LOSS OF CONTROL ON TAKEOFF | Pilots Avoid an Accident at High Speed
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- 27/OCT/2023
Edelweiss A320 from Zurich to Faro was rolling for takeoff when the aircraft suddenly lost directional and veered to the left at high speed, shaking violently.
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I see the rudder deflecting abruptly to the left. Uncommanded rudder input there by the pilots?
I'll keep a close look to the following official reports. If you have further, please leave it as a comment here.
Cool
Pilot went for the brakes and hit harder on the left pedal?
I think that input is from the pilot
I was an avionics tech on the KC-135 which goes off of the B707 model of airliners. They had a system called "Engine Fail Assist". This system would automatically move the rudder if an engine failure was detected during the takeoff roll or soon after rotation. It helped the pilots control any adverse yaw created by the failed engine. I don't know if this was the pilots or a system malfunction.
Am I the only one seeing a big flash out of the tail cone at 0:34-ish and another around 0:42? What are others seeing there?
What a wild ride for the passengers! It’s amazing you have video footage of this btw.
Gotta love plane spotters. So do the authorities when they have to investigate incidents like this.
zrh has amazing spots
I bet none of them will ever forget to fasten their seatbelts 😇
FOOTAGE?
Imagine sitting in the back when this happened 😳
My wife does this maneuver to avoid squirrels when she is driving.
Bet she doesnt recover as well as they did.
In this case it appeared the squirrel was in the cockpit and made the pilots jumpy.
lol
My brother's girlfriend did this to avoid a rabbit and didn't recover at all, spinning the car 180° and putting it in the ditch on the wrong side of the road.
😂
ATC: say intentions
Pilot: we'd like to taxi back to the gate for an underwear change
Well that was sporty! Nice to see the wheels stayed on.
Edelweiss A320: Runway Drift. Sequel to Tokyo Drift
Cue Initial D meme! 🚗🏁
It is surprising the landing gear can put up with so much side-loading.
The captain was telling the copilot how Perez managed to out maneuver Hamilton during the F1 race, but forgot he had the controls.
Lmao! Both aviation and f1 fan there 🎉
If only Perez had veered left going into T1 of the mexico race lol
Given they're a German airline, more like they were ranting about Seb's penalty in Canada 2019 😁
Fake news. Fancy car drivers don't pass each other.
😂😂😂
Great pilots right there. Immediate reaction, positive control, and his voice after the fact is incredibly calm, not even phased. Good job
You have no clue what you are talking about. This is a clear malfunction of control surfaces.@@JohnSmith-zi9or
@@JohnSmith-zi9orand you know this 100% Please give your amazing qualifications to the relevant authorities.
Nobody is going to take someone on RUclips seriously. We can all be armchair investigators
@@dublinairportplaneshe’s got 300 hours on ms2020
The pilot initiated that veering. He used left rudder. Just look at it.
@@dublinairportplanes I can’t say they purposefully did it. Could have been a flight control issue but the rudder was definitely deflecting in the direction of the way it yawed.
Excellent call by the Swiss crew requesting a runway inspection
That should be standard in such a case. Not the first time some debris caused another accident (e.g. Concorde, AF 4590).
I think it’s standard practice.
Looks like the passengers had a fun rollercoaster ride. That sudden jerking motion almost looks unreal for something that size.
Spirit would charge you extra for that ride.😅
At four years old, I was a passenger in the farthest rear window seat of an airliner aboard which my grandfather was the captain (though the F/O was performing the take off). We were preparing to depart (from a German airport), and blew the nose wheel on our takeoff roll. However, (and much to the panic of all other adult PAX) we departed the runway, and ended up in the dirt to the right of the runway. With the thin curtain separating the cockpit from the cabin, my grandfather could hear me screaming, “Papaw! Papaw!” over the other voices, and sent the senior stewardess to pluck me from my seat and bring me to the cockpit. He pointed to a button near the throttles and told me that was the button for the horn. He instructed me to push the button to assist them in calling for help, and while I did, I could see that he, the F/O, and the Flight Engineer were all safe. I looked up at the gauges and avionics, and I was enthralled (looked up to my grandfather, and from then on wanted nothing more than to fly)! It was not until many years later that I realized there was NO HORN on the aircraft and my grandfather had successfully distracted me during a stressful time for the entire crew. (He had been a U.S. Naval Aviator during WWII) ❤ May God rest his soul 🙏🏼🕊️
wow what a wholesome story. may your grandfather rest in piece. but now all i want to know is what was the button you clicked HAHAHAHA
Great story!
