They’re all great cameras. These dumb clickbait videos are so tiresome. You prefer the MP? Great. Just talk about that- that stuff is interesting. “I like “x” so “y” sucks” is a crashing bore. Couldn’t make it more than halfway through.
I disagree! It was an easy watch and well done. I think people forget that to title a video, you have to sum up 10 minutes or however long into a few words that are not only relevant, but grab people’s attention. Maybe if you would have watched till the end you would have found the title relevant to the video. If you disliked the video so much, why not just leave? Why do you feel the need to put someone’s work down? Haters always gonna hate I guess!
Depends on what you’re after mate! I’ve owned the F3 and I was going to get the F2 recently but decided to go for the FM (first version) because it basically had everything I wanted in a backup 35mm camera. The FM2 gives you 1/4000 which is pretty nice!
@@FrankDavalos Bro. They don't suck. The photos in your video are stunning. Give yourself a little credit. :). Could you do a video on how you process and scan them?
Haha thank you 🙏🙏 - honestly I’m such a lazy scanner, I feel like I’d set people up for failure! But yeah I’ve been thinking about live streaming the process one day since I feel like I’m always doing it haha. Thanks for watching and the nice comment 🙏🙏
Thanks very much for this great review. As a result I just bought an MP in great condition . After years of M3 happiness I finally decided to go with a camera with similar looks and feel with a light meter.
I totally agree about feeling being there with film, that is why I'm still shooting film! There is a quick fix for the M6 winding lever, just change it for the old version. An in regard of flare with older viewfinders, you can get installed an MP coated window (it solved the problem with my M4).
Bought an MP a few months ago after selling my M6 and couldn’t be happier. It really is that much better. The main reason for my switch was that the light meter in my M6 was slowly dying and it’s not serviceable, which is not a problem the MP has. People will always hate on Leicas and expensive cameras in general, but who cares. If it gives you joy and you can afford it, it’s your business and yours only ;) Plus I think it’s much smarter to buy an MP rather than the latest digital camera which is only going to depreciate in value.
Love this video. I am feeling the same way at the moment, been chasing a bit of an analogue dream in a digital world (coming from my school days shooting only film). I have an M10M, which I do really enjoy, but you basically summed up exactly how I have been kinda feeling about the digital M experience in general. My wife has a Q2 and as much as I don't want to admit it (an "M is M" and all that), but somehow the Q just makes sense as a digital shooting experience. Whenever I pick up a film camera its a whole other level of enjoyment. Been on the edge of selling an organ and picking up a M-A, but seeing your experience maybe the MP is really the right choice. How's the black paint treating you, that's been one of my main concerns, it looks great brand new, but gets all beat up quick and not sure I buy into the whole brassing being beautiful and a sign of your long years of use haha. Anyways, just wanna say thanks!
Great to hear mate. The M10M is a beautiful machine, I enjoyed my time with it but eventually went back to the Q2M as it made more sense for me. As for the BP MP, I love it when it gets tattered. To be honest I wish mine was more used looking, but even after 3 years it still looks pretty. I prefer the look of used BP vs a used black chrome camera personally… but you can always go for the silver, as it’s always classic and beautiful! Thanks again for watching Chris! 🙏
Hey Frank, so excited to see a new video from you, specially regarding the MP! To be honest every time I was in the market for an other Leica M camera, I watched your videos and your MP video back then sealed the deal for my MP purchase. At that time you already sold the MP for the MA, but I wanted to have a light meter integrated after shooting with the M3 for a while. Was able to sell my M6 for a good price + my corroded M9 and got my MP for a very good price second hand. Love that beautiful BP and the viewfinder is more flare resistant as you said. Only when I shoot 50mm I miss the M3. The only thing I find annoying on my MP is the softer leather finish compared to yours. I had the more sandy finish once in my hand I would prefer that compared to the now more softer leather finish. Otherwise I just enjoy the camera and lets see how it will brass over time. What was your lens choice for the last 3 years on the MP? And which colour film do you usally shoot? Awesome video man and 6:00 is just mindblowing!!!
