Huge Tips on How to Remove A Clearcoat Run / Paint Run
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Hi Guys, in this video we will be taking a look at how to remove a clearcoat / paint run from car bodywork
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Thanks, Tony. I'm new to this and just created a few runs for myself :( when applying my clear coat and I now need to remove them. The key comment that encouraged me was "you think you've got a run = the job's knackered". I have 2 or 3 coats on my panel so I'm pleased to hear that I wont have to re-do the whole area. Thanks for explaining it so clearly. Your commentary is spot on
Thanks for all your content, Tony. I've only found your channel recently and I'm learning so much. 👍
Another fantastic tutorial Tony, really useful to have the list of items as well as the technique. Thanks again for helping me rescue jobs
Any time!
Tony, i cant thank you enough for this video, im currently respraying my project car and i got a run in the clear coat on the bumper, and as you do i thought the whole thing was ruined. This video has helped me sort it out and now it looks like it wasn't even there!!
That’s awesome man so glad it’s helped you and your project buddy
Great video.
Ive always gone for the filler trick but ill be trying this next time. Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Tony, absolutely brilliant. Watching this video saved me a lot of work, I would have done ALL the no no's.
lol no problem mate
As usual, very good tutorial. So looking forward to start my renovation of a 450SLC 1975. In the process of buying allt he stuff and ripping the car apart. It´s going to be a crazy ride hahaha.
Awesome vid man been slowly making my way threw all your vids so much great info
Great video Tony, really enjoy the tips and content!
Thanks William
Thank you for the great video. I'm doing my 1st paint job on a car and I'm Taking in all of the information I can get, yours seems to be the best, I'll let you know how it goes.
Another fine job as always mate I've done a few in my time when I used to teach apprentices I've not been on your channel for a while been ill but recovering slowly mate
Ah no buddy I hope your getting better mate ❤️
Thanks for waking me off a cliff I just sprayed my first motorcycle paint job and got a few runs in the clear little more work but saveable thanks again!!
Excellent explanation.
Well done keep up the good work Tony.
Thanks bill 😃
Great vid Tony,
Helps people alot.
You know better than me as it’s your full time job.
I do a few custom spray jobs on motorcycles every so often.
I like to use Mirka Abralon discs wet with a small amount of detergent added for cut.
Using Farecla G3 then G10 then Glaze.
This mix has saved me from the brink of
no return to a show finish.
Just a bit of input to show there is more than one way to achieve your goal, which is a happy customer & feeling good about your finishing.👍
Couldn’t agree more mate guys like myself are good at polishing and sorting defects as when we started out we weren’t painting like we are now as you paint better the polishing becomes less but you can always polish a job to save it
Thanks Tony. I like the tungsten carbide tool. FYI those look like the same tool that is used for scraping in metalworking. Those can be resharpened at any machine shop that has a diamond hone grinding stone. It takes less than 5 minutes to re-grind a new edge. Just a thought that may save you a few quid. Cheers from Florida's Space Coast.
Thanks for the explanation. I don't have an rotary polisher / buffing pad. Will I be able to get a reasonable final finish by hand cutting with T-cut and microfibre cloth?
Absolutely spot on, as im not an experienced spray guy i inevitably had a few runs. This method brought the finished job incredibly well.
Your welcome mate thanks for watching
Can a run be recovered in pearlesant and flat colour basecoats without having to respray.
Thanks OP this info is exactly what I needed... just repainted the hood of my 2002 Camry - finally after weeks of botched finish, sanding and more ditto, buying far too much stuff, FINALLY I think I'd had the method perfected to make this car look as good as I want. Got halfway through and using ratle can clear coat there were drips - no I hope I can perfect the paint on that hood!
BTW I tried 4 kinds of rattle can clear coat yes FOUR - not one of them gave satisfactory results, except one "ERA Paints 2K High Gloss Automotive Clear Coat"! During the course of this project I used dupli-color, Eastwood 2K High Gloss Clear, All the other rattle can clear coats I tried left ugly dry spots, just couldn't spray it or sand after to make it look right...this brand gives great results every time.
