“Male Abortion” Is Now Being Considered
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In Sweden, a law is being proposed that would give men the right to "legally abort" a child. By doing this they renounce all parental rights and duties. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian hosts of The Young Turks discuss.
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“It’s not just up to women to decide whether to have a baby or not, says the youth wing of Sweden’s Liberal Party. It has proposed granting expectant fathers the right to “legally abort” their unborn child up until the 18th week of pregnancy.
“Men should have an equal right to opt out of parenting and choose whether or not to become a parent,” Marcus Nilsen, chairman of the party’s youth wing West (LUF) told the Swedish Aftonbladet newspaper.
This means that men are proposed to have the right to disclaim paternity until the 18th week of pregnancy, as long as it’s possible for a woman to undergo the abortion procedure.
The suggested “legal abortion,” if chosen, would be irreversible and require the father in question to renounce all parental rights and duties, including the right to see his child once it has been born, should the mother decide to keep it.”
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if the woman can have an abortion without the Father's permission. Then the man should have the same option.
how.
+CheckDisOutpeeps by not parenting or taking care of the child??
yeah i can see how it could be heartbreaking for a guy if the girl decides to do that if he was really set on becoming a dad. im sure its left scars for potential fathers if they found out.
i think there should be more involved with both parties. if say the girl wanted an abortion but someone wanted her to keep the baby as a serogate they should be able to give her money and adopt the child... unless there are potential health risks... i know people in our society shame the process of abortion which is why we have the system we have, but in a better society it would be nice if it was more of a judicial process. Ultimately the woman should have a say in whether she wants the baby or not but i think it should be reviewed and discussed in court. but i know nothing of the subject because im gay and this is nothing i have a big opinion about. im not a girl and im not a straight guy.
Hmm that is interesting. I am kinda in favour of that. It is a woman's body though which raises a lot of problems like: should a woman be forced to carry a child she doesn't want? May have to skip work to go through the pregnancy, and should the workplace/state pay for that pregnancy leave she didn't want? I think the man should be notified first and be able to give his opinion/his case.
Fair and equal. This is the best policy.
+Cocoabytes Women get pregnant. Men don't. That is not fair and equal.
+Michael P missed the point.
Nicolas S/0 You did
+Michael P If he wanted his own comeback he would have wiped it off your chin.
+Michael P I don't see why this is not fair and equal. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
If a woman can abort without the father's consent, then a man can rid himself of responsibility he doesn't want. If a woman can choose not to be responsible after sex, then so can a man. You can't have equality without equality.
Amen!
@@LordSlag can we just have separate countries already? Can the liberals go their way and us conservatives go our own? Cause I'm about sick of yall.
@@brain6834 I would love that, in point of fact. It used to even be possible, but conservatives like to use the federal government to override liberal states when they pass laws that you ignorant bigoted religitards don't like. Once you and those like you established that precedent it permanently entangled our destinies, so now we have this. I'd love to not have to live among brainless, prejudiced asshats like you.
Well said.
As a true feminist for equal rights for all I agree with this. If we have the right to choose so should men.
Are you serious...??? I didn't expect that...
Vields 23 That’s good to hear as someone skeptical of feminism:)
@@allisoncastle there are different kids of feminism. Your comment could mean both 'I'm skeptical of equal rights' and 'I'm skeptical that men are the bad in the world and that women should only date women'
@Carla D. What does that have anything to do with this?
All kinds of feminism are cancer
I'm a woman and I agree with this proposal. It's time men have truly equal parenting rights as women. Just because I choose to have a child my partner doesn't want shouldn't obligate him to be a parent. Next stop: fair court rulings for men.
Aiah Zohar I agree; and wonder how many “accidental” pregnancies this would prevent on down the line.
You support this like the feminists who marched to get women drafted before the 19th amendment and then stopped doing so immediately afterwards.
@@Dennis-nc3vw
Is it that hard to believe she legitimately believes in this...?😓
No man or woman should kill a baby. Take responsibility people.
@@coolstoolgames8374 Hey, I get you feel that. And you're entitled to your feelings, but you know abortion is perfectly legal in MANY countries. So people are going to get it done if they want. We can't guilt people into doing what we want them to. Peace.
Women get to choose, why can’t men?
Because the radical democrats think of men only as paychecks.
Her body, her choice!!
Her RESPONSIBILITY!!!
Did she impregnate herself then??? They are two making the child and two taking the responsibility. He can only take it before and better do it then. Stop whining like a child!
@@BosisofSweden No. It was "her body, her choice" which created the child.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Are you an idiot? Do you believe in virgin Mary getting knocked up by God with baby Jesus as well. I find wining men tiresome. When women at last, at some area in their lives, for once have the power every male weakling in the world crawls out from under their stone and start wining. It's unfaaaaaaairrrrr booooohoooo! Man up ffs!
@@BosisofSweden There's no such thing as a one-pronged choice you moron. If abortion is a woman's choice, then birthing baby must be her choice too.
@@BosisofSweden Her decision resulted in her getting pregnant. Sex starts and ends with a womans choice and women know how to not get pregnant.
As a feminist
I think men should be allowed to opt out of parenting legally
Thanks for your consistency.
That statement was truly "feminist"
Finally someone who knows true equallity
Thank you for your fairness.
True equality! 👍
This is the kind of equality that true feminists want. We want the right to choose so why shouldn't men have that same right?
+Sydney Walton Exactly!!!!! true feminist right there
+Sydney Walton Thank you, thank you I agree.
+Sydney Walton Why not call yourself an 'egalitarian'? Feminist is really a loaded term. Great to hear you support men's rights.
I can't speak for Sydney and Ruds, but I do consider myself as such.
@@grahamstull9905 "terfs" are destroying feminism.
if a woman is not stable financially, its her problem. having a child is her decision
+Baltori Xervo at least it should be her decision.
I agree with this actually. Just like Women shouldn’t be forced to have children that we don’t want we should not force men to be fathers if that’s not what they want.
