My (Honest) Frustration With Anti-Woke Reviews
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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This video is just a preface for some review videos I plan on releasing soon. I just want to be clear from the jump where my head space is at. I'm more so agitated with universal and timeless values represented in films than identity traits, casting. Don't get me wrong, I'm FULLY aware of why these things are sometimes used, and I WILL talk about that. But...
There is the temptation to try to fit into a black/white RUclips niche, but I don't want to play that game. I just wanted to give you a heads up that things might be sort of grey. And I think as long as its honest, that's okay.
Of course, let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
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Hasn’t even started yet but I wanna chime in and say, this is important. People get so lost on being anti-woke that it just becomes like an echo-chamber/mindless cult similar to the uber-woke. Don’t become what you hate, allow yourself to disagree with your heroes.
I've been saying this for a while. I used to be more "woke" if you want to call it that. Then I began to see many people just becoming the thing they hate. So I became a bit more "anti-woke" and began seeing similar behavior. Which just pushes me more to the middle, which is where I expected I was all along. We just need to be careful, and do our best to see things objectively and try to not get that mob mentality.
Not the case for me. Every single thing I’m interested in ends up having some woke element.
That's right. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and that isn't always good.
@@TheEffectOfMass If it helps when I was in the same mindset as you I reminded myself what hate leads us to. "I am a great soft jelly thing."
@@TheEffectOfMass it isn't much about being woke or not, both sides have these loud groups representing the left and right to extreme levels that the majority are pushed aside or forced into their narratives by force and scares. I have always been progressive but what the woke cult (and there is a difference between being "woke" and the woke cult) are doing is the same thing as the fascist right. Both are ideologies of faith and fantasy, not grounded in reality. People need to realise that it isnt one or the other side, it is about being a decent person that hasnt anything to do with deluded morons that try to twist reality into their own narrow worldview of black and white in everything.
I used to enjoy anti woke reviews. but at this point, I have "got the point".
you don't need to tell me why the woke thing is a problem. I already know. and this is not something I need to be afirmed in.
I alrtready know more or less what the issue with any particular woke product will be, because I understand the flaw in their philosophy. I'm just not interested in hearing the same thing again and again.
I would say until the companies pushing it get the point and stop it will keep happening because people are getting tired of it.
@@SnipingIsFun oh I'm entirely done with the companies. I'm not interested in any "it's not that bad though!" things. I have 2000 years of reading to castch up on, I'll be fine if I never see a new movie as long as I live.
Well in this video Kim is arguing for wokeness and wanting more “representation” of people that are of “skin color like me” so that’s pretty gross to me. After all these recent years of having people be racist towards white people and pushing certain narratives when everyone decent is just asking for fair treatment, I say a definitive no to pushing for biased representation of any race and only want the best person suited for the job, period. That shouldn’t be too much to ask. You’d think someone with understanding of what’s happened in the past would be against that for the future in the opposite direction, but if not it’s revealing of that person.
Aye, I have been feeling this quite a bit as well. I reckon it's okay for you to move on and look at other content (algorithm willing) as their message maybe for people who have yet to hear it. That doesn't mean I don't want a more balanced look at these things, and this was a nice video to see.
Thanks for keeping NUANCE alive. I believe we are somehow being manipulated into "if you're not with me, you're against me / us and them" - divide and conquer oldest trick in the book ... to the point that it's not possible to have nuanced conversation about creativity, quality of story, content, acting, and.. representation. Thank you.
Green wants nothing more than to keep the rest of us hyper-focused on Blue vs Red, Black vs White, Pink vs Blue, Rainbows… anything, ANYTHING other than Green and what Green is doing in the shadows.
Most people are just tired of this. Here’s my take on entertainment. It’s getting ruined because the woke message is being paid more attention to by the makers than good plots, interesting characters and good dialogue. The same thing happened for Christian made movies. Now, it’s woke movies and such. But, they are not doing well. But it seems that Hollywood’s money is unending. Now, the NHL is backing off on all of the rainbow nights and such. People want to get away from politics in their entertainment. Thats one of the reasons they are buying the entertainment. Especially with all the choices we have today.
I think one of the big differences between Christian content and woke content (besides *which* message is being preached, obviously) is that Christian content was both made and marketed with the knowledge that it was for a niche market. Woke content was made and marketed for a general audience.
