The point being she didn't settle. I prefer the dependancy approach; take the job and do it real well for about 2 months, then quit with no notice. When you they hit you back, reiterate your worth but because their gap in judgment it'll cost even more.
Oh they understand, but they make more money by forcing the current employees to take on the extra load without any additional pay/bonus, or extra time off.
@@millersam07I had a close friend filling 2 to 3 person's jobs and ruining his life in a company that kept delaying a hire. I told him to stop doing that because he was fixing the problem for them. I came up with this little quote I would say to him everytime the topic came up: "They will not fix a problem that they don't have." so if you find yourself in this situation then stop fixing the problem for them at the expense of yourself and your life.
Recently I was offered a job and the salary they stated was kinda low, so I asked if it was negotiable. They said no, and I said, "well that's a significant pay cut from what I'm currently making so I'm going to have to decline." And the person called me rude for "wasting their time with the interviews". I thought it was rude to offer someone with 10 years of experience entry level pay.
@@khalidhassan9423 Honestly yeah. Pretty glad they didn't negotiate if that's how they react to people making pretty normal asks. They're a huge government contractor, so probably low bid operators.
Also they absolutely could've prevented this "waste of time" if they were willing to state the pay they were offering before they get you through the whole process. That's completely on them and being rude to someone else for a situation you created hoping to exploit someone is unhinged.
@@mordecaiissad8529 They don't like putting in what the pay is, OHHH they hate doing that with a sheer passion! And THEN you find out at the final interview how much the pay is and it's for crap money or half of what you currently take home after taxes each paycheck!
My wife is bilingual. At her last job she tried to negotiate for higher pay due to her second language. She was told that it wasn't needed for the position, so no increase. One of her coworkers had a client who only spoke that language. Her boss suggested that my wife could translate for her. She refused. She told them that they had the opportunity to purchase her language skills and opted not to, so she was English only in the office.
@@fins9584 Hello. Yes, it's unfortunate but companies do try to find value add wherever they can. For instance, even if a second language isn't deemed 'necessary' for the role, it's a great perk that makes for a value add to someone. A company might benefit greatly from someone who's looking to make money in a position, and brings something extra to the table. In essence you could have a bilingual employee who refuses to use their 2nd language to help in a situation where it can be helpful. You could also have someone who applies who is bilingual and willing to help even if it's not necessarily something expected on a regular basis. In that case, the company is better off employing someone who is going to bring that value add to the position. Even if that person were to say: "If you require someone who can speak this language, that could give me a leg up over other people looking for the same job, because I'm willing to do that. For the pay of the role, you get someone who happens to be able to speak this language too, should you need it." etc
Oh it's the same everywhere. I'm French and I've been "acting my wage" for two decades, long before Americans realized they were getting shafted as a matter of principle.
@@TheNefastorThere's been leftists in America who knew we were being shafted all along. Just that socially and politically, the left has been highly demonized.
As someone that had classes multiple classes in college related to HR and loved it, I can't imagine working in the field because the theory and what the job actually is, have nothing in common. It legit makes me depressed this is all they turned this profession into. HR was supposed to be about finding the best matches for various jobs, helping workers have a better time at work so they can work more productively, helping workers with career planning, figuring out plans and programs for improvement and skill acquisition, helping people have a safer and better time at work...etc. I hate what the job actually ends up being. Just a dumbass mailman for management.
@@juanitalindsey6677Lol, when there are tens of thousands of potential applicants who can fill that role, not really. Unless you are in a career field that is particularly rare, you're about as much of a company interest as the water jug that keeps the water cooler going.
Which is why they are STILL saying that all the illegals they've been hiring for decades now are willing to do the jobs Americans were not willing to do. Americans WANTED those jobs. They also wanted to get paid. Employers found that they could pay the undocumented workers even LESS than they were paying the American workers. So guess who is out of a job and being blamed for it! But what goes around comes around.
@@deborahpinkey1264that is why its important to have a more robust and accessible system in place to register these folk’s so companies cant get away with exploiting them and letting them receive basic protections blaming “illegal’s” for your low pay and not the corp’s themselves is doing exactly what the massive corp’s want you to think, so that you don’t demand union’s and better pay or actually hold the corp responsible and instead blame some random outside force
And yet nothing changes. People have to make sacrifices too but they won’t. So terrible companies continue to behave poorly because really, we let them. Whether it’s paying for value over quality or because people are unwilling to live without X product because fomo…
@@medievalpeanut4269 that and the government is more or less run by said company threw legal bribes preventing any regulation and subsequently any real change
This doesn't happen irl. They just fill the position with less experienced employees and see their already existing team struggle not only with the workload but also taking the time out to train the new employees. I experienced it first hand.
In general, yes, but it depends on the field. Some fields require a certain level of expertise and experience and trying to train people without the necessary qualifications would take a lot of time and money, as well as high employee turnover.
Yes new people do have to learn but that should be done in an organic way, not when the project is in a critical state or to replace an experienced employee, you need experience to handle the wave. Most organizations throw freshers into scenarios where they wouldn't be able to handle it even with training and with pressure on the senior resources to both train and work on their tasks nothing gets done with efficiency and the overall project suffers. The better solution would have been for example, is to hire 5 experienced employees to handle the job instead of 10 freshers and hoping their problem would go away. Also Organizations do not value your skill nor your experience if your salary demands exceed their payroll budget, instead they hire a number of inexperienced candidates who would demand salaries that actually exceed the one demanded by the experienced employee.
@@amazinglats6020They do not need to learn how to do the job. They should already know. Learning on the job should not take months. Maybe a week at most
@@spidalack Bosses start as employees at some point Really, I've seen kids come in with basic skills and education thinking they'd be supervisors within 5 years Everybody thinks they can be a boss, only few are actually capable of leadership
That's exactly how it works when you are an independent businessman and offer your services. You pay me what you can afford, and I give you what you pay for
@@brownboy534Not really ironic. Most people want as much as they can get while paying as little as possible, whether that’s buying a new car, computer, phone or house. That doesn’t mean that you always go with the most expensive option. And it doesn’t mean that you don’t try to haggle a bit if you decide to go for any of the mid-range options.
@@Monaleenian see haggling is exactly as the video describes. You don't want to pay for what I am worth. That's fine, which skills am I not going to have to bring to the table to make this negotiation work. They want us to work premium while they get the work on a bargain but at the same time will fire you without notice just because you had a bad day and there's nothing you can do about it except starve and go homeless trying to find another job. That's the irony. They expect us to give them 120% while they give us 60% in return at best. That's the irony brother.
At a place that I worked at a few years ago, management figured put a way to remove all the floor workers' afternoon premiums and their paid breaks. So everyone deliberately tanked their productivity. The next month when supervisors brought up that fact at the team meeting, they were collectively told, "You're working us longer hours and paying us less. This is what you get."
@@imperfectsimulacrum a break that is considered working hours. Happens especially in shift work. During my 9-5 I only have the regular 30min unpaid break. but due to other factors I have little room to complain
@@imperfectsimulacrum Something that should be the norm in America. We're taking time out of our days to be at work. If I am at work, even when on break, I expect to be paid for the time I am giving the company. But corporations are greedy mfers, so this'll never happen.