A man has all the control over whether he becomes a father with his decision to have s3x and release seed.
Great logic! 👍
Hey Cenk. Crazy MRA, anti-feminist, non-ham-sandwich-making woman here. I did a 4-part video series on this very issue 7 years ago.
Just saying...
Rub it in, baby! Getting popcorn, brb...
Keep thst savage level at 100 Karen, you are UNSTOPPABLE!
Your positions are starting to gain steam!
Hey Karen, Big fan
LOVE YOU KAREN... Your the real definition of a strong, independent, woman...
It's only fair.
Exactly
Sure I'm going to take parental advice from a guy who sticks his dick up another guy's butt hole
Exactly.
I agree with this law, it's simple equality.
If women want an abortion, they can have it. If men want an abortion, they can have it.
My money my choice.
No. No man or women should have abortion.
Men are free to abort any unwanted pregnancies they might have. They are not, however, free to shirk their financial responsibilities to their children.
If mothers have a choice of getting rid of a responsibility and obligation, men should also have that same right. Sorry women, it takes two to tango
Men have the right to wear a condom, get a vasectomy, or not ejaculate into a vagina if they're adamant on not paying child support.
Yes, as a woman I full support this legislation. Very sensible!
This is not a male abortion because it doesn't terminate the pregnancy. It's just disowning the child. Equating this to abortion is stupid.
Jimmy R I agree. It's a very strange way of describing it.
Matthew Bigelow the 2nd
So...apparently I'm a lot more naive than I realized...
I thought this was already the law. A woman can get an abortion for any reason during the first two trimesters and if her life is at risk she can have one in the third trimester. At any point during the pregnancy a woman can do practically anything to cause an abortion at home. A woman can decide not to inform the man she had an abortion or miscarriage. She doesn't have to even tell the man she's pregnant or name him on the birth certificate. Women are allowed to use a sperm donor and artificial insemination, without being in a committed relationship. There are Safe Haven laws, which give women safe and secure places to abandon babies no questions asked.
With all of those choices (and there are probably even more) available to women, this seems like one of the biggest "duh, it's only fair" moments in human history. How is this even a debate? Of course, men should be allowed to "abort the pregnancy". In a society that believes in equality for all, men should have the same rights a woman does with this choice. Since a man can't technically terminate the pregnancy, but they should be allowed to do it figuratively. If a woman can choose to abort for any reason during the first two trimesters, men should be allowed to sign away all rights and responsibilities during that same time period.
A Karen I agree with
very well said
What if the woman wants to have an abortion, but, the man wants the child? Legally, he would have no way to stop her. I definitely support a man's right to choose, as a woman's right to choose.
Lord Pagan damn fuckkng straight!!!
Lord Pagan Basically yeah, the abortion can only be done by the woman, it's her body and her ultimately her decision about whether the baby comes into the world. That's the entire point, a man shouldn't be held ransom over her decision.
When men can carry the baby, sure.
Women have the right to make decisions regarding abortion, and i support that, but, i also support a man's right to choose whether to be financially and/or emotionally supportive in this situation. Men should not be mandated to be subservient to a woman's decree and vice versa.
Men should get a choice to opt out.
I think this is okay.
Women are arguing that it’s their choice to have an abortion, even the partner involved wants to have it, no if’s ands or but’s and men currently have no say.
If a woman gets to chose whether she wants to have it, a man should too.
It should have always been this way!
Always
Always
always
So you're saying a guy can just go around getting girls pregnant but because he doesn't feel like taking care of the baby he can go off with nothing? Seriously that is so fucked up and I don't understand what is wrong with you people.
+SweetnSavory it takes 2 to become pregnant. its not rocket science
I don't want kids. I should have the right not to be a dad. most men don't make enough money to give child support.
Tru
the men can't force the woman to give up the kid if she wants to keep it but she shouldn't be able to force him to pay up against his will for the kid he didnt want.
word.
The average child cost around $200k to raise - I think I'll keep that money to myself
+Dara Bounds Exactly.
Makes sense to me. If you think it's ok for women to decide if they want an abortion or not you should be ok if the father wants to be a father or not. It seems hypocritical to disagree with it. Why should a man be forced to be a father when the woman gets to?
Sandra Solimine
You're not making any sense. Just because it's different doesnt make it right. Just because its your body doesnt mean you own a man's wallet. A woman gets to decide whether or not she has to deal with the burdens of parenting but also gets to decide for the man as well? It's up to her if the man has a child or not yet she gets to decide whether she has one or not? The man is just a slave to whatever the woman decides for him?
He chose to have sex. You might father a child. It would be different if the woman tricked him but chose to get with her
Kell Harris
So by your logic if a girl gets pregnant we have to force her to be a mother because she chose to have sex? If you're pro life I understand why you think the man has to be a father but if you're pro abortion then you're being a hypocrite.
Sandra Solimine
You are a hypocrite. Your first statement has nothing to do with the topic we're talking about. You're trying to justify you're hypocrisy by bringing up the past. If you believe a woman can choose to have sex and also choose if she wants to be a parent or not then you should believe the same for a man.
You're right though. Regular men aren't famous or rich like Chris Brown. We dont have loads of money where we can just be told to pay child support whenever a woman wants to tell us we have to. You are full of fallacies.
xxTimesxx12Twelve12 I am am anti abortion unless for medical reasons or rape if you are having sex you should be responsible enough to deal with the consequences both male and female. Use protection for both parties then it's almost impossible to get with child. It's called being an adult. Being a responsible man and woman.
But I am someone who believes in limited government. I think the government shouldn't have rights over people reproductive organs. Are government has at time used force to sterilize woman. Often times women of color. Mostly this happened in the south. Especially in Mississippi. China still does it. Forced abortion... You may not agree but the finals say until that child comes out it's always going to have to be. A woman's choice. The government can't be trusted. Woman need to be responsible.
