Can you tell somebody is gay from their face?
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Gay face is a real thing. The science is so fascinating as to why it might exist, and much of the research is meant to help understand the biological impacts of being queer. Today we talk about gay face, do we have it, what does it MEAN to have it and why do so many gay people look the same. The information will likely shock you!
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The idea that ai is being used to identify gay people gives me an icky feeling
ALL AI gives me an Icky feeling, and I am no Luddite by far!
It's nazi style 2024.
That study, and that process, has serious methodological problems. In the hands of people who think it's a real thing, it can be dangerous. It's not the AI, it's the people who use it, who are dangerous.
While I dislike the AI being able to identify them because of things that it may be used for, it does give me the validation that I can always point to such study when you make an argument that someone is likely gay. I'm straight but i've always had a good gaydar. It's just a pattern and you recognize a patttern, but you can not proof it. It does not matter if anyone is gay or straight, but I just like to predict the most as possible about people without knowing them. It feels like a superpower and is a fun game. I'm into personality stems too like mbti which classifies people. Everything is a system if you're smart enough to see it.
not just icky for me it's dangerous especially in countries where it's still concidered a crime to be queer and they are installing cameras all over and planning to have it or already are connected to AI analysing those foutages !
Funny these studies don't say much about eyes.👀 My gaydar depends a lot on eyes🙆🏾♂️.
My comment also mentions this!
Yes to gay face and gay voice. I’ve been out 50+ years. I have a fey lilt to my voice! So, we all have something. No science background so it’s a surmisal only.
Is it like if you go to the gym and if their eyes are like checking on you, then they might be gay? 🤣
@@theYorkies 😆
@@theYorkies deceased
My gaydar is just autistic pattern recognition and a deep need to only be around safe people.
Gosh darn I can relate
I scrolled for this, and I didn't have to scroll far.
I'm not even surprised. 😌☕
❤❤❤
"need to only be around safe people" -- you have been conditioned (inappropriately) by certain people and narrative-pushers around you. I also used to think like that. I didn't have my first real hetero-friend until I was 25 y/o. But once I did, I realized what kind of 'bro' bond I had been missing out on. And as time progressed, and I left my self-confines of 'fear' of "unsafe" people (hetero men), I realized that hetero men were FAR less 'dangerous' or 'aggressive' or 'mean' or 'discriminatory' (or whatever other word I had used to paint them all 'unsafe') than I had been groomed to think they were. The people who control society are working very hard to push these divisionary thoughts upon you. Because this is how they get 'votes' (or clout or influence or monetary control) - votes based upon your fears of 'the other', rather than based on what that person can do to better society as a whole.
@@AlexAnder-rv1gu you are making a whole load of leaps that don’t apply to me in your statement. I’m sorry you’ve had that experience but it is not mine so please don’t assume you have the first clue about my use of safe people.
I notice that many gay men (including the older ones) have boyish puppy eyes, large cute innocent eyes. It’s one reason why gay men are seen as more youthful, even adolescent.
And when they smile, they show their teeth a bit too much.
predatory eyes and deprived
Cuz we aren't weighed down by the horror of having children.
@@BabyMaharaja0 “deprived” 😭
Well, except for the millions of gay men who have small eyes and normal sized eyes. What you're telling us is what you look for - not what all gay men are like.
Why don't they do these with identical twins? In the Netherlands there's a research institute that uses fraternal and identical twins for genetic research, so there should be a way. My brother is straight, I'm gay and we're identical. I still had a gay face. So please scan all the twins where only one is gay
Studies showed that identical twins who grew up apart grown up to be more alike in terms of personality, mannerism, etc than twins who grew up together, as they often try to establish their own identity from the other.
I read somewhere that identical twins are more likely to have the same sexual orientation. Likely. Definitely not a sealed study.
But still, enorm interessant!
@@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536 Actually research in the Netherlands has shown that it's more likely for both identical and fraternal twins that only one is gay, but with identical the likelihood of both being gay is higher than with fraternal.
64 year old identical twin here. I am gay and my brother is straight. My family created countless photos of the two of us posing in front of the camera as kids. We were quite identical looking. We even came in 2nd place in the Los Angeles County Fair in 1965. Just about every family member comments.."I can tell you apart by your eyes." So I would tend to agree that the eyes are special in this way.