Thanks so much for your kind words man. Warms my dead little heart to hear you say all that. The two lenses I use on it today are the 28mm Elmarit (latest version) and the 50mm Summilux ASPH (non-close focus version). I would say the only two lenses I’d love to one day add to my kit is maybe the 35 lux FLE (I sold it and miss it sometimes) and definitely the 50mm Summicron DR. I might try and pickup an M3 or M2 with a DR at some point. As for colour film, though I don’t shoot a lot, I’d say I mostly shoot Kodak Gold 200 or Cinestill 400D. My favourite of all time is Ektachrome (the photo at 06:00 was shot on that) but at $40 Canadian per roll plus $20 develop, it’s not an every day type of film. One or two rolls a year unfortunately. Thank you so much for watching and for getting rid of that M6 for the MP ;)
@ you are welcome and as I said it’s exciting for me to see a video from you pop up:). thanks so much for your detailed responds! I’ve sized down my Leica kit as good as possible :D and use the MP next to the Q3 43. My lenses for now are the Voigländer 28mm + 50mm Color Skopars, since my eyes don’t see the differences on film compared to Leica Glas (currently selling my 50mm Lux and 35mm Cron latest version). But hearing your experience I might reconsider haha 😂. I didn’t want to add a true vintage Leica M to my collection but found an almost steal M2 with that 50mm Cron DR. If you want you can check the thumbnail on my channel of that M2 - excited to shoot with that 50mm DR :)
That’s awesome man! The Skopar lenses are great lenses. You’re right the difference on film shows up less and less. I’ve never used the 28 Skopar but I just love the Elmarit a lot, it’s one of my fav lenses ever. And the 50 lux really shines on slide film and I just love ASPH on film, but I think there are lots of 50mm lenses that can compete. It vignettes considerably which can sometimes be a bother. I will def check out that M2/DR vid on your channel, that’s one of my fav combos ever! Thanks again mate
Fully agree with all you points , I have a similar MP an early one like your 299xxxx serial. I love that thing, digital M does not give me that. I do have an M7 to go along with this and it’s a great match
M digital is insanely sharp. But to my eye, it's too sharp. It's too clinical. And that leaves me somewhat cold. But when I look at good Leica film shots, wow, it's so much more. It's like looking into memories, and feelings. I've got an M4-P which is boss.
Yeah dude! I used to have an M8 and loved it for it's imperfections and build quality, especially loved the IR compromised sensor. Unfortunately, it died as most if not all electronic products will. After I got an MP and then found a great M9 and was hoping to love it as much as the M8 but it just felt "hollow" in it's build quality and purpose. My Sony A7iii is such an amazing feat in consumer technology and makes great pictures! Using the Sony feels like a reminder to keep pushing forward and experiment and using the MP feels like a reminder to look back a bit and appreciate things that are simple and well built.
I think the light meter arrows point the same direction as the aperture on the lens. Making me think they expected photographers to pick the shutter speed and then adjust the aperture rather than pick aperture and change shutter speed. This may be bc so many folks came from sunny 16
Likely right, and that’s exactly how I use it. But when I do eventually need or want to adjust shutter it is just one small detail that I still haven’t got perfectly used to after 3 years. Problem solved on M6 TTL and M7 though. If they could make a small dial that turns the way it does on the M7, that makes this camera even more perfect to me.
Hey Frank, so did you just not like digital Leica? Curious, because I’m struggling with my M10-P. I prefer my M-A over the M10 and just like the whole film process overall. Unfortunately, probably going to ditch the M10 at some point because I just can’t get on with it 😢
Yeah I think that was it. I’m just not really into Leica digital M cameras. I have an M9-P and it has been my favourite out of all of them, but I contemplate everyday whether I should sell it and get an M2 or Nikon F2 and just go all analog. My two trusty companions are the Q2M and the MP!
@ ditto. I think about selling it everyday and what I could replace it with. Hell, for the amount of money I could get; I’d possibly be able to get another m analog, lens and some decent medium format cam. I’ve been all analog before and no issues there. I had hoped adding the M10 would be some fluid analog/digital hybrid experience but unfortunately it has not. Has only given me more doubt about digital these days. Unfortunately, Leica digital is not the same feel and experience as Leica analog. At least, that’s been my experience 😢
Wow! 3 years! Geez! My M3 from new is 57 years old! Pro work, news riots, floods,mayhem! Then my personal work. Travels to deserts, snow and ice climates.. Tens of thousands of rolls. Also my most repaired camera! Nikon f from 71! Least repaired is my Pentax Spotmatics and K mounts!
Various setups in these photos. Epson V600, Sony A7R3 with 90mm macro, Sony A7IV with same… using essential film holder for most but have since upgraded to negative supply… not a big fan of the EFH. I’m a very lazy scanner
If batteries aren’t an issue with you then why not a Leica MA. Also with an MA there’s no battery annoying battery cap. Agree with you about the plastic advance lever. One reason why I just kept my M2’s and M3. I also love my M2 with no self timer. As a side note if you have a chance to get older Leicas without a self timer get it over any one with one. CLA’s with self timer cost more and if your self timer jams, you’re screwed because your shutter can’t be released.
Had the M-A and I just connected more with the MP I guess, I like the black paint. I don’t find the battery cap annoying in any way. I had an M2 without self timer and it was great! Thanks for watching mate 🙏
Great video Frank and I must admit I love my MP too, although I do also have the M11-D which is also great it is just different to shooting film. I agree there is certainly a more emotional connection with film than digital. The only thing I dislike about the MP is you have to turn it off to save the battery
That’s actually something I didn’t mention and totally agree with. I’m pretty good at always turning it off but it is just one small thing that can be a little annoying
In my opinion M6 is very overrated. As an M3 user, I don't understand why people are paying so much more for what is arguably the least well constructed of the entire M series line of camera.
