Adobe is becoming a champion of annoying changes. I am not a professional user, so I’ll juggle between various versions of PS. Advice you gave us long ago to keep the older versions paid off. Thanks for the precise and detailed info Colin.
This was very well presented. Just another reason why everyone loves to hate Adobe. I would love to see Adobe take up your suggestion for Lighting Effects, it's to one feature I'll miss the most and why I'll keep a second older version. Bummer about Dn, I guess Adobe needs to pay for Substance but it really needs to be part of all apps, or all apps is really not all apps. Thank you.
This answers my question if they were going to suspend 3D from older versions as well. I’m happy that you still can use older installations. Thanks for the clarification 👍
Screw them with this nickel and diming stuff. I already went to the basic plan and replaced illustrator with Affinity Designer, I guess it's time to learn Blender now and I may just dump this greedy company altogether by switching to Affinity Photo. On the plus side, I've never been the first to comment before, so thanks for getting me worked up. Lol
I still have PS 2019 basically for the 3D functionality. I frequently use it to make 3D "postcards" which I can easily import into Poser or DAZ Studio. It's a quick and easy way to do things like placing a scene outside a window - say a nice sunset, or a night city scene. There are other ways to do this, but this is one of the quickest, easiest, and lightest (as far as file size of the 3D file). I've used it quite a bit for creating simple props as well. I still need to try and get into Blender (which will likely make my head explode... LOL). Thanks for clearing this up, Colin!
I use 3d in Photoshop quite a lot. It is straightforward to work with, accepts any image format as base and one can record Actions which means similar tasks only is needed to be done the once. I tried to learn Blender but it introduced the hassle of needing to convert to svg’s and the pain that is unworkable meshes, fighting with lighting, complex user interface, and only God knows how to record something similar to that of Actions in Photoshop. During my little research I have yet to find a replacement, but I hope that some know-howers will create something similar to how 3d in Photoshop works.
I have Windows and have two versions of Photoshop installed, Colin, but I've never been able to run them together. I actually hate it when they release a new version of Photoshop in October as the new versions are often buggy! So I've always kept an older version for that reason.
I've been using C4D Lite with Aftereffects and then exporting the frame as photoshop layers for post render edits. Have Adobe made any plans for this add on feature in AE?
There are plug-ins that do as fine a job or better than the Lighting filter. While I'm disappointed that Adobe is making the Lighting filter obsolete, there are at least viable options that work in 32-bits.
Hi Glen, could you mention a couple that work well for you please? Lighting filter is one that I am using more and more. A bit gutted to see that it is going.
@@alisonmeier5826 Digital Film Tools makes a plug-in called Rays that does a very good job. Luminar AI has Sunrays under its Creative options. You can add your own lighting effects in PS with tools like gradients. Lots of tutorials on it. Pretty easy to do with a Radial Gradient. Check out Blake Rudis and his f64 Academy site and his RUclips videos. He has shown different ways to add a lighting effect in PS many times. What I never liked out the Lighting Effects filter in Photoshop is the need to convert to 8-bits.
This is disappointing because I just discovered Adobe Dimension a few weeks ago, and I've been using it for creating 3D text and mock-ups for my graphic designs.
Great post. I'm new to 3D (coming from Video side) and am now wondering about creating elements in Photoshop/Illustrator with view to importing to AE with C4D Lite and doing extrudes and lighting there. I was literally just starting my Photoshop 3D journey last night but now I'm not sure I should bother. Blender might be calling!
First of all: great info. As usual, straight to the point. When I try to install an older version, a dialog pops up that says it will uninstall all other installed versions. It might be, that I will be able then to reinstall the actual version in addition to the old one. I haven't tried it. But it looks like I can not install an old version along with a newer one.
