Who Is The Real Villain Of UNDERTALE? Undertale Theory | UNDERLAB
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While we encounter many morally questionable characters within Undertale, none of them are truly evil, so to speak. Asgore was forced to make a decision he never wanted to make, Flowey can't control himself, and Chara is a mystery beyond explanation. Still, there's no denying that something evil exists within the game--how else is something as morbid as the genocide path possible? The answer isn't 'the player', but something much more compelling...
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Who Is The Real Antagonist Of UNDERTALE?
Who Is The True Villain Of UNDERTALE?
Who Is The True Antagonist Of UNDERTALE? 
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King Mel
I suggest u get a zombie army get blueberry juice and say its an ancient ellement called 116
mel. uh.
King Mel maybe If... Well Chara ain't evil. it's youuuuu! ... if you did genocide.
Flowey: It's KILL OR BE KILLED!!!
Frisk: Flowey, have a snickers.
Flowey: WHY?
Frisk: You're not you when you're hungry.
(Flowey eats Snickers)
Frisk: Better?
Asriel: Better.
This should be a real ad
Wow!!!
WMast T.B. Copied, but still got me! :)
WMast T.B. Noice 👌
Finally something original
I dont understand how everybody forgave flowey and NOT ASGORE
ya thats true
EXACTLY
but i forgave him
Melina Toledano Flowey had no control,Or really had too much.
Probably that he keeping corspes in a seprate room
Huh.
Determination stops you dying.
That means Determination stops you being terminated
De-Termination.
No, It makes you come back from dying.
Mind. Blown.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING! YOU CAN’T SPELL DETERMINATION WITHOUT TERMINATION!
I was thinkink of this exact word play!
@@prdus Same
I think the real villian is
the hole, if it wasn't there no one would get hurt
JuniperFur yeah it's the fucking hole!
Yeah, fix it!!!!! But, then again, the monsters would never be free
*What hole*
Lol
Sans Gamer U GOT A SUB
'this evil possessed child'
GET THE HOLY WATER
He just said that as I was scrolling by this!
lol
*get the cross too*
Make sure to season it
OUTTA THIS HOUSE!!!
The true villain is Jerry
i commented that too
Mahmoud Abdulmajeed *yes he is*
Mahmoud Abdulmajeed finally, someone understands
Mahmoud Abdulmajeed Is it wrong I relate to Jerry?
no shit sherlock
"What an excessive amount of determination can do"
CALLED IT DETERMINATION IS A DRUG
Person: I AM DETERMINED!
Police: Your coming with me druggy!
So the main villain of undertale...
Is drugs
This your brain: a random monster*
Now this is your brain on determination: *frisk*
Don’t do determination kids
Well this proof how insanity sans was born.
@@mlgredpanda724 If you REALLY DETERMINED you will kill police mans IMMEDIATELY and gain LV 2
10:25 xD "flowey and the amalgamates" sounds like a good band name xD lol what??
IT DOES
XDDDDDD
Petition start a band with that name.
The Comments
20% - "Jerry is the true villain"
79% - "The Toxic Fandom/The fandom is the enemy/the cancerous 12 year olds"
1% - Something else
Brickmaster E
10% Jerry is villain
70% The fandom/ The game
20% you are the villain
*U*
1% Jerry commenting
Jerry
no it
0.00000000000000000000000000001
100% - "player is the true villain"
The villain is you,
You reset their lives,
You pull the strings,
You kill them thousands of times,
Yet it's all a game to you,
For that's what it is.
I only played the demo.
Caitlin McAlroy
I finished my true pacifist route.
I haven't reset once to this day.
You fix your mistakes by reseting once. Other than that I agree.
Caitlin McAlroy Because it's a game, you can do a hack... you can don't reset LIKE ME i'm not doing a genocide, just another pacifist, anyways they aren't real. (MAYBE O.O) -_-
Caitlin McAlroy yes your'e right
Open your eyes people, the villain of the UT world is the annoying dog, aka Toby Fox. Think about this, a small Pomeranian managed to create a world by randomly barking, if I'm not mistaken, right? (based on the secret room at the end of the game). Fair enough, this alone doesn't make him a villain at all, but think about this, the annoying dog upsets the player's path by constantly making the game more difficult and creates trouble for the characters: steals Toriel's phone, randomly appears to destroy Papyrus's special attack, and most importantly, STEALS THE ARTEFACT (which for all we know, could contain the cure to cancer, or the cure to Flowey's soullessness). Notice how the dog intervenes at certain points in the game to create a mess for everything. I hardly doubt that this small pup named Toby Fox is as innocent of a dog as he looks. I truly think this creature is hiding something; thus is more mysterious than Gaster. Also if this annoying dog is as omnipotent as it looks ( and he objectively is omnipotent because he managed to give you infinite residue after all), then why doesn't that same dog prevent the player from fully committing Genocide (where it would make more sense for it to intervene), or more importantly, if it is so powerful, IT SHOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE WAR OF MONSTERS AND MANKIND FROM EVER TAKING PLACE TO BEGIN WITH. But nah, the dog just fucks with everyone, doesn't he? :P Annoying Dog= Toby= Itanimulli= More Evil than Chara or the player! Triangle confirmed!
