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I'm probably one of the few people that feel happy for Fletcher. We should feel happy he was knocked down a peg at the end, and I do to an extend, but he got his lifelong goal and made him a legend.
The genius of Whiplash is it could be seen either as one of the most emotional and inspiring films ever made, or one of the most depressing and cynical stories about obsession and submission ever put to screen, all depending on your way of looking at things
i fail to see how anyone can find this movie "inspiring". It's straight up obession to the point about loosing yourself. Just like Black Swan was in a similar way.
@@19Rena96 Happiness vs. self development is the point of the film. We live in a culture steeped in the notion that happiness itself is a worthy goal rather than happiness through self development. The products of that flawed notion are all around us.
Apparently, Damien Chazielle, seemingly in a joking manner, said that he once considered adding a post-credits scene to Whiplash set years after the film in which Andrew has died of a drug overdose and/or car crash in his mid-30s, and much of the cast is attending his funeral, with Fletcher giving one of the eulogies as only he could. It may have been a joke, but it still seems like an outcome that makes a scary amount of sense within the world of the film.
Well, Fletcher already drove one drummer to death. It would definitely make sense if Andrew ends up the same way. The big difference I guess is that one killed themselves from Fletcher's abuse and the other returns to his abuser and lives a reckless shell of a life.
@@thecoconutgum The director said it as a possibility. Look man. Whether Andrew died in his 30s from drugs or not, he lost his humanity, his family, his girlfriend, his friends and stuck to being one of the best drummers. This story is a story about every great musician from the past. I know it is because I'm passionate about music and I know a lot of the history behind great composers and musicians from the past. This is the toll it takes, this is the price. OR you can do what every modern musician is doing and just say "who cares, I'll sing 3 repetitive notes, but I'll sing about S E X cause it sells".
plausible answer is Fletcher took it, to see if Andrew would rise to the occasion. In an event Andrew wouldn't, it's possible Fletcher would have given another spare copy of the music to Tanner and the competition would have been fine
so at the end, Fletcher hands the folder back to Andrew. The one he stole a semester before, but Andrew is so consumed by obsession, he doesn't even notice. Wow.
according to the script, the a stagehand found the folder in the trash and brought it back to the band saying something like "the janitor may have accidentally thrown it away"
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My jazz band in high school competed regularly against Damien's. Damien was the drummer. In 20 years, they lost one time. Damien's director was what Fletcher was based off of. I have heard nothing but absolute CRUEL methods of that man's teaching style and I understand why Damien had to write the movie.
In high school, there was a girl in my class who was a trumpet prodigy. We had a young instructor who was a child prodigy himself and he even admits he isn't anywhere near her despite having 10 years more experience than her. And her instructor (unfortunately I dont remember his name) is a world class trumpet instructor. Considered the best. But I heard many stories about how cruel and how angry he can get. My band director spoke about him with fear in his eye and all of us already considered our band director to be extremely strict and cruel.
@@josephnissenson3252 while true. I don't necessarily see it as the tragic fate the video's making it out to be. We must consider that the protagonist comes from a family of never-beens, let has alone has-beens. He was born into a predetermined mediocrity established and perpetuated by those around him. This environment was not only stifling to his development, the circumstances did not reflect his own lack of effort or ambition. If anything, all efforts to subvert this status quo were continuously met with resistance, hostility, and undue criticism. What does it say about his own family when someone as unlikeable as Fletcher manages to become his de facto mentor, supplanting his own father who's essentially been a net negative impact on his own child's life all in the name of providing perspective. It's not like the family had every confidence in him to begin with and were simply unfortunate enough to entrust his education to someone with mal-intent. Quite the contrary, they thought very little of him and alienated him just because they didn't know what to do with someone of his caliber. Imagine being truly gifted at something and realizing early on that no one appreciates, understands, or even cares about the significance of your ambitions and progress. This creates an inconsistency between the family's words and actions that ultimately fractures Andrew's belief system once he realizes that his own home is no longer a source of comfort and safety. Therefore, even though the so-called villain is systematically breaking Andrew to further his own agenda, at least his goals are somewhat aligned with those of Andrew's. And for people who didn't want to "lose their child", Andrew's family certainly made it incredibly easy by essentially serving him to Fletcher pre broken.
Yeah, apparently Damien made a film short based on his HS experience, then expanded into the full feature Whiplash. This surprised me only because abusive teachers have a hard time not being exposed and fired - since the 90s of not 80s. There are too many good teachers who aren’t abusive assholes to keep people like Fletcher in the game. At least, if the district is doing its job.
What an ironic and almost intoxicating innocence there is about Andrew’s statement at dinner. People will always remember Andrew as that famous drummer “who died at 34 of drug overdose”. That last part would always taint his legacy even if he is remembered.
@@flacidhouse350 Honestly no one outside of jazz or drummers would even know who Parker is, nor who Teller's character is - Hendrix is different because he's a singer/guitar player and so his craft is immensely more popular. Jazz doesn't have that popularity so if Teller did die, that drug overdose and callous attitude would affect his legacy completely.
@@michaelrdobson5435 What Parker are you talking about? Also, the premise of the statement is that Teller becomes a famous drummer. The most famous Jazz Drummer working today is Tony Royster Jr. and plenty of people know who he is that aren't drummers or into Jazz. Guitar players and singers are not inherently more popular. Ringo was the most popular Beatle in the US. Everyone knows who Benny Goodman is. Lars Ulrich is the most famous member of Metallica and he doesn't sing. Jazz has a lot of popularity. It's just not as marketable as pop, and Jazz fans care much more about the people that make the music than pop fans. "Affect' is not "taint." Don't move the goal posts. Hendrix isn't tainted. Charlie Parker isn't tainted, and Teller, if he became great and died of an overdose wouldn't be tainted. A musician is more likely to be considered tainted for not doing drugs than dying of them.
@@flacidhouse350 plenty of people know who he is, sure, but I, the average university student does not. We know who Ringo is because he was on the Beatles, though he's the least well known of all the band members - Paul's popularity is more impressive cause he was the bass player. Who even said he's the most popular one in the US? Thus, the Beatles is a special case. Everyone cares about who Eilish is, or who Kanye is. They're far more famous than Royster. Intensity would also go to pop - look at Beatlemania and 1D fans. Hendrix isn't tainted because people knew who he was but he will always be known to be one of the greatest guitar players of all time who died at the age of 28. Cobain is a great musician, who died at 28. Amy Winehouse is an amazing artist, who died at 28. Parker is a great drummer, who died from an overdose. This pursuit of greatness at the cost of humanity is the film's lesson. Also your last statement is idiotic. Who would honestly think less of a person because they didn't OD?
If you watch the movie again, you will notice that there is no progressive color change in Andrew's clothing at all, that is, he frequently changes his clothes, sometimes light, sometimes dark. Interesting theory, however.
I've seen this same theory to apply to loads of movies, so it's quite common for people to try and apply it to each movie, and it doesn't even fit to whiplash, baseless selection of scenes to prove a theory(in vain) //
I don't consider the ending "happy" nor "sad" but satisfying. And I don't see Fletcher as the bad guy - simply an insane/extreme mentor character. The enemy in this story is mediocracy. I thought it was interesting that both "win" at the end - Andrew has become the musician both he and Fletcher wanted. But also Fletcher is "beaten" as Andrew rules the situation finally. I think it's this unique dynamic that makes this movie a standout.
Tekno Pathetic I mean this used to exist in schools before it became illegal. Good ol’ Capitol Punishment. Not saying students would be abused, maybe just hit once or twice but there may have been a teacher who was a little... excessive
I have a different take on Andrew's fathers reaction to his drum solo at the end through the door. His father is witnessing greatness in Andrew that he never saw before, a passion and intensity that was not present before. It was at this moment his father realizes how great his son really is at the drums.
