So long as you guys continue to review a product by openly discussing shortcomings (whether you find them or you’ve taken note of negative forum comments) and show ways to overcome them, I’ll keep coming back for more. Example - FMS Pitt’s V2 battery retaining mod and the alternative prop option (with performance data). Congratulations on your new trade relationship, just keep the format and keep up the great work.
Great topic. Great page. I would like to add advocate channels that promote the people and locations of this wonderful hobby. Keep the awesome content coming.
Hello "Model AV8R"! This is amazing! Thank you for the wonderful video! I saw it with great interest! Great! Thanks for the inspiration! Have a nice day!
From an official review author for Ezone/RCGroups for 22 years ... great video that touches on many points I have also dealt with, and conversations with those that seek "honesty" in reviews with less hype.
Thanks for doing what you do Adam and Heidi. I think it is great that a couple of the manufacturers have reached out to you to review their products. I think they reach out because they like the way you present products and people respect your opinion, After watching you for about a year, I don't think you would sign up with anyone who wanted to tell you what to do or think. Congratulations
Hi Adam, great stuff about reviewers and influencers. From 1985 until about 2009 when magazine reviews were the main place to see new products, I reviewed many new model items; models, motors/esc's, chargers, etc for Model Aviation, Silent Flyer, Flying Models, Model Airplane News and Fly RC. Even then we got comments about how we were getting stuff for free (and getting paid by the magazine ,slave wages, but still paid) so how could the review not be biased? I would remind the modeling public that back then, page space in a magazine was precious (and expensive) and it was more telling when a model DID NOT get reviewed than when it was. Occasionally I was sent a product that I could not say anything nice about, or found way more negatives than positives. I alerted the magazine and that item simply NEVER got reviewed. They did not send the item off to some other reviewer..... it just never showed up in the pages of any magazine. Content space is no longer a problem with RUclips. However, I am sure, if you have not already, you will run into a product that just is not worth your time. Keep up the great work, Tom
Thanks Tom. Appreciate that. Yes, there is so much behind the scenes viewers/readers don't really know. The amount of work that goes into anything like this that is well done...they can't imagine. When you consider the time devoted to this...the products are not free at all. We earn them three fold. You're right, I'm sure it will happen at some point, but so far so good. The planes are so good now a days an experienced, fairly skilled modeler should be good to go in most cases. I see a lot of complaints about planes that to be honest, are just modeling to me. People are so lazy now. I saw a guy complaining on RCG about having to mechanically center a control surface. Really? Lol.
Great job Adam. I think we all appreciate your honesty and look forward to many more reviews. This is a fantastic hobby and YOU are one of the reasons that statement can be made. Thank you and happy flights!👍
From a guy who remembers when the only information you could get was from MAN, RCM, Flying Models, the library and others, I absolutely love RUclips for product info as well as setup info. If you have any experience in R/C, you can tell the honest reviews from the sales pitch. Personally, I think these channels saved the model industry from the depths of bankruptcy because of the interest the internet has generated. I know making these videos isn't an easy task and requires lots of time. If there is a link that compensates the channel, I use it if I choose to buy the product. Even the young teens that make a video about something they are flying have information that I was seeking.
Other than you left out RC Groups (my own personal fountain of info) You nailed it. Great insight re: Saviour of the RC Industry... You might have a great insight there. Great Post.
One of my favorite (not reviewers) is the Petrincic Bros RC. They remind me how fun this hobby is. Of course they love every plane they fly. Their videos remind me of a day at the field with my buddies.
I know Model AV8R is gonna go DEEP and give a well informed review of a plane's capabilities, and the assembly. I loved the Gloster Gladiator review for instance. I think that was the Bar that all reviewers should attempt to match.
Well what a great video Adam, I feel what you said was honest and to the point, anyone with a RUclips channel has to stick their head up above the trench and get shot at, that's just the nature of the Beast. I like the way you make suggestions on how to improve the model if you find it lacking in any way, that for me is what sets channels like yours apart, cheers 👍
Adam congratulations on you're new endeavor. 👏. I have been watching you for quite some time and I subscribe to ALOT of the other influencer/reviewers whatever folks want to call them. I understand what people think and yes when you made the announcement earlier of making this video I wondered if the channel was going to be objective. I've considered my self a pretty good judge of character and the reason I come back and watch you're videos is because I can see the love and passion you have for the hobby in that I can feel it's genuine. I/we don't know the agreement/arrangement that you have with HH but I am going to suspect that you are NOT going to change to much cause of you're character in that I would go further out on a limb and say that if it did change you or you're channel to much that you would end you're relationship. I for one will keep watching and subscribed to you're channel and again congratulations Adam. Keep at it.
John thank you so much! We appreciate your willingness to be objective of us and actually consider our character. Unfortunately not everyone does. We won't let you down. Thanks for all your support!
Congratulations on dealing with this issue. I respect and enjoy watching your content. Do continue to disclose how you get an aircraft, because, while I hear all your saying, I am one of those who gets suspicious when I do not know how a reviewer got his sample.
Thanks very much for the kind words! When you see the nice black cover on the bench, that is the tell that the plane/product is from a manufacturer. We pointed that out in this video too. However, there will really not be a difference in how we approach and do a review regardless. They will all be judged based on the same criteria. I think part of the issue is that so many don't watch...they just judge. These reviews are long for a reason. That is the only way we can cover all the information as thoroughly as we deem necessary to do a good review. As we said in the video, we are very tactical in what we say, and how we say it. Every word is necessary to provide context, and the flying shown...the performance...always matches what is being said good or bad. In the analytics, we can see the average percentage viewed of each video. We know we have people that watch from beginning to end, but most don't. They are missing out on great information, tips, impressions, etc, but mostly...context. When you couple that fact with the fact that so many start the video with a preconceived notion it's all BS anyway because it was "free," the reviewer is at a great and unfair disadvantage before the viewer even hits play. One of the key reasons we did this was to hopefully get people to go into our reviews (anybody's reviews really) with an open mind, watch the whole thing so they have context, see if the words and the performance shown match, and THEN decide what you think of the review. Hopefully more people are like you and will do just that.
Great to see you in this new relationship. You are one of my favorite go-tos for great reviews! Very good discussion about "the Influencer." I really like Model Av8r because I can trust you to be honest and objective.
Adam (and Heidi) Great Job team... Much to digest here... Still not sure exactly where I fit in the whole continuum of Hobbyist and YT Creators... But I really liked this presentation. More via private channels later. Edit: Lookin forward to you flyin planes next week.... LOL
Recently found your channel and you seem like a good and trustworthy person. I think it's great when someone who's putting out good videos gets a relationship that makes it easier and lets them do more. "Influencer" though I feel like refers to people who are making that persona or their social media presence the primary focus and product, a brand. This trend is why such vague and empty words like "content" and "creator" get so much play, because that content itself isn't really the driving force. The people who make RUclips their job for instance, that raises alarm bells to me. There's one channel I'm thinking of in particular and I don't think they mean to be deceptive or truly steer people wrong, but the priorities and perspective are just a little off. It does make it hard to tell though when it's such a good company like Horizon. They have their issues, but I've gotten such good customer service from them that I'm probably captured too :)
Thanks very much! As for the other channel - That's the thing man. They may be infomercials, but...read their comment section. People adore them. They sell a ton of stuff for HH. They keep getting huge sub's, views, sales, and positive comments. Clearly they aren't burning anyone with the recommendations or all that would slow. HH does make great stuff. That has a ton to do with it. I say good for them. If what they are doing works for them...good on them. We're going to focus on what we do.
adam best of luck to you and your channel. all i wanna say is that , yes there are many different influencers or reviewers out there. to me its like watching a simple commercial on tv. i am a firm believer that there are planes for all types and every plane is designed to fly well, no matter the company. where i think you get into trouble is when you ask a plane to do what it wasnt designed to do and therefore people have a negative view on that plane. people are going to buy what they like personally . lets say a younger pilot buys a certain plane and it doesnt fly or do what he expected. he then gets discouraged and quits the hobby. when i buy a plane, the more videos and influencers , call it what you may, i see only help me make a better decision so keep it up adam and fly high. these videos are not easy and take alot of time and are not cheap. getting compenated somewhat only makes sense for someone to do it and may there be many more
Adam, I'm a huge fan of yours and your channel! You're str8 forward honesty and upfront approach in this video is just fantastic! it's nice to see a well-considered and well-argued stance done respectfully yet effectively! I happen to personally think you're fair balanced in the reviews I've seen! thank you for what you do and thank you for promoting our hobby!!
Congratulations Adam and Heidi, Im looking forward to everything you have coming in the future. You cover a lot of great information and I got a good laugh out of the scemantics of reviewer and influencer as I have pointed out many times the same thing about assemble and build. Anyone who picks up a dictionary and I have, will see that the act of assembly is to build. I end that argument over and over. Semantics. I know you will continue to bring your excellent level of objectivity and honesty to everything you show. Good luck!
Adam, I've been friends with you before your channel had even started, even then I knew that you would always be true to your word, people sometimes get jealous when they see other people getting free stuff,personally it doesn't bother me at all and I think your honesty,hard work and skill as a pilot is paying dividends!! So congratulations on your success, I know you will always give an honest and objective review!! P.s it's time to give Heidi a pay rise 🤣😂
Congratulations on partnering with Horizon. But please don't forget the smaller companies like , Flex innovations and Multiplex for example. keep up the good work ! thank you for all these informative video`s.