@@longWriter That’s true, but my main point was that if the message is all important, the quality will suffer. Recently, I watched the Kenneth Branagh “Murder on the Nile”. They did some race swapping, which was fine because the actresses were excellent. They put in Mississippi style blues which while, I like the music, didn’t fit the settings. It didn’t ruin the movie, but was mashed into it in a weird way. Historically and regionally inappropriate.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 The music wasn't inappropriate because it was historically accurate. For instance Sister Rosetta Tharpe's song "That's All" came out in the 1930s when the film 'Death on the Nile' is set. Blues & Jazz artists also moved to Europe in the 30s to escape the racism that permeated American society of that age. All of this is well documented. Film & Jazz legend Josephine Baker had been a star in Europe since the late 1920s.
@JustStoppinBy2SayHi I love Rosetta, if you are referring to the Poirot movie, it was just in the wrong setting. She was perfectly placed in the Elvis movie
@@jamesdellaneve9005 Death on the Nile took place in the 1930s in Europe. Tharpe's music was, in fact, played in Europe alongside other blues and jazz music.
100% right. We need to be more articulate with our criticisms.
I’ve noticed some people like Triggernometry saying things like “Beware the anti-woke”…. But what are Triggernometry if not anti-woke? Being anti-woke should just mean “against Wokism” - it doesn’t mean you have to be Matt Walsh. It doesn’t mean you can’t care about representation in Hollywood or can’t care about certain groups who have been historically excluded, etc. So I still want to stick up for the term “anti-woke” because woke doesn’t mean “caring about black people” (despite what some Dems would like to pretend. It means seeing EVERYTHING through the prism of race, and always assuming the worst. If you’re against that, you should call yourself “anti-woke”.
I like your analysis here, for the most part, and I’ve been wondering the same thing.
There is a difference between anti-woke and non-woke. Triggernometry is the latter. Anti-woke is people trying to get you to adopt their ideology and join in an emotional crusade. Non-woke is more about putting truth above all else, irrespective of ideologies
@@funkmeyer4614 Hmm. I see your intention with that distinction, but I personally just don’t agree. Like anti-racist versus non-racist, I think it’s better to be AGAINST racism (anti-racist). However, that does not mean we need to take IX Kendi’s or R DiAngelo’s definition for what “anti-racist” means.
@@BrianelSuperMacho in the interest of clear communication, i will stick with the definitions i gave, and also the definition of anti racist that has people getting mad at white babies, as these are the most widely accepted and understood definitions. But you do you. 😉👍 toodles
@@AmoebaInk At this point, many Black Americans just assume "anti-woke" is code for anti-Black because some of the most obvious bigots are the ones screeching daily about "woke this or that." They're usually the same people who are for banning teaching Black (or Native) American history. For instance, Charlie Kirk went on an anti-MLK rant and recommended repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act that ended segregation and Jim Crow because he feels its the source of wokeism. Kirk was repeating the same talking points of white supremacist Richard Hanania. It's all very on the nose.
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When is the last time that you've heard those moderates point to cases of white actors playing non-white roles? Have any of them pointed out how ridiculous it was of Johnny Depp to play Tonto? Do people who complain about the new Little Mermaid actress being a brown-skinned women mention how ridiculous it was that the recent movie Exodus: Gods & Kings portrayed Ramses & Moses as looking like pale skinned Northern Europeans? Egyptians 5000 years ago did not look like Christian Bale!
The whole thing about the Little Mermaid is that filmmakers deliberately set the film in the Caribbean in a setting of a mixed-race community to retell the story. Some of the criticism of the actress were blatantly ignorant, framing her casting as racist because a Black American woman had no right to the story written by a white Danish man. What? How many times have we seen remakes about Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves or Sinbad the Sailor with all white casts?
That said, anyone with basic knowledge of history should understand that the majority of Black Americans have white ancestry (and/or Native American). So, based on the convoluted thinking of those bigots, Black Americans have just as much right to the mythology of Europe as any other descendant of European ancestry. Of course, there's also the basic logic that as people who've lived in and been a vital part of American society for centuries, the mythology and stories of Europe are central parts of American culture and belong to Black Americans.
It's also funny that people ignore that the history of Hollywood is one of race swapping and brown/yellow/red/blackface by white actors. John Wayne played Ghengis Khan, the great Mongol leader! Natalie Wood wore brown makeup to play Puerto Rican Maria in West Side Story. Yul Brynner played the king of Siam (Thailand!) in the King & I. Angelina Jolie used brownface to play a light-skinned Black woman in a Might Heart. And on and on and on. But you never hear any of these anti-race swappers ever mention these kinds of examples. Why is that?