As a gay man, I figured two things out when it comes to coming across as gay -
Using your neck when talking
Using your hips when walking
Yep. And (butch) lesbians tend to walk with their shoulders like straight men do.
damn the neck thing is to true
Hey don’t call me out like that
Personally I take not of hand and eye movements when talking, as well as hips in walking and posing; I walk VERY fast, utilising all parts of my lower body. Then in talking or listening I often use my hands to convey things, or articulate my eyebrows while keeping my eyes at their usual partly closed look, which could come off as tired or dirty depending on the rest of my expression.
But how do you mean neck? I know some people including myself might cock their head to one side at times, but that’s one’s head, not neck.
Also the way you stand up or just stand.
as a gay indian guy whenever i am in a gay bar people assume i am straight and only there to support.. the stereotypes prevent gay men from socializing with me.. its 2024 but still stereotypes 🤷♂️ i guess media is a reason.. if there were gay indian models things might be different i hope to become one someday 😄
My gaydar only works for white gay men since, as you point out, that is the stereotype. I'm working on it to get it recalibrated to include sexualities between intersections. I also sometimes mistake white gay men for het.
There's less representation for people of color in general, unfortunately. Being queer and Indian is somewhat easier to go undercover, but it would help if the stereotypes were less set in stone. Good luck to you on becoming one!
This! I have a really flat affect and am constantly called "an allie"when I go out 🙄💀💀
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@@Paradisemisplaced 🙄💀💀
The contrast between such a serious subject like such research and 2 obviously gay guys talking about it in a funny way makes the video funny as well as informative. Usually, the 'serious' research topics are not hosted in such a way
Gay guy without gay face: Ian McKellen. Completely caught me off guard.
I dunno, if you Google photos of him when he was young it's a bit more obvious. Very boyish looking in his twenties.
Dave Ruben
Without accessories, my face is pretty indifferent about being gay, with its strong lines and scars, but for my eyes; naturally excellent eyelashes and almost always partly closed looking eyes. I’m like a gothic version of Beau from animal crossing in terms of default expression. I even wear jumpers rather often, albeit ones with sigils & images of gothic things on them.
TLDR; One should note, there are (at least) fifty shades of gay.
@@dhawkins1234How obvious????? Oh cool so he didn’t crack that’s not relevant
There are always exceptions to the rule. For example:
Raymond Burr
Will Geer
A friend of mine from high school. Not effeminate at all in speech or mannerisms, not overly butch, just a guy. Motorhead, football fan and sandlot player...(Now that I think of it, there was a pro football player who came out like 40 years ago). And a guy I met once in a weekly meeting type of situation. The group met for 12 weeks, and about 3 or 4 weeks in, "gay" came up in the discussions, and relevant to that, he outed himself to the group. I never would have had a clue.
My gaydar is reasonably accurate, but all these guys were "stealth gay".
But today, there's another ingredient in the mix. I've noticed that men in general seem to have softer voices in generally higher pitches than they did decades ago, and their mannerisms have become more feminized, and I wonder "wtf?". Is it trendy these days for guys to sound and act like they COULD be gay, or maybe is it that gay men are more comfortable in letting it show than they used to be, so I seem to see it more? I dunno.
A person's face is shaped by their speech tendencies and the language they speak. I wonder if this is a small part of the cause for "gay face"?
Interesting theory!
I think what leads people to have "gay features" is less on their biology and more on how they want to present themselves in the environment in which they live in. In a hostile environment, say Uganda for example, you would probably have a harder time identifying queer people as well as having a large portion of the population not realizing their queer self. Society has the biggest influence on the way a queer person would alter their behaviour and appearance.
I agree, I think grooming, expression, and affect play a far bigger role than actual features. If I saw a head shot of Jonathan VanNess, for example, looking serious, I wouldn't guess he was gay. But when he cocks his head and does that cheesy grin, brings his hands into the frame, or pans out, it's pretty obvious. When he speaks it's even more apparent, but even so... I used to have this huge crush on a really cute guy in HS, and pretty much shadowed him... until I heard him speak. He had very "gay sounding" effeminate speech, so my high hopes were dashed. Years later I ran into him at a class reunion... with his gorgeous wife of 25 years. Ya just never know.
@Ratigan2: Or it could be that gay people in Uganda don't want their biological "gay features" to be displayed in a hostile environment. Therefore, they learn or their parents teach them to supress these biological gay features like being very flamboyant. Nevertheless, their gay features are still stronly dependent on their biology.
