I work in pro AV and we've been using NDI for awhile. Lots of broadcast style cameras and switchers support NDI now as well. The is the first more pro-sumer hardware device that I've seen added it in. It actually fixes the major reason that I bought the Rodecaster Pro II over the Mackie DLZ Creator for my home use, which is that I've got two computers on my desk, and with the RCPII it has two USB ports, so I can run USB to both machines and have them come in (and out) as separate devices. The DLZ couldn't do that until now. Your secondary machine could just be setup with NDI in and out as your primary audio devices and you could control everything off the DLZ. Pretty sweet!
I have a Q-SYS Core doing everything for my streaming setup. I'm about to integrate a Yamaha DM3-D into my setup so I have Dante feeding into the setup. NDI Is great but I like to take advantage of more robust AVoverIP solutions since NDI has a lot of latency compared to a solution from ZeeVee which zero frame loss. Thankfully ZeeVee has Dante options that can live on their 10G AVoverIp network. Thankfully I don't spec any Birddog equipment because I can't tell you how many birddog NDI devices I have in service right now...just sad.
Looks like NDI is 50-75ms latency, which is VERY noticeable. Dante or AES67 does the same, but at 2ms latency. NDI is typically sending video and audio together, so the latency isn't a big deal usually, but once you separate video and audio with it, you will definitely see some lip sync issues.
Dante also requires dedicated hardware codecs, so it’s faster / more stable, but can’t be added after-sale unless it’s via a card slot or as a separate piece of outboard gear. I’m not sure if AES67 requires dedicated hardware or if it can be implemented all in software as codecs.
@@seanp2k617 Dante does not require dedicated hardware. There is software based Dante, like their Dante virtual sound card for PCs as well as software based Dante in Q-SYS hardware.
That's not actually true. Dante can be added via software although you will experience more latency due to the lack or hardware encoding. The minimum latency for Dante Virtual Soundcard (as an example) is 4ms.@@seanp2k617
This mixer does NDI. NDI is really cool. Harris really loves NDI. Harris's desk is much less cluttered thanks to NDI. We should all worship NDI. OK OK but what else can this mixer do besides NDI?????
Interesting choice by Mackie to use NDI over something like Dante or AES. Don't get me wrong, NDI is amazing in the right use case and with the right infrastructure but also can introduce a fair bit of latency if not installed correctly. Obviously audio streams take less bandwidth than video streams so the latency with using this in a network with wired devices is probably not that noticeable. However if you start introducing wireless devices and/or devices in other locations as mentioned in the video, your latency will drastically increase. Also NDI doesn't really support any clocking, not a huge deal in this use case as a streamer but could become problematic in other use cases.
they prob don’t want to pay to license NDI or Dante. Could still do AVB, I believe that one is royalty-free. It’s a niche feature that’s only relevant for a smaller amount of folks, and skews higher-end. These are prosumer devices for the most part. Pro production teams are going to use something like an Aaton, Zaxcom, Sound Devices, or Nagra recorder, and for installed or even touring sound, Dante is the standard. Another important thing to note: NDI is a software implementation while Dante has a dedicated chip. It’s also going to be less latency and potentially more stable, or at least more consistent, as it’s basically a small computer just dedicated to the task of converting to and from Dante. Dante also wants to be the only thing on a network, whereas NDI / AES67 can coexist. Venues with millions invested in Dante infra aren’t switching to NDI any time soon for audio, but it’s a nice option to have for stuff like they show in this video and I hope it gets more popular, esp given Dante’s recent issues with supply chain shortages and long time to market for stuff like this.
"That's two things" Congrats Harris, you figured out what David S Goyer couldn't when writing Man of Steel: The difference between 1 and 2. "There's only one way this ends, Kal. Either you die, or I do."
I though it will be Dante or Madi, NDI is great too, but for Audio, NDI is just a little kid, the big guy was Dante AVB MADI, or even the obsolete one by Roland call REAC, NDI is primary design for video, but like this scenario, it's better then nothing, and it is the first to have network audio in this newly market "podcast mixer", but really love to see if they can implement others professional audio networking protocol.
If you could have captured my face the moment you said "NDI" about the firmware update, they'd put it in the marketing material, haha. That's actually such a crazy huge boost to utility to have at the audio interface level.
