When Will My Sentence End? Reforming the Criminal Justice System | The Problem with Jon Stewart
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2023
- “We’ve served our time, we’ve paid our debt to society, and we’re facing 40,000 legal restrictions. When will my sentence end?”
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As an ex con this is the deepest clip I have ever seen on our justice system and much needed reform. I say this being cuff free for 10 years.
My cousin was convicted of receiving stolen property (federal case) when he was 20 years old. Sentenced to 9 years, served 3. Got out, landed on his feet, got a job, a home and was doing so well he was released from parole 4 years early. He did well because, at the time, you could lie about having a conviction and they'd never check any further than local agencies and maybe state. Fast forward 10 more years and now ANYBODY could pay $20 a month and do a full background check on you, local, state, and federal thanks to the internet. Well, he lost his job due to cutbacks and couldn't get another one because he couldn't get past background checks and nobody would hire a felon. Oh, he said he could get jobs, but at slave wages and they can and did treat him like shit because what other choice did he have?? He spent the next 20 years taking what jobs he could get and working until they no longer had need for him. He never dated or married because he said no way he'd have a family if he couldn't provide for them. So, he punished himself some more. He wouldn't even let me help him because he was afraid it would hurt MY career if the Air Force found out I was associating with him. He had no other family as his mother died while he was in prison, his dad died 5 years earlier and he was an only child.
He was a great guy, a friend like everyone would want. Honest, hard-working, fun to be around, intelligent, and witty. What did he do to mess his life up? Two of his friends robbed a bank. He gave them a ride (not knowing what they did) from Chicago to Detroit (their story was they were going to stay with family there). They paid him $200 bucks for his time. They got caught two days later and said he was the one who planned it and was their getaway driver. He was picked up, questioned, and when he gave them the money he was paid, he was in possession of three 'marked' $10 bills. Now, the feds had two 'witnesses' who were willing to testify, they had Wes in possession of the marked bills, oh, and the gun they used? Yeah, it was the .38 his dad had left him. They stole it from his house. He had no way of proving where he was at the time and no way of proving that he did NOT give them the gun. The feds were gonna charge him with multiple crimes. His attorney told him to accept the plea deal the feds offered him. So, the two 'friends' who committed armed bank robbery (one even fired a shot into the ceiling of the bank) got 5 years out of a possible 25. My cousin got 9 out of 10 years and was still being punished 35 years later.
A person sentenced to nine years shouldn't still be punished thirty-five years later. His only chance of relief was a presidential pardon which he filed for every year. The result from all of his efforts over the decades: DENIED, DENIED, DENIED.
How does this story end? Fast forward another 20 years of no job, no money, and finally no home. When that finally happened, he lost all hope and, in his desperation, he did commit two more crimes: He stole a gun, put the barrel in his mouth, and killed himself.
Federal felons should have their records sealed and expunged AUTOMATICALLY if you don't re-offend for a reasonable time after release. He didn't have to die and there are tens of thousands who are in the same boat. A lot of them are literally forced back into crime just to survive and others do what Wes did.
It's been 4 years now, brother. I miss you.
Sorry for the rant.
That's insane. Rest in peace
Thank you for sharing that, I'm so sorry for your loss
@@KeatrithAmakiir It's wrong. An innocent kid (yes, 20 is a kid!) railroaded by this corrupt system had his entire life stolen from him over $200 and a couple of liars trying to save their own asses.
@@itsjustme8947 I wholeheartedly agree! There was zero justice done there, just a DA trying to score points for their career advancement I'm sure
This brought tears to my eyes!
we also need to take the profit motive out of our judicial system, especially our corrections system.
No more Samuel Nortons!
Do you know that in CT, a company called Bob Barker makes and sells all of the clothing on commissary.... that's our bras, socks, underwear, t-shirts ect ect. These items all cost 5X the amount they cost in a store on the outside. When I was serving my time I could never understand why the prices were do very much higher. Now I understand. But the thing that used to make my blood boil was understanding that the prison system was taking advantage of my family who did nothing wrong except support me yo be a better person. Who do you think puts money on our books on yhe inside???? Our families. It's just mind blowing to me. We can't call this the best country in the world then turn around and treat our citizens this way..... ugh
i've been out for years, but im still paying "post-imprisonment fines". the only thing it accomplishes is keeping me from getting ahead. please just let me be done!
Look to Norway, Finland, ... for
examples of Best Practices and
Results.