PAX?
@@K1OIKPAX - passengers
Aircraft type?
Surprised the tyres didn't come off the rims! A good reason to see why armrests are down for takeoff and landing.
Wheels. Not Rims.
I fly alot and always wondered why flight attendants wanted aisle arm rest down
One tyre exploded during the recovery though.
Great job by everyone involved here. Exceptional control by the captain.
ATC messing things up again. They forgot to tell the pilot to maintain runway heading until after take off.
You mean, before take off?
@@z00h Same thing.
@@ptrinch it's not, maintain runway heading before take off would be a low key joke - but well fitting here - suggesting that pilots should not turn left or right after they started rolling but before lift off, i.e. something that goes without saying.
@@z00h"before X" and "until after X" are the same
@@NoNameAtAll2 let me clarify for the denser part of the audience, I was bouncing of the OP thinking he was making a joke about controller not instructing the pilot to take off without turning left. It was a joke, you know - shit that people do on the internet.
Shoutout to Airbus gear contruction
I shouldn't be laughing so hard at that😂
@@blackmusik109 Same XD
I am happy that I don't have cameras recording everything I do at work. Then again, they don't let me get near paying customers or expensive machinery.👍
😂😂
"and please use caution when opening the overhead bins. Your luggage has undoubtedly shifted, even though we never took off!"
I also noticed several rudder inputs prior to the swerve. ATC said wind was 13 knots, gusting to 18 knots. Could there have been a cross-wind gust right at that point in the takeoff roll? Glad this ended with a safe abort.
It looked more like the rudder inputs were all attempting to steer back to the right. I wonder if something was pulling to the left when they started their roll? There was one hard left, but that seems to be after the nosewheel had already started yanking everything left.
Theere was a rudder input, but nothing to cause such a dramatic change of course, in my opinion.
@@rinleezit looks like an exaggerated pilot counter reaction to the left with overkill inputs on the rudder.
I m a RUclips armchair pilot so I know what i m saying
18 knots gusts don't do that to an airplane... Well, not to an A320.... LOL
@@PetrolHeadBrasilexactly. With the wind 290 degree and RWY 32, That corresponds to only 9kts crosswind component. Way below what the plane is certified for.
Unless they’ve had an instant gust greater than the average given by tower🤷♂️
Oh, the passengers felt that maneuver!
Tower: "Do you need any assistance?"
Pilot: "Got any clean undies?"
I'm happy that there weren't any seriuos injuries.
Maybe the pilot had the biggest sneeze of his life
Big time recovery by the pilot...well done.
The pilots caused it before they recovered it.
@@hepphepps8356Yep, he stabbed the left rudder pedal.
Not so big. The recovery time was quite small.
@@frizzby-x I wish I could learn more under your guy's tutelage
From Aviation Safety Network: “Edelweiss flight WK298, an Airbus A320-214, aborted the takeoff from runway 32 at Zurich International Airport.
One of the tires on the left-hand main gear deflated as a result.
The reason for the aborted takeoff was that “The plane exhibited unusual behavior on the runway,” according to an airline spokesperson.
A video, purportedly of the incident, shows the aircraft swung to the left during the takeoff roll before directional control was regained.”
Excellent. High professionalism from all sides. Kudos
As luck would have it, YT placed a picture/link of a T-38 two-ship on the right side list. That aircraft had a problem decades ago of a hard-over rudder actuator failure. Caused a aircraft loss in the class just ahead of ours at UPT. Later cause the loss of the crew and airframe when it happened just after liftoff. I doubt that kind of problem occurred in this case, of course, but it could have been much worse at 100 feet!
YT?
@@K1OIK YT = You Tube 😀
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@@K1OIK would you believe I’m sew slow that I used that saved thyme to watch another YT vid?! 😆🤪
@@arkiefyler vid?
It does seem like an uncommanded hard over left. It doesnt seem fast enough for the nose gear to disengage, and it does not seem to be turning along with the rudder (though Im unfamiliar with the type). The big clue that could provide more is the rudder itself. On left, it turns hard right, but when the aircraft begins to recover to centerline, the rudder is not at the same deflection. Again, light plays a role but, I looked at that part a few times, so def interesting to get a followup on this.
Probably an engine failure. One engine at noise noise and the other at idle (seizure?) will create quite a lot of control issues.
@@EdOeuna You can see the rudder input before movement of the aircraft. And an engine failure, will not turn the aicraft like this. They happen all the time with no issues.
@@EdOeuna I'd guess damper failure of some kind.