This happened to me years ago After a gruelling interview process a company offered me a job and complimented me on my skills They then offered me 20k less than what I was currently earning and explained it was a non negotiable offer I immediately refused and left I later found out they went down the list and the first 6 applicants after me all turned the company down
@workoutwithrob1700 Absolutely true ! In the end, people not getting respected for their experience/worth and giving it all to their company for "future evolution" or straight up fear of being considered "unproductive" are the reason why the bar for salary expectations is so low. People need to negotiate and fight for their salary
And that as a shareholder is one thing that scares me. I don't pump and dump, I like positions in healthy companies and if a company don't take care of its people then it is not healthy.
which shows a lot right here on how fucked up the system is. a service gig in a good bar/restaurant making as much as a 40-60 hour a week office job? I would say that the service gig is actually paying what it should because it's largely tips, right? so the office job is artificially low.
@@Ezberron more or less. my check is taxed on my sales, so i essentially get one $300 check a month, first check goes entirely to insurance. i only work 30 hrs a week too, although it is night into the early morning and weekends.
Exactly, I make 80 driving a damn cement mixer, stress free, meanwhile most of the people I know with degrees are working beaucoup hours stressing in an office barely making that...except them mfs with engineering degrees, they're making a killing fresh outta school
@@johnlozauskas778 He's probably lying (or just in one of the most expensive cities). And most people don't pay cash anymore, especially high end, expensive places.
I worked for a company that, after a merger, cut my pay and cancelled a sales contest trip that I had won and said I should "just understand" because the company didn't hit their profitability goals. I resigned within two months for a much better job that became my career. My previous company got bought within the year. Stand up for what you're worth, most people don't.
Literally had a position open up within the company I used to work at. They had a long list of responsibilities and duties, a lot of which is what I had been doing before which is why I applied, but when they asked if we were still interested if there was no financial benefits, I pulled out. They were super annoyed because I was the number 1 candidate. Found out the financial benefit was a slap in the face for all that added responsibility. Dodged a huge bullet
This is how many/most companies behave. They will even promise to give you an increase at the next review period and then it will be a 2-5% increase when if they hired someone new it would be a 20%+ increase…
@@medievalpeanut4269 that was actually common practice. They reviewed your performance every 6 months. With the promise of a 2% to 5% annual increase based on your performance. When asked why it was so low, they started talking about how projected inflation was estimated to drop below 3%, in reality it flew past 15%, all management were happy with plans for holidays and more while we were struggling to even come to work. So we knew that they got more than that. When I left, 5 more people left that HR had to get involved, asking people if they were happy. They all said yes but no one was. And who comes to the office in a brand new 2 million car? The managing director. Yup
@@medievalpeanut4269 There's no value in being loyal to a company anymore and it's honestly kind of sad. Gone are the days when, say, my dad could work at the same bank for 40 years and go from the mailroom to a VP's desk. You'll get more raises faster by hopping jobs every year or two.
When my bank was absorbed by WAMU in 2002 (now long gone) they told me they were dropping my salary to $400 a week. I was making $400 a week in 1987 and at the time without a college degree. I was making $900 a week plus commission. I said the moment you cut my salary I’m walking out the door. No notice. Indeed four weeks later they did. I grabbed a box, put my things in it and walk out.
My first mortgage was with WAMU. All things considered, they were actually not the worst bank around. I can't believe they cut your pay like that though.
@@Wordlifematt Awesome! It’s great to be confident and to ask for a higher salary when appropriate but to tell the employer that they need to get back to you within 48 hours is over the top. ☺️
I refuse to use English during work since I get the same money as the guy speaking German with a hardly understandable accent and no language skills whatsoever.
She is not wrong. You get what you pay for. Don't want to pay a person what they are worth, then don't complain when no one wants to work that position.
Work is essentially a business transaction, a weird and an unfortunate one (because all of us need to eat and stuff), but it is a transaction. When you work, you are providing a service, and when they hire and pay you, they are purchasing a service. The interview is a sales pitch and a business negotiation. The interviewee in this scenario knows that her services are worth what she asks, and as long as she gets her asking price, she's ready to deliver. Unfortunately, the weird thing about work is that companies seem to see things in two ways: (1) they see a business transaction, and they're trying to get a discount or bargain, but also, (2) they forget that they're dealing with humans that need to stay alive. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, they oass over her to get someone else less qualified, but also cheaper. In business translation, the likely outcome of this scenario (and the whole point of the practice of outsourcing) is going with the "lowest bidder." They want a "good deal." They don't want to pay for quality, but they absolutely expect it. You could say that the Company is the ultimate entitled customer. 😕
My management team has approached me on four separate occasions asking me to take the warehouse trainer position. Each time I've given them the same salary offer, and each time they ghost me. It's hilarious seeing the warehouse getting worse and worse because the only other guys qualified to take the position, don't want it. I can't help but wonder how bad things will get before they finally decide to pay me what I'm worth?
They never will. They will run it into the ground on purpose and watch it burn before they even think about giving you more $. And all of it is on principle...... LoL "HOW DARE YOU"
I suggest you take that course and once you have that diploma, hightail out of there at the first opportunity No decent run company will run a department into the ground because they don't want to afford a professional supervisor
Lol this bit is funny. I did a similar thing. Told the company i was worth x$$ but becuase they didnt know me i would be willing to work for 20% less as a probational amount for 6 months at which time i wanted in contract what the company and i agreed would be indicators for increasing my earnings. They told me thats what their senior guys make. So i thanked them for their time and apologized that we could not come to an agreement. Their starting pay was little bit better than unskilled labor for a tech heavy ocupation.
It does work. SIL just said no to a promotion because the raise was going to be tiny. They got back to him a few days later and offered him pretty close to what he asked. They realized they could lose him and would have to hire a new person for that much anyway.
They will not unless they are not worth the money. Psychologically the hard part is committing to a deal initially. Once you start paying you don't change things unless you are not getting the returns you hoped for or you stand to make a significant financial gain @@sathdk79
Kinda difficult if they blindside you and say the schedule you've had for five years no longer works for them after you've been with the company for almost twenty years. Some people are a$$holes.
In India, Veronica would have taken the offer letter from this company and went to another company asking for raise in the current offer until it reached more than 95k.
In India Veronica would be spending most of her time calling me trying to convince me that there is a problem with my credit card and that I will need to send over some google play gift cards to fix it
Remember; you are in the business of selling labor, and employers are in the business of buying labor. Know what your labor is worth, and don't give anyone a discount.
