Rage Clicks: The Anti-Woke Don't Understand the New Doctor Who
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- The new doctor who is too woke, or that's what people tell me. In this video essay I break down some of the ideas underpinning right wing creator's criticisms of the 60th Anniversary special's first episode "The Star Beast". I've been watching Doctor Who since I was very young, so I was instantly able to spot how many of their ideas about the show were just wrong.The usual criticisms of Disney have come out from people who don't understand that Doctor Who has always been politically progressive. I want to mention that @MrTARDIS has done some great work pushing back on those narratives, and I would recommend their videos.
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0:00 Intro
0:50 The Gender Metacrisis
11:46 Pronouns!
17:25 Sonic Screwdriver & teleports
19:08 The wheelchair problem
22:00 Transphobic obsessions
26:25 Final Thoughts & Rage Clicks
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You have to laugh at all the right wing babies, crying woke and ratings have plunged off a cliff. Third most watched tv programme on British TV each week they aired. The Christmas special was the third most watch programme of the whole day only beaten by strictly come dancing and the masked singer. More watched Who than eastenders and call the midwife. All shows among the beebs most popular shows. They are just hilarious. More so as they keep watching even though they boast the show is dead and they are never watching again.😅
Most watched.. lowest rated...and if you don't understand why people are annoyed about how it's gone.. and accuse of being anti woke or bigotry or any other buzz word then you are part of the problem not the solution... I realise that might be a lot for you to comprehend.. but think about it.. it'll come to you.. maybe
While the wokesters try to laugh, we classic Who fans are still laughing at them for tanking the show's ratings in half compared to 10 years ago (50th Anniversary special, 12.8 million viewers; 60th anniversary special, 7 million viewers). The program has at some points lost up to 80% of its audience in the last 5 years, so cheering it for bringing some viewers back for the one-off specials, is like cheering a towing company for partly pulling a car out from the river it was dropped into. The ratings go back down from here.
@teresadesirey5449 can't even do simple math🤣 also rating didn't tank. Why is that do hard yo understand. Viewers declined over time as the trend of watching TV changed. You seriously can't compare figures from 10 years ago to today.
@@SteveODonnell Yes I can compare them, since the clearly lower ratings figure for the 60th special INCLUDED the plus 7 and plus 4 numbers (views 7 days after airing, and +4 views covering mobile and online devices). The higher 2013 ratings were for overnight ratings only. Even accounting for views from all sources, the 2023 audience is only half what it was a decade ago. The toxic woke gospel has collapsed the Who legacy and fanbase, so don't wet on our leg and tell us it's raining.
@teresadesirey5449 no you can't compare them. As less people watch TV now. You just have to look at other programmes that were on then and now to see figures from all tv shows have a lot less people watching. Partly to do with people being a lot busier and having less time but also the steady rise in streaming TV services over the past ten years. There are far more options when it comes to watching TV now and many different places to be able to watch them. Its nothing to do with content of the shows, as much as the right whingers wish it was. Doctor Who clearly can't have dropped in popularity as the specials and Christmas episodes were the third most popular TV shows in the weeks they aired. Clearly showing fans still love the show and its not been abandoned or shunned. Coronation Street also has half the viewers now as it did in 2014. So your woke argument doesn't really fly if we are seeing a ratings dip for multiple shows.
What’s funny is that most of the guys criticizing Dr Who have been criticizing it for years saying they’ll never watch it again. People who have no talent only criticize what other do.
Yeah, so, we haven't been watching it. No, sorry, we just don't watch crap. And don't watch everything the woke mob churn out, pandering for the sake of pandering.
Just like the people who dislike and complain about a video game and still end up buying it anyways.
As a trans-woman, I feel like they could've handled the Male-Presenting Time Lord line better. But thats just me
Tough shit
It might have been better if Donna said it because she has a history of making snarky remarks to him. Rose doesn't have a history with him. That might be part of it not coming off that well.
The main problem doesn't have anything to do with the show itself. It has to do with the way society is today. It used to be ok to have problems with a show and not get blasted for it. It used to be ok to like a show and not get blasted for it. But the way things are today it's very much of a "You're either on this side, or that side" mentality. This applies to almost everything, including Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, the list goes on and on. If you say you liked an episode of the show, then you get called out for being a left wing libtard, no matter how legitimate your reasons are for liking the show. Also, if you say you don't like an episode of a show, you get called a right wing racist no matter how legitimate your reasons are for not liking the show. These shows used to be a place where everyone could put all the real world BS to the side and just enjoy being entertained. But now it's become a battle ground for people to wage war on each other. To put it simply, it's just not fun to be a fan of anything anymore.
It does feel that way now, and it's too bad because it's easy to just pander to the left or right rather than having to actually think critically about what makes something "bad" or "good". Now it can just be obsessive nitpicks and vs blind glorification. A lot of people argued over Jodi's Doctor being "anti-guns". She decided to kill a spider with slow suffocation rather than a swift shot to the head after chastizing some guy about "always resorting to guns" or something. It's all fine really, but what exactly makes her method of killing better-? This bit of potential character-building and world building is a missed opporitunity. She could have said that based on (x), she knows that this IS in fact the more humane way to resolve things. But left vs right arguments will say that she is simply "correct" for hating guns or "woke" for her position on the matter. Neither of these comments offer a construvie criticism that reflects upon the universe in which they are speaking of. And then we come full circle with the actors and writers getting sucked into the "them" vs "us" argument...
I was hoping that this new Doctor and season might be better than the Jodi Whittiker seasons. Some of the episodes had really interesting premises, but do not ask me to describe any of the companions or try to describe what makes Jodi's Doctor her Doctor. I could give at least a few sentences about the personality, quirks, flaws, and tendencies of any previous Doctor, but not her. Maybe the writer(s) just couldn't realte to her character-? Some have theorized that there were too many companions and that could have made it hard to flesh out the personalities of everyone.
Even my mom who is conservative told me at the end of the episode that Rose being Trans actually works for the plot of the episode and she didn't feel it was pushy or preachy but just a normal person who happens to be Trans. She has no issue with different politics if it is well written
Anyway New Who was never conservative so I don't understand why people are surprised. The problem with 13 was not that she was a woman or woke but that the writing was terrible
I don't mind politics since I used to be left (i still have similar values, i just can say i am it anymore cause of these past few years) but all these politics of late has been way to aggressive, just lessen it plz, I mean it's a government program talking politics, to me this remind me of those government issued comic back in ww1 that was full of propaganda, imo I just want to have fun watching who again, even if its still left program, just be more nuanced with it
I also want the timeless children to be reconned, imagine if the doctor being half human quote was treated like how the timeless children was treated nowadays, it would be completely canon by now, nobody would like that, so why keep digging the hole
Doctor Who is not a government program. It openly mocks the government on a number of occasions. And a lot of government values are anti-woke anyway. Doctor Who is fighting that.
idgaf about the politics. The Timeless Child ruined it for me by changing who the Doctor is.
I've definitely got some sympathy with that
Now that the Doctor is Immortal, the show probably won't have a true ending. Personally, I think Capaldi would have been a great final Doctor. Jodie did a decent job though too.
@@wilbowaggonsMeh.
I like the idea that the timelords got their ability to regenerate from an alien child from another dimention. I hate the idea that it is the Doctor for various reasons including the fact that it makes no sense. In my own head-cannon I think the Master finally had a victory over the Doctor by tricking her into believing that she is the timeless child.
To me, the Timeless Child makes the Doctor less special
The Doctor is great because he tries to do the right thing. He helps people because it's right
Kind of like Spiderman I guess: they have great power, but they chose to do the right thing
With the timeless child, it gives off a feeling of "he was always destined for greatness" or "he's the chosen one"
Im kinda neutral to it, i wasn't 100% impressed by the new doctor who 60th but it was OK. it was honestly just a little cringey?