When a country has incarcerated or is currently incarcerated a third of its population. It's clear there's something absolutely rotten in the judicial system I know America has the highest incarceration rate in the world but holy hell. That number really puts it into perspective
Worse than Communist China, and that is saying something because they also have a 99% conviction rate.
Idk if it’s that high but it’s still way too much. I agree on all points.
That's not the incarceration, it's the number of people with criminal records, which includes minor offenses that don't carry jail time
Always forgetting that committing most crimes has 100% to do with the person committing them not that they were just only guilty because of their skin color... While in some cases definitely way less than people think
Not exactly the judicial system. It's the system that legislated and created the laws that the judicial system upholds. The legislators made it virtually illegal to be a minority and have a good life, and since those bills became law, nobody has stepped in and said, "this isn't right, let's fix it." That's one of the great problems in the US
The whole "criminal justice system" has been jacked up for awhile. I saw a talk given by a former inmate. He related the story of his release from prison.
**The guards made him wear a pink f++king ballet tutu upon his release, in an attempt to humiliate him.** They were kicking him while he was down, one last time.
A "justice system" should be based on fairness and rehabilitation, not vengeance and greed.
Profit by any means necessary is the problem. Identifying that problem then accepting that as the problem is how we start to better things.
Solutions are so simple! It takes a measure of inhumanity to dehumanize, we have been fighting dehumanization. When these brothers speak it was so plain.. When the system changes we ALL can be free.
yep, we can ALL be free. let's open up the prisons and let everyone out, recipe for a good society right there!
I think the disconnect is we still see people convicted of crimes as active criminals. Some reoffend, maybe because they're broken in some way, most because they can't get a fair shake. Yeah, we're going to have issues, but if we don't give them a chance to reenter society as people, we're just setting them up to fail and to hurt others on the way back.
Look to Norway, Finland, ... for
examples of Best Practices and
Results.
Watch the 14-minute 1942 USDA film *Hemp for Victory* and end the war on drugs and reform the criminal justice system.
You'd all watch it if Jon Stewart told you about it, but Jon Stewart won't tell you about it. The film has been public since 1990 after 45 years of government and media censorship. How long has Jon Stewart been on television? It would take him less time to tell all of you about this than it takes for you to read my worthless RUclips comment about it. Every fucking day that any tv show host asks the stupid question, "What can we do about this?" is yet another day that 330 million Americans go on oblivious to any real truth or justice.
So, so true. This country is the biggest hypocrite in the world, for a ton of reasons. "Tough on crime" (unless you can afford a lawyer), being one of the worst.
It's hard to expect a person not to reoffend when the system and other people do everything possible to take away any viable options they'd have to rebuild their life and not commit the same or other criminal mistakes again. It's like a rehab center graduating an addict and mandating that they have to live in a trap house and they might be able to live in a better place after some years if someone takes a chance and offers them another place to live.
That said, this only applies to non-rich people. Rich people, on the other hand, will still be rich when they're released and will be able to easily get another job because they're rich and have connections.
@@seandobbins2231 The worst group in this regard are sex offenders. It's hard to have sympathy for someone who so horribly and intimately violated another person. Even so, not all sex offenders are the same. A man who gets caught masturbating in a public space isn't the same as one who rapes a three-year-old, yet their punishments are the same. They have to register as sex offenders, can't be within whatever distance of a school or day care, tell people within a certain distance of where they live that they ARE sex offenders, all of which puts enormous strain on the men.
One can no more control a deviant sexual desire than they can a healthy one, but putting a person under that level of stress will make someone massively more like to reoffend. If someone has an incurable deviant sexual desire, such as preferential rape or pedophilia, it might be kinder to keep them in prison, at least they won't be under constant strain by a public that doesn't care if they live or die.
Shout out to Jon Stewart tackling the dirty issues
The judicial system should be on trial.
The same goes for license suspensions. Once your time is done it should be done....except the driver's license suspension time does not start until the sentence is over in Pennsylvania. It is frustrating and plays no part in safer communities or roads.
well there's something you call consequence.
@@darugdawg2453 You miss the point. This would be like breaking a child’s finger for talking back to an adult. There should be a punishment, but it would be extremely unjust, create more emotional and physical problems, and really not HELP anyone, right? Your answer seems lazy and short-sighted without addressing the issues. Just a finger-pointer 🙄
As a German this all seems like common sense. John Stewart, you're a ray of hope. If the US wasn't the biggest bully in our world it wouldn't matter how brainwashed and unreasonable people there were for the rest of us. Thanks for speaking truth. I doubt it can get much worse.