Practical statement. About 3 years ago as a software engineer you could pretty much do that. 6 years ago kids 3 years graduated demanded Sr engineer titles. And they got it. Because demand was insane and supply low. Today similar but ai engineers. They basically demand a number and the company begs them to be reasonable. But they are not. The only jobs Google is hiring for is ai engineers. Point is............. It's all about supply vs demand.
this reminds me of when I applied for a sales management position at a well-known media company (based on someone’s recommendation to pitch the job, I wasn’t particularly looking, as I had a job), the offer was insulting and laughable, they assumed I couldn’t be making that much for my young age at the time; I simply told them I couldn’t take such a downgrade in my current earnings as a sales rep and wished them the best in their recruitment efforts ❤😂
I was at a conference and had to listen to some crusty dude talk about how he is tired of “ridiculously overpaying” for positions. It was painful to listen to
Can't tell you how bad this got with nursing. Even if they were told that salary is non-negotiable they would call nurses in for an interview and cry poverty. I don't know what they were expecting to happen, but nurses started a blacklist of facilities that did it. In 2021 I worked at a facility that needed to hire a nurse, they wanted high energy, experience, someone with glowing references but the pay was insulting. I told them, the only nurse they'll get for what they're offering is one who fk'd up and killed somebody. I caught hell for saying it, but the poor person in charge of hiring just nodded.
My wife had been looking for a year, she got an interview with a big name company, we were very excited. They made an offer, it was absolutely terrible, about 60% of what she wanted financially; also, they wanted to train her in a really neiche, not very transferable system, and if she left within 2 years she had to pay for the training. It was really painful to turn that offer down because it had been such a hard job hunt. Took another 7 months but she found something good, the whole 7 months we wondered if she should have taken the job because some income is better than none. If not for the other details she probably would’ve taken it. It’s tough out there.
I had a job that posted for a pay range and after calling an inquiring about getting the upper tier of the range because I have years of experience and I come to the company with knowing one of their employees the hiring manager literally told me that he isn't able to make that much money so I agreed to go to the interview and training but I didn't even go lol waste my time n ill waste yours
Thank you for providing an example of what it looks and sounds like to stand up for yourself in the workplace.. I was on the brink of people teaching me that you have to "suck it up" and "work is never fun" and all these terrible ideas like you never get paid enough never get full credit etc... I believed someone, somewhere has it good. Not just one person. There are good bosses and good companies and great coworkers. There are teams that care.. somewhere!! Literally been told it was impossible, completely unrealistic, guess you're "nver going to get a job" with my "impossible standards" but these videos are more than enough to prove my point. It's not about expecting perfection from myself or others. But it doesn't have to be so damn bad, either!!
From 2005 --> 2010 I was a manager of a parking garage. I was working 75+ hours per week. They paid me $35k a year and that was it. I asked a couple of times for a raise and it was a non-starter. So I gave myself a little pay raise. Over the course of time my pay increased from 35k to almost 85k a year as I took my pay raise out of their greedy coffers! Yup, that's right I took $1000 per week in cold, hard cash and those greedy morons never figured it out. There's always a way to wriggle around corporate if you are smart enough to figure it out. Oh and go ahead and report me. The statue of imitation expired long ago! What are you gonna do, "Tell a teacher?". Too late! Ha ha ha 😂 😄
The job i wanna be full time at won't even give me a chance. They're looking for more qualified people, but won't pay that kind of money. They've hired less qualified people in the past and these people are full time and doing fine. In fact, exceeding expectations. Yet the boss was surprised when i told him i would be taking him up on his repeated comments of "again, just let me know what works for you". Oh yeah, I'll tell you what works for me. Getting a full time job with benefits at a job i feel fulfilled in, and only work at my dream job whenever I'm available because you wanna be cheap, ignorant, and incompetent. He was always complaining about working too many hours but yet he won't give one of his best workers a chance. I exceeded expectations, did more than what was asked, and still do, and I don't even get a chance.
And if you're on the floor they just give you a price offer as a "take it or leave it" deal, no room for negotiation. You've possibly gone through hundreds of applications by then.
That resume doesn’t prove this employee would make more than $95k for the company. Pay is given in exchange of work that brings profit to a company. I’d much rather see a resume showing “I led a project netting $300,000 annually.” I would pay you more than $95k if you could replicate it.
Amusing notion. Buuut, id assume she already has a "job" and shes just going for a career with her degrees. She paid for and sustained herself somehow til she got her degrees and qualifications. So i doubt shes "unemployed" and just looking to "step up" her finances gained. Plus other competitors of that company might pick her up.Nothing wrong with negotiating, seeking what your looking for.And its more " good job missing the EXACT employee you were lookin for,now have fun filling that position" (meaning the company is still without a position being filled by a HIGHLY qualified person.) And plus itd be on the company/interviewer who saw her application said "shed settle for no less than 96k" but still tried to get it down and was surprised at her saying "no, i wont go down. So thats a move on there part that didnt pan out like it does with 97% of people who would fold cuz of fear of being "passed up on" for negotiating XD
I got a follow-up interview for a job once. Started talking numbers. I quoted them what an equivalent position at my current employer would pay and their response was "oh my." Needless to say that didn't work out
Lol like the welding meme. A $20 welder vs a $50 welder. When asked why one line looked horrible and one looked like stacked dimes he said " you placed a range of pay and I showed what the ends of that range looks like. So what do you want to pay me?"
How so? Based on a 40 hour work week, and 52 weeks in a year that's 2080 hours yearly. Dividing 95,000 by 2080 gives you 45 and some change. What steps are you using to get 27?
@malindaallen718 never really checked if salary was pre or post taxes but even so that's all the more reason why I'm asking what formula or round ball estimates are they using to get 27. Also, we don't know what benefits would be included, if the job reqs those certificates or its on the preferred list, are they even applying to a job that on average makes that much in salary? I'm all for negotiating till you get something you're happy with and not getting low balled but uh, I'd like more context xD
As an author and Illustrator, our business is about giving the audience so much value (free) that they would be foolish to abstain from more (paid). Later on, this scales relatively infinitely, but early on you have to give give and give some more till the paid side achieves scale--which is when you can truely be compensated for your skills, or over compensated.
Been there, walked away laughing at them when they gave me "their top offer". It wasn't much more than McD was offering to man the drive through, but they were wanting an Instrumentation & Control Engineer with over 20 years experience and willing to travel around the world representing them. They're still looking for someone "Qualified", meaning smart enough to do the job, and stupid enough to take their offer..
It does, just actually be valuable (instead of arrogant) and not be a pushover 'Company' tried to deny me overtime compensation in my refreshed contract, told them I would not sign unless it was taken out A lot of BS, fought it up to the CEO, he took out the line and gave me a $300 a month raise for being correct in my substantiation and not a pussy like the rest of the employees
Of you genuinely think it's the 4% big gov is shoveling to you, youd better start job searching. My whole town has help wanted signs in the windows. Yet it took me 8 months to find a job. Everyone is out of money. Nobody is hiring. Adding a quarter million jobs does not mean they are full time, life sustaining wage jobs. A 15 yr old babysitter is considered a job to the government. A second part time is a job. Doesn't mean people are living off them.
the funny part is the recruiter didn’t even tell her what the salary would be, she just said “we can’t fulfill your desired salary” you show her veronica
You can hear the interviewers brain hamster literally have a heart attack on that hamster wheel when told qualities will be taken away if hiring price is lowered lol.
