Election fraud is TINY in this country. Conservative group looking for it for years, was hardly able to find any. The DEMs are not the only corrupt party. GOP is too. You are repeating lies from one of out two corrupt parties.
I can't drive a car without a license, "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!" I can't buy cigarettes or booze without an I.D., "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!" I can't cash a check without an I.D., "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!" I can't rent an apartment without an I.D., "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!"
Those things you mentioned are two different things. There's a larger financial and safety responsibility with what you mentioned. Voicing an opinion, when statistically fraud is almost non-existent or ineffective and there are plenty of ways to verify citizenship, does not and should not require an ID not to mention it also suppresses people with I.Ds from a different state even though they are residents of the current state (like college students who tend to vote blue)
@@fallen4life080 voting is more than filling in a circle on your opinion. You’re literally voting in leaders who can change law that’s enforceable with violence. People must be lawfully here and accountable if they’re going to benefit from and help determine laws. Most people agree with this which is why democrats are walking back their positions. I agree there are a lot of ways to verify citizenship but through IDs and certificates. What are you referring to that doesn’t require IDs?
@@Masaru-mm3em I was expecting this argument, i should've qualified my statement in order to catch it on time. My apologies. "Voting in leaders who can change law that's enforceable with violence" 1. That statement has some undertones of fear mongering and slight exaggerations (which I'll get to below) and 2. leaders don't make laws, they propose laws in which we the people will vote on. That's what make modern democracies great, leadership really has limited power, it all comes back to us. Going back to #1 we could make a stretched out argument that people require ID to buy groceries (like a can of soup) because we fear they'll just sell it on the street for less than market price and thus drive farm prices and agriculture up. So therefore buying groceries is just as dangerous for the economy as voting and buying a car or gun. Silly right? We don't and should not need ID to buy groceries just like voting. Voting is less about who's up for election than it is about simply giving a voice to We the People. This is covered in the first amendment. Voicing your opinion, regardless of who or what is up for election, should not require ID that alienates a certain part of the population that struggles to get ID (not that they can't at all). All voices need to be heard. To answer your question, you can easily look up people by date of birth and or social security. Have you ever been pulled over for a minor traffic violation and not had your driver's license on you? Most cops can find you by your name and date of birth, they'll give you a warning for not having you license and a small speeding ticket, but the point is they don't need ID to prove you are who you say you are. When i registered to vote in Chicago they found me by my address, date of birth, and social security. All stuff i could remember from my head. When i requested a ballot they verified my info to the government database, if i was an illegal they would've found out by then.
@Dillon Then you won't get to vote if it doesn't match your other forms of ID like your social or address. It's called cross referencing. Photo IDs can be fake too, there's a reason state IDs are updated every few years, it's to keep up with fraudsters who always learn ways to make really good fake IDs.
Having an ID is required to: drive a car, buy alcohol, open a bank account, fly, obtain a job, apply for welfare, get married, get a cell phone plan, buy certain over the counter medication and much more... Not having an ID is a bigger problem than just not being able to vote. If you truly want to help people, then help them get IDs. If you want to undermine the integrity of our elections, then don't require people to verify their identities prior to voting...
I’ve been saying the same thing! They are focused on the wrong issue. If getting an ID is so out of reach for some people, then start a campaign to make it easier for these dysfunctional few to get an ID. That will really help them a lot more!
@F L umm yeah you do. I had to show I.D for a firearms class before even getting my LTC ( license to carry). Not only that I had to be photographed, fingerprinted, and submit to a background check. So whatever your beliefs are on this, it’s wrong.
How did requiring voter ID become our cause on the Liberal side? How many people who actually perform civic duties do not have valid ID? I'm as liberal as they come and I call bull$hit on this one.
21 million voting eligible American citizens (11%) do not have valid ID to fulfill the requirements of voter ID laws. The burden to obtain eligible ID typically costs between $75 and $175 and is nearly impossible for many voters to do despite great effort. Voter ID laws decrease voter turnout by 2-3%. The overwhelming majority of these people prevented from voting are minorities, poor, disabled, college students, elderly, or live rural areas or on Indian reservations. Those demographics also tend to overwhelmingly support liberal issues. That is why it is a "liberal issue." It is a surgical strike designed to flip elections in favor of Republicans despite them holding a narrow minority of support among the citizens they represent. Since the year 2000, only 31 out of 1 billion in-person ballots cast have been credibly shown to be fraudulent. Not one single non-citizen has ever been turned away from voting due to voter ID requirements. Please do some more research before calling BS on something you clearly don't know much about. Here's a good place to start: www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
@@ZachariahWiedeman if they are voting, they have an ID. Your citizenship counts as a form of identification. Also every single state has a way to attain other forms of federal identification for free, other than your drivers license.
@@PolReilly No, "your citizenship" does *not* count as a form of identification. Every single state does *not* have a way to attain other forms of federal identification for free. You obviously know next to nothing about this. Thanks for playing. Now get educated: www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
The issue is there's hardly any fraud to begin with. Even in states where you SOMETIMES IF RARELY see fraud by thousands of votes, they get caught, The more fraud the easier it is to catch it, the less fraud the harder it is but the less impact it has. Requiring voter ID to do something as simple as vote is like requiring to be enrolled in college to drive a car. Pointless right?
@@ffffffffffffffffffffffffff6589 That is LITERALLY impossible because no matter what measures you implement people will just adapt and find a new ways around it. It's like saying you want ZERO CRIME. There will never be zero crime unless you mind control everyone. Voting is already very safe, depending on the state or county fraud occurs like .005% of the time that's why states have recounts and measures if the standard error is within half of a percent because it's enough to win or lose an election.
@@fallen4life080 Welp, we still need ID, regardless. By your logic, we should just get rid of ALL laws because someone will break them. No, that is not how it works.
@@ffffffffffffffffffffffffff6589 No, that wasn't my logic. My logic is that you can make it as safe as possible and then have laws that can account for the standard error such as mistakes and fraud (like laws requiring manual recounts). Also voter ID is pointless if they triple check your citizenship. Every state is different but in order to register you need proof of citizenship and they check it before they even register you. They check it again before you get a ballot and then check it again after. Voter ID is redundant. It's like requiring a special type of license in order to get a driver license. What would be the point.
Requiring voter ID just makes sure that the people casting votes are US citizens and not foreigners electing representatives that promise free programs to illegal aliens. It’s not voter suppression to make sure you’re an American citizen voting for your best interests.
Here is an interesting question for you. Where do illegals get all their stolen identities they live under? They have to have one because of all the things you literally can't do without a social security number. However, you kinda need the identity to be from a dead person if you don't want to be found out easily. So, who would have easy access to millions of identities that they could confirm the owners of those identities are dead? I would imagine it would have to be someone in government with access to such information. I mean, we have had government agencies caught doing some shady stuff before, like selling guns to the cartels, so are we really prepared to just not even question if the government, or actors within the government are funneling either fake or stolen identities to illegals? I mean, think about it, with a stolen identity they can vote, and if they can vote that gives incentive to do this to the party most likely to benefit.
@@chrisr3120 why do leftists always need to a wall of text full of unrelated points and hypotheticals to explain why a completely rational thing is actually bad?
In my state they stopped 18 year old high school students from registering. Now most of these students were registered in school when they were 5 years old and tracked until they graduate. How much more do you want? Besides the fact that more people who are young will tend to vote democrat which is why in the same red state they tried to pass a law to force college students to go home to vote and not vote on campus. Failure to drive back to their parents district to vote would result in students having to pay out of state tuition and parents couldn't claim them on their taxes. Republican voter suppression.
I know that you're not asking, in good faith but here is some case law to help anybody else interested in this subject: www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/politics/texas-voter-id-law-discriminate/index.html
You’re Beautiful I'm tired of all you people blaming trump for the choices of past presidents we needed an ID to vote before Obama got in office he got in office and took that away then he started to push for a race war and trump got the blame for that too I'm glad that we in America can form our own opinions and not be labeled racist or a biggot oh wait I'm a republican u don't have that right
raymond sutton I simply stated that our president thinks you need photo Id to buy groceries....per his own words...... it’s called a joke. Because that’s how I see him. He’s a joke.....
I know that you're not debating, in good faith but here is some case law to help anybody else interested in this subject: www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/politics/texas-voter-id-law-discriminate/index.html
We need Identification and documentation for almost every transaction in the United States. I don't understand why you can't do the same to vote. It's the laziest excuse I have ever heard.
🗳According to the new poll, which was published Wednesday, an overwhelming majority of voters-74 percent-support voter ID requirements. Importantly, minority voters, the ones Democrats claim are most affected by the laws, are strongly supportive.
No she didn't. She has always, and still does, oppose voter ID laws with strict requirements that exclude millions of U.S. citizens that do not have the stringent documentation necessary to obtain the proper photo ID or requires some Americans to jump through extra unnecessary hoops that other Americans do not have to. She has never opposed "voter ID laws" in general though. This video interview is about specific laws with specific onerous requirements. Stop making things up. Or, at least provide receipts - actual quotes - when you want to infer someone is a liar.
@@ZachariahWiedeman Re-read your own garbage and tell us specifically *WHO* is having to jump through anymore hoops than anyone else. By virtue of the name, "Voter ID" implies a measure of authentication of one's identity. You saying "She has never opposed 'voter ID laws' in general" *AND* "She has always, and still does, oppose voter ID laws with strict requirements" is *doublespeak* . The *REAL ID ACT* set minimum document requirements to receive an ID or Driver's license...of which, 45 states are compliant. For the indigent, states actually make these documents easy and cheap, if not free, to obtain. The most basic rule of an election is *CITIZENSHIP* , which must be proven to be eligible to vote. This is not new. Do some people fall through the cracks, absolutely. By gaslighting this issue, you and Stacey Abrams have half of America believing these people actually want and are eligible to vote. If there are million of US citizens that cannot get an ID and want to vote...bring them forth, help them get IDs. What kind of Voter ID would make you and Stacey Abrams happy if you do not oppose Voter ID?