As someone who worked in a group home for several years, a lot of these places have waitlists, and lot of the residents don't have families that can support them or frankly don't care. The de-institutionalization and privatization of the 80s and 90s pushed a lot of these folks onto the streets, and I'm sure we've all seen these types. I don't want One Flew Over Coocoo's Nest, but we need a national response to this crisis and feel like it's macabre to say it's people right to be homeless and off their meds.
It's true. Once an American does their time, they shouldn't have to keep being punished for it.
That last point is by far the biggest. Once people get out of prison, it's really hard for them to get gainful employment anywhere. This leads to people returning to crime as the only way to support their families. If anything prisons should work at training prisoners in trades and having them apprentice once they leave prison, so their time in prison is actually a positive.
What if no one wants to work with a guy who robbed someone at gun point? Can an employer decide that some guy who curbed stomped someone 5 years may not be the best fit for his business.
They made their bed…now they have to sleep in it.
@@ennieminee4470 Once you've paid your debt to society, it should be over and done with. Otherwise you're leaving them with very little recourse to survive but more crime.
@@johnwoodard8717 it is over and done with…this doesn’t mean that they’re guaranteed a job. Someone may not want to hire someone with a history of crime because it’s a potential red flag.
So because they can only work certain jobs they’re going to commit more crimes? Sounds like a horrible person with poor reasoning!
@@ennieminee4470 "What if no one wants to work with a guy who robbed someone at gun point?"
That would be the reason for the suggestion of setting up an apprenticeship once leaving prison, as in such a situation that the justice department is setting this up they're ensuring the employer is okay with it. Hell, the justice department could even provide incentives to be a part of such apprenticeship programs.
"it is over and done with…this doesn’t mean that they’re guaranteed a job."
Why not? Given that we live in a "work to live" society, that generally requires one needs a job to live so when you make it harder, if not virtually impossible, to get a job you take away their viable options to live a better, crime-free life. This is literally the primary cause of reoffending.
"So because they can only work certain jobs they’re going to commit more crimes?"
This isn't simply about only working certain jobs, it's about the general hardship of finding a job at all and that's on top of the difficulties that even the people who haven't been jailed for crime face in finding a job and general wage issues.
@@seandobbins2231 I’m not suggesting there be no programs or that it should be illegal to hire an ex-con…I’m saying that a employer should be able to look up potential employees background and decide if they’re willing to hire them.
I’d argue that they aren’t committing crimes because of their misfortune in employment but their mentality regarding being okay with victimizing others. I think this because the majority of poor people aren’t out committing crimes so why would the criminals poverty be a valid excuse.
"When Does My Sentence End"????? What a profound statement. I am a white woman who grew up on the streets of Waterbury CT. I got sucked into drug addiction and a life of crime that comes with it. I was arrested charfed and convicted to a 5 year sentence. And rightfully so!!! I served my time in a level 5 max security prison. I was a "model" inmate and a peer supporter within those walls. I ran peer support and addition education groups in there. I got a degree after very hard work and study. I really thought Wow, im doing it. Im going to make something of myself. Finally I've got a chance in life. I get out of prison and guess what...... NO ONE WILL HIRE ME!!!!! When does my Sentence end???? I am 10 years sober, now live in Maine, im a productive member of my community and the only job that will hire me is a restaurant as a dish washer. So the degree i busted my butt for while in prison is worthless. I was given false hope and false promises. A CO in prison is a "Correction Officer " to correct and rehabilitate...... that was not my experience. I was treated like a worthless dog. Yes, people should be held responsible for their actions. But to be punished yet not shown any way out. I cant seem to remember my mother punishing me for something without explaining what i did wrong and teaching me the correct way of doing things. Im sorry for the long rant but this fellow has an extremely important point. Rehabilitation not endless punishment is the way. Thank you for listening and have a blessed day
Allow them to attend colleges. Recidivism is dramatically lowered when formerly incarcerated inmates go to college.
I agree, but, at least in California, there is nothing keeping them from attending college but support and the belief they can be successful in school. I registered at a community college 2 weeks after my release because there was a program that did outreach to the facility that showed me I could, and I promised a woman I loved that I would while incarcerated. After an abusive childhood and parents that constantly demeaned me, telling me a would never amount to anything, it was extremally hard for me to believe I could do it, but I stuck with it because I wasn't going to let her down. Now, in spite of being diagnosed with learning disabilities and never having graduated from high school, I graduated in my 50s with three degrees and high honors from a community college, and one from UC Berkeley in legal studies with a minor in journalism, even while being homeless. But only because there where programs in place at those schools to support me and I had to keep my word to the woman I loved or end up back behind bars.