His Father made his position well known early in the film when he said something to the effect of "you still have options" and "being older has given me perspective".... Remember when he chastised Andrew by saying "and from Lincoln Center" at the dinner table? His Father NEVER realized the potential his Son had within him.... The moment he stares through the door in "awe" is the when he finally Realized it, right as Andrew unleashed his greatness.... While he may also be having the somber realization that his 'little boy' is gone, he see's clearly the man emerging and I don't care what the script says this is by FAR the proudest moment of this Father's life.... Not even a question.
"and I don't care what the script says" that says it all really... if you disregard the writing and look at it through your own rose colored lens, then you are just refusing to see the whole message of the movie.
While you make an intelligent point in this video, I still think the act of going back out on stage and just starting to play his own music is so totally independent. Too much strength of character for him to end up a puppet to Fletcher or anyone else. Because of that, I also don't see him succumbing to unhealthy obsession. I don't see it as a happy-go-lucky ending, and Andrew may well end up isolated from the rest of humanity, but not to the point of misery and self-destruction.
Nice counterpoint but I think what makes that confidence buckle is the gaze of Andrew that was searching Fletcher's approval at the halt! His independence is a momentary leap only to plunge into the painful waters of loneliness that often comes in greatness.
@usmh im pretty sure he simply took the ''what happens after'' from pretty much every great be-bopers out there... Go check out Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Lee Morgan or Bud Powell and they almost all died from drug overdoses and despite being popular, were very lonely
I think the videomaker is also ironically being narrow-minded himself. He's judging andrew based upon his own values, which is is fallacious as he is not andrew and cannot judge what makes another person fulfilled. Even if andrew does die alone and full of booze, he may well find more value in living that life than the alternative. I think andrew made the right choice for himself, I personally think that if he didn't pursue his craft his life would feel empty and meaningless to him and he would spend the rest of his days wondering what might have been
People who think its a happy film seem to always forget how Fletcher starts giving instructions to Neiman at the end, showing he still has control over him. How when he smiles, its cut off. He's not smiling at Neiman, he's smiling to himself: "I was right all along. I was justified." How when Neiman sees that smile, hes has this horrible excited look on his face. He wasn't "proving Fletcher wrong", he was desperately chasing after acknowledgment. The film is littered with talk of what happened to Fletcher's last "star pupil", yet people think that wont be the case for Neimam even though he shows zero signs of detaching himself from that mentality.
Are you talking about the moment when only Fletcher's eyes are in the frame, but we can see his cheeks moving? I believe he is not smiling, but announcing "Whiplash", the song that marks the beginning, and now the end, of Andrew's character arc.
A detailed look at the undertones of this beautiful film. You´ve highlighted things in here that I had never really noticed or payed attention to, I may have to rewatch this film with a new perspective. Great video, you´ve earned another subscriber!
I think the ending is really up for interpretation, but the ultimate end of Andrew as stated by the actor and director fit perfectly. I could see alternatives like his dad was finally realizing how much the drums really truly meant to his son (in juxtaposition to the dismissive nature the family had at dinner) and felt bad about minimizing Andrew's passion. Andrew could end up leading a long successful life but end up just like Buddy Rich: an abusive yet talented drummer that is now more remembered for his cruelty than his music. Maybe Andrew would be alright with that, but it is a tragic ending for the character that we were rooting for. It's so gray and open for me because it's mixing passion with the horrendous reality of the abused returning to their abuser. There's so much to interpret from and project onto an ending like that.
I think his father looks at him in that scene and sees how amazing he is. No one in his family really understood how hard he was working and what he is trying to accomplish.
Ive always thought the lighting of Andrews old jazz class and the Studio Jazz room played a part on how we feel about those two very, _very_ seperate entities in the film
just finished watching this movie and I kind of understood the ending but I needed a deeper meaning, and here it is. Great Video dude, this movie was truly a masterpiece
God I am so glad someone else noticed the things that truly made this masterpiece beautiful. Most just think the insults that are often seen as humorous when things are carefully placed in this film to truly make you feel like you are at the breaking point right with that character and if the character or message conveyed something everyone has felt. A true feeling of melancholy when the screen goes black and your just left staring in awe.
Andrew will be dead in 15 years at max. That is what his father realice when he sees him at the end. But as you said, that is what Andrew wanted, and you can see Fletcher is satisfied, he finally found HIS Charlie Parker.
I had the same thoughts, I never saw the ending as happy. I found it rather sad and torturous. I thought I was watching the movie wrong because I didn’t see the ending as satisfying. Thanks for this
The ending is infinitely more philosophical than just "was it happy or sad." To someone like Andrew's father the ending is sad. To someone like Andrew or Fletcher its happy. Who is right at the end is entirely up for interpretation. Thats the point. Andrew got his success. Whether or not anyone else perceives it as such is irrelevant. It raises the age old philosophical question, is it better to die doing what you love, or to live a long life, bored?
I this this 'age old question' is stupid. Why the hell can you not do what you love and live a long happy life both at the same time? You can still strive for greatness but still occasionally go out with friends and family for your sanity lmao
I think it’s more about greatness at the cost of self destruction. Mediocrity is the enemy of the film, but being “average” also comes with having loving people around you and a support system. This is why although he achieved greatness he’s bound to live an otherwise hollow existence.
Success is success. You can’t just magically say you’re a successful person. Unfortunately, that’s not how life works. True lasting success comes from the acclaim from others. To be able to dominate your craft to the point where others can only admire and not bash. That’s success. I don’t know if Neiman reached that, I know he did become an amazing drummer but it cost him everything and all he got was some false validation from a demon like fletcher. The only way I see anything for him to be positive is if he flips fletcher off, goes solo and gets the recognition he deserves because he clearly had the talent and the ambition to do so. He doesn’t need fletcher or anyone who doesn’t truly value him, he just needs to let his passion and his art to speak for itself.
@@ap7football933 History has proven that usually the most deranged and crazy people are the greatest, because they change everything and anything to focus on that. But there are also great examples of people out there who are some of the GOAT's without being crazy mentally. You might have examples of Coltrane, Parker who died young, but also have Louis Armstrong who died at 70 on jazz. I'm a big F1 fan, and even though Ayrton Senna who died in his mid 30s of a car crash was insane, one of the most stable minded individuals is Lewis Hamilton which is one of the greats too. So it all depends on the perspective: you can be great, crazy and die young or you could also be great, a little crazy but not that much and have a good life. A lot of these musicians and these people who are some of the greats had a big life of pain and regret
Doing this in film so I just watched it, one of the greatest films ever. Every ounce of it was scattered with emotional conflict, the blood sweat and tears that Andrew put into his work and every facial expression outlined his empty feeling, when he breaks up with Nicole I felt was his moment of emptiness, he was before a funny, cheesy guy with a promising future, when he breaks up with Nicole he shows no emotion or sign of remorse and she clearly points out that he is fucked up. I think at the ending like u said it just set his feelings in stone, he ALMOST got his life back but when he met Simmons again he just went back to being the scared student that was hellbent on success
Great description! Made me think of how the "meeting at the crossroads" and the sale of a soul for the musical genius position has only adapted to role with the times...
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I see it differently which is why I like reading different interpretations of the ending. I see Andrew as different to previous bullied students or the ones that committed suicide. Andrew stood up to Fletcher, talked back to him and even fought him which others didn't do. He even kicked him out of the school, which was a first, he wasn't scared of the guy anymore. At the end when he gets humiliated, he comes back, plays and mouths FU to Terrence. Almost saying FU to it all, I'm finished playing whether good or bad. At the ending he did his solo to his tempo. Terrence wasn't really conducting him, only the part where he said slow it down and speed it up. He got the nod in the end and Andrew smiled. Maybe he continued, maybe not but he fought back.
This is a true story that happened to a friend of mine. To achieve the greatness you must be obssessive and focused. Well true story he has 3 launched solo álbums and yes no one plays like him.
Yea he said to his movie gf 😂 that he had problem making eye contact but then at the ending, HE MADE EYE CONTACT with Fletcher. So he is now is a new human being, brainwashed. Love this movie
I agree with everyone when they say JK Simmon was amazing in this role, and this whole movie was amazing, and the message is amazingly subtle and open to interpretations, but I DO preffer this theory. Fletcher drove another student to suicide, and the conversation at the restaurant prooves that he has no remorse, OR at the very least is so arrogant about his methods he doesn't realize what they lead to. Getting an aprooving nod from a guy like this is hardly a victory worth celebrating.