I was just about to learn how to create shadows in 3d,how would i go about that now without 3d please,the old way isn't that brilliant.. thanks for letting us kno
I use the 3d on photoshop for editing 360 spherical panorama photos is there any option with adobe for doing this going forwards (aside from using an old PS version)? The only solution I can find is to buy affinity photo editor as that does what adobe seemingly can't, it has great 360 pano editing capability but I'd rather not have to fork out for that when I pay adobe for a full creative cloud suite.
Thanks for this detailed explanation. It is very helpful. Just small remark - 3D is in Photoshop since CS4 Extended. I remember that Zorana Gee was shoing it to us on a training in San Jose back in 2008.
Adobe decided to extinguish with 3D? What a pitiful idea they had! Unforgiven! Fortunately, we have your good tips on how to keep it. Thanks for the valuable tips.
I'm an amateur/ hobby photographer (2D) and I never used the 3D. Very rarely I would try lighting effects on something as an enhancement, but it was never a make-or-break thing. Bottom line is, I won't miss 3D. For those who will, my sympathies.
sounds if Adobe is just forcing 3d users to "pay" for yet another awesome feature thats been in PS since Cs4 thats one of the reasons i have 3 versions on my pc as i have installed some awesome "plugins" in previous versions that do not work for the latter versions so flipping bkwrds and fwrds between PS versions is no big news for me i will continue using my other two versions ;)
My other versions do not go back that far. I have CS 6 Design Standard for windows but now use a Mac. They refused to support the old version which means I am SOL, out five hundred dollars and have donated four hundred dollars over the last four years. The only reason I change was the 3D feature.. I also lost Illustrator and InDesign because of this. Sounds like the stockholders need another yacht for their grand kids. So I am paying them for Ps and bridge, I do not use Lightroom. Wish they had been up front with us long ago.
Thanks for the heads up Colin will download an older version right away hmm as for Photoshops ideologies we all know it’s geared around Profit so nothing changes huh oh & I will remember to keep dimension too & lastly & this is directed at Adobe I hope in getting rid of something that many still use they’ll continue to add extra wow factors & quicker ways to do things etc in their future updates or quite frankly they’ll find themselves losing a ton of customers in my view! World inflation is going through the roof so we don’t all have unlimited money trees & many of us work on budgets! I won’t mention the companies that are catching up with Adobe technologies inc AI & at a fraction of the cost too so hope they’ve thought this through..Thanks again!
The older version, ancient now going back 15 years, was better. The relief mapping using alpha channel on the newer version was all chunky and did t work correctly.
We’ll see what the next major PS release brings, but for now it seems to me like Adobe’s motives are even becoming questionable where the digital painting is concerned. All the new brush and painting technology appears to be going into Fresco which of course you have to pay for if you want all the brushes for that new goodness. Oh, and it appears your completely out of luck if you’re a Mac user with anthing short of bleeding edge hardware and macOS since Fresco is only available on iOS and Windows. On a side note, Adobe also removed the Color Themes panel from Photoshop forcing you to use their Color web site. More of an annoyance than outright removal. The thing is though, web browsers have historically (and notoriously) been inconsistent with color management over the years. That would seem to make them among the last places you would think you’d choose to migrate color creation and decision making functions to.
im so confused! THEY ADDED 3D FEATURES TO ILLUSTRATOR BUT DISCONTIUED IN PHOTOSHOP??? THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AND WHY IS NOONE TALKING ABOUT IT. ALL THIS GPU BULLSHIT...HOW ARE THEY DOING 3D IN ILLUSTRATOR THEN???
Up until they did this I was able to run two separate versions of photoshop. I kept 21.2.11 to run the 3D tools and it works. BUT, when I attempt to start the 22.5 version, it will not open. What it does is make the 21.2.11 version blink and then nothing, as if it's trying to open a program that is already open. They did something to it to kill the ability to run two versions at once, something which used to, not long ago, worked perfectly. What it is a thieving scheme to "split" it up in to multiple applications that bloat your computer, wont' work seamlessly or easily together and try to force people that do not need or want all "all apps" expensive subscription to buy one and pay out the nose for for a bunch of JUNK that they do not need or want. Pure thievery is all it is. I know how their sorry minds work.