It's just hard to believe you can be successful in school after being beaten down and your self worth and dignity robbed of you your whole life, and that was the biggest struggle and needs to be addressed.
Do you know if that's a correlation or a causation? I would really love to see any data you have on that. Thanks :)
@@Odima16 Yes! Definitely. Please check out data from a program called Project Rebound in the California State University system. I've had the pleasure lf meeting participants and work on research papers pertaining to the program!
@Odima16 Hard to determine causation there because you can't ethically create a test to determine that, you can't toss 300 random people into jail and say 100 get no education, 100 get some, and 100 get a lot and then tempt them to commit more crime.
However the correlation is quite strong, recidivism amongst those who get Masters degree is nearly zero.
@@stvnkbrown MUCH praises to you! I am currently writing a research paper on the lack of tailored mental health services for formerly incarcerated students.
Norway rehabilitates their prisoners, provides education & training as well as provides clean, safe incarceration & wants them to be contributing, functioning citizens who can earn a living once they are released. Look it up. Norway is the model country for it’s prisons. Our country is so mid-evil when it comes to incarceration.
While mid-evil is a pretty apt description, I'm pretty sure you mean medieval. :)
Well if you remember Les Miserables, you remember that the whole thing started over the theft of a loaf of bread. Fact is this problem has been around for centuries, class Warfare and the like, so unless and until we start seeing each other as true peers, we're pretty effed up.
I was thrown in jail for 10 days before i got arraigned for a court date, it's been almost a year and i haven't gotten a trial, YET!!! I ask my public defender about a speedy trial and just kind of laughs.
The police would NEVER do this to people who they know can afford good lawyers. The police are criminalizing poor and mentally disabled people, because they don't know what else to do with broken people, we have no mental health hospitals or facilities for people who NEED HELP!!!! District attorney want to charge all these people who are breaking minor laws with as much as they can, so eventually they can stick you in the for profit prison system to fight fires for them!
That is unacceptable.
Get a different attorney ASAP
@@Stogie2112 i am disabled and have no money, i am depending upon a public defender. If you didn't know why so many people claim that our justice system is racist, is because it's a two tier system, poor people get the shaft, rich people with good lawyers get away.
@isaac anthony Right. The racism part comes-in because low-income areas are predominantly non-white
END THE ENTIRE DRUG WAR!!!!!
Yes. End it.😊
It will never be legal.
@@adammorra3813 What will never be legal?
It's has ended on Oregon.
@@hithere748 Wait, there are NO drugs that are illegal in Oregon? Obviously that's not true.
Preach!
When is my sentence done, and when can I move on to get that American dream?
If you want me to be a reformed citizen, let me get the chance to have a decent job.
They say the "system is to punish and reform."
Well, if it's to reform when the punishment is over, let me prove my reformation.
The problem of how we work with incarcerated people is difficult and universal. The number of people we incarcerate is unique. We've got to focus on that problem. It's easier to rehabilitate people and protect the public with better staff ratios.
More like got to focus on the culture or whatever they're calling it these days because it's just setting people up for disaster life isn't about cars chains gold teeth and girls or boys if you're swinging that way
That's because the whole system is based on revenge(and punishment), not rehabilitation(and betterment of society). And this is often true in most political circles.
People care way more about silencing and removing the problem from view, then addressing them head on.
"If you don't see the problem, then there is no problem. It doesn't concern me" mentality.
There is NO "rehibilitation" in prison. You are stored there for your term and released when you're done. They do NOTHING to try to make anyone productive members of society, that's WHY the re-incarceration rate is so high!
This whole panel was excellent. Jay Jordan, however, was incredible. He needs to run for office or something. Powerful voice and speaker with a real knack for truthful turns of phrase that I think can be real conversation changers.
My partner knows this all too well. We have to strategically choose places to rent and when the landlord bumped our rent by $750 a month last year we were forced to stay and overpay for our home because trying to get into another place that doesn't do background checks is time-consuming. She is very smart but relegated to gig work. She was asked to apply for a promotion with her current company and become a full-time employee but declined to apply because of background checks.
Like many others, she fell victim to the opioid epidemic in the early 2000s and made some bad choices while taking the drugs that were supposed to replace oxy which was her addiction. She beat her addiction and served her time and still has limitations on where she can work and live. How fkn hard should it be for these folks to just move on with their lives?