You know i never understood why the director and everyone predicts such a horrible or lonely life for Neiman after this point. I see this ending as Neiman taking back control and making Fletcher go on his tempo for once in his career. He did what no one else could and shows that hes now in control. He knows what he wants in life and takes it here. Its not in Neimans character to die of young age from addiction or depression hes tenacious. This is him making it. I think that whole addiction and overdoes ending at 30 is what would happen if Neiman DIDNT make it and walked off that stage for good.
I think the exact moment he loses himself is when fletcher gives leprechaun his spot, the scene where Andrew walks into his office going to yell at him but he was getting the call that the kid died
Others: Talking about Andrew, color of his clothings, Fletcher, what they think it is etc. Me (as a drummer and percussionist): *getting very disoriented by the drumming because the movie's audio and visual doesn't match the sounds of the acoustic drums played* but kudos for the actor to train very hard for this scene!
Never really connected the dying at 30 drunk and alone talk to the outcome of Andrew's life before, thanks for pointing that out. Damn, bleaker ending then I thought. I also always interpreted the father staring as him through the curtain as being in awe of his son, the script showing him being sad was not that clear to me. I think maybe they intentionally chose a scene/shot it in a way to keep it somewhat open ended enough that viewers could draw their own conclusions. I like that art lets you do that, that often the true meaning is ultimately subjective and in the eyes of the viewer. Amazing film
The colour green during Fletcher's scene represents envy, envy against Jo Jones. The colour yellow in Andrew's scene represent greed, his greed to become one of tge greatest.
Generally, I think your ideas on what 'what happens next' is very plausible but I also think the idea of using colors to define his progression is a bit misplaced. Yes, it's easy to say that you start out in the movie with whites to indicate innocence and then evolve into blacks to show the progression into madness (sorta speak), but I think you are reading more into it than is really there. As a few others mention, the use of black colors for the band is typical band attire. Usually, the conductor/leader has some opposite color to call them out as the "leader" but in the case of Fletcher, I think he preferred the black color because, in that context, he wants to be seen as an equal but also out front. To me, this reads "I'm one of you but also I'm leading you" based on his dialog across the movie. You see this illustrated when it's in the jazz club after being sacked from Schafer, he's in colors that support his individuality indicating that he's not a member of the group but a "drop-in" artist - he stands on his own. If you think back to the story of Jim Jones throwing a cymbal at Bird, he clearly sees himself as an equal to Jim Jones and based on his opinion of what his role is, to bring the next Bird to the world, his actions are justified - at any cost. He all but says that when in the jazz club scene. "I fucking tried....and that's more than most can say" As Andrew ultimately determines his direction in life, he realizes that even with all the horrible things that Fletcher says and does, I honestly think he comes to the conclusion that "this is the process to becoming great.." the Bird story justifies this to Andrew. Even with the Shawn Casey incident where you see Fletcher does have some humanity, it doesn't change Andrews mind'. The most important step in the movie is after Fletcher sets up Andrew for the ultimate musician humiliation of not getting the sheet music to the JVC show, Fletcher gives him the nudge that changes his life. Walk away humiliated and never play drums again, or prove to Fletcher that he's better and he knows he's better. His father tells him it's OK to fail because failing is also trying and trying is always better. But at that moment when he sees his father waiting in the wings, he knew he was faced with the final truth of the movie. Live life as my father has done, or live life as a world-class musician. At that moment is when his greatness is finally realized when he comes back with his chin held high and immediately changes the one element of the movie he never had. Control. This was the last thing Fletcher would think Andrew would do given the "...extra Avante guard from the rhythm section". As a musician myself, I had to chuckle at that comment. He changed the rules of the game - Andrew took control of the band and in doing so, put him in the position to show the world on his own terms that's he's a world-class musician. Fletcher has no choice but to follow completely flipping the balance of their relationship. You knew this immediately when Andrew kicks off Karavan. The look on Fletcher's face says it all "What the hell is this kid doing". He was genuinely confused. This is driven home when Andrew mouth's "Fuck You!" to Fletcher in the middle of the gig. That's some balls and he knew it. It was a nice touch to honor the Buddy Rich Impossible Drum Solo (it's on youtube - it's nuts) To wrap up, in a sense, you could contend that there are two father figures in Andrews life. Fletcher who he knows can make him great, and his real father that allows him to fail and still be his son. For those that think the Fletcher character is a little overly done, I can say that's far more common than you know. And I could really relate to how Andrew followed this man because of the greatness he wanted to achieve. I had a music teacher that was really strict in high school but he also was very well known so you knew it was a special thing to be with them every day. As much as a cursed his name when he would come down hard and yes, I had a the end of a conducter's baton tossed at me and time or three. When he left my senior year, I cried like a baby.
Great, great, great analysis. I had a film teacher who was exactly like that, cursing his students, unhappy with anything short of perfection. I developed major anxiety and depression on my first semester and was out. Looking back on it now-more than five years later-the memories still manage to cause significant stress in me.
Astragen Astro and Andrew is Anakin. It’s very similar he loses his loved ones (dad and girlfriend) and just wants to to be the best drummer and is so narrow minded about everything and everyone else
I didn’t feel satisfied by the ending. I was happy Andrew finally got to show off his skill, achieve his dream, and show up his abuser after he tried to humiliate and blackball him. But for some reason I felt the ending bittersweet and something was off. And I think you just put into words why I felt that way. The poor guy was obsessed with becoming a legend, he lost what it is to be a person. And the thing he once loved now causes him to bleed and blister. It sounds excellent, he performs excellently, but that excellence is the result of performing way far ahead of what a typical person is capable of to the point of bleeding and injury to his hands. A perfect encapsulation of the toxic, self-destructive side of passion and greatness
hm... honestly... this is such a hard theme to talk about... hmm if i died happily at my 50s with my wifie and kids and won several competitions, that would be alright, but drug overdose at 30 alone but greatest musician? I really love jazz right next to classical but honestly. Jazz is dead it is 21st century. No one would surpass Buddy Rich because he was already the greatest. JOJO MAYER came pretty close but even he is making electronic music now with his band nerve. But pure acoustic jazz is dead. The greatest musician in the 21st century... idk if it would be possible honestly when virtuosity is not a thing now. But, for example Chopin died 200 years ago and people including myself still play him because he is the greatest classical pianist to me. People still listen to Buddy Rich but can anyone play like him? Maybe Jojo Mayer or Benny Greb but they are really underground now.
As a bass player in All County Orchestra, I wholeheartedly agree. I've worn all kinds of black, "professional" clothing, and it has no reflection on my inner self being. :P
That's your opinion. I've been watching the ending for a few days now, what I take from this is the fact that Andrew won his ending objective. He won Fletcher's respect. When they cut to his father, I see his look that says "I get it now." He sees his son at his best, he realizes how he didn't get it, he didn't understand it until now (this ending scene.) Every time I watch this particular scene, I watch his dad's look, it give me goosebumps, that smile Andrew gives at the end says it all.
I honestly see the character getting fame but ultimately seeing how he had to push everyone away then coming back to being himself. I don't think he would die in his 30's at all. he'd just continue to play gigs and stuff or maybe try to mentor someone
Buddy Rich was a hardass and somewhat arrogant but he seemed like a good friend to have and lived to a pretty fine age. Buddy Rich is Andrew's hero, after all, so maybe that's how he ends up. He lives to play the drums so perhaps he lives a long time to play them as much as possible. You speak as though all great musicians were fucked up addicts who wound up choking on their own vomit but that's not true. Besides, it's always aimless college kids who go around partying all the time. Andrew has a single minded focus and while he may get into speed or something, I don't see him being consumed by drugs.
