The Real Reason Why Chara Wants Everyone DEAD! Undertale Theory | UNDERLAB
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Chara is one of the single most mysterious and intimidating characters within Undertale. Possessing the form of a small, rosey-cheeked child, first impressions betray the very image of innocence. However, what lies behind the facade is the calculating mind of a sociopath so intelligent that they could bring ruin to the entire world... but how? Watch and find out!
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How to start a fight in Undertale fandom:
Pronounced "Chara" or "Khara"?
*hides*
Khara😍
I don't mind both
ChArA
Chara
Wait, didn't Frisk land on Chara's corpse?
I mean, who wouldn't be pissed?
Me: Get off me bish!!
Austrian Bish (................N O P E)
Yeah
Nah, pretty sure Chara was buried at the tree with the leaves that keep dying
Tyler Evan no
Why does Sans look like he's having a good time with a knife in his head in the thumbnail?
edit: all of my comments get popular but all of the replies always say im an idiot and i love it lol
I know right lol
Because hes felt it too much
Because he becomes underfell sans
If you dont know underfell sans has a cracked head
I noticed xd
he's so used to hiding all the pain that he doesn't react to a knife in his skull? idk
5:04
Ok, lemme stop ya right there, bud.
You seem to be confused on the canonical properties of determination.
The reason determination causes monsters to melt is because of the fact that they don't have the physical matter to contain it like humans.
While humans are made of flesh, liquid, and bone, monsters are mostly comprised of, and sometimes even entirely made of magic, which the liquid-like determination mixes with, causing melting.
In fact, though Undyne might seem to be an outlier, I can actually use her as an example of "physical containment."
Because of how much is known other than melting monsters and saves, it is fully possible that determination acts on some sort of mental switch.
If this were the case, Undyne's armor can contain it for her when in action.
The reason the amalgamates melted wasn't because of the determination itself, but rather it's effect on the magic that the monsters are made of.
That is all.
Marcelo Usseglio Oohhhhh i understand
No i think that in the genocide route Undyne is the heroine and she is to strong and pure to let the determination kill her
thats one big pile of writing
@AleNoConstancy wrong as hell
@AleNoConstancy Listen, we never heard of anything to do with fusing armour, however my point has lots lots of evidence, undyne talks about determination a hole lot, she is involved with alphys and alphys has a lot to do with determination so something could have happened there, the list goes on.
Also ima sub 2 your channel u seem like a cool dude
Or maybe because the player started the route, and Chara grew attached to the killing after they realized how powerful they can become.
-_-
@@nob0dy27_ -_-
Yup =)
-_-
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GET'S IT!
*Waits for vid to play*
...
Realizes it was paused
I've done that a LOT of times
Lol
LOL where did you get this?! This is hilarious! You have a really good sense of humor!
We can all relate
@@beta4735 same
Why chara killed everyone
No one had chocolate
excaliber extreme gaming ....nope
@@sauce5066 Its A jole idiot
Im laughing so hard
That's 100 likes and im the last
No because papyrus could us his full power and never die if sans scrafic him self for papyrus
Toriel: Wait, what are you holding??!
Me IRL: WTF is wrong with my burger?????
it.
has.
PICKLES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What's wrong with my chocolate? (I am actually eating chocolate)
Sigh now I want a burger
@@lennontheanimaticwizard7453 same dude
Guys I killed toriel becuase I was gonna die,and stay there,dies it ruin the game?
I like how everyone in the thumbnail is dead but sans is all like “heya i’ve gotta knife stuck in my head, got that going for me.”
Hi BWD you're my favourite character from Kirby
Egbert de Zee thanks
@@egbertdezee702 sans:tis but a scratch
That's my halloween costume and the blood is ketchup
Welp ketch you later ;)
He technicaly shouldnt have a brain since he is a skeleton, so he cant die from brain damage
I personally feel that Chara was neither good or evil before her fall. She was a helpless child, possibly abused by humanity, consumed with hatred and rage when she fell. I also believe she found refuge with the Dreemurs and was genuinely happy with them, but wanted to help them escape the Underground and was ok with killing humans to do it. (In fact, living with monsters may have fueled their hatred more, by seeing their hardship). I believe the buttercups incident with Asgore was an accident, and that Chara's laughing was because she finally understood what she could do, maybe in a sense of brokenness. This would also explain why Asriel was so unnerved by her behavior. Chara willingly poisoned herself to save monsterkind, and planned all along for Asriel to absorb her SOUL so they could cross the barrier and kill 6 other humans to free the Underground. But I also feel that when faced with humans again, Chara was consumed with rage and bitterness, and also wanted to kill them to save Asriel. After Asriel's death, Chara's SOUL vanished along with his dust. Toriel stole Chara's corpse from the castle's basement and buried her where she first fell in the Ruins, where golden flowers grew over her grave. I believe that when Frisk landed on this bed of flowers that their determination awakened Chara, and her soulless spirit latched onto them. Remember that when Asriel became Flowey (his consciousness in a flower, but with no SOUL), he was void of all emotions or love. I believe the same thing happened to Chara, since her SOUL disappeared after Asriel died. Therefore, Frisk's actions at that point either awaken the best or worst of Chara's personality. If pacifist, you remind Chara of the good times with her monster family and she will help you in trying to save them. If genocide, you awaken that hatred and she will thoughtlessly try to slaughter everyone (as seen by how Chara possesses Frisk and kills Asgore/Flowey without the player's action). Flowey told you that he even started out being really nice to people before he eventually decided to torture them, proving that Chara could go either way without a SOUL. Chara is true neutral as a character inherently, with no SOUL to have a moral compass anymore, swayed by however the player (Frisk) plays the game.
I agree completely, and would like to add that I believe that Chara remains evil (instead of regaining empathy like Asriel did when he had souls) because she takes on your bastard murdersoul after erasing the timeline where you kill everyone she ever cared about.
I believe that Chara is who we made them, when they awake, we can show that humans can show compassion through the pacifist route, or confirm their past thoughts that all humans are evil through the genocide route. Chara is a young and impressionable child, at least to me, and what we do effects who they are.
Exactly they sacrificed there life for monsters freedom
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@@m4zked._m4rionette I thought of that myself when I realized she was the narrator, but that video really helped me put the thoughts together better in my head.
FACTS
Chara could be evil because they wanted to finish what Asriel couldn’t; kill humanity. Chara said that we eradicated the enemy and became strong. And when you kill, you can earn more LV or XP, which makes you stronger. And Chara said that the reason behind their incarnation is power, from YOU. YOU sell them your soul, filled with the power you made from killing. A couple more Genocide routes, and more souls to sell, Chara could use that power and erase humanity entirely.