Yes, many Black folks would rather see Black characters, old or new, portrayed on screen. Why would there be a need for a Black Clark Kent when there is Val Zod or President Superman, two Black Kryptonians with established histories. That makes perfect sense.
But making Heimdahl a Black man is no tragedy sin when Marvel revamps the backstory of the Aesir to be aliens whose godhood is more a case of cosmic evolution than the supernatural. Thor explains that what humans perceive as magic is their highly developed super science. Why is the fact that mythology has always portrayed Thor as a redhead but Marvel portrays him as a blond not as controversial?
Finally, there are the cases of authors who wish to revise their works for the screen and decide to change the backgrounds of their characters to better fit their vision. Why shouldn't they have that right? It's their work. And, frankly, adaptations of books have been reworked for the screen for ages.
It's called " hate watching "
It's honestly sad because nothing stands a chance . It doesn't even give the actors a chance.
Damn. You hit the nail on the head. I’m getting tired of the culture war. Woke Vs Anti-Woke. It’s all annoying and I just wanna watch what I wanna watch.
Anti woke people are just as bad as the people they criticize, some of them also tend to be hypocritical at times. Another great discuss vid.
I’m glad you’re also criticizing conservatives because oftentimes when people leave “the woke left” I don’t know how else to put it they start making fun of people. I’ve seen it on both sides. I was never on the left I grew up conservative but then I eventually got tired of consuming conservative media just because of how polarising it is. I’m independent, politically but am still conservative on my views on abortion and lgbtq rights. Other than that I can’t be on either side because people are more concerned with proving each other wrong and shaming each other than they are about bringing this country together.
As a Christian and as a mixed feelings Trump supporter myself, some conservative narratives, even though most of it is true, but their narratives are a mixture of exaggeration or polarization. And to be honest with you I don’t think conservatives should be making fun of them or kind of like be very smart Alec about them.
The problem with The Little Mermaid is not the fact that she's black, it's the fact that they take an established character that are so iconic and loved and change it to diverse it no matter how talented or not. I have a lot of frustration with race swapping in general and can't be changed without pissing people off. It's unnecessary and uncreative even though there are some that I liked despite those issues. Iconic or not. I hope you understand where I'm getting at and I think you did a good job on what you do. Stay safe
Thank you Kimi! Even if you may not get many likes and views, I enjoy your 'grey' videos a lot more than the super polarized stuff I see every day.
Thanks for this video, Kimi. I love that I can tune into your channel and always get a well-thought-out and nuanced perspective that is fair, well-intentioned, and eloquently delivered. Thanks for all the work you do; I really think it is important in helping people take a step back and remember what is truly important, instead of getting bogged down in all the polarizing narratives that we are bombarded with every day. Keep up the great work! ❤
The problem with Halle Bailey playing Ariel the little mermaid is that she looks nothing like the Ariel we loved for decades.
People are frustrated with race swapping, because it's not real diversity just a cheap marketing move. People rather want more original POC characters, not just some lazy repainted white chatacters. Like look at Moana or Encanto, no one complained that the main and literally every other character is a POC. Everyone loved the characters and both movie was a big success.
Also, race swapping inherently promotes a stupid and racist ideology. That you can't truely like or "identify with" a character if they don't have the exact same skin color as you. What an absolute BS!
I literally grown up on watching Wesley Snipes' Blade trilogy. And despite that I'm not a badass vampire killer, a black guy or even american, I loved him. That was my childhood.
I would hate it watching some pale ass blue eyed blonde guy playing the Daywalker in the next film. It would just feel wrong, like someone cutting off your favorite uncle's face then putting it on and trying to convince you that they are the same person.
Except Bailey's appearance didn't bother everyone. I saw a screening out in the suburbs. The theater was filled with parents with their kids, who were all having a fun time singing along with the movie. People who didn't like Bailey could watch the multiple Disney films and TV episodes featuring original flavor Ariel. Adults need to sit down and let a new generation have its own Ariel.
More recently, there's been the weird anger that a Latina is playing Snow White even though the actress is of Spanish & Polish ancestry. How is that casting actual race swapping? Spain & Poland have always been a part of Europe, right?
Race swapping only seems to be an issue when it's a person of color in the role. How often do we see white northern Europeans playing characters from ancient Egupt or the Bible? Those were people from Africa & West Asia. Turn on the TV and look at the people who live in the region. Most of those folks would not be accepted as white in Europe. That's certainly the reality of immigrants from the region who live in Europe today. Israelis certainly make it clear that much of their country's population is non-white because of large number of Mizrahi Jews, (whose ancestors did not migrate to Europe) and the Ethiopian Jews.