@@scottbutler2343 Not doublespeak at all. One can totally support the notion that someone must identify themselves at the polls in order to vote while still opposing laws that severely limit acceptable identification to forms of ID that are difficult to obtain. Let's be perfectly clear: The citizenship hurdle is cleared at registration. To register to vote, one needs a SSN. A non citizen cannot register to vote. No one has ever needed a photo ID to register to vote, because registration is simply the act of matching your a known SSN on file with the government to a particular address. Could this system stand to be improved? Sure. Is it working adequately as is? Yes. Do you have evidence to the contrary? I'm all ears. Once the registration hurdle is cleared, the only hurdle that a voter should need to clear is that when they vote they need to be able to identify themselves as a specific person - a citizen - who is already registered to vote. I support this. Stacey Abrams supports this. Where you and I may diverge, I think, is what is an acceptable means of identification. In the absence of a photo ID, a sworn affidavit, signature verification, and biographical information (such as address and/or birthdate) should be sufficient. In fact, this is the standard in 43 of the 50 states. So, what is your concern here? Are you worried that someone is going to show up at the polls and impersonate a registered voter? Let's see what that would entail: That person would have to have advanced knowledge of where someone is registered to vote, basic biographical information about them, and be able to forge their signature - AND know for a fact that person is not going to actually show up to vote (it is very easy to identify if someone has showed up to vote twice and make both ballots provisional, throwing the incorrect one, or both out). That is a LOT of work - and not easy to pull off. The risk of getting caught is extremely high - just look through the Heritage Foundation's database to see how laughably easy it has been to catch people attempting voter fraud. The penalty for getting caught is also extremely high - thousands in fines, jailtime, and permanently expulsion from the U.S. for non-citizens. The great difficulty necessary to correctly impersonate someone, including forging their signature, and not get caught reduces the number of people who *could* pull off such a feat to something approaching zero. Furthermore, "independent" voter fraud is pointless: The chances of one vote making a difference is statistically zero. For such a scheme to actually work would require a coordinated effort affecting thousands upon thousands of votes (across state lines in the case of Presidential elections). This so greatly increases the chances of getting caught that it becomes practically inevitable. It is basically impossible to pull off such a feat without getting caught. Again, refer to the Heritage Foundation's database of voter fraud cases to see exactly how this is the case. In fact, because of this, the largest attempts at coordinated mass voter fraud have only involved a few hundred votes, were for local elections, and the culprits were *easily* caught. All this leaves you with are the handful of independent actors who are too stupid to do a simple risk/reward analysis and see that it is completely nonsensical to commit voter fraud as an independent actor. The risk of getting caught is high, the penalty for getting caught is high, and the potential reward for success is practically zero. Again, I refer you to the Heritage Foundation's database to see just how stupid some of these people actually are. Might a few of these dummies slip through the cracks here and there? Sure. Can those cracks be sealed with better registration database, ballot handling, and signature verification procedures? Absolutely, 100%. Or here's a thought: Do what many other countries, including Mexico do: Provide people with a free photo ID when they register to vote. Problem solved. Easy. Now, in your mind, I'm sure there still exist some hypothetical mastermind criminal who is super clever and willing to stop at nothing to *successfully* impersonate someone at the polls without getting caught. I would argue that such a person does not exist, but for the sake of argument, lets say that there are a few of these well resourced evil geniuses out there who can identify every person they know is not going to show up to vote, memorize their address and birthday, and forge their signature. Gosh, that seems like a LOT of work. Wouldn't it just be easier to make a fake ID? Do you think these "criminal masterminds" don't have access to fake IDs? Teenagers who want to drink underage sure do. If a teenager can get their hands on a legit looking fake photo ID, do you not think that a well motivated fraudster cannot as well? And wouldn't they just do that instead of going to all the additional trouble of gathering the necessary information to sign a bunch of fraudulent sworn affidavits? When you actually think through this whole thing, it is easy to see why in person voter fraud is incredibly rare. This literally only happens a handful of times per election - certainly not enough to make a difference in the election outcome. That is why onerous photo ID requirements are labeled "A solution in search of a problem." When you consider that voter fraud is so incredibly rare - and so easy to prevent through bureaucratic means - imposing strict photo ID laws (such as the ones in Wisconsin, Kansas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Indiana, Tennessee, and Georgia) doesn't stand to eliminate much fraudulent voting at all. In balance, it places a high burden of obtaining photo identification upon tens of millions of citizens - working class, minority citizens - many of whom are simply unable to obtain the necessary documents to fulfill that requirement. Let's say that the best estimates of people without proper ID documents is less than 10% of what numerous experts and studies have shown it to be. That is still well over a million U.S. citizens who will be disenfranchised from voting. So, I ask you what is worse? Disenfranchising millions of U.S. citizens from voting, or a few isolated cases of voter fraud that cannot possibly effect the outcome of an election slipping through the cracks? Clearly, disenfranchising millions of citizens from being able to vote is morally objectionable. One would need an EXTREMELY good reason to justify such a measure. In person voter fraud, for where there is zero evidence that it is even happening and mainly exists in the fantasies of people's wild (and uninformed) imaginations is not a good enough reason to justify disenfranchising millions of U.S. citizens from voting. Furthermore, disenfranchising millions of poor, minority citizens from voting is WAY more likely to affect the outcome of an election than allowing the current "wild wild west" of possible voter fraud that only results in a handful of isolated cases per year go unchecked. AND REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS. GOP politicians have been caught on tape - multiple times - admitting as much - that they don't actually believe that voter fraud is a problem and they know that strict photo ID requirements will keep far more people who demographically are likely to vote Democrat than those who might vote Republican away from the polls. That is why currently the only states to have such laws are potential swing states and ones with large black of Native American populations (often both). The politicians and talking heads on FOX News all know this is a big sham: There is not a voter fraud problem, and strict photo ID laws are simply going to disenfranchise more Democratic citizens than Republican citizens, therefore swinging elections in the GOP's favor. They are selling you a bunch of bull when they say otherwise. And if you believe that bull: You are a great big sucker. Get educated. Use your critical thinking skills. Stop letting politicians and blowhards on TV tell you how to think. Don't be a sucker. orgs.law.harvard.edu/equaldemocracy/2021/04/11/h-r-1-voter-id-and-the-myth-of-voter-fraud/
@@ZachariahWiedeman Hogwash. Everything you're saying is predicated on the assumption that it is in fact monumentally difficult for some to obtain a photo ID. That simply is not true. Especially in GA where they help people get their state ID for free and instruct them on how to get the documentation required. There is no nefarious objective. Your argument has no foundation, other than what you "feel" should be. Registering to vote with just a SS# is an exception, not a rule. All states require current ID or some other form of verifiable documentation. In the absence of these, handful of states allow either the SS# or last 4 digits that match the person's name and address(residency). Even in states that allow a provisional ballot to be cast, there is still a verification process that must be completed prior to their vote being counted. I guarantee if CA ever flipped red, Democrats would immediately institute more stringent voter ID laws. Leaving out facts to support your belief is tantamount to lying. If there were no fraud, the word "fraud" would not exist...but we live in a world where fraud is committed at every level of existence. To believe it doesn't exist in our voting system is incredibly naive or ridiculously nefarious.