Also, Jayson Karrender, Chara didn’t did this to just free the monsters, they did this to kill humanity.
I think in every route Chara accompany the player
You only meet Chara in genocide -_-
@@katuwu2832 eh, there is a theory with some large evidence that chara is the narrator in all routes (if you say that chara is only the red text, red and yellow text is meant to show strong emotion in undertale)
Phoenix Henderson
Oh okay
I think Chara is evil but I don’t wanna start a fandom war here so-
Have a great day Owo
@@katuwu2832 chara is the player when you don't see frisk so chara is controlling frisk making it seem like frisk is evil
I think that irl us is Chara that’s why they make us name the fallen human thinking it’s us
Player: killing everyone
Also player: Chara why are you killing everyone?!
finally someone gets it
Exactly
... it doesn't work like that, dude.
@@spefor-rx it does tho
Who chooses to kill everybody???
You push Chara to her limits making her evil
And in pacifist she gives to memory’s Asreil
@ɪᴄᴇ ᴄʀᴇᴀᴍ except of course in underswap
APPARENTLY THERW HOTH GREAT
I think her name is pronounced “Kara” like “Character”, hence; “Chara”.
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Makayla, wtf?
Makayla 😱
Ch-ar-a, that’s how I’d say it, you have you’re opinion:)
Kara? Imo Chara Sounds way better.
Player: **kills all of the monsters**
Also player: How could Chara do this?
When your the imposter and you have to blame someone:
@@m4zked._m4rionette Not funny didn't laugh
True
Lets just pretend they didn't poison Asgore and then laugh about it-
Or when they poisoned themselves and piloted the Asriel/Chara body to go attack humans... only to have ASRIEL refuse and walk their combined body back to the Underground.
@@TheSkyGuy77 “cHara laughed at AsGoRe being poisoned!!” No, they didn’t. There are tons of characters in the game that use laughter as a coping mechanism for pain.
Sans tells jokes despite being depressed, the villagers in Snowdin laugh away their sadness, Snowdrake’s father describes his sad life, laughs, then says “that’s not funny”. Toriel and Undyne laugh when they’re about to die, Mettaton literally says “My poor love! I’m so filled with grief, I can’t stop laughing!”
After some thinking, what if this physical form of Chara at the end of the genocide route, is actually like flowey. They both don’t have souls. Just like how flowey is always hateful and wanting to kill, Chara is the same way. They weren’t evil when they were alive but are now considered evil with how they are acting when we meet them.
chara end Geno form is his corpse
Wait does that mean that the genocide player doesnt have a soul
Makes sense
No It doesnt
*Stop Creating plotholes*
Chara is Chara and they always wanted mercy. Read my comment for more details
chara didn't kill anyone.
@@StoryShift_Chara Yeah. The player did though.
Well then. sans does go out easily. You throw a toy knife at his skull and it goes straight through it. Neato burrito.
=(
I agree!I also want to kill sans
Shadow...
I think that Mewtwo is the ultimate lifeform of pokemon
*Insert random fresh farmer milk (tm) ad here*
Selene Darkshot MAAATE?
CHARA WANTS THEM DEAD SO SHE CAN HAVE ALL THE CHOCOLATE
AND KING MELS SONGS FOR FREE! XD
Chara and Frisk Dreemurr chara's genderless
Yup
mc Charles yep. I ink frisk and chara are girls cuz..
WELL LOOK AT THEM!
*think
Chara:did u just assumend my gender m8
I find it interesting that Chara includes gold as a stat, since even in pacifist you have to gain gold.
chara is NOT EVIL. your can blame them all you want, BUT THAT THING IS YOU. NOT MEANT RO REPRESENT YOU, BUT IS LITEARLLY YOU.
@@brainlessguy1 I did not say that
@@brandyt890 what you said suggests that you think chara is evil.
because most stats in the game are bad.
@@brainlessguy1 How does that suggest that they were evil? I simply said something they said was interesting. I stated nothing regarding the morality of the character.
@@brandyt890 you win. you are clearly more determined then me. puns.
"who could come up with a plan where one of the steps is the death of the Mastermind?" - well, Dumbledore, Walter white in the end, 11 year old Ron Weasley during the chess game
Because her parents always drove past McDonald's?
🤗 Hehehehehe! Wait Why Would They Care About Diving By MCDONALD'S IT'S REALLY BAD!
+Cookie.L.Heart AndTheCookieClub Idk XD I personally hate McDonald's.
+Marian Fira Thank you uwu.
Magic Ma'am finally a non judgment boy fan (crazy animals)comment
Magic Ma'am chara's genderless
Where The Hell Is The Chara Defence Squad *puts up a shop for pitchforks*
were right here...
*Gives 5$*
*Takes pitchfork*
*Me:* Thanks!
Here! *Takes Two* ahh here is a 5 dollar tip
*takes pitchfork*
Right here
How to start a fight in the Undertale Fandom.
“So Frisk was so determined that *HIS* determination woke up Chara and *SHE* wanted to destroy the world”
I agree with this
Nope
I think frisk is a boy and chara is a girl
theyre genderless because toby fox wanted you to choose chara and frisks gender
Pedro Miguel they are girls
People: "Chara is pure evil!"
me: "That's stupid... stop being stupid..."
Other People: "Chara is totally innocent and a total good person!"
Me: "That's also stupid. Why are you all stupid?"
Seriously...
Chara is the best character in the story BECAUSE there clearly not good/evil. Or rather they are a complicated character.
CaptainsEyePatch 😎
they're obviously good, they just aren't innocent
Chara is a sinnamon roll!
@@ZaxorVonSkyler No they are neutral stop ruining them
@@JamieBlarbAndErwin Chara is a complex character not neutral. How did I ruin them?
Actually the monsters in the thumbnail aren't dead because they didn't turn to dust
Tiffany Cabana
Thumbnail Chara is just playing Monarch of the Mountain! =)
PLOT TWIST!!! DUN DUN DUUUUN!!!
They're just knocked out
Gasp. Monsters are not monsters!
Light Switch LOL UNDERLAB IS REKT
You know you're early when you get here before King Mel.
Underlab: and what could possibly be more powerful than that?