In the movie he's shown to be very standoffish and egotistical. There wasn't much character development in the movie at all (in the classical sense) to show that he had become a better person...on the contrary, it's likely he has just become more toxic based on his success. Ultimately he's a tragic character.
as a drummer who was beaten to become the best, I have to disagree a little bit. when you finally see who you are and what you will become you get lost in the tide but when you know who you are, well. You do what you were meant to become. yeah it can change you but you'll always be you.
13th Evergreen very much true, Lebron said this same exact thing. People don't understand that this comes with striving to be the greatest. You push away your family and friends sometimes to do what you love
Ya Heard nope, if anything it brought me closer to my friends, family, and love one. Because their will be times that you can't do it (or feel that way) and your love ones help you become that person. im sorry if you don't agree but you most have a sad story. not me, well not at the end
To be that good, as shown in the performance at the end, takes more than love and dedication to the instrument, it takes insanity, also no one person can truly be the best, music is way to subjective,top ten maybe, that said it was a great fuckin movie, definitely dark but uplifting as well, I’m not perfect, you’re not perfect, no one is perfect!, but this was a near perfect representation of the human condition. Also like and subscribe to this guy, he’s not there yet but he’s definitely on his way🤘🏻
Y'all can be negative all you want, but we live in this world of technological marvels today because of Andrews. I sense a lack of gratitude and excuse making by those who don't see the benefits of people like Andrew, because they're happy in their own 40 hour workweek lives sliding by.
I do think that the ending was meant to be ambiguous but his father definitely saw his son in a worse light at that moment rather than a better one in the directors eyes.
Hold Up..... His dad looked like he lost him? I took it as him finally understanding his son, as he witnessed a legendary moment. Be like a father seeing his son hit a home run and cries because he has lost him..... I get it and it fits the morals better.
Andrew was 110% devoted to becoming "one of the greatest" and clearly would do anything including shutting his friends and family out. But there is also a side of him that is not selfish and shows that he does care. For example, he called and apologized to the girl he liked, invited her to the concert and asked he to go out on another date. I like to think at the end, once he got all he wanted, he would make time for his loved ones and still pursued his career as one of the greatest drummers to ever live.
Andrew's become broken after the end of the film, becoming one of the greats and it is definitely proven in the solo. That goes a long way, but of course, it makes one's mind so fragile it cannot always keep up. I don't know if I should respect Terrence Fletcher or not. I just know that he didn't expect his own "creation of Charlie Parker" to finally come to light. And now... Andrew has become a great musician... with the cost of his central humanity... :/ Sad, but I think that's the hard tradeoff. Can't argue after what happened. Though I know for a fact Nicole would find out later on. Maybe if she would talk to him again, she would find Andrew already bleeding too much for striving to be so much more? Dunno. I'm looking and looking for answers, people! ^_^
Or he could have gone on to live a fulfilling life having realized one of his goals. As opposed to having walked away and continued living a life of mediocrity? But of course where you go from here... is up to you.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the whole clothing bit and the pitcher of water is you looking a bit too deep into it. After all, you can get the gist of what is happening to Andrew without the clothing and the pitcher of water. I think the biggest hint in the movie was the fact that the incredible trumpet player that Fletcher taught, committed suicide even though he had reached such a high level of success. It foreshadows the path that Andrew is going to take and the dark nature of the obsession he has.
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But what subject for a video should I do next? Either a video essay or a cancelled project!
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how sound is equally or even more important than looks to give a video the quality edge and great examples of sound and musicdesign
how nolan uses time as a literal theme or in storytelling and how's it an important aspect in nearly all of his films
translate critique speak: what makes acting good, how do you differentiate between good directing and good sciptwriting, what is pace, what is good set-design and how does a good cameraman enhance that
The very unique style of coan-brother movies
How doe current world events and politics influence out taste in movies and pop-culture
About the filterbubble
Roger deakins
How youtube can change the way you learn and get inspired. Especially as a creative person
About the miss perception that because everybody has a great camera in his phone, videomakers and real photographers get useless.
The final kitchen fight in the raid 2
"The academy club" and how the oscars aren't neutral
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What song is playing in the background?
I'm probably one of the few people that feel happy for Fletcher. We should feel happy he was knocked down a peg at the end, and I do to an extend, but he got his lifelong goal and made him a legend.
The genius of Whiplash is it could be seen either as one of the most emotional and inspiring films ever made, or one of the most depressing and cynical stories about obsession and submission ever put to screen, all depending on your way of looking at things
That's exactly it. That's the hall mark of true art. Depending on who you are, you will intrepret it differently.
I take it as inspiring and emotional yet can see that obvious obsession. It’s easier to view it as inspiring anyway
i fail to see how anyone can find this movie "inspiring". It's straight up obession to the point about loosing yourself. Just like Black Swan was in a similar way.
@@19Rena96 Happiness vs. self development is the point of the film. We live in a culture steeped in the notion that happiness itself is a worthy goal rather than happiness through self development. The products of that flawed notion are all around us.
@@eddie351 He's not happy tho 🤷🏼♀️
Apparently, Damien Chazielle, seemingly in a joking manner, said that he once considered adding a post-credits scene to Whiplash set years after the film in which Andrew has died of a drug overdose and/or car crash in his mid-30s, and much of the cast is attending his funeral, with Fletcher giving one of the eulogies as only he could. It may have been a joke, but it still seems like an outcome that makes a scary amount of sense within the world of the film.
No, because he respected and loved his Dad and knew he was every thing to him
He couldn't do it
i did read an article about that, it's dark and i find it perfect
Well, Fletcher already drove one drummer to death. It would definitely make sense if Andrew ends up the same way. The big difference I guess is that one killed themselves from Fletcher's abuse and the other returns to his abuser and lives a reckless shell of a life.
1000th like lol
It's a little on the nose, I liked that he left Andrew's future up to the audience.
“Fuck off Jonny Utah, turn my pages bitch” is one of my favorite lines from the film 😂
Yeah mine too the delivery was amazing
@@Notreallyhereanymore why do you think I just threw a chair at you andrew
@@sleepdrowsy7286 I I I I don’t know
@@Notreallyhereanymore are you rushing?
or are you DRAGGING??
@@taternater7495 uh uhh uh I don’t know
I never fully realized how dark the ending was until this analysis.
Me neither
Me neither
it's just an opinion.. the way I see it, Andrew never used drugs.. so he would never die for it.
@@mangkyou I'm pretty sure the director confirmed this though
@@thecoconutgum The director said it as a possibility.
Look man. Whether Andrew died in his 30s from drugs or not, he lost his humanity, his family, his girlfriend, his friends and stuck to being one of the best drummers.
This story is a story about every great musician from the past.
I know it is because I'm passionate about music and I know a lot of the history behind great composers and musicians from the past.
This is the toll it takes, this is the price. OR you can do what every modern musician is doing and just say "who cares, I'll sing 3 repetitive notes, but I'll sing about S E X cause it sells".
I think the real question is what really happened to that folder? haha
Maybe fletcher took it
plausible answer is Fletcher took it, to see if Andrew would rise to the occasion. In an event Andrew wouldn't, it's possible Fletcher would have given another spare copy of the music to Tanner and the competition would have been fine
I agree, Fletcher took it, no doubt in my mind.
Lol i wonder what did happen tho
@@sd5919 so Andrew took it just to fuck the other guy over?
so at the end, Fletcher hands the folder back to Andrew. The one he stole a semester before, but Andrew is so consumed by obsession, he doesn't even notice. Wow.
Wait so the end concert folder is the same folder that magically vanished into thin air earlier in movie 😲?
Bruh
according to the script, the a stagehand found the folder in the trash and brought it back to the band saying something like "the janitor may have accidentally thrown it away"
White to Black could be seen as his mastery of the art. Like Jiu Jistsu or martial arts rankings
Or the fact that it's a fucking jazz concert and black is mandatory...
Killinguiz2ez #1 so why is everyone else except for him and fletcher wearing white shirts?
@@wesley5729 Because hes a fucking drummer....
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My jazz band in high school competed regularly against Damien's. Damien was the drummer. In 20 years, they lost one time. Damien's director was what Fletcher was based off of. I have heard nothing but absolute CRUEL methods of that man's teaching style and I understand why Damien had to write the movie.