Hey thank you! One of my fav photos ever for sure. If you factor in the MP, the Lux, Ektachrome and a Dev, it’s one of the most expensive photographs I’ve ever taken 😂 - you sharing that made it all worth it mate! Thanks so much for watching! #dadtography4lyfe
I've owned every film M varient at various times, even the M5 and MDs. Yeah, the M6 is by far the least enjoyable to actually shoot as a daily carry. Beautiful to look at, but the M6 felt the worst built in hand. Especially when Leica glass is attached to it's body. Also, I lusted after the Black Paint MP. Got it, but felt off with it...then had the opportunity to get an MP in silver...oh baby, MP in silver just felt even more Solid and enjoyable. Cheers!
I'm going to murder this analogy I recently read but I'm forcing it to fit Leica's. Leica analog M's are like Air cooled Porsche 911, an MP model being the street version with no racing stripes just shiny black paint and chrome accents, the M6 is just like a racing 911 air cooled with the rewind crank like a racing spoiler and plastic film advance tip all coming together to make the experience a little smoother and faster. I've never owned a Classic/TTl M6 or MP for that matter but I have shot with them before. I did recently buy a (2022)M6 and can say that it feels like an MP with M6 badges or if were sticking to my analogy, like a museum grade air cooled 911 with racing accents. I have to agree with you there is nothing like shooting with a Leica M(6)P, I'll probably shoot my M11 at some point but so far every time I pick it up, I keep looking at my (2022)M6.
I like my M3 the best , my other Leica is the MA both are chrome , and the chrome finish on the M3 is stellar deeper and just looks " quality " , my other Leica is the SL3 , and I have not used it much yet. Otherwise I use 6x6 cameras , film.
I have the m3 and ma too. I use the ma more these days, but the ease of the shutter button on the m3 is in its own league. It feels like nothing is there in a good way. My ma has a stiffer button(probably doesn't help at slow shutter speeds). Idk if that will change one day or not.
I have a newish black MP and a silver M2. I am disappointed with the black paint which scratches easily. I also made the mistake of getting the rewind adaptor which scratched the plate. IMO the shutter sound and build quality on the M2 feels better but overall the full frame lines and light meter of the MP wins as the best option. As I write this I am in my camper van just recovering from a 18km alpine hike in the rain. I changed lenses on the go in my camera bag and also changed film in the bag so not precious with my MP. The rewind is a little slow especially when the fingers are numb. I also value film shots more than digital. I actually got rid of my digital camera as it was too much trying to use both.I have 6 lenses 15mm, 21mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm & 90mm so it is a lot to carry but at least the lenses are light. If I am going to epic locations in poor conditions I take both bodies and use 1 lens on each so I don't have to change them on the road. I use HP5+ 400iso with the MP and 800iso with the M2. Works well.
Sounds awesome! Yeah that rewind accessory ruins the cameras. But agreed, black paint scratches over time, but I almost think it looks better when it begins to look used. Big M2 fan here, no need to convince me! My second fav of the lineup!
I have a black MP and silver M6. I thought the whole point of the black paint Leica is scratching over time. Otherwise, I would just get black chrome or silver.
18k rainy alpine hike!! You sure know how to live. I spent a decade hiking around BC and Alberta with my cameras. One day I'll get back to the mountains. I can't imagine how freeing it would be to just bring the analog Leica. The experience of complete simplicity, man, nature, elevation, and the 35mm rangefinder. Pumping photos through that film compartment. I always made those treks so complicated. When an analog camera started joining me, it was medium format accompanied by digital. I did get smarter near the end and swapped out the SLRs with rangefinders. I'm getting nostalgic.
@@JHurrenPhotography Yeah a great day. The trick is never to immediately remove the film or lens from the camera once back in the warm van. The gear needs to get it back up to temperature first otherwise instant condensation. Cheers & regards.
I love the Leica cameras and film as much as the next guy but come on, digital cameras run circles around film. I wish I had the same reaction as you when I pick up a Leica to be motivated to shoot film but I just can't anymore. The D810 for me is a billion times better than any film camera. And that's coming from an owner of p67ii system, Leica M-A, Nikon F cameras etc. Like you said, it's just a huge time sink.
Agree on the annoyance with the shutter dial on the MP vs the M6 TTL. I also like the larger dial but, for me, the MP is the better built and more fun to use camera..
Leica are about to release 2 new models. The idea for the first model is to attract more Millennials to buy their cameras, so they're gonna name it the Leica M-minem. The 2nd model will stray from the subtle and sophistication that we have come to know about Leica cameras to play instead with bright and popping colours. That will be called the Leica M&M. You can lick that too I heard. It's the way you tell 'm.
I really think digital M users do like using it LOL It's basically the only way to work and focus with a rangefinder in digital (set aside this Pixi project...). And whoever uses the M digitally surely mostly uses it through the rangefinder and can turn off the screen and thus save battery.
I totally agree making a photo is more rewarding than just taking a photo. Is it worth getting a Leica film camera if a person only plans on using voightlander lenses ?