It couldn't have been that serious if it was returned to service only 7 days later. I'm curious also. Pretty sporty maneuver for a big plane.
@@RipRoaringGarage - watching it again there does seem excessive rudder just prior to the event. May small aircraft like this won’t suffer from severe yawing with an engine failure but larger, more powerful ones may, if there’s a decent crosswind and a wet or contaminated surface. This usually happens at lower speeds when the rudder is ineffective but you’ve got full thrust on the remaining engine.
Love the simulation. Makes so much more sense when you see the runway up close.
Wicked sick drift
Nice recovery but after a highspeed T/O abort you always stay on the runway to evaluate the situation. The runway is closed anyway ( which the tower confirmed by stating the need for inspection and fire brigade) your problems are likely to grow due to hot brakes for instance and on the taxiway there is limited room for the fire brigade and an evacuation...
Massive rudder input initiated this yaw. Maybe something fell and got lodged in the steering tiller? Although that should be disabled after a certain speed I guess?
They drifted that a320
I'm impressed just saying
Cue Tokyo Drift
WOW! I've Never saw that!
Flashbacks to that chinook crashing when the copilot dropped a tablet into the rudder pedal area. Wonder if one of crew dropped something and inadvertantly stepped on the rudder pedal while bending over to pick it up....
My first thought was to think of what happens when someone spills coffee on themselves while driving...so basically that.
That was heads up on the pilot flying, they regained control very quickly.
The calmness and skill of the pilots.
I think that was scare any nervous flyer lol
With that movement, it would scare an experienced traveler. A newb would probably have screamed, passed out, woken up, and screamed again. A nervous passenger would likely never set foot in an airplane again.
That video needs to be in a Eurobeat meme compilation.
Them pilots out here drifting like pros...
Tokyo Drift in an A320! Nice! Maybe doing a moose test?
Pilots make 140 knot rejected takeoff but declines external inspection because they'd rather wait for a small fire to become a big fire before getting help.
The official report will be very interesting. Rudder fault, failed tire, pilot error?
Some damage in the tail.
watch the vid again: Two flashes indicating something (APU?) really going strange just where the rudder is controlled
After the second flash the rudder went left.
Boy riding the tail section must have been like that whip rude at the county fairs lol. Terrifying
I do such maneuvers all the time while driving in Prague, to avoid holes in the road.
I love so much swiss ATC
Rudder definitely deflected left, followed by the reject.
That was a tight sphincter moment.
Or a Code Brown.
Strap in your stomach and hold on tight. The poor souls in the tail got quite a toss.
I bet that was fun in the back!
That pilot waited all his life to try out that maneuver. With the wait
.
Great professionals. Didn’t even spill his coffee on the flight attendant sitting in his lap.
Wasn't the wind. It was only 30 degrees off the nose at 18 knots tops. 30 degrees at 18 would mean the actual cross wind was only 7 knots. The max crosswind for the 737 has got to be around 25 knots at 90 degrees. Something else was at play there. Hydraulics or mechanical control issue or pilot foot slipped.
That abrupt Rudder movement is the reason.. But how?
It's always practiced in the sim but they caught that fast. Well done.
An uncommanded rudder deflection on takeoff?
Yeah I kinda doubt that they practice this in the sim.
@@backandforthupanddowWhat do you mean uncommanded? What makes you think it wasn’t commanded?
Nah we never practice that in the sim.
@@pirlout You never do RTOs?
It seems apparent that there was a cross-breeze from left to right on the runway. You can see them compensating for it with Right Rudder because the fuselage was trying to weather-vane into the wind. It looks to me that either the wind gusted hard suddenly. Either that or the nose-wheel steering failed.
If you want to shift your seat back in a moving plane, push with both feet!
I've seen this happen with small aircraft, but I suppose big jets are just as vulnerable. Its just the wind gust. Sometimes, its rare, but right before rotation if the plane and if the pilot wasn't ready for it, or they let out wind correction (if they had it to begin with) then, the gust hits the plane and the pilot, instead of correcting slowly and just enough to go straight, over-corrects and causes the plane, which is hyper awkward on the ground, to shoot around like that...basically what we saw.
Nope, you can plainly see the rudder deflect causing the initial swerve. Other than a pcu runaway, I'd guess a possible engine failure or loss of power followed by an impulsive incorrect rudder input. Something caused the pilot to do that, maybe tire failure, but wind alone wouldn't do that unless it was ridiculously windy
@@SgfGustafsson The rudder deflection is just a symptom not the cause. But if it was an engine failure or tire, you would (at least for the tire) see that in the video. Yes, gust can do this. I did most of my flying in Florida and the Caribbean in high gust conditions. I used to see the Islanders do this, not all the time, but enough, and it was never an engine failure (surprisingly, I swear if there was one aircraft I never wanted to be in, it was an islander). But a sudden gust can sometimes cause a pilot to overreact, effectively simulated any of those other issue. Also happens with pilots in training (not me..I had other issues).