I even tried opening version 19.1.9 at the same time. Nothing. It will not run two versions on my windows 10 machine at the same time. I'm sick of adobe and their thieving ways, sick of it.
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Adobe is becoming a champion of annoying changes. I am not a professional user, so I’ll juggle between various versions of PS. Advice you gave us long ago to keep the older versions paid off. Thanks for the precise and detailed info Colin.
This was very well presented. Just another reason why everyone loves to hate Adobe. I would love to see Adobe take up your suggestion for Lighting Effects, it's to one feature I'll miss the most and why I'll keep a second older version. Bummer about Dn, I guess Adobe needs to pay for Substance but it really needs to be part of all apps, or all apps is really not all apps. Thank you.
This answers my question if they were going to suspend 3D from older versions as well. I’m happy that you still can use older installations. Thanks for the clarification 👍
Screw them with this nickel and diming stuff. I already went to the basic plan and replaced illustrator with Affinity Designer, I guess it's time to learn Blender now and I may just dump this greedy company altogether by switching to Affinity Photo.
On the plus side, I've never been the first to comment before, so thanks for getting me worked up. Lol
Already switched.
I need the lighting effect badly for my composites! What can I do to manipulate light now? Any help would be appreciated!
I still have PS 2019 basically for the 3D functionality. I frequently use it to make 3D "postcards" which I can easily import into Poser or DAZ Studio. It's a quick and easy way to do things like placing a scene outside a window - say a nice sunset, or a night city scene. There are other ways to do this, but this is one of the quickest, easiest, and lightest (as far as file size of the 3D file). I've used it quite a bit for creating simple props as well. I still need to try and get into Blender (which will likely make my head explode... LOL). Thanks for clearing this up, Colin!
Thanks for giving me this understanding of the problem.
I use 3d in Photoshop quite a lot. It is straightforward to work with, accepts any image format as base and one can record Actions which means similar tasks only is needed to be done the once. I tried to learn Blender but it introduced the hassle of needing to convert to svg’s and the pain that is unworkable meshes, fighting with lighting, complex user interface, and only God knows how to record something similar to that of Actions in Photoshop. During my little research I have yet to find a replacement, but I hope that some know-howers will create something similar to how 3d in Photoshop works.
I have Windows and have two versions of Photoshop installed, Colin, but I've never been able to run them together. I actually hate it when they release a new version of Photoshop in October as the new versions are often buggy! So I've always kept an older version for that reason.
Thank you so much. It's working for me finally. Been looking into sht load of videos. You are a life saver.
I've been using C4D Lite with Aftereffects and then exporting the frame as photoshop layers for post render edits. Have Adobe made any plans for this add on feature in AE?
Thank You for all of your videos that you did. I am enjoying all of them
Very well described snd a lot of useful information
I'd rather they retire the current adobe developers. 🤬
Thanks Colin for keeping us informed. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
What a shame, I used PS 3D for a school project once (only basic 3D) but it was amazing. I had easily the best photo in arts class
There are plug-ins that do as fine a job or better than the Lighting filter. While I'm disappointed that Adobe is making the Lighting filter obsolete, there are at least viable options that work in 32-bits.
Hi Glen, could you mention a couple that work well for you please? Lighting filter is one that I am using more and more. A bit gutted to see that it is going.
@@alisonmeier5826 Digital Film Tools makes a plug-in called Rays that does a very good job. Luminar AI has Sunrays under its Creative options. You can add your own lighting effects in PS with tools like gradients. Lots of tutorials on it. Pretty easy to do with a Radial Gradient. Check out Blake Rudis and his f64 Academy site and his RUclips videos. He has shown different ways to add a lighting effect in PS many times. What I never liked out the Lighting Effects filter in Photoshop is the need to convert to 8-bits.