Great upload as always, I like the brew break bit lol a man after my own heart. Have a great wk end dude 👌🤟👍
Lol has to be done mate haha and you too mate
Tony. Great video. Thanks for the expert advice.
nice video good man, thanks. I really messed up a clear coat run time tome ago. after that I used a blade out of one of my small wood hand plane and it worked a treat, I guess its ½ way between the blade and the tungsten blade. My blades are very sharp. Thanks again man for this. lots of gems, as always.
Your welcome mate always try to post things that will help people
Well explained Tony I like these small videos keep up the good work and thank you
Your welcome mate
Awesome video Tony and thanks 🙏 for the tip clear coat runs is something we can’t run away from haha 😂 the good thing is how you correct it lol 😂 much love Tony enjoy your evening stay safe and healthy 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙👍👍👍👍💪💪💪💪💪🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Thanks buddy hope you are well mate and thanks for joining us again
great video tony and great tips for people 👍👍👍👍
Thanks buddy , how you feeling now mate hope your recovering ok dude
How long do you let painted panel cure up before getting a run out?
Absolutely love these tips n tricks. 👏👏
Thanks Barry
You're a life saver!... many thanks for your video.
Thank you. Suggestions for runs on small pieces like grill vents etc?
I just created my first fun on my first project. Luckily it was the third coat of clear. The run you repaired, was it green or fully cured? My run is about an hour old and I'm not sure how long to wait before removing it.
Thank you, did my first clear coat yesterday on a mini countryman bonnet and bumper. And despite lots of prep and practice including 2k, primers, base etc managed to get my first run !!!! My fault, I mixed up a bit too much clear so just thought I'd use it up! Still adds to the learning.
These bids are brilliant, big fan , and thank you
Meant to say these vids but autocorrect....
Your very welcome mate and always glad to know they’re helping guys like yourself
Fantastic Tony, well explained video, thanks for sharing your knowledge bud👍🏻
No problem at all mate hope it helps someone out abit
@@TonysRefinishingTV will certainly help me 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi mate, two quick question. Do you have todo this after the clear has cured for a while or whilst it's still sorft ish ? And can I use a normal rotary instead of a orbital polisher? The reason I ask is I spray a roof yesterday and it looks like a bloody iced cake at this point. Also if I get a run in my base can I just sand down to 500 and re base and clear, or do I have to prime the entire panel again?
Super video Tony ! I like to see a basecoat run fix next?
I can shoot one mate yes il sort that
Brilliant, very clear and easy to follow. Subscribed 😁
Welcome to the community 🙏
@@TonysRefinishingTV many tganks
Great video Tony and it seemed like you had a good turn out last night for the live chat. I use a razor blade for cutting back the runs but haven't taped the ends up so will give that a try 👍
I used to use a razor blade when I worked at a mouldings company, I used to do all the injection and vacuum mouldings for Hospital MRI scanners and used to repair my own moulds with tooling gel and used a razor blade to scrape down the highs just the same as runs but tooling gel is very very hard and would soon blunt a razor 😁 anyway mate take it steady and hear you soon 🙏👍
That’s cool John how you used to do that with moulds mate but also makes a lot of sense too , have a great weekend fella
Much appreciated that’s ver6 helpful
Hey Tony, nice video mate. I've just put 2 coats off Spies Hecker Permacron 8025 clear with Permasolid VHS 3225 medium hardener on my Torana. Got two small runs. How long should I leave it before it's hard enough to run a tungsten block over and sand? It was sprayed in a home booth with no heating (about 25°C when sprayed) but falls to about 10°C overnight, so slow drying. Don't want to go to early and uncover soft clear underneath. Cheers Andy
Very helpful. Thank you 🙏
Nicely Done!
Thats a great tip Tony cheers 👍
Your welcome buddy
My shop recently switched from 3m to SIA abrasives as well, so far I have no complaints
Nice mate good to know
Awesome informative video, thanks!