My grad school advisor had a funny story along these lines. Some company wanted him as a consultant but when he gave them his hourly consulting rate they only offered him half, so he said “that’s cool, I’ll only tell you half of what I know then”.
Know your worth. If your current employer doesn't value you for what you are worth, then take your skills, experience, education and other qualifications elsewhere.
I've had bait and switch interviews before. They offer a range, the low end being "bare minimum requirements and experience", and the max being "could walk in today and running smooth tomorrow". They'll hire the latter, while trying to convince them that they're the former, and offering the lowest end of the pay range. That's when you laugh, get up and shake a hand, and say thank you for wasting your time and, more importantly, mine. I won't recommend any of my colleagues to apply here, either." Then walk out, and don't communicate with them again.
Why? Employers are more than happy to take several weeks, even months to subject applicants to multiple round interviews and shit for even the crappiest jobs. If it were me I’d give them 24 hours.
Problem is that the kids straight out of college with zero experience try to pull this too. It does work when you have actual proven marketable skills, but when You've only worked as a barista and never paid any of your own bills, can't effectively use a spreadsheet and ask for the world, with that attitude, you will forever be a barista. But use it as motivation and start your own coffee shop, it'll give you the business experience to be marketable after. You've got to ride the struggle bus to get to where you want to go, there is no shortcut. However i will agree the executive suite has completely raided the coffers of most corporations. It's a morality issue and unfortunately the issue is pervasive to most of society. Narcissism and greed are the law of the lands at the moment unfortunately
Except theyll just tell you that their looking for something more specific and that your qualifications dont actually perfectly match with their needs, so they aren't worth that much.
Yeah, for those of you who think this won't work, think again. If you TRULY have the qualifications, your salary requirements will be accepted. It may not be by them, but someone will. At my current place (been there 8 years), I initially had an interview and told them my requirements. They told me that it may be more than they could afford. I stood my ground and told them to think about it and let me know. I wasn't in a rush to find a new place and would only accept offers within my guidelines. Literally, a month later, almost to the day, they called me in for a second interview. During that interview, they hired me on the spot and then offered me cash to stay for the rest of the day/week and help them. I took the offer and made almost $2k cash in two and a half days. My official start date was the following Monday.
In the real world, the company passed over Veronica and went with a lesser qualified person while the CEOs all got a bonus!
So true.
It's very sad, this is so true of what happens.
The point being she didn't settle. I prefer the dependancy approach; take the job and do it real well for about 2 months, then quit with no notice. When you they hit you back, reiterate your worth but because their gap in judgment it'll cost even more.
@@NukeStarCrafthow well does that work in real life?
And laid off 10% of the workforce to save money, meanwhile increasing C-level bonuses by 10%.
Also Employers: “We don’t understand why we can’t fill this position”
Oh they understand, but they make more money by forcing the current employees to take on the extra load without any additional pay/bonus, or extra time off.
@@millersam07Exactly 💯
Duh! Bc no one wants to work anymore!
@@millersam07I had a close friend filling 2 to 3 person's jobs and ruining his life in a company that kept delaying a hire. I told him to stop doing that because he was fixing the problem for them. I came up with this little quote I would say to him everytime the topic came up: "They will not fix a problem that they don't have." so if you find yourself in this situation then stop fixing the problem for them at the expense of yourself and your life.
@@millersam07"Why is our turnover and bunrnot rate so high among younger people? No one wants to work any more!"
Recently I was offered a job and the salary they stated was kinda low, so I asked if it was negotiable. They said no, and I said, "well that's a significant pay cut from what I'm currently making so I'm going to have to decline." And the person called me rude for "wasting their time with the interviews". I thought it was rude to offer someone with 10 years of experience entry level pay.
lol if their calling you rude for that then whoever that is is running a very unprofessional business
@@khalidhassan9423 Honestly yeah. Pretty glad they didn't negotiate if that's how they react to people making pretty normal asks. They're a huge government contractor, so probably low bid operators.
Also they absolutely could've prevented this "waste of time" if they were willing to state the pay they were offering before they get you through the whole process. That's completely on them and being rude to someone else for a situation you created hoping to exploit someone is unhinged.
@@mordecaiissad8529 They don't like putting in what the pay is, OHHH they hate doing that with a sheer passion! And THEN you find out at the final interview how much the pay is and it's for crap money or half of what you currently take home after taxes each paycheck!
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"I'm willing to speak only English and forget everything I've learned in senior year of college for that pay cut."
More like all job experience previous to this job. College doesn’t mean much once you’ve already been in the field.
My wife is bilingual. At her last job she tried to negotiate for higher pay due to her second language. She was told that it wasn't needed for the position, so no increase.
One of her coworkers had a client who only spoke that language. Her boss suggested that my wife could translate for her. She refused. She told them that they had the opportunity to purchase her language skills and opted not to, so she was English only in the office.
@@fins9584 Hello. Yes, it's unfortunate but companies do try to find value add wherever they can. For instance, even if a second language isn't deemed 'necessary' for the role, it's a great perk that makes for a value add to someone. A company might benefit greatly from someone who's looking to make money in a position, and brings something extra to the table. In essence you could have a bilingual employee who refuses to use their 2nd language to help in a situation where it can be helpful. You could also have someone who applies who is bilingual and willing to help even if it's not necessarily something expected on a regular basis.
In that case, the company is better off employing someone who is going to bring that value add to the position. Even if that person were to say: "If you require someone who can speak this language, that could give me a leg up over other people looking for the same job, because I'm willing to do that. For the pay of the role, you get someone who happens to be able to speak this language too, should you need it." etc
We need more Domo. Use to see that little mascot a lot.
@@fins9584 I bet your wife is either unemployed or stuck in a dead end job with zero hope of advancement
Typical corporate America. You supposed to give them your all while not being fairly compensated. Take your skills where you'll be PAID for them.
In what country would this fantasy company be located?
@@sickofcrap8992 A Marxist Utopia
Oh it's the same everywhere. I'm French and I've been "acting my wage" for two decades, long before Americans realized they were getting shafted as a matter of principle.
@@sickofcrap8992redditopia
@@TheNefastorThere's been leftists in America who knew we were being shafted all along. Just that socially and politically, the left has been highly demonized.
Remember, the HR position is created to look after the company's best interest.... not yours😂
As someone that had classes multiple classes in college related to HR and loved it, I can't imagine working in the field because the theory and what the job actually is, have nothing in common. It legit makes me depressed this is all they turned this profession into. HR was supposed to be about finding the best matches for various jobs, helping workers have a better time at work so they can work more productively, helping workers with career planning, figuring out plans and programs for improvement and skill acquisition, helping people have a safer and better time at work...etc. I hate what the job actually ends up being. Just a dumbass mailman for management.
The EMPLOYEE is the Company's best INTEREST.
@@juanitalindsey6677Lol, when there are tens of thousands of potential applicants who can fill that role, not really. Unless you are in a career field that is particularly rare, you're about as much of a company interest as the water jug that keeps the water cooler going.
Yeah, this is obvious, that's the point... Who are you reminding about it?
@@juanitalindsey6677 In your head it is but in reality it is not.