Wow
Papyrus would be like reading this NYEHEHEHEHEHEHHEEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHHEHEEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHHEEHEEHEEHEHHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEEHEHEHHEHEEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHHHEHEH
Triangle confirmed
Ok
Jinig
Yaaaayyy.
Also I hv also heard of another theory that suggests that WD Gaster is actually a representation of Toby Fox as well, just like the annoying dog is and that the annoying dog is a form Gaster uses to travel around the Underground. And wht makes this theory more interesting is that we in fact see Gaster’s face on a book in the room where the annoying dog is.
*"It's me! I'm secretly evil!"*
*"Okay, not really."*
Alphys you are so cute.
The true villain is Chara full hate
@@storyswapchara9007 Lmao idk if you're joking but
*Glitchtale isn't canon people*
And even Chara full hate wasn't that evil compared to the fear thot.
@@eaterbattery and canonically Chara isn’t even evil, he makes jokes on the pacifist route as the narrator, and helps you save asriel with his memories
jerry
The true villain is...
...The Number One Villain...
*R O B B I E R O T T E N*
*N E T*
So true
WE ARE NUMBER ONE, WE ARE NUMBER ONE, WE ARE NUMBER ONE, HEY *HEY!*
D-Man .....I saw something else and I thought about something else..........Why am I like this.
Lol sporticus get over here.
Determination is a force that can go either way:
One can be -Determined- to set things right, and cause no harm (Pacifist)
One can also be -Determined- to bring everything to an end (Genocide)
I thought the message therein was obvious:
"Sheer Willpower is a force that can do anything, so long as one never gives up."
What got to me while playing Undertale was that certain monsters could retain recollection of past events; namely Asgore... You can confront him about the fact that he's killed you before (if you die), and he acknowledges it... It made me really wonder if the defeated humans got to him, and fought until they simply gave up.
I also believe Flowey is an analogue to the player behind the screen, one who has 'seen it all, and grown bored' (which would lead to said person possibly committing grossly reprehensible acts, because 'they can't feel anymore for the characters' and 'it might be fun to see something new'... Which, given the context of being able to 'reset' and erase that damage... seems to seethe with malicious intent already...
So
The weed had "grown" a bad side huh
Not really, the monsters With Determination Cant Feel or Show Love, They Cant Exhibit Happiness or Sadness,Anger any Emotion.
@@Volkswagen_will .... monster with determination like the amalgam who cry out of sadness for her son? The almagate who pat your head affectinaly while covering you with a sheet? The dogs full of exitment for a new friend to play with?
@@Volkswagen_will You’re talking about the monsters with determination and no soul (flowey, for example) because a soul is what gives a being feelings.
It was obviously the snowman in snowdin!
How fast he can move: 00000000000.1 per century
@@shinneramirez3270 he would melt
No it is Jerry
Title: who is the true villain of Undertale?
Me: Jerry
And Bob they work together
You. Not Frisk, not Chara, not even Flowey. It's you.
You reset.
You kill.
You play with the characters.
Because it's just a game to you...
and it is a game ;-;
zoukarre I know, but I'm just sayin'
zoukarre ;-;
Freddy Online Exactly! That's his point! Determination itself is the villain, and determination is, to all intents and purposes, us. The thing that pushes Frisk, the thing that keeps them coming back etc.
So your comment is just a different way of looking at the idea in the episode. Wait, did yoy even watch the episode before commenting?
Jamie no :3. And I said it WASN'T Frisk. Did you even read the entire comment before replying?
wat about pacifist
Flowey and the amaglmates(?):
Hit singles
1. We will survive
2. De-termination
3. Dear, human
4. Going in back in time on determination
Kesha Jones I would buy that thing
Kesha Jones yes
Kesha Jones I love De-termination
"De-termination , we must all suvive! De-termination, everyone else must die!
You are filled with DETERMINATION
Let's do the time warp again!