I'm having one of those moments where I've used NDI for the past 2 years and simply cannot figure out how you setup a system level audio output to an NDI stream. The link you provided is just for the OBS plugin. What ninja skills are you using to get this direct audio output on both Mac OS and Windows? Thanks for your awesome content, by the way. I deeply admire your work.
I found it a lot simpler on Mac, where I could just use NDI Output as my system level output. Windows isn't quite as user friendly and I could only use it as an OBS plugin, though they do have the whole NDI tools suite. See if there is a solution in there for you.
@@Senpai I have the sam question though. You send it to your other machine, but are you running OBS or something constantly to receive the audio to play out the speakers or are you utilizing something like the NDI Video Monitor, so some other tool to make it play out your speakers on the other machine? That's where I'm confused. I can get the same thing to work with keeping an app open, just wanted to see how you were doing this.
What Microphone arm are you using on that desk? not the mic itself, you included that in your streaming kits, JUST the arm, as it's not present on any of the htree you have linked, ANd I've been looking for a low profile one like that to use with my Podmic (which I've been using since just after release, and will swear by to this day, but it's a heavy boy and broke the only Blue high arm I used to use.) so i need a replacement better attuned to the space i actually have.
Considering the capability was built in, makes you wonder why it didn’t ship with it. I mean audio over Ethernet is not a new concept. During my audio engineering course, when we were doing our live sound component, we had a pair of Avid stage boxes connected to an Avid Venue system over Ethernet. It’s good to see it integrated into a consumer level product, don’t get me wrong, but eh. Feels kinda gimmicky to me, it’s not a feature I can see a lot of streamers needing personally
NDI is great! I've been using it to share cameras, scenes, audio, etc between PC's for a few years now. Replaced the capture card awhile back with NDI and never looked back. Now experimenting with a triple PC streaming/recording setup to offload functions. Video feeds powered by NDI. I've also recently been using Dante audio with their virtual sound card software, as well as an add-in card on the Behringer X32 rack mixer. Semi-expensive setup, but the audio routing capabilities over the network are amazing. Just doesn't coexist nicely with NDI - so have to separate them out. Sorry - bit of a rabbit-hole there - but fun to geek out on this stuff!
You should do a video on vivitar's line of streaming gear, idk if its walmart specific, but i've only seen it there. they have so much gear if ur on a budget- capture cards, mics, keylights its actually insane. it would be really cool to see how good of stream quality you could get from just walmart. would also make a really good title haha.
I use your Low Fi playlist for my podcast and for my BJJ gym so that when we record our matches that way Facebook and Insta don’t get angry! Thanks for making them !!!
woooow thats craaazy his US$800 (C$1100) mixer got an update where he can play music so far away over his internet that he can't hear it anymore. Voicemeeter Potato has VBAN for like like US$15.00 but okkkay
I have a doubt regarding this amazing mixer. Could it be possible connect 2 pc at the same time? one for playing a game for example and the second one used just to recording/streaming by obs? Roadcaster II has 2 usb-c ports to do that without any problem... but Mackie DLZ creator maybe could use its usb-c port and another conexion as the 5/6 port (L/R) or maybe the stereo 7/8 port? Thanks a lot for your incredible and helpful videos man! I love them and always are great appreciated!
1st thanks for the info! I will be getting the DLZ and wonder how one setups up the NDI source on the non USB connected devices. I would like to use NDI to get the audio from two separate PC's to my stream PC. I have been looking but cannot find an Audio Only solution. Any help would be appreciated.
It’s not ‘Over the Internet’, the terms ‘over the network’ is the right one. NDI is mostly used for Broadcasting, while Dante is commonly used in Audio Live and Recordings and more expensive device and protocols
Just got mine in today and idk if I’m dumb but I cannot get this thing to work. Downloaded drivers but can’t figure out what is what in windows settings to get mic to come through or audio to headset. And no videos really to show setup on windows, just setup on device.
Hey there i have a question is it possible to request a video streaming related? If so is it possible for you to do a video on the using wireless earbuds( i plan on getting the soundcore vr 10 with its dongle). I was trying to switch over from wired headphones with mic which im currently using with the elgato hd60 x connected to my headset with the chat link pro. Cant remember but i think i heard there was issues with 2 mics? Have the wave 3 mic also along with headset mic. So was trying to figure out how would i do that without issues?
Live audio engineer here who regularly uses Dante, Audinates audio over IP, so the concept is nothing new to me. But this is still fantastic. It’s streamlined your setup and made everything much more efficient. Fantastic stuff!