Great talk ! 🙂 love having these long-terms experiences on a camera, much more valuable than the "just released" camera reviews. I am still in a huge dilemma of whether or not I should go with trying a film journey, beside my digital camera. If so, I'll definitely gravitate around the M6 or MP, depending on the budget... but your video gave me a lot to think about 🤣 You mentioned several points such as the "not so good" resolution of 35mm film, the much better feeling you have with film M vs digital... I'd love to hear more from you on the film vs digital topic. I am currently shooting with a Nikon ZF and voigtlander M lenses on it, which is a (digital) joy for me. I was thinking about taking an M10-R or M11 beside, because I've been completely spoiled by the resolution these cameras can offer, but as wired as it sounds, I feel it is not "healthy" for my photography and the ZF 24mp sensor is actually plenty enough if I'm being honest, I just have to compose a bit more carefully, which is a good thing at the end. So may be it's now time for me to go for an analog M and trying the experience, which for me sounds like going the opposite direction as let's say an M11 (digital + very high res, vs 35mm film and analog). Anyway ! It is great to see you back on YT, keep publishing this kind of talk and the great photographs we can observe during the video 😊👍 By the way, I thought you loved more your Q2M, but apparently the MP is the goat for you haha
Thanks for watching! If it were me I’d keep the Zf and pair it with an MP. The soul of the Leica M experience is analog. Q2M is def my favourite digital camera of all time! Then the M9!
I agree with most of your points, but I would recommend that most people start with the M10 (or any digital M) before investing in an M film camera. I would also suggest choosing the M6 over the MP for several reasons. A digital M is an excellent introduction to the rangefinder system and photography in general, as it provides instant feedback on composition and focusing accuracy. This immediate learning experience is not possible with a film M, which inherently requires more patience and practice due to its lack of instant results. As for the MP versus the M6, I wouldn’t recommend the MP solely because of its higher price. While I own both an M6 (classic, not the reissue) and an MP, I purchased the MP to celebrate a significant milestone in my life and because I had the funds to justify the expense. Despite owning the MP, I still enjoy using my M6. The MP’s glossy black paint is undoubtedly stunning, and it’s in a league of its own aesthetically. However, the classic M6 models are also beautifully designed and well-constructed. While the MP does feature a better viewfinder, it’s worth noting that you can upgrade the M6 viewfinder for a similar experience. In short, the M6 offers exceptional value and usability for most photographers, making it the more practical choice over the MP.
I would absolutely recommend an analog M camera before a digital one, as the digital M’s are way more frustrating. I’d also steer them towards an M2 instead of an M6, and they can still have money for a viewfinder upgrade and a lens. The M6 reissue is basically the same price as an MP too, at least last I checked. As for the more practical choice… I’d go for the Nikon F2 and basically every single lens throughout the focal range haha. There’s not much practicality in Leica! Thanks for watching and the thoughts mate. There are no right and wrong answers here (unless you were to say the M6 is better than the MP 😂)
Glad to see you back frank… lol u never share your experience with m11.. m6 is legend man, if no m6, we probably wont see a day mp was born lol… i have a couple of M6 but it’s TTL and u kno their brass materials too
Great points! I recently sold my M11 for similar reasons. It feels like it’s trying to be both an analog and a digital camera but ends up failing at both. I made a video about it too-feel free to check it out!
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They’re all great cameras. These dumb clickbait videos are so tiresome. You prefer the MP? Great. Just talk about that- that stuff is interesting. “I like “x” so “y” sucks” is a crashing bore. Couldn’t make it more than halfway through.
I disagree! It was an easy watch and well done. I think people forget that to title a video, you have to sum up 10 minutes or however long into a few words that are not only relevant, but grab people’s attention. Maybe if you would have watched till the end you would have found the title relevant to the video. If you disliked the video so much, why not just leave? Why do you feel the need to put someone’s work down? Haters always gonna hate I guess!
is the nikon fm2 the one to get?
Depends on what you’re after mate! I’ve owned the F3 and I was going to get the F2 recently but decided to go for the FM (first version) because it basically had everything I wanted in a backup 35mm camera. The FM2 gives you 1/4000 which is pretty nice!
suggest 0.72x or 0.85x if use 50mm more frequent
Where do you have your photos processed and scanned?
I do it all at home which is why they suck 😂
@@FrankDavalos Bro. They don't suck. The photos in your video are stunning. Give yourself a little credit. :). Could you do a video on how you process and scan them?
Haha thank you 🙏🙏 - honestly I’m such a lazy scanner, I feel like I’d set people up for failure! But yeah I’ve been thinking about live streaming the process one day since I feel like I’m always doing it haha. Thanks for watching and the nice comment 🙏🙏
@@FrankDavalos Thank you. I look forward t your live stream one day. Happy New Year.
Thanks very much for this great review. As a result I just bought an MP in great condition . After years of M3 happiness I finally decided to go with a camera with similar looks and feel with a light meter.