Determination can be used for both good and evil. Yes, it was what allowed you to do the genocide, but it's also what allowed you to survive Asriel's final attack in the pacifist run. Maybe it depends on how much self control the player has.
i might have a theory That Determination Is What Turnd chara And flowey And frisk Evil For Chara charas Determination Might have been corruption by HATE the goop we see coming out of charas Eyes As for flowey Determination Drove flowey insane cause its what caused him To save and reload in the first place And for Frisk in pacifist It saves frisk from Asriels Blast Determination in Genocide aloud Charas Determination and soul To corrupt Frisk And Determination caused the Genocide off all monsters
"Try not to wake up in the middle of the night with freaky red eyes under the control of Chara"
Me: Awww! Why not?
So this is my opinion to the whole "Chara isn't evil" discussion.
Well Chara... That's a complex topic. I wouldn't say that Chara is pure evil and he/she is definitly not the main villain of the genocide route but i wouldn't say that Chara is jesus reinkarnation either. He/she is what Asriel tells us "not the nicest person". Chara isn't black or white. He/she walks in this small line i would call grey.
I'm not a person that blames Chara for the whole genocide think. I think that is the same thing as calling Asriel a crazy murderer for the things he has done when he was Flowey. Although here comes this littel hole where we aren't able to tell things for sure:
Chara and Asriel accidently poisened the cake for Asgore. Chara just laugh over it (If i remember right how he/she reacted) This could be a way of Chara to hide his/her feeling of guilt or Chara might has really found that funny. we can't say that for sure.
When Asriel and Chara were in the village Chara wanted to kill the humans. There are many possible reasons why he/she wanted that. 1: Chara doesn't wanted Asriel to die. 2: Chara wanted to kill them so they could get the seven souls to free the monsters. 3: Chara just hated humanity so much that they just wanted to kill all of them and didn't even want to stop there.
Now here comes the thing: We can't really say why he/she reacted like he/she did. As long that there is no proof to that we can't really say for sure if Chara is A: completly innocent B: Just a kid who would kill someone to save the monsters or C: A crazy kid who wanted to destroy humanity.
And even IF Chara came out to be a C i would not blame them for it. If Chara is a C than he/she is just what megalovania tells us. A megalomaniac. A person with an obsessiv dessire for power. A person who goes crazy if you only feed them with enough power. Would it make him/her in that case completly innocent? No. Would it excuse all the things that would have happened if Chara really would have destroyed humanity back there? NO. But at least i would say that it kind off makes him/her a littel, just a littel bit more innocent in all this.
That's why i would say that Chara is in the grey zone. To everyone who has read this far i must advice you to think further. There isn't just black and white. There are many shades of grey (... That can't be normal english i talk here -_-) So please, just watch the next topics you discuss from all different sides.
Sorry if my english is bad. It isn't my first language
It’s not always black and white. But your heart always knows what’s right
Your English is actually rather good and you made some good points
Do you speak German? But I agree
Everybody in undertale isn’t black and white, Toriel basically kidnaps you, papyrus throws bones at you then locks you in a dogshed, undyne tries to kill you, mettaton also does, alphys caused the lasers to stop you, Asgore caused the death of 6 humans (2 who probably were innocent I.e kindness and justice) and asriel who killed people as Flowey, I would just call Chara good, as good as anyone else.
So now that we've discussed chara, let's discuss frisk
We cannot tell if frisk is really the one in control or not during the genocide (by that I mean the player not chara) so we have no idea who/what leads frisk the way they act. Are options are
A:Frisk is the one doing this no hesitation and the players actions are irrelevant
B:You the player are still the one doing things such as genocide bur frisk is still involved as they does not try to stop you
C: it's you. You as the player are responsible for frisks actions and are in complete control
While I lean a little more to C it is completely unknown if frisk is aware and in control of their actions and if you the player matter
the true villain is Undertail
Trey Crouse O_o
When some one stumbles across Under*tail*
.
.
.
*TRUE RESET*
Yes i saw that from a comic dub
Learn to spell
Green Plush Videos undertail is an AU a very demonic AU
@@greenplushvideos5943 r/whooosh
the true villain is the fandom. hands down.
4 The Gamers And then it turns out sans is just a dorky Earthbound fan.
"Beware of the MAN who speaks in hands."
"Beware of the MAN who came from the other world."
there are only THREE sprites in the game that have MAN in their names...
Mystery man
Watching man
Every man
The big letters starting letter
Spell out MMT
@@ald1519 MANetton?
@@se.224 xD xD xD
Watching every mistery
@@se.224 Bewae of the man who speaks in puns
The magicians could be darkners like in Deltarune.
Funny thing Undertale also mentions no normal human can posses the power of magic, only monsters have magic but then goes to say there were magicians. Kind of Wonder if these monsters were instead betrayed by other monsters that resembled or took form of humans? If we were to look at classic monsters as an example such as Dracula/vampires, witches/warlocks, demons, werewolves/werecats and so forth these are all monsters that go back to ancient times, harvesting powers, doing evil, and can take human form or mind control and posses other humans.