There is no such thing as "queer." Just admit that you're a cult member.
Yes, I think a lot of the time people will present themselves as gay to make themselves appear available to to other gay men. The same way straight people will try and attract the attention of a woman they find attractive.
It's crazy how a study is focused on physical traits doesn't include POC 🤦
Black gays are hard to detect
It’s called controlling for variables
I agree. I’m an Asian gay man with a short forehead and long nose.
Of course someone brings up color😂
It's a fair criticism of the AI parameters, but these scientists aren't coders they're not going to be able to fix AI's bias with people of color. seems like they had no choice, unless they are scientists with double major in some sort of coding and whatever social science they are publishing in. Let's not lower our expectations, just redirect them to the people who are responsible. Like the other studies that didn't use AI, those scientist made a choice to exclude POC.
Great episode!
I remember when y'all first started doing on-camera videos and my gay-ass instantly thought, "I think they're gay!"
Theory: gay men having a bigger forehead could be an anatomical adaptation to protect the brain when that forehead is being repeatedly slammed into a pubic bone. Sounds logical, yeah?
🤣🤣🤣
Ope 😂😂
Ok, some male celebrities that don't have gay face, imo: Gus Kenworthy, Colton Haynes, Steve Grand, Billy Eichner (I agree there), Wentworth Miller... Frankly, I think a lot of it is how people carry and express themselves. Some gay faces are only easy to see after you know they belong to a gay.
The other question is: can AI tell if someone is gay or European based on their faces?
He's gay!
And European! 🎵
His looks gay by overall inspection and no beard, Colton Hayes looks gays in the regular just some photos makes him look straight, Steve grand doesn’t look gay but he’s body does idk why, Billy I can’t tell tbh, wentworth miller just looks both tbh.
However miller when he’s younger self I can’t tell
I can tell by the eyes. I don't know what it is but there is something that is just a little off about the look in a gay man's eyes. It's not good or bad, it's just different and I can usually pick up on that.
shit lend me those superpowers plwease
I think that’s more of behavior than morphology. I notice the same thing, gay men tend to be more expressive with their eyes. While most straight people I interact with, regardless of gender, tend to either be making eye contact or looking away in conversation, a lot of gay men will talk with their eyes.
@@craigstephenson7676 I wonder if women have this same observation. Maybe the reason why gay men's eyes are so expressive is because they be checkin' you out👅👅
Yeah, I think our brain is just able to catch those subtle changes. We are programmed to distinguish feminine behavior from masculine behavior. A masculine man doesn't tilt his head when he smiles. A woman does that. So when a man does that, it's coming off as feminine, which equals GAY.
I loved the 137 Heterosexual Gay Men involved in that study. 💜🥰
What.
I think I know what you mean because study with women heterosexual are also attracted to women like 66% and the rest is simplying attracted to men 34%.
Which is influence with hormones, more imbalanced is for both and the one balance is one.
It like menstrual cycle reason show similar result but mostly due to the indirect effect of diet and hormone and we know must people have bad diets
Did you guys mean concave cheeks instead convex? Convex would be cheeks that stick out. Concave would be cheeks that are “caved” in.
Ig they could mean the actual cheekbone that sticks out instead of the check hollows
@@ryanpriye1402 Good point. Cheeks can be both concave and convex at the same time.
@@cobuck4007 fwiw I wondered the same thing. To me, stereotypical "gay face" has sunken cheeks, but of course sunken cheeks have more pronounced cheekbones. So it does make sense if the study meant the cheekbones rather than the meaty part.
Didnt realize you guys had a podcast! So glad I found it.
This is pretty funny and informative. Love to see this stuff bro
... Looks at own profile picture... gay face.
So I don't recall the study or where I heard it, but there was a study on Couples who tend to have similar looking faces, and the study concluded the longer they had been together, the more similar they looked to each other, and the reasoning is because they spend a lot of time together, and thus their experiences and environment were similar, so those things were having effects on their appearance.
I wonder if that has anything to do with gay/straight/political face. Could they be having these similar facial appearances, not strictly because of biology, but environment and experiences?
I think a more logical conclusion would be that indeed people feel attracted to similar looking faces. However, since when they age they also develop the same type of wrinkles because hte face structure looks alike, there are just more (in quantity) traits availiable in the face to look alike.