Remember when Johnny Depp played a Native American in 'The Lone Ranger'? He even lied about having Native ancestry when the only non-white ancestry he has comes from a Black woman way back in his family's history. There was also Angelina Jolie who darkened her skin and tossed on a web to play a black Cuban woman in 'A Lonely Heart.' Jake Gyllenhall played a Persian guy in 'Prince of Persia.' An almost all white cast of actors played the real-life group of MIT students in the film '21.' The history of Hollywood is filled with white actors playing people of color.
Completely agree with you! Regarding “The Little Mermaid” casting, Halle Bailey 100% deserved and earned the role of Ariel. She didn’t just get casted in the movie because of some nefarious “woke” agenda. She was chosen for that role because she’s talented and they felt that she was the best choice for the role. For people to always correlate “diversity” with a “woke agenda” is to discredit the talent, hard work, and worthiness of someone to fulfill certain roles. To add my own take on this famous quote to apply to this situation: Halle should not be “judged by the color of her skin”, but by the “content” of how she portrays that character…the character of Ariel, that is. Really enjoyed hearing your analysis of this!🎉
The thing that really feels wrong to me about the casting of Halle Bailey as Ariel is all this people that were celebrating from minute one that she was a black actress playing Ariel, because representation. That I don't understand and I don't agree. That doesn't make any good to Halle Bailey or any other actor that happens to be a person of color. Don't celebrate that she's a black actress playing Ariel, celebrate that she's a talented actress playing Ariel. That's how you get not only representation but a representation of quality that puts people of color in the place that they deserved. For instance, does anybody care about Samuel L. Jackson, playing Nick Fury that it's a white character? No, because he's freaking Samuel L. Jackson and he's a killer actor. And the color of his skin has never been the center of the conversation, it has always been his talent. That's how it should be. And Halle Baily, doesn't deserve anything less.
@@Haghenveien totally agree with you! Well said!🔥🎉👏
Video hasn't been released yet, but I also feel like people hate just to hate. Don't get me wrong, I get that there's an agenda that the media is trying to set. But I also know how people will review a movie before the movie even comes out. To me, the movie could be completely terrible, but I also feel that anti-woke reviewers are judging them much worse due to the fact that they are against the concept. A woke movie could still end up being a good or decent movie, but if you already going in thinking it's going to be terrible, that's probably how you are going to go out.
I don't support many of these movies by the way or their many race-swapping decisions, but I think it's important to try to remain unbiased when it comes to the movie itself.
If they make any changes like that I see it as a massive red flag. As do I for their marketing when it pushes crap such as "for modern audiences" and how they go after people who don't kiss their ass.
Nailed it!
@@Nyonyozimusichonestly why wasn't static shock mentioned in this video because that was a show that was pretty much ahead of its time
Here's my thing static shock was a what's a black character and for me your the argument that certain things you know you can have characters or anything in media that is rate you know that basically is blocked off it doesn't make as much sense to me is because sometimes you're basically making the the argument that in some regard that a lot of things were just blocked off because of that character's race or any of that that show for tackled serious issues and honestly the very first episode talked gangs we can't really make the argument in Hollywood which was a show that was ahead of its time...
Basically that hard for me to word this in a way that doesn't seem rude racist or pretty much crappy because in my head there's a certain way I'm trying to word this and it's just not easy because this one shows that it the value of your argument is kind of partially flawed because this was made to challenge the ideals of a lot stuff as kid show I grew up watching and I wasn't even black but I adored the characters I adored the stories and even as a kid seeing you know things that were pretty much you know issues that were tackled a lot more maturely and a lot more better than they are now and I think it's more of a writing and await a way things are handled compared to just in general
I've been waiting for this someone to make this kind of video for a long time. Well done, Kimi. And thank you.
If something is good, it's good. Regardless of a race swapping, or some other identity controversy. Something like the new Little Mermaid, well, 1. we don't need it, and 2. it's based on a Danish folk tale(?). I mean, it smells of the 'forced diversity' issue that does permeate the Hollywood machine at this time. But, no, I'm not going to rant online about it. The real issue is that representation in the arts should come from an educated and authentic place. But... it's not. It's coming from MBA grads who hire from (largely) inarticulate "artistic" class who are not educated. (Educated meaning people who can apply a deft hand to projects requiring nuanced, or delicate approaches.) And speaking of Christianity? Yeah, not sure any Hollywood film is capable showing Christianity in a good light, even if faith is not the primary topic of the project. Appreciate your channel! Just my $0.02.