My advice to men is the same as my advice to women. If you don't want I be screwed over. Choose your partner carefully. Talk about what you both want. And use protection. Be an adult. This law is only so dead beats can get out of paying. It's only affecting the child. If I am a hypocrite so be it his is my opinion.
I agree. People want men and women to be equal well I think this is a great step.
+Sarah Gibbs This is not the logical answer. The problem is that men feel they are being treated unequally in the "right to choose" option of pregnancy. What would make this equal (level the playing ground, if you will) is for both parties to have to consent to the abortion before the procedure can be carried out. The problem here would be, of course, this leading to legal issues that would eventually criminalize legal abortions, once again.
+CaniCat this has nothing to do with abortion, this is legal paternal surrender and women have other options that make this also available to them they are safe drop sites and adoption both available nearly anywhere in the western world.
they have purposely tried to mislabel this to split support from the right to life groups who are usually very much pro adoption/pro right to surrender a live child by the parent.
As someone who grew up in foster care, sometimes you wish you were dead instead of there.
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yes we already know you are against equality for men. i personally hope you shout this from the rooftops, i'm sure it will help with women achieving equality...
I'm all for this, if woman can chose, so should the man. This is equality
One man will be able to choose, another tax paying man won't.
i think it's a sensible idea. with the current laws women hold all the cards. while men are often left holding the bag. if we are going to equality ? lets actually have it.
Who's left holding the baby?
the woman that did not use birth control or had sex with a guy that did not wear a condom. Look condoms break, birth control doesnt always work and thats just the unplanned chances. There are females out there that poke holes in condoms or lie about being on birth control to trap men into having a kid. Im not saying guys dont do stupid stuff like pull out and hope for the best but at the end of the day if a man has sex with a woman and he makes it clear he does not want a kid and the birth control fails out of bad luck or a woman doing something to it or saying she is on something and not the man has 3 options at that point 1 be a daddy, 2 pay child support, 3 not pay and hope the law doesnt catch up to them.
But on the flip side if a woman gets pregnant when she didnt want it but the man really does she can still have an abortion and he cant stop her. She can give it up for adoption and the father can fight for his rights as the father and get the kid. Or have the baby and keep it.
I get the whole religion doesnt allow for abortion or they dont agree with it because they feel like its murder but there is still the option of putting the baby up for adoption. But a guy has no power in the matter other then saying he doesnt want a kid and the woman gets to pick what "she" wants to do with her body all this law does is give a man the same options a woman has plain and simple... they are not talking about real abortion the man cant force the woman to have one... the man just has the option to give up all legal right and responsibility for the baby if he does not wish to have one. It would also most likely cut down on the number of single mothers when the option to have a man pay child support for a baby he didnt want is taken away and they figure out that they will have to work because welfare probably wont cover it.
Young Turks being sensible when it comes to men's rights? That's actually quite a surprise.
Giving consent to sex is not the same as giving consent to having a baby.
Nope it pretty much is. By choosing to enrol in a course at university, are you choosing to receive a degree?
Ray Levi Do you believe that a man is solely responsible for getting a woman pregnant?
@@ItsComplicatedChannel Nope. I believe both parties are responsible. A man asking a woman for consent for sex is also asking for her consent to impregnate her. A woman who is giving consent for sex is also giving consent to be impregnated.
Ray Levi make laws so the male don’t get raped for all his funds!!!!
@@Mr.Mustgohard I do agree with that. There has to be some obvious form of equality in the enforcement of laws.
How is this controversial? The women gets to choose when and if the baby gets killed and the man just has to go along with it. If you are for abortion then you should be in favor of men having rights to walk away. This just proves once again how regressive your logic and principles are. Flawed and filled with holes.
EXACTLY
A man should be able to walk away from any and all responsibility of he feels it's best for him. If a woman can abort and be free of children, why can't a man? But that means he can't see the child at all. Even if he wants to later on.
Agreed
Takes two to tango understand your risks.
@@Brynn332 We do. And we take responsibility how WE see fit. Takes two to tango but the woman does everything... Cares it, risks HER life and in the end he can leave...
@@Brynn332 Until men have to pay fetus support they don't get a say.
Phoenix Rayne he can leave physically but he still has financial responsibilities
the father's rights are often seen as secondary to the mother's this is why this law is being considered...
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this new law would require a woman to notify a prospective father when she's pregnant.
then the man would be allowed to refuse financial and/or legal responsibility for the child if he doesn't want to be a father.
Should the child be born despite this then she would be the sole caregiver both financially and by law
and she might be financially responsible if she doesn't tell the father of the pregnancy in advance
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A woman may choose to terminate a pregnancy against the objections of the father.
So If the father's consent isn't required for abortion then why should the father be Financially liable if birth is against his will
If she gets a choice, he should get a choice. Iove how women will scream for equal rights, up until those equal rights affect them. If she doesn't want to raise a child without help she doesn't have to. She has a choice. He should have the choice to not be involved if he doesn't want to be. People love to talk about how if a man doesn't want the responsibility of a child then he shouldn't lay down with a woman. Well the same goes for a woman. If she doesn't want to risk having a child that she either doesn't want, or doesn't want to raise alone, then she shouldn't lay down with a man. It goes both ways. People are ready and willing to hold a man accountable for his actions. As well they should. But equal rights dictate that women be held to just as high as a standard. You can't hold one too high standards, and not hold the other to those same high standards. Being a woman does not excuse a person from personal responsibility.
Sex and parenthood are two things that shouldn't be inextricably linked. We've mostly accomplished that for women. This proposal just brings parity for men.
+Mitch Nance A-fucking-men!
+synchronium24 Emphasis on MEN!!
Nobody wants to be forced into Parenthood ladies that includes us too
I actually agree. I support a woman's right to choose, and therefore must support a man's right to choose.