@@scottbutler2343 Serious question: Do you even read - anything? Do you do research and gather facts before diving headfirst into an argument, or do you solely rely on crap you pulled directly out of your butt that smells good enough to you to be a fact, so you call it such? Because you're starting to sound like someone who has never read anything in his life at this point. (1) For MANY Americans, especially Native Americans, blacks born in the south in the mid 20th century, and people born in rural communities, they cannot obtain a proper photo ID because they cannot obtain a birth certificate. That first step alone is *monumentally* difficult for millions of Americans. Many people have been adopted or raised by relatives and don't even know what state they were born in! My own middle-class, white, grandmother never had a birth certificate until she tried to obtain a passport for the first time in her life in her 60's and it took her TWO YEARS of bureaucratic headaches before she could finally obtain one. And not just the time, but the money involved is often hundreds of dollars spent trying to track down a birth certificate - that's time and money that many of the working poor - and even middle-class - simply don't have. www.inquirer.com/philly/news/20140327_For_many_Americans__obtaining_a_birth_certificate_proves_challenging.html#uwK0lz8kfrCapqX6.99 I mean, congratulations: You're obviously white, middle class, and were born in a hospital. Obviously, for YOU having the necessary documentation to obtain a photo ID was quite easy. But, I hate to be the one to break it to you, you might want to sit down for this: Not everyone has the same easy life you have. Shocker, I know. (2) You have completely (and, I believe quite intentionally) misunderstood and misstated my premise. It is not simply about it being "monumentally difficult" to obtain a photo ID - although for millions of Americans, that describes exactly the situation. The point is that it is that any degree of difficulty - any extra hoops to jump through - functions as a form of voter suppression. Period. Any behavioral economist could tell you that. Putting an unchecked box on a form to opt-in for organ donation doesn't seem like a huge hoop to jump through, but it measurably reduces the number of people who donate who otherwise would when asked verbally, or given an opt-out rather than opt-in function. Every extra thing you ask a citizen to do creates attrition and discourages or prevents people from voting. That is just a fact. It doesn't need to be "monumentally difficult" to have an effect. It just needs to be any measurable degree of difficult. So, the question must ALWAYS be: when creating any additional barrier to voting, when creating any additional hoop to jump through, is there a justifiable reason to do so? In the case of these photo ID laws, setting aside the degree of difficulty to obtain such an ID, my MAIN point is that there is not even a justifiable reason to have them in the first place. THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE. They are not preventing mass in-person voter fraud, because pass in-person voter fraud DOES NOT EXIST. These photo ID laws SERVE NO PURPOSE because a valid registration and sworn affidavit and signature matching IS PERFECTLY SUFFICIENT TO SHOW IDENTIFICATION. (3) Everything YOU are saying is predicated on the assumption that mass in-person voter fraud exists and that photo ID's will prevent it from happening. This is a false assumption: There is no evidence for it, and it does not make logical sense. In order to justify adding additional requirements to vote, the burden is upon YOU who are arguing in favor of these additional requirements to justify them. The burden does not lie with me - it is squarely in YOUR lap. You have failed to provide one logical fact-based argument that justifies additional requirements for identification beyond voter registration and a signed sworn affidavit. You state that fraud exists. I don't disagree with you. So, please stop calling me a "liar" or "naïve" or "nefarious" you hyperbolic, nitwit. Okay great, fraud exists. So what? How MUCH fraud exists? Does enough fraud exist to affect the outcome of an election? Does enough fraud exist to justify making it harder - and in many cases impossible - for millions of people to vote? My argument is simply that it does not. Theft also exists. Does every convenience store lock every item behind glass cases? Armed robbery exists. Does every store with a cash register keep their tellers locked behind bulletproof glass? Home invasion exists. Is your home secured like Fort Knox with cameras, alarms, sensors, bars on the windows, bulletproof glass, multiple deadbolts, and an arsenal of weaponry to protect yourself? The answer to all of these questions is, "Of course not." Appropriate measures are taken based on the risks involved. Some measures are too costly to justify the amount of risk mitigated. We are debating the degree of risk and the cost of measures involved to mitigate them. This argument that "fraud exists" therefore that justifies whatever extra hoops you want to create to try and prevent it is ridiculous. If I were a hyperbolic nitwit, I would even go as far as to say it is naïve or nefarious to make such a simplistic argument. The argument is not about whether or not fraud exists. It is about to what degree fraud exists, what kind of measures can be done to prevent it, and whether or not the number of citizens who will be prevented from voting justifies the AMOUNT of fraud that stands to be eliminated. Here is why I think you are a simpleton. You cannot seem to wrap your head around the concept of "degrees of risk." You don't have the first clue how pervasive or likely voter fraud is, and you don't really seem to care: You are content with the simpleminded notion that it merely exists. You don't have the first clue what the cost of burden of your proposed fraud prevention measures are - nor whether or not they would even be effective, and you don't really seem to care: You are content with the simpleminded notion that a photo ID = some fraud prevented, and your thinking doesn't go much deeper than that. I feel sorry for you, really, I do. Or maybe you're the lucky one. I mean, to be so simpleminded. Life might be difficult, but you're too simple to even realize how difficult it is. Fascinating. I honestly can't imagine what it is like to be such a drooling simpleton. (4) "Registering to vote with just a SS# is an exception, not a rule. All states require current ID or some other form of verifiable documentation." Now it is my turn to say "Hogwash." Are you seriously this ignorant? Where are you getting your information? Are you pulling all of this directly out of your Anatomical Nonsensical Uninformed Source? You can register to vote in almost every state with just a social security card, sometimes that is not even requested. Some states require more documentation to prove citizenship, but even these have a wide array of options that accommodate people without a diver's license or state ID card. Alabama: Mail-in registration only requires last 4 of SSN. You can register without an ID or SSN. www.sos.alabama.gov/sites/default/files/voter-pdfs/nvra-2.pdf Alaska: Mail-in registration only requires last 4 of SSN. Social security card is sufficient ID, or you can indicate you do not have any ID and still register. www.elections.alaska.gov/doc/forms/C03-Fill-In.pdf Arizona: Can register to vote in federal elections only without proof of citizenship. Proof of citizenship required to vote in state and local elections and can be established with five forms of ID - only two of which are photo ID (DL, and Passport). www.recorder.pima.gov/Docs/Voter%20Registration%20Requirements%20re%20LULAC%20and%20Prop%20200.pdf You know what? This is pointless. I'm not going to spoon feed you like a little baby every single state's list of requirements to register to vote. You are a big boy. You can go find out for yourself. Do some actual research for once in your life. Seriously, dude, come back to me when you have some actual accurate knowledge about ANYTHING. Clearly, you're attempting to punch way above your weight.
Buying cigarettes, guns, beer, or recreational drugs is a COMPLETELY different thing than voting. Voting is every citizens rights and every voice should be heard. You don't need an ID to buy groceries, go to the park, etc. No ID should be needed for something so simple especially when there's other forms of ID that every citizen has from the time of birth like social security and birth certificates
@@fallen4life080 You’re right. When you buy cigarettes, beer or recreational drugs, the only harm you are doing is to yourself and possibly those in your immediate surrounding. Voting impacts the whole nation, so wouldn’t you think allowing children and illegal immigrants the ability to vote is much more detrimental?
And that right there might be an issue. You can be "racist" inadvertently, it doesn't make you a bad person if you occasionally make some ignorant comments or make assumptions that offend. It just means we need to check our biases. I used to be called racist and didn't think I was. As I got older, like you i came to the conclusion that THEY were racist for making everything about race, then I got even older (30 now) and I realized they weren't saying I was a bad guy, just that my words weren't as innocent as I thought they were.
@@fallen4life080 you ever think the government wants us to think everyone is a racist and they are your enemy so we continue to fight amongst ourselves. I'm not denying racism but they have weaponized it really the main fight should be the highest economic class hoarding all of the wealth at the same time we still all individually pay more taxes than one billionaire wake up yes racisms happened its degusting but now its a crowd controlling tool
@@Aps1218 "you ever think the government wants us to think everyone is a racist and they are your enemy so we continue to fight among ourselves" Maybe when i was 18-22, seems a tiny bit paranoid now to me. MAYBE a few libs might do that, but in order to win votes they have to give people what they want, keeping people fighting doesn't win you votes. What I think it is, is that Democrats and liberals just want people to realize that we are human, we have flaws, we have assumptions and biases, that all can be a little racist but easily fixable. But that doesn't necessarily make everybody a terrible human being or a bigot. Certainly doing something racist because you're human doesn't make you a bad person. But Republicans on the other hand, love to straw man that argument, they like to make people think that liberals are trying to divide us by making everything racist. "They have weaponized it really the main fight should be the highest economic class hoarding of all the wealth" I 80% agree with the first part of this statement and 100% agree with the latter! I do think they have weaponized it, they definitely are seeking votes because race is such a popular thing right now, but, if it means we get to fix those biases and racist assumptions, then that's kind of the point of weaponizing it. I mean, was "slavery" weaponized during the civil war as a means to advance the nation? Could we argue that Lincoln and the Union used slavery as a tactic to gain support? Of course! But in the end it worked out. And lastly, i 100% think the rich should be taxed more, they're still going to benefit from much if what their taxes pay for anyway, it just means there will be more for everyone else. It's not like the Rich paying higher taxes means they won't get Access to tax services like public parks, healthcare, etc.
Needing an ID to do the following ISN'T racist: -Buy/register/insure/drive a car -Open a bank account -Board an airplane -Apply for food stamps -Apply for a job -File for unemployment -Have prescriptions filled -Purchase alcohol/tobacco -Apply for university -Get a refund at a lot of stores -Have utilities -Adopt a child -Get a mortgage -Go to a doctor -Donate blood -Pick up a package at the post office -Purchase a firearm -Obtain social security benefits -Obtain medicare/medicaid -Open a credit card -Get a library card -Rent an apartment -Get a CHINA-19 "vaccine" -Go to jail -Rent tools/furniture -Get married -Cash a check -Go to court -Enter a federal building -Cash a lottery ticket -Apply for welfare -Adopt a pet -Join a gym -Visit a casino -Apply for a hunting/fishing license Needing an ID to do the following apparently IS racist: -Vote Hmm...
Democrats are shameless. She’s Basically saying we want to make it easier to steal elections. Our ideas are not attracting voters, so let’s just cheat more.
@@popkick8350 Glad you made it through 90% of the list then. What's the matter, are you in denial of all the evidence that it was a bioweapon leaked from the Wuhan Lab? It's nothing against Chinese people, but all against the CCP. I am Chinese, FYI.
To Drive I have to have a driver's license. To buy alcoholic beverages and tobacco I have to have and ID. To buy a rifle, shotgun or pistol I have to have an ID.
Does this mean no id, no vaccine, no job, no welfare, no renting or buying a home to live in, no going into a police station or courthouse, no buying cigarettes, alcohol? What do people with no id do all day? And how will they ever get a job or a vaccine? That should be the bigger concern is jobs. If you really believe they can’t get an ID card then I’d say you really don’t care about them if your not willing to help them get one to have life’s basic necessities here in America.
Why is ID laws such a discussion in the US? Here in Sweden and most other countries around the world, you have to show ID as proof of who you are and we definitely don't call it voter suppression. I can't really see the issue of having to prove who you are and your age when voting. Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws
If you dont have the right documents and money, getting an Id can be difficult. The arguement as I understand it and support, is that if id is required to exercise a right then that Id should be free.
Abrams eating 2 buckets of chicken, a package of dinner rolls, a quart of red beans and rice, a quart of cole slaw, 2 chocolate shakes and a bucket of potato wedges at one sitting is stealing from people that actually need food.
I don't get how any of this is racist or any of that nonsense. You NEED an ID for so many things. Voting should be one of them. Stuff like this is what pushed me from the Democrats. They don't make any damn sense
Yes, voter ID is voter suppression, the idea is to suppress dead people from voting and to suppress convicted felons from voting. We want All other American citizens voting. I think voting should also grant a small yet generous tax credit to encourage ALL citizens to vote.
I'm in Vegas and they requested me to get my ID if I am planning to use my ID If, I want to go into any Goverment building.... I don't get it Lol! How twisted is that... 😶
William T. And she lost the popular vote in the states which determines electoral points. Dummy. Who cares that 10 million illegals in Cali voted for her.
I am 100% for voter ID. If your poor and you have any of these things you already have an Id to get to vote. 1) drivers license 2) Medicaid 3) Welfare 4) EBT cards 5) medicare disability 6) Medicare 7) AARP 8) public housing 9) on disability 10) assisted living 11) food stamps 12) utility bills 13) social security 14) cable 15) buy alcohol 16) prescription drugs 17) doctors visit 18) passport 19) buy CBD 20) medical transportation 21) credit card 21) debit card 22) checking or savings ac 23) File police report 24) gun purchase 25) enter any court house 26) get out of jail 27) R rated movies, games 28) file your taxes 29) child credits 30) Hospital admissions 31) nursing home 32) home healthcare 33) car tags registration 34) car insurance 35) air plane tickets 36) bus tickets 37) tobacco 38) warranties 39) register to vote 40) FOS card for anyone who's a con artist, illegal, felon or just a democrat .