Love the channel and congratulations! Always look forward to your informative and in-depth reviews and appreciate the set-up guide that you include as well. Has helped dial in a few of my planes. I will say I actually like Phoenix 5.5 and find it a super helpful learning tool but haven't tried the newer RealFlight versions to compare.
Thanks very much! Really appreciate that. Man I played that Phoenix so much i got bored with it I think. I will say the plane choices and physics on the RF are better for sure.
Adam. Fantastic. You deserve it and will make a great influencer for HH. Just keep doing what you doing and the rest of us will support you all the way buddy. 👍👋😉
I like reviews from both less and more experienced persons. If I'm a beginner, I might be interested in another beginner's experience and point of view. If a more experienced pilot is reviewing, I also value that. This is Mark, I still can't access my original channel, so I'm starting all over again with 2 subscribers!
@Model AV8R Thanks, Adam; and good video about reviews and different sources for reviews, advantages & disadvantages, as well as your description of your relationships with RC Vendors etc. I don't think anyone doubts the quality or non-biased aspects of your videos, keep 'em coming! I'm going to try and get my previous phone repaired so I can use it to continue accessing my original channel.
Thank you very much for doing this episode, Adam. Answered several curiosity questions and put it all in perspective in an extremely articulate manner. Did you do TED talks in the 90's lol? I've always come to your channel for the exact values and qualities you self-described and hold virtuous for your content and delivery. Keep up the good work with your "great camera girl" 😄
Thanks very much! I'm so glad this was helpful. We figured it would be if people payed attention. Some unfortunately had their mind made up beforehand...
For all of us, who continually come back to observe the Model AV8R channel, we easily recognize the contribution to, and experience you have in, the rc aviation hobby. We should all look for honest, no holds barred, good, bad and ugly reviewers of the aircraft we own or would like to aquire. Tips, modifications and suggestions help us all to maintain our aircraft and grow. The content you provide gives us that. I'm happy for you and Heidi, that your efforts are getting noticed by affiliates. Edit: BIG thanks to John at the JUSTWINGIT channel for informing me about the AV8R channel. AirHammer out!!.
My issue is when people review it on their maiden flight, there’s a lot of times issues that come up a month or two downs the road, or it gets better based on weather or trim for example. There’s a reviewer in another hobby that will do a 2m month report card as he calls it, where he either verifies or says that his thoughts have changed on the product since his original review.
Fair point. We always put multiple flights on most airplanes (10 or more usually before a review). There have been a couple in the past that were borrowed NIB, so we only flew them one day (still got several flights though). The checkups are great. In my experience though, with quality planes it's never gotten worse for me. It may get better as I slightly refine the set up, but if I like it after 15 flights, I still do after 100. That said I hate when a reviewer says "this thing flies awesome" 20 seconds in to the maiden...lol.
Well said - I myself would only fly what I believe to be decent enough to spend my hard earned $$ on - our channel has no sponsorship - its more for entertainment - however I sincerely appreciate your candid - straight up - face forward approach - I appreciate this and I know manny of your subscribers do as well . Cheers - Keep on keeping on - All the best ! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Honest and straight forward. I watched your Habu SS review and ordered it plus the smart batteries / charger based on your comments as they were helpful and relevant. Pity we can’t support your channel by ordering via your link in the U.K.! Unless you know different ? Look forward to more of the same. Regards.
Thank you Bob! You'll enjoy the Habu. Thanks for watching. I'm not sure about using the link to be honest. I suppose if you order from the regular HH website it should work, but if you have to order from another distributor it wouldn't.
🤙I always enjoyed your channel and how you do the history of the planes and your hobby tips! I hope that you continue with other brands besides Horizon Hobby, personally when i sent numerious emails to a company and and never get a reply on a simple question, pretty much sealed the deal for me not to purchase there products especially when everything is top dollar! I have watched channels change and push the products that they review over and over and i have been asked not to talk about certain things on their channel, that's when i stopped supporting there channel. I don't see you doing that! ☠Semper Fi Adam, God Speed! Looking forward to the next flight!
Thank you man! Really appreciate that. Brother your experience is yours. I hate to hear that you've had bad customer service. You might try addressing someone from the company on RDG. They tend to respond there and may be able to help you. We appreciate all your support brother...God Bless!
It's all karma at the end of the day. Adam... (and Heidi, of course) you're as honest as the day is long, have a HUGE depth of knowledge and experience to share, and these qualities simply SHINE out of everything you do. This is why the big boys have sat up, taken notice, and then offered the chance to work with them. Do good in this world and good will come back around for you. I'm really quite excited to see where this all leads, chap. Only thing is that Bubba had better shape up! 😄
Thank you Gina! We appreciate all your kind words! It's going to be a fun ride. Glad you and Alan are coming along with us! Bubba...he'll never shape up. That boy ain't right.
I've been watching you guys from the beginning and enjoy your viewpoints. Because of you, I've been working on my left stick skills (Twistedhobbies) and it's really helped improve my flying. I wish I had gotten into RC when I was younger, because starting at 58-years old makes it harder...but I'm loving it. Here's a possible subject matter for you to dig into...I'd love to learn more about sound modules for RC planes if you get a chance.
Thanks for the kind words and we're so glad our content has helped you! That is why we do it! I have a buddy that is in to the sound modules...we can do that at some point.
Adam, So happy for your channel. Just keep doing what you do.. Oh, BTW.. Heidi does a really great job at laying out your wardrobe for the filming.. You always look great.. 🙂
Congratulations on getting connected with HH. I’m sure your reviews will remain honest. It’s great that they sent you a big supply of batteries, chargers, sim etc. if a plane would require your level of resources and skill in order to be flown competently the majority of fliers probably shouldn’t buy it. I like to read the reviews posted by actual purchasers. If only certain people post glowingly, beware. Finally, do the manufactures do a quality check of products before they ship them to you or are they sending you the same things that end up in the hobby shops?
Thanks! They send us off the self examples. Sealed up and fully packaged. The same stuff you order. Flying the planes "competently" and at a "high level" are two different things. Of course you don't have to have our level to fly the planes, but if a reviewer flies one and its a complete crap show...it is more than likely a skill issue not a plane issue. The main advantage of a skilled reviewer is you can see what the plane is capable of at its best, and they can help with set up expertise to get other pilots planes set up as good as they can be.
I am sure you will give your honest review, you give a lot more information that here is a plane it’s great. You always in my eyes stand out from many others. Great to be apart of your ‘Review Journey’ 🫡
as a smal influencer (as you called it) i think that sounds reasonable, and if you ask me, so far you did a good job, and i certainly hope you can stay true to your idea of a good review, by not only saying good and bad things about a the models if you have to, but also by not not talking about stuff that so many other channels not even risk to mention in there reviews....cheers
congratulations to you and Heidi for your excellent candor and thoroughness thus far. I hope your reviews continue the objectivity and diversity of manufacturers in the future !
This is a video that you definitely needed to write, but probably didn’t need to post. I mean, it’s good that you’ve put so much thought into your channel’s mission statement, but we didn’t get to see any planes fly! You know what you never see? (At least I haven't) is a review of an HH plane using (for example) a Radiomaster TX16 with ELRS. Maybe, fly the model in "safe mode" then swap out that Spectrum receiver for an after-market stabilizer like an Eagle A3Super4 or a Kopilot or whatever. Just seeing how one might do that would be nice. I had a devil of a time sourcing a connector to build an adapter to fit the XT30 connector on my battery so I could fly my Eratix. I still haven’t got the stabilizer working right on the FrSky S8R receiver that I’m using. I gave up because it flies great with the stabilizer mode turned off, but it would be nice to know if it just doesn’t work on this model or I’ve mucked up the configuration, or maybe my stabilizer’s busted. I wish you the best of luck with your channel. Its success is a win for everyone in the hobby!
Lol...yeah man we'll have flying next Monday I promise! I have seen many have issues with the RM and Spektrum. I think all the options are not available? I'm not really familiar with the RM stuff as I've never used it but thats what I've read. Thanks for the kind words!