@jhmcd2 You can literally see the left rudder cause the turn in the video. I was saying it was probably a reaction to something else because it doesn't make sense for the pilot to push the rudder into the wind, which was an apparently relatively calm crosswind. What I'm saying is something startled the pilot to make them react incorrectly for a second.
Winds were under 10kt crosswind so unlikely.
I have 9000 hours on the A320...and I have absolutely no idea what happened there. On very rare occasions there were threaded spindles installed in the opposite direction. Upside down. Those control the rudder. When they are monted the wrong way round they can slip through the gear and cause this sudden change of yaw.
amazing!
I was taking off in a CJ. The copilot was pilot flying. As we accelerated the aircraft slowly began to drift to the right. As he was an ex military pilot as I was, I assumed he had it under control. He then said "what's it doing". I immediately took control and brought the throttles to idle (yeah, I don't know why he hadn't done that either) at which time the aircraft turned sideways at 100 knots. I stood on the rudder to get it straight and the aircraft came to a stop straight on the centerline. Cessna maintenance never did determine what had caused the departure. The wheels had been ground down to the hubs. New wheels. tires and brakes and the aircraft was good to go.
Sounds like your brakes locked up on one side?
@@crazymonkeyVII
Must have been something like that, but the mechanics never found an issue. Have a nice day.
Pilot commanded the rudder to go hard left and the plane went hard left. Crew interview will be interesting.
He was probably trying to scoot himself back in the seat by standing on the rudder pedal. 🙂
I'm honestly surprised that the rudder was able to yank the plane that quickly
We don't know for sure that the pilot commanded. It is only known that the rudder went hard left. Most likely is a malfunction. The aircraft didn't fly for 7 days after this. It's probably because they found the cause and needed parts to repair it. I doubt that the tire burst would lead to 7 days grounding. Need to wait for the report to know exactly why the aircraft suddenly wanted to go left.
What is your evidence to say it was the pilot who commanded the rudder to go left, @lastdance2099?
@@iain8837 Really? Planes are really big and really heavy, the plane wasn't going more than say 100kts, with that amount of airflow I'm surprised. Obviously it did, but it just was surprising to me
The pilots didn’t let the auto brakes down their job during the reject.
Report states that the crew rejected for an abnormal behavior.
Rudder input is being used for the x-wind (gusting to 18kts) When the decision to reject is made, the feet were taken off the rudder peddles to reposition to the top to apply manual brakes. This is why the hard left yaw happens.
I watch the same thing happen on landings all the time when pilots don’t lock in the rudder input used to de-crab at touchdown. At touchdown, the pilot relaxes the rudder input and the plane weather-vanes into the wind.
Nice catch!
It looked like a hard left rudder input to me. It also reminded me of my very first takeoff in a 172 at the rudder pedals.
I bet I know what Juan will be posting tonight.
Now I wanna see if an airliner can do donuts... it might be possible? Can a tire company try it out as a PR campaign - use a plane on the way to the scrap yard, probably control it remotely
The landing gear or more likely the tires would fail first. Airliner tires are much more highly loaded than car tires, and since the aircraft's propulsion doesn't have a mechanical driveshaft connection to the tires, they only spin when the aircraft moves, not when the aircraft throttles up. Aircraft don't usually have a clutch or gearbox, and those that do are almost always helicopters and as such not the subject of this video.
Point is, if you do the math out on your idea you quickly realize that it's a non-starter, and would be a lot less impressive than you think it would be.
There's a video of a bush plane doing what some would call donuts on a frozen lake out there somewhere.
Maybe not with standard issue tires on an airliner on a dry, garden variety runway, but I'm sure it's possible one way or another if you can find someone willing to make a massively irresponsible financial decision
There's supposedly video of a Southwest 737 spinning in a circle on the tarmac in St Louis during a tornado
You can actually see how it turns!!!, I wonder why was that...
The fact that the plane departed DAYS after the incident tells us there was some kind of malfunction with it, for sure...
Pretty sure the investigators took control of that aircraft. Incidents like this without injury are free lessons, while normally they are paid in blood.
Now, that, is a cool pilot after that code brown moment.