Idk if I got to this part of the video yet but what about the whole thing with davros being able bodied. At around 12:30 You talk about your pronouns don’t make you good or evil, etc but RTD literally removed davros’ disability because he doesn’t want disabled people being viewed as evil, which would also include the daleks technically but of course he doesn’t think like that
The ending of the episode is unnatural with the major plot element being thrown out in favor of showing off a message which can be good sometimes but not in this case
This was an important plot line to a lot of the people who came to watch the specials
It was unfair for them to waste that potential considering RTD is the one who set up for that in the first place
I think it was actually a fairly clever resolution- a meta crisis that's survivable because it is split between more people
@@antifacog8552 That part was fine, its the rest of the nonsense about being binary and non binary and male presenting timelords and letting it go which people have a problem with. Because its a shit resolution full of bad writing.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 why is it shit? It's explaining why splitting the crisis between ppl could save Donna
The writing itself could be a lil clumsy, but the notion of breaking a binary to dispel a life threatening danger isn't inherently bad writing
@@antifacog8552 That could work if they didn’t just hold hands and let it go
It was underwhelming
@@antifacog8552 I really liked the specials and enjoyed them
But I can definitely understand where some people are coming from with the bi-generation, Letting it go and confirmation of the timeless child being permanent
These are bad writing decisions
Retconning the metacrisis from literally the mind of a Timelord to just power irked me, couple of lines that were a little blunt but a decent episode overall. Was really glad Donna got a proper happy ending (for now) her memory getting wiped never sat well with me as it took away all that character growth and didnt need to be written like that. Definitely not what the haters keep pushing, they are just so desperate to get that hate click money.
What BBC needs is more people to learn they dont have to pay the license fee. People shouldn't have to pay for propaganda that encourages deviancy, and promotes division.
I do think the writing at the end of the first special is a bit clunky, but i mainly put that down to RTD being a writer that tends to not do a whole lot of versions of a script. RTD's heart is 100% in the right place, and that's the main thing for me.
Not in the right place for the majority of Dr Who fans though and when the series ends again you will wake up to this.
100% there was some clunky writing for some of the LGBT bits, mostly the ending and part of reasons Rose was able to handle the Meta Crisis powers ei. The Binary, Non Binary thing and that it happened because she was non binary?
The message was in good faith but the writing was clunkily handled and in addition Rose is a very well written character overall and I would love to she her again.
I agree the dialogue got a bit clumsy in the later scenes. The line about the Doctor not understanding because he is a male presenting timelord made no sense to me. The Doctor was a woman just hours before that scene so it seems to me he would most definitely understand the female perspective. Still loved the episode, but that was definitely clumsy.
@@loftus4453 God yes, I was screaming "what about Jodie!" at the screen at that point. He's an alien, love. He barely understands human-presenting.
@@loftus4453Except Donna didn’t know that at that point and was just ribbing him. lol
I doubt even RTD understands Dr Who at this point. Donna Noble who saw Rose's clothes in the Tardis in her first episode and found a plus that the Doctor would see Rose again even if entire universes were collapsing apparently thinks he was always gay. ROFL.
Is not his Doctor.
I'm a pretty conservative individual, I was fine with the new doctor who episodes. I didn't even really notice that there was a trans actress, (or actor I don't know what they prefer.) Story could of been a little more fast pace but that more of a personal opinion. I don't feel like we are on par with Tennant's first run on the show, but it was never meant to be that. The characters were well developed, okay story, good acting, I can't really complain. I tend to be more harsh on shows when they sacrifice character development or good story telling for making the entire identity of the character there gender preference or sexuality. This show did not do that, it was refreshing in that way, and a fun few episodes to watch. A good example, that I hope more shows fallow in the future. Character can be more than a member of the LGBT+ acronym, and contribute to the story in a meaningful way. If done well you will have a good story, and not just be shoving virtue signals into peoples faces, and more than likely you will get more conservative viewership.
If I recall, if someone identifies as a woman, her pronouns are feminine, so it's "actress" in that case.
The ‘old’ show (new Dr Who) was of mixed quality, but was 1000% better. I had already given up after Jodie Whitaker (story) decline. This new show is destroying the very idea of the show.
I didn’t like jodie Whittaker but the ncuti gatwa stuff is a good return to form
There are occasions when those opposed to the "woke" ideology mistakenly perceive me as someone who adheres to it, even though that is not the case. I do not align myself exclusively with either the conservative or liberal factions rather, I embody traits from both sides. Yet, perplexingly, on certain occasions when my words or actions have no connection to political matters, they still label me as "woke." It is truly astonishing.
It's what they do. They love creating lies about what other people think.
Great and nicely balanced and researched video. (You're wrong about the sonic sunglasses tho....)
The issue is the Timeless Child. R.T.Davis has doubled down on it. This has damaged the continuity and means the Doctor is not a Timelord, Hartnell was not the first Doctor and the show is based upon a child that was repeatedly tortured to death.
So? It hasn't damaged the continuity. I get sick of people saying this. The origin of the doctor has changed several times throughout the course of the show. And the whole timeless child storyline is set up in the classic series.
I disagree@@kennethraymondmoore. At no point in any of the other shows have they categorically re-ordered the re-generations of the Doctor. Hartnell now cannot be the first Doctor. I notice that you have not mentioned the other issue I have with the Timeless Child. I don't believe that anywhere in previous Who was there a mention of that.
In any case your opinion is your own and as valid as anyone else's. If you choose to continue and enjoy the show that's up to you. This one of the last opinions I will post on this issue as I have loved Doctor Who since I was a young child. William Hartnell will always be the first Doctor for me.
@@medrenbar Cool. Not gonna bring up that 4th Doctor ep where they gave him other, unseen lives. Wouldn't want it to be jarring, yah? 1st Doctor and Susan stole a TARDIS. That's where our adventures begins.
@@ChristyAbbey He was granted extra regenerations, this was not before Hartnell it meant he could go beyond the normal range. The stolen TARDIS has nothing to do with who is the first Doctor, the first Doctor being the first Doctor does.
@@kennethraymondmoore Yes it has, because it changed the characterization of the main character.
As someone who has been watching Doctor Who since 1982 or so, I hope the guy who said, "You couldn't pay him to watch Doctor Who," stays true to his word and stops watching. Same for the others who don't enjoy Doctor Who, they should just stoping watching. I know people who have never watched the show; that's fine. They just don't watch or talk about it.
10:39 This is an example of someone finding a good piece of evidence and drawing completely the wrong conclusion from it. Becuase, the Doctor not having any reason to give up his own time lord powers is exactly why he wouldn't think of it as an option for Donna and Rose.
Long story short Doctor Who is Ballacks now
Why is it they "deluded themselves into not liking the special"? Like, I'm glad you enjoyed the special, all cheers to you, but...not enjoying something is a thing you can do? Sometimes people just don't like something. And that's ok. You shouldn't force yourself to like the new Dr. Who special just because it's a new Dr. Who special. Plus, why did you need to bring Disparu into the mix? That dude is hilarious.
It's what extremist bigots like these anti-woke people do. They are OBSESSED with hating any representation of anyone but themselves. And then they rage about it to grift off clicks on RUclips and social media. And to try to radicalize nerd culture into bigoted alt-right political extremism.
@DavidHHH99 Literally no they aren't. That's an overdone strawman. All anti-wokeness is about is critisizing bad examples of progressivism. If you seriously think people will be radicalized by a video saying " Hey look. New Dr Who thing is bad", I think you might be crazy.
Disparu is the best one of this bunch, actually really funny. I've watched him reviewing shows when I didn't even watch the show.
@@kennethmacalpin7655 Absolutely agreed. His content is genuinely hilarious!
If you dislike something - as they all claim tor the last five years - you probably stop watching it. (As most of them have claimed they will to repeatedly. And then don't.)
It's performative outrage for clicks.
They love saying the show is going down because the ratings are going down. But I think many people just choose to stream the episodes later when it fits their schedule better. DW was the first live action show I saw with openly gay characters in it. Felt nice to be seen as something else than a joke. Giving Donna a trans daughter, and making the Tardis wheelchair accessible can do great things for the respective groups watching it. But we know the right-wing man babies can't handle not being the center of attention with non- white non-straight characters getting some spotlight.
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I don't think they were annoyed at the existence of a trans person in the show, rather that the trans person had no character and was just moaning about pronouns and using that STUPID "male-presenting" line.
I don't understand the outrage at the gay doctor, but Star Beast was rancid. I need to rewatch the Xmas special as I didn't pay much attention and thought it was cringe af and had poor acting. I've high hopes for it, though.
I just don’t like that rose is a reused name that could be confusing going forward
I get that this is kind of ironic considering the show but I think it undermines billie pipers character
I can see that being a concern- she could maybe have been "Rosie" or something
Or you can just refer to the surname, Rose Tyler or Rose Noble
Or Rose daughter of Donna
It's just a name. Nothing woke about it but apparently, before the Star Beast aired, people thought she was a race swap of Rose Tyler, which is stupid.
@@UltraZombie How? It's just a name. Is this sarcasm?
"waaa doctor who is so unrealistic now grrr"
the show abut an alien timelord who has two hearts and can regenerate and change their face, gender, and race is unrealistic..?
Unrealistic to a fault is what they mean. I wish people would stop using the 'It's unrealistic because it's fiction' argument. By that logic you could say that Gandalf flying a spaceship isn't anything to complain about because it's fiction and anything could happen. Things are allowed to be called unrealistic in fiction.
