I have now 300000km on my 14 years old Td4 90 and never had any issues. And it always had to work hard in the mountains of Austria. ( full power, full speed)
300kkm on heavy 130 2.2 bas 170 tune regular services and only engine fault has been one turbo replacement at 220k. However clutch plate springs and damper have failed 7 times, surprised this weak link didn’t make the puma hate list.
And then there are people who have close to 400,000 km on the engine. And please stop saying the M57 engine is rock solid. It has its fair share of problems. I had two X5s. One had fuel injector problems at 42K, oil breather problems. And my cars had all their service done at BMW on time or before, But as all engines you have to look after them. Biggest problem buying a M57 engine is getting one with a good history. Otherwise you open yourself to a world of pain
Had a Puma 2.4 125000 miles All the problems mentioned on this Video…… EGR valves kills this engines. The air box intake is way to small the turbo doesn’t get enough air Injectors are bad and Glow plugs will get stuck in the head If you want to keep the original engine you need to Get a bigger intercooler Get a cool air intake Blank EGR Map the engine with someone decent Oil service every 5000 Change the fuel filter regularly Pray the injectors work………. Not even mention the noise but that doesn’t bother me Now if I had the funds not M57. LS3 is the way to go in my opinion Great video as usual.
💯 the low saps oil is a killer on the Puma, 5,000 miles is a must, get the best oil you can afford, good diesel with a splash of millers won’t hurt. Once you’ve mapped the EGR out remove, the inter cooler and flush it out, upgrade all the inlet hoses with silicone ones. When you change the fuel filter I always fill with additive, give it a helping hand in cleaning the system. Oh and run it on red diesel 😂
Mines fine... regular services, always warmed up, never thrashed.... I will say i nearly fell off my chair .... £1000 in parts and now hes at 2.5k for 2 days labour.... I respect you guys for making quality products but at those numbers i will be sticking with my not yet broke tdci.😊
The 2.2 Puma on my 2013 is awesome. Pulls like a train and returns 35mpg. Just a shame the transfer box and drive train is mashed. Still, it gives me plenty of opportunity to learn more. Always a plus side! ;o )
Yup. My 2011 2.4 Puma killed an engine at about 75k. I would have loved to put something different in but I live in Italy and the law makes that sort of thing very difficult, plus there are no specialists like yourselves doing these swaps. So in goes a brand new stripped engine and head sent from the UK. I still live in fear of it happening again 😢
@@wearemahkerwell well, what timing, I've just killed another turbo. Or actuator, not sure yet. Last one I fitted about 18 months ago, OEM Garrett. Don't suppose you can suggest a tougher aftermarket option??
I’ve got a 2.4 tdci in my transit & I’ve had none of these problems. It had done 240k. Because a heater plug snapped off & it was bit high on emissions I took it out & fitted a replacement I had ready prepared. The new injectors were not coded & it started ( but had to do a learn process on the Autel). I’m looking forward to another 240k. The only problem with the original engine the 6mm x 100mm(🙄)injector bolt came loose once & injectors x2 bouncing up & down.
My 2011 2.2 puma 90 is at 133k miles the last £70k with a Twisted remap. Not any big dramas in my 7 years ownership it’s serviced every year. It’s my daily drive, Should I be worried ?
Well i must of had a good one ive had my defender 90 puma 2007 still got it, all ive had is just a bit of wear n tear as expected ive had no engine problems ( touch wood ) no leaks nothing plenty of power, good gear box. Its well looked after, seviced regularly. So you may just of had a bad batch of them come in with drivers whom thrash every vehicle they get in... maybe?
We’re a business! It costs us to make the videos, we’re obviously going to promote what we sell. We’ve never hidden that. But what’s in this video is our real world experience. It’s not like we’re making this up…. Well, the red diesel bit but that’s our attempt at a bit of a joke.
And that's why I sold my Puma for a Landcruiser... Didn't have such serious breakdowns as discussed, but numerous minor things. Lost confidence in it. That was my last Land Rover, after 20-odd years, and 7 or 8 LR vehicles.
Each to their own…..I disagree with most of the points raised in this video. I’ve had my 2015 Defender since new, 153,000km & zero issues or leaks. I’m religious with oil changes & fuel filters. Admittedly it’s not big kms but I’m very happy with it. I had a Transit once with the same engine, 280,000 trouble free miles . I think there are better engines but mine has been faultless.
@@ChrisC-ht2br I will call you in then every other day when we get the call “Dave my engines failed what should I do” we don’t bullshit this is what we are up against daily.