As long as its both and not just one person im completely ok with it
It is neither absurd nor disgusting. Just like women have a choice to opt out of parenthood, so should men. There are a lot of men who are not ready for parenthood and there are as many men who get tricked into it. It would also discourage women from getting pregnant on purpose. If a woman has the right to kill an embryo, then a man has a right to not be responsible for it. It is no different than donating sperm.
Episode Interactive shut ur dumbass up fr fr
That is not the same. Also, they get "tricked" as you say into SEX. They don't get tricked into pregnancy. They have power of choice as well. If they can choose to never be a part of the child's life up to a certain point in the pregnancy, there is no reason a man shouldn't have those same choices. It's no more his baby than here. It's 50% of either of their genetic material. He can't force her to have a baby or an abortion, but this is also fair to her because she gets to decide if she wants to be a single mom or if she wants to abort after the father has made a decision.
Honestly, I don't want you to comment back. Your comments are an insult to what feminism actually is.
Also, "think about it" is not evidence that your claim is real. I don't believe you, and you're a shit person for saying those things.
Wow! The Swedes actually want to grant equal rights to men. That is progressive!
Those are probably the same men who in later years will go looking for these children when they need an organ transplant.
Shocker that "Lady V" doesn't support this
I say if the modern woman has a right to abort her traditional role because she simply doesn’t wasn’t wanna be a mother then modern man should have the same right as well and not pay a dime and be able to walk away.
I'll agree to this being fair if we also agree that a man who actively refuses or dodges paying child support doesn't have any rights to their child either. This is my biggest problem with the idea that men should be allowed to sign some paperwork and they never have to put a dime towards their child ever again. I feel like if that's acceptable, then it should also be acceptable for a woman who has taken on the financial burden all by herself, then she should legally have the right to decide how much access a man has to a child he's not willing to actually help care for financially.
I Doubt if a man doesn’t want to take care of the kid he’s going to care about seeing said kid
Not true. I know many men, the father of my oldest son included, who think they should be allowed to see their kid(s) whenever they want, want to make decisions about how the child is raised, but refuse to put in ANY work towards caring for their child and don't pay child support.
I've done everything from day one. He only takes under the table jobs so he doesn't have to pay his court ordered child support, has never given me anything on his own, never helped provide basic needs for my son, and will go months without seeing him, but then expects me to let him see my son when he suddenly decides he feels like playing daddy, and would argue with me about how he was going to be raised. I finally flat out told him he had ZERO say in anything until he was taking an equal amount of responsibilty in raising our son, and that he coud see him consistently or not all. For the last year, he has continued to refuse to pay child support, has not gotten himself into a stable housing situation so my son could visit him at home, still goes months without seeing him, and his brother in law recently told me he is using drugs again. He suspects meth. My son has alot of attachment issues because of the inconsistancy of his dad in his life. After hearing about the drugs, I decided I've had enough. I texted him and told him never to contact us again, and that I would be filing to have his rights terminated. My son is almost four. I can't watch him do this shit to him anymore, and I'm sick of listening to him brag about being a father when he's done little more than an anonymous sperm donor.
Missy Rose i agree with you however, i really think the dude SHOULD HAVE TO pay no matter what.
Progressivism is the belief that it's wrong to tell a woman she can't have sex until she can afford her own birth control, but fine to tell a man he can't have sex until he can afford his own child.
I think you are mixed up
I thought women wanted equality? well, I'm all for it
I bet it will result in a decrease of single mothers as a side effect.
Finally a basic parental right to men, baby steps towards equality
*IF WOMEN WONT LET MEN HAVE A SAY IN ABORTION THEN MEN DO NOT NEED TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT*
they shouldnt have to... if men cant have a say in abortion because "its not your body" ok fine. Its not your money.
@Kleki true... but if a woman has the right to abort a child, the man should have the right to not pay child support if he doesn't want the baby. child support gets expensive too.
@Kleki and abortions should be illegal. if men are forced to pay child support when they dont want the baby, women shouldn't have the right to abort when they dont want the baby.
@Kleki dont want kids, dont have sex. everyone knows accidents happen. why take a risk at something you dont want?
@Kleki people need to learn how to be responsable for their actions. dont want a baby? shouldn't have laid down and spread those legs.
I guess im not pulling out now
Lol
LOL it won't make a difference to women are going to start stocking up on birth control an Plan B pills they are going to br chewing on them like Flintstone vitamins
😂😂😂😂 savage!! 👊🏾
then she doesnt tell you she was pregnant until it was to late.. GG bro
woah.this law just became so necessary lol
Well men have a right to not parent because he dont want said baby, she wants baby but knows how he feels. Women opt out of parenting all the time in America hospital safe drop for newborns, leave your older kids at police stations, give up rights at the court house, and obviously abortions. So dont get mad women cant trap men.
It's difficult to preach equal rights and not agree with this.
The government shouldn't be worried about if they have to take care of the child. That responsibility should be on the mother if she made the "choice". Put more accountability on the people's "choice" and they'll make more responsible decisions.
I support this whole heartedly, if a woman can abort the baby/fetus (which in essence rejects her right to parent therefor rejects financial responsibility) why cant a man have that choice?
I know a friend of mine whose kid is being used as a paycheck for the mother, he pays 700/mo for child support, denied foodstamps because he somehow makes too much (Barely scratches 1500 a month) and after his bills, hes somehow in the hole, while the mother gets the 700 /mo for child support 300 a mo for food stamps, free housing (about 600 ish a mo) bills are adjusted for her personal income (she works barely 15-20 hrs a week) so basicaly sits on her ass and lets the child support, and state support her, while he busts his ass just to barely have a roof over his head and barely gets food. Also he has no parental rights as they were stripped away from him.
This type of law would stop the bullshit use of the child as a pawn/ paycheck, if the man wants out completely, he should get be able too.....and the whole financial responsibility thing is bullshit, mostly because the mother will know if the father intends to be a father or not well before the child is born, and if she chooses to have the baby any way, all financial responsibility should be placed on her, and none on the biological father.