@@ajax4887 having a trans character is the MOST realistic thing in dw. people (i’m not pointing any fingers at you because i’m not sure of your views) just use the “unrealistic” argument as a way to spread their transphobia. it would be unrealistic if the doctor suddenly sprouted a tail and pranced about singing disney songs and became best friends with a deer called bambi
@@folklorelp Thank you for not pointing fingers lol. Has anyone said that the inclusion of Rose was unrealistic? I thought we were talking about the Bi-Generation and other oddities (Tardis duplication, ease of releasing the metacrisis etc...)
wdym it's not realistic I'm literally in the TARDIS rn😔😔 (jokes aside I love this comment😭)
No, it is just poorly written and acted, sprinkled with idiocy. Now, Harkness (gay) and Missy (gender swap)? Done right.
I don't agree with you that the Moffat Era was.... bad writing.
"I know thats kind of harsh on the Meep" Cog I screamed 😂
My thoughts on “Disney Doctor Who”
The Gender Metacrisis: I will say your argument that talks about the “Binary/Nonbinary” makes sense and I agree. That being said I want to talk about other sections of that part of the video that I DON’T agree with. For starters, Donna did say:
“You know nothing. It’s a shame you’re not a woman anymore. ‘Cause she’d have understood. We’ve got all that power, but there is a way to get rid of it. Something a male-presenting Time Lord will never understand. Just let it go.”
Why does being a woman have to matter when gaining this “all knowing secret” to getting rid of the time vortex? Why couldn’t it be the fact that they now have unlimited knowledge of the universe? Why would a WOMAN understand but not a man? Honestly all anyone has to do is put two men in place of Donna and Rose and put a woman in place of the Doctor to see that this speech is serious sexist. This does not feel like a friend trying to be funny but rather someone being extremely sexist to someone that literally still contains the memory of when they were a woman!
Pronouns: It felt very out of place/agenda driven considering they are in the middle of an alien invasion. I would have appreciated it more if someone misgendered Rose (who has been bullied because of gender) and she just snapped back with something pertaining to how you shouldn’t assume how someone wants to be called (which is ironically what she does by assuming that The Meep minds being called by “male centric” pronouns when up until that point it didn’t look like they cared). Controversy should NEVER be the point when trying to be more inclusive, you should just treat them like you would any character. This brings me to my next point: Shirley Anne Bingham, The Lady in the Wheelchair.
The Wheelchair problem: I agree with everything you said about Shirley being resourceful and a badass in her own right that doesn’t need a high tech wheelchair, however the writing is off for her character. I don’t like that she had a dart gun imbedded into her wheelchair instead of a normal gun that she could just quickly fire because it makes her character more “fantastical” than it needs to be (yes it’s a “sci-fi world” but she’s still just an ordinary person working for the government.) I also don’t like the line “don’t make me the problem” in response to the guy apologizing about the stairs because it’s NOT her fault she can’t go up those steps. In my opinion she should have said “there’s no time, just go” because while it’s not fun dealing with places that are not accessible, she is used to this happening. That gives the character much more depth.
While I don't agree with the whole
"Too woke" thing I will admit they have a point with the whole "you know nothing" line
Because if Donna and rose used there meta crisis to build some machine or some syfy gadget with the help of the doctor it would come off as a joke twords the doctor from Donna
But when rose and Donna just grab hands and basically go "bug dangouris thing in our heads that's gonna kill us? Nuh uh" and then the metacrisis is just gone somehow which makes it seem like less of a joke since the doctor is actully kinda stupid if a solution that obvious as just, getting rid of it by wanting too slipped his mind
Edit: Originally wasn't gonna say this but I'm always glad to see some disparu getting talked about
All of his criticism is one of four things
1: taking a line out of context and changing the meaning behind it
2: complaining about stuff that has literally nothing to do with the episode
3: pointing at the screen and saying somethings bad but not elaborating
4: straight up lying about what happens in the episode
It's ok to have themes that promote trans and gay rights. The only reasonable complaint is that the majority of established fans are suddenly expected to adapt to a very different message that wasn't the original reason for becoming hooked on Doctor Who. The ones that lose interest might be wholly replaced by new coming viewers but that's unlikely, as borne out by the experience of the latest Disney films that have championed minority heros instead of (rather than as well as) people that the majority of the audience relate to. At the end of the day, if producers want to make as much money as possible, they should have high profile characters that reflect the majority of potential viewers. Otherwise, it's fine to make stories that focus only on minorities' opinions, but be aware that it will make less money. For some (wealthy) producers, that's a price well worth paying which is fine as long as they are aware of that. I'm gay, by the way, and really don't mind watching straight heros in films and series, particularly as straight people are all around me as the overwhelming majority. It's how societies work.
Except it wasn't wholly focused on Trans identities, and it doesn't seem to have put people off at all.
…what different message?
I don’t recall the episode where Eccleston warns us against trusting darkies & fruits.
No seriously this is the part that really baffles me; the show has ALWAYS been liberal, inclusive, progressive and “””WOKE”””. FFS it owes its lasting cultural popularity to an environmentalist anti-war story. About ROBOT NAZIS. When was the message EVER not one of forward-thinking tolerance & compassion?
Yeah I don't think you've watched doctor who at all
bro is mad
Something tells me you're a little angry.
@@Diogo85 noo I'm happy as can be🤦
@@JoshFortune-nb8wz I've watched three episodes of the new Doctor Who season and it's good IMO.
@@Diogo85 nah keep lying to yourself
2:50 well it is a line in the show wtf?
Some decent points. I guess one of the key questions is why do gender themes need to be so prominent in a fun family scifi fantasy show though, particularly when it will divide rather than unite its audience. Social themes can be terrific in scifi. Dr Who has often handled themes inconsistently and clumsily though. The guns and violence issue is a perfect example.
The real question is why it bothers you so much?
Also, it's not a producer's or showrunner's job to pander to bigots. It's THEIR BIGOTRY that is dividing people, not the representation.
@@DavidHHH99 Why does it bother me? I guess I'm of a mindset where I value entertainment over dogmatic messaging, that's why. As an example, I'm a huge fan of the original Twilight Zone, but Serling often pushed a message to the point it became awkward and heavy-handed, detracting from the drama and essentially telling an audience what to think. The most revered episodes were the ones that principally tell a brilliant story. Creators should have a voice and express views through the medium of art, but not to the point they lack critical engagement and stop inviting an audience to share a world view but instead tell them what to believe. I've learned a lot from cinema and TV, but not through simplistic crude messaging that is better served as a blog or didactic documentary that more obviously insults intelligence.
@@chrise7359 Showing that people exist isn't actually dogmatic messaging. That's an extremist lie meant to promote bigotry and exclusion and discrimination. Don't spread Nazi messaging.
Remind me of their prominence, please.
A character was trans. That’s all I remember. And the one scene insinuating that they were trans was so short & subtle that my mum - squarely part of the audience you’re talking about - didn’t even pick up on it.
@@chrise7359 Funny how you have no answer when people call you on your bigoted extremist talking points....
Pov: you shill for the wrong team.
He's not shilling for anyone. He has an opinion and the anti-woke people call anything they don't like woke.
Tbh Doctor Who died a while back, this ‘new direction’ is just the nails in the coffin
Yeah it died back in 1989. Sylvester McCoys Seventh Doctor was the last true Incarnation of The Doctor.
Not really- this is a substantial improvement on the Chibnall/Moffat era
@@antifacog8552 Chibnall and Moffat arent in the same league. Moffat had the best era out of the three showrunners.
@@generalgrievous398 Based ngl.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 Moffat was my favorite era mostly due to Missy's crazed personality, She had a fun energy in the show and I wish she didn't get shot by The Master near the end of the era and actually stayed to help The Doctor, Additionally, Moffat didn't spam The Master as the one villain above all throughout every plot in that era like Chibnall did.
(I'm sorry but The Master has so much plot armor, He should not have survived situations like Gallifrey being death-particled in The Timeless Children nor should he have survived The End of Time.
as a trans woman i have mixed opinions on the representation in the star beast.
i think there are some bits that are written quite awkwardly, such as the "did you just assume the meep is a he" which feels like a very 2016core 'did you assmue my gender' joke, and i think the bit of "a male presenting time lord wouldn't understand how to let go" felt very weirdly gender essentialist, and ignored the ending of capaldis run (peter capaldis run is the best part of the show and series 10 is the best season of the revival dont @ me), and could have been changed to be about how 10/14 have an issue with ego, especially since this is like the 3rd time he has this face (since 10 regenerated into himself that one time). the non binary bit was also a bit cheesy but i don't necessarily hate it, and being a bit cheesy is an rtd special. but the kitchen scene at the beginning is very good at establishing that rose noble is trans naturally through dialogue and i really liked that, i just felt that it could have been slightly better overall.
the rest of the specials were absolute bangers though.
but the people who are actively mad about this are mad for the wrong reasons.