In high school, there was a girl in my class who was a trumpet prodigy. We had a young instructor who was a child prodigy himself and he even admits he isn't anywhere near her despite having 10 years more experience than her.
And her instructor (unfortunately I dont remember his name) is a world class trumpet instructor. Considered the best. But I heard many stories about how cruel and how angry he can get. My band director spoke about him with fear in his eye and all of us already considered our band director to be extremely strict and cruel.
To show how you achieve the success to practically never lose in 20 years?
@@facundotortora687 yes but also to examine the costs and rewards of the obsessed mindset
@@josephnissenson3252 while true. I don't necessarily see it as the tragic fate the video's making it out to be. We must consider that the protagonist comes from a family of never-beens, let has alone has-beens.
He was born into a predetermined mediocrity established and perpetuated by those around him. This environment was not only stifling to his development, the circumstances did not reflect his own lack of effort or ambition. If anything, all efforts to subvert this status quo were continuously met with resistance, hostility, and undue criticism.
What does it say about his own family when someone as unlikeable as Fletcher manages to become his de facto mentor, supplanting his own father who's essentially been a net negative impact on his own child's life all in the name of providing perspective.
It's not like the family had every confidence in him to begin with and were simply unfortunate enough to entrust his education to someone with mal-intent. Quite the contrary, they thought very little of him and alienated him just because they didn't know what to do with someone of his caliber.
Imagine being truly gifted at something and realizing early on that no one appreciates, understands, or even cares about the significance of your ambitions and progress. This creates an inconsistency between the family's words and actions that ultimately fractures Andrew's belief system once he realizes that his own home is no longer a source of comfort and safety. Therefore, even though the so-called villain is systematically breaking Andrew to further his own agenda, at least his goals are somewhat aligned with those of Andrew's. And for people who didn't want to "lose their child", Andrew's family certainly made it incredibly easy by essentially serving him to Fletcher pre broken.
Yeah, apparently Damien made a film short based on his HS experience, then expanded into the full feature Whiplash.
This surprised me only because abusive teachers have a hard time not being exposed and fired - since the 90s of not 80s. There are too many good teachers who aren’t abusive assholes to keep people like Fletcher in the game. At least, if the district is doing its job.
Or he could become something way worse. A RUclipsr.
EVEN WORSE APART OF TEAM TEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shots fired
Need a senzu for that one
@@tinyrobot9989 haha
OH NO
What an ironic and almost intoxicating innocence there is about Andrew’s statement at dinner. People will always remember Andrew as that famous drummer “who died at 34 of drug overdose”. That last part would always taint his legacy even if he is remembered.
Senator Armstromg such events never tainted the legacy of Bonham or Moon
Sure the legacy of Jimi Hendrix is tainted.
@@flacidhouse350 Honestly no one outside of jazz or drummers would even know who Parker is, nor who Teller's character is - Hendrix is different because he's a singer/guitar player and so his craft is immensely more popular. Jazz doesn't have that popularity so if Teller did die, that drug overdose and callous attitude would affect his legacy completely.
@@michaelrdobson5435 What Parker are you talking about? Also, the premise of the statement is that Teller becomes a famous drummer.
The most famous Jazz Drummer working today is Tony Royster Jr. and plenty of people know who he is that aren't drummers or into Jazz.
Guitar players and singers are not inherently more popular. Ringo was the most popular Beatle in the US. Everyone knows who Benny Goodman is. Lars Ulrich is the most famous member of Metallica and he doesn't sing.
Jazz has a lot of popularity. It's just not as marketable as pop, and Jazz fans care much more about the people that make the music than pop fans.
"Affect' is not "taint." Don't move the goal posts. Hendrix isn't tainted. Charlie Parker isn't tainted, and Teller, if he became great and died of an overdose wouldn't be tainted. A musician is more likely to be considered tainted for not doing drugs than dying of them.
@@flacidhouse350 plenty of people know who he is, sure, but I, the average university student does not.
We know who Ringo is because he was on the Beatles, though he's the least well known of all the band members - Paul's popularity is more impressive cause he was the bass player. Who even said he's the most popular one in the US? Thus, the Beatles is a special case.
Everyone cares about who Eilish is, or who Kanye is. They're far more famous than Royster. Intensity would also go to pop - look at Beatlemania and 1D fans.
Hendrix isn't tainted because people knew who he was but he will always be known to be one of the greatest guitar players of all time who died at the age of 28. Cobain is a great musician, who died at 28. Amy Winehouse is an amazing artist, who died at 28. Parker is a great drummer, who died from an overdose. This pursuit of greatness at the cost of humanity is the film's lesson.
Also your last statement is idiotic. Who would honestly think less of a person because they didn't OD?
Great video! I never noticed the colour change in Andrew's clothing; yet another reason to love this film. Keep up the awesome content! Subbed.
If you watch the movie again, you will notice that there is no progressive color change in Andrew's clothing at all, that is, he frequently changes his clothes, sometimes light, sometimes dark. Interesting theory, however.
I've seen this same theory to apply to loads of movies, so it's quite common for people to try and apply it to each movie, and it doesn't even fit to whiplash, baseless selection of scenes to prove a theory(in vain) //
Yeah the guy was stretching just like any pseudo film genius on this website
He was wearing all black in the end coz that’s what you have to wear in those concerts ...
For me it's stupid. When you play concert, you need to dress elegancly. Black is the best in it
I don't consider the ending "happy" nor "sad" but satisfying. And I don't see Fletcher as the bad guy - simply an insane/extreme mentor character. The enemy in this story is mediocracy. I thought it was interesting that both "win" at the end - Andrew has become the musician both he and Fletcher wanted. But also Fletcher is "beaten" as Andrew rules the situation finally. I think it's this unique dynamic that makes this movie a standout.
Not a bad guy? He drove a student to kill himself and then he lied about it. Plus he was a racist POS
@@freebee8221 And sexist, and homophobic.
Sorry but a teacher who abuses their students, especially physically, is a bad guy.
Tekno Pathetic I mean this used to exist in schools before it became illegal. Good ol’ Capitol Punishment. Not saying students would be abused, maybe just hit once or twice but there may have been a teacher who was a little... excessive
Yes
This guy is hella underrated
Gabriel Rodriguez I think he's talking about the youtube channel...
Why can't this kind of stuff be on the trending tab?
Because a lot of people would try copying this and would be very boring in the future.
It would lose its value then :)
Still getting goosebumps while watching the last scene; even though I've watched it a million times now. Masterpiece.
What happens next is "Mini-Me" re-enters Fletcher's sight and Fletcher demolishes him
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As Omni Man
I have a different take on Andrew's fathers reaction to his drum solo at the end through the door. His father is witnessing greatness in Andrew that he never saw before, a passion and intensity that was not present before. It was at this moment his father realizes how great his son really is at the drums.
Ur take according to the script would be wrong. But ur welcome to view it through ur own lens
what does the script say
shrapnel77...That's how I saw it too. I ignore the "success is a failure" script.
His Father made his position well known early in the film when he said something to the effect of "you still have options" and "being older has given me perspective".... Remember when he chastised Andrew by saying "and from Lincoln Center" at the dinner table? His Father NEVER realized the potential his Son had within him.... The moment he stares through the door in "awe" is the when he finally Realized it, right as Andrew unleashed his greatness.... While he may also be having the somber realization that his 'little boy' is gone, he see's clearly the man emerging and I don't care what the script says this is by FAR the proudest moment of this Father's life.... Not even a question.
"and I don't care what the script says"
that says it all really... if you disregard the writing and look at it through your own rose colored lens, then you are just refusing to see the whole message of the movie.
While you make an intelligent point in this video, I still think the act of going back out on stage and just starting to play his own music is so totally independent. Too much strength of character for him to end up a puppet to Fletcher or anyone else. Because of that, I also don't see him succumbing to unhealthy obsession. I don't see it as a happy-go-lucky ending, and Andrew may well end up isolated from the rest of humanity, but not to the point of misery and self-destruction.