Were there no monsters that might have abused their powers that led to the war among humans? as humans wouldn't have known about their powers of extracting souls unless they were there to witness it and neither would they fear the monsters powers unless they were caught abusing them.
*You WOOD pick jerry NUTurally
*its just human nature
No he will NUT pick Jerry, Sans.
Sans The skeleton
*Heh, Sans you're very HUMORous
*You're puns are very SANSATIONAL
Jay Swag I hate you
Christianee Rodriguez Why?
I actually don't think that determination is the "villain" of Undertale.
The best analogy I can come up with is the Force from Star Wars. Determination is a lot like the Force, where it is a medium through which good or evil intent can be expressed. Even though determination isn't an actual character in Undertale, wouldn't it still break the pattern of ambiguity if we were to label determination as pure evil? No one in Undertale is wholly good or evil, and I don't think determination is either. The Force can be used to heal or cast lightning, and determination can be used to free monster-kind or wipe it off the face of the planet.
Determination is not an evil force by itself. It's the intent of the user. Through the will of the player, determination can either be purified or corrupted. It's entirely up to them.
Don't worry, I still enjoy your videos even if I disagree sometimes! :)
The force is a good analogy
You make some very good and intresting points. I think this comment is underrated
I see you would like to find out who the true villain of undertale is... Ok then. This is one of their lines.
"Hi. I'm Bob."
DUN DUN DUNNN!!!!!
@@Alex_Majetich of course
@@Alex_Majetich he is not temmie... He is an impostor
Wait. The Way The Titles Are Capitalized... How Have I Never Realized It Before?
My Turn To Start A Theory.
What If Underlab... Is Kanaya Maryam?
Headset Animations lol
Headset Animations HOMESTUCK!!!!!!!! 🙌🙌🙌
PR3TTY SOL1D TH3ORY, 1F YOU 4SK M3
GRANTED THE HuMAN TOBY FOX WORKED ON BOTH uNDERTALE AND HOMESTuCK, MAKING MuSIC FOR BOTH AND CREATING THE FORMER. ALTHoUGH THE ONLY THING HE MADE THAT IS OF QuALITY IS HALF OF THE CHERuBIM ALBuM.
Headset Animations Hi my name is kanaya maryum and i have a PASSION FOR FASHION
"Flowey and the Amalgamates" DOES sound like a good band name. :33
oh yeah, flowey and the amalgamates is my favorite band.
0:57
Me (straight off of the most evil character video): IT'S JERRY!
"try not to wake up with freaky red eyes" -underlab 2017
"Who really is the true antagonist of Undertale?"
Me: "It's Xehanort!"
chaotixninja5 Xehanort is from the kingdom hearts series you moron!!
@@DeoxysPrime300 I'm surprised it took someone that long to point this out. Congrats. Unfortunately, I'm out of cookies to give.
@@DeoxysPrime300 R/WOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
@@DeoxysPrime300 sad music
@@ahalflifefan6000 dfu
The real villain is the fan base.
Well said
true AND WHAT IS UR G3ND3R
yeah your right
What is your gender?
Don't question my Gender G7ess what I'm going to say
What's your gender?
Did you know that Gaster speaks in the font Wingdings.
Ya did? Oh I just wanted to be smart. V.V
I know that
It's ok
Beware of the man who wants to smart
@@christopherchocolate69420 oh no...
I think the true villain is you because you decide if you kill or not. you have the power to the save and reset and other monsters don't have that power.Chara wasn't the one doing this you were..it was you the whole time...Many people blame flowey for this but after he was killed by the humans and was soulless having no compassion.
Rainbow Pie I agree. YOU, the player forces Chara/Frisk to kill monsters mercilessly.
Wowmyour definitely right though i believe that the humans are the true villans they are the people who killed flowey
Rainbow Pie totally agreed.
Huh. Make sense
Totally makes senfe that the humans go against monsters you don't like the humans your a human but you like the monsters
The true villain is Toby for making this game very confusing
TRUEEEEEEEE.........
The true main villan of the undertale universe it's our determination to do everything that can be done ignoring if someone can gets hurt or even killed or erased from existence
True villain is Toby Fox, he created every copy of the game and also made it possible for the player to kill.He also programmed and sprited every code and sprite that details the monster's suffering.
YOUR WRONG if he was the dog in undertale then why is in the sans secret room when do special thanks with no hit it happens to open he's just sleeping
Well if you think like that Toby Fox give them their lives
But he didn’t force you to do it, he just left it there for those bad apples who want to.
@@jacobalexanderleano1194 he's sleeping because he's tired after all the work he's done
Obiously it's King Mel!