We have to stop having an incarceration system that it's main, and arguably only, purpose is TO PUNISH! We have this mentality that sentenced people "deserve" all bad things they get in life. Disgusting sick system.
It's main purpose isn't even to punish. It's just a straight up business at this point.
@@MannibalLector I disagree. Even though it's true that many companies like CoreCivic are making an insane amount of profit by giving a deplorable, mediocre, inhuman incarceration service to the community.... The real reason why we do not stop those companies it's because we see it as a society is ”they deserve that! if they wanted to avoid that treatment they should have been a good person in the first place" and that is disgusting.
@@YairYepez This is partially true but Pete's not wrong either. Many corporations are going WAY past what even the most vengeful citizen would want and it's difficult to dislodge those companies so even if people 'care', they might not care ENOUGH to fight the extremely hard fight to dislodge those companies.
I absolutely agree. The idea that we have to punish the criminals is so outdated and counterproductive. We should be wanting to help them, so that when they do come out, they will be better for it and have a chance to succeed in life outside of prison. It shouldn't be about vengeance.
@@MannibalLector Sadly that is also true. Punish and profits. Stupid system.
Whoa. Very well put.
Jon Stewart 👍💪👏
The land of the _free_ can be rage inducing.
Seriously! If you have a heart and a mind to care in this country about any of your fellow humans, our conditions can be rage inducing at times.
@@TT-di4qz "can?" "at times?" As someone outside the US, it's pretty rage-inducing all the time to see how many ways my relatives south of the border are potentially screwed over. My brother, wife and two kids live down there as well as whole host of cousins. Luckily for most of them, they're about the hue of snow so they dodge a lot of the worst problems but having messed up healthcare and insurance and a bunch of other things is reality for everyone. It cost my brother $10 000 to have a child with insurance coverage. It costs the (optional) cost of prenatal vitamins here in Canada. My American colleague who moved to Canada had a child at the same time and it was like $70 total due to the vitamins. Every doctor visit, ultrasound and delivery was $0 out of pocket.
love hearing these 2 guys talk
That’s what we need to hear. Help each other…actually care
It would be great if the Full segment was posted.
Dammit, Jon, we need more Jon!
The right to vote should not be denied to any citizen. Citizens who commit crimes - even convicted felons - are still U.S. citizens, and they should be able to vote just like the rest of us.
The U.S. Constitution does not state that a citizen's right to vote can be revoked - not even for treason. If our Federal Government doesn't revoke such a sacred right, then no State should do it, either.
It’s worse really…their vote is being stolen by whoever inappropriately gerrymandered the area the prison is.
phenomenal interview!
Good thoughts.
THAT WAS PROFOUND. THANKS
I'm so thankful you did this episode. I paid for Apple TV for several family members so they could watch the entire episode
I need this yesterday and I suppose a change in these cases that charges run life time 😢
Yes! Treated as human beings, but also looking at understanding the systemic issues, not just what got an individual into the system. Also, set the inmate up for success when they get out. That takes training, time, understanding, support (is the most important thing), understanding that 1-3 Americans have a record, and knowing that our sentence never ends. I have a credit score over 800, held that for going on 10 years now, I've been out of prison for 14 years. I can buy anything I want, but I can't get any job I want, and my record is still brought up even though my fall from "grace" was over 25 years ago (3/1997). I have barrowed hundreds of thousands of dollars and repaid without missing a payment, so my credit is excellent. I did my 12 years off o my 14 year sentence and completed parole and have been back in prisons help educated and set inmates up for success upon their release, but my "human credit score" is still a 500.
Thanks again Jon for being an advocate!
Excellent 👍👍👍👍👍
This is why we need Universal Basic Income!
I like the idea of "what do you need", but that is costly. Who is paying for the hand outs or the hand-ups. Because there will always be a good number of people to keep asking for help knowing full well they have no intention of changing.... because it is free.
Wow true all of it !!!
Thank you for shining a light on this. I admit I'm ignorant about a lot of the ramifications that incarceration has but I do know it is just layers of dehumanizing exploitation and fucked up beyond measure. I appreciate the insight from people who live it and wholeheartedly agree about the response to crisis is wrong in this country. Most always, people commit crimes because they lack the resources or ability to get their needs met legally. There is a small subsection of entitled, narcissistic a-holes who will crime no matter what but most people just want the liberty to live with relative.comfort free from persecution and interference and would much prefer to pay rent than piss on the street or buy their stuff instead of stealing it because it's easier, it's more reliable and there aren't unwanted repercussions for.doing so. If they don't have the means to do that, they revert to crime. And not having the means in this day and age is mostly due to systemic failures,not personal ones. It's wholly unfair to place the burden of systemic failures on the backs of the poor and majority black and brown people but that is precisely how are prison system seems to be set up.