Thanks for watching! Normally wouldn’t encourage anyone to spend so much money on a piece of kit, but in this case, I 100% recommend! 😂
I totally agree about feeling being there with film, that is why I'm still shooting film! There is a quick fix for the M6 winding lever, just change it for the old version. An in regard of flare with older viewfinders, you can get installed an MP coated window (it solved the problem with my M4).
Bought an MP a few months ago after selling my M6 and couldn’t be happier. It really is that much better. The main reason for my switch was that the light meter in my M6 was slowly dying and it’s not serviceable, which is not a problem the MP has.
People will always hate on Leicas and expensive cameras in general, but who cares. If it gives you joy and you can afford it, it’s your business and yours only ;) Plus I think it’s much smarter to buy an MP rather than the latest digital camera which is only going to depreciate in value.
100% agree! My Sony A7IV is worth half of what I paid for it and it has hardly even been used!
Amsterdam Camera Repair made a new light meter circuit for the Classic M6, so they are actually still servicable.
Love this video. I am feeling the same way at the moment, been chasing a bit of an analogue dream in a digital world (coming from my school days shooting only film). I have an M10M, which I do really enjoy, but you basically summed up exactly how I have been kinda feeling about the digital M experience in general. My wife has a Q2 and as much as I don't want to admit it (an "M is M" and all that), but somehow the Q just makes sense as a digital shooting experience. Whenever I pick up a film camera its a whole other level of enjoyment. Been on the edge of selling an organ and picking up a M-A, but seeing your experience maybe the MP is really the right choice. How's the black paint treating you, that's been one of my main concerns, it looks great brand new, but gets all beat up quick and not sure I buy into the whole brassing being beautiful and a sign of your long years of use haha. Anyways, just wanna say thanks!
Great to hear mate. The M10M is a beautiful machine, I enjoyed my time with it but eventually went back to the Q2M as it made more sense for me. As for the BP MP, I love it when it gets tattered. To be honest I wish mine was more used looking, but even after 3 years it still looks pretty. I prefer the look of used BP vs a used black chrome camera personally… but you can always go for the silver, as it’s always classic and beautiful! Thanks again for watching Chris! 🙏
Love your shoots.What BW film do you used? Thanks.
Thank you and thanks for watching. 🙏
Mostly Tri-X and HP5, but there’s also some Kentmere in there, which surprised me at how good it is!
Hey Frank, so excited to see a new video from you, specially regarding the MP! To be honest every time I was in the market for an other Leica M camera, I watched your videos and your MP video back then sealed the deal for my MP purchase. At that time you already sold the MP for the MA, but I wanted to have a light meter integrated after shooting with the M3 for a while. Was able to sell my M6 for a good price + my corroded M9 and got my MP for a very good price second hand.
Love that beautiful BP and the viewfinder is more flare resistant as you said. Only when I shoot 50mm I miss the M3.
The only thing I find annoying on my MP is the softer leather finish compared to yours. I had the more sandy finish once in my hand I would prefer that compared to the now more softer leather finish. Otherwise I just enjoy the camera and lets see how it will brass over time.
What was your lens choice for the last 3 years on the MP? And which colour film do you usally shoot?
Awesome video man and 6:00 is just mindblowing!!!
Thanks so much for your kind words man. Warms my dead little heart to hear you say all that. The two lenses I use on it today are the 28mm Elmarit (latest version) and the 50mm Summilux ASPH (non-close focus version). I would say the only two lenses I’d love to one day add to my kit is maybe the 35 lux FLE (I sold it and miss it sometimes) and definitely the 50mm Summicron DR. I might try and pickup an M3 or M2 with a DR at some point. As for colour film, though I don’t shoot a lot, I’d say I mostly shoot Kodak Gold 200 or Cinestill 400D. My favourite of all time is Ektachrome (the photo at 06:00 was shot on that) but at $40 Canadian per roll plus $20 develop, it’s not an every day type of film. One or two rolls a year unfortunately. Thank you so much for watching and for getting rid of that M6 for the MP ;)
@ you are welcome and as I said it’s exciting for me to see a video from you pop up:). thanks so much for your detailed responds!
I’ve sized down my Leica kit as good as possible :D and use the MP next to the Q3 43.
My lenses for now are the Voigländer 28mm + 50mm Color Skopars, since my eyes don’t see the differences on film compared to Leica Glas (currently selling my 50mm Lux and 35mm Cron latest version). But hearing your experience I might reconsider haha 😂.
I didn’t want to add a true vintage Leica M to my collection but found an almost steal M2 with that 50mm Cron DR. If you want you can check the thumbnail on my channel of that M2 - excited to shoot with that 50mm DR :)
That’s awesome man! The Skopar lenses are great lenses. You’re right the difference on film shows up less and less. I’ve never used the 28 Skopar but I just love the Elmarit a lot, it’s one of my fav lenses ever. And the 50 lux really shines on slide film and I just love ASPH on film, but I think there are lots of 50mm lenses that can compete. It vignettes considerably which can sometimes be a bother. I will def check out that M2/DR vid on your channel, that’s one of my fav combos ever! Thanks again mate
Fully agree with all you points , I have a similar MP an early one like your 299xxxx serial. I love that thing, digital M does not give me that. I do have an M7 to go along with this and it’s a great match
Thanks for watching man. I love the early ones! Shark skin >
I just purchased an M-A in black chrome from Tim Lei. Waiting on delivery! It will join my M11s.