YES, DEFINETLY
fuk u
Endersteph Lol i was just kidding
Jaakkothegamer is it jerry?
DUN DUN DUUN!!!!!!
I always figured 'chara' was a shortening of 'character', and thus, should be pronounced 'Kara' but each to their own. I wouldn't dare claim my way is any more correct than any others
Noah Naugler Actually Toby confirmed that's how you pronounce it
That one Phan oh really? cool!
Noah Naugler so you say it Kara or cha ra
artkart I say it almost like 'car-a'
Noah Naugler I say Chara not Carah....
I'd say the real villains of Undertale are: Flowey in the Neutral Route, Asriel in the Pacifist Route, and the player/Chara in the Genocide Route.
Just the player in genocide route and in pacifist route there really isn’t a villain, you don’t need a villain for a good story
In geno YOU the player teach Chara that Killing is good. They specifically state that.
Request: A video on how Undyne and Flowey are related in some way shape or form.
(semi spoiler warning)
Reasoning:
• In Undyne's fight, the dialogue, "Pollon surrounds the area" (or something related to that) appears
• They both share similar quotes - for instance - "You're gonna have to try harder than THAT!" (quote present in both Undyne the Undying's battle and in the True Pacifist Route right before flowey attempts to kill you). Another quote from the Undying's batlle would be "All our hearts are beating as one and we all have one goal" which Asriel also quotes im the end. Both characters also consistantly say "DIE."
• Omega Flowey's sculpted out appearance is shown in the True Lab. A Lab owned by Alphys, a character whom posseses a close relationship with Undyne.
Those are just some thoughts though. Maybe look into it?
Humans make an entire species extinct just because they can
Humans are animals, but they think they're above animals.
The human community ruined games (FNAF & Minecraft)
I see why Chara hated humanity
Sans Sansational nice one
Sans Sansational Chara hated humanity because cringy people like the UT fandom came along
FNAF was already ruined.
Sans Sansational *Good games
+TheEddGuy
While there are also people who treat homosexuals like their nothing but abominations of humanity.
What exactly is your point here?
If you look at the memoryhead enemy and look closely, you can see part of a gaster blaster. Maybe memoryhead is gasters memorys.
Determination alone is bad.
But in pacifist, does Frisk really just show determination?
You can use determination to show kindness, integrity, bravery, justice and perseverance.
Frisk literally and meterphorically does that XD
I think you got really close with this idea. There's one more character in the story that you never consider, though rarely anyone does. US. The player. The player is a key component in the story and I think that's ultimately what Toby Fox was getting at with this game. We, the players, are the true villains of the story, because we are the ones who won't let the other characters have their happy ending. Our curiosity, determination, and boredom prevents the Underground from having it's true pacifist ending, since what do we all do after doing a true pacifist ending? We reset the timeline and start killing everyone. Maybe after that we go back to the true pacifist ending, but even then we never get the satisfaction we got initially, our curiosity doomed everyone in the end, and we the players took away the happy ending.
DRINKING GAME!: everytime you hear the word determination, take a shot.
MizzDragon don't try it you will pass out really fast
MizzDragon how about no, some of the viewers are minors
MizzDragon lol
Omri gany true.
Drunk Chara activate!
Good Video, also CONGRATULATIONS. You have reached 90k Subs. Can't wait for you to get 100k!
Hey I have a vid idea "who is using the broken elevator?"
Whoever it is, the true villain is not Asgore, and never will. To me, this game doesn't have any 'real' antagonists. It depends on what you do in the game. If you do pacifist, there are enemys but no real antoganists. But if you do the Genocide path, YOU, the player yourself is the true villain
Undertale is a unique game that expands from its own code. If you chose to be a mod developer you are choosing the role of a god in Undertale. If you just play the game normally you are frisk, playing the game by modifying the files turns you into a demon capable of dealing infinite damage, but still cant alter the timeline so much the game actually functions different. Undertale is linked to the real world in many ways, and thus evil is linked to our world as well.
I'm the Best Villain
Everyone of my kind looks up to me.
Even when I'm almost defeated.
Villains don't give up until they're dead.
But am I the villain everyone thinks I am?
Now replace villain with hero and read it again.
Protagonists don't give up. Frisk dies multiple times (depending on your skill at Undertale) and still doesn't give up.
your move.
I have an idea for a future video: When did Toriel tell Sans to protect the human? When did she have the time when you came?
I'll be staying away from yellow save points that fill me with DETERMINATION for a while! What do you think? Do you agree? Let me know in the comments!
If you particularly enjoyed this episode, please like the Reddit post! www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/63mvpu/who_is_the_real_villain_of_undertale_undertale/
I love how 2 years after Undertale was released, we are still finding new things about it. =)
sorry but i really have to tell you (again) do the six humans get reincarnated as well as the monsters by azzie (asriel) in the pacifist route?