It's not that 'there is a black person in the cast'. It's the substitution of characters to pander to racial politics. It's not a moral issue. It's cultural appropriation. It's changing history/cultural legend to satisfy the mob to make money. Instead of high jacking another culture's stories, write stories of black people that are actually in history. There are many. Instead of high jacking stories already written to represent sexual/gender identity, write your own. I'm saying this as a Native woman. We have tons of oral and written traditions that can be made into movies. Instead of making Cinderella Choctaw. That's the issue with me. No one stands on a moral high ground while they try and erase another culture or gender. I choose to be a conscientious objector and not see the politically steeped movies. It's that simple. If one does not like the lay of the land, one does not need to vacation there. You have a choice.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." -Freddie Nietzsche
Oohh Kimi I agree with you so much!!! And honestly, this never bothered me. Even when "wokeness" pissed me off, representation or even "the wrong ethnicity" in a role never bothered me. Like it just didn't and doesn't. I think it's kinda interesting. And I agree about the stories that actually are about other people and groups! Always been a fan. You're so right as well that we shouldn't assume everything else just because of open mindedness in one area. It's not a bad thing to show different stories and it does depend on how it's done.
Always insightful Kimi, keep the commentary coming!
Great points. At this point, "woke" has become a watered-down catch-all term that primarily serves to identify group affiliations. Unfortunately, this is where rage farming leads.
A calm collected conversation about these movies would probably reveal a lot interesting motivations for these story choices
One can be anti-woke without denying problems exist, unfairness exists and change needs to happen. This is why I follow you, Kimi. You do not let a label dictate your thoughts and ideas but rather come from a place of honest contemplation and discussion.
You're right about our mindset Kimi. I will say that I work for the film industry, and I will say that wokeness is a plague and it is indeed shoved into everything at every level. I remember one instance of an old black man teaching a younger black man the "teach a man to fish" proverb whilst giving him life advice, and the young actor literally stopped the first take because he thought that this mindset was racist. Then everyone (especially the white people) took him seriously except for the old black actor. lmao... BUT if we let these things stab us and simmer within us the same way that you did as an activist with your percieved racist slights, we will become the same way.
I will say that I'm much more critical of Hollywood than you are regarding its subversion of the American people. They see themselves as thought leaders rather than entertainers and most of what they do is to try to "help us change" (an oxymoronic idea coming from most of these shallow people). That said, what you said about forgiveness and achieving peace in your leaving wokeness video was extremely poignant and and really struck a chord with me. It definitely applies here and it is definitely true that many people on the right (specifically the cultural right, i.e. anti wokeness) are looking at media and waiting to be offended by it. This is not healthy.
I recognized this in myself and simply stopped watching new movies or tv shows made in America over five years ago, because the little things would grate on me bit by bit and add up to become something upsetting... but I am starting to wonder if that isn't the right thing either.
If by some miracle you find and actually read all this, I would really be curious to hear your thoughts on what I've said here. Cheers, a white man and new subscriber from New York.
*The edits on this comment were just minor and grammatical. I got so into my thoughts here that I forgot to dot my is and cross my ts.*
Thank you for speaking on this Kimi. For what it's worth, I thought the little mermaid casting choice was absolutely perfect. I would be hard pressed to find an actress of any ethnicity who looks more mermaidy. To me she looks like she was born for the role of a pretty aquatic princess! It's really counterproductive to throw shade her way over a fairy tale, when there are so many bigger fish to fry. There's definitely a portion of the anti-woke thing that is beginning to spin out of control.
Love your channel and your fair perspectives. Commenting mainly for the algorithm! Keep it up.
You are one of the most sane people out there right now! Keep fighting the good fight!
You are trying to deal with two separate issues and treat them as one.
One issue, specifically the issue with the live-action Little Mermaid, is that for over a decade there has been almost non-stop talk about "white-washing" characters in movies (i.e. Jake Gyllenhaal in Prince of Persia and Scarlett Johansson in Ghost in the Shell). However, increasingly, we are seeing historically "white" characters (and sometimes real historical figures) being portrayed by non-white actors. Making this issue worse is that if you point this out, you're labeled a racist. The vast majority of us have no problem with non-white people being in our entertainment as long as it isn't a part of "white-erasure".