Nice counterpoint but I think what makes that confidence buckle is the gaze of Andrew that was searching Fletcher's approval at the halt! His independence is a momentary leap only to plunge into the painful waters of loneliness that often comes in greatness.
@usmh im pretty sure he simply took the ''what happens after'' from pretty much every great be-bopers out there... Go check out Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Lee Morgan or Bud Powell and they almost all died from drug overdoses and despite being popular, were very lonely
I think the videomaker is also ironically being narrow-minded himself. He's judging andrew based upon his own values, which is is fallacious as he is not andrew and cannot judge what makes another person fulfilled. Even if andrew does die alone and full of booze, he may well find more value in living that life than the alternative. I think andrew made the right choice for himself, I personally think that if he didn't pursue his craft his life would feel empty and meaningless to him and he would spend the rest of his days wondering what might have been
Couldn't agree more, AeneasGemini.
Being the best shouldn't be the goal.. It's being you
The ending was a stark reminder of how as humans we crave the praise of people who give you none.
People who think its a happy film seem to always forget how Fletcher starts giving instructions to Neiman at the end, showing he still has control over him.
How when he smiles, its cut off. He's not smiling at Neiman, he's smiling to himself: "I was right all along. I was justified."
How when Neiman sees that smile, hes has this horrible excited look on his face. He wasn't "proving Fletcher wrong", he was desperately chasing after acknowledgment.
The film is littered with talk of what happened to Fletcher's last "star pupil", yet people think that wont be the case for Neimam even though he shows zero signs of detaching himself from that mentality.
Can u please provide me the name/ link of background music at 1:15 ?
Are you talking about the moment when only Fletcher's eyes are in the frame, but we can see his cheeks moving? I believe he is not smiling, but announcing "Whiplash", the song that marks the beginning, and now the end, of Andrew's character arc.
finally someone said it
I felt more like Fletcher was just following along with Andrew at the final performance - just feeding off his energy.
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A detailed look at the undertones of this beautiful film. You´ve highlighted things in here that I had never really noticed or payed attention to, I may have to rewatch this film with a new perspective. Great video, you´ve earned another subscriber!
Thank you so much! Rewatching this movie for the video was totally worth it. Even better than I remember
Instant classic and an amazing film. One of only a few truly decent films to come out of hollywood in a long time
I think the ending is really up for interpretation, but the ultimate end of Andrew as stated by the actor and director fit perfectly. I could see alternatives like his dad was finally realizing how much the drums really truly meant to his son (in juxtaposition to the dismissive nature the family had at dinner) and felt bad about minimizing Andrew's passion. Andrew could end up leading a long successful life but end up just like Buddy Rich: an abusive yet talented drummer that is now more remembered for his cruelty than his music. Maybe Andrew would be alright with that, but it is a tragic ending for the character that we were rooting for. It's so gray and open for me because it's mixing passion with the horrendous reality of the abused returning to their abuser. There's so much to interpret from and project onto an ending like that.
I think his father looks at him in that scene and sees how amazing he is. No one in his family really understood how hard he was working and what he is trying to accomplish.
Ive always thought the lighting of Andrews old jazz class and the Studio Jazz room played a part on how we feel about those two very, _very_ seperate entities in the film
just finished watching this movie and I kind of understood the ending but I needed a deeper meaning, and here it is. Great Video dude, this movie was truly a masterpiece
This movie is like a fusion of Full Metal Jacket and Martyrs, but about musicians.
God I am so glad someone else noticed the things that truly made this masterpiece beautiful. Most just think the insults that are often seen as humorous when things are carefully placed in this film to truly make you feel like you are at the breaking point right with that character and if the character or message conveyed something everyone has felt. A true feeling of melancholy when the screen goes black and your just left staring in awe.
I read somewhere that both Fletcher and Andrew each thought they won.
This is one of the most insightful and we'll spoken videos I have ever seen on RUclips.
Andrew will be dead in 15 years at max. That is what his father realice when he sees him at the end.
But as you said, that is what Andrew wanted, and you can see Fletcher is satisfied, he finally found HIS Charlie Parker.
MrMicrophone I mean the script which is shown in the video clearly states otherwise but hey, I guess the real truth lies in the RUclips comments 🤣
I had the same thoughts, I never saw the ending as happy. I found it rather sad and torturous. I thought I was watching the movie wrong because I didn’t see the ending as satisfying. Thanks for this
The ending is infinitely more philosophical than just "was it happy or sad." To someone like Andrew's father the ending is sad. To someone like Andrew or Fletcher its happy. Who is right at the end is entirely up for interpretation. Thats the point. Andrew got his success. Whether or not anyone else perceives it as such is irrelevant. It raises the age old philosophical question, is it better to die doing what you love, or to live a long life, bored?
i don’t agree with the age old question, but you’re right the movies ending can be seen as happy or sad depending on what view you have on fulfilment
I this this 'age old question' is stupid. Why the hell can you not do what you love and live a long happy life both at the same time? You can still strive for greatness but still occasionally go out with friends and family for your sanity lmao
I think it’s more about greatness at the cost of self destruction. Mediocrity is the enemy of the film, but being “average” also comes with having loving people around you and a support system. This is why although he achieved greatness he’s bound to live an otherwise hollow existence.
Success is success. You can’t just magically say you’re a successful person. Unfortunately, that’s not how life works. True lasting success comes from the acclaim from others. To be able to dominate your craft to the point where others can only admire and not bash. That’s success. I don’t know if Neiman reached that, I know he did become an amazing drummer but it cost him everything and all he got was some false validation from a demon like fletcher. The only way I see anything for him to be positive is if he flips fletcher off, goes solo and gets the recognition he deserves because he clearly had the talent and the ambition to do so. He doesn’t need fletcher or anyone who doesn’t truly value him, he just needs to let his passion and his art to speak for itself.
@@ap7football933 History has proven that usually the most deranged and crazy people are the greatest, because they change everything and anything to focus on that. But there are also great examples of people out there who are some of the GOAT's without being crazy mentally. You might have examples of Coltrane, Parker who died young, but also have Louis Armstrong who died at 70 on jazz. I'm a big F1 fan, and even though Ayrton Senna who died in his mid 30s of a car crash was insane, one of the most stable minded individuals is Lewis Hamilton which is one of the greats too. So it all depends on the perspective: you can be great, crazy and die young or you could also be great, a little crazy but not that much and have a good life. A lot of these musicians and these people who are some of the greats had a big life of pain and regret
Doing this in film so I just watched it, one of the greatest films ever. Every ounce of it was scattered with emotional conflict, the blood sweat and tears that Andrew put into his work and every facial expression outlined his empty feeling, when he breaks up with Nicole I felt was his moment of emptiness, he was before a funny, cheesy guy with a promising future, when he breaks up with Nicole he shows no emotion or sign of remorse and she clearly points out that he is fucked up. I think at the ending like u said it just set his feelings in stone, he ALMOST got his life back but when he met Simmons again he just went back to being the scared student that was hellbent on success
*I beg to differ. History has shown it is better to extract perfection by example of oneself than by violence and intimidation of another!*
Great description!
Made me think of how the "meeting at the crossroads" and the sale of a soul for the musical genius position has only adapted to role with the times...
I just watched the movie but I genuinely can’t get how people see the ending as a “happy” ending, even at first glance.
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Steel sharpens steel. And greatness has a cost. That's the theme of this movie.
I always assumed that Andrew spends the next 5 years berating Fletcher to become a better conductor.
I found this channel a week ago and the quality you put in your observation, writing and editing is incredible. I'll take a well written and thought out, scripted 4min video, discussing a topic with passion and dedication over any 10:30 lifestyle bullshittery any time. Channels like yours are the future of this platform.
abisz007007 Thank you so much man, it's always comments that these that keep me going. I'm learning as I go so there's definitely some work to be done! But I'll be sure to try my best to make quality content
the meaning of the colors completely went over my head, but now it makes sense, and it fits perfectly. a great detail, and also a great video!