I’d pickup a MA too want that metal back ISO dial
I like the look of the M-A better and would like to have a MP that's not glossy black. I just can't work without lightmeter though
The M5 is lovely to use
I’ve never actually used it, I’ve just held one - I just like to joke around!
M digital is insanely sharp. But to my eye, it's too sharp. It's too clinical. And that leaves me somewhat cold. But when I look at good Leica film shots, wow, it's so much more. It's like looking into memories, and feelings. I've got an M4-P which is boss.
Yeah dude! I used to have an M8 and loved it for it's imperfections and build quality, especially loved the IR compromised sensor. Unfortunately, it died as most if not all electronic products will. After I got an MP and then found a great M9 and was hoping to love it as much as the M8 but it just felt "hollow" in it's build quality and purpose. My Sony A7iii is such an amazing feat in consumer technology and makes great pictures!
Using the Sony feels like a reminder to keep pushing forward and experiment and using the MP feels like a reminder to look back a bit and appreciate things that are simple and well built.
I think the light meter arrows point the same direction as the aperture on the lens. Making me think they expected photographers to pick the shutter speed and then adjust the aperture rather than pick aperture and change shutter speed. This may be bc so many folks came from sunny 16
Likely right, and that’s exactly how I use it. But when I do eventually need or want to adjust shutter it is just one small detail that I still haven’t got perfectly used to after 3 years. Problem solved on M6 TTL and M7 though. If they could make a small dial that turns the way it does on the M7, that makes this camera even more perfect to me.
Hey Frank, so did you just not like digital Leica? Curious, because I’m struggling with my M10-P. I prefer my M-A over the M10 and just like the whole film process overall. Unfortunately, probably going to ditch the M10 at some point because I just can’t get on with it 😢
Yeah I think that was it. I’m just not really into Leica digital M cameras. I have an M9-P and it has been my favourite out of all of them, but I contemplate everyday whether I should sell it and get an M2 or Nikon F2 and just go all analog. My two trusty companions are the Q2M and the MP!
@ ditto. I think about selling it everyday and what I could replace it with. Hell, for the amount of money I could get; I’d possibly be able to get another m analog, lens and some decent medium format cam. I’ve been all analog before and no issues there. I had hoped adding the M10 would be some fluid analog/digital hybrid experience but unfortunately it has not. Has only given me more doubt about digital these days. Unfortunately, Leica digital is not the same feel and experience as Leica analog. At least, that’s been my experience 😢
Wow! 3 years! Geez! My M3 from new is 57 years old! Pro work, news riots, floods,mayhem! Then my personal work. Travels to deserts, snow and ice climates.. Tens of thousands of rolls. Also my most repaired camera! Nikon f from 71! Least repaired is my Pentax Spotmatics and K mounts!
I’d love to see some of your stuff. Are you posting on RUclips?
What are you scanning with?
Various setups in these photos. Epson V600, Sony A7R3 with 90mm macro, Sony A7IV with same… using essential film holder for most but have since upgraded to negative supply… not a big fan of the EFH. I’m a very lazy scanner
If batteries aren’t an issue with you then why not a Leica MA. Also with an MA there’s no battery annoying battery cap.
Agree with you about the plastic advance lever. One reason why I just kept my M2’s and M3. I also love my M2 with no self timer. As a side note if you have a chance to get older Leicas without a self timer get it over any one with one. CLA’s with self timer cost more and if your self timer jams, you’re screwed because your shutter can’t be released.
Had the M-A and I just connected more with the MP I guess, I like the black paint. I don’t find the battery cap annoying in any way. I had an M2 without self timer and it was great! Thanks for watching mate 🙏
Great video Frank and I must admit I love my MP too, although I do also have the M11-D which is also great it is just different to shooting film. I agree there is certainly a more emotional connection with film than digital. The only thing I dislike about the MP is you have to turn it off to save the battery
That’s actually something I didn’t mention and totally agree with. I’m pretty good at always turning it off but it is just one small thing that can be a little annoying
1:37 we need to use “rigamaroll” more often
In my opinion M6 is very overrated. As an M3 user, I don't understand why people are paying so much more for what is arguably the least well constructed of the entire M series line of camera.
the shot at 6:00 is insane 😮
I bought my MP late 2021 as well, right before my first child was born
Hey thank you! One of my fav photos ever for sure. If you factor in the MP, the Lux, Ektachrome and a Dev, it’s one of the most expensive photographs I’ve ever taken 😂 - you sharing that made it all worth it mate! Thanks so much for watching! #dadtography4lyfe
Which is your favorite black and white film?