The second issue is "wokeness" in our media and entertainment. Most peoples' complaints here are about how they cannot escape the current agenda. Most people aren't trying to be hardcore activists for whatever the current thing is. Most people just want to be able to veg out at the end of the day and watch good and engaging stories without having to be bombarded with political narratives. This has become such a large problem because people are now so overstimulated with it that even a small infraction in an episode has most of us ready to ditch the entire series. A long-time running joke had been that most shows make it to season 3 before injecting political agendas or gratuitous sex and that that was when the story started to suffer. But now shows are focusing on the agendas and flagrant sex in S1E1 and almost never consider actually compelling stories. Sadly, there have been several shows that did have serious potential story-wise that have been shunned because agenda and sex was given the leading role.
Genuinely hit the nail on the head, here
Yes, Kimi, please do a review of Chevalier. After hearing how much they twisted history with The Woman King, I just don't know how much of Chevalier will be accurate. With your review, we can be assured it will be closer to the true history.
Where was this video back in 2021?!? This is my exact issue, diversity is good, pandering laziness is not
I'll just say that recasting white characters as black is giving me the impression that the producers of these movies think it would flop otherwise (or regardless). They need it attached to a well known title. They're scared to create an original story with a black character because they think "only black people will see this". I'm mainly talking about Disney. They tried to make The Princess and the Frog and not only was she a frog for more than half the movie, it did meh at the box office. They're cowards, lets be honest.
I have followed you for some time and am impressed by your desire to speak the truth. Your testimony of being freed from the CRT/Marxist/ Postmodern mindset (I’m using those terms rather loosely as a sort of short hand to save time), your description of your personal deliverance and your continuing growth as you have become more immersed in the true gospel of Jesus kingdom, is truly inspiring and encouraging.
On this anti woke matter I think you are 100%right yet again. I share your frustration (despite being a white male evangelical of 70 years plus from the Uk - ie from a very different background to you). It is all very well to criticise, what we need is a corresponding explosion of creative stories based on truth.
I wish you well in your attempts to make a contribution to this end and will pray for you to have favour as you seek to be faithful in your walk with Jesus. May God bless you richly.
Ps have you heard of the book and film “Nefarious” by Steve Deace. I’d be interested to see your review of that film.
I guess for me when making a character diverse it should come down to an artistic choice rather than a forced ideology. I still prefer the black Green Lantern from Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. Shimada Death is still what Captain Marvel was supposed to be.
I don't have to work hard at all to be anti-woke - I literally just avoid most poorly written movies, TV shows and games. That eliminates 99% of what's out there for me and I'm all the better for it.
I have been binging your videos, and I seriously appreciate your insights and heart. Thank you for going into the grey, for not slaving yourself to the algorithm, which so many creators here end up falling into and I have to turn them off. I also have to say, as a non-religious person who goes by a more humanist philosophy, I REALLY like the way you discuss your faith, they way you bring it up always makes sense and you can totally articulate how your moral compass is guided through that dialog with faith.
Same. Are there other nuanced RUclipsrs you can recommend? I'm lost in the YT algorithm 😂
You know, having diversity in the cast isn't new---shows like Ghostwriter, Winx Club, Captain Planet, the original series of Star Trek, and loads of others had a mix of races in their main characters. It pre-dates wokeness by decades.
But you're right: associating wokeness with diverse casts is getting people to dislike and mistrust diverse casts.
If only it was only about anti-woke reviewers. We're dealing with a literal flood of low effort reviews and opinions.
I hope AI will filter these videos out of trends and recommendations.
My sister in Christ,
What we are so upset with is the altering of well established characters. It is lazy. It is conquest. It is an attempt to alter history. It is an agenda.
I don't want Muhammad Ali played by George Clooney or Theodore Roosevelt being played by Kevin Hart. Actually I might want that second one- could be hilarious. The point is don't mess with established characters. The little mermaid should stay Dutch. That doesn't mean we can't have African mermaids. In fact people in my "anti woke" camp would be very happy to watch an ORIGINAL film with new African characters. You can look at the success of Wakanda Forever as an example that shows what people are upset about is not diversity but forced diversity, especially in remakes of well loved works with established characters. We want new stories instead of retconning stories that were already good.
The other reason why we are pushing so hard against the woke agenda is that it is ruining film. Film is supposed to be entertaining. Not devoid of color, dry, humorless and worst of all preachy. Diversity is good, but it needs to feel natural and not forced. The best way to make film more diverse is to create new stories where all races are presented in a positive light but most importantly this CANNOT BE ADDRESSED! The moment dialogue draws attention to the diversity, it becomes a quota, a moral lesson, a boring or patronizing sermon, and it ceases to be entertainment. It's about showing people a better way, not telling them a better way, not insulting them. All of these films with strong women saving helpless cry baby men. All these replacements of beloved characters with new races is not being done from a good place.