Also, in my own observation when age I find their feaces become more and mroe stereotypes. So a girl with a pointy chin when she's 12 will likely have a super pointy twin when she's 35. It seems each stage of growth deforms us more and deviates us further from the balanced middleground.
However, all just reasoning and basically guessing here
Damn first time watching the pod and I love Greg's energy. I love well-informed hostility towards injustice.
I like BigClive's theory that gays tend to learn more into the creative/technical side of society so they can create, maintain, and pursue lives without having to spend so much time and energy on raising children. I suppose that also sorta goes along with the "gay uncle" theory. 🤔
A very long time ago, someone told me that gay men have "twinkly eyes." I wondered for years what that meant, even though at times I believed I could see it in some gay people. I think it has to do with being more facially expressive (which would be in line with using a bigger range of vocal tones) and part of that includes showing more expression with ones eyes, making the eyes appear "livelier."
2:30: "Okay, scientists still haven't figured out cancer... why are we going so ham on gay face?"
Check Thomas N. Seyfried.
I don't know about what others are commenting on, but you guys absolutely crack me up!!
I"m straight but I've had strangers say they thought I was gay because of my face. Is it because I have clear skin? I don't get it.
_humble brag cough cough_ 😷😷
@@Ghee_Buttersnaps How is it a brag to say I'm straight and people have wrongfully accused me of being gay? WTF?
Unfortunately the video said they only showed date for white people. I'm black so idk what it is.
it could be you are hormonally or mentally more closer to gay, yet not close enoguh to feel attracted to men...Anything is gradual. What I would be curious about if you are more attracted to very girly girls or more tomboys?
@@PowerRedBullTypology I'm attracted to feminine and girly women. The women I date and sleep with reflect that as well. I'm not into masculine women at all.
might be because you're wearing color contact lenses?
I respect you thinking and asking about an existential question.
That was a great conversation, love how you tackled such controversial topics, and great sense of humor thank you
Everything deserves to be studied, everything is interesting! Another awesome video guys! 🥰🥰
My roommate once told me I had “Old Gay Face.”
I try to look at a guy's face to get a hint if he might be gay; but sometimes I can't see his face because I'm sitting on it, so i have to look for other signs.
real
It’s interesting how gay slang evolves because now I only hear “for shizzle” and “fo’ shizz” from my straight guy friends (and always spoken ironically)
shizzle is black argot, not gay
That’s literally a blk slang, not gay!
Y’all both sitting there with Gay Face, like blatant.
My dad once pointed out the fact that I had a big forehead, saying that he didn’t know who I got that from. In hindsight, I should have answered, “From Uncle Al,” which was probably true.
For me it's a combination of things, appearance, mannerisms and speech. It's not 100%, some gay men don't show it as much, but most do so it's pretty easy and it takes about five seconds to tell.
My gaydar is so good I know before they do 💅
And speaking as a life long dog owner - I swear I've known a couple distinctly gay dogs 🐾 🌈
Most of the time I can see someone is gay from their face, postures, voice, even if they are very masculine jock guy. Sometimes it’s just the twinkle in the eyes or how they gaze. And I’m gay btw😂
The twinkle in the eye is such an apt description. Gay people have more energetic/expressive eyes.
@@bestusernameever6518 My eyes look dead and stoic.
Love you guys, just wish we could get some visuals of who or what you guys are talking about ❤
THE QUARRELLING ABOUT YOUR FOREHEADS LMFAO
I really enjoyed how you presented both studies ( voice and face). It made me think of how much we have yet to know about the conditions faced in the womb or different body chemistry. I learned long ago how a spike of estrogen inutero can give the "male breasts" effect. Just by a spike of estrogen! Its fascinating and a bit scary what our bodies are capable of. Great point on the pros and cons of such studies in the right hands! New sub! Love from Edinburgh Scotland. xx
As a programmer, I have been developing a facial recognition program using AI algorithms and I have to say that there is a huge problem with recognising black faces. You actually have to use a whole separate neural network just for black faces. It is difficult to recognise details because everything is dark.
Hey, Greg, from another Greg (my given first name). I have known two gay guys who looked JUST like you. Both were actually true blondes. One was about 6'2", very Nordic looking (his last name was Nielsen so...), while the other was about 5'5", and I think he was a blend of Irish and German. Anyway, same eyes, same general facial proportions, even similar facial expressions to yours, similar down to choosing the round-lensed glasses! One got me into being vegetarian, the other I got with just once (not complaining, but I am not into Vienna sausages). While I am happily married, I do have a touch of husband envy of your husband for having you to look at. I wish you both well!