Be truthful …you use to think the same thing, and I would rather you tell me you did not pay $1,000-$2,000…..look at your table in front of you…..just be honest with yourself, and let everyone else decide on how much you put into it on review….just be honest in review if free that’s all, nothing more nothing less , and I will continue to watch your channel and continue taking your advice….if you are honest about product, and you get a lil stipend from it, so what….your honesty will come through on channel and I will thank you for it
Adam - Well I just lost all I typed here (and it was good Adam, I mean really good) - so I'll just say Good Intro, nice to see you - Reviewers I understand - do not believe nor have I ever let a so called Influencer ..... Influence me...... Never understood nor do I support monetarised videos or Patron, or Crowd Funding, of pay to view stuff - on videos - that is a real turn off for me - I enjoyed the video, lots of info regarding your approach - got the message regarding comments - oh and I love the fact that the adverts that RUclips put on the videos have nothing to do with the Video content - big hello to Bubba and Heidi... Stay well -
One thing I appreciate is you fly and review the planes as they come from your supplier. I enjoy watching videos of upgraded models right out of the box but that's a bit deceiving. I like seeing 👀 how the plane or EDF Jet Flys pure stock right out of the box 1st. I'd it preforms better with upgrades to fly it like you stole it :so be it . But I watch your videos to get a good honest review of what I get in the box . Thank you for that. Tell it like it is. We have been in the hobby for many many years unlike a few others. Been flying for 40 years or so. From glow planes to quadcopters, FPV drones and helicopters. Technology has come so far. I enjoy knowing your in a similar boat. Keep it real. Great channel much respect. 👍
Yes indeed. Swapping out Receivers and flight assistant boxes , servos etc, and doing high end custom mixing wirh high end Transmitter s doesn't actually show me what I'd be buying for the price . I truly love watching what some planes or jets could do after these mods but for me not the channels to watch to see what I'm getting as in stock form. I'm happy to see H.H on board with you as well as Hobby King. Hopefully FMS will jump on board soon too. 🙏
Congrats Adam & Heidi. I do have a lot of E-flite gear & love it. Unfortunately it is getting sooo expensive here in OZ. Also we cannot order now from the USA, i think, due to the agent here. But from time to time i can get a special like the Air Tractor, but normally look to other well priced brands like Arrows, XFly etc. all the very best with your new channel mate. Regards🇦🇺🦘
Congratulations Adam, no need to defend yourself, the truth is easy to see. Adam if you get a plane with a problem preventing it from flying well, you come up with a fix to get the plane flying well and share it with everyone. Flying RC is about having fun, Jeff in LA USA
I trust you 100%. I have never had a problem of any significance with an airplane that you reviewed and because of that review i went & bought it. I know manufacturers expect/hope for any affiliate to give their products a review that leads to sales. You do that, BUT..BUT..you do point out issues that your subscribers should be made aware of in a way that makes viewers comfortable. Manufacturers (in my worthless opinion) put off potential customers when an influencer is literally hyper about everything they review. They may drop subtle hints about an issue but spend all of 15 seconds talking about it..and then it’s back to everything is lollipops, hula-hoops and puppies regarding the item being reviewed. Those channels make me want to sail away and make my own decisions about what’s good and what isn’t. It’s a fine line between being honest with subscribers & keeping manufacturers satisfied. I believe you do both & are honest with those that trust you with their R/C flying dollars.
Thanks very much for taking the time to write that, we appreciate it! We made this video just as we started to get sponsors in hopes of getting ahead of the folks that judge people/channels based on one single circumstance. You get free planes = you have to be a BS'er. Its a shame some see it that way, but it is what it is. To us, it isn't that hard to do an honest, helpful review. Products now a days are very good usually, and any issues are almost always solvable with a bit of minor modelling or set up. We just state the facts based on our experience with it, give a solution to any "issue" if there are any, and assume the viewer has enough sense to determine if it is for them or not based on that. That is why we always say "If (key word IF) you'd like to add one to your hangar, here are some links, thanks if you use them" rather than "you need this , you gotta get one, we have bills, buy it, etc" . I have become bolder with an occasional opinion lately...like saying the Super Timber is THE sport bush plane for me, but I do point out that is my opinion based on my skill level and preferences...not necessarily everyone. I used to fear saying something like that even though it is true because of the haters, but I've learned not to care what people that unfairly judge us think. You can't please everybody, and short of roasting everything they send us, haters assume anyone getting free stuff is a liar anyway. Again, thanks very much...we appreciate you paying close enough attention to know better.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Absolutely. I bought the 15cc Carbon Cub because i had my eye on it and after seeing your crystal clear video review i immediately pulled the trigger. The Super Timber as The Super Timber goes to the field every time i do. Couldn’t be happier with either airplane.
Well done! The reason why I rate you as my top rc information channel is because I can trust everything you say about a product. Not only that, as a relative new enthusiast I can learn so much from your technical information and setups. Then I can see exactly what mean when Heidi does those great video's of the flying of that model. WELL DONE.You deserve it. Keep up the great work. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦
Very good post I watch your reveiws and others on certiain planes Im intrested in and some of the sites you have to take with a grain of salt so far because of your site I have purchaced the umx pitts turbo timber twin otter and the air tractor been please with them all plus on your last review I just received my e-flite Habu 50mm very easy to put togather and bind havent been able to fly it yet too windy and rainy this week keep up the good work and beacuse Im on fix income and retired I do research alot sites to make sure it will be a good value and have many fun flights thanks again
I just fly what I like and record myself doing that lol I always tell people this hobby isn’t what makes me 6 figures a year. It just costs me money but I enjoy it 🎉
@@ModelAV8RChannel If only I used my powers of influence to advance my own channel 🤪 I had at least a dozen flights over the last couple days and took zero videos 😋
Congrats on the new relationship! Intro... honestly? I prefer the old one, particularly the music. I had just purchased RealFlight Trainer Edition on Steam and ended up asking for a refund. I found it extremely limited. Maybe Evolution is better? You can't buy that one on Steam though.
Thanks man! On the intros we'll be mixing it up and using both. Appreciate your honesty! RFE is really good, but I'm comparing it to Phoenix...which is no where near as good. I think sometimes it's a matter of which planes a person chooses to fly. The physics aren't equal across the board. On some they are great and others not so much.
I guess the true answer to whether someone could trust a person who is getting something for free is whether they would honestly admit if a plane had a flaw that should definitely be disclosed. Maybe they contacted the company first and said, look, it has such and such a defect and if you guys don't change it, I won't be singing its praises. If they went through that I'd trust them. But then again, if we weren't privvy to the whole context and only ever saw positivity, maybe it would look a bit off, especially when a wave of others were clearly stating this hypothetical flaw. Honesty is the key. If it's crap. Say it's crap or refuse a review and send it back to them.
Thanks very much Danny! It is what it is. He just proved my point ...assuming instantly based on what other YT channels have done. Thank you for judging us objectively, and individually.
One thing I would like to see by more reviewers do before they starting modifying rates, expos, CG etc. Give me an honest assessment on how the plane preforms using the manufactures recommendations for rates, expo, CG etc. Because in reality rates, expos, CG etc are flyer independent. Some pilots always want higher rates, rearward CG or more or less expo. This is because of their preference of style and capability. If reviewers can provide and assessment on manufactures recommendations and then state in their opinion for example the roll rate is too sluggish or too fast and may need the rates adjusted based on their preference and capability. I feel most potential buyers will not vary much from a manufactures recommendations. Future pilots would have a better idea if the manufacture hit the mark for a good flying experience using their recommendations. Then the reviewer can provide his opinion based on his flying style on what adjustments he/she made..
I see what you're saying David. The thing is that the manual recommendation is always just a starting point for everyone. That is a set up that usually one guy that test flew it came up with. It is an established CG and control throw setting where the airplane does what was intended. The expo (and gain settings if it has a gyro) are what that particular guy at the company preferred. While a company like Horizon may have as many as 8 or10 guys fly a new plane, the set up they go with in the manual is the preferred set up of the one of those guys that is writing the manual. It's just one pilots opinion/preference. They know most experienced pilots will change it somewhat to their liking, and for the less experienced guys they know with what they suggest as a start the plane will fly successfully as intended. The big question is, and we cover this...what skill level pilot is the plane suited for? If a pilot really has the skill required for a plane (beyond beginner) they should be able to fly it on the manual set up, and adjust it if they prefer. When we make large changes in our set up, or tune a plane for a specific mission, we explain why. Other than that though it is a given that small changes are just for personal feel. The flaw in what you're asking is that how the airplane flies with the manual set up is just an opinion as well, and so are the changes each individual makes, reviewer or otherwise. You can tell what a guy thought of the suggested set up by what they change. If they add throw, it wasn't responsive and maneuverable enough, if they reduce throw or add bunch of expo, it was too responsive, etc. Basically what I'm saying is...I can tell you what I thought of the manual set up, but that doesn't mean that is how YOU would have felt about it if you flew it. At the end of the day you have to decide "Is this plane within my skill set to fly?" After that...you have to set it up to suit you. That may be the manual set up, it may not, but only YOU can determine that for yourself after you get stick time on it. All that said you may find a reviewer who's set ups really suit you, and that may become your preferred starting point. Also, I've been doing this a long time, and with some types of planes I just know where to start for me. I may not even look at the manual set up other than to see if there is some crazy misprint or error I need to share with viewers. Hope this helps, thanks for your thoughts!
What a superb and honest episode Adam I've watched your channel grow and am glad to be able to benefit from it I would trust your " reviews " anytime ! You have the dedication and enthusiasm and most of all honesty and I for one am looking to see what you do in 2023 👍
Congratulations on the affiliation, really well deserved Adam and crew 😁👍 I'm totally on board with all your thoughts and opinions on reviews and showcases, like I've always said, your channel is a fresh breath of air on all the infomercials out there. Your channel is the go to place to find objective info and review of a product, just because you have already thought through the process and decided on the real information needed by the modeller for the modeller. Thanks for all your hard work.
CONGRATULATIONS ADAM!!! Very well deserved my friend, your doing a fantastic job with your channel, as well as your flights and reviews. Keep up the great work buddy 👊🏼👊🏼
Second comment.... You have been warned... Fellow subscriber's Adam speaks better than most of us (must be Heidi's influence) But a lesson I learned a long time ago.... Pay attention to what he "doesn't" say when reviewing a model... Besides gettin free batts just means more flights... good for us... old_coastie
Adam. I have watched most of your episodes and the videos speak for themselves. No need to have to explain affiliate links…in fact i thought you might want to explore Patreon or SuperThanks so we dont have to freeload too much off your content. In terms of constructive comments…you are too nice on your planes…i think you have the skill and experience to gently test the planes up until the point of destruction. For example for a STOL plane how much abuse can the landing gear take on steep approach 3pointers? (How does that Draco landing gear compare to the Carbon-Z cub for example?) how many Gs can that F-14 take before the stabs give out? How do the airplanes behave in mid-day turbulent conditions…for those of us who dont get to fly at those beautiful golden hours that you seem to get to fly in every video?😀.