Making voter id expensive is one way, to supress voting. Making an adress mandatory, when people are homeless or changing homes frequently...Goverment provided voting id and automatic voter registrations are something that would solve many problems, but repugs want only the rich be able to vote.
She's not assuming she knows that anyone that really wants to vote has a ID or will find away to get one. With no voter ID laws anyone can vote legal or not. Their hate for Trump clouds their minds. When they say whatever it take to get him out breaking the laws is included.
Brian Daniels “HURR DUR TRUMP HATE IS BAD!!!,,,!” oh shut it.... You make blanket statements that because trump is in office anyone with views slightly to his left is Stalin...
A poll of 6000 New York voters showed that 57.3 % of respondents said that they strongly support voter identification requirements for casting ballots in person or by mail. Support exceeded 50 % in all racial, geographic, and political groups, except among Democrats, where it was 49 % What's that tell ya?
I am from the Netherlands and it is normal to show ID when you vote you have to now who is casting the vote and everybody has to have a ID anyway so is not to much to ask to make Sure the elections are fair
010 jordi This has nothing to do with an ID. R Brian Kemp, Was in charge of the very election he partook in and the real criminal activity, He stripped thousands of black people of their right to vote.
@@dulynoted2427 how whould he be able to do that i now the u.s is like Europe in that the states have there own Laws and do a lot them self but this congres whould not accept
All citizens should be required to have ID in order to vote as well as having registered themselves beforehand. I would submit that a person who is ignorant of the candidates and issues should not cast a ballot. Better that they first make the effort to educate themselves. The best representatives in any elected position are the well educated. The same should apply to the electorate.
There is no voter suppression, unless it's the suppression of legitimate voting citizens, after the voting is finished, to actually be represented by their vote. Stacy Abrams is part of the same group that Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, who want a Muslim Caliphate and Sharia Law instead of our Constitution.
Hang on, how do you prove that you are a citizen with out an ID? I totally understand voting is a right but anyone can just walk in and vote for someone else.
@@billeddy4357 Of course anyone without ID is poor….ID is fundamental requirement to function in society.. Costs more $$ to NOT get ID than trivial amount to become responsible member of society.
If Abrams believes Black people don’t know how to get ID, why doesn’t she help them so they can enjoy normal life like everyone else. This isn’t voter suppression. You can’t even open a bank account or cash a check without ID. This is human suppression. State ID in Georgia is Free at the DMV. What is wrong with her?
That is not as true as you seem to believe . In Alabama , the state closed a lot of DMV offices in poor areas , where the residents were primarily black . Even the $30--$40 it takes is a burden to many .
@@billeddy4357 _With at least 12 million illegal immigrants in the country you can't say no voter ID. If anyone in the country needs an ID they have 15 months before the election. If you want election security voter ID has to be part of it.
Brian Daniels - I know , and you should know , that research shows that very few people who are ineligible actually vote . Just because Kris Kobach and Donald Trump say there is a problem , doesn`t make that so . In the past , we have any number of kooks say that they would provide PROOF of voting by those who are ineligible , but the proof never shows up . The concern about the illegals voting is a phony concern. It comes from white people seeing "brown" people in voting lines and assuming that they are illegals . When 13 % of the electorate is Hispanic , you are going to see "brown" people in voting lines . When 12 % of the electorate consists of non Hispanic " blacks" you are going to see "black" people in voting lines . ( Illegals tend to keep a low profile . They don`t generally do stuff to bring attention to themselves . They won`t report crimes against themselves . Yet , you actually believe that they go to voting booths , and cast a ballot , even though that can bring attention and a prison sentence on themselves . )
Gas and beef rose in many ways from ransomware attacks not Joe. It caused shortages for oil and a very small supply of beef. Correlation does not equal causation.
How is voter ID voter suppression? Is showing ID at your bank banking suppression or common sense? Also why does ABC have periods between the letters in ID, short for idenification, as if it is two words? Must be a millenial writing the title.
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Don’t tell Stacey this but you need ID’s to buy and consume alcohol. You need ID to buy and consume Tobacco. You need ID to purchase/watch an R rated film in both theaters and in demand. Practically you need an ID to buy and consume a lot of things. In fact you need an ID to drive a vehicle since your driver’s license is considered a valid form of ID. Where’s the outrage from people like Stacey Abraham’s when it comes to the items where you clearly need ID to buy and consume certain items. The same ID you would use to buy those items is the same ID you would need to vote. Now her counter might be that those items are not a right granted by the constitution and voting is. My response…. So is owning a gun.
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Voter ID isn't rigging the game, It is actually minimizing electoral fraud and improving integrity.
I’d say it’s balancing the game
Election fraud is TINY in this country. Conservative group looking for it for years, was hardly able to find any.
The DEMs are not the only corrupt party. GOP is too. You are repeating lies from one of out two corrupt parties.
@@knightblade0188 ???
In a nutshell, She wants to increase the amount of Democrat voter fraud.
What grown adult in 2019 doesn't have an ID?
MTG Revealed laziness basically. If they care enough to vote they can acquire an I’d. Nobody says ahh you’re black you can’t vote.
According to Democrats, everyone black and brown.
Voter ID is a racist attack against undocumented immigrants.
@@TheKing-uj1de Everything is racist!!!
No idea but I got my ID as soon as I turned 18 it was a very simple process
I can't drive a car without a license, "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!"
I can't buy cigarettes or booze without an I.D., "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!"
I can't cash a check without an I.D., "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!"
I can't rent an apartment without an I.D., "I'M BEING SUPPRESSED!"
Those things you mentioned are two different things. There's a larger financial and safety responsibility with what you mentioned. Voicing an opinion, when statistically fraud is almost non-existent or ineffective and there are plenty of ways to verify citizenship, does not and should not require an ID not to mention it also suppresses people with I.Ds from a different state even though they are residents of the current state (like college students who tend to vote blue)
@Mc Lovin There isn't, voicing your opinion by filling in a circle is just not the same as purchasing a gun or operating a vehicle.
@@fallen4life080 voting is more than filling in a circle on your opinion. You’re literally voting in leaders who can change law that’s enforceable with violence. People must be lawfully here and accountable if they’re going to benefit from and help determine laws. Most people agree with this which is why democrats are walking back their positions. I agree there are a lot of ways to verify citizenship but through IDs and certificates. What are you referring to that doesn’t require IDs?
@@Masaru-mm3em I was expecting this argument, i should've qualified my statement in order to catch it on time. My apologies.
"Voting in leaders who can change law that's enforceable with violence"
1. That statement has some undertones of fear mongering and slight exaggerations (which I'll get to below) and
2. leaders don't make laws, they propose laws in which we the people will vote on. That's what make modern democracies great, leadership really has limited power, it all comes back to us.
Going back to #1 we could make a stretched out argument that people require ID to buy groceries (like a can of soup) because we fear they'll just sell it on the street for less than market price and thus drive farm prices and agriculture up. So therefore buying groceries is just as dangerous for the economy as voting and buying a car or gun. Silly right? We don't and should not need ID to buy groceries just like voting. Voting is less about who's up for election than it is about simply giving a voice to We the People. This is covered in the first amendment. Voicing your opinion, regardless of who or what is up for election, should not require ID that alienates a certain part of the population that struggles to get ID (not that they can't at all). All voices need to be heard.
To answer your question, you can easily look up people by date of birth and or social security. Have you ever been pulled over for a minor traffic violation and not had your driver's license on you? Most cops can find you by your name and date of birth, they'll give you a warning for not having you license and a small speeding ticket, but the point is they don't need ID to prove you are who you say you are. When i registered to vote in Chicago they found me by my address, date of birth, and social security. All stuff i could remember from my head. When i requested a ballot they verified my info to the government database, if i was an illegal they would've found out by then.
@Dillon Then you won't get to vote if it doesn't match your other forms of ID like your social or address. It's called cross referencing. Photo IDs can be fake too, there's a reason state IDs are updated every few years, it's to keep up with fraudsters who always learn ways to make really good fake IDs.
Having an ID is required to: drive a car, buy alcohol, open a bank account, fly, obtain a job, apply for welfare, get married, get a cell phone plan, buy certain over the counter medication and much more... Not having an ID is a bigger problem than just not being able to vote. If you truly want to help people, then help them get IDs. If you want to undermine the integrity of our elections, then don't require people to verify their identities prior to voting...
I’ve been saying the same thing! They are focused on the wrong issue. If getting an ID is so out of reach for some people, then start a campaign to make it easier for these dysfunctional few to get an ID. That will really help them a lot more!
Dont need id to buy a gun tho huh.
@F L umm yeah you do. I had to show I.D for a firearms class before even getting my LTC ( license to carry). Not only that I had to be photographed, fingerprinted, and submit to a background check. So whatever your beliefs are on this, it’s wrong.
@@twatts1523 yeah why is it so hard for american adults to get an ID? Canadian Teens (15 & 16 year old) can pay 15$ Fee for an ID.
@@frankyvr uh yea you do… you’re not very bright
How did requiring voter ID become our cause on the Liberal side?
How many people who actually perform civic duties do not have valid ID? I'm as liberal as they come and I call bull$hit on this one.
21 million voting eligible American citizens (11%) do not have valid ID to fulfill the requirements of voter ID laws. The burden to obtain eligible ID typically costs between $75 and $175 and is nearly impossible for many voters to do despite great effort. Voter ID laws decrease voter turnout by 2-3%. The overwhelming majority of these people prevented from voting are minorities, poor, disabled, college students, elderly, or live rural areas or on Indian reservations. Those demographics also tend to overwhelmingly support liberal issues. That is why it is a "liberal issue." It is a surgical strike designed to flip elections in favor of Republicans despite them holding a narrow minority of support among the citizens they represent.