Me and Gaster: Gaster A.K.A. The Man Who Speaks In Hands.
this'll be easy. Cookies! A.K.A the mystery man
who's to say there is no connection between the two
Heres somthing weird TMWSIH. Guess what that says
I get triggered when “determination” is getting way dramatic-er than its definition...
Determination (in this case)-When you keep on trying to succeed
Determination (what is getting dramatic)-When a being becomes demonic and savage
Well... you can’t spell determination with out termination!
I'm late BUT, you're incredibly wrong. Undertale isn't like our world at all, it has its own properties. Determination is just a nickname for some powerful energy and/or power that can invade an entire universe. To make a long story short, undertale was created to show the power of the SOUL, we the player are the SOUL energy. There is a HUGE subreddit on this topic and now that deltarune is out everything is coming together for who we are as the player. Chara is not a villain, in fact, they wanted to take 6 human souls to break the barrier (that was their plan with Asriel). Determination was absorbed through the human SOULs by Dr. Alphys to try and allow monster SOULs to persist like the human SOULs do. It failed and caused the amalgamated monster mess thingy (true lab section, yk the story). This proves the existence of determination. Flowey mentions that he cannot go back to his SAVE file anymore because apparently our determination, is much more powerful than his. Sans calls us an anomaly and is aware of our power. This next part is a theory but our role as the game player is to enter a universe and change the storyline with determination. We don't belong in Undertale, yet somehow we interfere with the universe and choose the path for Chara who is possessing Frisk. If we teach Chara to be friendly and go pacifst, they will follow that path and learn to be good, vice versa with the genocide run. Basically, determination is a huge thing in the Undertale universe and we kind of pry into the universe and play around with everything for fun or smth like that. Determination is VERY VERY important.
in the underrate universe, determination isn't just the will to succeed. In underrate, it's the power to override the timeline, the will to live after death, the things that created the amalgamates, shattered the exsistence of WD Gaster, melted Undyne if you choose to kill her in neutral and pacifist routes and more. Determination is so much more than trying to succeed. In this case, determination is what (in theory) started the corruption of Chara. If it weren't for determinations, Gaster would still be alive, Amalgamates wouldn't exist and so much more of the story would change or wouldn't happen at all. Determination is one of, if not the most important aspect of Undertale's (semi-existent) fourth wall.
@@lennontheanimaticwizard7453 that was executed perfectly
Sigh. When will people understand that US THE PLAYERS are the killers, not Chara..?
SAME. both of us are the only people that understand the truth
She is neutral
When will people stop acting like small children screaming "IM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG"
When will people understand what a opinion is....
@@user-wl3zk6kj3q sorry but, player which mean US has a REALLY HUGE place in the story.
Because of course we're the one who chooses to do fight or mercy, we were the one who got to have the decision. And even the smallest decision has it own outcomes in the story. So yes, we the player indeed take a really huge place in the story AS FRISK.
Why chara jumped down the hole:
Fidget spinners.
Everyone agreed that it was a dark reason, why chara hated humanity.
Trev w plays Good for you.
she tripped on something. watch the intro
8:22
No one:
Literally no one:
Every Gravity Falls fan:
*BiLl CiPhEr*
sans in a thumbnail:heyya kiddo,i just found a knife in the ruins and it flinged landing to my head,leaving a crack while its stuck
Um...what IS your basis that Chara actually wanted everyone dead? It seems that everyone wants Chara to be the bad guy; their scapegoat for their actions. At the end of Genocide, they specifically state that YOU, the Player, were responsible for all this, and they even state that they were confused, their plan had failed, and they thought they had failed. But then, because of the Player's actions, they thought they were reincarnated to help the Player achieve power. But, after another Genocide run, they say you have a 'perverted sentimentality' and does not understand why continue to recreate and destroy the world. Heck, they even TELL you to do another ending, one where you don't kill EVERYONE. And, those who say Chara forced them into killing everyone...no. You have so many opportunities to stop. You could stop, and RESET whenever you wanted. Even at the end, when you're about to kill Flowey, there's a moment of hesitation, where YOU have to decide to kill him or not. That was literally your last chance to take it all back and RESET. To me, Chara just wanted to help their family and was willing to sacrifice their own life for the sake of the monsters, who had raised them as their own.
Now, I won't ignore the fact that they hated humanity, but that's because of the implied reason that Chara was abused on the surface. And when Asriel was on the surface being attacked by the humans, they wanted to use their full power because they knew that their plan was going to fail and Asriel would die. They would never want to see their best friend killed in the end.
In Post Pacifist however, these are the consequences of YOUR actions. Chara makes sure you KNOW that there are consequences to killing everyone they knew and loved, will never let you get your happy ending.
In the True Pacifist run too, at the end where Frisk reaches out to 'Somebody Else', it's Chara they reach out to for help, and Chara helps Asriel remember the good times they had, and to remember their compassion.
Let's be real; if Chara wanted everyone dead, they could kill Asriel, absorb his Boss Monster soul, and kill everything and everyone with ease. There would be no need for such an elaborate 'plan', unless those were never their intentions.
In the end, yeah Chara wasn't the greatest person, but that doesn't mean they were a BAD person. Just someone who's made some bad decisions. It's in the same way that Asriel isn't a bad person, they've just made some bad choices.
If Asriel who was a homicidal flower, or even Asgore who murdered six human children can be forgiven for their mistakes, why not forgive Chara for their plan not succeeding when they tried to SAVE everyone?
Sorry for the long paragraph, but I just don't understand how people can see Chara as the bad person if they don't even take into consideration that THIS IS A GAME. And you can do whatever YOU want. If you wanna kill everyone, or spare everyone, or anything in between, YOU CAN.
Pikachu15 Toby left it up to interpretation. Wether they're evil or not is up to you.
I've always wondered if the world was ever actually destroyed by Chara. I've always gotten the impression that Frisk killed Chara before he/she could destroy the world and because Chara gained all their determination they reloaded back to before they died... at the moment they gave soul to Asriel. Of course, saying no prevents the entire plot of Undertale so of course saying no will prevent you from playing the game... it never exists to play.
+Bruce wyane
Well, I did forget to add that this was partly my opinion, and I don't want to disrespect these guys since they are a good channel, but I don't see their basis on how Chara was evil or not. I know that this is up to interpretation, but I just really hate so many people hate Chara and call them evil etc when the Player is the one who committed Genocide in the first place. Nothing bad would've happened if they didn't play Genocide, even though it is part of the main experience and message Undertale may be trying to project.