For most of us fellow fliers, reviews add the most value when they provide information on 1) how to spend limited time and money, 2) how to make the most out of equipment we already have, 3) how to elevate our level of flying / building, and 4)pointers on good resources that we didnt know about. The sponsorship sometimes get tricky for example when one completely ignores the other options available on the market. A few things come to mind…the fantastic features and reliability of Jeti / Frsky / opentx systems, the batteries from SMC / CNL / Tattu, MSCGUY’s battery review community, HobbyEagle A3pro gyros vs. powerbox vs. smoothflite, etc. It would be rather misleading to just cover products just because they are on your desk without some basic due diligence on the conpetitive landscape. Afaik you have never recommended any turds in 69 episodes…keep it up👍🏽😀
Thank you Leo! One thing...as a professional courtesy, and we have done this since we started, we try to stay in that products lane when we do a review. If it is a comparison thats another story (like our Eratix episode). But on a review we judge that particular product based on what the manufacturer promises of it, and only feature that product.
BTW... since getting into RC planes just a few weeks ago, the channels that have quickly become my favorites are this one, Brian Phillips RC, Tail Heavy Productions, and Two Brothers Radio Control.
He said "we lost him", and this based on other YT channels experience. We've done nothing wrong and we're just starting out. If that is the case and we lost his support over that...see ya. This is about our journey. I'm not going to let this comment section go off the rails and become about other YT channels experience. I'd never go in to another channels comment section and put them in that position by airing our business on their channel. Not the place for that.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I think you missed a chance to turn him around Adam. I get those types of comments now and again. I generally only delete the death threat type comments 😆
Dom I respect your opinion, and thank you for the kind defense against jimlaheys comment. That said...I think they both are the ones that missed an opportunity. They missed the opportunity to pay attention to a 30 minute video we spent 30 hours putting together. Shooting and re shooting sections to make sure we were exactly on point. It should be clear the way to judge a channel is to do so based on what that channel does, NOT on what other channels do, have done, or situations they may be in. Both these fellas chose to try and use our comment section to talk crap about others, and one of them included specific names to make sure he insulted them. That is classless. I would never go in to any other channels platform and air any dirty laundry, opinions of others, or accusations. There may be a place for that, but it's not here. If they want to do that kind of thing on their channel they can knock themselves out. I won't ever do that, and I'm not having it here. Finally...they both assumed things about us based on other situations...exactly what we talked about not doing. They both made it clear that for ridiculously ignorant reasons they were done with us. So I'll tell ya...if they want to be done with us over that stupid crap, I'll help them expedite that. They are done just as they wanted...no other ignorant comments they make will ever be seen here again. Shouldn't upset them...after all they're done with us. Dom again, I appreciate what you're trying to do. I really do, but having people around our channel that do that kind of stuff and kissing their butt to keep them around isn't high on my list. I've got better things to focus on.
I believe it is a natural reaction these days to be concerned about any 'influence' that comes our way. The only way to be reasonably sure that this influence is fair and objective is to have trust in the influencer. Like most of your 2.9K subs (wow, that has been shooting up ...), I have watched enough of your channel to feel that level of trust in what you say and, more importantly, to be pretty certain you didn't leave out something important, for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure your 2nd F14 review still referred to the hand launch helping device you felt forced to make because Eflite neglected to (maybe for scale reasons). You didn't just conveniently forget to mention it because the model was free. Now, if every aircraft you review in 2023 is magically perfect in all respects, well, I'll have to delete this comment 😉Your channel is building into an invaluable resource and the more aircraft you receive, the more useful it is. I want you to spend your RC budget on the stuff that you really want and see no reason why you shouldn't have all the review stuff free (anyway, it's not really free when you are taking all the necessary hours to get the video made). We must all acknowledge Scott's kind help thus far in loaning the channel so much stuff - now he won't have to and you can give everything a damn good thrashing!
Thanks my friend! Scott and Carl have helped us so much. We sure appreciate them! You said a ton by saying "I have watched enough of your channel to feel that level of trust". That is the thing some don't bother to do. Watch us, listen to us, see what the plane does, and objectively assess what we are doing. I'll never mind being judged as a reviewer if that judgement is based on some actual research on us. I'm very confident in what we are doing. It's hard for me to respect the folks that just find out something was free, and assume we're a shill right off the bat based on what other channels do. Thanks again for all your support!
Well let's face it... you are basically employed by those companies. And i can promise you... you will be more apt to give positive reviews since you now have your little affiliate link. And do you suppose you will continue to employ you if you give bad reviews on their products? Congrats to you though... look forward to your 'reviews'. I appreciate you attempting to sell your channel... but let's face it, if you dog HH products you'll be done.
Ryan you're exactly the kind of guy that needs to actually listen to whats being said in this episode. You had your mind made up before you watched it. Understand this...your comment comes across insulting. You're clearly questioning my integrity, and being a bit condescending while you're at it. So I'll respond to your points... We are employed, yes, but not by Horizon Hobby. That's why we can remain independent and review/fly products from other companies. Also...clearly you don't have a grasp of what "small commission" means. Our "little affiliate link" will make us a little money to offset some of the costs involved in making the content, but we're not quitting our day job there homie. Maybe your inclination to assume the worst of people comes from knowing what you'd do in the same situation. If you couldn't be forthright that's on you. If you could, then it takes some real arrogance to think you could, but others can't. Of course if we "trashed" any of these companies they'd be a heck of a lot less likely to want to send us products. There is a BIG difference in eloquently pointing out a shortcoming of a particular plane and maybe how to fix it, and outright "trashing" a company as a whole. You make it sound as if the only way to point out a minor issue is to throttle a company like a Comedy Central Roast. An idiot would, but we're a bit more mature and articulate. The other thing that is great, and one of the reasons we decided to become an affiliate with HH is that there are only minor issues. I've flown and had experience with their products for years. As a very experienced modeler and a higher skill pilot, the only issues we ever have are minor. We can easily get the most from a good product. Less experienced/skilled modelers may have more issues, but to be fair they have more issues with everything...not just HH products. It's more an issue with the end users capability than an issue with the products. The bottom line is our "reviews" will be as forthright as they always have. You may be to biased to see it, but they will be.
So long as you guys continue to review a product by openly discussing shortcomings (whether you find them or you’ve taken note of negative forum comments) and show ways to overcome them, I’ll keep coming back for more. Example - FMS Pitt’s V2 battery retaining mod and the alternative prop option (with performance data). Congratulations on your new trade relationship, just keep the format and keep up the great work.
Thank you! That is exactly what we will do.
We're super happy for you Adam! Well deserved after all the work you've put in.
Thanks man. Really appreciate it. You guys are certainly rockin'...congrats on the success of your channel as well!
Great topic. Great page. I would like to add advocate channels that promote the people and locations of this wonderful hobby. Keep the awesome content coming.
Thanks very much!
Hello "Model AV8R"! This is amazing! Thank you for the wonderful video! I saw it with great interest! Great! Thanks for the inspiration! Have a nice day!
Thank you! Cheers!
From an official review author for Ezone/RCGroups for 22 years ... great video that touches on many points I have also dealt with, and conversations with those that seek "honesty" in reviews with less hype.
Thanks. I appreciate that!
Thanks for doing what you do Adam and Heidi. I think it is great that a couple of the manufacturers have reached out to you to review their products. I think they reach out because they like the way you present products and people respect your opinion, After watching you for about a year, I don't think you would sign up with anyone who wanted to tell you what to do or think. Congratulations
Thank you very much Tony! You are right...we wouldn't.
Good luck and have fun growing your channel Adam 😉 - Dom (Essential RC)
Thank you Dom!
Hi Adam, great stuff about reviewers and influencers. From 1985 until about 2009 when magazine reviews were the main place to see new products, I reviewed many new model items; models, motors/esc's, chargers, etc for Model Aviation, Silent Flyer, Flying Models, Model Airplane News and Fly RC. Even then we got comments about how we were getting stuff for free (and getting paid by the magazine ,slave wages, but still paid) so how could the review not be biased? I would remind the modeling public that back then, page space in a magazine was precious (and expensive) and it was more telling when a model DID NOT get reviewed than when it was. Occasionally I was sent a product that I could not say anything nice about, or found way more negatives than positives. I alerted the magazine and that item simply NEVER got reviewed. They did not send the item off to some other reviewer..... it just never showed up in the pages of any magazine. Content space is no longer a problem with RUclips. However, I am sure, if you have not already, you will run into a product that just is not worth your time. Keep up the great work, Tom
Thanks Tom. Appreciate that. Yes, there is so much behind the scenes viewers/readers don't really know. The amount of work that goes into anything like this that is well done...they can't imagine. When you consider the time devoted to this...the products are not free at all. We earn them three fold. You're right, I'm sure it will happen at some point, but so far so good. The planes are so good now a days an experienced, fairly skilled modeler should be good to go in most cases. I see a lot of complaints about planes that to be honest, are just modeling to me. People are so lazy now. I saw a guy complaining on RCG about having to mechanically center a control surface. Really? Lol.
Great job Adam. I think we all appreciate your honesty and look forward to many more reviews. This is a fantastic hobby and YOU are one of the reasons that statement can be made. Thank you and happy flights!👍
Thanks very much Ken! Really appreciate that!