Oh, btw, I had both Human Osteology and Intro to Forensic Anth under the 2nd Professor under Dr. Bass, of the Bass Collection at UT Knoxville. You may have heard of "The Body Farm." They don't call it that. Anyway, from my lessons, we learned how to distinguish basics of age, sex, and major racial component. Overlap complicates that, of course. Point being: females tend to have larger brows, because their frontal bones keep growing longer than men, while males tend to have larger jaws for the same reason. Thus, if these facts about gay folks bear out, it truly shows that we do have some cross-sexed characteristics that help explain who and why we exist. Natural Selection is always on, fellas. We persist, because we matter. #HappyPride
Oh, btw, talking of that later boys in the sibship thing my late husband, from a sibship of 9, was the 5th boy. He was technically bi, I suppose. He doted on his mom, and his family. We showed up for every kids' birthday party, all the holidays, we took the kids everywhere, and he made sure they had a car upon h.s. graduation. His family didn't give a penny toward his services. He is in a bag, in a box, on an unused, pre-digital t.v., in our now unused living room. There is essentially a shrine, with the things of his, and ours, including our wedding album, filled to the back page with every movie ticket and county fair ticket we ever attended. Tell each other often of your love, and touch each other tenderly. You never know when it will come to an end. May you both live long, and die together, of ancient old age, in bed, asleep and never know the pain of that loss.
A gay face? Oh, come now! We all have faces, I’ve never found anyone to have that. And that is impossible to parse one from the other. It wouldn’t be as much fun if we all wore everything right out on the surface. But it’s really funny to go from the gay voice to the gay face. I have always wondered about the accent, but I’ve never heard of the gay face!
Thank you. I love the knowledge!
To be fair on the AI, if they were to include black faces they would have to have separate studies due to POV's having different face shapes in general and depending on where the test was taken, the majority of the people could have been white. The same reason for why the AI couldn't produce a black doctor because it's data was either very limited or none at all which is reflective of real life, not a lot of doctors are black and for them to be included in the AI, their has to be photos of them, which since their are more white doctors their are going be hundreds of thousands of more pictures of white doctors.
Another thing to understand is that the AI doesn't understand language like us, it's making an educated guess. When you write 'black' doctor, the AI may interrupt that as a doctor in a black suit and if the data pool on actual black doctors is low, it'll draw that meaning from elsewhere or straight up ignore it because it doesn't understand.
Gay men tend to have brighter, happier eyes. Like, their eyes are smiling.
I think they are onto something with clocking to an extent where people are from! I am American now living in Scotland. I live in an extremely trafficked destination city in Europe ( Edinburgh Scotland). I now can clock an American from a mile away! Just nuances and how they present! Its wild. I never thought living most of my life in America I would be clocking Americans! Also people from the city vs outskirts can be tough but sometimes very easy!
You can tell they’re gay if they start talking about it randomly saying “I have no problem with gay people” or start talking about “don’t ask don’t tell”
I say those things all the time and I'm so straight that I eat a banana with a knife and fork!
AI isn't racist! Keep us black people out of your databases! (jokes mostly but plz no AI takeover)
AI is just AI. It uses information and stuff around the internet so
@@Knytz he was talking more about being happy to be distanced from a.i. It's getting insane
I’m thinking about the VSauce video about looking like your name etc. this is just my preconceived notions but I wonder (esp with the political leanings) if there’s some nurture that ends up changing physical characteristics over time? I def feel like I have a fairly good radar for it on dating apps.
For me, the face is factored in at the end when using my gaydar (mostly for guys), but it doesn't work properly all the time. BTW I just discovered this channel and I love you two!! Keep on being awesome❤
As a teenager, before I gained weight and stuff, people often commented on my big forehead and nose. I've also always had a number of personality traits that made people think I was gay, but I'm actually 1000% only attracted to women. To make things even more complicated I've always kinda wanted to be a girl, but don't think I'm trans, and have consistently been into bi women without knowing they were bi.. Someone please study me, I want a brain scan lol
I've never understood why it matters if being gay is a choice or not. Supposed to be a free country, yea? 🏳️🌈❤
I know nothing about this topic, so forgive me if I'm way off, but...
I think part of the point is that you cannot be 'groomed' into being gay - you just are or are not.