Since the year 2000, only 31 out of 1 billion in-person ballots cast have been credibly shown to be fraudulent. Not one single non-citizen has ever been turned away from voting due to voter ID requirements. Please do some more research before calling BS on something you clearly don't know much about. Here's a good place to start: www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
@@ZachariahWiedeman if they are voting, they have an ID. Your citizenship counts as a form of identification. Also every single state has a way to attain other forms of federal identification for free, other than your drivers license.
@@PolReilly No, "your citizenship" does *not* count as a form of identification. Every single state does *not* have a way to attain other forms of federal identification for free. You obviously know next to nothing about this. Thanks for playing. Now get educated: www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
Liberals are not democrats
@@ZachariahWiedeman it’s free in georgia
How can such a large group of people lack such critical thinking?
They don't lack critical thinking. They know exactly what they're doing.
Voter ID helps to curb fraud, we need fraud eliminated
The issue is there's hardly any fraud to begin with. Even in states where you SOMETIMES IF RARELY see fraud by thousands of votes, they get caught, The more fraud the easier it is to catch it, the less fraud the harder it is but the less impact it has. Requiring voter ID to do something as simple as vote is like requiring to be enrolled in college to drive a car. Pointless right?
@@fallen4life080 We need ZERO fraud. Period. Voter ID is the key and nothing you can do can stop it.
@@ffffffffffffffffffffffffff6589 That is LITERALLY impossible because no matter what measures you implement people will just adapt and find a new ways around it. It's like saying you want ZERO CRIME. There will never be zero crime unless you mind control everyone. Voting is already very safe, depending on the state or county fraud occurs like .005% of the time that's why states have recounts and measures if the standard error is within half of a percent because it's enough to win or lose an election.
@@fallen4life080 Welp, we still need ID, regardless. By your logic, we should just get rid of ALL laws because someone will break them. No, that is not how it works.
@@ffffffffffffffffffffffffff6589 No, that wasn't my logic. My logic is that you can make it as safe as possible and then have laws that can account for the standard error such as mistakes and fraud (like laws requiring manual recounts). Also voter ID is pointless if they triple check your citizenship. Every state is different but in order to register you need proof of citizenship and they check it before they even register you. They check it again before you get a ballot and then check it again after. Voter ID is redundant. It's like requiring a special type of license in order to get a driver license. What would be the point.
Requiring voter ID just makes sure that the people casting votes are US citizens and not foreigners electing representatives that promise free programs to illegal aliens. It’s not voter suppression to make sure you’re an American citizen voting for your best interests.
It is to a democrat.
Here is an interesting question for you. Where do illegals get all their stolen identities they live under? They have to have one because of all the things you literally can't do without a social security number. However, you kinda need the identity to be from a dead person if you don't want to be found out easily. So, who would have easy access to millions of identities that they could confirm the owners of those identities are dead? I would imagine it would have to be someone in government with access to such information. I mean, we have had government agencies caught doing some shady stuff before, like selling guns to the cartels, so are we really prepared to just not even question if the government, or actors within the government are funneling either fake or stolen identities to illegals? I mean, think about it, with a stolen identity they can vote, and if they can vote that gives incentive to do this to the party most likely to benefit.
@@chrisr3120 why do leftists always need to a wall of text full of unrelated points and hypotheticals to explain why a completely rational thing is actually bad?
That's what registration does.
In my state they stopped 18 year old high school students from registering. Now most of these students were registered in school when they were 5 years old and tracked until they graduate. How much more do you want? Besides the fact that more people who are young will tend to vote democrat which is why in the same red state they tried to pass a law to force college students to go home to vote and not vote on campus. Failure to drive back to their parents district to vote would result in students having to pay out of state tuition and parents couldn't claim them on their taxes. Republican voter suppression.
My mom is a naturalised citizen and she doesn’t mind using ID to vote at all 😂😂
So it's voter suppression to find out if your an American citizen to vote for who runs America?
raymond sutton in Canada you must have photo ID and a known address which they then check off a list and this country is Uber liberal.
I know that you're not asking, in good faith but here is some case law to help anybody else interested in this subject: www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/politics/texas-voter-id-law-discriminate/index.html
amen
MaxMisterC so it would be civilian suppression to ask for an ID to buy guns cigarettes and beer then right
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#FuckYouMaayyyn!!
We need an id to buy beer guns cigarettes even get a job so the irs can take money from you but you don't need one to vote? How doe that work
Not well Raymond especially in California and Texas.
The bigotry of low expectation.
raymond sutton don’t forget you need ID to buy groceries too as per the President 😂✌🏼
You’re Beautiful I'm tired of all you people blaming trump for the choices of past presidents we needed an ID to vote before Obama got in office he got in office and took that away then he started to push for a race war and trump got the blame for that too I'm glad that we in America can form our own opinions and not be labeled racist or a biggot oh wait I'm a republican u don't have that right
raymond sutton I simply stated that our president thinks you need photo Id to buy groceries....per his own words...... it’s called a joke.
Because that’s how I see him. He’s a joke.....
You want to vote?
You provide Identification! Period!
I know a few people who don't have ID definitely Americans, they should be forced into voting, rounded up by the cops and dragged to the polls
We have so much freedom in the USA. I am surprised when I hear otherwise!
As long as I have been alive....A so called ID was and has never been an issue. So you honey are wrong, you just got CONNED by a CON ARTIST 😅
I know that you're not debating, in good faith but here is some case law to help anybody else interested in this subject: www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/politics/texas-voter-id-law-discriminate/index.html
We need Identification and documentation for almost every transaction in the United States. I don't understand why you can't do the same to vote. It's the laziest excuse I have ever heard.
Stop with all this voter suppression follow the rules whatever they are id or whatever you only vote once every two yrs no reason you cant be ready
The only response when someone asks “should voters show id?” is YES.
🗳According to the new poll, which was published Wednesday, an overwhelming majority of voters-74 percent-support voter ID requirements. Importantly, minority voters, the ones Democrats claim are most affected by the laws, are strongly supportive.
I had to laugh when they required my ID to get my vaccine today. The nerve.
This did not age well...Abrams just denied she ever opposed voter ID laws.
No she didn't. She has always, and still does, oppose voter ID laws with strict requirements that exclude millions of U.S. citizens that do not have the stringent documentation necessary to obtain the proper photo ID or requires some Americans to jump through extra unnecessary hoops that other Americans do not have to. She has never opposed "voter ID laws" in general though. This video interview is about specific laws with specific onerous requirements. Stop making things up. Or, at least provide receipts - actual quotes - when you want to infer someone is a liar.
@@ZachariahWiedeman Re-read your own garbage and tell us specifically *WHO* is having to jump through anymore hoops than anyone else. By virtue of the name, "Voter ID" implies a measure of authentication of one's identity. You saying "She has never opposed 'voter ID laws' in general" *AND* "She has always, and still does, oppose voter ID laws with strict requirements" is *doublespeak* .
The *REAL ID ACT* set minimum document requirements to receive an ID or Driver's license...of which, 45 states are compliant. For the indigent, states actually make these documents easy and cheap, if not free, to obtain.
The most basic rule of an election is *CITIZENSHIP* , which must be proven to be eligible to vote. This is not new.
Do some people fall through the cracks, absolutely. By gaslighting this issue, you and Stacey Abrams have half of America believing these people actually want and are eligible to vote.
If there are million of US citizens that cannot get an ID and want to vote...bring them forth, help them get IDs.
What kind of Voter ID would make you and Stacey Abrams happy if you do not oppose Voter ID?
@@scottbutler2343 Not doublespeak at all. One can totally support the notion that someone must identify themselves at the polls in order to vote while still opposing laws that severely limit acceptable identification to forms of ID that are difficult to obtain.
Let's be perfectly clear: The citizenship hurdle is cleared at registration. To register to vote, one needs a SSN. A non citizen cannot register to vote. No one has ever needed a photo ID to register to vote, because registration is simply the act of matching your a known SSN on file with the government to a particular address. Could this system stand to be improved? Sure. Is it working adequately as is? Yes. Do you have evidence to the contrary? I'm all ears.
Once the registration hurdle is cleared, the only hurdle that a voter should need to clear is that when they vote they need to be able to identify themselves as a specific person - a citizen - who is already registered to vote. I support this. Stacey Abrams supports this. Where you and I may diverge, I think, is what is an acceptable means of identification. In the absence of a photo ID, a sworn affidavit, signature verification, and biographical information (such as address and/or birthdate) should be sufficient. In fact, this is the standard in 43 of the 50 states.
So, what is your concern here? Are you worried that someone is going to show up at the polls and impersonate a registered voter? Let's see what that would entail: That person would have to have advanced knowledge of where someone is registered to vote, basic biographical information about them, and be able to forge their signature - AND know for a fact that person is not going to actually show up to vote (it is very easy to identify if someone has showed up to vote twice and make both ballots provisional, throwing the incorrect one, or both out). That is a LOT of work - and not easy to pull off. The risk of getting caught is extremely high - just look through the Heritage Foundation's database to see how laughably easy it has been to catch people attempting voter fraud. The penalty for getting caught is also extremely high - thousands in fines, jailtime, and permanently expulsion from the U.S. for non-citizens.
The great difficulty necessary to correctly impersonate someone, including forging their signature, and not get caught reduces the number of people who *could* pull off such a feat to something approaching zero. Furthermore, "independent" voter fraud is pointless: The chances of one vote making a difference is statistically zero. For such a scheme to actually work would require a coordinated effort affecting thousands upon thousands of votes (across state lines in the case of Presidential elections). This so greatly increases the chances of getting caught that it becomes practically inevitable. It is basically impossible to pull off such a feat without getting caught. Again, refer to the Heritage Foundation's database of voter fraud cases to see exactly how this is the case. In fact, because of this, the largest attempts at coordinated mass voter fraud have only involved a few hundred votes, were for local elections, and the culprits were *easily* caught.