Companies think they’re entitled to labor but don’t want to pay for it. And then they pretend workers are the problem
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Which is why they are STILL saying that all the illegals they've been hiring for decades now are willing to do the jobs Americans were not willing to do. Americans WANTED those jobs. They also wanted to get paid. Employers found that they could pay the undocumented workers even LESS than they were paying the American workers. So guess who is out of a job and being blamed for it! But what goes around comes around.
@@deborahpinkey1264that is why its important to have a more robust and accessible system in place to register these folk’s so companies cant get away with exploiting them and letting them receive basic protections blaming “illegal’s” for your low pay and not the corp’s themselves is doing exactly what the massive corp’s want you to think, so that you don’t demand union’s and better pay or actually hold the corp responsible and instead blame some random outside force
And yet nothing changes. People have to make sacrifices too but they won’t. So terrible companies continue to behave poorly because really, we let them. Whether it’s paying for value over quality or because people are unwilling to live without X product because fomo…
@@medievalpeanut4269 that and the government is more or less run by said company threw legal bribes preventing any regulation and subsequently any real change
This doesn't happen irl. They just fill the position with less experienced employees and see their already existing team struggle not only with the workload but also taking the time out to train the new employees. I experienced it first hand.
In general, yes, but it depends on the field. Some fields require a certain level of expertise and experience and trying to train people without the necessary qualifications would take a lot of time and money, as well as high employee turnover.
New people have to learn somehow, people aren’t born with experience.
Yes new people do have to learn but that should be done in an organic way, not when the project is in a critical state or to replace an experienced employee, you need experience to handle the wave. Most organizations throw freshers into scenarios where they wouldn't be able to handle it even with training and with pressure on the senior resources to both train and work on their tasks nothing gets done with efficiency and the overall project suffers. The better solution would have been for example, is to hire 5 experienced employees to handle the job instead of 10 freshers and hoping their problem would go away. Also Organizations do not value your skill nor your experience if your salary demands exceed their payroll budget, instead they hire a number of inexperienced candidates who would demand salaries that actually exceed the one demanded by the experienced employee.
@@habeeburrahaman257lol, “Taking time out to train the new employees” also doesn’t happen irl.
@@amazinglats6020They do not need to learn how to do the job. They should already know.
Learning on the job should not take months. Maybe a week at most
"Employees these days don't want to work for dirt cheap..how dare they!"
"No one wants to work anymore" really means "No one wants to work for less than they are worth anymore"
There are a lot of people that overvalue themselves as well
@@Nightdare Most of them are bosses
@@spidalack
Bosses start as employees at some point
Really, I've seen kids come in with basic skills and education thinking they'd be supervisors within 5 years
Everybody thinks they can be a boss, only few are actually capable of leadership
That's exactly how it works when you are an independent businessman and offer your services. You pay me what you can afford, and I give you what you pay for
Ain't it ironic they want to provide 100% but won't pay you for 100% of your value
So true!
I love this!
@@brownboy534Not really ironic. Most people want as much as they can get while paying as little as possible, whether that’s buying a new car, computer, phone or house. That doesn’t mean that you always go with the most expensive option. And it doesn’t mean that you don’t try to haggle a bit if you decide to go for any of the mid-range options.
@@Monaleenian see haggling is exactly as the video describes. You don't want to pay for what I am worth. That's fine, which skills am I not going to have to bring to the table to make this negotiation work. They want us to work premium while they get the work on a bargain but at the same time will fire you without notice just because you had a bad day and there's nothing you can do about it except starve and go homeless trying to find another job. That's the irony. They expect us to give them 120% while they give us 60% in return at best. That's the irony brother.
Add “great negotiation skills” and increase the minimum by another $5,000
"I can accept twenty percent less payment and will also work 20% less hours, meaning I will work from monday to thursday each week"
"And I won't be contactable after 5 pm or on weekends and public holidays." lol
At a place that I worked at a few years ago, management figured put a way to remove all the floor workers' afternoon premiums and their paid breaks.
So everyone deliberately tanked their productivity.
The next month when supervisors brought up that fact at the team meeting, they were collectively told, "You're working us longer hours and paying us less. This is what you get."
Pay the minimum
Work the minimum
Just how it should be.
Dafuq is a paid break?
@@imperfectsimulacrum Where I live, in an 8 hour shift, you get 2 fifteen minute breaks that you get paid for.
Have you never heard of such a thing?
@@imperfectsimulacrum a break that is considered working hours. Happens especially in shift work.
During my 9-5 I only have the regular 30min unpaid break.
but due to other factors I have little room to complain
@@imperfectsimulacrum Something that should be the norm in America. We're taking time out of our days to be at work. If I am at work, even when on break, I expect to be paid for the time I am giving the company. But corporations are greedy mfers, so this'll never happen.
This happened to me years ago
After a gruelling interview process a company offered me a job and complimented me on my skills
They then offered me 20k less than what I was currently earning and explained it was a non negotiable offer
I immediately refused and left
I later found out they went down the list and the first 6 applicants after me all turned the company down
That last part sounds questionable...
All that matters is number 7 after you did take it
@workoutwithrob1700
Absolutely true !
In the end, people not getting respected for their experience/worth and giving it all to their company for "future evolution" or straight up fear of being considered "unproductive" are the reason why the bar for salary expectations is so low.
People need to negotiate and fight for their salary
I’m sure they are thinking interviewing 7 people was a small investment to save $20,000 every year.
How would you know that?
Company profits have skyrocketed while pay has stagnated
People are realizing they no longer have to take this abuse
And that as a shareholder is one thing that scares me.
I don't pump and dump, I like positions in healthy companies and if a company don't take care of its people then it is not healthy.
Companies: “We keep hiring people based on how much we can rip off their worth and they keep lying on resumes how do we avoid these kinds of people”
That’s crazy. I make 95k as a bartender. And my parent wonder why I don’t use my degree
which shows a lot right here on how fucked up the system is. a service gig in a good bar/restaurant making as much as a 40-60 hour a week office job? I would say that the service gig is actually paying what it should because it's largely tips, right? so the office job is artificially low.
@@Ezberron more or less. my check is taxed on my sales, so i essentially get one $300 check a month, first check goes entirely to insurance. i only work 30 hrs a week too, although it is night into the early morning and weekends.
Exactly, I make 80 driving a damn cement mixer, stress free, meanwhile most of the people I know with degrees are working beaucoup hours stressing in an office barely making that...except them mfs with engineering degrees, they're making a killing fresh outta school
Plus your tips are in ca$h.
@@johnlozauskas778 He's probably lying (or just in one of the most expensive cities). And most people don't pay cash anymore, especially high end, expensive places.
I worked for a company that, after a merger, cut my pay and cancelled a sales contest trip that I had won and said I should "just understand" because the company didn't hit their profitability goals. I resigned within two months for a much better job that became my career. My previous company got bought within the year. Stand up for what you're worth, most people don't.
I understand that you need to lower salary expectations and try to get a better deal. I would be happy to accept 94,990/year
... Provided that I get a year end bonus of at least $11.