Do you have any tips for a home studio setup where I want to send USB midi for longer than 3m? I have a table with my USB gear (synths, drum machines, interface etc.) on one side of my room and my desk on the other. I have a mic and other equipment at my desk and I want to bring my interface over to my desk too, while still keeping it linked with the midi gear on the other side of my room.
Is it just the main output that can utilize NDI? Any NDI inputs? You also can't freely assign specific inputs to specific sliders right? Rode's Procaster series still seems to be the one for dual PC setups, especially if you need your mic to go two both PCs. Rode hinted at bringing networked audio to the Procaster mixers at a tech show a few months back. They also said the next update will bring more virtual channels to the USB connections. I feel like that thing would be busted with more USB in/outs & a few NDI/Dante in/outs.
So, NDI is great, I use it every day as a technical director for large live events. But, I feel like Dante would be more useful for input and output and routing. Dante also is more reliable in my experience.
You're legit the only other person I've seen mention Dante. Let's be real, audio-over-ethernet is far from new. We've been able to do this for over a decade now... To me, this just felt like an advertisement.
@@TheFakeNewsFrog Yeah, it's also painfully obvious that this is a consumer product. I try to keep up with the prosumer gear. But talking about NDI routing like its never been done before is a bit ridiculous.
So... NDI? That's the "new" feature? NDI is just software-based Dante with more latency, is it not? If you actually know what you're buying, and why you're buying it, you could of done this over a decade ago. This is clearly a advertainment aimed at 'normies'.
How was the NDI/Audio --> Mouse Click Delay? I tried to use OBS to send NDI from my streaming PC, to NDI on my streaming Mac -- and the delay was total garbage :)
hi! Nice Video. I would like to get this Mackie too, but i only need one Microfone. If i would be able to take the other 3 Fader of Mic to virtual Devices from my Computer like Spotify, Firefox, Games and so on, it would be the perfect thing for me.
Could anyone please inform me how to connect my Mackie Dlz creator to my M1 Macbook pro? Are there any drivers needed? I'm trying to connect to logic pro X and i can't !
80% of the video is about the NDI stuff. streaming audio over network is something possible for many many years some options more some less comfortable. no idea why you point that out so much. that isnt fair to the Mackie to reduce it to NDI. The Mackie might be the king cause of many other reasons but not cause kind of a "Bonus Function" like NDI.
This may be stupid question but can I use two separate PC's (a Windows PC and a MAC), have 1 connected via USB C and the other via NDI and be able to use the one mic across both PC's or is NDI output only? Use case is the Mac is used for work (mic needed for Teams) and the PC is for gaming. Would like to use the DLZ across both devices. This can be done with the Rodecaster Pro 2 but nor really sure what the full extent of NDI is.
Hi Senpai, Just checking if u still recommend this mackie DLZ and if ur happy with the firmware updates since u bought it? Im intending to use in it in a church setting where there are only 3 mics used and am sending signal into an atem extreme. I am conscious that it doesnt have remote app control but I dont think thats the end of the world ad I will have the mixer next to me upstairs in the gallery at the back of the chapel where I have my two cameras and another underneath staircase. Thats for the great video. Im also interested in ndi but its just something I migt not use if I cant also control levels remotely. I forgot to say that someone else controls the in house pa mix so this mixer would only be for my recording. Im not live streaming but rather using atem as a quicker way to edit videos in post using Premiere Pro.
Thanks for the video. Seems like a great feature to stream audio bi-directionally. Can you maybe do a tutorial video on how to set this up on both computers, I'm in the market for a new mackie mixer.
Ive had rhe mackie for about 6 months now..and that update will change hiw u edit and stream vidoes If i can send the recording to my streaming to editing rig thats...ya i think my mackie dlz is better than rodes anyday id pepsi challenge any other interface...yes it was 800 bucsk slot moe ths. The rode duo now but the screen the workflow its amazing
sooooo its like a live audio console, Yamaha for instance has Dante which is audio over ethernet. that's wonderful. But! ur entire system needs to be NDI compatible?
Just checking if ur still daily using this mixer and whether ur happy with it. Couks u tell me whether this would be good for a three mic conference setup? The one pity about this mixer is it cant be controlled with an iPad if im not near the mixer.