It's about time writers started writing again instead of trampling on the works of better writers who came before them.
I am going to watch Chavalier. He sounds awesome. I am not going to watch Jada Pinket Smith's fake documentary where she race swaps Cleopatra because that is an evil agenda to erase history.
Everybody hated Velma, no matter what side of isle they were on. Common ground on that one, if both sides paid any attention to that! I agree that its really unrealistic to think that big conglomerates that make a lot of movies have any ideology to push, "woke" or otherwise.
Thanks Kimi. I think we all benefit from learning about the struggles and injustices in this world. Awareness is good, but obsession is dangerous. The effort and energy that many people are investing into so called anti-racism might make some people less racist, but I also see that some people have the opposite reaction and they actually become more racist. Literally everything becomes about race, and this is poisonous. In addition some people have a heart of revenge when they pursue justice, and this will lead to tragedy. I don't have a solution to suggest outside of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and for many of us even our Christian faith won't be enough to protect our hearts and minds. We need to pray a lot!
The reason for lots of the anger is the double standard. They wouldn't allow someone with a pale shade to play someone like Martin Luther King.
Do you have an example of a black man playing an actual white man? Not one thats fictional? And even furthermore MLK’s skin is the reason he was who he was and the journey he went on, his skin is legit his life story
@@MattyCamachio A black actress recently played Anne Boleyn in a British TV drama. The fact she was of European ancestry was integral to her story. It is no different to a white man playing MLK.
@@alunjones3860I just looked it up and I won’t defend that, I can see for art purposes to make that change, like to make MLk white to maybe help people who wouldn’t empathize for a black man maybe but I think if it race/skin color was integral in their life it shouldn’t be tampered with
@@MattyCamachio I agree with you about MLK, but the same should also be true for Anne Boleyn. Neither would be acceptable, yet I bet you that a white man playing MLK would have had far greater backlash, hence why I'm right to point our the double standard.
@@alunjones3860 I’m agreeing with you about Anne, the same thing I was saying about MLK applies for her as well, it should be a white woman playing her being as her heritage played a major factor in her being her
Thank you! You are sifting through the nuances. Ideologues deny nuance so they can paint everyone and everything with a broad brush. We need more people like you!
I agree that we need diversity in media, but I actually want new original characters that could be introduced in old stories, but I prefer they have their own stories and be protagonist of their own stories, I don't believe this is imposible to do, we just need proper writers that really want to create a good new story.
If we have Spawn and Blade in comics why we can't have more new good characters from various cultures and race?
Hollywood hasn't been closed off to anyone for years. The cast was been fairly representative of the population in the 2000s, before all this rubbish started. Now, the problem is they're just throwing diverse people in just to tick boxes.
There is a backlash going on. The pendulum will eventually come back to the center
"...love of money produces evil...". Right on. The anti woke reviews are as bad as the woke ones. Truth separate from any ideology and without hate for anyone would be ideal.
The issue is the trend of sloppy seconds race-swaps, instead of creating or adapting entirely new stories to accommodate the representation these studios claim to value. For as long as wokeness exists, the anti-woke reviews are necessary. I don’t watch them, but new people are born daily, and culturally dominant ideologies need pushback. I find the “antiwoke is just as bad as woke” comments disingenuous. One is populist while the other has all the institutions, one wouldn’t exist without the other.
Great point! We can't get stuck in an ideology
That is like the saying that lincoln and many other obviously white chatacters in history were black. I am NOT racist. But next we will have a 1776 where they were all black forefathers
🤣There is a RUclipsr who has me side-eying a lot of reactors and commentators lately. He is actually a decent sized reactor himself who occasionally drops some insightful commentary too. He said that, based on his interactions with some of these people off-screen, he realized that most of what we see are just projections, sometimes the very opposite of their true selves, carefully crafted to get more views. It doesn’t matter if they are ‘Marilyn Monroes’, hiding their intelligence to capture simping hearts (he was referring to the perception that overshadowed Marilyn's amazing intellect, and he wasn’t implying that she was or acted dumb in real life), or if they are ‘Anti-Woke’ and use their wit with brutal abandon. It’s all just a show to cash in from ads, paid subs and merch.