Your welcome thanks for watching
Enjoyed made it look easy mate
Thanks buddy and it’s just years of practice again that’s all
Thank you! Novice painter using a gun for the first time and i got a pretty bad run on one of my panels. Was panicking and almost wanted to dab the area
Is there a consensus on best time to take sags, wet sand? Soon after clears dry, or let it cure for a while?
Where can you order the metal run file (block) from ? Looks a handy wee tool for wee snorters
Nice job, subscribed.
Thank you ...great video
Tony . Love the channel. I paint for a living in the states .
That’s awesome buddy and welcome great to have international viewers with us
Thanks so much for sharing this. So well explained and great video quality. Just a woman over here who knows nothing about car repairs and thought I'd give it a go. Repainted my bumper but have had a small run in the top clear coat. I now feel less anxiety after watching this 😂 the only problem is I dabbed a small amount off trying to remove it and it's turned white. Do I still follow your process? Or have a ruined the paint underneath?
-Michelle
hey Michelle im not sure but give it a try to remove the run first and you may be lucky if not youve gained the knowledge of removing a run but will need to repaint , let me know how it goes
Do they do curved Stanley knife blades or tungsten blocks. I have convex shaped panels. Nightmare for trying to flatten. Sanding lines from a soft block show when you base over the primer. They are just visible with the clear coat over it. Only if you look from a particular angle. I’m thinking to get a angle grinding disc for cutting stone and tape most of it off. Hold it at the right angle so it sits nicely following the concave. What do you think? Thanks.
Bingo! Think I just found the perfect thing. Rotary cutting discs. Basically a circular Stanley knife blade. Japanese steel.
YUP totally with you on the SIA paper that stuff is way better than 3m. Mirka or many other brands. It last longer for sure.
It sure does abs it’s a lot cheaper here too about half the cost of trizact
Nice vid Tony 👍
Thanks Andy
great vid man
Thankyou
good work Tony
Thanks buddy
Awesome job, when you started with the blade I was like "ruined, put it in the bin"
Lol thanks man
What was the make of the 3000 discs , I agree the price of the 3M ones make your eyes water.💪
Awesome mate.thanks
Your welcome mate
Good video Thanks for the great info.
Can you please tell me how long you have to wait until you can start trying to remove the drips?
if air drying a day or two, if baking a day after if infra red drying then lamp for 45 mins let cool and then you can
longer it dries the better
Great job 👍👏👏
Thanks mark
Good information sir. and I would like to share to my friends
Thankyou
great video tony, does this same technique work on 2k direct gloss or would i need to approach it in a different way?
Yes it will
@@TonysRefinishingTV thanks for the reply it's very much apprechated
Thanks alot for this video
no problem
Thank you
When I first started I piled a second coat on but the the panel was only half colour I took the clear edge to edge as it was a van let me tell you I got a run in the clear right at the end where it was clear only I left it as 1 coat and was surprised how much I found work with 1 coat safe ro say I got it back
good job ....like always
Thank you so much 😀
good job 👍
Thanks
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
You can redress your carbide block with a diamond file or diamond hone .
I have a home made carbide nib block made from a piece of carbide blade.
Hey Tony how long after can you usually do this.
I painted some wings a few days ago and need to de nib , I’m using multi mix HS clear still soft as I can put my finger nail in it , or do I need to wait a few weeks until it’s really hard
which hardener you using should be hard next day tops mate ive had no issues with that stuff drying at all
@@TonysRefinishingTV I’m using the HS version with fast hardner mate , even with the heat we had Monday and Tuesday it’s still not rock hard.
I done the first light coat and second normal coat , though I’m doing this in a gazebo I thought it would be really hard by now
It should have more than gone off by now tbh mate something must be off somewhere
Interesting Tony. Here in America we do it somewhat differently but the end result is the same. What I personally do is use a scraper burnishing tool to form a burr on the razor blade. (Kevin Tetz's Paintucation videos shows this trick in one of his videos and it works great. After forming the burr you then bend the razor blade into a slight crescent shape which lifts the edges of the blade away from the work. Even so I too still tape the last quarter of an inch on each side of the blade. I call the tape "training wheels" when I show this to new guys. The burr really scrapes off the run much faster. Think cabinet scraper.