Get rid of for profit prisons would be a good start. Then tackle the problem of who you lock up and why.
Amen.... Amen ...... AMEN!!!!!!
I got bad news for you: as soon as you are arrested, your mug shot and arrest details are posted on the jail’s website.
Then multiple 3rd parties collect that data and store it indefinitely on their own servers.
Even if you were to remove criminal records from being publicly accessible after time served, the records will still be available from multiple third parties.
They're called 'Google'.
@@siriusgd4753 not Google. Even Google is not THAT evil.
Google will only return data that is hosted by others. They don’t keep databases of criminal offenses so they can sell the info to third parties for background checks.
We can do what Europe has done with it's "right to be forgotten law". The General Data Protection Regulation specifies rights that people have over their own data. Even U.S. companies need to be aware and trained on this if they do business in the EU. A similar law could be passed in the U.S.
@@mattlilly3503 This is true, however that is not our current trajectory.
The EU is far ahead on consumer protections… and the U.S. is more concerned about TikTok than the multitude of domestic tech firms who are collecting all of our data already.
In our town, there is a website that publishes mug shots and arrest records as they are generated. But kindly, they offer to take them down if you pay them.
Exactly
Most people automatically assume that someone incarcerated, or with a criminal record, are bad people. We definitely need to completely reform our 'justice' system. From the crimes, to the arrests, and subsequent actions after.
Some crimes should be eliminated altogether. Most others should have reduced sentences. Murder, rape and other such offenses are the only crimes where I feel a more severe punishment may be needed. But only if there is actual, physical evidence. Eye witness testimony is not enough. I would rather see a murderer go free than an innocent person be incarcerated.
Also the amount of money a person has should have no impact on their chances of being sentenced. Nobody should have to be in jail awaiting trial for anything other than rape or murder. And anyone who has been in jail for those charges, who is found innocent, should be compensated, the public should be told about their innocence, and the arrest should be completely wiped from their record
Honestly, outside of certain circumstances like security clearances, background checks should be illegal. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but if I served my time, completed my probation, paid my court fees, etc, it should be none of your fucking business what I did in the past. I paid my debt to society, that should be the end of it.
This, maybe a slight adendum to sex crimes and a system to alert employers of repeated thefts from a workplace but thats it. Companies should not be given the power to require background checks your totally right.
Many crimes in many states are legislated to be inexpungeable. Hence, a permanent record.
I mean that wouldn't be such a terrible thing if it was something the police knew for investigation reasons. But it's really not important for businesses to know about most of it. Nonviolent offenders who served short sentences should really be wiped from the public record within a matter of years at the most. More violent criminals are obviously going to be tracked longer to make sure recidivism isn't a thing and some criminals would never fully be wiped from public record (murder, serious sex offenders, etc) as their danger to public safety would (almost) never be low enough to warrant forgetting about them.
But millions of people fall into the first category of nonviolent offenders who served short (
From @1:04 and on was deep.
only in America is the first step to fixing an issue, recognizing the humanity in others..
shameful
It's more of a culture-based issue, if you look at inner city issues they spread into the suburbs very quickly based on there is no support in the inner city for the problems that are going on by the community that maybe in large part responsible
America definitely has a huge problem recognizing humanity (especially over corporations), but that's definitely not uniquely American. If you look at Israel towards Palestinians or China towards Uyghurs humans can often be led to disregard the humanity of others.
only in America? travel the world some, you'll sound less ridiculous. oh and by the way, it all start with the criminals not recognizing the humanity in others, or they wouldn't victimize them in the first place.
One of the underlying problems of our criminal justice system is that it's largely based on the British legal system, with its entrenched class assumptions.
Pretty sure you'd find the UK legal system more forgiving than the US system. Not the best in the world probably but an improvement over the US. The US has taken a 300-year-old racist system and not upgraded or updated it for quite a while other than a few minor changes. And, in many ways, they've made it worse. Keep in mind black British citizens had rights inside the Commonwealth. Sure, not as well off as being white at that time but it was a heck of a lot better than being a slave in the South.
We need change.