Really, I don't see why there's so much hate for a child, when you look at it from an unbiased view. They make it seem like Chara IS a bad person, and it isn't even up to debate. They say, and I quote '...they undeniably possess unfathomable power and horrifying intentions...' from their comment, and I don't like how they stated it as if it was fact. But in the end, it's my mainly opinion.
Like I just said, I call into question whether or not Chara was even the one speaking at the end of the game. I have a sneaking suspicion that both of them are talking. I think when Chara says "I am the feeling when increase" they are trying to convey to the player that in some way they are what allows beings like Sans to detect their evil intentions. They aren't the evil possessing Frisk. They are the only thing left standing between Frisk and the utter extermination of mankind: they're conscience.
I don't think Chara is literally their conscience. I just mean that I think Chara's been in some way unable to make real impact and so they stats and things that Sans and Flowey and others can detect to watch for abusers of determination is something that Chara does.
After all, the code that checks whether you just killed something didn't kill that thing in the game. It just detected it and incremented the value. Chara is likely the entity that does that altering. They're the world's bookeeper.
+Great Duck
That is certainly an interesting theory, though I don't think that that's the case, though it may be plausible.
The reason I don't think that's the case is that if Chara was Frisk's conscience, then does that mean Chara was nothing but a figment of Frisk's imagination?
They did say they were awakened by Frisk's DT, but in your logistics, wouldn't that mean Frisk didn't have a conscience before that? And if they were on watch for abusers of DT, why didn't they step in Flowey was doing all the RESETS? Or stop Frisk earlier in the Genocide run?
What I think, which is up to speculation, is that Chara became something like a complicated ghost, that was reawakened by Frisk's DT, as their soul was once upon a time one of DT as well. They followed Fisk and helped them along their journey, narrating things as they go. Depending on which path you take, Chara could be an optimist, a pessimist, or downright messed up, since they are watching everything you do. It would also explain why when you battle Asgore and Toriel the narration is silent, and such. Really, I'm a big fan of the Narrator Chara theory, and I think it has many plausible points.
Though, in the Geno run, I think that they power that you've been obtaining; your LV, is being fed into Chara, giving them power. That may be why they were able to appear physically in front of the Player, and ultimately ERASE the world, which is the consequence of the Player's actions.
You do realize that the buttercups incident with Asgore could very well be an accident, right? They were a young child, it would be easy for someone so young to mistake buttercups for cups of butter, you know. Also, you always seem to forget that the player is the one who incites genocide. If Chara really wanted genocide, and could possess Frisk to do so, wouldn't True Pacifist be impossible? They pretty much outright tell you that pacifist/neutral is a better path to take. "Another path is better suited." They even say that you are "wracked with a perverted sentimentality" and that they "cannot understand these feelings anymore." The post genocide pacifist endings are reminders of what YOU did to them. It is not a sign that they killed them all, it is a sign that YOU are responsible for your own actions. And um what? They CLEARLY loved the Dreemurrs as you can see with the sweater they made for Asgore and the art. Their plan was to FREE THE MONSTERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Why would they go to all that length to free them, JUST TO KILL THEM? Chara is only as evil as you imagine Asgore to be. Asgore did what Chara had planned to do. And it is kinda obvious that what happened on the surface with Asriel was self defence. The humans attack first, Chara wants Asriel to fight back because he will DIE if he doesn't. Asriel refused to fight back and walked away, which means that Chara didn't even try to force him to fight back with the half and half control they had. They obviously didn't want their best friend to die, so they clearly loved him. The Dreemurrs were kind and generous to them, which they know. Chara is the narrator of Undertale, very clearly seen when you check a mirror on a genocide path "It's me, Chara". They show HOPE when Undyne the Undying appears. "The Heroine who NEVER gives up." And despair when she starts melting, "...". Think of all the funny narrator moments, that is Chara. They are PESSIMISTIC in the genocide run "The bag is half empty" and OPTIMISTIC in the pacifist. "The bag is half full." The pacifist ending is what Chara wanted all along, isn't it? All the monsters free on the surface where they belong. The pacifist ending is their redemption from their failed attempt at freeing them. Also, Asgore says you remind him of Chara on the PACIFIST run. Not the genocide run, where he thinks you're a monster. I'm pretty sure Chara's adoptive parents would've noticed something off about their personality. They were just a 9-10 year old child. Their plan simply put was to free the monsters. Which, when you think about it, are good motives. The plan wasn't to KILL ALL THE HUMANS, it was to free monsters wrongly stuck underground. Their plan wasn't perfect, but what perfect plan can a freaking ten year old make?! They just want their monster friends to be free. No one in Undertale is meant to be irredeemably evil, Asriel got forgiveness for what he did. Every character in Undertale has their flaws, even Papyrus. Undertale teaches not to judge others, so why do we judge Chara so harshly? They are the scape goat of the game. We blame them for a route WE decided to partake of. We blame them for killing everyone, when we were the ones to click FIGHT. Chara is just a very misunderstood Chara-cter. (Get it?)
Jacky Rubou it's up for interpretation. Wether chara is evil is up to each person.
Undertale isn't black and white, you should know that by now. And why does it matter that "Underlab is better at theories than JB"? That doesn't make their theory wrong! There is a LOT more evidence supporting Chara not being an evil genocidal maniac!
Fine you think what you want to think, I can't change it.
*facepalm* Really... some people are so stubborn. Heres something to prove you're wrong.
You're saying your opinion of which theorist is better. THEY ARE EQUAL. BOTH ARE REALLY GOOD. THERE IS NO WAY TO SAY WHICH IS BETTER.
And Judgement boy made two Chara episodes to prove their point. DETERMINATION at the finest.
So please stop saying, "Underlab is better than Judgement Boy," because there is NO WAY to say really which theory is better. Sure, Underlab may be more popular, but does popularity help theory-wise? No. Well, in your thing...
Yes.
However, thats just the fact more people like them more. Doesn't say JB's theories are ineffective or worse, just means this:
Underlab looks better.
You used looks in your theory basically. You're basically proven wrong now.
Jacky Rubou yeah
mettaton: do you hear that winderful noise?
me: yea i hear your voice
Congrats your officially a part of the mettaton fan club
Why chara wanted to kill everyone:
They didn't, the player did, argument over.
THANK YOU
It's sad that they still didn't give the real ending this is why i hate games without a story I'm not a fan of this game no more
"Frisk, when and I combined our SOULs together...
The control over our body was actually split between us.
They were the one that picked up their own empty body.
And then, when we got to the village...