From a guy who remembers when the only information you could get was from MAN, RCM, Flying Models, the library and others, I absolutely love RUclips for product info as well as setup info. If you have any experience in R/C, you can tell the honest reviews from the sales pitch. Personally, I think these channels saved the model industry from the depths of bankruptcy because of the interest the internet has generated. I know making these videos isn't an easy task and requires lots of time. If there is a link that compensates the channel, I use it if I choose to buy the product. Even the young teens that make a video about something they are flying have information that I was seeking.
I remember that as well...had stacks of magazines! Thanks very much for the kind words!
Other than you left out RC Groups (my own personal fountain of info) You nailed it. Great insight re: Saviour of the RC Industry... You might have a great insight there. Great Post.
Great show!
Der Patrincic Brothers an Brian Phillips got Me hooked.
Twas away from RC for over a decade.
Beauty Adam, luv Your stuff Mate!!
Thanks Jono!
One of my favorite (not reviewers) is the Petrincic Bros RC. They remind me how fun this hobby is. Of course they love every plane they fly. Their videos remind me of a day at the field with my buddies.
I love those guys! They are hilarious. I get their sentiment, if it has wings...I want to fly it.
first video i’ve seen from you and you just barely posted it! but love it all man please keep up your love for the hobby!
Thanks very much! Welcome!
I know Model AV8R is gonna go DEEP and give a well informed review of a plane's capabilities, and the assembly. I loved the Gloster Gladiator review for instance. I think that was the Bar that all reviewers should attempt to match.
Wow man...thank you!
Well what a great video Adam, I feel what you said was honest and to the point, anyone with a RUclips channel has to stick their head up above the trench and get shot at, that's just the nature of the Beast. I like the way you make suggestions on how to improve the model if you find it lacking in any way, that for me is what sets channels like yours apart, cheers 👍
Thanks very much Cliff! I admire the way you do a review as well. Thanks for the support my friend!
Adam congratulations on you're new endeavor. 👏. I have been watching you for quite some time and I subscribe to ALOT of the other influencer/reviewers whatever folks want to call them. I understand what people think and yes when you made the announcement earlier of making this video I wondered if the channel was going to be objective. I've considered my self a pretty good judge of character and the reason I come back and watch you're videos is because I can see the love and passion you have for the hobby in that I can feel it's genuine. I/we don't know the agreement/arrangement that you have with HH but I am going to suspect that you are NOT going to change to much cause of you're character in that I would go further out on a limb and say that if it did change you or you're channel to much that you would end you're relationship. I for one will keep watching and subscribed to you're channel and again congratulations Adam. Keep at it.
John thank you so much! We appreciate your willingness to be objective of us and actually consider our character. Unfortunately not everyone does. We won't let you down. Thanks for all your support!
Congratulations on dealing with this issue.
I respect and enjoy watching your content.
Do continue to disclose how you get an aircraft, because, while I hear all your saying, I am one of those who gets suspicious when I do not know how a reviewer got his sample.
Thanks very much for the kind words!
When you see the nice black cover on the bench, that is the tell that the plane/product is from a manufacturer. We pointed that out in this video too. However, there will really not be a difference in how we approach and do a review regardless. They will all be judged based on the same criteria.
I think part of the issue is that so many don't watch...they just judge. These reviews are long for a reason. That is the only way we can cover all the information as thoroughly as we deem necessary to do a good review. As we said in the video, we are very tactical in what we say, and how we say it. Every word is necessary to provide context, and the flying shown...the performance...always matches what is being said good or bad. In the analytics, we can see the average percentage viewed of each video. We know we have people that watch from beginning to end, but most don't. They are missing out on great information, tips, impressions, etc, but mostly...context. When you couple that fact with the fact that so many start the video with a preconceived notion it's all BS anyway because it was "free," the reviewer is at a great and unfair disadvantage before the viewer even hits play.
One of the key reasons we did this was to hopefully get people to go into our reviews (anybody's reviews really) with an open mind, watch the whole thing so they have context, see if the words and the performance shown match, and THEN decide what you think of the review. Hopefully more people are like you and will do just that.
Your channel is my go to review. Great work.
Thanks very much!
Great to see you in this new relationship. You are one of my favorite go-tos for great reviews! Very good discussion about "the Influencer." I really like Model Av8r because I can trust you to be honest and objective.
Thanks very much!
Good talk Adam! I'm looking forward to seeing you look at all the new exciting releases!
Thanks!
Adam (and Heidi) Great Job team... Much to digest here... Still not sure exactly where I fit in the whole continuum of Hobbyist and YT Creators... But I really liked this presentation. More via private channels later. Edit: Lookin forward to you flyin planes next week.... LOL
Thanks Mark! man you would not believe how much time we have in this episode. Every word counts. I''m with you...I'd rather be flying!! Lol.
Welcome to the family, and keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks man! Very much appreciate it!
Awesome video! I look forward to enjoying more of your content this year.
Thank you so much!
Recently found your channel and you seem like a good and trustworthy person. I think it's great when someone who's putting out good videos gets a relationship that makes it easier and lets them do more. "Influencer" though I feel like refers to people who are making that persona or their social media presence the primary focus and product, a brand. This trend is why such vague and empty words like "content" and "creator" get so much play, because that content itself isn't really the driving force. The people who make RUclips their job for instance, that raises alarm bells to me. There's one channel I'm thinking of in particular and I don't think they mean to be deceptive or truly steer people wrong, but the priorities and perspective are just a little off. It does make it hard to tell though when it's such a good company like Horizon. They have their issues, but I've gotten such good customer service from them that I'm probably captured too :)
Thanks very much! As for the other channel - That's the thing man. They may be infomercials, but...read their comment section. People adore them. They sell a ton of stuff for HH. They keep getting huge sub's, views, sales, and positive comments. Clearly they aren't burning anyone with the recommendations or all that would slow. HH does make great stuff. That has a ton to do with it. I say good for them. If what they are doing works for them...good on them. We're going to focus on what we do.
adam best of luck to you and your channel. all i wanna say is that , yes there are many different influencers or reviewers out there. to me its like watching a simple commercial on tv. i am a firm believer that there are planes for all types and every plane is designed to fly well, no matter the company. where i think you get into trouble is when you ask a plane to do what it wasnt designed to do and therefore people have a negative view on that plane. people are going to buy what they like personally . lets say a younger pilot buys a certain plane and it doesnt fly or do what he expected. he then gets discouraged and quits the hobby. when i buy a plane, the more videos and influencers , call it what you may, i see only help me make a better decision so keep it up adam and fly high. these videos are not easy and take alot of time and are not cheap. getting compenated somewhat only makes sense for someone to do it and may there be many more
Thank you! Glad our content is helpful!
Adam, I'm a huge fan of yours and your channel! You're str8 forward honesty and upfront approach in this video is just fantastic! it's nice to see a well-considered and well-argued stance done respectfully yet effectively! I happen to personally think you're fair balanced in the reviews I've seen! thank you for what you do and thank you for promoting our hobby!!
Thanks so much, and thank you for paying attention! What you see is what we want form the hobby and everyone in it.
Just found this channel so far love the content on it and the professionalism you speak with. I’ll definitely be watching more of it.
Thank you very much! Glad you're here!
Congratulations Adam and Heidi, Im looking forward to everything you have coming in the future. You cover a lot of great information and I got a good laugh out of the scemantics of reviewer and influencer as I have pointed out many times the same thing about assemble and build. Anyone who picks up a dictionary and I have, will see that the act of assembly is to build. I end that argument over and over. Semantics. I know you will continue to bring your excellent level of objectivity and honesty to everything you show. Good luck!
Thank you David! We appreciate all your support my friend! Good things are coming!
Adam, I've been friends with you before your channel had even started, even then I knew that you would always be true to your word, people sometimes get jealous when they see other people getting free stuff,personally it doesn't bother me at all and I think your honesty,hard work and skill as a pilot is paying dividends!! So congratulations on your success, I know you will always give an honest and objective review!! P.s it's time to give Heidi a pay rise 🤣😂
Ian thanks very much. We are humbled by your kind words my friend! YES...Heidi deserves a raise! Lol.
Great explanation and information. I like the intro too.😎👍
Thanks so much Keith!
Congratulations on partnering with Horizon.
But please don't forget the smaller companies like , Flex innovations and Multiplex for example. keep up the good work ! thank you for all these informative video`s.
Thanks very much! We won't my friend. if it has wings, there's a good chance I like it!
Love the channel and congratulations! Always look forward to your informative and in-depth reviews and appreciate the set-up guide that you include as well. Has helped dial in a few of my planes. I will say I actually like Phoenix 5.5 and find it a super helpful learning tool but haven't tried the newer RealFlight versions to compare.
Thanks very much! Really appreciate that. Man I played that Phoenix so much i got bored with it I think. I will say the plane choices and physics on the RF are better for sure.
Adam. Fantastic. You deserve it and will make a great influencer for HH. Just keep doing what you doing and the rest of us will support you all the way buddy. 👍👋😉
Thank you brother Brad! We appreciate all your support my friend!
I like reviews from both less and more experienced persons. If I'm a beginner, I might be interested in another beginner's experience and point of view. If a more experienced pilot is reviewing, I also value that. This is Mark, I still can't access my original channel, so I'm starting all over again with 2 subscribers!
Thank you Mark! Dang man...I sub'd to the new account. I hope you can get to the old one buddy!
@Model AV8R Thanks, Adam; and good video about reviews and different sources for reviews, advantages & disadvantages, as well as your description of your relationships with RC Vendors etc. I don't think anyone doubts the quality or non-biased aspects of your videos, keep 'em coming! I'm going to try and get my previous phone repaired so I can use it to continue accessing my original channel.