A lot of people use the putty method which I also like as the putty serves the purpose of a guide coat and I sand this down with a 3" DA using 3M 260L finishing film starting at P600 and finishing at P1500 or Starcke 747 (good stuff and film based as well). I tend to avoid wet sanding if at all possible. That stated the best wet sanding paper that I've found is the Starcke Matador (which goes all the way down to 7000 grit - now what you would use that for escapes me but they do make it).
I completely agree with the SIA foam pads and I like the SIA more than the similar Mirka Abralon since the SIA is aluminum oxide abrasive and the Mirka Silicon Carbide which doesn't last as long. The Trizact is great but it's not worth the price.
Another interesting difference is that in America we start with wool pads on a rotary for compounding whereas you Europeans prefer foam for some reason. I like Lake Country's Foamed Wool with Menzerna 400 and then switch to orange foam on a FLEX forced rotation polisher for Menzerna 3500. I use a forced rotation polisher (FLEX) rather than a straight rotary as it completely eliminates any swirls. It's fun to see how other people do things.
Thanks buddy I’d love to have the decent wool pads over here but there like rocking horse s””t to find proper food wool pads here lol
@@TonysRefinishingTV You should be able to get them from Rupes. I prefer Lake Country but in Europe I thought that Rupes was the king.
I use the rupes foam pads there real nice il take a look for there wool ones though thanks
The other day I tried the 1k stopper trick and it worked a treat
Not something I’ve tried myself but may do one day lol
@@TonysRefinishingTV p1500 /p2000/p3000 wet amazing.
I’m spraying a bicycle frame.if I sand the clear coat when it’s dry could I then apply more clear coat?
Yes mate
Hi. Can you use this procedure also on paint (not on primer, not on clearcoat?)?
It will only work on a hard cured paint but would work on a hard cured paint of any type
Nice video, Would you recommend using a DA sander to fix a wavy clear coat or doing it by hand?
In what way do you mean ?
@@TonysRefinishingTV Effectiveness
I meant more define wavy mate tbh
It looks like a water wave brother
The issue is with a lot of runs is it'll make the panel look wavy and when you get a run in a real small spot like around the crack of a door like the round the roundness of the inside of a door or where molding goes you can you can try to get it out but sometimes it's depending on the clear in the founder ability of the clear you might be able to get it out without burning through but there's a lot of time involved and trying to get the run out the way that I look at it as a rosary do I got a panel right now that has quite a few runs and I'm an experienced painter I shot three panel just the other day with all the same product didn't get runs on one of the product I don't got a slight one on the other and then got quite a few on the last one which I was tired and fatigued so that being said that's probably why I got the runs but I use the same method over and over and I try to keep the same viscosity when I'm mixing clear because when it's too thick it takes a while to low 9 and when it stood in it will run on your really fastso now I got to spend more time or money and more material to fix these couple blemishes but it'll be perfect after I'm done the way I look at it as a run as a redo pretty-much
Thanks for the vid bro we all get them from time to time well done for explaining how to remove without a full respray👍👍👍
Hey buddy and no problem mate it’s these little things the newer guys will find very helpfull I think
@@TonysRefinishingTV so true bud keep it up loving the content 👍👍👍👍
brilliant
thanks man
Thank you, my British friend
for those playing along at home, u can also use sth like, old skool 1k "top stop" type putty to skim around the run, so u can take back majority of a run without any fear of fking up the surrounding area, at the least, itll help build confidence...its also useful as u can remove the putty pretty easily if needed from the surrounding glossy area...but once u get this method, then step up to a shark fin, runs only mean 1 thing...u arent trying hard enough to get the finish ;)
personaly, ive had plenty of runs, any painter who said otherwise is lying....but this is how i found to get the confidence and experience to do what tony is doing....ive gone as hard as 320 on 60minute cured clear and pulled it off before
That’s it man we all get them lol , personally not a fan of the stopper method but know a few who like doing it that way
@@TonysRefinishingTV Tony the advantage of the stopper method (you Brits, why would you call polyester glazing putty stopper - what the hell does it stop?) is that you can use a small DA (I have DA's in 3", 2" and 1 1/4") to very quickly remove the run using relatively coarse paper (like P220) to start. When you can see through the putty you switch up to finer grits until all of the putty is removed. When the putty's gone so too is the run. But that isn't the biggest advantage of this method. When you have a run the area immediately above the run is thinner than the average thickness of the clearcoat. It's possible to completely remove the run and have a depressed area immediately above where the run began. The putty method accounts for this.