My thought is I could use this to not only stream what I am doing in music production but when doing reviews so instead of using a digital coaxial cable to another interface but do not have the control this has and this NDI might mean I can streamline this process, have more control and also move a setup around the house. Not idea if this is possible to get audio from another interface as this was not answered and maybe this the failing and silence usually follows such questions as my last one did.
Dude! That is cool. Big question? You talked about sending audio through the wan from one location to another. Can one person on OBS output to NDI and then send it to someone else through through the WAN so it can be used as a vid/audio source? That wayn having if you did a podcast with someone else they can use OBS on thei r subide. You use OBS on yourside and capture or live stream it to youtube. IS that possible? That way we would connect two OBSs remotely where the connecting is being done externally through NDS. IS that possible or am I draming?
Ughhh Literally just purchased and integrated the RCP2 into my set up because of the 2 PC support, If i'd known about this i probably would have gone with the Mackie!
Yo. Every now and then I find a sick new product here, or I learn something about a product I already have. But most of the time I just want to see this dude be stoked about a/v stuff. Like I don’t care about this thing, it’s neat, I’ll never buy it, I have no use for one, I can’t afford it. *BUT I watched the whole video* 😊
I was using the Elgato Wave Link app. On the Stream Deck there is a native plugin that lets you toggle between two audio outputs. It's one of my favorites.
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So excited to see the Ethernet port on a mixer like this used for an actual feature!
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We’re waiting for you to review it 😊
in pro audio weve been using networked audio since the early 2ks or even earlier
I work in pro AV and we've been using NDI for awhile. Lots of broadcast style cameras and switchers support NDI now as well. The is the first more pro-sumer hardware device that I've seen added it in. It actually fixes the major reason that I bought the Rodecaster Pro II over the Mackie DLZ Creator for my home use, which is that I've got two computers on my desk, and with the RCPII it has two USB ports, so I can run USB to both machines and have them come in (and out) as separate devices. The DLZ couldn't do that until now. Your secondary machine could just be setup with NDI in and out as your primary audio devices and you could control everything off the DLZ. Pretty sweet!
You're right, it's huge in video. It's so cool to see it come to consumer and creator focused audio devices. I hope it's the first of many.
you never heard of Audinate and there Dante AVIO Adapters or Dante Virtual Soundcard or Dante VIA? they been around many years in Pro AV
it's cool, but you can do this and a whole lot more with Audinate products.@@Senpai
Do what? inform people of alternative options, that have been around many years.@@user-zj4ju5fi4j
I have a Q-SYS Core doing everything for my streaming setup. I'm about to integrate a Yamaha DM3-D into my setup so I have Dante feeding into the setup. NDI Is great but I like to take advantage of more robust AVoverIP solutions since NDI has a lot of latency compared to a solution from ZeeVee which zero frame loss. Thankfully ZeeVee has Dante options that can live on their 10G AVoverIp network. Thankfully I don't spec any Birddog equipment because I can't tell you how many birddog NDI devices I have in service right now...just sad.
Looks like NDI is 50-75ms latency, which is VERY noticeable. Dante or AES67 does the same, but at 2ms latency. NDI is typically sending video and audio together, so the latency isn't a big deal usually, but once you separate video and audio with it, you will definitely see some lip sync issues.
With NDI | HX yes. NDI (no video) has Dante like latency when used audio only, or NDI | HX3 when used alongside 4k60fps video
Dante also requires dedicated hardware codecs, so it’s faster / more stable, but can’t be added after-sale unless it’s via a card slot or as a separate piece of outboard gear. I’m not sure if AES67 requires dedicated hardware or if it can be implemented all in software as codecs.
@@seanp2k617 Dante does not require dedicated hardware. There is software based Dante, like their Dante virtual sound card for PCs as well as software based Dante in Q-SYS hardware.
That's not actually true. Dante can be added via software although you will experience more latency due to the lack or hardware encoding. The minimum latency for Dante Virtual Soundcard (as an example) is 4ms.@@seanp2k617
Different versions of NDI have different latency and use different amounts of bandwidth/resources. Some NDI has basically no noticeable latency.
Mackie if you are reading this, implement flying faders so we can control the faders via the browser on any capable device!
This mixer does NDI. NDI is really cool. Harris really loves NDI. Harris's desk is much less cluttered thanks to NDI. We should all worship NDI.
OK OK but what else can this mixer do besides NDI?????