Thank you very much for doing this episode, Adam. Answered several curiosity questions and put it all in perspective in an extremely articulate manner. Did you do TED talks in the 90's lol? I've always come to your channel for the exact values and qualities you self-described and hold virtuous for your content and delivery. Keep up the good work with your "great camera girl" 😄
Thanks very much! I'm so glad this was helpful. We figured it would be if people payed attention. Some unfortunately had their mind made up beforehand...
For all of us, who continually come back to observe the Model AV8R channel, we easily recognize the contribution to, and experience you have in, the rc aviation hobby. We should all look for honest, no holds barred, good, bad and ugly reviewers of the aircraft we own or would like to aquire. Tips, modifications and suggestions help us all to maintain our aircraft and grow. The content you provide gives us that.
I'm happy for you and Heidi, that your efforts are getting noticed by affiliates.
Edit: BIG thanks to John at the JUSTWINGIT channel for informing me about the AV8R channel.
AirHammer out!!.
Thanks Hammer! Appreciate your support man!
My issue is when people review it on their maiden flight, there’s a lot of times issues that come up a month or two downs the road, or it gets better based on weather or trim for example.
There’s a reviewer in another hobby that will do a 2m month report card as he calls it, where he either verifies or says that his thoughts have changed on the product since his original review.
Fair point. We always put multiple flights on most airplanes (10 or more usually before a review). There have been a couple in the past that were borrowed NIB, so we only flew them one day (still got several flights though).
The checkups are great. In my experience though, with quality planes it's never gotten worse for me. It may get better as I slightly refine the set up, but if I like it after 15 flights, I still do after 100.
That said I hate when a reviewer says "this thing flies awesome" 20 seconds in to the maiden...lol.
Congrats to you both, and very well deserved! 👍🏻🙂 You make some very good points in this video.
Thank you Randy!
Well said - I myself would only fly what I believe to be decent enough to spend my hard earned $$ on - our channel has no sponsorship - its more for entertainment - however I sincerely appreciate your candid - straight up - face forward approach - I appreciate this and I know manny of your subscribers do as well . Cheers - Keep on keeping on - All the best ! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Thanks very much! We appreciate you!
Your honesty comes out on your channel whether your with horizon or not. I respect that. Great job. Keep it the same. You know how to present.
Thanks very much! Really appreciate that.
Honest and straight forward. I watched your Habu SS review and ordered it plus the smart batteries / charger based on your comments as they were helpful and relevant. Pity we can’t support your channel by ordering via your link in the U.K.! Unless you know different ? Look forward to more of the same. Regards.
Thank you Bob! You'll enjoy the Habu. Thanks for watching. I'm not sure about using the link to be honest. I suppose if you order from the regular HH website it should work, but if you have to order from another distributor it wouldn't.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Hi again, in the U.K. we can not order direct from HH. It has to through a vendor.
That's what I figured. It's all good, we appreciate you watching and commenting!
Good job of being transparent, honest, if people are awake they can see that anyway ….now back to planes …..lol
Thank you man. Clearly some aren't awake...
🤙I always enjoyed your channel and how you do the history of the planes and your hobby tips! I hope that you continue with other brands besides Horizon Hobby, personally when i sent numerious emails to a company and and never get a reply on a simple question, pretty much sealed the deal for me not to purchase there products especially when everything is top dollar! I have watched channels change and push the products that they review over and over and i have been asked not to talk about certain things on their channel, that's when i stopped supporting there channel. I don't see you doing that! ☠Semper Fi Adam, God Speed! Looking forward to the next flight!
Thank you man! Really appreciate that. Brother your experience is yours. I hate to hear that you've had bad customer service. You might try addressing someone from the company on RDG. They tend to respond there and may be able to help you. We appreciate all your support brother...God Bless!
Nice work....glad I discovered your videos.
Thanks very much!
It's all karma at the end of the day. Adam... (and Heidi, of course) you're as honest as the day is long, have a HUGE depth of knowledge and experience to share, and these qualities simply SHINE out of everything you do. This is why the big boys have sat up, taken notice, and then offered the chance to work with them. Do good in this world and good will come back around for you. I'm really quite excited to see where this all leads, chap. Only thing is that Bubba had better shape up! 😄
Thank you Gina! We appreciate all your kind words! It's going to be a fun ride. Glad you and Alan are coming along with us! Bubba...he'll never shape up. That boy ain't right.
@@ModelAV8RChannel 😄😄😄
Or ship out lol
I've been watching you guys from the beginning and enjoy your viewpoints. Because of you, I've been working on my left stick skills (Twistedhobbies) and it's really helped improve my flying. I wish I had gotten into RC when I was younger, because starting at 58-years old makes it harder...but I'm loving it. Here's a possible subject matter for you to dig into...I'd love to learn more about sound modules for RC planes if you get a chance.
Thanks for the kind words and we're so glad our content has helped you! That is why we do it! I have a buddy that is in to the sound modules...we can do that at some point.
Adam, So happy for your channel. Just keep doing what you do.. Oh, BTW.. Heidi does a really great job at laying out your wardrobe for the filming.. You always look great.. 🙂
Thank you brother! Ha! That's funny...Heidi is awesome!
Congratulations on getting connected with HH. I’m sure your reviews will remain honest. It’s great that they sent you a big supply of batteries, chargers, sim etc.
if a plane would require your level of resources and skill in order to be flown competently the majority of fliers probably shouldn’t buy it. I like to read the reviews posted by actual purchasers. If only certain people post glowingly, beware.
Finally, do the manufactures do a quality check of products before they ship them to you or are they sending you the same things that end up in the hobby shops?
Thanks! They send us off the self examples. Sealed up and fully packaged. The same stuff you order. Flying the planes "competently" and at a "high level" are two different things. Of course you don't have to have our level to fly the planes, but if a reviewer flies one and its a complete crap show...it is more than likely a skill issue not a plane issue. The main advantage of a skilled reviewer is you can see what the plane is capable of at its best, and they can help with set up expertise to get other pilots planes set up as good as they can be.
Outstanding.... "Just another opportunity to excel".
Thank you Pappy! It is indeed.
I am sure you will give your honest review, you give a lot more information that here is a plane it’s great. You always in my eyes stand out from many others. Great to be apart of your ‘Review Journey’ 🫡
Thanks so much Chris! Appreciate all your support!
Appreciate your honesty, Sir 👍
Thank you Al.
as a smal influencer (as you called it) i think that sounds reasonable, and if you ask me, so far you did a good job, and i certainly hope you can stay true to your idea of a good review, by not only saying good and bad things about a the models if you have to, but also by not not talking about stuff that so many other channels not even risk to mention in there reviews....cheers
Thanks very much! We can. Wording is everything.
congratulations to you and Heidi for your excellent candor and thoroughness thus far. I hope your reviews continue the objectivity and diversity of manufacturers in the future !
Thank you Ken! They will...
This is a video that you definitely needed to write, but probably didn’t need to post. I mean, it’s good that you’ve put so much thought into your channel’s mission statement, but we didn’t get to see any planes fly!
You know what you never see? (At least I haven't) is a review of an HH plane using (for example) a Radiomaster TX16 with ELRS. Maybe, fly the model in "safe mode" then swap out that Spectrum receiver for an after-market stabilizer like an Eagle A3Super4 or a Kopilot or whatever. Just seeing how one might do that would be nice. I had a devil of a time sourcing a connector to build an adapter to fit the XT30 connector on my battery so I could fly my Eratix. I still haven’t got the stabilizer working right on the FrSky S8R receiver that I’m using. I gave up because it flies great with the stabilizer mode turned off, but it would be nice to know if it just doesn’t work on this model or I’ve mucked up the configuration, or maybe my stabilizer’s busted.
I wish you the best of luck with your channel. Its success is a win for everyone in the hobby!
Lol...yeah man we'll have flying next Monday I promise! I have seen many have issues with the RM and Spektrum. I think all the options are not available? I'm not really familiar with the RM stuff as I've never used it but thats what I've read. Thanks for the kind words!
Be truthful …you use to think the same thing, and I would rather you tell me you did not pay $1,000-$2,000…..look at your table in front of you…..just be honest with yourself, and let everyone else decide on how much you put into it on review….just be honest in review if free that’s all, nothing more nothing less , and I will continue to watch your channel and continue taking your advice….if you are honest about product, and you get a lil stipend from it, so what….your honesty will come through on channel and I will thank you for it
Fair enough. Thanks.
Adam - Well I just lost all I typed here (and it was good Adam, I mean really good) - so I'll just say Good Intro, nice to see you - Reviewers I understand - do not believe nor have I ever let a so called Influencer ..... Influence me...... Never understood nor do I support monetarised videos or Patron, or Crowd Funding, of pay to view stuff - on videos - that is a real turn off for me - I enjoyed the video, lots of info regarding your approach - got the message regarding comments - oh and I love the fact that the adverts that RUclips put on the videos have nothing to do with the Video content - big hello to Bubba and Heidi... Stay well -
Thanks Martyn! Appreciate all the support!
One thing I appreciate is you fly and review the planes as they come from your supplier. I enjoy watching videos of upgraded models right out of the box but that's a bit deceiving. I like seeing 👀 how the plane or EDF Jet Flys pure stock right out of the box 1st. I'd it preforms better with upgrades to fly it like you stole it :so be it . But I watch your videos to get a good honest review of what I get in the box . Thank you for that. Tell it like it is. We have been in the hobby for many many years unlike a few others. Been flying for 40 years or so. From glow planes to quadcopters, FPV drones and helicopters. Technology has come so far. I enjoy knowing your in a similar boat. Keep it real. Great channel much respect. 👍
Thanks very much Bill. I know what you mean, I prefer to know what I get out of the box before I start modding things.