All this leaves you with are the handful of independent actors who are too stupid to do a simple risk/reward analysis and see that it is completely nonsensical to commit voter fraud as an independent actor. The risk of getting caught is high, the penalty for getting caught is high, and the potential reward for success is practically zero. Again, I refer you to the Heritage Foundation's database to see just how stupid some of these people actually are. Might a few of these dummies slip through the cracks here and there? Sure. Can those cracks be sealed with better registration database, ballot handling, and signature verification procedures? Absolutely, 100%. Or here's a thought: Do what many other countries, including Mexico do: Provide people with a free photo ID when they register to vote. Problem solved. Easy.
Now, in your mind, I'm sure there still exist some hypothetical mastermind criminal who is super clever and willing to stop at nothing to *successfully* impersonate someone at the polls without getting caught. I would argue that such a person does not exist, but for the sake of argument, lets say that there are a few of these well resourced evil geniuses out there who can identify every person they know is not going to show up to vote, memorize their address and birthday, and forge their signature. Gosh, that seems like a LOT of work. Wouldn't it just be easier to make a fake ID? Do you think these "criminal masterminds" don't have access to fake IDs? Teenagers who want to drink underage sure do. If a teenager can get their hands on a legit looking fake photo ID, do you not think that a well motivated fraudster cannot as well? And wouldn't they just do that instead of going to all the additional trouble of gathering the necessary information to sign a bunch of fraudulent sworn affidavits?
When you actually think through this whole thing, it is easy to see why in person voter fraud is incredibly rare. This literally only happens a handful of times per election - certainly not enough to make a difference in the election outcome. That is why onerous photo ID requirements are labeled "A solution in search of a problem."
When you consider that voter fraud is so incredibly rare - and so easy to prevent through bureaucratic means - imposing strict photo ID laws (such as the ones in Wisconsin, Kansas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Indiana, Tennessee, and Georgia) doesn't stand to eliminate much fraudulent voting at all. In balance, it places a high burden of obtaining photo identification upon tens of millions of citizens - working class, minority citizens - many of whom are simply unable to obtain the necessary documents to fulfill that requirement. Let's say that the best estimates of people without proper ID documents is less than 10% of what numerous experts and studies have shown it to be. That is still well over a million U.S. citizens who will be disenfranchised from voting.
So, I ask you what is worse? Disenfranchising millions of U.S. citizens from voting, or a few isolated cases of voter fraud that cannot possibly effect the outcome of an election slipping through the cracks? Clearly, disenfranchising millions of citizens from being able to vote is morally objectionable. One would need an EXTREMELY good reason to justify such a measure. In person voter fraud, for where there is zero evidence that it is even happening and mainly exists in the fantasies of people's wild (and uninformed) imaginations is not a good enough reason to justify disenfranchising millions of U.S. citizens from voting.
Furthermore, disenfranchising millions of poor, minority citizens from voting is WAY more likely to affect the outcome of an election than allowing the current "wild wild west" of possible voter fraud that only results in a handful of isolated cases per year go unchecked. AND REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS. GOP politicians have been caught on tape - multiple times - admitting as much - that they don't actually believe that voter fraud is a problem and they know that strict photo ID requirements will keep far more people who demographically are likely to vote Democrat than those who might vote Republican away from the polls. That is why currently the only states to have such laws are potential swing states and ones with large black of Native American populations (often both).
The politicians and talking heads on FOX News all know this is a big sham: There is not a voter fraud problem, and strict photo ID laws are simply going to disenfranchise more Democratic citizens than Republican citizens, therefore swinging elections in the GOP's favor. They are selling you a bunch of bull when they say otherwise. And if you believe that bull: You are a great big sucker.
Get educated. Use your critical thinking skills. Stop letting politicians and blowhards on TV tell you how to think. Don't be a sucker.
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@@ZachariahWiedeman Hogwash. Everything you're saying is predicated on the assumption that it is in fact monumentally difficult for some to obtain a photo ID. That simply is not true. Especially in GA where they help people get their state ID for free and instruct them on how to get the documentation required. There is no nefarious objective. Your argument has no foundation, other than what you "feel" should be.
Registering to vote with just a SS# is an exception, not a rule. All states require current ID or some other form of verifiable documentation. In the absence of these, handful of states allow either the SS# or last 4 digits that match the person's name and address(residency). Even in states that allow a provisional ballot to be cast, there is still a verification process that must be completed prior to their vote being counted. I guarantee if CA ever flipped red, Democrats would immediately institute more stringent voter ID laws.
Leaving out facts to support your belief is tantamount to lying. If there were no fraud, the word "fraud" would not exist...but we live in a world where fraud is committed at every level of existence. To believe it doesn't exist in our voting system is incredibly naive or ridiculously nefarious.
@@scottbutler2343 Serious question: Do you even read - anything? Do you do research and gather facts before diving headfirst into an argument, or do you solely rely on crap you pulled directly out of your butt that smells good enough to you to be a fact, so you call it such?
Because you're starting to sound like someone who has never read anything in his life at this point.
(1) For MANY Americans, especially Native Americans, blacks born in the south in the mid 20th century, and people born in rural communities, they cannot obtain a proper photo ID because they cannot obtain a birth certificate. That first step alone is *monumentally* difficult for millions of Americans. Many people have been adopted or raised by relatives and don't even know what state they were born in! My own middle-class, white, grandmother never had a birth certificate until she tried to obtain a passport for the first time in her life in her 60's and it took her TWO YEARS of bureaucratic headaches before she could finally obtain one. And not just the time, but the money involved is often hundreds of dollars spent trying to track down a birth certificate - that's time and money that many of the working poor - and even middle-class - simply don't have.
www.inquirer.com/philly/news/20140327_For_many_Americans__obtaining_a_birth_certificate_proves_challenging.html#uwK0lz8kfrCapqX6.99
I mean, congratulations: You're obviously white, middle class, and were born in a hospital. Obviously, for YOU having the necessary documentation to obtain a photo ID was quite easy. But, I hate to be the one to break it to you, you might want to sit down for this: Not everyone has the same easy life you have. Shocker, I know.
(2) You have completely (and, I believe quite intentionally) misunderstood and misstated my premise. It is not simply about it being "monumentally difficult" to obtain a photo ID - although for millions of Americans, that describes exactly the situation. The point is that it is that any degree of difficulty - any extra hoops to jump through - functions as a form of voter suppression. Period. Any behavioral economist could tell you that. Putting an unchecked box on a form to opt-in for organ donation doesn't seem like a huge hoop to jump through, but it measurably reduces the number of people who donate who otherwise would when asked verbally, or given an opt-out rather than opt-in function. Every extra thing you ask a citizen to do creates attrition and discourages or prevents people from voting. That is just a fact. It doesn't need to be "monumentally difficult" to have an effect. It just needs to be any measurable degree of difficult.
So, the question must ALWAYS be: when creating any additional barrier to voting, when creating any additional hoop to jump through, is there a justifiable reason to do so?
In the case of these photo ID laws, setting aside the degree of difficulty to obtain such an ID, my MAIN point is that there is not even a justifiable reason to have them in the first place. THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE. They are not preventing mass in-person voter fraud, because pass in-person voter fraud DOES NOT EXIST. These photo ID laws SERVE NO PURPOSE because a valid registration and sworn affidavit and signature matching IS PERFECTLY SUFFICIENT TO SHOW IDENTIFICATION.
(3) Everything YOU are saying is predicated on the assumption that mass in-person voter fraud exists and that photo ID's will prevent it from happening. This is a false assumption: There is no evidence for it, and it does not make logical sense.
In order to justify adding additional requirements to vote, the burden is upon YOU who are arguing in favor of these additional requirements to justify them. The burden does not lie with me - it is squarely in YOUR lap. You have failed to provide one logical fact-based argument that justifies additional requirements for identification beyond voter registration and a signed sworn affidavit.
You state that fraud exists. I don't disagree with you. So, please stop calling me a "liar" or "naïve" or "nefarious" you hyperbolic, nitwit. Okay great, fraud exists. So what? How MUCH fraud exists? Does enough fraud exist to affect the outcome of an election? Does enough fraud exist to justify making it harder - and in many cases impossible - for millions of people to vote? My argument is simply that it does not.
Theft also exists. Does every convenience store lock every item behind glass cases? Armed robbery exists. Does every store with a cash register keep their tellers locked behind bulletproof glass? Home invasion exists. Is your home secured like Fort Knox with cameras, alarms, sensors, bars on the windows, bulletproof glass, multiple deadbolts, and an arsenal of weaponry to protect yourself?
The answer to all of these questions is, "Of course not." Appropriate measures are taken based on the risks involved. Some measures are too costly to justify the amount of risk mitigated. We are debating the degree of risk and the cost of measures involved to mitigate them.
This argument that "fraud exists" therefore that justifies whatever extra hoops you want to create to try and prevent it is ridiculous. If I were a hyperbolic nitwit, I would even go as far as to say it is naïve or nefarious to make such a simplistic argument. The argument is not about whether or not fraud exists. It is about to what degree fraud exists, what kind of measures can be done to prevent it, and whether or not the number of citizens who will be prevented from voting justifies the AMOUNT of fraud that stands to be eliminated.
Here is why I think you are a simpleton. You cannot seem to wrap your head around the concept of "degrees of risk." You don't have the first clue how pervasive or likely voter fraud is, and you don't really seem to care: You are content with the simpleminded notion that it merely exists. You don't have the first clue what the cost of burden of your proposed fraud prevention measures are - nor whether or not they would even be effective, and you don't really seem to care: You are content with the simpleminded notion that a photo ID = some fraud prevented, and your thinking doesn't go much deeper than that.
I feel sorry for you, really, I do. Or maybe you're the lucky one. I mean, to be so simpleminded. Life might be difficult, but you're too simple to even realize how difficult it is. Fascinating. I honestly can't imagine what it is like to be such a drooling simpleton.
(4) "Registering to vote with just a SS# is an exception, not a rule. All states require current ID or some other form of verifiable documentation."
Now it is my turn to say "Hogwash." Are you seriously this ignorant? Where are you getting your information? Are you pulling all of this directly out of your Anatomical Nonsensical Uninformed Source? You can register to vote in almost every state with just a social security card, sometimes that is not even requested. Some states require more documentation to prove citizenship, but even these have a wide array of options that accommodate people without a diver's license or state ID card.