Sorry for the rage rant,(and kind of an extreme scenario but this does happen more than people want to admit/realize)
but this kinda shit pisses me off.......i hope TYT reads this and responds to this.
true
because he doesn't carry the baby. he should be able to opt out of having to pay child support if he makes it known early enough in the pregnancy that he doesn't want a child. *That* is what would be fair.
+apocalypseap although the mother could hide the fact so there's another issue.
And they say sexism is only a one way street..
I agree but I don't like it either
I approve of this law finally men have a choice to opt out of this shit
CurlyFries120 Sorry, that's not how it works.
@@rager5865 yes it is.
@@TheMileHighBubble Well dam you right. Miss you bby
This seems like common sense. Let's imagine an opposite scenario where a woman who got pregnant chose to have an abortion but the man wanted to keep the baby. He would have no way to stop her. Even though it's as much his off spring as it is her's she is the judge jury and executioner of the trial to decide weather or not an offspring that it took two people to make gets to live. Because it is inside her uterus, what he wants doesn't me jack shit. When it comes to who has responsibilities, that is when the man is somehow more a part of the equation than the woman.
He should
Yes, if women can walk out of being a parent so should men.
Exactly duxe
A woman doesn’t walk out of being a parent. She walks out of being an oven. If men were the ones who got pregnant, they’d get the same right.
@@SuuupaGirlDehumanizing woman in your statement and you don’t even know how.
@@SuuupaGirl You are saying this like men impregnate them on purpose. A lot of the times the guy doesn't want to have a child. I thought we wanted EQUAL rights?
@@kyellverdonschot9922 well when men start getting pregnant they’ll have rights women don’t to terminate/abort. Take it up with Mother Nature my guy.
Dave Chapelle said it best: “if you can kill the kid then I can at least abandon them.”
I can hear the feminist rage from here.
Finally progress for equal rights.
I was looking for this exact question! Yes, men should have that RIGHT.
It would force women to choose a mate a lot more carefully.
That's bad mate.. less sex for us
If the guy doesn't want it then it should be considered. No one has the right to trap anyone.
Yes absolutely, if a woman has the right to abort when the man dosnt want her to, then a man should have the right to walk away if the woman decides to keep it but the fathwr doant want her to
Let's not kid ourselves here. The purposed law and subsequent discussion are inconsequential. The majority of women (not all) will simply fail to inform the father until the 19th week. For this law to be even remotely fair, the time line for the father to decide would have to hinge on the time of notification. And I mean legal notification. Not (I sent you a text like 4 months ago) notification.
There would be provisions to protect against that. Because we all know that's exactly what women would do.
Nomad without freedom Women make me ashamed to be of the same sex, sometimes.
19 weeks is established because it's probably the deadline when abortion is relatively safe. It's 5 months..that's a lot
@@anastasiahey2327 .... The 19 weeks timeline is irrelevant, They could make it 25 weeks or 10 weeks. The point is Women would PURPOSELY wait until after the deadline of Notification.
@@jenniferlove4791 Don't feel that way. You're not responsible for the actions of others. Their behavior is not indicative of your own.
I've been saying this for YEARS! The way we do it now is basically a violation of manhood. I got drunk and you rode me so now I owe you a quarter million dollars? That's bullshit to the tenth degree!
I agree with this. In a situation where women have total reproductive freedom, there is no need to hold men ransom. Each can choose whether or not to be a parent.
Men can get a vasectomy if they aren’t ready for children but still like to practice without responsibility. Why is it always at the cost of the woman’s body. Pregnancy, abortion and birth are all shitty, I know first hand. But I had to go through it alllllll not an man. They stood by helplessly. I was puking, going to doctors getting probed, feeling like death, dealing with the aftermath of everything emotionally and physically.
I think this could be the best law ever next to abolishing slavery lol its ways to many women out there trapping guys using these babies
Lol, are you saying men aren't smart enough to use a condom, get a vasectomy, or control where they ejaculate to avoid being baby trapped? They are not legally required to stay with the mothers or be a part of their child's life unless they want to. All they are required to do is give up a chunk of their wallet every month. Which isn't even much compared to how much the mother has to do.
That law should be global.
then maybe they should have kept their pants on. or wrapped up their unit prior to
2 equal parties involved, 1 consenting man and 1 consenting woman. They have sex, the woman gets pregnant. The child belongs to both of them. But because it grows in the mother, the man has no say whatsoever whether the child is born or not. That is one thing, it is a woman’s right to choose what happens with her body. *HOWEVER* a man should not lose his right to chose what he does with his life or money. If he does not want the baby, he should have the right to have this “legal abortion”. Just as the mother has a certain window of time to decide whether or not she wants to have a child, so to should the man have the exact same window. *End of discussion*
Robert Lembo ok but what if you have a man asking for abortion and a woman who wants to go through adoption (or vice versa but not really), should this law also apply to that situation even if the man is against adoption but pro abortion? Do you think it would help stop abuse/forced abortion? I would hope so.
@@stranger9061 yes.
@@stranger9061 If you just read, it's all there. Women have the 100% choice when regarding what happens with the pregnancy. That would mean the man can ONLY choose to surrender his parental duties and rights without consequence. Whatever happens with the pregnancy, or the child would not be his decision, just like it already isn't.
@J.Inks TV not to tmi, but I had an ex tamper with my BC and I had no choice but to terminate because he wouldn’t let me do adoption. I didn’t have much say and there was nothing I could fight unless I had it... he was ready to fight for the trap. I wish there was more I could have done legally. That’s the context in which I wrote that comment a year ago.
@@stranger9061 in all honesty, you have 100% decision in that situation. Look up your reproductive rights. Men have 0 rights when it comes to reproduction and they cannot make you do anything against your will.