Interesting choice by Mackie to use NDI over something like Dante or AES. Don't get me wrong, NDI is amazing in the right use case and with the right infrastructure but also can introduce a fair bit of latency if not installed correctly. Obviously audio streams take less bandwidth than video streams so the latency with using this in a network with wired devices is probably not that noticeable. However if you start introducing wireless devices and/or devices in other locations as mentioned in the video, your latency will drastically increase. Also NDI doesn't really support any clocking, not a huge deal in this use case as a streamer but could become problematic in other use cases.
Sooooooo install it correctly. No need to rant
Not always possible. Highly dependant on project and budget...@@smartwerker
Are you listening, RODE? You've got an Ethernet connector, ya know....
they prob don’t want to pay to license NDI or Dante. Could still do AVB, I believe that one is royalty-free. It’s a niche feature that’s only relevant for a smaller amount of folks, and skews higher-end. These are prosumer devices for the most part. Pro production teams are going to use something like an Aaton, Zaxcom, Sound Devices, or Nagra recorder, and for installed or even touring sound, Dante is the standard.
Another important thing to note: NDI is a software implementation while Dante has a dedicated chip. It’s also going to be less latency and potentially more stable, or at least more consistent, as it’s basically a small computer just dedicated to the task of converting to and from Dante. Dante also wants to be the only thing on a network, whereas NDI / AES67 can coexist. Venues with millions invested in Dante infra aren’t switching to NDI any time soon for audio, but it’s a nice option to have for stuff like they show in this video and I hope it gets more popular, esp given Dante’s recent issues with supply chain shortages and long time to market for stuff like this.
"That's two things" Congrats Harris, you figured out what David S Goyer couldn't when writing Man of Steel: The difference between 1 and 2. "There's only one way this ends, Kal. Either you die, or I do."
That's it. I'm writing movies.
does this add multiple channels within windows?
Yes it does! You should be able to do that through USB :)
hmm.. what's the difference between NDI and Dante? Because that's kinda what Dante does..
I love the addition of NDI!! But hasn't this been possible with Dante for a long time now?
Dante is not built into basically any board. But also, ndi is far less complicated to use. And has less of the perfect network setup needs.
so im not the only one getting ads for this device lol
I though it will be Dante or Madi, NDI is great too, but for Audio, NDI is just a little kid, the big guy was Dante AVB MADI, or even the obsolete one by Roland call REAC, NDI is primary design for video, but like this scenario, it's better then nothing, and it is the first to have network audio in this newly market "podcast mixer", but really love to see if they can implement others professional audio networking protocol.
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If you could have captured my face the moment you said "NDI" about the firmware update, they'd put it in the marketing material, haha. That's actually such a crazy huge boost to utility to have at the audio interface level.
I'm having one of those moments where I've used NDI for the past 2 years and simply cannot figure out how you setup a system level audio output to an NDI stream. The link you provided is just for the OBS plugin. What ninja skills are you using to get this direct audio output on both Mac OS and Windows?
Thanks for your awesome content, by the way. I deeply admire your work.
I found it a lot simpler on Mac, where I could just use NDI Output as my system level output. Windows isn't quite as user friendly and I could only use it as an OBS plugin, though they do have the whole NDI tools suite. See if there is a solution in there for you.
@@Senpai I have the sam question though. You send it to your other machine, but are you running OBS or something constantly to receive the audio to play out the speakers or are you utilizing something like the NDI Video Monitor, so some other tool to make it play out your speakers on the other machine? That's where I'm confused. I can get the same thing to work with keeping an app open, just wanted to see how you were doing this.
I don´t understand how make wiped of Rode Rodecaster from the desk lefthandedly.
What Microphone arm are you using on that desk? not the mic itself, you included that in your streaming kits, JUST the arm, as it's not present on any of the htree you have linked, ANd I've been looking for a low profile one like that to use with my Podmic (which I've been using since just after release, and will swear by to this day, but it's a heavy boy and broke the only Blue high arm I used to use.) so i need a replacement better attuned to the space i actually have.
This video is not from Mackie, and the boom arm he’s using here is the Elgato Low Profile Boom Arm
@@clemradio thank you
@@thisisabsurd7420 my pleasure
"Hank Green not going to copywrite strike this" did we all forget about the VLog Brothers drama?