As a male presenting avatar you would say that.
And?
Bro should be a lawyer on the YSL case 😂😂
What is your opinion on without the doctor the dreleks and cyberman would not exist.dont believe me. Doctor save davros as a kid and the master when he brings Missy aka the master to save the master on the spaceship. I mean without the doctor they would have never been created in the first place. There will always be a power vacuum. Where there is good there will be evil. Because without evil you wouldn't know what good is. I love the show though. I still need to catch up on the classic who so I might be wrong about this. It was just a thought. What do you the fans think?
Personally I really like Matt Smith’s era - did have some issues especially towards the end but I thoroughly enjoyed his stellar first season. That being said - grifters love it when a show like this is true to its roots but in the modern day version. It’s easy grift material
I definitely agree that Matt Smith's first season was his best- and I love him as an actor
How is it a right wing backlash? People have just had enough of politics in their entertainment
Politics has ALWAYS been a part of Doctor Who, and it's always been left wing. This is a right wing reactionary backlash from people who think the latest wave of progressive thinking is "too far" (just like every anti-progressive movement claims)
Daleks were literally based on Nazi ideology, you realise.
Particularly their violent intolerance of anything different.
…seriously why did you ever even watch this show?
@antifacog8552 hey bruh, maybe u cud explain why this series is utterly catering right now? Dr Who is essentially a dead brand cuz everything u commies touch u destroy. u literally have antifa in ur title, I just think ur mad cuz communists can't create art, they can only co op it.
This video aged like milk
What's not to understand? It's bad storytelling with shit characters, the total opposite of what this show was all about. With viewing figures of only 4.7 million for a Christmas special with a new Doctor, this show is D.O.A R.I.P Doctor Who 1963 to 2017!
"Only 4.7m" 💀 That's 7% of the UK population. Over 1 in every 20 British people were watching the show live, as it aired. And this isn't 2007. People generally don't watch live TV, especially scripted dramas, anymore. All of the specials did incredibly well!
OP post is ranting off on bad storytelling and shit characters but doesnt elaborate specifically why and almost all the characters of the video subject are returning characters
All those likes for this comment just proves the video title more. Go back to watching asmongold or actman for your fix of ragebait
Who's ranting apart from you? Go back and watch season 4, they might be the same characters, but their definitely not written the same. Can you not stand people having a different take to you? Or do you just have sand in your crack.
Donna is written the same, the doctor is written the same (maybe a little different but he's gone through alot from 11-13) those are the ones that you probably were refeering to, oh and donna's mum is written differently because if you picked up on it she started to love her daughter after the last episode of series 4, also wilf is 100% written the same.@@bbdwarrior1046
much of this episode has many open-ended interpretable content, Doctor Who has a history of open-ended interpretable content back to it's very start in the 60's. RTD engineered this episode to trend in debate, this is not my assumption, RTD himself proclaimed that he has messages and this time around the message will be told and that context will in fact trend. The problem with open-ended interpretable content is not everyone will receive the same impression. Wonder if RTD considered how his 'message' could become incorrectly perceived being contained within an open-ended interpretable content package.
The sonic thing…. After watching them all I think it’s was purposefully OP in the first special so it showed how powerless the doctor is without his toys which was a line in the giggle. I think things make more sense when you look at it as a whole it sort of clicked for me in the giggle because I thought it was ridiculous in the star beast but then made sense by the end
I like that, that's pretty insightful
It has been OP for decades at this point, they didnt have to make it more OP to show he struggles without it. Although it still doesnt really make sense because in the past whos which i have been watching he barely uses the thing and the third season he doesnt even have the tardis and he still constantly saves the day. So not sure why they are focussing on his toys being what makes him special
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For the 14th doctor it’s been millennia since he was banished to Earth as the third Doctor. He’s been tinkering with his screwdriver all that time adding features etc., using technology from a civilization a billion years older than ours. It makes sense to me that his screwdriver might have a few more features than something as simple and primitive as an iPhone.
Sometimes a little thing like extra budget can cause new technologies to exist. Think about how the Klingons changed between the original series and the motion picture in Star Trek.
I’m sure in the coming series we’ll see other new things. Look at the new TARDIS interior. I get the impression they put a lot more into this one than they did in the past. A bit clinical to my taste but it just looks a bit more expensive with the ramps and curves.
Dalek Sec can now reach the top shelf in Tesco - love it 😂😂😂
while men and women of course have different perspectives, to say that the doctor can only see one perspective at a time... I'm not to sure but either way the "friendly annoying" of the doctor just comes across as rude and not in good faith in the star beast, if the genders were reversed even as a friend to friend joke, it just wouldent be allowed. The so called antiwoke actually do put across some good points but I feel that because a lot of them are so angry and tend to read between the lines it becomes very easy to dismiss what they are saying. I'm not saying that the antiwoke are perfect and can do no wrong but I do feel this video misses a lot of what they are trying to say, ultimately they are fans of the show and as such they are rightfully angry...
What really amuses me is the notion that the episode hit us over the head with Rose's trans-gender status. I suppose all these haters (and, to be fair, many of the show's lovers as well) knew well in advance that Finney is transgender and also knew (or at least suspected) that her character would also be transgender. I actually didn't know either of these things in advance, and it took me quite a while to figure out that Rose is a transgender character. Perhaps that means I just missed an obvious point, but it could also mean that the script is indeed more subtle than the haters are willing to admit
Yeah i would never really have known she was transgender until they kept brining it up, i got it by the time they were talking in the kitchen but before then i assumed she was always a she. I am pretty sure trans people want to be accepted as the gender they transition to but this show seemed to make it seem that what is important for trans people is to be seen as different and better and that the trans part is important. Not entirely sure i get the representation here
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 Except that literally nothing of the sort was anywhere in the actual episode. You're making up things that you want to believe that the show was saying.
Why would you do such a thing?
Also nostaglia only goes so far then it turns venomous
Captain Jack is not gay he is ‘Omnisexual’
he's written as demisexual
Nah he says omnisexual in torchwood bro
@@xsm5525 Jack is many things but not demisexual.
"The people that matter" not selfish at all. They just need to be angry about something. If you actually spent any time understanding it, you wouldn't care.
For me it’s not WOKE. WOKE is a movement started in the US to highlight racial prejudice. Sounds fair to me. Plus Dr. Who has always been diverse; whether it be over ethnicity, sexuality or gender. No problem with that either. So why, having watched Dr Who for 50 years (The Green Death was the first story I saw on TV) have I decided not to watch the new era after The Giggle? Well, the easy answer is pronouns. Equality is great, but Dr Who has always been good with equality. However channeling equality through visibility when that equality already exists, that’s indoctrination. Chris Chibnall learned that lesson with the reaction to Orphan 55. (Okay that was about environmentalism but the point about indoctrination still stands). There I draw the line. Who cares whether Beep the Meep identifies as male, female or an advocado? Jasmine Finney was excellent in the show, her story was moving. As was that of Pearl Mackie’s Bill Potts. For 50 years Dr Who has been about entertainment. Now it’s about something else. It’s not Gatwa’s fault, it’s the fault of Russell Davies & influential people in the BBC. When the BBC grow up & replace Davies, I’ll return. As the viewing figures show, I’m not alone.
No, this show insults men, the character make ridiculous political statement in order to educate the audience as if we where children, this show isn't about crazy scifi tech, epic space battle and discovering the secret of DW universe, it's about new pronouns and accepting self-destrucion of the soul and the body.
It's Doctor Woke now.
Oh no! Help! My soul is being destroyed because the main character respected a trans person's pronouns! 😭😂😂
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That's not what I'm saying.
Taking hormones and doing surgery destroy the body, it is a fact.
And telling people that this vicious woke life style is the new norm.
Vice weakens people and slowly destroy them, most lgbwoke come to regret their life style after few decades.
IPs: I don't want to see real monsters while watching a DW episode, I want see fake ones.🤢🤮🤮🤮
@@Street_Cyberman one time i was to the hospital and when i come in they tell me that i have hormones in my body now and the woke doctor didn't want t take them out
@@dhooth
The human body produces it's own hormones so people shoudn't inject the wrong one to themselves.
I am a man. I was not insulted, because I'm not a snowflake and can actually take a joke.