Yes indeed. Swapping out Receivers and flight assistant boxes , servos etc, and doing high end custom mixing wirh high end Transmitter s doesn't actually show me what I'd be buying for the price . I truly love watching what some planes or jets could do after these mods but for me not the channels to watch to see what I'm getting as in stock form. I'm happy to see H.H on board with you as well as Hobby King. Hopefully FMS will jump on board soon too. 🙏
Thanks Bill!
Just started watching this website and it is worthwhile.
Thanks very much! Welcome!
Congrats Adam & Heidi.
I do have a lot of E-flite gear & love it. Unfortunately it is getting sooo expensive here in OZ. Also we cannot order now from the USA, i think, due to the agent here. But from time to time i can get a special like the Air Tractor, but normally look to other well priced brands like Arrows, XFly etc.
all the very best with your new channel mate.
Regards🇦🇺🦘
Thank you Noel! Really appreciate the support!
Right to the t! We live in a world of everyone is a professional and all have self credibility..... love a great technical review by a great pilot🙌🙌🙌
Thanks Jonny!
Congratulations Adam, no need to defend yourself, the truth is easy to see. Adam if you get a plane with a problem preventing it from flying well, you come up with a fix to get the plane flying well and share it with everyone. Flying RC is about having fun, Jeff in LA USA
Thanks Jeff! We try to help!
I trust you 100%.
I have never had a problem of any significance with an airplane that you reviewed and because of that review i went & bought it.
I know manufacturers expect/hope for any affiliate to give their products a review that leads to sales. You do that, BUT..BUT..you do point out issues that your subscribers should be made aware of in a way that makes viewers comfortable.
Manufacturers (in my worthless opinion) put off potential customers when an influencer is literally hyper about everything they review. They may drop subtle hints about an issue but spend all of 15 seconds talking about it..and then it’s back to everything is
lollipops, hula-hoops and puppies regarding the item being reviewed. Those channels make me want to sail away and make my own decisions about what’s good and what isn’t.
It’s a fine line between being honest with subscribers & keeping manufacturers satisfied.
I believe you do both & are honest with those that trust you with their R/C flying dollars.
Thanks very much for taking the time to write that, we appreciate it! We made this video just as we started to get sponsors in hopes of getting ahead of the folks that judge people/channels based on one single circumstance. You get free planes = you have to be a BS'er. Its a shame some see it that way, but it is what it is. To us, it isn't that hard to do an honest, helpful review. Products now a days are very good usually, and any issues are almost always solvable with a bit of minor modelling or set up. We just state the facts based on our experience with it, give a solution to any "issue" if there are any, and assume the viewer has enough sense to determine if it is for them or not based on that. That is why we always say "If (key word IF) you'd like to add one to your hangar, here are some links, thanks if you use them" rather than "you need this , you gotta get one, we have bills, buy it, etc" . I have become bolder with an occasional opinion lately...like saying the Super Timber is THE sport bush plane for me, but I do point out that is my opinion based on my skill level and preferences...not necessarily everyone. I used to fear saying something like that even though it is true because of the haters, but I've learned not to care what people that unfairly judge us think. You can't please everybody, and short of roasting everything they send us, haters assume anyone getting free stuff is a liar anyway. Again, thanks very much...we appreciate you paying close enough attention to know better.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Absolutely. I bought the 15cc Carbon Cub because i had my eye on it and after seeing your crystal clear video review i immediately pulled the trigger. The Super Timber as The Super Timber goes to the field every time i do. Couldn’t be happier with either airplane.
Outstanding man! Glad our channel is helpful and you like the planes...both are great and two of my favs.
Well done! The reason why I rate you as my top rc information channel is because I can trust everything you say about a product. Not only that, as a relative new enthusiast I can learn so much from your technical information and setups. Then I can see exactly what mean when Heidi does those great video's of the flying of that model. WELL DONE.You deserve it. Keep up the great work. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦
Thank you Shane...we appreciate the kind words! Very glad you find our content helpful!
Very good post I watch your reveiws and others on certiain planes Im intrested in and some of the sites you have to take with a grain of salt so far because of your site I have purchaced the umx pitts turbo timber twin otter and the air tractor been please with them all plus on your last review I just received my e-flite Habu 50mm very easy to put togather and bind havent been able to fly it yet too windy and rainy this week keep up the good work and beacuse Im on fix income and retired I do research alot sites to make sure it will be a good value and have many fun flights thanks again
Thanks very much! We are glad our content has been helpful, and we'll keep it up!
I just fly what I like and record myself doing that lol I always tell people this hobby isn’t what makes me 6 figures a year. It just costs me money but I enjoy it 🎉
Yep. Fun is the name of the game. We definitely won't be quitting our day jobs...
Looking forward to another great year of videos Adam, keep up the good work.
Glad to see your channel moving up to the next level.
I'm an influencer 😜
Thank you brother! And yes...you're an influencer! Lol
@@ModelAV8RChannel If only I used my powers of influence to advance my own channel 🤪
I had at least a dozen flights over the last couple days and took zero videos 😋
Congrats on the new relationship! Intro... honestly? I prefer the old one, particularly the music. I had just purchased RealFlight Trainer Edition on Steam and ended up asking for a refund. I found it extremely limited. Maybe Evolution is better? You can't buy that one on Steam though.
Thanks man! On the intros we'll be mixing it up and using both. Appreciate your honesty! RFE is really good, but I'm comparing it to Phoenix...which is no where near as good. I think sometimes it's a matter of which planes a person chooses to fly. The physics aren't equal across the board. On some they are great and others not so much.
I know Adam he’s honest and a very experienced modeler Great pilot too
Hey Skip! Thanks man.
I guess the true answer to whether someone could trust a person who is getting something for free is whether they would honestly admit if a plane had a flaw that should definitely be disclosed. Maybe they contacted the company first and said, look, it has such and such a defect and if you guys don't change it, I won't be singing its praises.
If they went through that I'd trust them. But then again, if we weren't privvy to the whole context and only ever saw positivity, maybe it would look a bit off, especially when a wave of others were clearly stating this hypothetical flaw.
Honesty is the key. If it's crap. Say it's crap or refuse a review and send it back to them.
Thanks for the support Nick.
All good info for all of us! Thanks!
Thank you!
Horizon has made a good choice.
Glad you accepted.
So sorry that you have to deal with negative Nancy's and Ryan's....
Thanks very much Danny! It is what it is. He just proved my point ...assuming instantly based on what other YT channels have done. Thank you for judging us objectively, and individually.
@@ModelAV8RChannel
Yes, Sir. He did 💯.
One thing I would like to see by more reviewers do before they starting modifying rates, expos, CG etc. Give me an honest assessment on how the plane preforms using the manufactures recommendations for rates, expo, CG etc. Because in reality rates, expos, CG etc are flyer independent. Some pilots always want higher rates, rearward CG or more or less expo. This is because of their preference of style and capability. If reviewers can provide and assessment on manufactures recommendations and then state in their opinion for example the roll rate is too sluggish or too fast and may need the rates adjusted based on their preference and capability. I feel most potential buyers will not vary much from a manufactures recommendations. Future pilots would have a better idea if the manufacture hit the mark for a good flying experience using their recommendations. Then the reviewer can provide his opinion based on his flying style on what adjustments he/she made..
I see what you're saying David. The thing is that the manual recommendation is always just a starting point for everyone. That is a set up that usually one guy that test flew it came up with. It is an established CG and control throw setting where the airplane does what was intended. The expo (and gain settings if it has a gyro) are what that particular guy at the company preferred. While a company like Horizon may have as many as 8 or10 guys fly a new plane, the set up they go with in the manual is the preferred set up of the one of those guys that is writing the manual. It's just one pilots opinion/preference. They know most experienced pilots will change it somewhat to their liking, and for the less experienced guys they know with what they suggest as a start the plane will fly successfully as intended.
The big question is, and we cover this...what skill level pilot is the plane suited for? If a pilot really has the skill required for a plane (beyond beginner) they should be able to fly it on the manual set up, and adjust it if they prefer.
When we make large changes in our set up, or tune a plane for a specific mission, we explain why. Other than that though it is a given that small changes are just for personal feel. The flaw in what you're asking is that how the airplane flies with the manual set up is just an opinion as well, and so are the changes each individual makes, reviewer or otherwise. You can tell what a guy thought of the suggested set up by what they change. If they add throw, it wasn't responsive and maneuverable enough, if they reduce throw or add bunch of expo, it was too responsive, etc. Basically what I'm saying is...I can tell you what I thought of the manual set up, but that doesn't mean that is how YOU would have felt about it if you flew it.
At the end of the day you have to decide "Is this plane within my skill set to fly?" After that...you have to set it up to suit you. That may be the manual set up, it may not, but only YOU can determine that for yourself after you get stick time on it.
All that said you may find a reviewer who's set ups really suit you, and that may become your preferred starting point. Also, I've been doing this a long time, and with some types of planes I just know where to start for me. I may not even look at the manual set up other than to see if there is some crazy misprint or error I need to share with viewers.
Hope this helps, thanks for your thoughts!
Love the content man🤙🏻
Thank you very much!