I hear a lot of conservatives expressing fear that 'groomers' will be allowed to 'turn' their kids gay. An example is conservatives get so upset about drag queens reading books to kids at school or libraries which is, apparently, a 'thing'. They seem to be making three false assumptions: that all drag queens are gay, that gay people want to 'convert' kids to being gay, and that gay people and/or drag queens are pedophiles, which I know is not the case.
So, it's important to make people aware that the supposed 'grooming' is not taking place, and that it wouldn't work anyway.
Plus, this knowledge would let parents/teachers/etc relax a bit, and just let kids grow up to be who they are meant to be.
@@gwenmarcus3712 the only "grooming" that can come from this is probably kids becoming interested in gay cultures and mannerisms, but I heavily doubt that it'll affect their sexual orientation.
Because 99.9% of homosexuality stems form the belief that being gay ISN’T a choice.
Calling it a choice is just a strategy for criticism or attack. It implies willful disobedience of social norms, and then that supposedly excuses bullying. The real issue is the bullying.
Great video, these two are always entertaining! Personally I don't think gay face is a thing, in terms of biology at least, only (as mentioned) grooming/modifications/phenotype. Also, the point on studies on what gay (or trans) face looks like being done in good faith is sadly way trickier than we would hope it'd be. In fact, a bunch of crazy deranged transphobes have videos on facial trait scrutiny in order to clock transppl (and it's totally wild and incorrect but since when have prejudiced bigots been rational, amirite!?) specifically to hate on/out them, and not only that, some even go as far off as into a disturbingly deranged conspiracy theory (QAnon vibes, yikes) of hollywood being dominated by queer ppl and tons of celebrities being secretly trans and stuff... It's A LOT. I recommend searching about "transvestigators", Jammie Dodger has a really good vid (w/ Luxeria) on it here.
EYES!! My gaydar works best when looking at a still shot of someone's face straight on. It has to do with a lack of symmetry in the eyes. In gay men, one eye will appear larger/brighter and more directly focused/fixated. The other will appear less intense - more relaxed. Not that ALL gay men have this feature, but whenever I have seen it, I eventually learn that the person is gay. And those who do have it, have it in varying degree. That is - with some, this trait just jumps out at you all the time, with others it appears in some photos, but not others.
The forehead quarrel made me lol.
The Pinocchio forehead thing was hilarious
I didn't realize you were from Toronto until JUST now!
38:41 what did you say?
38:49 no I don’t know because that’s not a thing! they’re too busy pumping loud music to do anything like that so I’m not sure where you get that information from. Like I’ve been there!
The wide-eyed look (which we call “crazy eyes” especially when women do it) is a dead giveaway if it is a regular occurrence.
“He’s bi” “he’s neutered” LOL
Were the choice of microphones, held in your hands and thumbnail photo conscious visual choices? 🤔🤔😉
I feel like being said that you have a gay face in most cases just means that you look very clean, you have good skincare and you meticulously take care of your appearance.
25:45 no why do I just not believe that that is literally contradictory?
28:20 what does that even mean
28:43. Why would countries that accept it? Track those things? It’s just trying to find other category where it doesn’t belong. How you look has nothing to do with which gender you’re attracted to
It's not so much the features but the expressions, I think gays are more expressive with their face
I’ve been told I have a gay face over 4 times by completely different people that had no relation to the other, so now I’m here. I didn’t know that was even a thing 😭😔
My thoughts about AI predicting your politics Im am thinking is more racial and gender profiling along with micro genetics based on where you are from in your state. Like y’all said you can tell a New Yorker, I can often tell if someone was born and raised in certain areas of Texas based on their facial features. My opinion is this will go the way of Phrenology - the popular Victorian era pseudo-science where scientists studied the bumps on your head to determine character traits.
This is also interesting, having formerly owned a medical spa. I feel my husband was a genius with working with gay men and transitioning male to female. He was just naturally good at giving them the look they wanted. But not all injectors are naturals and need to know where to start. I think this information is important to help medical spa physicians and injectors better perfect their art in helping their patient achieve the look they are wanting. Like you said, there are gay males who just don’t look gay but want to look more like who they feel they are. My husband knew to bring their cheek pads forward, to thin 😂out the jaw line and fill out the forehead. But it’s nice to know this validates what he was doing.