I see it differently which is why I like reading different interpretations of the ending. I see Andrew as different to previous bullied students or the ones that committed suicide. Andrew stood up to Fletcher, talked back to him and even fought him which others didn't do. He even kicked him out of the school, which was a first, he wasn't scared of the guy anymore. At the end when he gets humiliated, he comes back, plays and mouths FU to Terrence. Almost saying FU to it all, I'm finished playing whether good or bad. At the ending he did his solo to his tempo. Terrence wasn't really conducting him, only the part where he said slow it down and speed it up. He got the nod in the end and Andrew smiled. Maybe he continued, maybe not but he fought back.
He became a spiderman
This is a true story that happened to a friend of mine.
To achieve the greatness you must be obssessive and focused. Well true story he has 3 launched solo álbums and yes no one plays like him.
This is how I felt about this movie, too. Wow!! Great analysis.
WHIPLASH IS MY FAVORITE MOVIE!!! You got good taste.
Thank you! Whiplash is definitely one of my favorite movies of all time, right behind The Truman Show
Being the best shouldn't be the goal.. It's being you
FireCraft being the best you can be
Yea he said to his movie gf 😂 that he had problem making eye contact but then at the ending, HE MADE EYE CONTACT with Fletcher. So he is now is a new human being, brainwashed. Love this movie
I agree with everyone when they say JK Simmon was amazing in this role, and this whole movie was amazing, and the message is amazingly subtle and open to interpretations, but I DO preffer this theory. Fletcher drove another student to suicide, and the conversation at the restaurant prooves that he has no remorse, OR at the very least is so arrogant about his methods he doesn't realize what they lead to. Getting an aprooving nod from a guy like this is hardly a victory worth celebrating.
You know i never understood why the director and everyone predicts such a horrible or lonely life for Neiman after this point. I see this ending as Neiman taking back control and making Fletcher go on his tempo for once in his career. He did what no one else could and shows that hes now in control. He knows what he wants in life and takes it here. Its not in Neimans character to die of young age from addiction or depression hes tenacious. This is him making it. I think that whole addiction and overdoes ending at 30 is what would happen if Neiman DIDNT make it and walked off that stage for good.
I disagree. Sure he took control from Fletcher, but he still wanted his approval and was still way too obsessed.
This is sound like a horror movie .. I liked it better when I thought that it had a happy ending.
But this is a deep analysis ... thanks anyway.
I think the exact moment he loses himself is when fletcher gives leprechaun his spot, the scene where Andrew walks into his office going to yell at him but he was getting the call that the kid died
Others: Talking about Andrew, color of his clothings, Fletcher, what they think it is etc.
Me (as a drummer and percussionist): *getting very disoriented by the drumming because the movie's audio and visual doesn't match the sounds of the acoustic drums played* but kudos for the actor to train very hard for this scene!
0:06 almost 10 years after the movies release, Whiplash certainly feels like a classic.
But we still don’t know: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FOLDER?!
My personal bet is that Fletcher took it. That sounds like something he would do
Really loving your videos after recently discovering your channel. Can tell you put hard work into these videos and hope you continue on!
Everyone dies alone, may as well accomplish something along the way.
Never really connected the dying at 30 drunk and alone talk to the outcome of Andrew's life before, thanks for pointing that out. Damn, bleaker ending then I thought. I also always interpreted the father staring as him through the curtain as being in awe of his son, the script showing him being sad was not that clear to me. I think maybe they intentionally chose a scene/shot it in a way to keep it somewhat open ended enough that viewers could draw their own conclusions. I like that art lets you do that, that often the true meaning is ultimately subjective and in the eyes of the viewer. Amazing film
I would love more of these!!!! WELL DONE!
Andrew finally gets contact at the end. Never got it with Dad. Look at the joy between them. "He has lost.." Dad has lost.
The colour green during Fletcher's scene represents envy, envy against Jo Jones. The colour yellow in Andrew's scene represent greed, his greed to become one of tge greatest.
Generally, I think your ideas on what 'what happens next' is very plausible but I also think the idea of using colors to define his progression is a bit misplaced. Yes, it's easy to say that you start out in the movie with whites to indicate innocence and then evolve into blacks to show the progression into madness (sorta speak), but I think you are reading more into it than is really there. As a few others mention, the use of black colors for the band is typical band attire. Usually, the conductor/leader has some opposite color to call them out as the "leader" but in the case of Fletcher, I think he preferred the black color because, in that context, he wants to be seen as an equal but also out front. To me, this reads "I'm one of you but also I'm leading you" based on his dialog across the movie. You see this illustrated when it's in the jazz club after being sacked from Schafer, he's in colors that support his individuality indicating that he's not a member of the group but a "drop-in" artist - he stands on his own. If you think back to the story of Jim Jones throwing a cymbal at Bird, he clearly sees himself as an equal to Jim Jones and based on his opinion of what his role is, to bring the next Bird to the world, his actions are justified - at any cost. He all but says that when in the jazz club scene. "I fucking tried....and that's more than most can say" As Andrew ultimately determines his direction in life, he realizes that even with all the horrible things that Fletcher says and does, I honestly think he comes to the conclusion that "this is the process to becoming great.." the Bird story justifies this to Andrew. Even with the Shawn Casey incident where you see Fletcher does have some humanity, it doesn't change Andrews mind'. The most important step in the movie is after Fletcher sets up Andrew for the ultimate musician humiliation of not getting the sheet music to the JVC show, Fletcher gives him the nudge that changes his life. Walk away humiliated and never play drums again, or prove to Fletcher that he's better and he knows he's better. His father tells him it's OK to fail because failing is also trying and trying is always better. But at that moment when he sees his father waiting in the wings, he knew he was faced with the final truth of the movie. Live life as my father has done, or live life as a world-class musician. At that moment is when his greatness is finally realized when he comes back with his chin held high and immediately changes the one element of the movie he never had. Control. This was the last thing Fletcher would think Andrew would do given the "...extra Avante guard from the rhythm section". As a musician myself, I had to chuckle at that comment. He changed the rules of the game - Andrew took control of the band and in doing so, put him in the position to show the world on his own terms that's he's a world-class musician. Fletcher has no choice but to follow completely flipping the balance of their relationship. You knew this immediately when Andrew kicks off Karavan. The look on Fletcher's face says it all "What the hell is this kid doing". He was genuinely confused. This is driven home when Andrew mouth's "Fuck You!" to Fletcher in the middle of the gig. That's some balls and he knew it. It was a nice touch to honor the Buddy Rich Impossible Drum Solo (it's on youtube - it's nuts)
To wrap up, in a sense, you could contend that there are two father figures in Andrews life. Fletcher who he knows can make him great, and his real father that allows him to fail and still be his son. For those that think the Fletcher character is a little overly done, I can say that's far more common than you know. And I could really relate to how Andrew followed this man because of the greatness he wanted to achieve. I had a music teacher that was really strict in high school but he also was very well known so you knew it was a special thing to be with them every day. As much as a cursed his name when he would come down hard and yes, I had a the end of a conducter's baton tossed at me and time or three. When he left my senior year, I cried like a baby.
My music teacher was strict af too. So I think you are right. It's more common than it seems
Really digging your videos, keep up the great work man! Also it would be awesome if you did a video on the cancelled Spider-Man 4.
Wow! He actually did.
Great, great, great analysis. I had a film teacher who was exactly like that, cursing his students, unhappy with anything short of perfection. I developed major anxiety and depression on my first semester and was out. Looking back on it now-more than five years later-the memories still manage to cause significant stress in me.
Damn, this is like some Star Wars story about a Jedi that became a Sith. Fletcher reminds me of Palpatine a bit.
Astragen Astro and Andrew is Anakin. It’s very similar he loses his loved ones (dad and girlfriend) and just wants to to be the best drummer and is so narrow minded about everything and everyone else
I didn’t feel satisfied by the ending. I was happy Andrew finally got to show off his skill, achieve his dream, and show up his abuser after he tried to humiliate and blackball him. But for some reason I felt the ending bittersweet and something was off. And I think you just put into words why I felt that way.