It doesn't say anywhere that it does... maybe they are but they just run away?
OrangeCreeper217 but then they could start up another war in fury
Daniel Whiting well, think about it, how many of the humans gave themselves to the monsters? Maybe they had the determination to reset, but they didn't because they supported the monster's cause?
the true villain is the toxic fandom.
The Toxic Side of the fandom is dead. Its just us cool dudes now. ;)
ninja of fire the true villain is Underlust. Am I right lad or am I right lad?
+SaffireSword 27 You are right lad! ;)
ninja of fire About that. When the game was released, which is when the villain was added, the fandom didn't exist.
CaroleAnne Barnett It certainly is much better, but that's just not true unfortunately 😰
The true villain is
Toby fox: you could never know
Nyeh heh heh
It’s papyrus
It's Temmie
Its a temmie and annoying dog amalgamte
5:08 No, Alphys says they lack the physical matter to hold Determination, as their bodies are made of magic. Also it seems humans can use magic, if they die in the process.
the picture of the creepy face you showed gave me the idea of my story WORLDTALE, the main character is my OC, Jason, a half-human half-monster hybrid due to inheriting that trait from his ancestors. The main antagonist is the world destroyer, a malevolent and mysterious being that feeds on death, war, famine, and conquest, and wants to devour everyone and everything. the deuteragonists are a group dedicated to stopping the world destroyer, mainly consisting of Gaster, Asriel, Chara, Sans, Alyphs, Frisk, and the recently revived six humans. However, the world destroyer has allies of its own, one them is Maxwell, a bored young man who wanted a much higher meaning than he had in his life. will Jason and his friends stop the world destroyer?
That sounds like a nice little AU you got there! You should work and develop it :O I bet it'll turn out awesome!
Andrea Kasane thanks
You should draw some of the characters.
Hmm, interesting
Pretty neat, man. Really creative. Might have to do a collaboration with you... maybe...? Yeah I don't know.
Did...did you just call Frisk Asgore's wife around @8:22 ? That's... a ship I that comes completely out of left field unless you look at raintaker's dating trash frisk comics.
NamekuBushi omg shit
NamekuBushi omg!!!!!!!
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NamekuBushi It does sound like that, but I think it is supposed to be "and is why frisk" at that part.
I found out after MANY times replaying that moment that EVEN the closed captions (which has been on point claims) says "And his wife Frisk...". I repeat, I checked the captions after listening to it raw to make sure I heard that right for clarity.
NamekuBushi Those Are Auto Generated...
I totally agree with that last point about Determination being manipulated by those who are evil
Determination isn't evil either as it is what makes you succeed, stronger, and a more skillful person. Even Sans says that determination is not a bad thing at the end of pacifist as he says is what is needed to survive. If we were to go by another video game Batman Arkham Knight for example then it was needed to help Batman from letting Joker take over his mind, it was also needed in order to keep him from going insane from the fear toxin, it was needed to stop the cloudburst through the gas, and wws needed to stop Scarecrow, kept him from killing people and it was also needed to save others.
Actually, interesting enough there is a character in the game who is named Azreal (maybe not the same person but still the same name) that you control during certain mission of the game and at the end you get to make a choice on whether to kill Batman or not which leads to Azreal either going to jail or you can break him free from the order's control.
The real villain is fear as fear keeps you weak and give up, if you don't have determination then fear will conquer you and effect all your choices, it was fear that started the war between humans and monsters, humans fear monsters, monsters fear humans.
It sounds like Another Medium at 0:57 has been altered. If there's a full remix of this out there I would love to hear it.
Are you a real villain?
Well technically uh, NAH
U are number one
Your breathtaking
Have you ever caught a good guy? Like a real superhero?
i laughed when underlab said "Try not to wake up in the middle of the night with freaky red eyes under the control of chara
xCrossking
Lol 😂
This theory brings me a whole new light on determination. This theory makes sense.
in the cutscene with the stuff about humans and monsters, did anyone else notice one of the humans that sealed the barrier (i think) looks somewhat like Kirs from Deltraune?
I know who the true villain is! It's Jerry
I'm sorry but well chara is no villian. Where is chara defense squad?
I sugess judgement boy's video who is the real villian of undertale.
no I don't hate underlab he just made it sound like chara is more evil. At least for me
a͙l͙a͙l͙a͙ c͙h͙a͙n͙ CHARA DEFENCE SQUAD ATTACK
the most intense spear of justice remix is blasted in the background as we charge in our attack phase
it fills us with determination
Oh god not this again, you're overthinking it.
ggamer 43 // CHARA DEFENSE SQUAD... UNITE!
ggamer 43 dear god. its the anti tails abuse defense squad again... not this...