Her body, her choice. His money, his choice
"if a woman makes a unilateral decision to bring pregnancy to term, and the biological father does not, and cannot, share in this decision, he should not be liable for 21 years of support...autonomous women making independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance their choice." -Attorney Karen DeCrow
I have advocated this for years. Reproduction is the only place where one person get's to make the choice for another. I have no problem with a woman choosing not to have a baby because she can't afford it or she's not ready to become a mom or whatever reason. But she get's to decide for HERSELF and no one else. Men DESERVE the right to decide to become a parent or not. We call that EQUALITY. I am a feminist and i want equality of the sexists and that means recognising a man's right to not become a parent. Women can and will do it alone but at least they'll KNOW they're doing it alone if a man can 'abort' his right's.
+Morgan O'Brien-Bledsoe Yes! Feminism! It's a real shame so much of the movement has been hijacked by #killallmen and other complete bullshit.
+Adrian Guizar no you ding dong. Feminism is about equality. Unless you get your definitions from reddit trolls.
+Adrian Guizar let run this by you equality for women is equality! You moron.
+sirluisray1974 wow you're the understanding, no hate-preaching kind of feminist??
Look, feminism doesn't hold a monopoly on the words 'equal rights'.
Humanist/ equalitarians advocate entirely for equal rights of all humans.
Feminism advocates for the equal right and/or supremacy of women (hence the prefix 'Fem') and was born in an era where women did not have equal rights. For feminism to be a legit movement for equality, inequality must first be assumed/proven.
There are movements that are feminist but are strictly anti-humanist/equalitarian, such as Quotas for work, Female only (anything), affirmative action only for females...
Have a nice day.
+Adrian Guizar hey, there is no point replying to this guy, he isn't interested in actually listening/reading your comment and understanding your position to then rebut it. He simply gets off to trying to insult you.
You >> Him
Don't go down to his low level of argumentation.
It is extremely rare that anyone who identifies as a feminist actually advocates for equal rights across both the genders, not impossible or unheard of, just not a very widely accepted brand of feminism.
if she not good of financially she is selfish to get a child. If she get a child when the man dont want to she should be 100% responsible and independent.
As long as women have a right to have an abortion men should Have a right to decide too. I’m a woman and I’m behind this. If you know your with a guy who would do that (opt out) and it offends you don’t have sex with him 🤷🏼♀️
Alex Sestito Absolutely agree and am a woman too!
It's only fair. Women get to choose. Denying that right to men is not equality, so they should be able to opt-out or "abort" too.
I agree with this. Its only fair.
If she wants the baby then she should work hard.
Simple, isn't it?
Her baby, her choice, her responsibility.
#Agreed
Women will just stop telling fathers until after 18 weeks. Let’s be honest, child support is not child support. It’s family support. A man has to finance a family he has nothing to do with. Women want that family support.
The father should have some time to decide even if the woman doesn't tell him straight away. Even if that means that she no longer is able to make an abortion. You just have to write the laws logically.
It could be done backwards: If a man doesn't ask for his parental rights within the first trimester of pregnancy, it is assumed that he won't take care of the child and he has no responsibilities. If he already asked for his parental rights, he won't have a right to withdraw. If he asks for his parental rights after the first trimester, he would need consent from the woman to get his rights (or maybe not, I'm not sure).
@@koliakrasotkin6846 This!👏
@@koliakrasotkin6846 Disagree on that. It should be a pain in the ass for the man to get rid of his parental rights, because otherwise men would have absolutely no consequences for getting a woman pregnant (ie they could lie about having had a vasectomy/being infertile or pulling of the condom), while the woman would still have to go get an abortion if she does not want the child. An abortion is not a pleasant experience (and can be a serious psychological burden for some), the morality of it is certainly not perfect and if we can avoid them without forcing parenthood on anybody we should. Men should have to go to some sort of a council, get advice/information about how parenthood CAN be a good thing etc. Maybe there should even still be some sort of a fee associated with it, nothing that would prevent somebody from getting rid of his parental rights and obligations and if somebody makes very little money they should be exempt but something like a month's salary. This would in part be to pay for the welfare of the children if needed but also to still incentivise men to care about birth control and not just go knocking up women left and right. It would hurt enough for men to not be stupid about it but not actually cripple them financially like actual child support would.
Additionally if no parental rights/obligations was the default this would lead to a lot of status quo bias, where many men that would otherwise have been happy to be a father could very well end up not being there for the child just because the status-quo is that they aren't taking the rights/obligations. A good example of this is the abysmally low rates of organ donations here in Germany because it's an opt-in system (and if you just ask people about wether they support organ donation the rate is far higher than the amount of people that actually carry an organ donator card) compared to other countries that have very high donations rates because it's an opt-out system with the default being that they will donate their organs. Everybody still has the option to refuse if they are that bothered by it but they have to declare/register it offically and this leads to much less shortage of organs without taking away anybody's choice.
But yeah women would have to disclose the pregnancy to men in some way that can be proven in order to prevent abuse of the system on that front.
@@diesertyp7822 I really appreciate your thoughtful response. The difficulty with the opt-out system lies in the fact that a woman could hide her pregnancy until the time of the man to decide is over and then demand responsibility from him. The opt-in system would solve that, but it carries other difficulties with it, some of which you very well pointed out (although I think they are a bit easier to deal with than those of the opt-out system). I agree that the part where I said "it is assumed that he won't take care of the child and he has no responsibilities" it's too much. He should have some kind of minimum responsibility that he cannot renounce (like the kind of things you mentioned), but not total responsibility nor zero responsibility. I still skew towards the opt-in system (with some adjustments), but your proposal is reasonable, so I remain open-minded.
I think this law makes a lot of sense. There's a double standard with accidental pregnancies where the woman can choose to have the child, but if the woman chooses to have the child the man is forced to take care of the woman and the child. That way of thinking is outdated. If you want true equality, you have to get rid of these double standards.
+Zeba Koli (Official account) you said"It is not double-standard because women were oppressed for centuries.
You think back in the day BOYS would not run off after getting a female
pregnant? All rights go to the mother because it is her body, the reason
the father has to pay is because he helped create that child. He cannot
just get off scotts-free.