*They were the one that wanted to...*
*... to use our full power.* " - Asriel Dreemur
Soulless pacifist tell something to you?
@@spefor-rx to make you feel guilty for the genocide
-_- chara. is only. able to watch as you kill their entire family and they have no power to stop it until the end of the genocide because of how much lv you gained.
Flame Raven true
Flame Raven ähm...no...Your always speaking in 3rd Person, but in Genocide you talk in 1st Person which means that Chara is talking and is probably controlling you
Flame Raven
And then watch them get the blame
Yara DB only in the end hecause u have a lot of lv
Yara DB how can they be "controling" you??? the only times that the protagonist moves/does something on thier own is near the end of genocide - running up to monster kid, 2nd attack on sans, oblirating flowey to ashes, & in pacifist/neutral route stepping forward to omega flowey,
other then that
its *YOU* the player that
*controls them*
bUT
CHaRa
DoeSN'T
WAnT
EVerYoNE
DeAD
Peeble Kitty yes. Thats right. The player is the one who kills everyone, not Chara
ever heard of sarcasm?
They just wanna free the monsters. Sure they erased the timeline at the end of a genocide run but only because we corrupted them
When you play the pacifist route after playing genocide she kills off everyone. Even has X over their faces on the photo at the end.
She only wants to kill humans
*CHARA PROTECTION SQUAD, ACTIVATE!*
*Throws pitchfork at this video*
*steals undynes spears*
DONT COME AFTER THE DEAD CHILD!
(Grabs chainsaw) *STAY AWAY FROM DA CHILD*
ATTACK
Hell ya
This is not true.... You killed everyone I loved yet you call ME evil?
@Kogershin Kaium I didn't that was your fault.
@Kogershin Kaium in my defense I couldn't stop you because I'm dead until you landed on my grave which where the flowers and then do genocide. I didn't give you love you gained it yourself you heartless-
@Kogershin Kaium i didn't your soul did.
If Chara doesn't kill everyone ever, then what soulless pacifist ending means?
There can be more then one bad guy and in Undertale there is more then one villain. The Player maybe responsible for Genocide route but that doesn't mean they are the only evil that exist in the underground.
What type of scientist is alphys
A paleontologist
Braeden Asz169872 okay that was a good one
*Insert comment about how Chara isn't the villian*
Edit:Yeah i spelled it wrong also Chara really isn't the bad guy/girl... there most likely the narrator
Dj_Flare lol
You right tho
TRUE
SHE'S THE VILLIAN BEACUSE SHE KILLS PEOPLE IDIOT
Yandere Chan By that logic your the villain in every video game with combat
Chara is just "character" without the "ter".
You mean without the "cter."
Karak.
“Charac”
*C H A R A C*
_a h. y e s. c h a r a c_
Toriel: WHAT ARE YOU HOLDING MY CHILD?!?
me irl: whats wrong with my phone? wait... HAVE YOU SEEN MY ICONS?!?
I'm holding a phone now
You should do a video where you include several small theories. Here's some of my ideas for theories you can talk about for just maybe 2 minutes:
How does Undertale relate to Alice in Wonderland?
Why do Sans and Papyrus resemble human skeletons, rather than monster ones.
Since I'm not commenting within 5 hours of the upload, so this will be probably lost in the sea of comments. Anyone who sees this please like so he can see!
Triggered Alpyhs in the beginning
Edit:and I guess Chara didn't like the way alphys said their name..so they murdered alphys..wow
Another edit:I made this comment about a year ago,why does it have so many likes-
Daiyan ! I actually didn't notice that,thanks
Ticci Elizabeth i actually think alphys said chara's name right
Genisis Soul alphys said Khara
That was just to highlight the pronunciation difference between the two different ways of saying Chara.
Ticci Elizabeth Nah
Underlab: *mis-pronounces Chara's name*
Alphys: *TRIGGERED*
(Chara didn't kill ANYONE).
Sweet Man Cay she killed herself instead
actually she killed flowey, but that is only because she was doing the same thing as the player was doing.
@@konekomochii-channya6080 debatable
They did kill the player and or frisk
@@konekomochii-channya6080 chara gives you one more chance to turn around and reset but the PLAYER forces them to kill their best freind
968 views
132 likes
finally youtube is sober again
I AM INSANITY wah?
What's the problem bruh
Its a joke because sometimes youtube will show 5 views 100 likes or something of the sort
Honestly, I think the Genocide route is actually pretty fair (And I never played Genocide). It's not Chara who is making you do the killing, it's the player themselves. They are the ones to blame, not Chara. So in the Genocide ending, no matter what, Chara takes your soul. I think it's pretty fair considering you killed all those monsters. And even...Chara's family.
you're so right, everyone thinks Chara killed all the monsters like an idiot, and you're doing the genocide yourself how could chara have killed chara if chara had killed everyone, the player (Frisk) wouldn't have acted
you play as chara who has possesed frisk no matter what route you do
"I never played Genocide"
Wait in the beginning chara was alive but frisk was dead...
But they’re the same persoo...
(Pulls out knife) shut up
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Oh no you don't
?????????????? -_- saaaay whaaaaaaaaaat
No.
Chara is the first fallen human , and Asriel's first (and maybe , the only ?) friend.
Frisk is the name of the Eight fallen child , that you control along the game .
Check on Wiki .
Title: "The REAL reason why Chara wants everyone DEAD!"
Me: "they don't."
YES.
I always saw Chara as something demonic with a child host.
When you "save" Chara in the fight with Asriel, you are removing the malignant force from the child.
I might be wrong, but I dont think we ever saved Chara. We saved Asriel
+Jermu Ristolainen "Maybe you can save someone else"
You choose the option to save someone else.
"You call out there name"
And THEN you save Asriel.
I believe you use Chara's memories to save Asriel.
Good point
But you didnt really "save" chara in that case, you used chara to save asriel
+Jermu Ristolainen
But, dude,
"SAVE someone else!"
You still saved Chara!
But the "someone else" is Asriel.....
Whatever its up to you
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Chara wants everyone dead (including Frisk)?!
No u
Player is a person who plays games such as Roblox,Minecraft,fortnite,undertale
GO FCED UP WITH UR DUMB WORD OF BLAMING PEOPLE
I DON’T PLAY UNDERTALE BUT IM A PLAYER
SHUT UP
Gian Garcia first of all, you are assuming the word player is a subject which is not necessarily true. Second, there is something called relation. If the subject of the topic is Undertale (to tell the topic, just look what is the video saying) Then it will be related to undertale; so if someone say the game is interesting, even though they didnt say which game, you should know which are they talking about because of the topic. Also he said player, not gamer big difference (player is the person playing a game and gamer is the person playing games). Finally, he didnt even blame anyone, elaborate further. TL;DR your english is dog shit, cant differentiate a player and a gamer, you need to grow up.