@@TonysRefinishingTV with more modernly available methods, and some years of experience, me neither mate. i found it a great learning tool, and a nice "comfort blanket", while learning what i could and couldnt get away with with different materials. thought id share that same old second hand blanket out for the nippers, so they can row that manly pair, by learning to have confidence. only ever seen bad painters that are unconfident :D
Yeah man I might have to do a little video on the filer trick for the novice guys
@@TonysRefinishingTV ❤️
great
That's magic
This couldn't come at a better time, I've just sprayed the front end of a Fiesta project I'm working on and got a couple of runs on one of the wings..
Haha great timing for you then mate hope this helps a little man
Awesome🤤 🔥☺
Thanks 🙏
Ever tried a black sharpie marker over the run and block it out with a paint stick?
I haven’t mate tbh but that’s an interesting trick might try that
Have you used the kapci cutting compound?
Just testing them atm mate tbh
@@TonysRefinishingTV nice one mate, I seen it on the sp supplies website! It's very affordable
Can use a fine skim of goldstop gold..over the run..protecting the paint each side of the run..
Yes I mentioned this method in the video
Can’t beat the old body file with the edges ground down. Must be an old school trick that many don’t know of. 😜
Lol they still kinda do it mirka has a paint body file for runs but harsh for me one of them tbh
@@TonysRefinishingTV remember when I moved bodyshops and a lad got a run and I said av got a file to get that out. Must have thought I was winding him up. Showed him it his face dropped. Until he seen it in action. They all had them after that 🤣
Lol always the way mate a lot of people are scared of things we do till you show them how it works lol
@@TonysRefinishingTV left the trade about 12 years ago now. What’s it these days with lads having about 40 spray guns haha. I had one for primer. One for clear and one for solid colour and a one for base.
I can’t comment on that man I’ve got more than I can count tbh but that comes with RUclips lol if I didn’t do the video work then I’d probably have the same as you say above mate lol
great video very helpful
👍👍👍
Hi Tony what clear is that buddy
I use the kapci 6030 on training days mate atm
Removing runs is a nightmare so i try my upmost not to get them , but unfortunately it happens and i use the filler method it works on some jobs . I hate removing runs it never looks right . I've got a Piaggario 3 wheeler coming for a full lick soon should be interesting .
Lol sounds like a fun job that mate and yeah runs are never fun
Well done
Thankyou
@@TonysRefinishingTV you are very welcome
@@TonysRefinishingTV You are very welcome . Never knew about the tungsten blades pretty cool.
Yeah they work really well mate
what caused the run
wet run ..is still wet under its paint ??????
My clear coat cracked. It didn't seem affect the base coat so I think it was because I didn't allow enough time between coats. I'm going to rub back the cracked coat and give it some fresh and see what happens.
Your clear cracked ? With 2k clear
How do i get runs off a tub? That has been refinished
tub?
@@TonysRefinishingTV yes
@@TonysRefinishingTV bathtub
What tub what do you mean by tub ?
I have the added step of swearing off painting ever again prior to fixing the run, thankfully it doesn't happen too often:)
Haha we all do that mate
@@TonysRefinishingTV On a serious note I do genuinely appreciate your content, there are definitely times I have been frustrated in this line of work and watching content of someone else going through the same grind is awesome:)
Thanks buddy and the mad thing is your the second person to say that to me in two days , and it’s great to know the videos help inspire and keep people going
My old boss wouldn't even let us color sand and buff. More than 5-ish nibbs in a panel got re- cleared.
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