Tri-X and then Kentmere 400/HP5 either or
I've owned every film M varient at various times, even the M5 and MDs. Yeah, the M6 is by far the least enjoyable to actually shoot as a daily carry. Beautiful to look at, but the M6 felt the worst built in hand. Especially when Leica glass is attached to it's body. Also, I lusted after the Black Paint MP. Got it, but felt off with it...then had the opportunity to get an MP in silver...oh baby, MP in silver just felt even more Solid and enjoyable. Cheers!
It’s on my list! Dream is to double fist a black and silver MP!
I'm going to murder this analogy I recently read but I'm forcing it to fit Leica's. Leica analog M's are like Air cooled Porsche 911, an MP model being the street version with no racing stripes just shiny black paint and chrome accents, the M6 is just like a racing 911 air cooled with the rewind crank like a racing spoiler and plastic film advance tip all coming together to make the experience a little smoother and faster. I've never owned a Classic/TTl M6 or MP for that matter but I have shot with them before. I did recently buy a (2022)M6 and can say that it feels like an MP with M6 badges or if were sticking to my analogy, like a museum grade air cooled 911 with racing accents. I have to agree with you there is nothing like shooting with a Leica M(6)P, I'll probably shoot my M11 at some point but so far every time I pick it up, I keep looking at my (2022)M6.
I like my M3 the best , my other Leica is the MA both are chrome , and the chrome finish on the M3 is stellar deeper and just looks " quality " , my other Leica is the SL3 , and I have not used it much yet. Otherwise I use 6x6 cameras , film.
Love the M3 too. One day I’ll get the Hassy 500cm. On my Mount Rushmore!
I have the m3 and ma too. I use the ma more these days, but the ease of the shutter button on the m3 is in its own league. It feels like nothing is there in a good way. My ma has a stiffer button(probably doesn't help at slow shutter speeds). Idk if that will change one day or not.
@blackcrackedpepper7833 I’ve heard that actually. I’ve never noticed myself. At any rate, both are incredible photo making machines!
with you ! my MP gets every other day use, while the M10 and M10M only get once or twice a month use.
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Thank you.
That lever can eff right the eff off.
I have a newish black MP and a silver M2. I am disappointed with the black paint which scratches easily. I also made the mistake of getting the rewind adaptor which scratched the plate. IMO the shutter sound and build quality on the M2 feels better but overall the full frame lines and light meter of the MP wins as the best option. As I write this I am in my camper van just recovering from a 18km alpine hike in the rain. I changed lenses on the go in my camera bag and also changed film in the bag so not precious with my MP. The rewind is a little slow especially when the fingers are numb. I also value film shots more than digital. I actually got rid of my digital camera as it was too much trying to use both.I have 6 lenses 15mm, 21mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm & 90mm so it is a lot to carry but at least the lenses are light. If I am going to epic locations in poor conditions I take both bodies and use 1 lens on each so I don't have to change them on the road. I use HP5+ 400iso with the MP and 800iso with the M2. Works well.
Sounds awesome! Yeah that rewind accessory ruins the cameras. But agreed, black paint scratches over time, but I almost think it looks better when it begins to look used. Big M2 fan here, no need to convince me! My second fav of the lineup!
I have a black MP and silver M6. I thought the whole point of the black paint Leica is scratching over time. Otherwise, I would just get black chrome or silver.
18k rainy alpine hike!! You sure know how to live. I spent a decade hiking around BC and Alberta with my cameras. One day I'll get back to the mountains. I can't imagine how freeing it would be to just bring the analog Leica. The experience of complete simplicity, man, nature, elevation, and the 35mm rangefinder. Pumping photos through that film compartment. I always made those treks so complicated. When an analog camera started joining me, it was medium format accompanied by digital. I did get smarter near the end and swapped out the SLRs with rangefinders. I'm getting nostalgic.
@@JHurrenPhotography Yeah a great day. The trick is never to immediately remove the film or lens from the camera once back in the warm van. The gear needs to get it back up to temperature first otherwise instant condensation. Cheers & regards.
I love the Leica cameras and film as much as the next guy but come on, digital cameras run circles around film. I wish I had the same reaction as you when I pick up a Leica to be motivated to shoot film but I just can't anymore. The D810 for me is a billion times better than any film camera. And that's coming from an owner of p67ii system, Leica M-A, Nikon F cameras etc. Like you said, it's just a huge time sink.
I didn’t say digital cameras didn’t run circles around film haha. Not one time actually!
Agree on the annoyance with the shutter dial on the MP vs the M6 TTL. I also like the larger dial but, for me, the MP is the better built and more fun to use camera..
Me too mate!
Leica are about to release 2 new models. The idea for the first model is to attract more Millennials to buy their cameras, so they're gonna name it the Leica M-minem. The 2nd model will stray from the subtle and sophistication that we have come to know about Leica cameras to play instead with bright and popping colours. That will be called the Leica M&M. You can lick that too I heard. It's the way you tell 'm.