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Chara kills Frisk because Frisk is killing Flowey
@Hoocher Yep frisk is da player
3:36
......but I thought humans can’t turn into amalgamates....... (then who did she fuse with if she’s the only human?)
Chara in pacifist after she tells you to do that run when you do the no mercy run twice:
*heh heh
*thank you
Chara in genocide:
*You laugh, and keep laughing
*It’s SO funny, you can’t stop
*Tears fall down your face
No..the laugh thing is from the pacifist so cold amalgamte
Chara = power, Frisk = courage, Sans = wisdom
I've been playing to much zelda
Same
let’s just destroy all three parts of the triforce ok?
Good theory, but I feel like Chara is not evil, the reason I say this is because asriel, asgore and toriel the only ones that love them YOU kill in genocide, so they take your soul because you don't deserve it, monsters were the only one that understood them, and you killed them. Then you reset, you act like a goody two shoes, like you did nothing wrong, but they know. They know all the terrible things you did, so they took away your happy ending, you don't deserve it. And plus they didn't experiment on asgore, it was an accident! Asriel says it was an accident! There just kids! They didnt know!
Anyways that is what I think.
i agree
You have absolutely no control when you kill Asgore and Asriel. Chara did that.
Everyone in the underground: “Chara why do you want to kill everyone”
Chara: Bruv I killed myself
Someone saw you kill in among us: Panik
Everyone believes you: Calm
Some detective kid shows proof: *P A N I K*
Fanon soulless pacifist route: Chara ruins "our" happy ending by killing everyone.
Canon soulless pacifist ending: Chara eats pie and vandalized a photo, but accidentally spilled ketchup on it.
Sounds like head cannon to me
"""Canon""""
Honestly, I don't think Chara is the evil one here, Frisk/Player is the one who is in control the whole time. Well Chara only gains control because YOU filled them with determination and hatred, since you killed all their friends and family. Chara is actually a sweet innocent child and the pie incident with Asgore was just an accident. Asriel cried but Chara just laughs when Asgore became sick from the buttercups. But Chara was just laughing away the pain, like many monsters do when they have low hp. Also Chara only tells Asriel to kill the humans for self-defense and justice for themselves and the monsters, not out of evil. Chara is also kind because they sacrificed themselves for the sake of monsters, so they can be free. Chara only takes control when YOU offer them ur soul completely and they only kill Sans and Asgore because YOU taught them to KILL.
Behind all them hatred and misunderstandings, Chara is a broken, sad, sweet and kind innocent child that the world has taken advantage of.
Chara's T-shirt is also green and yellow, green symbolizes their kindness and their sacrifice for monsters to be free. Yellow symbolizes justice, when Chara takes control of YOU because YOU killed their monster friends and family. Chara was also Asriel's best friend ❤️😊
ii_Delta_ii YT yeah, I know Chara tried to kill themself but the pie accident with Asgore was an accident, Chara only laughed because it's help with the pain. Most monsters do that to when you kill them in the genocide.
My question is simple. * Whom do we name in the beginning of the game ? *
Erm Chara isn't entirely innocent. Yes Frisk is in control. But Chara and Frisk were young so what I know is Chara started thinking that killing was the right thing to do and started helping. So Chara isn't a completely innocent child, but they aren't a bad person either.
Frisk isn't evil and it depends on the player. Also I played the genocide route and quit after killing Sans, I played the neutral endings and then the pacifist route . You learn a bit of stuff on the genocide route about Chara she isn't good.
P4le C4rr0tz You name Chara because Chara's name is the name you choose before starting the game. The character you control is Frisk.
I was watching an Underlab video when I got this notification.
Wow.
Everyone: *kill all monsters*
Also everyone: Why did Chara do this?
Theory: the player is determination. At the end of the genocide route, at points they talk to you, at others, Frisk, like when they said "our" plan failed (unless we make a plan with them in Deltarune at some point). You are the one who pushes Frisk and Chara to either just leave the underground or free the underground... in one way or another (there is lots of evidence pointing to Chara being the narrator, so they are on the journey with us and we tell them to be good, bad, or neutral).
*I do not believe this theory to be true, but in the way I saw it, I couldn't explain how Chara could have made that creepy melty face before encountering Frisk. I also wondered how Frisk and Chara would become one at all. I think I can explain it now.
*One part is that Chara made a different face entirely. Their normal face, encountered only at the end of the genocide route, looks very creepy as is. Since we don't see their face in the tape in Alphys's lab, maybe Chara is making her old creepy face during our direct meeting with them. (the creepy face we see if we refuse to join them is explained in the second part.)
*The main part of my theory is that Chara gained elements of a monster soul while they lived in the Underground. It's a little out there, but it seems to make sense. Humans adapt easily. Any one body (or mind) tries to be like the others around it. As such, Chara might have lost a bit of their physical form over time to be like the monsters' souls. This would have weakened the soul's strength to hold determination, and you gain a lot of it during the genocide route. With so much of it going to Frisk's and Chara's shared soul, which is theoretically part monster, their physical form might melt slightly (though not completely as both characters were not born as monsters).
*All of this explains how Chara could connect with a monster's soul and a human's soul. It's already known that humans can only absorb monster souls and monsters can only absorb human souls. A mix of the two elements would likely allow that soul to become part of anyone.
*sorry that it's so long, but that's usually how theories are
Edit: Chara is not the evil one in my eyes. The game's clear enough in saying that the player is the bad guy, or the one who decides everyone's fate. That's basically the entire game's lesson.
Yes the (genocide) player is evil. BUT Chara does claim to be a demon.
Punny, not Funny CHARA/they are dead
Punny, not Funny yeah
the "melty face" is chocolate
7:24 buff frisk!!! Lol that picture is just extreme funny lol
Player kills everyone in the underground:
Why would chara do should a think
Chara is just a really vengative person, but not evil. They are that kind of person who's going to destroy your life if you just pick on them a little.
Probably Chara was being bullied/abused by some colective, and how nobody standed up for them, they ended up creating the idea that everyone is bad.
No views, 1 like, 9 comments, seems legit
Monster Gaming yep. RUclips is drunk.