Considering the capability was built in, makes you wonder why it didn’t ship with it. I mean audio over Ethernet is not a new concept. During my audio engineering course, when we were doing our live sound component, we had a pair of Avid stage boxes connected to an Avid Venue system over Ethernet. It’s good to see it integrated into a consumer level product, don’t get me wrong, but eh. Feels kinda gimmicky to me, it’s not a feature I can see a lot of streamers needing personally
NDI is great! I've been using it to share cameras, scenes, audio, etc between PC's for a few years now. Replaced the capture card awhile back with NDI and never looked back. Now experimenting with a triple PC streaming/recording setup to offload functions. Video feeds powered by NDI.
I've also recently been using Dante audio with their virtual sound card software, as well as an add-in card on the Behringer X32 rack mixer. Semi-expensive setup, but the audio routing capabilities over the network are amazing. Just doesn't coexist nicely with NDI - so have to separate them out.
Sorry - bit of a rabbit-hole there - but fun to geek out on this stuff!
We're so glad to hear that you're a long time fan of NDI :)
Not really the 1st interface to use NDI since DANTE already existed 😂 they just never called it NDI plus think Dante is both over Ethernet & Wireless
is there an audio interface that isnt $799+ that has this NDI feature?
right? I could use this, but not another mixer. At least not an $800 one.
You should do a video on vivitar's line of streaming gear, idk if its walmart specific, but i've only seen it there. they have so much gear if ur on a budget- capture cards, mics, keylights its actually insane. it would be really cool to see how good of stream quality you could get from just walmart. would also make a really good title haha.
Actually this isnt the first device to send audio over the network. Most digital mixers have this option using a Dante Network Interface.
It is the first piece of audio hardware to adopt the NDI standard, not the first audio hardware to network audio.
I use your Low Fi playlist for my podcast and for my BJJ gym so that when we record our matches that way Facebook and Insta don’t get angry! Thanks for making them !!!
Now rode should add it to the RCP 2....finally would be a good use for the ethernet port....and thanks for the video
oh my heck, having NDI is amazing!
But NDI is not Mackie dependent 😂
Anyone can use NDI like this without the interface dude…
NDI is actually pretty cool, I heard about this update literally a few days ago and It was amazing. Saving up for a DLZ :D
woooow thats craaazy his US$800 (C$1100) mixer got an update where he can play music so far away over his internet that he can't hear it anymore. Voicemeeter Potato has VBAN for like like US$15.00 but okkkay
I have a doubt regarding this amazing mixer. Could it be possible connect 2 pc at the same time? one for playing a game for example and the second one used just to recording/streaming by obs? Roadcaster II has 2 usb-c ports to do that without any problem... but Mackie DLZ creator maybe could use its usb-c port and another conexion as the 5/6 port (L/R) or maybe the stereo 7/8 port? Thanks a lot for your incredible and helpful videos man! I love them and always are great appreciated!
1st thanks for the info! I will be getting the DLZ and wonder how one setups up the NDI source on the non USB connected devices. I would like to use NDI to get the audio from two separate PC's to my stream PC. I have been looking but cannot find an Audio Only solution. Any help would be appreciated.
It’s not ‘Over the Internet’, the terms ‘over the network’ is the right one.
NDI is mostly used for Broadcasting, while Dante is commonly used in Audio Live and Recordings and more expensive device and protocols
Definately interested... but that price.... not currently a good idea for us
Hey Would love to see fantasy music for stream beats to use on DnD streams or playing bauldars gate content!
Just got mine in today and idk if I’m dumb but I cannot get this thing to work. Downloaded drivers but can’t figure out what is what in windows settings to get mic to come through or audio to headset. And no videos really to show setup on windows, just setup on device.
Hey there i have a question is it possible to request a video streaming related? If so is it possible for you to do a video on the using wireless earbuds( i plan on getting the soundcore vr 10 with its dongle). I was trying to switch over from wired headphones with mic which im currently using with the elgato hd60 x connected to my headset with the chat link pro. Cant remember but i think i heard there was issues with 2 mics? Have the wave 3 mic also along with headset mic.
So was trying to figure out how would i do that without issues?
So thaaaat's what NDI is. That's sick >:3
Apple? Time to spend more money to get less functionality!! 🤪
I wonder can I use it with like one of the road Castile devices this NDI feature
Live audio engineer here who regularly uses Dante, Audinates audio over IP, so the concept is nothing new to me. But this is still fantastic. It’s streamlined your setup and made everything much more efficient. Fantastic stuff!
