5x6 can weigh up to 1800 lbs are 141 cuft. want to sell it by weight or bale? All of this is real fun. I think if you find someone with animals that likes your bale size maybe you can sell them. I see a guy trying to sell lil bales like yours at Vinita for$5. Hay is cheap when there is plenty of it.
This whole process has been fascinating. Just watching an average Joe do it with small equipment and not some huge commercial farming operation
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At 350# I know that you can lift more than 1 bale with your TYM. Are your bales wrapped tight enough to come at 2 of them laying side by side such that you insert one tine in each bale? That would significantly reduce your total time to make a load. Thanks for sharing your experience.
That is the process I use as well. It works very well on large bales so as long as you can get the spear into the bales it will greatly speed up your transport time from the field. Blessings
75 bales x $25 = $1,875. Does that even cover the cost of a spear + diesel? Add the rental of the baler and gas to deliver and you are losing money for a lot of work. The economics seem tough unless you are feeding cattle. I appreciate this series Brock as I learned a lot.
Just gotta get the bovine out there eating them.
If you ever haul other types of hay, keep in mind that weights may vary greatly. For example, a bale that is mostly fescue may weigh half what a bale of alfalfa may weigh, etc. Enjoying the videos!
A very interesting series Brock, thanks.
Brock, We are in the process of manufacturing accumulators for these size bales. Just have not had time to test my proto type
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Those are good looking bales. I think the narket for these size bales will continue to grow
Those and the larger 4x5 bales. also the larger square bales. The smaller bales that most people grew up around are still used quite a bit, but the hay guys in my area quit using them because of theft issues. People would literally go out into a field during the night with a pickup and fill it up with bales of hay because they were easily picked up by hand....not much of an issue now with those larger bale sizes that require equipment to pick them up.
I kind of like those round bales when they use the net wrap, makes them a much easier bale to move around and less product loss, seems to wrap it more tight as well vs the string style balers...although the net wrap is more expensive, probably worth it in cost savings from product loss from moving/handling of the bales that's usually going to happen multiple times before the bale ever gets used.
Hi Brock, good job
This was interesting to see the process, strategy, math, etc. Great commentary!
Those small bales would be perfect for my little operation on 10 acres. SW Arkansas here
You da man Brock!
That size baler wouldn't be too bad, and those bales wouldn't be too bad to handle, course you'd need the tractor or skid steer to do so, but they're more manageable than the much larger round bales....they are also going to be better than the mini bales, poor Brock would still be out there baling if he were trying to bale all that with a mini baler LOL. Those things are for people who wanna bale hay but have no use for doing so, more so of a hobby farmer that just wants a few bales for feeding their own small time farm/ranch animals, rather than trying to feed a herd of cattle for example.....those tiny bales would be cool, but dang the equipment is ridiculously expensive for no more than it is....maybe a couple acres at the most would be about all you'd wanna try with the mini baler, rake, etc.
I think for the 10 acres you are talking about that baler would work fine for you as well, especially if you have smaller equipment that couldn't lift those larger 4x5 bales.
That actually looked really fun! My OCD would be a problem though...
2 Bales in the front 2 in the back ... 😁👍
I think I would have figured out what my market was before going through the time and expense of this. In my area, small squares go for over $400 per ton for premium grass, even transported several hundred miles. Way better than your round bales. Round bales get discounted pretty heavily here. You can sell them to horse people who free choice hay, but there will be considerable wastage. Feeding out to cattle probably a better option, but most cattle folks want the bigger bales if they have even small herds because feeding equipment isn't commonly designed for these size bales, again for decent herd sizes. Quality of hay is a big issue and having been rained on is a big deduction. Horse people want green hay so anything but that makes it cow hay. Horses can eat it, but horse people don't like it. Go figure. Keep your mind on your business and your business on your mind. Great start to a decent business though.
Brock, I have a couple of questions as I look at hay as a possible on my farm. 1) how many acres was cut and bailed. 2) what type of grass or hay is it. 3) did you reseed the field. Great video, thank you.
1500/1800 rolls here in sw Mississippi runs about $30-45 roll so I think $15-18 roll
Here in Texas 5 ft bails were well over $100 two years ago. Now they are under $100
Where in Tx. are they selling for under $100?
I just got on marketplace. East Texas. Look at Ben Wheeler and 100 mile radius. Almost all under 100.
@@helihoot East Texas has had good rainfall......hill country, not so much.
This year we had a ton of rain early and now we have been getting regular 1-1/2" rains.
I was thinking over $100 for those round bales, at least that's usually what they sell for around my area as well, and even higher in the winter when hay supplies run out people who still have hay to sell really bump up the prices....heck a small square bale is over $20 now if you are dumb enough to go to a feed store to get it....and a small bale of timothy grass hay is well over $50 a bale, and those are usually very small bales like a 2x2 bale or a 2x3 bale.