Literally had a position open up within the company I used to work at. They had a long list of responsibilities and duties, a lot of which is what I had been doing before which is why I applied, but when they asked if we were still interested if there was no financial benefits, I pulled out. They were super annoyed because I was the number 1 candidate. Found out the financial benefit was a slap in the face for all that added responsibility. Dodged a huge bullet
This is how many/most companies behave. They will even promise to give you an increase at the next review period and then it will be a 2-5% increase when if they hired someone new it would be a 20%+ increase…
@@medievalpeanut4269 that was actually common practice. They reviewed your performance every 6 months. With the promise of a 2% to 5% annual increase based on your performance. When asked why it was so low, they started talking about how projected inflation was estimated to drop below 3%, in reality it flew past 15%, all management were happy with plans for holidays and more while we were struggling to even come to work. So we knew that they got more than that. When I left, 5 more people left that HR had to get involved, asking people if they were happy. They all said yes but no one was. And who comes to the office in a brand new 2 million car? The managing director. Yup
@@medievalpeanut4269 There's no value in being loyal to a company anymore and it's honestly kind of sad. Gone are the days when, say, my dad could work at the same bank for 40 years and go from the mailroom to a VP's desk. You'll get more raises faster by hopping jobs every year or two.
"WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! NO ONE WANTS TO WORK ANY MOOOOORE!"
Yea, no one wants to be a slave boohoo.
When my bank was absorbed by WAMU in 2002 (now long gone) they told me they were dropping my salary to $400 a week. I was making $400 a week in 1987 and at the time without a college degree. I was making $900 a week plus commission. I said the moment you cut my salary I’m walking out the door. No notice. Indeed four weeks later they did. I grabbed a box, put my things in it and walk out.
My first mortgage was with WAMU. All things considered, they were actually not the worst bank around. I can't believe they cut your pay like that though.
I’m not sure how this would go over in the real world but Veronica is making some excellent points here. 🤗📚
So true 😊
Unfortunately people are too scared to be this confident. it does work
Veronica wouldn't get the job.
@@bananafoneableI asked one time in Wawa for higher pay and I got it.. it was dollar, but worth it for asking than not asking at all
@@Wordlifematt Awesome! It’s great to be confident and to ask for a higher salary when appropriate but to tell the employer that they need to get back to you within 48 hours is over the top. ☺️
I’m a tradesman . My available skills are completely dependent on what my salary is .
Based
As a former HVAC residential tech, very based
I refuse to use English during work since I get the same money as the guy speaking German with a hardly understandable accent and no language skills whatsoever.
She is not wrong. You get what you pay for. Don't want to pay a person what they are worth, then don't complain when no one wants to work that position.
Work is essentially a business transaction, a weird and an unfortunate one (because all of us need to eat and stuff), but it is a transaction. When you work, you are providing a service, and when they hire and pay you, they are purchasing a service. The interview is a sales pitch and a business negotiation. The interviewee in this scenario knows that her services are worth what she asks, and as long as she gets her asking price, she's ready to deliver. Unfortunately, the weird thing about work is that companies seem to see things in two ways: (1) they see a business transaction, and they're trying to get a discount or bargain, but also, (2) they forget that they're dealing with humans that need to stay alive.
Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, they oass over her to get someone else less qualified, but also cheaper. In business translation, the likely outcome of this scenario (and the whole point of the practice of outsourcing) is going with the "lowest bidder." They want a "good deal." They don't want to pay for quality, but they absolutely expect it. You could say that the Company is the ultimate entitled customer. 😕
Well, in honesty, you don't need 95K to stay alive
My management team has approached me on four separate occasions asking me to take the warehouse trainer position. Each time I've given them the same salary offer, and each time they ghost me. It's hilarious seeing the warehouse getting worse and worse because the only other guys qualified to take the position, don't want it. I can't help but wonder how bad things will get before they finally decide to pay me what I'm worth?
They never will. They will run it into the ground on purpose and watch it burn before they even think about giving you more $. And all of it is on principle...... LoL "HOW DARE YOU"
I suggest you take that course and once you have that diploma, hightail out of there at the first opportunity
No decent run company will run a department into the ground because they don't want to afford a professional supervisor
She will find an employer that can afford her and the company will have to find an employee they can afford
"Nobody wants to work anymore"
Maybe because companies don’t want to offer a decent salary anymore
I want to work
@@peanutm9346for free?
@@Kimjongun19841 Well than I hope the company goes under
Nobody wants to pay
Lol this bit is funny.
I did a similar thing. Told the company i was worth x$$ but becuase they didnt know me i would be willing to work for 20% less as a probational amount for 6 months at which time i wanted in contract what the company and i agreed would be indicators for increasing my earnings.
They told me thats what their senior guys make. So i thanked them for their time and apologized that we could not come to an agreement.
Their starting pay was little bit better than unskilled labor for a tech heavy ocupation.
Damn poor seniors
It does work. SIL just said no to a promotion because the raise was going to be tiny. They got back to him a few days later and offered him pretty close to what he asked. They realized they could lose him and would have to hire a new person for that much anyway.
They will now replace him as soon as they can and make an excuse to let him go
They will not unless they are not worth the money.
Psychologically the hard part is committing to a deal initially. Once you start paying you don't change things unless you are not getting the returns you hoped for or you stand to make a significant financial gain @@sathdk79
@@sathdk79 it’ll be their loss. His promotion should give him a better chance of a new position (no question he could land one)
He's got better confidence and new experience to get an even better job. Go, SIL!@@sathdk79
When I took over as manager, I got myself a raise, right after all my staff got a raise first.
They want the world from an employee but are only willing to pay for pebbles. They want you to happily request your own oppression.
Then they get what they want, but then are shocked nobody can afford to buy their stuff anymore...
@@TarsonTalon Facts. They don't understand basic economics and can't do math.
This is why it’s better to look for jobs early when you don’t HAVE to so you can act like this…otherwise you’re gonna have to take what they give you
Making sure you can walk at any time is really important imho.
Do whatever it takes to save 6-12 months' expenses. Never be a slave again.
100%
Kinda difficult if they blindside you and say the schedule you've had for five years no longer works for them after you've been with the company for almost twenty years. Some people are a$$holes.
In India, Veronica would have taken the offer letter from this company and went to another company asking for raise in the current offer until it reached more than 95k.
In India Veronica would be spending most of her time calling me trying to convince me that there is a problem with my credit card and that I will need to send over some google play gift cards to fix it
@@brendanpower9609 ya ya, and i am sure she would have convinced you..
@@brendanpower9609 and i am sure would convince you. :)
@@brendanpower9609Why not both? India had normal jobs too. Just like America has scammers too. It's just our scammers are sitting politicians.
@@botarakutabi1199 so true, what you said about politicians are also applicable here.
Remember; you are in the business of selling labor, and employers are in the business of buying labor. Know what your labor is worth, and don't give anyone a discount.
Lovely
This is like what I did at work when I changed my performance after the treatment I received and management got mad but cant do anything about it.