By the way, this 'male abortion' is an oxymoron and it is not a true law
nor will it be enforced in Sweden let alone the UK or America."
when actually "back in the day" men got custody because men were financially responsible for the children, men had presumed custody up until "the tender years doctrine"
but it is really nice of you to admit that you need to justify the way that it is as "revenge" and have no other argument:
"It is not double-standard because women were oppressed for centuries."
I clicked on this getting ready to bash TYT for not wanting men to have the same opt out of parenthood that women seem to be so proud of. I'm pleasantly surprised.
If a woman can choose to terminate a pregnancy, a man should have the same right. I totally support this.
Stealing sperm from a condom or by any other means including while the guy is intoxicated should also be considered rape. It's his body he has the right to say no and to say what happens to what comes from the body.
Christina blanco I agree on that point men can be raped as well as women, this issue is not an easy one because with human nature and sexuality there are so many variables and situations that can happen in the sexual encounter .. most likely it leads to an unplanned pregnancy with unprotected sex,
If the guy feels violated and raped then let him go to the police and report her, then in that circumstance I agree he can sign away rights etc..
but if he consents to sex and is unprotected then ..
if your going to have sex like an adult then be prepared for the consequences!
Mistress Dreama but then when does the assault end. I once saw a man who had to pay child support for twins he never knew he had or knew existed he wasn't even allowed to see them until he got back together with the woman. Now the extremely messed up thing here is that the woman openly admitted that she stole his sperm from one of his used condoms took it to a sperm bank and they used it no questions asked. Went he tried to sue they told him it was his fault for not keeping track of his sperm. On a situation like this I would say a rapist should have a forced abortion. A rapist should never raise a child.
Christina blanco this issue is not an easy one there are a lot of grey areas, in that circumstance I agree that woman is a rapist and should pay fines , jail time etc or at least a settlement.., the children are the victims too, and sorry I don't think state forced abortion is the way in that case. no easy answer
Mistress Dreama emotions aside if people don't make the hard disions now then the children really will continue to suffer. The only way to eliminate the problem in most cases is to eliminate the consequence (the child) if not these people (most of them not fit to breed to begin with) will destroy these kids lives as a child raised in poverty with abusive parents I can honestly say that abortion seems bad to a lot of people but the alternative is often far worse for the child. However if we simply required a license to procreate and a form of birth control that was not optional until the license was obtained. Or no birth control and simple remove children from parents that don't have a license. Requiring both parents to be licensed would make sure they both wanted to be involved. These are all of course very extreme ways to deal with a problem people should be able to handle but won't so it will eventually get to this if people can't learn. I for one would be willing to forgo a few freedom's to insure a more mentally stable family setting for kids.
I think this makes sense. If women insist that a man has no ownership of the pregnancy, that implies that the man has no ownership for what happens after the pregnancy; he can't be held responsible for child support.
It's either:
A: Man and woman hold equal ownership over pregnancy, the man can then rightly call for abortion or bringing to term. He owns the situation just as much as a woman does.
B: Man and woman DO NOT hold equal ownership of the pregnancy. The sole ownership of the pregnancy is the woman. A man can rightly then refuse child support, since he has no ownership of that situation. It is solely the woman's responsibility to support the child.
I can't agree with you there. I would not have my child born and the mother deny my right to it because she didn't want me to have any contact. It takes two to make a child. Both have rights to the child. We are just asking for EQUAL rights to end the responsibility to the child if we see fit.
What if the woman chooses to just not tell him that she’s pregnant until after the 18th week?
I support this. Parenting is a two way street, if women have a right to it, then so should guys.
Equal rights would dictate that men should have a choice to
i was boutta be like BITCH then i saw sarcasm
KASNIR GAMING I had to say ‘sarcasm’ because otherwise someone would probably have a go and get all pissy.
Men shouldn't be forced to pay for or parent a child he didn't want. If a woman can opt out of parenting, why shouldn't men have the same choice? If you disagree with this then you disagree with equality.
only reason why im against this is that it's possible to put pressure on either men or women. also its very difficult to prove if eitger the man or woman wanted the child or not
Women have so many options for contraceptions, even if they're pregnant they have the opportunity to abort. All the while men have absolutely no say in the matter.
Well I say It's about time men do too!!
Basically if the woman gets to opt out of parenthood, she doesn't then get to enforce parenthood on an unwilling partner.
If you get to abort, I get to opt out too. Don't like it? Sucks for you.
Everything has consequences.
In their country a single parent isn't left high and dry like in the US.
I didn't read it as the man suggesting the woman have an abortion. I read it as him choosing to "abort" his fatherhood (meaning he is no longer a father, whether the child carries on existing or not). It's basically giving men the same rights to choose to be a parent or not as women have.
But it's not. The man still gets to proliferate his DNA without having to take responsibility for it.
+Asenueh He gets the right to live on without fianancing a woman for the next 21 years. Its freedom from a trap.
If you don't leave valid sperm inside a woman, she won't get pregnant. That's a fact of life. What happens later? Nothing.
"If a woman makes a unilateral decision to bring pregnancy to term, and the biological father does not, and cannot, share in this decision, he should not be liable for 21 years of support... autonomous women making independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance their choice." --Karen DeCrow, feminist & ex-president of N.O.W.
+ThothMRM "When a female determines she is pregnant, she has the freedom to decide if she has the maturity level to undertake the responsibilities of motherhood, if she is financially able to support a child, if she is at a
place in her career to take the time to have a child, or if she has other concerns precluding her from carrying the child to term. After weighing her options, the female may choose abortion. Once she aborts the fetus, the female's interests in and obligations to the child are terminated. In stark contrast, the unwed father has no options. His
responsibilities to the child begin at conception and can only be terminated with the female's decision to abort the fetus or with the mother's decision to give the child up for adoption. Thus, he must rely on the decisions of the female to determine his future. The putative father does not have the luxury, after the fact of conception, to decide
that he is not ready for fatherhood. Unlike the female, he has no escape route." --Melanie McCulley feminist & lawyer
To those that want men to be held accountable, and that men should not get out of their responsibility for those kids, FIRST hold yourself accountable for having sex, and no more getting out of your responsibility by abortion. Basically if women can get out of being held responsible so should men, you all wanted total equality, here it is...