Never had a problem with my 2009 Puma, Well, just a new clutch when first bought it then nothing runs every day no problems and so comfortable inside being a Puma. Have travelled many times in the previous versions such as tdi etc but they really are just for the farm, just terrible in all ways.
We’re not saying they are all bad but when they go wrong they cost a fortune to fix unlike other engines we actually like the 2.2 Tdci it makes great torque when stage 2 remapped.
This seems mad as ive had 2.2 transits that have grafted day and night double shifting towing 3t+ for over 200k miles. So why are they so unreliable in a defender? Also i replaced an engine on one when it finally let go and it cost me just shy of 4 grand drive and drive out. As nice as it is i just cant see how one of your 40 grand m57 swaps are good value for money 🤔
As someone who's owned six vehicles with Ford engines (Endura, Duratec and Lion) and done roughly 200k miles in them, virtually fault-free and with excellent mpg... I beg to differ!
Basically put a TD5. With an R380 and LT230 in it, or even better a 300tdi. My 1987 ex MOD 110, with tuned TDI 300 is, imo the ultimate LR, TD5s had inferior hubs and rear axles, Puma is just stupid, BMW engines are good when good, and all too often horrid, fuel economy is poor on them, you are putting max tourque through the gear box, and the later non salibury rear diff is not up to the job.
This is becoming a bit same old don’t you think? I have a 08 plate puma - never a hitch and it was the engine that enabled a defender to used as an everyday - even on motorways. There are plenty of people who will agree. Why not find another angle on selling your - no doubt superior engines - yawn…
@@stephenthomas8178 what is it you specialise in sir ? We do not feature this to promote our engines we featured this to demonstrate our genuine frustration for the ford engine im sure if we did a genuine poll on who has had failures and who hasn't we would majority fail. I get 2-4 calls a week so think about that Yawn!
My 2.2 puma just blew up. Main crankshaft bent throwing pistons out of alignment...basically totaled motor.Just over a 100k miles or 165000 kms absolute rubbish...I blame the Ford Motor. Found On Rubbish Dump. Do not pass go, straight to jail. Do not collect your $200 . Thank you very much.
@@wearemahker Yes i do..I am in Australia tho, so not really a good option to send Defender to you BUT I may need parts to order from you at a latter stage..Thankyou.
I Had a Td5 (90 and Did Not Like that Engine As Much as i Had Wanted,Oil in the Wires to ECU and it Was Thirsty. The Only Engines That Were Any Good Were 200&300 tdi They Were Great Engines, All the Old ones Were Rubbish,V8 The Best of the Petrol if You Could afford to Run it. Its Not Just Engines That Landrover are Useless at Making The Rest of There Work is Shoddy as Well. They Sold the Defender for 50 Years With No Locking Diffs !!!!Yet The Merc G Waggon Had then Straight away,Landrover Think They Know Everything about 4x4s and There Wrong They Dont and There Reliability is Shocking,But People Keep Paying Stupid Money For the Latest Thing No Matter As Most of them Have No Clue.
@@wearemahker Send them to whichever garages look(ed) after the fleets of transits, taxis, rangers etc etc that the Puma engine has done a bazillion miles in over the last decade and a half...
I have now 300000km on my 14 years old Td4 90 and never had any issues. And it always had to work hard in the mountains of Austria. ( full power, full speed)
300kkm on heavy 130 2.2 bas 170 tune regular services and only engine fault has been one turbo replacement at 220k. However clutch plate springs and damper have failed 7 times, surprised this weak link didn’t make the puma hate list.
And then there are people who have close to 400,000 km on the engine. And please stop saying the M57 engine is rock solid. It has its fair share of problems. I had two X5s. One had fuel injector problems at 42K, oil breather problems. And my cars had all their service done at BMW on time or before, But as all engines you have to look after them. Biggest problem buying a M57 engine is getting one with a good history. Otherwise you open yourself to a world of pain
m57's have been around longer and i guarantee have had less catastrophic failures
@@allthingsmotorized1885less perhaps, but certainly not leagues better. Mahker could be more transparent by sharing costs of the engine swap.
Yup my 2004 E53 X5 blew its turbo at 50,000 miles
Had a Puma 2.4 125000 miles
All the problems mentioned on this Video……
EGR valves kills this engines.
The air box intake is way to small the turbo doesn’t get enough air
Injectors are bad and Glow plugs will get stuck in the head
If you want to keep the original engine you need to
Get a bigger intercooler
Get a cool air intake
Blank EGR
Map the engine with someone decent
Oil service every 5000
Change the fuel filter regularly
Pray the injectors work……….