They can fire you
Practical statement. About 3 years ago as a software engineer you could pretty much do that. 6 years ago kids 3 years graduated demanded Sr engineer titles. And they got it.
Because demand was insane and supply low.
Today similar but ai engineers. They basically demand a number and the company begs them to be reasonable. But they are not. The only jobs Google is hiring for is ai engineers.
Point is............. It's all about supply vs demand.
my cousin is an ai engineer at Nvidia, started 5 years ago, doing pretty well for himself.
1:07 I love this part where she says what qualifications do you want me to remove. 😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
Even if they don't say it, if you don't pay someone well, they won't go full out at work. It is very simple.
Thats when you get up and leave. An interview is a two way street, dont just be desperate for a job. You are interviewing them too
Good way to negotiate is either have a better offer or bluff. Most of the time, bluffing is fine, sometimes it doesn't.
this reminds me of when I applied for a sales management position at a well-known media company (based on someone’s recommendation to pitch the job, I wasn’t particularly looking, as I had a job), the offer was insulting and laughable, they assumed I couldn’t be making that much for my young age at the time; I simply told them I couldn’t take such a downgrade in my current earnings as a sales rep and wished them the best in their recruitment efforts ❤😂
Two points:
1. You get what you pay for.
2. Union strong 💪🏼 is never wrong for the workers’ rights and employers’ responsibilities.
Its a trade, and it MUST BE fair, for boths sides!!
Exactly 💯
Get as much work and talent for as little cost as possible. That’s the game.
I was at a conference and had to listen to some crusty dude talk about how he is tired of “ridiculously overpaying” for positions. It was painful to listen to
I was a manager for 30 years. Let’s be honest, Veronica would be red flagged as difficult. I hate that this is true, but it is.
It seems like she's already red flagged the company as difficult so that seems entirely fair.
Corporate flagging people that know their worth... guess we will flag the companies we know aren't worth working for lol
Let's start with Amazon
I want to be paid what you think you are worth, but damn Veronica, you won't get a job with that snippy attitude.
Yup. Good thing we have glass door.
The video will help more people to demand better treatment so you won't be able to flag everyone. Go, Veronica!
Can't tell you how bad this got with nursing. Even if they were told that salary is non-negotiable they would call nurses in for an interview and cry poverty. I don't know what they were expecting to happen, but nurses started a blacklist of facilities that did it.
In 2021 I worked at a facility that needed to hire a nurse, they wanted high energy, experience, someone with glowing references but the pay was insulting. I told them, the only nurse they'll get for what they're offering is one who fk'd up and killed somebody. I caught hell for saying it, but the poor person in charge of hiring just nodded.
My wife had been looking for a year, she got an interview with a big name company, we were very excited. They made an offer, it was absolutely terrible, about 60% of what she wanted financially; also, they wanted to train her in a really neiche, not very transferable system, and if she left within 2 years she had to pay for the training. It was really painful to turn that offer down because it had been such a hard job hunt. Took another 7 months but she found something good, the whole 7 months we wondered if she should have taken the job because some income is better than none. If not for the other details she probably would’ve taken it. It’s tough out there.
I had a job that posted for a pay range and after calling an inquiring about getting the upper tier of the range because I have years of experience and I come to the company with knowing one of their employees the hiring manager literally told me that he isn't able to make that much money so I agreed to go to the interview and training but I didn't even go lol waste my time n ill waste yours
Thank you for providing an example of what it looks and sounds like to stand up for yourself in the workplace.. I was on the brink of people teaching me that you have to "suck it up" and "work is never fun" and all these terrible ideas like you never get paid enough never get full credit etc... I believed someone, somewhere has it good. Not just one person. There are good bosses and good companies and great coworkers. There are teams that care.. somewhere!! Literally been told it was impossible, completely unrealistic, guess you're "nver going to get a job" with my "impossible standards" but these videos are more than enough to prove my point. It's not about expecting perfection from myself or others. But it doesn't have to be so damn bad, either!!
Companies pay you just enough not to quit, employees work just enough not to be fired.
What was that movie called, Office Space or something...?
@@raincoast9010 Don’t know what you mean sorry
@@richardshort4587 Look it up.
“I’m sorry to hear that your company is shopping outside of their budget. Let me know when you can actually afford what you’re looking for.”
From 2005 --> 2010 I was a manager of a parking garage. I was working 75+ hours per week. They paid me $35k a year and that was it. I asked a couple of times for a raise and it was a non-starter.
So I gave myself a little pay raise. Over the course of time my pay increased from 35k to almost 85k a year as I took my pay raise out of their greedy coffers! Yup, that's right I took $1000 per week in cold, hard cash and those greedy morons never figured it out.
There's always a way to wriggle around corporate if you are smart enough to figure it out. Oh and go ahead and report me. The statue of imitation expired long ago! What are you gonna do, "Tell a teacher?".
Too late! Ha ha ha 😂 😄
Veronica, the hero we need.
When you don't pay people what they a worth, they take their worth some place else.
Her response is how being an employee is supposed to work. Too bad mlst people don't have this confidence or charisma
Oh my gosh...i didn't see that twist coming. Girl i know that's right!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏!!!!
The job i wanna be full time at won't even give me a chance. They're looking for more qualified people, but won't pay that kind of money. They've hired less qualified people in the past and these people are full time and doing fine. In fact, exceeding expectations. Yet the boss was surprised when i told him i would be taking him up on his repeated comments of "again, just let me know what works for you". Oh yeah, I'll tell you what works for me. Getting a full time job with benefits at a job i feel fulfilled in, and only work at my dream job whenever I'm available because you wanna be cheap, ignorant, and incompetent. He was always complaining about working too many hours but yet he won't give one of his best workers a chance. I exceeded expectations, did more than what was asked, and still do, and I don't even get a chance.
And if you're on the floor they just give you a price offer as a "take it or leave it" deal, no room for negotiation. You've possibly gone through hundreds of applications by then.
I'd love to see Veronica in real life one day! Shes just too amazing 🤣
theres already Veronicas you may know. they have a great job and get paid more than most people.
She could also negotiate for other benefits, like extra vacation or paid health care, in exchange for a lower salary.
There are always companies willing to pay your worth. Brush up on your demonstrable skills and find them!
That resume doesn’t prove this employee would make more than $95k for the company. Pay is given in exchange of work that brings profit to a company. I’d much rather see a resume showing “I led a project netting $300,000 annually.” I would pay you more than $95k if you could replicate it.
You have a valid point. 💯
Companies flood customers with annoying surveys rating the services from their cheap unqualified hires.
This is reality except is as soon as this lady said she’d remove qualifications they’d show her the door. “Have fun being unemployed”.