Do you have any tips for a home studio setup where I want to send USB midi for longer than 3m? I have a table with my USB gear (synths, drum machines, interface etc.) on one side of my room and my desk on the other. I have a mic and other equipment at my desk and I want to bring my interface over to my desk too, while still keeping it linked with the midi gear on the other side of my room.
WHAT DOES STREAMLINE MEAN?
Hey great video, could you link that wallpaper you used on your curved screen please ?
Is it just the main output that can utilize NDI? Any NDI inputs? You also can't freely assign specific inputs to specific sliders right?
Rode's Procaster series still seems to be the one for dual PC setups, especially if you need your mic to go two both PCs. Rode hinted at bringing networked audio to the Procaster mixers at a tech show a few months back. They also said the next update will bring more virtual channels to the USB connections. I feel like that thing would be busted with more USB in/outs & a few NDI/Dante in/outs.
They hinted networked audio via Ethernet to me at its release, back in June 2022. 1 year, 3 months later it’s not there.
If you had to choose one. Would it be the Mackie or the Rode podcast 2
Great now u have to go to the next room to listen to what you’re browsing on the internet? Seems counter productive
I haven’t seen any review on this while recording music. Is this a good option for music production?
So, NDI is great, I use it every day as a technical director for large live events. But, I feel like Dante would be more useful for input and output and routing. Dante also is more reliable in my experience.
You're legit the only other person I've seen mention Dante. Let's be real, audio-over-ethernet is far from new. We've been able to do this for over a decade now... To me, this just felt like an advertisement.
@@TheFakeNewsFrog Yeah, it's also painfully obvious that this is a consumer product. I try to keep up with the prosumer gear. But talking about NDI routing like its never been done before is a bit ridiculous.
So... NDI? That's the "new" feature? NDI is just software-based Dante with more latency, is it not? If you actually know what you're buying, and why you're buying it, you could of done this over a decade ago. This is clearly a advertainment aimed at 'normies'.
How was the NDI/Audio --> Mouse Click Delay? I tried to use OBS to send NDI from my streaming PC, to NDI on my streaming Mac -- and the delay was total garbage :)
NDI? Non-Destructive Inspection...Yes..but no.
I doubt this is even for 1% of your viewers. Shoot, not even .01%.
I been looking into antelope and such audio interfaces.
hi! Nice Video. I would like to get this Mackie too, but i only need one Microfone. If i would be able to take the other 3 Fader of Mic to virtual Devices from my Computer like Spotify, Firefox, Games and so on, it would be the perfect thing for me.
Could anyone please inform me how to connect my Mackie Dlz creator to my M1 Macbook pro? Are there any drivers needed? I'm trying to connect to logic pro X and i can't !
Voicemeeter VBAN physically. Not bad👍🏻
80% of the video is about the NDI stuff. streaming audio over network is something possible for many many years some options more some less comfortable. no idea why you point that out so much. that isnt fair to the Mackie to reduce it to NDI. The Mackie might be the king cause of many other reasons but not cause kind of a "Bonus Function" like NDI.
Can I stream audio from another interface?
This may be stupid question but can I use two separate PC's (a Windows PC and a MAC), have 1 connected via USB C and the other via NDI and be able to use the one mic across both PC's or is NDI output only? Use case is the Mac is used for work (mic needed for Teams) and the PC is for gaming. Would like to use the DLZ across both devices. This can be done with the Rodecaster Pro 2 but nor really sure what the full extent of NDI is.
Shout out to the colorgrade on this video
Hi Senpai, Just checking if u still recommend this mackie DLZ and if ur happy with the firmware updates since u bought it? Im intending to use in it in a church setting where there are only 3 mics used and am sending signal into an atem extreme. I am conscious that it doesnt have remote app control but I dont think thats the end of the world ad I will have the mixer next to me upstairs in the gallery at the back of the chapel where I have my two cameras and another underneath staircase. Thats for the great video. Im also interested in ndi but its just something I migt not use if I cant also control levels remotely. I forgot to say that someone else controls the in house pa mix so this mixer would only be for my recording. Im not live streaming but rather using atem as a quicker way to edit videos in post using Premiere Pro.
Thanks for the video. Seems like a great feature to stream audio bi-directionally. Can you maybe do a tutorial video on how to set this up on both computers, I'm in the market for a new mackie mixer.