What a superb and honest episode Adam I've watched your channel grow and am glad to be able to benefit from it I would trust your " reviews " anytime ! You have the dedication and enthusiasm and most of all honesty and I for one am looking to see what you do in 2023 👍
Thanks very much Paul! Glad you're coming along on the journey!
Congratulations on the affiliation, really well deserved Adam and crew 😁👍 I'm totally on board with all your thoughts and opinions on reviews and showcases, like I've always said, your channel is a fresh breath of air on all the infomercials out there. Your channel is the go to place to find objective info and review of a product, just because you have already thought through the process and decided on the real information needed by the modeller for the modeller. Thanks for all your hard work.
Thank you so much man! We really appreciate your support my friend!
Personally I like the old intro better. Your videos always set a tone of being relaxing and the new intro kinda takes away from that in my opinion
Hey man thanks for your insight! It is kinda rocky. Our plan is to use both the new and old intro...we'll mix it up.
Fire intro!
Thanks man!
CONGRATULATIONS ADAM!!! Very well deserved my friend, your doing a fantastic job with your channel, as well as your flights and reviews. Keep up the great work buddy 👊🏼👊🏼
Jeff thank you man! Really appreciate it buddy!
Awesome and very deserving!
Thank you Trevor!
Second comment.... You have been warned... Fellow subscriber's Adam speaks better than most of us (must be Heidi's influence) But a lesson I learned a long time ago.... Pay attention to what he "doesn't" say when reviewing a model... Besides gettin free batts just means more flights... good for us... old_coastie
Thank you brother Mark! Appreciate all your support!
looking forward to your views and thoughts...all the best...
Thank you !
Adam. I have watched most of your episodes and the videos speak for themselves. No need to have to explain affiliate links…in fact i thought you might want to explore Patreon or SuperThanks so we dont have to freeload too much off your content.
In terms of constructive comments…you are too nice on your planes…i think you have the skill and experience to gently test the planes up until the point of destruction. For example for a STOL plane how much abuse can the landing gear take on steep approach 3pointers? (How does that Draco landing gear compare to the Carbon-Z cub for example?) how many Gs can that F-14 take before the stabs give out? How do the airplanes behave in mid-day turbulent conditions…for those of us who dont get to fly at those beautiful golden hours that you seem to get to fly in every video?😀.
Thank you Leo! Appreciate the support! I do like to take care of them...unless its a challenge video...then heaven help the poor plane!
For most of us fellow fliers, reviews add the most value when they provide information on 1) how to spend limited time and money, 2) how to make the most out of equipment we already have, 3) how to elevate our level of flying / building, and 4)pointers on good resources that we didnt know about. The sponsorship sometimes get tricky for example when one completely ignores the other options available on the market. A few things come to mind…the fantastic features and reliability of Jeti / Frsky / opentx systems, the batteries from SMC / CNL / Tattu, MSCGUY’s battery review community, HobbyEagle A3pro gyros vs. powerbox vs. smoothflite, etc. It would be rather misleading to just cover products just because they are on your desk without some basic due diligence on the conpetitive landscape. Afaik you have never recommended any turds in 69 episodes…keep it up👍🏽😀
Thank you Leo! One thing...as a professional courtesy, and we have done this since we started, we try to stay in that products lane when we do a review. If it is a comparison thats another story (like our Eratix episode). But on a review we judge that particular product based on what the manufacturer promises of it, and only feature that product.
Now that you have a new source of equipment, feel free to send one to me for an amateur review follow up, with crash footage 😂
Lol...there's an idea!
Are there any new 'kits' coming? Can you answer yes or no? Need some new balsa kits. Not into foam.
Not sure, but I doubt it. HH hasn't made balsa kits for years.
It is a lot of work that’s for sure.
It is...thank you.
BTW... since getting into RC planes just a few weeks ago, the channels that have quickly become my favorites are this one, Brian Phillips RC, Tail Heavy Productions, and Two Brothers Radio Control.
Welcome to the hobby! Glad you're here...
Eh, where did Ole Grini's comment about "sugar coating" and previous HH influencers "blacklisted" go ?! 🙄
He said "we lost him", and this based on other YT channels experience. We've done nothing wrong and we're just starting out. If that is the case and we lost his support over that...see ya. This is about our journey. I'm not going to let this comment section go off the rails and become about other YT channels experience. I'd never go in to another channels comment section and put them in that position by airing our business on their channel. Not the place for that.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I think you missed a chance to turn him around Adam. I get those types of comments now and again. I generally only delete the death threat type comments 😆
Dom I respect your opinion, and thank you for the kind defense against jimlaheys comment. That said...I think they both are the ones that missed an opportunity. They missed the opportunity to pay attention to a 30 minute video we spent 30 hours putting together. Shooting and re shooting sections to make sure we were exactly on point. It should be clear the way to judge a channel is to do so based on what that channel does, NOT on what other channels do, have done, or situations they may be in.
Both these fellas chose to try and use our comment section to talk crap about others, and one of them included specific names to make sure he insulted them. That is classless. I would never go in to any other channels platform and air any dirty laundry, opinions of others, or accusations. There may be a place for that, but it's not here. If they want to do that kind of thing on their channel they can knock themselves out. I won't ever do that, and I'm not having it here.
Finally...they both assumed things about us based on other situations...exactly what we talked about not doing. They both made it clear that for ridiculously ignorant reasons they were done with us. So I'll tell ya...if they want to be done with us over that stupid crap, I'll help them expedite that. They are done just as they wanted...no other ignorant comments they make will ever be seen here again. Shouldn't upset them...after all they're done with us.
Dom again, I appreciate what you're trying to do. I really do, but having people around our channel that do that kind of stuff and kissing their butt to keep them around isn't high on my list. I've got better things to focus on.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Fair play buddy. Enough talk about influencing. Time to go fly some aeroplanes 😉
@@EssentialRC I'm with you Dom...let's go fly!
I believe it is a natural reaction these days to be concerned about any 'influence' that comes our way. The only way to be reasonably sure that this influence is fair and objective is to have trust in the influencer. Like most of your 2.9K subs (wow, that has been shooting up ...), I have watched enough of your channel to feel that level of trust in what you say and, more importantly, to be pretty certain you didn't leave out something important, for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure your 2nd F14 review still referred to the hand launch helping device you felt forced to make because Eflite neglected to (maybe for scale reasons). You didn't just conveniently forget to mention it because the model was free. Now, if every aircraft you review in 2023 is magically perfect in all respects, well, I'll have to delete this comment 😉Your channel is building into an invaluable resource and the more aircraft you receive, the more useful it is. I want you to spend your RC budget on the stuff that you really want and see no reason why you shouldn't have all the review stuff free (anyway, it's not really free when you are taking all the necessary hours to get the video made). We must all acknowledge Scott's kind help thus far in loaning the channel so much stuff - now he won't have to and you can give everything a damn good thrashing!
Thanks my friend! Scott and Carl have helped us so much. We sure appreciate them! You said a ton by saying "I have watched enough of your channel to feel that level of trust". That is the thing some don't bother to do. Watch us, listen to us, see what the plane does, and objectively assess what we are doing. I'll never mind being judged as a reviewer if that judgement is based on some actual research on us. I'm very confident in what we are doing. It's hard for me to respect the folks that just find out something was free, and assume we're a shill right off the bat based on what other channels do. Thanks again for all your support!
Intro too loud compared to start of video
Thanks. Checked that out, you're right. We've adjusted it now so the next episode it should be better. Thanks again!
Never heard of you
Lol. Well I guess you have now.
Well let's face it... you are basically employed by those companies. And i can promise you... you will be more apt to give positive reviews since you now have your little affiliate link. And do you suppose you will continue to employ you if you give bad reviews on their products? Congrats to you though... look forward to your 'reviews'. I appreciate you attempting to sell your channel... but let's face it, if you dog HH products you'll be done.
Ryan you're exactly the kind of guy that needs to actually listen to whats being said in this episode. You had your mind made up before you watched it. Understand this...your comment comes across insulting. You're clearly questioning my integrity, and being a bit condescending while you're at it. So I'll respond to your points...
We are employed, yes, but not by Horizon Hobby. That's why we can remain independent and review/fly products from other companies. Also...clearly you don't have a grasp of what "small commission" means. Our "little affiliate link" will make us a little money to offset some of the costs involved in making the content, but we're not quitting our day job there homie.
Maybe your inclination to assume the worst of people comes from knowing what you'd do in the same situation. If you couldn't be forthright that's on you. If you could, then it takes some real arrogance to think you could, but others can't.
Of course if we "trashed" any of these companies they'd be a heck of a lot less likely to want to send us products. There is a BIG difference in eloquently pointing out a shortcoming of a particular plane and maybe how to fix it, and outright "trashing" a company as a whole. You make it sound as if the only way to point out a minor issue is to throttle a company like a Comedy Central Roast. An idiot would, but we're a bit more mature and articulate.
The other thing that is great, and one of the reasons we decided to become an affiliate with HH is that there are only minor issues. I've flown and had experience with their products for years. As a very experienced modeler and a higher skill pilot, the only issues we ever have are minor. We can easily get the most from a good product. Less experienced/skilled modelers may have more issues, but to be fair they have more issues with everything...not just HH products. It's more an issue with the end users capability than an issue with the products.
The bottom line is our "reviews" will be as forthright as they always have. You may be to biased to see it, but they will be.
Well said. I think some people are a little jelly
This from a guy who does amazing woodwork and has Zero plane vids... i.e. consider the source...