They don't necessarily have to be unemployed
Have fun being pimped! 😂
No they wouldn't. When a company actually wants you they will definitely negotiate
She said she had other jobs lined up
Amusing notion. Buuut, id assume she already has a "job" and shes just going for a career with her degrees. She paid for and sustained herself somehow til she got her degrees and qualifications. So i doubt shes "unemployed" and just looking to "step up" her finances gained. Plus other competitors of that company might pick her up.Nothing wrong with negotiating, seeking what your looking for.And its more " good job missing the EXACT employee you were lookin for,now have fun filling that position" (meaning the company is still without a position being filled by a HIGHLY qualified person.) And plus itd be on the company/interviewer who saw her application said "shed settle for no less than 96k" but still tried to get it down and was surprised at her saying "no, i wont go down. So thats a move on there part that didnt pan out like it does with 97% of people who would fold cuz of fear of being "passed up on" for negotiating XD
I got a follow-up interview for a job once. Started talking numbers. I quoted them what an equivalent position at my current employer would pay and their response was "oh my."
Needless to say that didn't work out
Lol like the welding meme. A $20 welder vs a $50 welder. When asked why one line looked horrible and one looked like stacked dimes he said " you placed a range of pay and I showed what the ends of that range looks like. So what do you want to pay me?"
"Scope of work" as a job negotiation strategy.
Roughly 27 bucks an hour take home. Perfectly reasonable for an experienced college grad salaried pro. Not a big ask.
How so? Based on a 40 hour work week, and 52 weeks in a year that's 2080 hours yearly. Dividing 95,000 by 2080 gives you 45 and some change. What steps are you using to get 27?
@Kodamare Taxes, insurance, etc. It's important to understand "take home pay".
@malindaallen718 never really checked if salary was pre or post taxes but even so that's all the more reason why I'm asking what formula or round ball estimates are they using to get 27. Also, we don't know what benefits would be included, if the job reqs those certificates or its on the preferred list, are they even applying to a job that on average makes that much in salary? I'm all for negotiating till you get something you're happy with and not getting low balled but uh, I'd like more context xD
I think there’s a nicer way of saying this but I get the joke. Simply say, sorry, I’m not willing to budge on salary expectations. Pretty simple.
As an author and Illustrator, our business is about giving the audience so much value (free) that they would be foolish to abstain from more (paid). Later on, this scales relatively infinitely, but early on you have to give give and give some more till the paid side achieves scale--which is when you can truely be compensated for your skills, or over compensated.
Been there, walked away laughing at them when they gave me "their top offer". It wasn't much more than McD was offering to man the drive through, but they were wanting an Instrumentation & Control Engineer with over 20 years experience and willing to travel around the world representing them. They're still looking for someone "Qualified", meaning smart enough to do the job, and stupid enough to take their offer..
Love all these fantasies. Wish real life worked like this.
😂
I’ve actually had this exact conversation and was told it was non negotiable and found two jobs that paid way more. I’m glad I didn’t settle.
It does if you ain't a sucker.
It does, just actually be valuable (instead of arrogant) and not be a pushover
'Company' tried to deny me overtime compensation in my refreshed contract, told them I would not sign unless it was taken out
A lot of BS, fought it up to the CEO, he took out the line and gave me a $300 a month raise for being correct in my substantiation and not a pussy like the rest of the employees
I'm here for this.
Lol!! Me too.😂
They'll just keep casting lines untill they come across someone who cannot financially afford to haggle.
this is homework. the poise, the confidence, the self worth and negotiating skills
How can you exclude a qualification? It doesn’t make sense. By all means know your market value.
Engineering:
“I currently work for this and with these benefits, can you offer me more or not? If not you can give the position to someone else.”
With the unemployment rate hovering around 4% employees have a strong bargaining position.
Of you genuinely think it's the 4% big gov is shoveling to you, youd better start job searching. My whole town has help wanted signs in the windows. Yet it took me 8 months to find a job. Everyone is out of money. Nobody is hiring. Adding a quarter million jobs does not mean they are full time, life sustaining wage jobs. A 15 yr old babysitter is considered a job to the government. A second part time is a job. Doesn't mean people are living off them.
Yeah madam "you re over qualified, and we re not willing to meet your wage demands"
the funny part is the recruiter didn’t even tell her what the salary would be, she just said “we can’t fulfill your desired salary” you show her veronica
Daaamn! Wish people could actually do that!
U can’t trust Veronica when she says she’s cool with something 😂
You can hear the interviewers brain hamster literally have a heart attack on that hamster wheel when told qualities will be taken away if hiring price is lowered lol.
This is so true with 💩 compnay, a company that truly understands your worth 90% meet your need or at least negotiate a good deal to get you
Wish it worked that way IRL...
It does, that’s if you have the skill and qualifications do command a fair wage for your skills.
It does allot of people negotiate there compensation package most people just don't out of fear
My grad school advisor had a funny story along these lines. Some company wanted him as a consultant but when he gave them his hourly consulting rate they only offered him half, so he said “that’s cool, I’ll only tell you half of what I know then”.
Video: “uhhh ohm, we really need you for this job”
Reality: “Okay, we respect that. Thanks for coming. Next!”
😂😂
Know your worth. If your current employer doesn't value you for what you are worth, then take your skills, experience, education and other qualifications elsewhere.
I've had bait and switch interviews before. They offer a range, the low end being "bare minimum requirements and experience", and the max being "could walk in today and running smooth tomorrow".
They'll hire the latter, while trying to convince them that they're the former, and offering the lowest end of the pay range. That's when you laugh, get up and shake a hand, and say thank you for wasting your time and, more importantly, mine. I won't recommend any of my colleagues to apply here, either." Then walk out, and don't communicate with them again.
The last bit about giving the company 48 hours to get back to her was a bit much lol
Why? Employers are more than happy to take several weeks, even months to subject applicants to multiple round interviews and shit for even the crappiest jobs. If it were me I’d give them 24 hours.
It's disturbing how companies just exploit employees.
Problem is that the kids straight out of college with zero experience try to pull this too. It does work when you have actual proven marketable skills, but when You've only worked as a barista and never paid any of your own bills, can't effectively use a spreadsheet and ask for the world, with that attitude, you will forever be a barista. But use it as motivation and start your own coffee shop, it'll give you the business experience to be marketable after.
You've got to ride the struggle bus to get to where you want to go, there is no shortcut.
However i will agree the executive suite has completely raided the coffers of most corporations. It's a morality issue and unfortunately the issue is pervasive to most of society. Narcissism and greed are the law of the lands at the moment unfortunately
"I know my worth."
Ma'am, you're interviewing for a cashier position at McDonald's.
😂🤣😂
Except theyll just tell you that their looking for something more specific and that your qualifications dont actually perfectly match with their needs, so they aren't worth that much.
I had this happen once my asking was over by 15k what they could offer. I bartered half day fridays and its actually been super nice.
Yeah, for those of you who think this won't work, think again. If you TRULY have the qualifications, your salary requirements will be accepted. It may not be by them, but someone will. At my current place (been there 8 years), I initially had an interview and told them my requirements. They told me that it may be more than they could afford. I stood my ground and told them to think about it and let me know. I wasn't in a rush to find a new place and would only accept offers within my guidelines. Literally, a month later, almost to the day, they called me in for a second interview. During that interview, they hired me on the spot and then offered me cash to stay for the rest of the day/week and help them. I took the offer and made almost $2k cash in two and a half days. My official start date was the following Monday.
Yess, There you go❣️