This force is also apparent in ancient Greek folklore (i.e antigone by sophocles) there it is called Hybris
"Detetrmination" is a bit like the blade you find within Asgore's house--the choices you make as a player determine how you see it. and how you use it. Used for good, it allows you to free all the monsters and return home; used recklessly or apathetically, it will bring unrelenting ruin.
For those chara defense squad people. we get it. chara in your eyes are good,and we are the bad guys! now can't you just let people think that chara is evil? let us have our opinons instead of repeatedly saying, "#CHARADEFENSESQUAD" or, "CHARA DEFENSE SQUAD ATTTTTACK" like it's friggin world war 3.
"We" the players are the "Determination" in Undertale.
Determination sounds like a drug.
@@Emu-psst hey want some determination?
Ooh, very interesting! I honestly expected the villain to be a character, rather than a character trait. It's an idea that I haven't heard before, and I'm pleasantly surprised! And I quite agree ^_^
Yet I do have a thought, one which you did mention in the video.
Firstly, consider the common quote, "Money is the root of all evil." Some people have taken a second look at it and noticed that it isn't necessarily true. Both because it's technically a misquote, and also because money can be used for very good things as well as bad. The misquote takes a jab at the substance, rather than the misuse of said substance. More accurately, "The love of money is the root of all evil."
Similarly, would it be necessarily true to call Determination the villain of Undertale? I'm wondering if the same notion applies, that Determination isn't necessarily an evil substance/trait. You did touch upon this subject in the video, and I just wanted to perhaps expand upon it, if that's alright.
Sans even asks the player in the "church" (I'm not sure if it's a church or not...) if you kill Papyrus, that if someone possessed a power such as Determination, that that someone is obligated to use it to save as many people as they can. Like you said, in the Pacifist Route, so much good can come about if the player decides to use their Determination for the good of the citizens of the Underground.
Plainly, Determination can be used for good as well as bad. Only when it is meddled with-such as when Alphys injects monsters with it without justification, or misused-such as when Flowey uses it to kill people in different ways and in different combinations, that it brings about destruction.
So would it be more accurate to say that, "The misuse or lust for Determination is the villain of Undertale"? (Or did I just basically describe "Megalomania" on accident? Whoops...)
I dunno. XP Thoughts?
(By the way, awesome video! :D I really enjoyed it! And I apologize, I didn't mean to write an essay -_- lol)
Underlab, you should totally do a vid on what's in Asgore's house's basement.... Bc in Toriel's house, it was the way out of the ruins, while in Asgore's home, it's blocked off...
Hmm... FLOWEY AND THE AMALGAMATES does sound like a good band name, someone make this a band
It's JERRY!
Always has been
THE GREY DOOR FROM THE SECRETS VIDEO
You showed that evil determined laughing face at the end of undertale secrets
Determination is just a nebulous concept, it's really all down to individuality of the player that determines what is evil. I have never played a genocide playthough of Undertale and only ever used the kitchen knife on asgore at the end of a neutral playthough, but didn't make the killing blow choosing to spare him, only for flowey to kill him.
flowey : can feel all emotions but can't feel love and compassion
fandom: can't feel any emotion but hatred
flowey: only start killing monsters after countless of resets with him solving everyone's problems , and was nervous about it at first .
fandom: was killing monsters from the very beginning . and is the most thing he enjoys doing.
flowey : is a sympathetic character who is mentally damaged and suffers from strong trauma .
fandom: is a weed asswhole with no redeeming qualities and deserve all the horrible things that happened to him .
flowey : does redeem himself at the end of the pacifist ending pleading chara not to reset so frisk and everyone else can live happily .
fandom : didn't learn anything , still an asshole even after the pacifist end , and want to kill everyone for no reason .
flowey : is asriel .
fandom : the fuck is asriel ?
flowey: rips frisk into bloody pieces twice
flowey's fans: let's forgive him cause' he's sweet
That's the plot twist: the main villain in the game is... THE PLAYER.
Why do I love the intro?
Determination is kinda like the force from Star Wars.
"...it can be used for good..." Like the force, determination is a natural force that both good and bad people use.
The true villan... WAS ME THE WHOLE TIME!!!
Edit: Flowey/Asriel was just a PAWN!
So it was just malware
True villain is someone so deep in their ego and emotional trails, and stuff like that, they can't take side of a story of others, thinking they already know everything in infinite possibilities of Universe. Being true to yourself and others as opposite is to experience and express emotions and then decide agree you on them or disagree. Also if story of others can have something valuable for your improvement, it's important too, using best ideas and concepts with your worst is pretty smart thing for advanced enough people, even though it's amalgamate from monsters of concepts and ideas, but it's for the better if you know how . Facts don't matter, they are stored in other dimensions already. Better being true and democratic ( divine principle of Universe with problem of tyrant being able to abuse it) than some big corporations or something just will use facts and screw others because it's not what they trully needed , but can be a fact, that is not needed.
HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SAY DETERMINATION IN THIS VIDEO
How does Underlab not have 100K subs yet??
Also on the second genocide route Chara "tries" to take control of her body, but fails.
Do you take ideas for theories?
If so, then who could save and load before Flowey was made?
-My guess is Sans-
*_-I think a human-_*
I would say something counteracting that statement, but I can't put it in a way that'll make sense.
I'm a teenager.
For you people who are constantly listing about what makes humans horrible creatures, you are actually discrimination humanity and therefore you are a hypocrite since you people are humans.
Sure humans do bad things, but not all humans are bad. The entire point of Undertale is that the message when it comes to monsters is things like:
1.Being a different race(all monsters in the underground are all different)
2.Homeosexuality(Alphys and Undyne being lesbians)
3.Not saving much money(Ice-cream guy)
4.Dealing with guilt and the pain of being alone(Asgore and Toriel)
And most importantly, feeling the need to commit suicide. Flowey/Asriel suffers worse of all, since he tried to kill himself but due to determination, he is still alive. I tried to commit suicide as well a long time ago, but for some reason I can't because something is always holding me back. So the monsters of the underground are actually metaphors for people who have been discriminated against and were thrown away due to our society with steriotypes or even harassment and murder. These monsters represent people who wanted a chance to live a happy life, but can't due to them seen as "not human" and that they were forced to live underground, which is a metaphor for how many people who go against social norms are told to go rot in Hell. These so-called "monsters" are not really monsters, but people who take the form of how they were seen as, monstrocities. So please, do yourself a favor and don't say anything against humans, especially since not all humans are what you say they are. Don't say bad things to people just because they like something and you don't. Don't harass someone just because they don't agree with you. And don't tell others to kill themselves just because these people are different.
Michael Siegler Great job!
Chara also likely tried to kill themself
Electro Art Studios none of this would have happened if they didn't off themselves by eating buttercups
The thing is, The word Determination can be many things it can be the will to live on, it can be the will to bring peace to Monster kind and Humans or what the determination is in the No Mercy Run (Genocide Run), bloodlust the true villain is the player and the player puttted the blame on Chara since they think that they are above consequences and that they have to put the blame on someone or that there wouldn't be any consequences for their actions at all because we are thinking that ist only a game
The weird thing is that alphys called the recently deceased monsters "fallen down" and fallen down happens when toriel meets you and she probably says it i think.
Maybe this implies undertale is a dream or a post death experience
Main enemy of pacifist and neutral routes: Flowey
Main enemy of genocide: Sans (or Chara)
It can't be Sans, as he is the one who goes against every instinct in his bones (que pun) to stop the genocidal human (you).
Actually its Frisk
*YOU* , yes *YOU* the player is the are the real villain
Not Chara, not Frisk, or what you named the character
*YOU* are the one that pressed the *FIGHT* button
*YOU* reset
*YOU* are the one that kill *EVERYTHING*
*YOU* have the power to *SPARE* or *KILL* but *YOU* choose to *KILL*
*YOU* are the real villain
It wasn't King Asgore, Flowey, Chara, or even heck *JERRY* !
*YOU* are are the true monster
But there's a justification:
Jerry
He's a whole good reason to kill everyone
So true
The face at 10:54 is so freaking scary it will be in my nightmares
I feel Chara (not car-ah) is just a scared girl who died accidentally and came back to life because of the player's determination and is helping you. In the genocide route she gains love and makes it easy to distance herself from the monsters she loved. Ever wonder why she always stays ssilent when you fight her mom aka toreal (idk how to spell it). This is the true idea of undertale
I think Frisk is the true villain.
He killed, reset, and everything else to give others the worst life ever.
Frisk also takes the credit for everything the player accomplishes has anyone notice this, you the player is always seen as the bad guy of the game no matter what. At the end of the pacifist route the game calls the character, the player named as the enemy and only cares about knowing Frisk's name as they were the hero. Even though the choices and the progress were all accomplished because the player made those decisions, they befriended the monsters, and brought peace to both the human and monster world. This is an RPG that seems focused on the players actions, it makes no sense for the character to have an official name since they have no control in what happens.
Frisk Isn't The Villain, YOU Are The Villain, Jacksepticeye In His Playthrough Is The Villain, Frisk Isn't The One Reseting, That Was YOUR And MY Choice, The PLAYER Is Ths Villain
Hmmmm..........has to be Jerry
His voice is so calming 😊
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