The poor guy was obsessed with becoming a legend, he lost what it is to be a person. And the thing he once loved now causes him to bleed and blister. It sounds excellent, he performs excellently, but that excellence is the result of performing way far ahead of what a typical person is capable of to the point of bleeding and injury to his hands. A perfect encapsulation of the toxic, self-destructive side of passion and greatness
hm... honestly... this is such a hard theme to talk about... hmm if i died happily at my 50s with my wifie and kids and won several competitions, that would be alright, but drug overdose at 30 alone but greatest musician? I really love jazz right next to classical but honestly. Jazz is dead it is 21st century. No one would surpass Buddy Rich because he was already the greatest. JOJO MAYER came pretty close but even he is making electronic music now with his band nerve. But pure acoustic jazz is dead. The greatest musician in the 21st century... idk if it would be possible honestly when virtuosity is not a thing now. But, for example Chopin died 200 years ago and people including myself still play him because he is the greatest classical pianist to me. People still listen to Buddy Rich but can anyone play like him? Maybe Jojo Mayer or Benny Greb but they are really underground now.
After all the analyses of this film, I must say this probably the best and most concise.
I think neiman won't die in his 30s but rather become a teacher and be just as strict as fletcher
Caught this from videoessay and I really enjoyed it. keep up the good work
Oh shit am becoming this with my craft
If you really are then good. Keep it up.
Craft gives meaning to your life. Pursue your passion and then you will find a new life replacing the previous.
I haven't noticed that about the clothing detail. That's brilliant!
The all black clothing is bogus, that's just dress code for all concerts. But other than that, cool video
*Exactly*
every film analysis ever talks about clothing colour lolol, gotta get those connotations going
@Comet not really, its custom for jazz bands to wear plain black.
@@FelledOff but why can't it also be symbolism?
As a bass player in All County Orchestra, I wholeheartedly agree. I've worn all kinds of black, "professional" clothing, and it has no reflection on my inner self being. :P
You know I really love channels like these
That's your opinion.
I've been watching the ending for a few days now, what I take from this is the fact that Andrew won his ending objective. He won Fletcher's respect.
When they cut to his father, I see his look that says "I get it now." He sees his son at his best, he realizes how he didn't get it, he didn't understand it until now (this ending scene.) Every time I watch this particular scene, I watch his dad's look, it give me goosebumps, that smile Andrew gives at the end says it all.
Not really an opinion when both the script and the director say the same thing.
You're welcome to look at it how you prefer though.
What happened? The actors went home and waited for their paychecks, among other things.
So is this just Full Metal Jacket for musicians
"and then you will be in a world of shit".
This my rifle, this my drum
The title in 2:26. The road to greatness can take you to the edge. Makes sense.
I honestly see the character getting fame but ultimately seeing how he had to push everyone away then coming back to being himself. I don't think he would die in his 30's at all. he'd just continue to play gigs and stuff or maybe try to mentor someone
You'd like to think this happens, but history show's that with great musicians, this never happens.
Buddy Rich was a hardass and somewhat arrogant but he seemed like a good friend to have and lived to a pretty fine age. Buddy Rich is Andrew's hero, after all, so maybe that's how he ends up. He lives to play the drums so perhaps he lives a long time to play them as much as possible. You speak as though all great musicians were fucked up addicts who wound up choking on their own vomit but that's not true. Besides, it's always aimless college kids who go around partying all the time. Andrew has a single minded focus and while he may get into speed or something, I don't see him being consumed by drugs.
In the movie he's shown to be very standoffish and egotistical. There wasn't much character development in the movie at all (in the classical sense) to show that he had become a better person...on the contrary, it's likely he has just become more toxic based on his success. Ultimately he's a tragic character.
WHIPLASH 2
Almost 10 year mark it’s crazy how time flies
as a drummer who was beaten to become the best, I have to disagree a little bit. when you finally see who you are and what you will become you get lost in the tide but when you know who you are, well. You do what you were meant to become. yeah it can change you but you'll always be you.
13th Evergreen very much true, Lebron said this same exact thing. People don't understand that this comes with striving to be the greatest. You push away your family and friends sometimes to do what you love
Ya Heard nope, if anything it brought me closer to my friends, family, and love one. Because their will be times that you can't do it (or feel that way) and your love ones help you become that person. im sorry if you don't agree but you most have a sad story. not me, well not at the end
@@Meg_Lovegood If he’s happy with the outcome, is his story truly sad?
To be that good, as shown in the performance at the end, takes more than love and dedication to the instrument, it takes insanity, also no one person can truly be the best, music is way to subjective,top ten maybe, that said it was a great fuckin movie, definitely dark but uplifting as well, I’m not perfect, you’re not perfect, no one is perfect!, but this was a near perfect representation of the human condition. Also like and subscribe to this guy, he’s not there yet but he’s definitely on his way🤘🏻
Abusive teacher story hits home hard and made this movie too hard to watch, but in the end I loved it because of that.
There is always a price for greatness.
Yeah but I'm gonna die alone without any dramatic story like this behind it.
Great short video. So glad to see someone not waste their time with filler or constantly repeating themselves.
Y'all can be negative all you want, but we live in this world of technological marvels today because of Andrews. I sense a lack of gratitude and excuse making by those who don't see the benefits of people like Andrew, because they're happy in their own 40 hour workweek lives sliding by.
Yep, it will always be easier to consume than to create, and our society is built on the creations of many. Lack of gratitude indeed.
Excellent points, thank you for that analysis, it made me reflect on some ideas I had on the film. Yes, a great film
I do think that the ending was meant to be ambiguous but his father definitely saw his son in a worse light at that moment rather than a better one in the directors eyes.
Hold Up..... His dad looked like he lost him? I took it as him finally understanding his son, as he witnessed a legendary moment. Be like a father seeing his son hit a home run and cries because he has lost him..... I get it and it fits the morals better.
I took it as both at the same time tbh
Andrew was 110% devoted to becoming "one of the greatest" and clearly would do anything including shutting his friends and family out. But there is also a side of him that is not selfish and shows that he does care. For example, he called and apologized to the girl he liked, invited her to the concert and asked he to go out on another date. I like to think at the end, once he got all he wanted, he would make time for his loved ones and still pursued his career as one of the greatest drummers to ever live.
I think he invited his her because he wants somebody to share his achievement with. Still in service of his obsession
Well damn. This video really burst my "happy ending movie" bubble. Good job!
the background music of the vid is great
its frum the moovy
I love your videos! Fingers crossed in hopes you get way more popular!
Andrew's become broken after the end of the film, becoming one of the greats and it is definitely proven in the solo. That goes a long way, but of course, it makes one's mind so fragile it cannot always keep up. I don't know if I should respect Terrence Fletcher or not. I just know that he didn't expect his own "creation of Charlie Parker" to finally come to light. And now... Andrew has become a great musician... with the cost of his central humanity... :/ Sad, but I think that's the hard tradeoff. Can't argue after what happened.
Though I know for a fact Nicole would find out later on. Maybe if she would talk to him again, she would find Andrew already bleeding too much for striving to be so much more? Dunno. I'm looking and looking for answers, people! ^_^
@CutShort damn you where on point with your observations. Touché and bravo.
Wtf. This movie ending review is mindblown. I thought all this years that the ending seems good for Andrew.
Even though this video was 4 minutes long, it got straight to the point and perfectly summed up everything. 10/10
Or he could have gone on to live a fulfilling life having realized one of his goals. As opposed to having walked away and continued living a life of mediocrity? But of course where you go from here... is up to you.
Wow! thanks for the explanation, this movie is much deeper than i thought
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the whole clothing bit and the pitcher of water is you looking a bit too deep into it. After all, you can get the gist of what is happening to Andrew without the clothing and the pitcher of water. I think the biggest hint in the movie was the fact that the incredible trumpet player that Fletcher taught, committed suicide even though he had reached such a high level of success. It foreshadows the path that Andrew is going to take and the dark nature of the obsession he has.