Not even mention the noise but that doesn’t bother me
Now if I had the funds not M57.
LS3 is the way to go in my opinion
Great video as usual.
Finally someone who’s been through the mill with a puma 😬 thanks for your honest words sir
💯 the low saps oil is a killer on the Puma, 5,000 miles is a must, get the best oil you can afford, good diesel with a splash of millers won’t hurt. Once you’ve mapped the EGR out remove, the inter cooler and flush it out, upgrade all the inlet hoses with silicone ones.
When you change the fuel filter I always fill with additive, give it a helping hand in cleaning the system. Oh and run it on red diesel 😂
Mines fine... regular services, always warmed up, never thrashed....
I will say i nearly fell off my chair .... £1000 in parts and now hes at 2.5k for 2 days labour....
I respect you guys for making quality products but at those numbers i will be sticking with my not yet broke tdci.😊
My puma engine in my citroen relay has 200,000 miles and is still going strong . Regular service is the answer
The 2.2 Puma on my 2013 is awesome. Pulls like a train and returns 35mpg. Just a shame the transfer box and drive train is mashed. Still, it gives me plenty of opportunity to learn more.
Always a plus side!
;o )
Yup. My 2011 2.4 Puma killed an engine at about 75k. I would have loved to put something different in but I live in Italy and the law makes that sort of thing very difficult, plus there are no specialists like yourselves doing these swaps. So in goes a brand new stripped engine and head sent from the UK. I still live in fear of it happening again 😢
Interesting story thanks for sharing that. We didn’t realise the problems in Italy with the laws
@@wearemahkerwell well, what timing, I've just killed another turbo. Or actuator, not sure yet. Last one I fitted about 18 months ago, OEM Garrett. Don't suppose you can suggest a tougher aftermarket option??
Thanks, great video.
Does the 2.4 engine have the same problems?
Yes
I’ve got a 2.4 tdci in my transit & I’ve had none of these problems. It had done 240k. Because a heater plug snapped off & it was bit high on emissions I took it out & fitted a replacement I had ready prepared. The new injectors were not coded & it started ( but had to do a learn process on the Autel). I’m looking forward to another 240k. The only problem with the original engine the 6mm x 100mm(🙄)injector bolt came loose once & injectors x2 bouncing up & down.
Basically you have described every engine fitted to all makes of car?
Answered in this weeks Q and A video for you. On the channel now
I have a puma and have had none of these issues
My 2011 2.2 puma 90 is at 133k miles the last £70k with a Twisted remap. Not any big dramas in my 7 years ownership it’s serviced every year. It’s my daily drive, Should I be worried ?
Answered in this weeks Q and A video for you. On the channel now
@@wearemahker thanks for answering my question On the Q&A Great advice thanks
Well i must of had a good one ive had my defender 90 puma 2007 still got it, all ive had is just a bit of wear n tear as expected ive had no engine problems ( touch wood ) no leaks nothing plenty of power, good gear box.
Its well looked after, seviced regularly.
So you may just of had a bad batch of them come in with drivers whom thrash every vehicle they get in... maybe?
Can you fit a TD5 bonnet to an M57 swapped Puma? Or do you need the bulge to make space for the M57? Or, alternatively, can you swap a TD5 for an M57?
Question answered in this weeks Q and A which is up now
great video! will the TDI 200/300 bolt on to the 6 speed g/box of the puma? I have a good tdi 200 but a bad 2.4 puma
Dave answers this in our latest Q&A - thanks!
I will believe this video 100% because they are not selling anything in it..... oh wait.
We’re a business! It costs us to make the videos, we’re obviously going to promote what we sell. We’ve never hidden that. But what’s in this video is our real world experience. It’s not like we’re making this up…. Well, the red diesel bit but that’s our attempt at a bit of a joke.
@@wearemahker sure and I don’t blame you at all for that. I’m just saying that it’s not all that bad.
@@dx-xb we made this video because of the pure frustrations puma engines cause and so impractical and difficult to diagnose issues.
Thanks I saw that he answered moments after I commented! Its not a drop in, he mentioned an adapter is needed :-(
What’s the going rate for the conversion to an old 200k m57 engined cleaned and dressed up? £14k plus??
And that's why I sold my Puma for a Landcruiser...
Didn't have such serious breakdowns as discussed, but numerous minor things. Lost confidence in it. That was my last Land Rover, after 20-odd years, and 7 or 8 LR vehicles.