@@glennmitchell9420 Hi Glen. Thanks for that. I'll explore those avenues.
This is disappointing because I just discovered Adobe Dimension a few weeks ago, and I've been using it for creating 3D text and mock-ups for my graphic designs.
Thank you for the information Colin.
I kept 2021 also, however Adobe managed to get in the 22.5.4 update. However, again, however, thanks to you, I kept my 2020 version also.
Only options now are 22.0 - 23.5.1. is this back far enough to have the good old 3D options? Thanks!
Thanks a lot for the video Colin , i love 3D on Photoshop, i will keep the older version
Thanks for the heads up.
Great post. I'm new to 3D (coming from Video side) and am now wondering about creating elements in Photoshop/Illustrator with view to importing to AE with C4D Lite and doing extrudes and lighting there. I was literally just starting my Photoshop 3D journey last night but now I'm not sure I should bother. Blender might be calling!
Great info, thanks Colin 👍
How about the capability to make normal maps?
First of all: great info. As usual, straight to the point. When I try to install an older version, a dialog pops up that says it will uninstall all other installed versions. It might be, that I will be able then to reinstall the actual version in addition to the old one. I haven't tried it. But it looks like I can not install an old version along with a newer one.
You can't have a dot release of the same version, eg 22.1 22.2, but you can have full versions 21.x and 22.x
Thank you for trying to help the PS community. Another subscription! It will never end! It's exhausting.
I have only used the 3d for creating shadows and just tried it once. But thanks for letting us know this feature is disappearing
Colin, I installed PS 2020 and it overwrote all the file associations! Looks like I need to re-install PS 2021.
I have tried everything to get the lighting effects to work..nothing works....it jusr adds a standard lighting effect that I cannot change.....
I was just about to learn how to create shadows in 3d,how would i go about that now without 3d please,the old way isn't that brilliant.. thanks for letting us kno
At last !! some sense...it is all very well Adobe updating but this seems like a step back (what is the opposite of update)?
I use the 3d on photoshop for editing 360 spherical panorama photos is there any option with adobe for doing this going forwards (aside from using an old PS version)?
The only solution I can find is to buy affinity photo editor as that does what adobe seemingly can't, it has great 360 pano editing capability but I'd rather not have to fork out for that when I pay adobe for a full creative cloud suite.
How do I get the creative cloud in PS??
Thanks for this detailed explanation. It is very helpful. Just small remark - 3D is in Photoshop since CS4 Extended. I remember that Zorana Gee was shoing it to us on a training in San Jose back in 2008.
You're right, actually since CS3 photoshopcafe.com/cs3
@@photoshopcafe Yes. You are right. :)
very helpful
I for one used the lighting effects on my photos and found them satisfactory, are they going to bring out something similar?
Not that I'm aware of
Adobe decided to extinguish with 3D? What a pitiful idea they had! Unforgiven! Fortunately, we have your good tips on how to keep it. Thanks for the valuable tips.
I'm an amateur/ hobby photographer (2D) and I never used the 3D. Very rarely I would try lighting effects on something as an enhancement, but it was never a make-or-break thing. Bottom line is, I won't miss 3D. For those who will, my sympathies.
What does native canvas do if i deactivate please?
sounds if Adobe is just forcing 3d users to "pay" for yet another awesome feature thats been in PS since Cs4 thats one of the reasons i have 3 versions on my pc as i have installed some awesome "plugins" in previous versions that do not work for the latter versions so flipping bkwrds and fwrds between PS versions is no big news for me i will continue using my other two versions ;)
but why the lightning? adobe - unpredictable as ever. I‘about to give affinity photo a chance…
My other versions do not go back that far. I have CS 6 Design Standard for windows but now use a Mac. They refused to support the old version which means I am SOL, out five hundred dollars and have donated four hundred dollars over the last four years. The only reason I change was the 3D feature.. I also lost Illustrator and InDesign because of this. Sounds like the stockholders need another yacht for their grand kids. So I am paying them for Ps and bridge, I do not use Lightroom. Wish they had been up front with us long ago.