Honestly it’s not just sunset laws it’s redlining and collateral consequences
Poverty fuels crime. Dramatically reducing poverty would dramatically reduce crime ... yet no politician acts.
Once you pay your debt to society, clear the slate! In essense what I heard was "once a criminal, always a criminal"...AND...a second class citizen who can be stripped of voting rights and employment chances. With THOUSANDS of laws on the books that allow an officer to pick several in any situation, this, in tandem with conviction of a crime permanently changing your life for the worse, gives law enforcement WAY too much power!
They don’t need a law to pick you up
Look to Norway, Finland, ... for
examples of Best Practices and
Results.
Just get rid of the system
Hope Jon can talk about the TikTok congress hearing!
3 Blind mice & a bunch of morally deaf politicians!
Ticktock goes the clock
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nice. I know a guy who screwed up in high school and 21 years later, his record still haunts him and he's married with 2 kids...internationally! but he cant apply for duel citizenship due to his record years ago. so he is only with his family (mexico) for 6 months as a tourist, then works 6 months back in the USA. thats pretty difficult to do in on itself, but he does it for years.
Abolish private prisons. Then let's invest in our country so that the only people committing crimes are those who choose to do so, not those who, through circumstance, have to do so. Also, decriminalize drugs and sex work.
there are some drugs like heroin and fentanyl that should remain illegal! but marijuna should be legal
1:31 I agree almost completely. The slight difference is that I'd give him tp first.
OK...but what are solutions that we will actual DO...everyone knows we need to elect better representatives...but since we aren't going to do that...what can we actually do?
Yessssssssssssssssssss
Bro I went to Cleveland jails and I was sleeping standing up you could literally see bed bugs crawling on the floor and 3 people to a 2 man cell smfh
I felt like an animal being carted into court in handcuffs for possession of marijuana. If you've never done anything threatening why treat people like they're a threat? I think all their proposals were inciteful, revolutionary, and a goodl direction to take the criminal justice system.
“The work we do is about safety.” - Jay The crux of this discussion. Usually owned by Republicans.
Why are the clips such extremely low volume always?
Not checking the comments... did anyone CLOCK the watch look at 00:25 ?
This must be coupled with a change in your social system, otherwise the root cause of people becoming criminals in the first place will never be resolved. Then this is only a change in the treatment of the symptoms, not a change in the causes.
Larry Krasner!
I can't wait to see this full episode, because this clip is NOT doing this conversation any justice (no pun intended). I know this show is tasked with maintaining a "centerist" viewpoint in order to exist, but the PRIMARY problem with the "Criminal Justice System" in the U.S is monetization. So for starters the demonetization of the prison system would be a massive step toward reform from an overall systemic point. The brother did make a HUGE point about humanizing incarcerated people, which seems simple, but has larger implications and may also actually be the hardest portion of reform. That is because media has been dehumanizing criminals and the incarcerated since its inception and directly and indirectly making billions of dollars in the process. Globally.
I need this assistance ASAP lve been out of confinement over 13yrs,lwas denied a decent home because of my past.lm single independent lneed help.😢
In Short, America has a punishment fetish, we get off on "bad people suffering" and so we have an entire system that promotes punishment instead of rehabilitation.
Land of the free*
*some exceptions may apply
It's a matter of priorities. Imagine incarcerating your children because they did something wrong and I don't mean a time out in a corner or go to your room, I mean incarcerating them in a prison setting for their misbehavior. This is what our justice system does. It uses a hammer for all situations. The outcomes cannot be good.
" It uses a hammer " How do you know? The crimes these guys committed are not mentioned.
@@ernestmoney7800 How do you NOT know?🙄🤦♂️🤦♂️🤡🤷♂️💩
This is just another way we need to follow the Northern European model if we want to be a modern country and not a backwards human cesspit. Prisons here in Netherlands look like nice apartments. The aim is rehabilitation. We are the most crowded country in the EU, and yet our crime rate is low. Sure, we still have murders and rapes and other felonies. But we don't have prisons full of men we treat like animals.
A continuum of care is a beautiful phrase
When and If the companies that profited from prison industrial complex post-civil war are held accountable.
When you put to the stand the individuals that partnered up with American Legislative Exchange Council (A.L.E.C.), that lobbied to pass bills that created these unjust laws.
When someone like Bill Clinton is imprisoned for life, for passing the 3 strikes law and being the founder of militarizing the police in the U.S. specifically to target minorities.
Then you shall begin to heal this wound.