Side eye, pursed lips, head bobbing , always smiling or laughing
1:10 if I called you you mean something that is randomly associated with gay people within a certain region
11:00 this is an easy, fun conversation for me (straight old white guy)… we have to occasionally remind ourselves that for some, these traits can be concerning and upsetting.
To ALL, at the end of the day, literally none of this matters. Feel free to be you! If you’re gay, and don’t have a “gay trait”, you’re even more unique and better than you know.
I got a gay friend in south Louisiana high and something happened. Now I like how I look though, he made me
Feel
Good about myself
It's odd to assume these differences in facial features are different for other races. Its problably just the same pattern repeating itself because hormones influence the face. The more you imply ther must be a difference, the more you imply there is actual a significant different between ethnical groups.
Y'all probably should have went with the little clip-on microphones....😂❤😊
Thanks for the info. I wish I knew that in 1992. 🙏
Not him sounding like Shane Dawson at 19:44 😂
gay face is real
As a straight dude this is an interesting conversation and y'all are funny
I am a 71-year-old white male. Would your research about Gay Face be checked on older people? As a straight man I can remember men I have met in the past that I would perceive to be gay. they were all younger men. I can't think I ever saw an older man that made me think he would be gay. Cheers
Short answer: yes!
Yes.
No.
Gay celebrities without gay faces: Judas Priest's Rob Halford, or Wentworth Miller.
14:49 how is Clay Aiken is A little girl face and why is he showing up?
how bout the pretty face of Nicholas Galitzine
I have a dear friend who is married to one of my best friends and he is the most unlockable guy!!! Now I know them in two completely different ways as both were my bosses at one time and now they are my best friends! So in the business mode my one friend who is African American is completely unlockable! His speech and look! Yet now in private he lets his guard down and has a little higher pitch in his voice. His partner my very best friend, he's white and totally clock able both ways! Ill have to find a photo to send! x
I can spot a gay man a mile away, but I've found that in women over 50 it gets really hard to tell. As a 50 something lesbian, I find this very frustrating!
You wouldn't be able to spot me.
37:39 little Richard invented rock and roll and was gay
I think I can tell by a picture about 80% of the time
Are they confusing convex with concave?
what if im bi and nonbinary does that mean they cancel each other out???
Both of them, gay AF - and I just met 'em 30" ago. I wish I could explain to those I have offended 😭 These gay phenotypes would CONFIRM homosexuality being something genetic and I always thought that would be a good thing to acknowledge (and abolish pray away the gay ideas). In any case, I'm very glad it's being talked about more relaxed now!
That green shirt has food crumbs and oil! Ekkkk
I’ve always had a huge forehead and I feel so vindicated after listening to this 😭
I’m gonna say “parse apart” from now on lol
The biggest confounding factor with these studies is that they have to use people who have agreed that they are gay. I.e. they're out - at least to the researcher. That really messes up the research, because everyone doesn't wear their face in a vaccuum. Even Greg says he has sucked in cheeks or whatever if he's being photographed, and lots of people might want to be detected or not detected, but gay face can't be proven either way, even if it's real. For instance, it doesn't surprise me at all that people who look a bit "different" and used to being treated a bit differently are going to be more likely to buddy up with other people who are a bit different, more likely to question their religion, their values, question their sexuality, more likely to come to a place where they'll agree that they're gay for a research project. What about all the "straight" participants who are in denial and desperate to be straight? Well, if the algorithm/humanjudge doesn't clock them as gay then problem solved, but then there's no such thing as gay face and we will never know. If it DOES clock them, then the algorithm/humanjudge takes the false "failure", and gay face "doesn't exist" and we will never know.
Literally the dude on the right says the dude on the right a neanderthal forehead and later on right tells left he has a big forehead and right melts
The affectation of the guy on the left doesn’t make me want to push subscribe or like. That’s what impresses the ‘gay mark’ they’re so obsessed about over his perfectly masculine face.
18:52 they probably trained the a.i on white faces for better accuracy (I'm assuming it was an american study, so a larger demographic of white people in america who will have similar genetic ethnic traits and similarities. best pick for the study so that the a.i was more consistent and accurate. features from other etnicities would vairy drastically and skew results if they just mixed and matched all races together. i.e subsaharan africans having wider and shorter noses on average (which in the case of this study would make them all more straight even if they were gay...?). you'd probably have to train a.i seperately for different race's "gay face"
I’m gay so …… yes. Absolutely.
when we see a face there's all this instinctual stuff going on
Nope, I haven't noticed that.