I have never used 3D in Photoshop anyway. I don’t need to for the reasons I have PS.
I think this is a good time to learn Blender.
You spent the whole video on 3D. What about how to keep lighting effects working?
Same thing, this is how to keep everything working. If it doesn't work now, go to an older version
@@photoshopcafe thanks.
We can only download up to version 22 to this day. F*ck! Just need to redo a render from a 2020 3d file I had. I hate this.
I'm glad I never bothered to learn it
Thanks for the heads up Colin will download an older version right away hmm as for Photoshops ideologies we all know it’s geared around Profit so nothing changes huh oh & I will remember to keep dimension too & lastly & this is directed at Adobe I hope in getting rid of something that many still use they’ll continue to add extra wow factors & quicker ways to do things etc in their future updates or quite frankly they’ll find themselves losing a ton of customers in my view!
World inflation is going through the roof so we don’t all have unlimited money trees & many of us work on budgets! I won’t mention the companies that are catching up with Adobe technologies inc AI & at a fraction of the cost too so hope they’ve thought this through..Thanks again!
They stripped away lighting effects?! Noooooo
I really miss the lighting.
That sucks, I took the time to learn it inside out and now I can't use it anymore. I'm truly disgusted by Adobe!
I'm going to miss the lighting effects.
The older version, ancient now going back 15 years, was better. The relief mapping using alpha channel on the newer version was all chunky and did t work correctly.
We’ll see what the next major PS release brings, but for now it seems to me like Adobe’s motives are even becoming questionable where the digital painting is concerned. All the new brush and painting technology appears to be going into Fresco which of course you have to pay for if you want all the brushes for that new goodness. Oh, and it appears your completely out of luck if you’re a Mac user with anthing short of bleeding edge hardware and macOS since Fresco is only available on iOS and Windows.
On a side note, Adobe also removed the Color Themes panel from Photoshop forcing you to use their Color web site. More of an annoyance than outright removal. The thing is though, web browsers have historically (and notoriously) been inconsistent with color management over the years. That would seem to make them among the last places you would think you’d choose to migrate color creation and decision making functions to.
im so confused! THEY ADDED 3D FEATURES TO ILLUSTRATOR BUT DISCONTIUED IN PHOTOSHOP??? THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AND WHY IS NOONE TALKING ABOUT IT. ALL THIS GPU BULLSHIT...HOW ARE THEY DOING 3D IN ILLUSTRATOR THEN???
"deactivate native canvas" makes my photoshop soooo sluggish...
So disappointed in Adobe..
Up until they did this I was able to run two separate versions of photoshop. I kept 21.2.11 to run the 3D tools and it works. BUT, when I attempt to start the 22.5 version, it will not open. What it does is make the 21.2.11 version blink and then nothing, as if it's trying to open a program that is already open. They did something to it to kill the ability to run two versions at once, something which used to, not long ago, worked perfectly.
What it is a thieving scheme to "split" it up in to multiple applications that bloat your computer, wont' work seamlessly or easily together and try to force people that do not need or want all "all apps" expensive subscription to buy one and pay out the nose for for a bunch of JUNK that they do not need or want. Pure thievery is all it is. I know how their sorry minds work.
I even tried opening version 19.1.9 at the same time. Nothing. It will not run two versions on my windows 10 machine at the same time. I'm sick of adobe and their thieving ways, sick of it.
Corporate Greed!
Cs6 forever!
Typical greedy bastards! Adobe you are getting much worse. I think it’s time at last to move on and up to something else.
Use blender it's free.
They literally ruined photoshop. If you can't even move layers without it giving some bullshit error prompt then the program is utterly useless.
Great info, thanks Colin 👍