The only thing that I was insulted by was David Fourteenant, but that's something everyone - man, woman or other - should be insulted by.
8:30 - a small point about this particular bit of idiocy: Rose actually has nothing to do with saving London. The DoctorDonna did it, she wasn't involved. Rose does save her mother, and the Doctor, *after* they saved her, along with the rest of London
FUCKING PRONOUNS
ONE HIVEMIND 😂😂
@@antifacog8552 One of the many who live in the real world you mean.
@@Urko2005 Ironic, given most of them believe in various conspiracy theories. Living in the real world, my ass! 😆
Yeah, some people got mad about that. It's hilarious and ridiculous that they did.
@@Urko2005 People in the real world have pronouns, though.
Some one that finally goes after the people that complain about woke. Even with the Doctor who Christmas special supposedly had bad ratings I looked ratings up on IMDb which probably more of an American cite I don’t know if it’s available in other regions, but with the Christmas specials ratings I checked it mostly breaks even in the mid 70’s
All four 2023 specials were the most watched dramas on all of UK television, something that Doctor Who has only achieved twice previously in its entire 60 years history - and both times under Russell T Davies.
The problem with IMDB and RT user ratings, is that they can easily be gamed by extremists review bombing as a political statement. You can tell when that happens by an unusually large number of 1 ratings. Most people who just didn't enjoy a show will give it at least a 2 or 3. But when you're ENRAGED that there are trans people or black people on screen, you give it a 1.
The BBC does their own official viewers survey of ACTUAL viewers, called the Audience Appreciate Index. All four specials have gotten scores of 83 or higher, meaning that over 83% of ACTUAL viewers enjoyed them.
The writing of the specials is only approved by Disney, they only made a few changes in the giggle’s writing iirc but others aren’t changed or funded by Disney. However, Disney did have much more creative input (saying to Russell that he needs to have a more exciting opening and what he said expensive.) and budget into the new series but Russell is of course at the helm still of writing them and in charge of how they all get conveyed.
this deserves so many more views
I came here from a guy called reapers video
This creature let’s just say doesn’t agree with you lol
I liked the episode I don’t get involved with the political side because that’s exhausting but I have practically nothing bad to say about the giggle I loved it more than anything
But yeah goddamn you can’t help but notice some people are doing videos about the episode while some are acting like it’s woke hitler forcing the doctor into a miniskirt or something lol
It’s sad really but I guess that’s life
I don’t think it’ll matter, from most reasonable peoples point of view the specials were cool
When someone moans about rightwing, when their RUclips handle is "Antifa cog"
In all honesty, the idea that non-binary people have a better perspective than most isn't one people should be averse to, because when you start exploring gender as a pluridimensional matrix rather than a dilemma or even a one/two-dimensional spectrum, the whole of life itself follows as something which can be a gorgeous bloom of endless possibilities, unlocking perspectives that you may have otherwise _never_ considered. It's why I encourage even cis people to explore gender, because even where the result is not transness but a more security in their cisness, it's a deeper and more fulfilling understanding, and _everyone_ deserves to live that joy. To me, it only makes sense that the metacrisis surfacing within Rose pushes her to realise herself as non-binary (at least that's how I and a number of enby friends have interpreted it; remember that not all of us enbies use gender neutral pronouns or neopronouns), and in turn helps her shed the metacrisis, because the knowledge of the breadth of the universe combined with the transgender experience would naturally lead to an understanding that something which has been pushed on you as inherent does not have to be who you are and that you can _joyously_ let it go. Yes, there's obviously the split of the power itself, but on a subtextual level, I think it's harmful to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because the alt right are strawmanning the baby, and is in fact all the more reason to be blatantly annoyingly trans about it and say "yes, she is better for this actually". The goal of queer rep shouldn't be assimilation, after all. That's one of the reasons I'm _stoked_ about the current Doc being played by an actor who labels themself as queer without _any_ further specification.
It's not the mysterious enigma of Doctor Who anymore. It's the timeless Child. There are no consequences, there is no mystery, no risk, and no death. The writing killed the show. U may blame older fans, call them transphobes or what have you. The fact remains, pandering, and virtue signaling to "modern audiences" pushing "the message" destroyed the show. Put it to bed for about 20 years and try again later.
I didn't like the timeless child- the video starts with me saying how bad the Chibnall and Moffat eras were, but that doesn't really apply to RTD's era. The writing was good, and the critiques of it have been poor tbh. I'm up for good critiques of Doctor Who...but this wasn't that.
@@antifacog8552 It's a mixed bag of emotions for me. I worked in video stores for years seeing the video boxes with Daleks on them wondering what the hell Doctor Who was, and never bothered. RTD's 2005 Doctor, Eccleston was my first introduction, there I saw the first Dalek, and saw his reaction. I loved it with all my heart all the way to my doctor, Capaldi. One can not have great disappointment without great love. I'm not name calling anyone anything, I'm just trying to be kind. I honestly don't know what happened, or why. The distinction for me lies in the not dying bit. There really is no point of it anymore. I want a thousands year old space alien that absolutely acts like it. Not that, not interested.
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Well if it’s any consolation, The Doctor can die.
For one, regeneration only occurs if there’s an intact body, and even then can be cancelled (Turn Left, Impossible Astronaut, various Master episodes etc).
Also, Name of the Doctor proved that the Doctor - currently, post- Division mindwipe - is biologically a normal Time Lord with a normal number of regenerations.
Of course, before Chibnal even took over, there was the resolution for that. Wherein the Doctor was gifted a new regeneration cycle by Gallifrey anyway. So Gatwa’s possibly… #4 of this 13?
Point being The Timeless Child didn’t actually change anything drastic, in terms of his survivability. So don’t let it get you down. It’s not like they were ever gonna let him get killed off anyway, as proven by that “new cycle” plot twist.
@@option3590 It's not. 13 should have been Michelle Gomez, not that mouth breather. We would have better stories, she even did a test run as the Doctor if you remember. Unfortunately, she met herself in the process.
I think with all the new people that the special and this new doctor is bringing to the fandom we can afford to lose some dead weight
I must say, you had me up until you started speculating that Russel T Davis used the pronoun scene as bait for right wingers to make videos about the show. Had to pause and come down to the comments to say that's a bit of a silly assumption to make.
We know that people who hate on the show watch clips of it on twitter rather than watch the actual show, I personally think it's more likely that Russel views the question Rose asked to be a perfectly reasonable way to ask the question, but to most people it IS preachy. And while I would agree it does lean on the side of preachy, I don't reckon the line was worth crying over like the haters have done. It's such a small bit that really doesn't matter.
But you pretty much annihilate the rest of their points, so fair play to you! Good video :D
Thank you! Honestly, that's a fair criticism! I'm just speculating about RTD's writing there!
I 100% think that it was bait to get reactions, and I don't think it's even the first time Doctor Who has resorted to something like this. They're not stupid, they know people are going to hate these lines- because whether you're anti-woke or anti-anti-woke, the fact remains that these lines just don't have the subtlety and class with which Doctor Who normally handles these things, and frankly just aren't good. The only reason you write dialogue this bad is to get people talking.
From that angle, I'm actually very upset that Doctor Who, a show I love, would use the sensitive topic of gender identity in such a way.
And how do you know that? Can you read their minds or something?
Well, speaking personally *I* do watch the series and have watched all three of the latest specials from start to finish, and while The Giggle was pretty woke and heavy-handed with it, the following two episodes weren't so bad. Although the inclusion of an Indian actor playing Sir. Isaac Newton was a bit much. It was a pretty gratuitous scene that didn't really need to be there. I've nothing against the series being political, it always has been but when it's so badly judged and the message misguided and ridiculous then a spade has to be called a spade. And RTD hasn't helped himself by dismissing any criticism online with cheap putdowns rather than attempting to make any legitimate arguments in his defense. Steven Moffat did a similar thing when it was announced Jodie Whittaker was going to succeed Peter Capaldi in the role.
It doesn't do any favors to the show to alienate a large portion of the core audience, and the decreasing ratings are evidence that whether RTD and his supporters like it or not, if things continue the way they are there soon won't be a series. And I say this as someone closer to being centrist and libertarian in my political views. And btw Jodie Whittaker for my own personal money was terrible, not because she was a woman but because she lazily attempted to do an impression of both Tennant and Smith with her performance rather than create her own individual character. She has easily been the worst actor to take up the role since the series was resurrected.
Back when the show was brought back in Series 1, there was a pro-gay message that RTD was pushing, which was all very well and good. The problem is he has a habit of underestimating the intelligence of his audience and spoonfeeding the politics and being therefore too heavyhanded. Now, he's going into full woke overdrive. I mean take what he's doing to Davros now. It started to beyond a joke a long time ago, and he's in danger of driving the series right into the ground.