I've been saying that for years, a man should be responsible for a child born with mutual consent and he later decides to opt out of the relationship, I have a friend who got drunk at a party, had a one nighter with a woman he barely knew, and six years later got slapped with child support for a kid he didn't even know existed. The other side of the coin is the guy who doesn't want to use protection thinks its cool to have lots of kid and leave mom stuck with the bills. I think there has to be a case by case common sense adjudication on the matter, I've seen too many cases of a young woman wanting a child talking some kid into fathering the child, then the boy is stuck with the bill for the next 18 to 20 years. Case in point was the 14 year old that thought he was a real stud when 4 or 5 16 year old girls decided they wanted to have a child each, the welfare authority did paternity test and found out all the babies had the same father, he thought he was a real stud and had no idea what he was getting into.
brenda cooper so you trust the government with men's freedom, but not your own. Typical feminist hypocrite, two faces with two chins each. How's this? If she's not married to the guy then he's not the father. His body, HIS choice!
But in a woman's mind, "fair" is whatever benefits her.
WTF are you talking about? "If she's not married to the guy then he's not the father" where do you get that from? If he chooses to dip his wick without protection, then he is the father, whether he likes it or not.
None of your comment makes sense, you quoting stuff that didn't even get said.
How about preventing pregnancy in the first place. If you don't want a child, take responsibility and either don't have sex or use protection. It's no secret.
So great to hear Cenk and Ana take on a key Men's Rights issue. Next up: Father's Right. Male suicide rates. Homelessness. The Gender Mortality Gap.
I see nothing wrong with this.
It should be a INTERNATIONAL, right for a MAN to refuse. Women have a strong hold thru the courts in making MEN pay up for a womans MISTAKE.
It's not male abortion. It's opting out of parenting.
Lauren Henderson opting out of parenting would be giving the child up for adoption. notice how the male never ends a potential life? that's why it's not "male abortion" lol
This is something that should already be a thing. A man should absolutely be allowed to opt out without any financial penalty.
It's not really an abortion, it's just giving up parental rights. People do it all the time by giving a baby up for adoption. It's just giving men choices that women already have.
+yak55x well said.
If a women doesn't want a child she can get an abortion.
If a man doesn't want a child no one gives a damn what he thinks, and he has to pay child support for 18 years lest he rot in jail.
How does anyone see this as remotely fair or anything of the sort?
Honestly, if you don't want children, either don't have sex or take as much precaution as possible. Then, be realistic about the possible consequences of sex and have a discussion with your partner about what you'll do if pregnancy happens BEFORE you have sex. Stop acting like it's 100% impossible, because that's how people find themselves in these tense situations. As for cases of rape, a woman should have every right to do what she wants with her own body, and if it's a man, cus rape happens to men too, they should be able to opt out of child support. If you cannot handle the potential consequences of your actions, invest in some high quality "toys." At least THEY can't screw you over in ways you'd rather they didn't.
Oh come off it-as if a woman can rape a man ( in a way that would result in a pregnancy anyway)
anony mous
Yes, a woman can rape a man in a way that would result in a pregnancy (and also in ways it wouldn't result in pregnancy). If your tiny brain doesn't have the power to come up with situation in which this would be possible, you are either: A)To young to be commenting on this video, or B)too stupid to be commenting on this video. So which is it?
anony mous search hermessman vs sayer case
As a woman, I completely agree with this. I've been called a traitor to women for agreeing with something like this. If a woman can terminate a child, in a consensual situation where the father wants the child, then the father should be allowed to say, "Hey, I don't want it!" in other situations.
+Candace Kaiser if that's so, do you think women have a right to financial assistance from the government when the baby is born?
+Chase Johnson Women already do regardless if he wants it or not. I received support for 2 years. Now, my situation is different. He wanted our child until 2 months after my son was born. So I was left holding the bag with a small child. If he had the legal option to say no, my situation would have looked completely different.
+Candace Kaiser women do get assistance, but what about the right of people who pay taxes to opt out? If the father can opt out, what about the right of people who pay taxes to do so also? They're even less responsible for the baby than the husband.
+Candace Kaiser What about the child? According to Swedish laws a child have a right to their origins and to their parents. There are already laws that allow the father to relinquish all legal rights and responsibilities for the child but allow the father to remain in the child's life. This would make it so that the father would be completely locked out of the child's life, which goes against the rights retained by the child. When a woman goes through an abortion, there is no child so this issue can't arise. Once the child is born on the other hand, the child do have rights of it's own.
I'm not familiar with Swedish law. So, I can't speak for them. I meant my statement more for the situation in the USA. I think men and women should have equal rights where pregnancy/children are concerned. Here in the USA, a mother can drop off the baby and get away without legal/financial repercussion. Why shouldn't a man be able to do the same?
I was just talking about this with my boyfriend. I support this. Too many women use babies as leverage for whatever crazy reason. Ladies need to take birth control and stop getting knocked up by losers or by guys that don’t want them or their babies.
Kimberly H also need to push for birth control for men.(just tagging this on)
Haven't agreed this strongly with TYT in a LONG time. I first heard about this almost 5 years ago and instantly saw how much fairer it was.
If you want equality between the sexes (not just for women), this is a step in the right direction.
if women have the ability to abort a child, men should have the right to do this.
Yeah, I support it. In a society where abortion and adoption are accessible, becoming a mother is the woman's choice, and a man shouldn't be responsible for that choice; The man should also have the choice on whether to become a father, and the woman should make her choice with his choice in mind.
I agree too.. It should be equal.