Each to their own…..I disagree with most of the points raised in this video. I’ve had my 2015 Defender since new, 153,000km & zero issues or leaks. I’m religious with oil changes & fuel filters. Admittedly it’s not big kms but I’m very happy with it. I had a Transit once with the same engine, 280,000 trouble free miles . I think there are better engines but mine has been faultless.
@@ChrisC-ht2br I will call you in then every other day when we get the call “Dave my engines failed what should I do” we don’t bullshit this is what we are up against daily.
Never had a problem with my 2009 Puma, Well, just a new clutch when first bought it then nothing runs every day no problems and so comfortable inside being a Puma. Have travelled many times in the previous versions such as tdi etc but they really are just for the farm, just terrible in all ways.
Real question is - how does it cost to fit a re-built m57 ?
Check out the Q and A video in the coming days, we’ve answered this here
The transit had a great reputation they say it’s the best of engines go forever the later transit engines are junk . Bit puzzled here
I’ve had 2.2 and 2.4
Both have been good and reliable.
We’re not saying they are all bad but when they go wrong they cost a fortune to fix unlike other engines we actually like the 2.2 Tdci it makes great torque when stage 2 remapped.
This seems mad as ive had 2.2 transits that have grafted day and night double shifting towing 3t+ for over 200k miles. So why are they so unreliable in a defender? Also i replaced an engine on one when it finally let go and it cost me just shy of 4 grand drive and drive out. As nice as it is i just cant see how one of your 40 grand m57 swaps are good value for money 🤔
Only like the n47 engine the timing chains are bad surely it’s down to maintence and not everybody’s got 30k to convert it to bmw engine
I don't think Ford knows how to make a good engine!!
Cosworth……
As someone who's owned six vehicles with Ford engines (Endura, Duratec and Lion) and done roughly 200k miles in them, virtually fault-free and with excellent mpg... I beg to differ!
Yup dead 2.2 at 50k 6k replacement
Not cool
I do follow this channel i think they git it completely wrong in this video
@@999mrkhaled please tell us what you think is wrong ?
Basically put a TD5. With an R380 and LT230 in it, or even better a 300tdi. My 1987 ex MOD 110, with tuned TDI 300 is, imo the ultimate LR, TD5s had inferior hubs and rear axles, Puma is just stupid, BMW engines are good when good, and all too often horrid, fuel economy is poor on them, you are putting max tourque through the gear box, and the later non salibury rear diff is not up to the job.
200 tdi.
This is becoming a bit same old don’t you think? I have a 08 plate puma - never a hitch and it was the engine that enabled a defender to used as an everyday - even on motorways. There are plenty of people who will agree. Why not find another angle on selling your - no doubt superior engines - yawn…
@@stephenthomas8178 what is it you specialise in sir ?
We do not feature this to promote our engines we featured this to demonstrate our genuine frustration for the ford engine im sure if we did a genuine poll on who has had failures and who hasn't we would majority fail. I get 2-4 calls a week so think about that Yawn!
This is not correct, he's just selling Mahker 😮
My 2.2 puma just blew up. Main crankshaft bent throwing pistons out of alignment...basically totaled motor.Just over a 100k miles or 165000 kms absolute rubbish...I blame the Ford Motor. Found On Rubbish Dump. Do not pass go, straight to jail. Do not collect your $200 . Thank you very much.
@@emp731 now would you like a bmw installed sir
@@wearemahker Yes i do..I am in Australia tho, so not really a good option to send Defender to you BUT I may need parts to order from you at a latter stage..Thankyou.
I Had a Td5 (90 and Did Not Like that Engine As Much as i Had Wanted,Oil in the Wires to ECU and it Was Thirsty.
The Only Engines That Were Any Good Were 200&300 tdi They Were Great Engines,
All the Old ones Were Rubbish,V8 The Best of the Petrol if You Could afford to Run it.
Its Not Just Engines That Landrover are Useless at Making The Rest of There Work is Shoddy as Well.
They Sold the Defender for 50 Years With No Locking Diffs !!!!Yet The Merc G Waggon Had then Straight away,Landrover Think They Know Everything about 4x4s and There Wrong They Dont and There Reliability is Shocking,But People Keep Paying Stupid Money For the Latest Thing No Matter As Most of them Have No Clue.
Bit harsh.
Not after the week we’ve had with them. It’s a wonder Daves got any hair left!
@@wearemahker Send them to whichever garages look(ed) after the fleets of transits, taxis, rangers etc etc that the Puma engine has done a bazillion miles in over the last decade and a half...
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