@@robertmcelwaine7024 I'm in a similar boat. I love Doctor Who as social commentary, and RTD used to do that very, very well. But The Star Beast was so egregious about things that could have been handled with more class and subtlety, and The Giggle made me want to slam my head against a wall with how painfully heavy-handed the "social media bad, make everyone think they're right" message. I just wanted them to stop beating me over the head with this extremely obvious analogy and pretending it was clever. It's hard to say it, but I think either RTD has lost his touch with writing social commentary, or some higher power at the BBC is poorly shoehorning these in, possibly with the *intention* of doing so badly in order to draw rage reactions.
Wheelchairs have brakes anyway.
I don't think it's a woke issue since Doctor Who has been fairly woke since 2005. Captain Jack Harkness, Canton Everett Delaware III, Madame Vastra and Jenny are good examples of this.
I think the issue is that they are expecting a certain kind of writing that just isn't there and, since the woke aspect isn't as subtle, it's what they're latching on to. A little stupid but justified nonetheless.
The "woke" subtext is about as subtle as a blow on the head. It worked as a *part of* the story, but when it becomes more important than the story itself, then the tail is truly wagging the dog.
Vastra and Jenny were good characters who were not constantly preaching at you.
That's true
I have been waaaaaiting for a video like this.
I hope it lived up to the wait 🙏☺️ and thank you- it means a lot
@@antifacog8552 It really did. I've seen nothing but a sleuth of annoying anti woke videos that just made mountains out of molehills and no one really talking about it till now.
@@ArtyMartyD Its almost as if theres more fans angry than who like the actual episodes. Crazy
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 Not even remotely true.
If you're gonna spout bullshit, at least have the balls to say it from your real account, coward.
The general public don't seem to understand - or more accurately like - the New Doctor Who either. Ratings are a fraction of what they were during the height of the Tenant era, and continue to decline. The show looks unlikely to survive its increasing preoccupation with bureaucratic/corporate DEI messaging.
"During the height of the Tennant era" was the most popular the show had ever been. Viewership has gone up considerably- don't be fooled by live viewing figures. Most people watch online later nowadays.
Such arrogance...
@@grandmoffmiranda7909- Which post are you referring to? One of them nailed it, the other is a delusional moron.
@@antifacog8552 Viewership has been declining since the end of capaldi, jodie and the specials. They even make articles and statements about the viewership and i am sure they take into account streaming numbers too.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51I don’t know about the BBC, but I do know that American broadcasting networks still only take live viewers into account. It’s all based on the channel being broadcast on a television. Hell, last I checked, streaming services like Netflix don’t give out actual numbers of streams on a regular basis. Only when it serves them.
Love the black comedy of this video. Can't wait for the one on Disney isn't woke
[edited] The week before Shirley's big entry in the UNIT canon (pun intended). I met a lady in her legally allowed accessible parking at the mall, getting her wheelchair out, unpacking it from its folded carry state. She was sitting on the backplate of the vehile, like a badass self-efficient human who don't need to have their hand held, I didn't even ask her if she needed help. She emmitted that self determined look of "go on with your day i'm good". An individual. I wasn't surprised, I was humbled of her "being" without an political talking points needing to be a thing. I was just not thinking of how much we don't see this reality in TV shows. We might need more of a diversity rethinking on that point! And WAIT : ... I saw it Greatly portrayed days later in Who. I was happy to be felling the humility of knowing I was wrong, by having prejudged opinions at first that I recognized as such . Example How did she get to the kidnapping location / holding place of the Doctor & fam by the Meep?,Answer : ... she stayed there when UNIT got caught, the strategic soldier Shirley is got through the day like a boss after rewatch. My criticism of that perceived plot hole vanished and I was corrected by a simple rewatching of the episode)
I'm a progressive too, but your comment kinda reads like satire a conservative would make about a progressive.
You were humbled? They had an aura?
What?
It was just a regular person with a disability, one not extreme enough that they are permanently stuck in a chair, but enough that the wheelchair helps alleviate pain, and make it easier to navigate the world they live in.
Why did this elicit such a response from you?
Are you real?
I'm sorry, I am being rather picky, and if you are being genuine, I should applaud and encourage people recognising other people, you just.. you made it sound like you saw Jesus or something.
@@ChristopherCraven english is my second languarge.... i meant moreso : she had a look of determination and not of bein "cast down and powerless" ... not an Aura.
humbled : learn with humility that i was wrong on thinking shirley could not have had more resources than my prejudged learned conepts had me believe at first sight
@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 that's fair enough, I apologize for sounding too harsh, it is beautiful in a way that you felt these feelings, and I don't want to discredit that for you.
@@ChristopherCraven no problem friend! With SOOOOOO many trolls online and GOP incels wanting to sound like trolly salty SJWs would do they coul have faked such a post to low-key bash RTD.
Can anyone explain how the wheelchair woman was standing ?
I think the actress can stand briefly, but can't stay stood up or walk about for a long time
Not all wheelchair users are incapable of being out of the wheelchair. Like not all people who need glasses are incapable of seeing without them
@@antifacog8552 Which would not be particularly unusual. Some wheelchair uses can't stand at all, others can do so for a short time. I recall a woman I knew years ago who had spina bifida; she alternated between crutches and a wheelchair, I assume depending on how she was feeling on any given day.
Lets be honest. Alot of these channels that don’t like Dr Who lately make their income off not liking Dr Who. 80 percent of their content is “[insert studio/writer/producer] RUINS [insert show/movie/video game.” I don’t put too much stock into their opinions
Great video!
The issue here is these things are being put in the stories with such priority. The messaging was going in to show supposed 1st 2nd or 3rd episode didn't matter where or when, if it made since to the story or hurt it or not it was Going in. Even when it came to race swapping actual historical figures for literally no reason. It was going in. & the messaging that gets forced in is super predictable & stands out like a soar thumb. The trans person doesnt just exist she gets showered with acceptance & positivity. Told how great & beautiful she is 9 times. Then we get lessons in proper pronoun usage & get reaffirmed with the idea that male or female is not important only the way you present is. Then they have to show someone thats not on board with that way of thinking thinking. ThEy ofcourse are the black & white characters with no debth that are presented as jerks evil or just bullies. The message is clear, you are either 100% on board or you're the bad guy. There is no middle ground that will be accepted. The problem is the entire message being pushed is an idea nothing more. Most ideas are open to argument & debate & open to different levels of acceptance. Wich makes these things fun to discuss or put in tv or movies. This far left way of thinking is pretty unpopular. There is a small % of the population that is way against the tranz, gay, girl power,or racist stuff but most of the world is somewhere in the middle & will never be 100% one way or the other but, that seems completely unacceptable to this new wave of entertainers. You are 100,000% on board or your just wrong & most people don't think in those terms & are tired of hearing about it in only those terms. But the people doing these shows just insist anyway.even after the audience disappeared. They think they did nothing wrong & the audience that disappeared was the racists & homophobes. Wrong!!! People are just tired heavy handed messaging being shoehorned into mediocre stories that could have really benefited from more attention to the actual story. People have become like just shut up! I don't wanna hear it anymore!
You see, your critique is essentially "all of the characters are bland and one dimensional" but if they have more depth to them (like Rose getting reassurance from the transphobia she faces) you don't like it either 💀 This is what I mean: you just don't like trans characters. But just say that.
Nope. The opposite. Doctor who had alot of fantastic well thought out fun characters throughout the years but all of the woke nonsense is lazy one dementional & predictable & in there for no other reason to force feed a message that a huge portion of the audience either doesn't agree with or just is tired of hearing about. There is nothing to roses character or the boys that bully her. Tell me something about her that is not she's black, trans, or nonbionary.... nothing. The only reason she's there is agenda being pushed. Same withe the race swapping. It added nothing & came with a cost. Alot of the audience now gone. Ever talk to someone thats talking about something you don't care about but they won't stop? You tend to avoid that person. That's what happened to Dr who
Actually the point is had they developed the story properly instead of the agenda driven nonsense this could have been much better.
However they're not and it isn't and your complaints about the Far Right are rather ridiculous when they are actually fans of what that show once was and are getting clicks because its descent is how their videos are getting watched whilst you try to focus on the opposite angle for the same reason getting people to watch like now.
Maybe if they actually made their show for the wider audience instead of a shrinking market that is plainly not interested they could have developed this further.
In theory you raise an interesting point.
In practice, dedicating time to actively DISCUSS a side-character’s transness would DEFINITELY be taken as “agenda pushing” and “ruining the show” and “NOT MUH WHO” by all the miserable sods already complaining about the trans character merely existing.