I don't want to hire someone and be denied knowledge of the fact that they were convicted of Robbery, Assault, Arson, Murder...
Even if that conviction was 10-20 years ago, when the person was young and stupid and who has since changed his ways?
@@Stogie2112 Absolutely. Forgive, but don't forget.
saying we need to elect better candidates is the most elementary take on politics ive ever heard. candidates dont get the exposure they need to get elected if they dont have enough money, so is it the candidates that are bad? or is it the system they are running for office in?
There is no constructive effort to solve why issues occur, or on developing working methods to prevent their reoccurrence. Punishments for transgressions should focus on re-aligning individuals with the appropriate behaviors, not attempts to bury them for life. It’s easy to think of a felon as someone that murdered, raped, or stole. However, the reality is that in the current age, there are a staggering number of ways people can qualify for one. It weakens society.
Death is a one-way trip that only Jesus can end.
Don't forget the mentally incompetent who are " housed" in the penal system......it wasn't committing crines that git them incarcerated in the first place. I have a don, now deceased, who was abused by this system until he could no longer live with it
Cool. I knew I was a joke all alonge
Then you have Georgia prison...a for profit system... they will keep you in the system as long as they can.
people go to jail for smoking marijuna! crazy
It's also the clearest sign that the system is entirely bullshit and just a means to fuck over the lower classes and minorities.
SHEESH
😮😮😮😮 a 100 000 000 people with a criminal record 😳😳😳
+a thought+
The most absurd form I have ever filled out in my life was applying for student visa to USA , note in 1993!,
I’ll never forget the self restraint I needed to to complete it without a massive amount of sarcasm, arrogance and of course disbelief, a well honed recipe for a first class Smart Ass. ! (And I have dealt with customs to the USSR , renting in Milan and …well existence in Jamaica)😮. …. (All Notoriously difficult in all things bureaucracy)
My breaking point was : and I quote:
Have you ever, or are you currently planing to partake in any terrorist organization and or activity?
The options for answering where: yes, no, not applicable
WHO IN HELL SAYS YES ????
Maybe if the government think’s almost half the nation is criminals…..this line of questioning is a derivative???
It clearly I have truly no understanding of this issue
…. Born and bred on a iceberg in the Atlantic, a nation so small we would barely fill a Super Bowl stadium and the incredible,privilege of a very safe, and nearly 0 gun violence at all. (Maximum sentence in Iceland for anything. Is 16 years and minimum wage is universal….no exceptions, convict, disabled and so on .>>..
I dreamt of returning to the US, to live, and to do my masters degree in in of my absolute favorite and most beautiful city in the world… San Francisco! a very bad accident put my life on a a different trajectory but in the last few years I have thanked any higher power available for a chat that i never followed through on that plan.
Here’s hoping a new,incoming generation,will be ablon’
America, "land of the free" where 1% of the population is in jail or prison and 100 millions have a record.
Recommended YT clip, "Inmates Defeat Harvard in Debates".
Incentives and outcomes. What politician gets elected on the “treat incarcerated people better” or “ more resources for rehabilitation” Unless it’s tied to an politically viable plan, it a non starter. For example. There is a lo or shortage in the us. Let’s remove restrictions on felons to get jobs. That’s viable.
People are elected while running on just such reforms. So what else ya got?
@@ShainAndrews who?
what is the distinction between justice and vengeance? justice is hard to define, but for me, broadly, it means restoring order to bring peace. vengeance, almost too easy to define, is about inflicting harm to get even. we tend to favor vengeance -- think of 9/11 -- bc it can be cathartic, as in the courtroom story about the grieving father who pulls out a gun and fires at the accused murderer of his child. and we also wonder what's wrong with a person seriously harmed by another who expresses heartfelt forgiveness. it's not just that we don't understand, it's that we really don't even want to. our prisons are a mess in part bc they're a product not only of american racism, but also of how we all think about justice, penitence and forgiveness.
I wonder how many of these channel subs are subs of apple tv+? I wanna say less than 1/10
How can we make sure that past criminal behaviors won’t repeat when come to situation like employment, domestic violence, neighborhood safety etc??? As we all know, long term behaviors don’t just break over night?
We? You speak for nobody.
@@ShainAndrews Did I hit your nerve that was why you choose to pick on me? how do you know I don't speak for anybody? you probably didn't and can't with your white entitlement...go to hell..
@@Greenbambu78 We don't know. But that seems like it should be incentive to improve the treatment people in prison receive rather more so than a reason to harass a person who has already payed the debt they owed.