Alabama: Mail-in registration only requires last 4 of SSN. You can register without an ID or SSN.
www.sos.alabama.gov/sites/default/files/voter-pdfs/nvra-2.pdf
Alaska: Mail-in registration only requires last 4 of SSN. Social security card is sufficient ID, or you can indicate you do not have any ID and still register.
www.elections.alaska.gov/doc/forms/C03-Fill-In.pdf
Arizona: Can register to vote in federal elections only without proof of citizenship. Proof of citizenship required to vote in state and local elections and can be established with five forms of ID - only two of which are photo ID (DL, and Passport).
www.recorder.pima.gov/Docs/Voter%20Registration%20Requirements%20re%20LULAC%20and%20Prop%20200.pdf
You know what? This is pointless. I'm not going to spoon feed you like a little baby every single state's list of requirements to register to vote. You are a big boy. You can go find out for yourself. Do some actual research for once in your life.
Seriously, dude, come back to me when you have some actual accurate knowledge about ANYTHING. Clearly, you're attempting to punch way above your weight.
I'm 53 and had to show my id to get a pack of cigarettes yesterday, so yea i believe in voters ID. Im American and proud to prove it
@@MaxMisterC Spoken like a true democrat
@@MrHavingfun68 #FuckYouMaaayyn!!
Buying cigarettes, guns, beer, or recreational drugs is a COMPLETELY different thing than voting. Voting is every citizens rights and every voice should be heard. You don't need an ID to buy groceries, go to the park, etc. No ID should be needed for something so simple especially when there's other forms of ID that every citizen has from the time of birth like social security and birth certificates
@@fallen4life080 You’re right. When you buy cigarettes, beer or recreational drugs, the only harm you are doing is to yourself and possibly those in your immediate surrounding. Voting impacts the whole nation, so wouldn’t you think allowing children and illegal immigrants the ability to vote is much more detrimental?
@@Slippy-Toad-Love Why are we talking about illegal immigrants? They don't have the right to vote until they become citizens.
Requiring an ID to vote is not voter suppression.
there’s not many things you can do without ID, so not sure how these ID-less people are functioning tbh
I used to think I was racist until I got older and understand that the people calling me racist, is the actual racist.
And that right there might be an issue. You can be "racist" inadvertently, it doesn't make you a bad person if you occasionally make some ignorant comments or make assumptions that offend. It just means we need to check our biases. I used to be called racist and didn't think I was. As I got older, like you i came to the conclusion that THEY were racist for making everything about race, then I got even older (30 now) and I realized they weren't saying I was a bad guy, just that my words weren't as innocent as I thought they were.
@@fallen4life080 you ever think the government wants us to think everyone is a racist and they are your enemy so we continue to fight amongst ourselves. I'm not denying racism but they have weaponized it really the main fight should be the highest economic class hoarding all of the wealth at the same time we still all individually pay more taxes than one billionaire wake up yes racisms happened its degusting but now its a crowd controlling tool
@@Aps1218 "you ever think the government wants us to think everyone is a racist and they are your enemy so we continue to fight among ourselves"
Maybe when i was 18-22, seems a tiny bit paranoid now to me. MAYBE a few libs might do that, but in order to win votes they have to give people what they want, keeping people fighting doesn't win you votes. What I think it is, is that Democrats and liberals just want people to realize that we are human, we have flaws, we have assumptions and biases, that all can be a little racist but easily fixable. But that doesn't necessarily make everybody a terrible human being or a bigot. Certainly doing something racist because you're human doesn't make you a bad person. But Republicans on the other hand, love to straw man that argument, they like to make people think that liberals are trying to divide us by making everything racist.
"They have weaponized it really the main fight should be the highest economic class hoarding of all the wealth"
I 80% agree with the first part of this statement and 100% agree with the latter! I do think they have weaponized it, they definitely are seeking votes because race is such a popular thing right now, but, if it means we get to fix those biases and racist assumptions, then that's kind of the point of weaponizing it. I mean, was "slavery" weaponized during the civil war as a means to advance the nation? Could we argue that Lincoln and the Union used slavery as a tactic to gain support? Of course! But in the end it worked out. And lastly, i 100% think the rich should be taxed more, they're still going to benefit from much if what their taxes pay for anyway, it just means there will be more for everyone else. It's not like the Rich paying higher taxes means they won't get Access to tax services like public parks, healthcare, etc.
Needing an ID to do the following ISN'T racist:
-Buy/register/insure/drive a car
-Open a bank account
-Board an airplane
-Apply for food stamps
-Apply for a job
-File for unemployment
-Have prescriptions filled
-Purchase alcohol/tobacco
-Apply for university
-Get a refund at a lot of stores
-Have utilities
-Adopt a child
-Get a mortgage
-Go to a doctor
-Donate blood
-Pick up a package at the post office
-Purchase a firearm
-Obtain social security benefits
-Obtain medicare/medicaid
-Open a credit card
-Get a library card
-Rent an apartment
-Get a CHINA-19 "vaccine"
-Go to jail
-Rent tools/furniture
-Get married
-Cash a check
-Go to court
-Enter a federal building
-Cash a lottery ticket
-Apply for welfare
-Adopt a pet
-Join a gym
-Visit a casino
-Apply for a hunting/fishing license
Needing an ID to do the following apparently IS racist:
-Vote
Hmm...
Democrats are shameless. She’s Basically saying we want to make it easier to steal elections. Our ideas are not attracting voters, so let’s just cheat more.
I stopped reading the second you said “CHINA-19 virus.”
@@popkick8350 Glad you made it through 90% of the list then. What's the matter, are you in denial of all the evidence that it was a bioweapon leaked from the Wuhan Lab? It's nothing against Chinese people, but all against the CCP. I am Chinese, FYI.
All her supporters have to have an ID to buy beer to get drunk enough to vote for her so I would not assume they dont have an id
hahaha
This might be the most delusional politician ever.
Who cares what you think.
America is a democracy
Das Verdanya Asshole!
@@MaxMisterC America is a republic dumbass.
I want to see her debate Pence
in a VP debate. tell me she wouldn't beat his ass in a debate.
Her or Kamala harris.
Could they produce one single individual voter who can testify to their inability to cast a legal vote?
Democrats: “voter fraud doesn’t exist”
Abrams: “it’s voter fraud!”
She literally says “shes been privileged”. And goes on to list all of her successes. So oppressed.
Absolutely ID should be required. There are years between elections. You can't tell me it is a hardship for anyone.
To Drive I have to have a driver's license. To buy alcoholic beverages and tobacco I have to have and ID. To buy a rifle, shotgun or pistol I have to have an ID.
Yet for something as important as voting I'm not required to show one.. ridiculous!
she cant control what she shovels in her face but she wants us to believe she wouldn't do the same with power... no thanks
policy of truth
That’s cold!
Demorats - "Voter ID is racist!"
Also Demorats - "Vaccine cards please!
"Gun registration cards please!"
ID is free to get. Your citizenship is a form of ID. If you are born in America or one of its territories, you get that for free.
Stacey, did you eat the whole thing?
I call BS! Mexico has had voter ID for years and it works great!
Does this mean no id, no vaccine, no job, no welfare, no renting or buying a home to live in, no going into a police station or courthouse, no buying cigarettes, alcohol? What do people with no id do all day? And how will they ever get a job or a vaccine? That should be the bigger concern is jobs. If you really believe they can’t get an ID card then I’d say you really don’t care about them if your not willing to help them get one to have life’s basic necessities here in America.
They often work at a place that pays them under the table.
No idea about the rest.
Fine. As a Libertarian, I don't believe in drivers' licenses either; they hinder my right to travel. Let's do away with those too.
Who can really trust a person from Georgia with no hint of a southern accent and a lawyer to boot ?
She’s a nwo bitch. Gets invited to bilderberg convention
Trump is beatable? Yeah ok.
if you run Biden, yeah he's beatable. Biden can get the racist Democrat vote.
Anybody that doesnt want to show legal ID to vote apparently has something to hide!!! 😒🤢🤢
Idealism is for teenagers and rich people. Practicality is for the rest.
Why is ID laws such a discussion in the US? Here in Sweden and most other countries around the world, you have to show ID as proof of who you are and we definitely don't call it voter suppression. I can't really see the issue of having to prove who you are and your age when voting. Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws
The "left" side thinks it's racist and disenfranchises people.
If you dont have the right documents and money, getting an Id can be difficult. The arguement as I understand it and support, is that if id is required to exercise a right then that Id should be free.
@@tylersims1570 In Georgia and many other states where voterID is required the state provide a free one
I'm loving the lesbian nerd vibes. "That's rigging the game". I was hoping when she'd do the whole "I don't feel no ways tired" AAVE ridiculousness.
Abrams eating 2 buckets of chicken, a package of dinner rolls, a quart of red beans and rice, a quart of cole slaw, 2 chocolate shakes and a bucket of potato wedges at one sitting is stealing from people that actually need food.
No excuse. Free IDs is not suppression. There is only one reason to be against voter IDs and that is to deligitimize the system.
Run again lose again
This world is not a game.... people who live life like it is have not faced enough reality ...
This is like saying Black People don't have equal rights to drive a car if they have to get a license to drive one.
Rigging the game is allowing people to vote when they shouldnt be voting.
This lady thinks she's going to see poverty come to an end😆
You're going to need to get humanity to quit breeding
I don't get how any of this is racist or any of that nonsense. You NEED an ID for so many things. Voting should be one of them. Stuff like this is what pushed me from the Democrats. They don't make any damn sense
SHE SAUD IT. The right to vote is afforded to ELIGIBLE voters.
Please for the love of life and liberty give us the definition of ELIGIBLE!!
Yes, voter ID is voter suppression, the idea is to suppress dead people from voting and to suppress convicted felons from voting. We want All other American citizens voting. I think voting should also grant a small yet generous tax credit to encourage ALL citizens to vote.