Who really cares? It is called lag m8
Monster Gaming Views are only counted when someone watches the whole video.
No... a view only counts when 3 seconds had passed...
Go home RUclips your drunk
Personally, i like the idea of chara really being a not-so-pure-evil child in life. it feels more fitting for this games mood to me. as the game has shown you again and again that something that appears evil or "monstrous" is probably suffering itself and not all that bad truly, and so naturally i feel the need to apply the same logic to chara. though this is an interesting theory, toby does a great job of leaving it just mysterious enough to go either way in some areas
The way you pronounce it (CH-ara) is the correct way, according to thr auto generated subtitles
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@Azoth Ace It's pronounced however you fucking want.The character is important,not the name.Toby could've named Papyrus "d!cklover300" and the fandom would still love him.
Azoth Ace OK I NOW KNOW YOU PEOPLE DON’T KNOW HOW TO FUCKING PRONOUNCE NAMES!!!
@@Error-yl5bg ur not even Chara and ur so trigg
Y’all so toxic over how to pronounce a name calm down😂
No one
Alphys: you think you’re safe?
Regarding the whole "how Chara's name is pronounced"-thing, in Japanese version, their name is written as キャラ, Kyara, which should give you good hint how it's pronounced.
I realize a lot of hate will go towards this but I don't care really. I have a right to speak.
Underlab, I highly doubt Chara's original plan was to kill everyone. They discovered the buttercups were poisonous by accident, not on purpose. (Yes they tried to laugh it off, but that's a common coping mechanism, not because they hated Asgore and enjoyed his pain. there's no evidence of that.) Now as for Chara asking Asriel to attack the humans after their death, the humans were attacking them to death. It could've been self defense.
Now I also don't think Chara had the intention to kill off the world originally. I think Chara was corrupted by Frisk's actions. Chara had no play in the Genocide route until the end. And remember, Chara was the one gaining LV from our actions. LV distances you from the ones you love, the more you gain the more you distance yourself,the more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.
Not to mention you completely left out the fact Chara literally told us it was our fault, we were the ones who did it all.
Also, I personally believe that those endings in the Pacifist route were our final consequence for doing what we did. Chara gave us our final consequence, that's all they're there for.
Look. You can believe Chara is evil or not, I don't care. But don't say they're some world-destroyer who wants everything slaughtered and was always out to destroy everyone. Whether they are evil or not, they didn't want the world destroyed til we showed up and killed everything ourselves
Finally someone smart who gives loads of proof
Winny The Gamer - Minecraft and More not hate, support shall go to this! :D
#Charaprotectionsquad
Thanks for the support guys
#CharaProtectionSquad indeed
Jesus you don't need a book in the comments.
Garrett Watkins Lol sorry. I had something I wanted to say, and I did.
I'm surprised he didn't say "Characters" as "Sharesters"
Imagine if frisk had her own boss fight doe
But alphys
IT'S SPELT CHARA!
She just pronounced it
If she wanted everyone dead then Why is toriel.sans. and the others alive? Chara spared everyone and poisend herself to free the Monsters
to do the plan
if she didnt she'd be killed and die forever
@@clownfish5371 killed by?
If Chara just wanted to go the the surface she could have just killed one of the dreamers but she did not so she killed her self sparing her family
Imagine if Frisk had weed killer in the neutral run.
i think chara is a bed part of frisk
everybody in this world have a bed part
Bed Part?
the real question is whether everyone has a chair part
😂
I just want to say chara is NOT Evil
Lab you are wrong.
She is neutral
Dogs: woof
Cats: Meow
Retards: chara is evil
“Wrong”
saturnicCockatoo temmie chang (real person and co creator) said chara isn’t evil WE did it chara became evil and more evil when you kill more monsters.
My theory is that the person known as Chara is just a husk - a person possessed by a "Big Bad" - and that "Big Bad" is known as Moloch. Also, the concept of the "Big Bad" taking the form of a preteen grrl is something straight outta J-horror (also straight outta Touhou).
3:28 Moloch, an entity determined to sacrifice others for their own power. The entity, itself, is particularly associated with child sacrifice.
4:19 Because we have to assume that Moloch is fueled by the souls it absorbs, monster and human alike, so it just wants as many as it can get.
4:44 Moloch is also referenced in the classic German expressionist film 'Metropolis'.
7:09 Fun Fact: The Sanskit word for "left-hand path" is "Vamachara." Yes, "VamaCHARA." Ponder that for a moment. Toby probably didn't specifically calculate that since "Chara" is derived from the word "character," but it's still eerie, don't you think?
7:25 Toby wants us to be more like Vash and not at all like Knives or Legato. Undyne is totally Wolfwood, though (philosophically speaking). IRL, the best and most practical philosophy is to combine Vash's idealism with Wolfwood's realism. Btw, yes, Tobes did slip a Trigun reference into Undertale. There's a part on True Pacifist where Royal Guard 01 mentions "Love and Peace!"
8:14 But it only has the power to destroy, not create. That's not "power." That's futility. That's nihilism. That's perdition.
This theory is good. . .
. . .but is also sadly underrated.
@@jpksuper1429 Thankee. Do you...like...Trigun?
@@judsongaiden9878 well, yeah, quite a bit. At least, I know what it is.
“I want you dead, you dead, you’re dead, and I don’t want you dead.
Sike just kidding You’re dead”
Player:does genocide and kills everyone٫ also player:OmG cHaRa KiLlEd EvErYoNe!!!!!
Chara : *Hold on this was all your idea*
You know what I don't like about these theories is that they only talk about genniside. They don't realize that Chara helps you in the pasifist route. Think about that for a change.
Excatlyy
Can you explain how? No doubting or anything just asking for knowledge 👍
@@ninjay2746 Basically,since Chara is the narrator, all the jokes, the advices you get during Undertale are Chara's, they're also the one to give Asriel's memory back during his fight, as their memories are now connected to Frisk. If you want I can send you a tumblr post that's a bit long but that is really complete that that will explains everything about Chara's actual personnality
Ray, your local Froggy Chair yessss please and thank you. I finished undertale with the true pacifist ending and im sticking to that bcuz that’s me personally lol
@@ninjay2746 determinators.tumblr.com/post/159674581147/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this Here! For some reason, the page will not show on mobile so if you're on your phone, I suggest you turn on "computer mode" if you know how to! ✨
Maybe Chara was possessed by Gaster. Her jump scare face looks very similar
Kinda
**deltarune intensifies **
Gaster Is Sans Father And He is A Scientist
If gaster possessed chara why would he kill his sons
@Xventure Studios Really now??