So alas; yer fukt either way.
@@Darkwintre”what the show once was” was inclusive and compassionate. Always has been. There’s been gay flirting & interracial romance since RTD’s season 1, and the Doctor respected an alien’s ambiguous pronouns back when he was fukn PERTWEE.
Speaking as the father of a Trans child, I have to be honest, even I found it heavy handed. I appreciate your love for the show, but LBH the 'let it go' scene was pure gaslighting. Why? Seriously? What exactly did it achieve? ( Except losing half a million viewers! )
it doesn't matter if it is not literally said in show it's how the show gets perceived cuz TV IS A VISUAL MEDIUM not a radio show is it ? The wokeness is implied doesn't matter the if it was not the intension of the director or not literally said.
Can we accept that there is more overt cultural politics in what once was Dr. Who? This is to let a small minority feel seen and to make their presence in a children's show acceptable. It's called 'grooming'. Who is in favor of this? All the vocal jackals who get so outraged when someone opposes their will and are willing to ruin people's lies over their disagreement. None of this seems arguable. So, if you are watching the show you are supporting those who advocate vicious cancel culture. Seems to follow.."
Maybe you should go on Friday night tights to debate this topic
The only thing that irritated me was the male presenting time lord comment. Just thought that was a bit of a shitter on men. Otherwise it was good.
Central problem.....the timeless child. Be as inclusive as possible etc etc. But - get rid of the timeless child. Give us back the cannon we love. Then be progressive.
I do think the Chibnall & Moffat eras were a mess in terms of canon
@@antifacog8552 think that's the problem. Have no issues with diversity etc. Learned long ago not all people are like me 😂.....thankfully. but the back cannon matters to die hard fans. As a writer I know this. You crap on it - at your own peril.
@@StephenSinclair-d6n I'm a Doctor Who Mega fan. Been a fan since I was six years old, own over 300 Doctor Who action figures, have a copy of Lungbarrow, know the deepest of lore, etc. Definitely my autistic fixation.
I agree that lore does matter, though oddly enough, the Timeless Children doesn't bother me too much. I don't like it, but it's like, the expanded media already had lore which acted as a get out of jail free card for this stuff.
The stuff that really gets my goat is them trying to say the Tenth Doctor is the Fourteenth Doctor, that's not how regeneration works, and calling that a new incarnation misuses the term. I wish people would be as mad about this sh*t as they are about the Timeless Children, as they were whenever the idea of Tennant being brought back as not-Fourteen was raised prior to October 23rd 2022.
@@theoutcastboi totally get the Autistic thing. Also agree with much of what your saying. Been fan for long time as well. Still have loads of target paperbacks.
my issue is that rose or donna say "shame you arent a woman anymore" as if he loses everything he'd have learned or understood as jodie, like its always been established regeneration doesnt change what the doctor knows maybe the personality a bit but like the actual mind knowledge and experiences dont ever change so if jodie's doctor wouldve understood something every single doctor after her should also understand things, like moving forward that stuff should always be present...... thats literally my biggest issue
i have a slight issue with rose because it did weirdly comes off like her trans identity was more of a plot device than an actual part of her character, also it felt like rtd was weirdly conflating a transwoman as nonbinary rather than the two being different, although similar......... also if yasmin doesnt ever return ill be pissed because i needed more of rose she had so much potential!!!!!
as for the bigeneration, it sucks that ncuti's doctor has actual plot elements that shitty fans can use to say "not my doctor"...... but also if you arent excited for ncuti you are delusional lol
The problem I find with the concept of bigeneration is that every episode moving forward has no tension. Why should I care if Gatwa's doctor is on the verge of defeat when I am fully aware there's a spare doctor out there.
Why are so many men THIS fragile and get so upset over one silly throwaway line in an hourlong special?
Also, Capaldi's Doctor didn't understand humanity, even though Tennant's (and most of the others) did. So, your fake argument doesn't even apply here.
@@DavidHHH99 first off who are you talking to, second capaldi literally has nothing to do with any of what i said..... third "fake argument" what about what i said was "fake"..... clearly you as a man just wanna be mad about something rather than use some critical thinking skills.... careful now your fragility is showing
@@Arizonaguy1856 Clearly, I'm talking about you, since I'm replying to your comment.
You claimed that if a Doctor learned something about humanity that all subsequent Doctors would understand it. Capaldi (and many other Doctors) not understanding humanity after spending decades living among us (in the UNIT era) is proof that this isn't always the case on this show. It literally has everything to do with disproving what you said. Literally the last thing that the 11th Doctor did before regenerating into Capaldi's 12th Doctor was spend 2000 years living among humanity. Then it was a running theme of his era that he didn't understand humanity and our quirks and emotions.
it's weird and sad that your masculinity is so fragile that one little line in an hour-long special triggers you so much and is "literally [your] biggest issue" in an awesome hour of television.
@@DavidHHH99 its funny how you assume i care about "my" masculinity as if im a cisman.... also i didnt say "learn something about humanity" the point of the scene, if you actually paid attention, was that if he was still 13 he would've understood they could "let it (the metacrisis) go" it has legit nothing to do with me and my non existent "fragile masculinity" and everything to do with they russel wrote it.... it seems that you have a comprehension issue or lack crictial thinking skills though, cause the way you read what i said and assumed "fragile masculinity" says more about you than me...... i say "my biggest issue is this inconsistency and heres why" and you jump to "fragile masculinity", go touch some grass babes....
This right winger - 9:24 - says Rose is telling us, "Trans is better than human."
Well gosh, I thought people could be both trans and human.
Oh FFS. Get a life. Hints of pre Hartnell Doctors appeared in Brain of Morbius in 1975.
To honest I like the newest episode but didn’t like rose not because she trans just because i felt like Pacifically her writing just wasn’t the best
RTD Who has always been fairly overt with its messaging, as with some of the examples you showed. But I think his second stint here so far is still qualitatively different, sometimes in really bizarre ways.
I agree that he's being deliberately provocative in these specials, and I think this works to the episodes' detriment, as it's usually immersion-breaking in a way that his previous political messages weren't. He's choosing to actively engage in the "culture war" that seems to be strangling a lot of current media. The "non-binary" example that you gave, while having mostly good intent, has made some trans viewers (like Jay Exci) feel like RTD is IMPLYING (not overtly stating) Rose is somehow uniquely able to handle the metacrisis energy because she is trans, even if the bare bones explanation is a 2 to 3 thing. And especially the moment between Donna, Rose and the Doctor at the end of the episode, seems to be talking flippantly about a problem that in Donna's last appearance was extremely dangerous and virtually impossible to overcome.
A good example from the second special is the race-swapped Isaac Newton, which i think was included purely to incite aggression from certain people. Not to mention some of the very strange implications of the bigeneration in the last special, and how it might devalue the new doctor's stories.
I think doctor who should have good trans characters, good representation in general, that their identities should be important aspects of the story, but i think it can be done much better than RTD is doing here. Rose's character couldve been so so interesting, but she turned out a little one-note IMO. You won't win people over by engaging in the same tactics as the rage-baiting youtubers. Hopefully the new series with Gatwa will rectify this, he seems great as the doctor so far.
"A good example from the second special is the race-swapped Isaac Newton, which i think was included purely to incite aggression from certain people." Where you getting that idea from? the actor was cast because he is talented and RTD and him have worked together.
@@friendlyotaku9525 Isaac Newton was not Indian. That is a fact. Cleverly write an actual Indian historical figure of repute, of which there are many, into the show instead of race-swapping real people. How would you feel if they made a Gandhi biopic starring Matt Damon, or cast Timothy Chalamet as Malcolm X? Exactly, that would be ridiculous.
Why are you trying to decide for other people why they did things? Especially when the people in question have ACTIVELY TOLD US EXACTLY WHY THEY DID THESE THINGS. Russell is one of the most open writers in television who loves promoting his shows and explaining his reasoning. He's had literally dozens of interviews where he's explained the ins and outs of every decision he's made.
And here you are making up complete fictions about why he's done things that he's already explained.
THIS IS WHAT EXTREMISTS DO.
@@ariescustom Isaac Newton isn't Indian in Doctor Who either, he's portrayed as English, he's just played by a darker skinned actor who is mixed race.
@@friendlyotaku9525 Grasping at straws there. 🤣 They race-swapped him in the name of tokenism, regardless of how you want to word it.
Not being funny mate but how are you going to make a video about the new episodes when you've not actually watched them. Just as bad as they are.