"Why did you have beer in the cockpit, and why did you tell the F/O to hold it!?!"
According to the clearance, there was a fairly strong left crosswind *component* (8 to 10kts), which you can clearly them countering with right rudder during the roll.
Then, we can see the rudder move suddenly to the left, causing the plane to veer/swerve left. The swerve was made worse because of the strong left crosswind -- even if the rudder were to go to neutral, the plane would tend to "weather vane" left, into the wind. As such, the swerve was much more violent than if there were no crosswind.
Either this was pilot error, or an uncommanded left-rudder input. The latter is possible, but improbable. The data recorder will ferret out which one it was, so we should have the answer rather quickly.
Very happy this ended without further incident! 😁
Which would also explain why they were initially unconvinced that they needed assistance - they thought this was an issue with managing the cross wind and had no reason to assume there were any physical issues with the plane.
8-10kt isn't a lot, especially for a larger craft like that.
Fast & Furious Zurich Drifting an A320! 😬
surprised by how well that thing can handle.
This is why, as a passenger, I always bring a change of underwear in my carry-on bag. That was incredible control by the pilots.
Some skills I'd like to know why it happened the ruder whent left all of a sudden
Beer bottle rolled under the rudder pedals for a second...
There were quite a few rudder inputs on that takeoff... I'm curious of where individual weather indicators are placed across that airport, SPECIFICALLY wind speed indicators at about 10 meters above the tarmac. My understanding (although I'm not a pilot) that Airbus has automation for damned near everything, so seeing the various rudder inputs, I am wondering if the aircraft itself was trying to fight variable crosswinds during takeoff? 🤔
A technician posted, check the pinned comment, fifth reply, about exactly what you're referring to: That particular model's high probabilities of having, to put it simple, and "auto-something" that yielded the results we saw. Good call m'friend, have a nice day!
Apart from some emptied bladders and some messy skidmarks onboard, nobody was hurt.
"Do you need any assistance?" "Yeah a pack of new underwear..."
wow, that must be scary
Looks like every of my takeoff attempts in A320 in MSFS😂
A high speed rejection like that should absolutely have CFR come and inspect the wheels…
Edelweiss 298 - Tokyo Drift
Damn, their portions of swiss cheese nearly had too many holes in it.
The question is, was that full left rudder input that started the divergence commanded or uncommanded? I'm curious to see what the black boxes show.
Possibly a bad tiller to rudder transition of a right seat takeoff with little initial rudder input while the left seat used tiller steering ???
Could we be revisiting the 737 rudder reversal/hardcovers from the 90s?
"I see you aborted take off, You need and assistance?"
"Please roll the trucks with about 150 pairs of underwear, and a biohazard cleanup crew"
"I'm telling you, you can't drift an A320!"
"Bet you 20 Euro I can..."
"Bet."
Check at 0:42. I see a flash light at the APU. Then, it swerved.
That's the strobe light
If you look closely in the video clip they hit that left rudder hard, that's why it veered so hard to the left.
But why
@@VASAviation I can't say, that's going to have to go into investigation, it could have been a failure.
You can clearly see it, though.
I remember an accident where maintenance switched two cables on one joystick inverting the controls, maybe it was something like that
The Embraer? They are cable operated, like most Boeings. Airbus’ are fully electrical. Conceivably the input wires on the stick could have been reversed, but the ECAS shows actual control position for the before takeoff inspection (since you really can’t see any of them).
The rudder didn't do that on its own, did it?
Like one of them accidently bumped the stick to the left or something, right?
You can clearly see the rudder moving and causing the plane to veer to the left.
Looks like a PILOT INDUCED loss of control. You can clearly see FULL LEFT RUDDER be applied the very moment it yaws. Tire failure doesn't cause that kind of yaw!
How much seat cushion was extracted from the captain after that?
Sources say F/O sneezed heavily.
Are we sure it wasn't any other form of malfunction?
ALL of it lol
All of it!
@@foxw875I didn't see your comment and posted the same thing. You wouldn't happen to watch a drunken Canadian would you?
Deja vu!
The rudder. Uncommanded or pilot error?
This is why I no longer adjust my seat while driving.
Imagine the screams inside the airplane.
Looks like he accidentaly mixed up left and right? Maybe the same reaction when you drive the car but instead of hitting the break you push the gas streight trough?
looks like somone fitted castors to it
Eidle weiss eidle weiss 🎵 🎶
Tower..please tell responding fire personnel to bring 87 clean pair of Fruit O' The Loom, as well; Thank You.
*Code Brown in the cabin!*