This is not a big revelation, of course. As babies, we learn to repeat actions and expressions that consistently get us what we want from others. I just wish I could go back to being blissfuly desensitised than being suspicious of hidden motives and manipulations hiding in every Terminator movie reaction😂
Thank you for the intellectually stimulating content.
It's kinda nice to see someone who isn't extremist
Totally agree
I agree 100%. Thank you for your real and fair perspective as always
very interesting take on this topic and might I and might I ad, valid as well. great content.
it depends all about good or shit writing of a story.
Getting blocked reacting to you. Peace, Love!!
You can bank on the rest of the movie being CRAPPY if they race/gender swapped the main characters. All the other left wing "MESSAGE" talking points are in there too.
Hi. First, I think you misunderstand the intent of people who hated the casting of Ms Bailey in the Little Mermaid. Most are quite clear in their racism. They hate the fact that a brown-skinned woman, a woman of African origin, is playing mermaid Ariel. They often go into great detail that the character was created by a Danish author and Ariel represents white European mythology, etc, etc. It's really gross and intellectually dishonest. They ignore the obvious that Disney's Little Mermaid was an American production that has been distributed globally for decades, making it not only part of American culture (cherished by Americans of all backgrounds) but also deeply part global pop culture. Those same critics vociferously demand that only someone of white European ancestry should play Ariel, ignoring the obvious that Ariel is not only a fictional creature but that Bailey, like most African Americans, has white European ancestry. (If you dig deeper, you'll find that these same critics are selective in their outrage against "race swapping." It's OK that white European actors portray ancient Egyptians or biblical characters who were people of color. (You miss the point of the outrage against Velma. Yes, the writing was not good. The true unforgivable sin was that Velma was portrayed as a dark-skinned South Asian woman and not as white. )
Secondly, I don't understand how a biography Joseph Bologne falls under "representation." The Chevalier St George was a historical figure. If the subject of a biography is a person of color or queer, does that automatically make it a representation project? Bolonge lived an extraordinary life and his race was a factor in it because of the social, legal, and political realities of the time. It's impossible to separate how his Blackness affected his life. The mere fact that he was of African ancestry meant that his father could not recognize him in his will. Moreover, the horrific Code Noir laws of France governed Bologne's life and the lives of other African-descended people. Bolonge's music was censored after his death specifically because of his race.
Thirdly, I would encourage you to read the biography of Thomas-Alexandre Dumas: "The Black Count: Glory, Revolution, Betrayal, and the Real Count of Monte Cristo" by Tom Reiss. Dumas, the father of the Alexandre Dumas (author of 'The Three Musketeers') was a peer of Bologne and one of France's greatest generals. The parallels of Dumas' and Bologne's lives are obvious in how no matter how talented, intelligent, ambitious, or determined they were, their mutual Black ancestry inevitably was used against them.
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Just found you. Very interesting.
You know what movies would be considered "woke" in the 80s..hong kong action films with powerful female fighters...and the anti woke criticism would be " WAHMEN FIGHTING!!"...This is why...i hate anti-wokism..its a very cynical way to see movies...I always side with woke..sure i understand corps using it for their benefits..but at this point I rather see people have more empathy with things rather than having a cynical shit with every aspect of enterrainment...and hopefully it makes people dive deeper to what actually being woke is all about, rather than its face value..I dont believe this 50 50 thing..I think anti-wokism is not a form of criticism. Its just another form of bigotry, sexism etc...painting itself as legitimate criticism..
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There is way too much focus on colors and separating people. Nobody wants to hear it anymore. I cannot stand woke stuff. I don’t think representation is the right word either. People are people, shouldn’t have anything to do with color.
Maybe I need to make my own videos. I think this video is kind of naive to the agenda of what they’re trying to do. This is a strange video. They’ve been pushing people of certain races and sexuality for a while now, that’s called racism too. Disappointed that you’re for that in the opposite direction simply because it’s favoring your skin color.
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Woke is wrong
it's so hard to understand that no one wants woke content for people who talk so much about diversity and inclusion and who, at the same time, don't accept criticism and different points of view.
No one saying that the movie shouldn’t be made but the reason these films are made is to create more divide and frustration amounts the races in the us and I never seen it but I’m not wasting my money on a film that all they reiterate is “let’s crap on white peopele for 2 hrs” and even I’m sure he faced racial discrimination without a doubt BUT they love souping stuff up, I’m not a movie gal anyway so I can live without watching them ❤
Should they have don’t their search ? Yea but Hollywood only want woke points and your money so trash gets made and they get your cash for it
Woke = Cringe