I really think digital M users do like using it LOL It's basically the only way to work and focus with a rangefinder in digital (set aside this Pixi project...). And whoever uses the M digitally surely mostly uses it through the rangefinder and can turn off the screen and thus save battery.
Yeah I know haha. You could tell I was working that thought out as I was speaking… my fatal flaw
I totally agree making a photo is more rewarding than just taking a photo. Is it worth getting a Leica film camera if a person only plans on using voightlander lenses ?
Why not?! Voigtlander lenses are great!
Great talk ! 🙂 love having these long-terms experiences on a camera, much more valuable than the "just released" camera reviews. I am still in a huge dilemma of whether or not I should go with trying a film journey, beside my digital camera. If so, I'll definitely gravitate around the M6 or MP, depending on the budget... but your video gave me a lot to think about 🤣 You mentioned several points such as the "not so good" resolution of 35mm film, the much better feeling you have with film M vs digital... I'd love to hear more from you on the film vs digital topic. I am currently shooting with a Nikon ZF and voigtlander M lenses on it, which is a (digital) joy for me. I was thinking about taking an M10-R or M11 beside, because I've been completely spoiled by the resolution these cameras can offer, but as wired as it sounds, I feel it is not "healthy" for my photography and the ZF 24mp sensor is actually plenty enough if I'm being honest, I just have to compose a bit more carefully, which is a good thing at the end. So may be it's now time for me to go for an analog M and trying the experience, which for me sounds like going the opposite direction as let's say an M11 (digital + very high res, vs 35mm film and analog). Anyway ! It is great to see you back on YT, keep publishing this kind of talk and the great photographs we can observe during the video 😊👍 By the way, I thought you loved more your Q2M, but apparently the MP is the goat for you haha
Thanks for watching! If it were me I’d keep the Zf and pair it with an MP. The soul of the Leica M experience is analog.
Q2M is def my favourite digital camera of all time! Then the M9!
Love my recently acquired Black paint MP as well.
I agree with most of your points, but I would recommend that most people start with the M10 (or any digital M) before investing in an M film camera. I would also suggest choosing the M6 over the MP for several reasons.
A digital M is an excellent introduction to the rangefinder system and photography in general, as it provides instant feedback on composition and focusing accuracy. This immediate learning experience is not possible with a film M, which inherently requires more patience and practice due to its lack of instant results.
As for the MP versus the M6, I wouldn’t recommend the MP solely because of its higher price. While I own both an M6 (classic, not the reissue) and an MP, I purchased the MP to celebrate a significant milestone in my life and because I had the funds to justify the expense. Despite owning the MP, I still enjoy using my M6.
The MP’s glossy black paint is undoubtedly stunning, and it’s in a league of its own aesthetically. However, the classic M6 models are also beautifully designed and well-constructed. While the MP does feature a better viewfinder, it’s worth noting that you can upgrade the M6 viewfinder for a similar experience.
In short, the M6 offers exceptional value and usability for most photographers, making it the more practical choice over the MP.
I would absolutely recommend an analog M camera before a digital one, as the digital M’s are way more frustrating. I’d also steer them towards an M2 instead of an M6, and they can still have money for a viewfinder upgrade and a lens. The M6 reissue is basically the same price as an MP too, at least last I checked. As for the more practical choice… I’d go for the Nikon F2 and basically every single lens throughout the focal range haha. There’s not much practicality in Leica! Thanks for watching and the thoughts mate. There are no right and wrong answers here (unless you were to say the M6 is better than the MP 😂)
M10-R and yes, it’s just sweet. Have a Barnack and an R4 for film. They are all great experiences and all very different.
My buddy had an R3 and it’s such an underrated camera!
I get a similar feeling when i look across my room and see my leica ma too, lol
True, the MP is objectively better.
Glad to see you back frank… lol u never share your experience with m11.. m6 is legend man, if no m6, we probably wont see a day mp was born lol… i have a couple of M6 but it’s TTL and u kno their brass materials too
The M-A is GOAT!
FACTS 🎉
M3 + M-A is GOAT COMBO
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They like Digital M’s because they hate highlights! 😂
Hahaha 😂
Enjoyed the video and your thoughts.
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Great points! I recently sold my M11 for similar reasons. It feels like it’s trying to be both an analog and a digital camera but ends up failing at both. I made a video about it too-feel free to check it out!
always learning fm your video. MP is lovely camera..
So happy to hear that my friend! Much appreciated!
@@FrankDavalos what kind of use your rens ?
In this video, mostly the 28mm Elmarit/Ultron II, 35mm Summicron; 50mm Summilux/Summicron DR - but I only have the Elmarit and 50mm Summilux now
Wasn‘t the M‘A the best Film camera for you ?
nice guy!
I agree that the M6 is over rated.
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MP 4L
Didn’t you… sell your M6 and MP for an M-A? And now you’re back to the MP?
Precisely! And here to stay!
Great to have you back, man! 🫡
Hey thanks for sticking around and kicking it with me man! Big plans for 2025. 🙏