I'm in Vegas and they requested me to get my ID if I am planning to use my ID If, I want to go into any Goverment building.... I don't get it Lol! How twisted is that... 😶
@@cheryldias4269 Again, I already got my DL, Wts the conference lol! 😶😆
Do you support free IDs?
You sound stupid.
I would have liked for her to win, but she needs to get over the fact that she didn't.
Ag Jr we don't really know that. Remember everything is riged.
She lost because of voter suppression
@William T. popular vote us like 2nd place. Never mattered
William T. And she lost the popular vote in the states which determines electoral points. Dummy. Who cares that 10 million illegals in Cali voted for her.
I am 100% for voter ID.
If your poor and you have any of these things you already have an Id to get to vote.
1) drivers license
2) Medicaid
3) Welfare
4) EBT cards
5) medicare disability
6) Medicare
7) AARP
8) public housing
9) on disability
10) assisted living
11) food stamps
12) utility bills
13) social security
14) cable
15) buy alcohol
16) prescription drugs
17) doctors visit
18) passport
19) buy CBD
20) medical transportation
21) credit card
21) debit card
22) checking or savings ac
23) File police report
24) gun purchase
25) enter any court house
26) get out of jail
27) R rated movies, games
28) file your taxes
29) child credits
30) Hospital admissions
31) nursing home
32) home healthcare
33) car tags registration
34) car insurance
35) air plane tickets
36) bus tickets
37) tobacco
38) warranties
39) register to vote
40) FOS card
for anyone who's a con artist, illegal, felon or just a democrat .
If Mexico has voter id we can’t we have it in the USA
Lol it’s so hard to get an Id it only takes a few hours.
Is she assuming blacks can’t get licenses or I.Ds?
Making voter id expensive is one way, to supress voting. Making an adress mandatory, when people are homeless or changing homes frequently...Goverment provided voting id and automatic voter registrations are something that would solve many problems, but repugs want only the rich be able to vote.
She's not assuming she knows that anyone that really wants to vote has a ID or will find away to get one. With no voter ID laws anyone can vote legal or not. Their hate for Trump clouds their minds. When they say whatever it take to get him out breaking the laws is included.
Brian Daniels
“HURR DUR TRUMP HATE IS BAD!!!,,,!” oh shut it....
You make blanket statements that because trump is in office anyone with views slightly to his left is Stalin...
If the United States wants SO much to be like a Scandinavian country...
Guess what... We have to show an ID when we vote.
A poll of 6000 New York voters showed that 57.3 % of respondents said that they strongly support voter identification requirements for casting ballots in person or by mail.
Support exceeded 50 % in all racial, geographic, and political groups, except among Democrats, where it was 49 % What's that tell ya?
No i.d no liquor!!🤭🤦♂️🤪
I am from the Netherlands and it is normal to show ID when you vote you have to now who is casting the vote and everybody has to have a ID anyway so is not to much to ask to make Sure the elections are fair
010 jordi This has nothing to do with an ID. R Brian Kemp, Was in charge of the very election he partook in and the real criminal activity, He stripped thousands of black people of their right to vote.
@@dulynoted2427 how whould he be able to do that i now the u.s is like Europe in that the states have there own Laws and do a lot them self but this congres whould not accept
America needs to be a democracy. The GOP regime is preventing it from becoming one.
All citizens should be required to have ID in order to vote as well as having registered themselves beforehand. I would submit that a person who is ignorant of the candidates and issues should not cast a ballot. Better that they first make the effort to educate themselves. The best representatives in any elected position are the well educated. The same should apply to the electorate.
Even in third world country they require ID to vote, do not cheat require ID to vote
Voter ID cards should be mandatory!!!!
I know you republicans don't want us minorities to vote.
@@BrandonSeattle Are "you minorities" too dumb to figure out how to get IDs? Yes or no?
Why Patrice O’Neal got a wig on?
I was just going to say that? How did you do that lol?
I once saw a photo of fat old russian lady who looked just like a pale skinned version of president tramp. Poor thing, ugly as fuck
MaxMisterC can’t wait for more voter suppression and you to cryyy in 2020
@@OlderG0ds
BITCH please! It's your ONLY hope!
.....#FuckYouMaaayyn !!
All voter ID law is saying us “show us evidence that you are who say you are.”
Pull that race card. Lol
"Race card" is Trumptard-speak for "racism".
Ha ha. @SSA. A legitimate dumbass racist calling us racist. Lol. Thats funny
She speaks so well!! 😡 stop suppressing voters!
There is no voter suppression, unless it's the suppression of legitimate voting citizens, after the voting is finished, to actually be represented by their vote. Stacy Abrams is part of the same group that Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, who want a Muslim Caliphate and Sharia Law instead of our Constitution.
Hang on, how do you prove that you are a citizen with out an ID? I totally understand voting is a right but anyone can just walk in and vote for someone else.
Without voter ID any tourist visiting from any country (Russia, China, Australia, any country) could vote in America.
Give me a break!!
I just lost 7:13 of my life....thanks...
Her sister is a GA judge who wouldn't recuse herself from election cases. Enough said.
Focus on getting people id. How do you live without id. How do people vote without any id? Isn't that also a route for fraud?
Who doesn't have an id in 2019
Mind of a Crazy Misfit
illegals
Quite a few poor people .
Who needs them? And make it easy to obtain them.
@@billeddy4357 Of course anyone without ID is poor….ID is fundamental requirement to function in society.. Costs more $$ to NOT get ID than trivial amount to become responsible member of society.
I admit it is kind of sexist. When she talks, I can’t help staring at her teeth...
she just got to lose that weight.
If Abrams believes Black people don’t know how to get ID, why doesn’t she help them so they can enjoy normal life like everyone else. This isn’t voter suppression. You can’t even open a bank account or cash a check without ID. This is human suppression. State ID in Georgia is Free at the DMV. What is wrong with her?
Only verified Americans should be able to vote. Nothing wrong with that
how does voter is hurt anyone. anyone can get an id
That is not as true as you seem to believe . In Alabama , the state closed a lot of DMV offices in poor areas , where the residents were primarily black . Even the $30--$40 it takes is a burden to many .
@@billeddy4357 _With at least 12 million illegal immigrants in the country you can't say no voter ID. If anyone in the country needs an ID they have 15 months before the election. If you want election security voter ID has to be part of it.
No. People are being blocked from having IDs due to unjust reasons.
@@briandaniels8880 That is the most tyrannical ID law proposal I've heard. End oppression of voters!
Brian Daniels - I know , and you should know , that research shows that very few people who are ineligible actually vote . Just because Kris Kobach and Donald Trump say there is a problem , doesn`t make that so . In the past , we have any number of kooks say that they would provide PROOF of voting by those who are ineligible , but the proof never shows up . The concern about the illegals voting is a phony concern. It comes from white people seeing "brown" people in voting lines and assuming that they are illegals . When 13 % of the electorate is Hispanic , you are going to see "brown" people in voting lines . When 12 % of the electorate consists of non Hispanic " blacks" you are going to see "black" people in voting lines . ( Illegals tend to keep a low profile . They don`t generally do stuff to bring attention to themselves . They won`t report crimes against themselves . Yet , you actually believe that they go to voting booths , and cast a ballot , even though that can bring attention and a prison sentence on themselves . )
If she had won. It would have because of Russian help. ;) yep sure would have
Need an idea to buy beer, get apartment, buy cigarettes, travel in a plane, join the military to name a few
Anyone notice how food and gas have gone up ? Beef has doubled since Joe came in ! Gas will be $5-$7 a gallon next summer . I want the orange man back
Gas and beef rose in many ways from ransomware attacks not Joe. It caused shortages for oil and a very small supply of beef. Correlation does not equal causation.
How is voter ID voter suppression? Is showing ID at your bank banking suppression or common sense?
Also why does ABC have periods between the letters in ID, short for idenification, as if it is two words? Must be a millenial writing the title.
Kick the lying cheating corrupt Republicans out.
@Virginia B. Britton
“Do not interfere with the wounded ThemRats 🐀🐀, who are in the process of destroying themselves.
These ThemRats people are stupid.
ThemRats 🐀🐀 will never win a crap 💩 again”
😔😔😔😔
Dems are the ones who act like voters are too stupid to have a driver's license or other form of ID.
Why do you need ID to get a vaccination?????
lmaooo they really asked her if she’s decided not to run for president….WHO IS THIS LADY?!?! 🤣🤣
I love this lady her mission is extremely important for our future! I would work with her to push through!
She has no mission or relevance.
This lady is a goof. Raise your standards, pinky.
Stacy Abrams in 2020~!
This woman rocks~!
This woman is a fraud.
Stoney Curtis
@Janet Masiello .. Nazis, pedophiles, and Sex Offenders agree with you. trump is your cult leader~!
This woman SMOKES rocks.
Where is voter ID not required in the world ? Iran ?
How do you have a job without an ID?.....
Stacey is inspiring to me :)
She inspires you to eat????
ChArLiE BeAtZ
Da’ fuck are you on about?
Stacy Abrams graduated from Yale Law School . Tell us where you were educated .
@@billeddy4357 If she told you that I wouldnt believe it!!! She lies too much!!
She is a WINNER!!!
Sure she is
She is a whiny looser
She already lost her first big one
Thank You .
My entire indian lofe is a lie then if voter id suppresses people
You need ID to send money through Western Union to different countries 😟
And shocker GA had record turn out in the primaries this year
There is something wrong with this lady
Don’t tell Stacey this but you need ID’s to buy and consume alcohol. You need ID to buy and consume Tobacco. You need ID to purchase/watch an R rated film in both theaters and in demand. Practically you need an ID to buy and consume a lot of things. In fact you need an ID to drive a vehicle since your driver’s license is considered a valid form of ID. Where’s the outrage from people like Stacey Abraham’s when it comes to the items where you clearly need ID to buy and consume certain items. The same ID you would use to buy those items is the same ID you would need to vote. Now her counter might be that those items are not a right granted by the constitution and voting is. My response…. So is owning a gun.
I bet she's hungry there..
next time i buy Sudifed at the pharmacy and they ask for my ID, i'm going to scream RACISTS!!!....LIFE IS RIGGED!!!