$20 a bail is fair. And then delivery needs to be a min. of a a $1 a mile and that only really covers fuel and maintenance. Most flat bed rates are around $3.14 a mile.
Any update on the bee hives Brock?
I didn’t see the entire video or read all the comments closely, but we used to sell out of the field for less $. Can you store/stack them at one end of your Quonset hut?
That's how most hay guys do, if you go out to the field and load it yourself its usually quite a bit cheaper. Back when we had horses we did that a lot....bucked hay for a few days to get enough to fill the barn for the winter....then I'd go back up and help the neighbor get the rest of his hay in, he'd always try to pay me but I'd tell him, no you gave us a great deal on our hay, I'm just here to help. I sure miss him. Occasionally if he was hauling a load of hay for someone else, he'd always stop by and drop off a load as he had a hay hauler so he'd just pickup out of the field and deliver that way usually....but he had great quality hay, and he never had anybody to help him, so it was great to be able to just about trade my labor for several tons of hay every year....I think we were at about $1-1.50 a bale back then as a result of me going up and helping him every cutting of hay....I just never got to go up in time to help cut, rake or bale, so I don't know hardly anything about that part of it LOL.
If you set two bales side by side, can you spear both bales and carry them?
Next time, use a square baler. I'd love to see how the different methods work, and which one you prefer.
Hi Brock, looks good, and very interesting. Two questions, if the bales get rained on would this put you over the load limit of the trailer, and hopefully you charge a delivery charge, maybe per mile. Keep up the good work, sound like good decision making on your part.
Brock, general the quality of hay depends on the amount of leaves in it. Generally alfalfa is the best quality and grass is the poorest quality. I would believe your's would be high in grass and low in quality, your best market would probably be beef cattle. Your's would be at the lower end of the price range since there is not a lot of nutritional value, mainly filler. Just my opinion after raising cattle and horses for years and making lots of hay. Bob
Set two beside each other and your tractor is plenty big enough to carry two on the front at a time
$ 25 minimum! Dont sell yourself short.. “ A laborer is worth his wages!”
Hell the old square bales are going for over $20 a bale....so a round bale should be at least double or triple as the round bales weigh about 3x more, and you have to have the equipment to handle them, so I'd say $75-100 a bale minimum, add on another $10-20 a bale for delivery, and whoever buys them better have a way to unload them off your trailer, otherwise that'll cost a bunch more money for you to have to haul your tractor, skid steer, or whatever you'd use to the customer's property to unload....this stuff gets expensive way too quickly to even keep up with LOL.
The guys doing hay in my area switched to the big square bales or round bales due to issues with theft....people would just drive out in the fields during the night and get away with a truck load or trailer load of hay because the old square bales are light enough to handle by hand easily. Not so easy with those larger bales that require equipment to move.
Morning $20 they pick up $25 u hall within reason, my 4 cents
Next time try to sell them the day after u r baling so u r not driving all over hauling back to your spot u r keeping them , they can bring their trailer all around hopfully .
U will eventually get people that will become customers I think
Great job Brock! We’re there with ya!! Good series.
Best way is to get repeat customers you can trust to be there to buy straight from the field. If you have to move them, store them til winter, then sell from your barn, the price must go up. They will hem and haw about it, but dont cut them no slack. They knew they had mouths to feed but did not get feed bought, irresponsible gotta cost em.
How many hours to cut, rake, bale (don't count telling(sp?) ) did it take to get to this point? Fuel as well? not counting machine cost. Just curious!
so who had the closest guess on number of bales
Never farmed.but worked on 100+ farms b n scrap metal guy.eqipment allwsys do n overweight lift.word 2 wise.i was head home.stoped on side road.old guy next new tractor.he haul n 2 round bales.his left wheel sheared off.he said do it 4 years.hert 2 look at
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@@MrJwh3000 um 20years ago I stopped on side of secondary hyway.old farmer in New blue tractor.had 2 bales on his front forks and he snapped off front wheel assembly.long time ago I was very young but ya it looked real bad
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Except for the fact that bale density is not the same from 1 baler to another look at weight then at cu.ft. of the bale. 3x3 is 350 lbs? and 21 cu.ft. 4x5 can weigh 900 to 1000 lbs and are 78 cu.ft. 4x6 like what kevin bought from you last year can weight 1400 to 1600 lbs and are 113 cuft and my 5x6 can weigh up to 1800 lbs are 141 cuft. want to sell it by weight or bale? All of this is real fun. I think if you find someone with animals that likes your bale size maybe you can sell them. I see a guy trying to sell lil bales like yours at Vinita for$5. Hay is cheap when there is plenty of it.
2 bales on the front those are light weight , so not a issue
your tractor is big enough to load both rows from one side...you don't have to go around and load the other side..
$20 FOR UN-FERTILIZED