This so ruined the show for me. I didn’t see any of this in the episode. Well, I did realize Rose was trans when grandma made that one little remark at the sink, but I didn’t dwell on it. Doctor Who is supposed to be be odd and weird kind of in an Outer Limits kind of way. It’s not supposed to make “normal” sense.
Old episodes did have a little bit of a message !!!!!! Now every episodes is the message ???
Getting around a warehouse or building sites in a wheelchair .... DONNA doesn't stop COMPLANING.. you're RIGHT ... and reviewers are. RIGHT. .. 😊😊😊😊😊
People in wheelchairs do exist lol. What`s wrong with having disbaled people in Dr.Who? You hate the disabled do you? And if you have to listen to an bunch of guys in their 30s or 40s, sitting in a room full of toys, shouting about how they hate everything that isn't like they are, pretty much tells us all we need to know lol.
Also the likes of Nerdroic and co, aren't reviewers lol. They`re just youtubers lol. Screaming into an echo chamber like little petulant chlidern lol.
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Sorry to say but does this guy have rotten teeth
All three episodes were incredible, I for one cannot wait to see what RTD brings to this new era of Doctor Who. People who get angry that the show is too political have clearly never actually watched or understood the show.
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Good video
absolute correct take, finally someone made a detailed video that addresses and responds to all the false claims made to get attention and clicks, in a condensed video brilliantly. was planning to do one myself and if not a video I was gonna do some thing that actually has the factual takes and collects them into one.
but thank you for making this.
p.s the title is very correct too they just don't seem to understand and they deny actual facts by bias.
Some people are just mad about trans inclusion, but the episodes were bad in general, the delverey and execution of ideas was terrible, the representation felt more so like props, since they lacked any character. Rose and the wheelchair character were literally there to move the plot, the doctor need someone to talk to while he goes on an exposition, quirky wheelchair character, use her to blow up a wall with rockets, while Rose's trans identity is boiled down to a meta crisis, is she trans because of the doctor? her business and cool designs are result of memories of aliens, we now know nothing really about her. The doctor being a pacifist is part of his character, it doesnt feel clunky or bog up the story, the execution is done well, we learn hes gone through war and his reasons etc, theres episodes where he acts out of character like drowning the racnoss, but the doctor can have a bad day, we see the duality of him as a timelord, your never left puzzled or confused as to the writing of the show, and wondering why character did X. The show has been political in the past, and the fact no one complained shows how it was done well, people were already criticising the showrunners and the decline of the show before a female doctor or trans character etc and now politics in the show are being poorly done.
I didn't even know anything about Dona having a trans daughter when i watched the episode and didn't realize till days after i watched it. I just didn't like the episode because it was dogshit that had anti male propaganda and pronoun preaching crammed into it. I can live without all of that.
@@mr.deathwish4213 So you let 1-2 minutes of a 60 minute episode make you dislike the entire thing?
the quote half of them were talking about was
DOCTOR: Cryptic. I hate that. But... we've still got to fix you two, because the metacrisis might have slowed down, but that thing is wrapped around your cortex.
DONNA: Yes, we know.
ROSE: We know everything, thanks.
DONNA: And you know nothing It's a shame you're not a woman any more, cos she'd have understood.
ROSE: We've got all that power, but there is a way to get rid of it. Something a male-presenting Time Lord will never understand.
DONNA: Just let it go.
ROSE: And we choose to let it go.
Which is where they proceed to make it seem like the doctor is a bad person for not letting go of his power and if he was a woman he would which as one of the people said in your video wouldn't make sense as he saves the universe like every other week. and they also belittle the doctor and try to make themselves seem better by saying " We know everything thanks and you know nothing its a shame you're not a woman anymore" again making it seem like because he's a man he's not as smart as a woman. If you actually showed this instead of cherry picking you might actually get a ton more viewers but instead you chose to only show the parts where they paraphrased and yes some of them did exaggerate some of it but not allot of them. Also the whole pronouns thing I get why is needed nowa days but it should have been handled differently instead of just outright making the doctor seem like a bad guy especially when it was one of the nicer versions of the doctor (by this I mean the way rose said it she was really aggressive when delivering the line).
Well said.
I didn't like that dialogue either (but for me it was just mildly annoying, and only slightly marred my enjoyment of the episode). However, nowhere do they suggest that the Doctor should let go of his own power, let alone that he is bad for doing so. All they're saying is that it would never have occurred to him that *they* could get rid of *their* power because for them (but not for him) it was life-threatening. Which, if true, would be because he's a Time Lord, not because he is a *male-presenting* Time Lord specifically. The implication that the 13th Doctor would have thought of it is the bit I find, well, just plain stupid. Jodie's Doctor would have been just as stumped as any of the other incarnations.
AS for Rose's reaction to pronouns -- I didn't mind that at all. To my mind, this wasn't RTD making the Doctor "the bad guy". It actually makes sense for Rose, a teenage transgender who is still being mocked and deadnamed, to be extra-sensitive to the use of pronouns around her.
That dialogue was a terrible bit of writing. They're stupid cringe-worthy girl-power lines that really bring down the quality of the whole episode. Really, a teenager is telling the Doctor she knows everything? We have two humans claiming to know more about Time Lord regeneration energy than a Time Lord with many lifetimes of experience travelling the multiverse? And they're telling the Doctor that he "knows nothing" because he's a man and for whatever reason girl-power is the only solution, which is doubly stupid because he used to be a woman in his last incarnation. Seriously?
This display of hubris is one we expect would get severely punished, because that's what good storytelling demands. Only instead, we see hubris rewarded without consequences. It's terrible from a storytelling point of view and even worse as a means of promoting LGBT.
Its not saying that he's dumber because he's a man, it's saying that it's easier to understand the danger of unchecked power when ur a marginalised group, like women are
How was rose aggressive? She just asked the meep for its pronouns without being meek and shy about it
At the end of the day does it matter, it was the 60th anniversary and yet it failed to celebrate anything doctor, Russell failed the episodes alone were mid and put alongside previous RTD episodes they are the worst the story for the first episode felt rushed and unfinished the ending was the worst and made no sense the second special was the best CGI let it down but it was good writing, and the third was alright dont like the bi regeneration its lazy and will never have any good conclusion just like the meta crisis and the bi regeneration does 15th a disservice as me like most are confused if hes the doctor in a bad way, at the end of the day these specials did not live up to the wait and hype and im disappointed in Russells writing
The first episode was well paced, it didn't feel rushed, unfinished, or make no sense?
@@antifacog8552 man did you watch the episode the ending was horrendous, the opening was unnecessary and drawn out
Thanks for this video. I was curious to see what kind of BS they were going to say about the show, but didn't want to give them any views.
Jacks not gay he’s bi
The line about the male presenting Time Lord was bigoted. Plain and simple. Anyone who tries to defend it is defending hate. And it's ironic that after having a scene that rightly shows how it's wrong to make fun of someone's gender, we then have that bigoted scene where the same character is making fun of someone's gender.
No, bigotry punches down socio-historical hierarchies. Calling that "bigotry" is just whinging over nothing.
@@antifacog8552Yes, you obviously don't understand what bigotry is. Your definition doesn't even make sense. Here is the actual definition:
"obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group"
That line is total bigotry. You are a bigot. Your defending hate. You're saying that under certain circumstances you can be hateful towards people just because of the way they were born. You're a bad person. Hate is hate no matter who it is against. You're really the last person who needs to be making videos like this.
@@antifacog8552 That's a dumb American definition.
This is possibly the only fair response to the recent dr who controversy. You’re totally right here. I would be considered more right leaning but for someone like you I could imagine hard right people calling you woke or a snowflake etc….
The irony is that those who are calling you or the show woke is just evidence to their own fragility.
I also find a lot of people who have never seen dr who before jumping on the hate train just because trans themes were present. You and i both know there’s tonnes of social / political issues inserted into dr who for decades.
As a child i never saw it but rewatching as an adult its so well done through the writing. Dr who has kept my views a lot more liberal and understanding. Whenever i found myself becoming biased or feeling hateful for no other reason then “ its not representative of me so it’s shit” I remember how open and diverse the show is and that itself contradicts myself.
Dr who should continue to be inclusive. I cant stress the fact that society is built up of all types of people and in 2023 we have a wider audience and range of opinions.
The specials were fun!
I enjoyed the lighthearted Star beast for its soft reset for new fans but also doing justice to longtime viewers
Wild blue yonder was a nice little showreel for tate and tennant displaying thier amazing chemistry
The giggle was a fast paced, hectic romp with lots of great creative decisions and acting from all the cast.
I cant force myself to hate it. Im looking forward to seeing Ncuti and how the show will evolve over time