Ive had rhe mackie for about 6 months now..and that update will change hiw u edit and stream vidoes
If i can send the recording to my streaming to editing rig thats...ya i think my mackie dlz is better than rodes anyday id pepsi challenge any other interface...yes it was 800 bucsk slot moe ths. The rode duo now but the screen the workflow its amazing
Does this have good mic processing like the rode caster duo?
sooooo its like a live audio console, Yamaha for instance has Dante which is audio over ethernet. that's wonderful. But! ur entire system needs to be NDI compatible?
I don't need it.
*NDI enters the chat yet again for the 10 billionth time*
I NEED IT.
Interesting mixer I’m going to try to get for the next thing.
Which low profile mic arm are you using on your nice clean desk? The Blue one is so bad.
Just checking if ur still daily using this mixer and whether ur happy with it. Couks u tell me whether this would be good for a three mic conference setup? The one pity about this mixer is it cant be controlled with an iPad if im not near the mixer.
Does it support virtual devices? Like the new update on the roadcaster 2 ?
My thought is I could use this to not only stream what I am doing in music production but when doing reviews so instead of using a digital coaxial cable to another interface but do not have the control this has and this NDI might mean I can streamline this process, have more control and also move a setup around the house.
Not idea if this is possible to get audio from another interface as this was not answered and maybe this the failing and silence usually follows such questions as my last one did.
could i play my ps5 through my computer speakers this way since my monitor doesnt have speakers? currently using the go xlr on my main setup
Great video. Would love to see your thoughts and impressions with the Roland Bridge Cast X.
It's just like DANTE Audio Network
Just wondering if ur still happy with this DLZ since u bought it? Would u buy it again if u had the choice?
You didn't ask for this in this video, but I wanted to give it anyway.
A random emoji to help. 😁
Random Question @Senpai; do you use a sub with your HS8's? and great video thank you.
Pro Audio guy here:
Why not Dante :( multi channel, multi destination audio in a very low latency
@senpai does it support wireless headphones, I see a USB port. If you don't know, try it.
could this be used with music production? i am wanting a mixer for both streaming and music production
You could always have sealing mounted the speakers...
Daddy daughter date to Apple Store- first of many I’m sure!❤
i complained about them not being able to interface on like 6 of their ads xD. already got my rodecaster pro 2 tho lol
Does this have virtual input and output channels like the goxlr? I really can't go without them anymore
For me the CQ-18T is the shit with RME audio interfaces.
I have a dual PC setup and a PS5 - can this replace my GOXLR?
Dude! That is cool. Big question? You talked about sending audio through the wan from one location to another. Can one person on OBS output to NDI and then send it to someone else through through the WAN so it can be used as a vid/audio source? That wayn having if you did a podcast with someone else they can use OBS on thei r subide. You use OBS on yourside and capture or live stream it to youtube. IS that possible? That way we would connect two OBSs remotely where the connecting is being done externally through NDS. IS that possible or am I draming?
I have a genuine question: whats the point of the shotgun mic on the low profile arm? Is it an aesthetics thing?
Can you use the DLZ as a DAW controller and are the faders motorized
Ughhh Literally just purchased and integrated the RCP2 into my set up because of the 2 PC support, If i'd known about this i probably would have gone with the Mackie!
Yo. Every now and then I find a sick new product here, or I learn something about a product I already have. But most of the time I just want to see this dude be stoked about a/v stuff.
Like I don’t care about this thing, it’s neat, I’ll never buy it, I have no use for one, I can’t afford it.
*BUT I watched the whole video* 😊
Also NDI was how the Cylons took out the entire Battlestar fleet. 😮
Just show us the product instead of showing us your face
how did you switch the speakers with the steam deck
Was wondering the same.
gotta be a plugin to switch audio profiles on the mixer? Or maybe camera magic :)
I was using the Elgato Wave Link app. On the Stream Deck there is a native plugin that lets you toggle between two audio outputs. It's one of my favorites.
NDI sounds really cool
This is better than the Rodecaster Pro II?
Well, it's either going to be this or a Rode Procaster being as my GoXLR is waiting to go to the tech graveyard.
I don't understand how you say it's not connected But you use an ethernet cable and it's connected?
just be careful when watching porn LOL
Just wondered if the unit has added the feature to mute monitor out, when mic faders are opened like the rode 2.
If you really want to have your mind blown start looking into Dante