Is it only me,or do I feel like Chara is watching me?
Same- **CHARA NIGHTMARE FACE JUMPSCARE**
I cant wait for all the chara isn't bad comments :,)
No, it's not. It's down to the player to fill in the gaps and make their own story.So for you, Chara nay be an innocent victim, just a pawn in this twisted game, used by the player to destroy, but for someone else Chara may be a twisted, scheming, evil creature of darkness created either accidentally or on purpose with the end goal to destroy everything.
art and music fangirl actually it's up to us the player to desiderate Wethersfield chara is evil or not just like how we decide which gender frisk is
TopHat #CharatardApocalypse
Game Ron
The triggered kindergartener is at it again, and this time with his own hashtag!
art and music fangirl this is NOT a prove all the"evidence" in this video are ether based on changing the meaning of their dialog or making up plot points to sugarcoat Chara and demonize the player.
lol, I naturally pronounce chara as ch-ara. Like the ch in cheese
StevieStyle as in charcoal
Same
Char-ah
The player made Chara think it was ok to kill the player controlled Frisk to do gen
what if this entity that is controlling Chara was some sort of aftermath of the failed experiment of Gaster as we still don't know much about that.
Chara isn't evil T-T: The Player Made Her KILL Her Mother , Sibling And Father , Which Drove Her Insane!
no, that's terrible writing. it's obvious what kind of person chara is
Actually you are a bit wrong
Jinsune Azuka I agree with you on this one, HELL technically chara is FORCED to FINISH OFF flowey as in KILL their BEST AND ONLY FRIEND.
That’s why Sans’ song is called Megalovania, the word megalomania means an obsession of power or the domination over others
Chara didnt have have a reason to kill ... she just went insane =)
Edit: Yikes. Seeing the Chara defense squad fly off the handle makes me regret saying anything.
I don't mean to sound like one of those insufferable Chara rights activists, but Chara doesn't want everyone dead.
Let's look at some evidence.
First, the most obvious one. The bag of dog food in Alphys's lab, and the narration when checking it (which, by the way, is dependent on kill count, not LOVE).
If you don't kill anyone, they claim the bag is half full. The narrator is optimistic. They're _enjoying_ themself.
But if you kill even one monster -- even So Sorry who would only give you one EXP -- they claim the bag is half-empty. The narrator is pessimistic. They're not having fun.
But, if you kill Doggo and your kill count is at 21+, it becomes funny. They don't find his death funny unless you kill more than 20 people. If they had wanted everyone dead, they would have found his death funny even without the kills.
Now my second piece of evidence.
Notice that your stats are listed under Chara's name, not Frisk's. By killing monsters, you're increasing Chara's LOVE and capacity to kill, which _starts at one._
And the third...
Even if you kill entire areas of monsters, if you fail to prove to Chara that the world truly is "kill or be killed", they never kill a single monster on their own.
It's not as though they _can't_ take control of Frisk's body at this point, as Frisk starts moving on their own as early as Snowdin, with LOVE as low as 6. The ability clearly isn't dependent on LOVE.
Despite this, they let you have control. If they really wanted everyone dead, they would have killed on their own.
Also, you claim Chara was "experimenting" when the buttercup incident occurred? Really? Chara didn't even know what a cattail looked like. Even I didn't know buttercups were poisonous until Undertale, and Asriel acknowledges the incident as a mistake they _both_ made (and nowhere is it said that Chara put the flowers into the pie).
This video is old, so I don't really think any more evidence is necessary. Or asked for.
When it comes to whole LV corrupting Chara, I'd say everyone who is a part of Frisk soul gains the affects of LV. That includes Chara and the player since I feel the point of LV is to show how you the player mentally gets more and more used to killing in the genocide route. That means even in a reset you are still mentally affected by LV (which could explain the soulless pacifist ending). But yeah it also affects in game characters (as proven by Flowey's stats shown before the Photoshop Flowey fight) and logically, Chara. Hope that made sense.
Well this is probably going to seem like me trying to reignite a fire so I apologize for that, but I swear it isn't the case... I just joined the party really REALLY late. Now onto the... talk?
As for the clean slate soul argument. LV only seems to increase After a kill. Which means that if your only kill is a suicide, you won't get any LV even if you hypothetically had intentions to kill. Though I can't confirm or deny for monsters because they have different stats, (I mean that different kinds monsters have different stats and I don't think it's because some murder more than others). My second argument is very theoretical, but it stems from a very theoretical chain of events. But given the unknown nature of the events, I wouldn't recommend completely knocking anything off of the table. My second theory is what if when Asriel absorbed Chara's soul, they took aspects of their personality as well? Obviously while alive and seemingly in control of the new existence, I would say that Asriel probably would have stayed in control while living. But after death... Well like I said, this is theoretical. It seems that existing without a soul takes away a lot of your personality. But one of the souls was human, and the existence was a lot more powerful than a regular monster. And then they were revived by pure desire to exist. Flowey seemed to initially be motivated by a desire to help, but I also think that they still had a bit of Chara in there. (This could also be trauma from literally dying after watching your friend die so keep that in mind)And that led to more morbidly dark choices. It probably doesn't help that maybe a bit of Chara's determination is also in Flowey.
As for your next point, I have a question. How much power did Chara really have? The playable story has 3 potential main characters. And 2 of them have the ability to take control: Frisk and Chara. If Chara got stronger whenever you did anything, why didn't Frisk? Essentially, there's another confusing element on the control table named the pacifist. There are a few possibilities:
Violence fuels Chara
Violence Weakens Frisk
Chara has Control and no clue what to do with it
Chara has Control, and is just being a judge, jury, and executioner.
Chara isn't evil frisk is always in control on the genocide route until you fill them with hatred. Chara actually is the reason we can have a happy ending because they make Asriel remember his kindness
Kate B plz go back in your cage you animal
poke literal
A person has an opinion: they're an animal....
What are you, five?
chara is evil
logan mc I've seen multiple comments from you that are like that, yet you present no facts.
"Where are the knives." When I first saw that, I thought it said "We are the knives."
Also, I like to think of Chara as an Endbringer from the Hecatomb universe; Hecatomb was a card game about Endbringers gathering souls to end the world in order to obtain power for themselves, before anyone else could do the same.
My imagination is messed up.
"we are the knives"
*"accidentally"runs into everyone*
That’s sadly frisk control and not Charas
the true villain all along was the player themself