this video got bigger than i expected, it was intended for the japanese immersion learning community but i guess it started reaching outside of that so i will answer one question that i keep getting q: what the hell are you talking about a: short answer, i am talking about learning japanese by engaging in native content. long answer, go to the moe way to learn more
Could you do a video step by step instruction on how you sentence mine like how you set up your anki card what site you use to record sound ect and how to actually do aswell as pics too. I tried that migaku but it's good loads of problems and limitations and they don't really help you as they promise they will I think if you do that video it will be a popular video and help alot of people like my self who are not good using anki and not very good on computers
@@eduuklee9453 I think u are wrong anti woke leaders are the one who will make English only language in existence, because that's how English was introduced in many countries because of colonization.
I used to do immersion when I was learning English. I'm a native Japanese speaker. One thing that I did was to get rid of everything Japanese from my daily life including internet. This really helped me because seeing anything Japanese would break the immersion and my brain would lose focus and I start to procrastinate from that point on. I also coded a browser extension to get rid of all Japanese letters from websites. This was necessary because even though I set English as default language in all my services like Google and RUclips, they often didn't respect it and kept showing results in Japanese.
I usually create different accounts for different languages. This ends up being a mess due to how many accounts I juggle, but really worth it (for me) because it lets different algorithms deal with different languages, so when I'm consuming one, that's the only that I'll see unless I, very consciouslly, change accounts
@Mellpupu♡ I think it's because Japanese is a relatively large language that mostly consist of monolingual speakers. Keeping Japanese as a default and having it stick is desirable in most cases since it ensures usability for all users. Also, big companies don't like exposing all of the nitty-gritty of their service, because *most* users prefer clean interface.
The biggest thing to get over is the fear of not understanding. If you can enjoy things at 30%, 10%, 2% comprehension, then you can keep going and you'll do better and better in the future. Waiting to get to 100% comprehension before you start doing the things you're interested in is a surefire way to give up early
Tip for others struggling to keep motivation: If you’re losing motivation despite not working much, maybe try working _more,_ not less. I’m not very patient, so I lose motivation when I feel like I’m not making progress quickly. After an hour of immersion per day for a few weeks, I got bored… so I cleared my schedule for a week, and did five hours of immersion per day. I felt like I was suddenly making tons of progress each day, and it reignited my motivation! I’m weird, so it probably won’t work for you, but it’s worth a shot.
Yeah, it seems counterintuitive, but it worked for me in any areas. For example, I had some issues getting into reading regularly (I mean fiction, for entertainment). People suggested starting slow, with 15-30 minutes a day, but that's barely enough for me to calm down and get into focus mode, and I couldn't get truly invested in the book, because I was getting only small bits of information every day. I found that reading for at least an hour was the solution. Oftentimes, I go for 3-4 hours and finish (shorter) books in one sitting, which makes sense for me when I think about it: no one would advise you to watch a 3 hour long movie over the course of a week or even few weeks, you'd lose track of the action, you'd need to stop watching at awkward moments and you wouldn't get invested in the story. On the subject of counterintuitive advice, people promote speed reading so much, but I'm a really fast reader by default (I read a lot, just not fiction) and my default reading mode is fishing for information (it probably has to do with the type of information you get online), kinda like these speed reading courses promote, but in the case of reading fiction for enjoyment, there's no need to rush and you'll enjoy yourself much more by consciously slowing down. Rereading is also a big thing for me.
Hey I’m not sure if you’ll see this, but can I ask what kind of immersion you were doing? Were you looking up words you didn’t know or just simply basking in the language, whether you comprehend or not.
Maybe that's Stockholm. XD But the more possible thing maybe that by imvesting more time, you improve faster and you know you improve. And the more you improve, the more eager you are to learn that subject more.
I'm a semi-professional guitarist, and just getting to know this community is so interesting. Learning to preform an instrument at a high level takes almost the same approach and mindset, but with different tools. Immersion is just like picking out a song by ear, speaking is like playing with people. Music theory is grammar, the analogy is just too on point. Cool video!
I have almost the exact same background actually. I think that’s a pretty spot on observation. That totally reminds me of when I first started playing/performing in front of people, in middle school, and the group at church I played with during that time. They Tolerated a lot of bad playing from me lol. But I kept doing it until I started hearing the things I was doing, wanted them to be better, and slowly things got better. I don’t know if the analogy breaks down at this point, but a big, turning point was recording myself play, and hearing my own playing. Be interesting to think about if that analogy extends there too. Good luck to all of us.
@@Aaron-zh4kj No I think it does! Making speaking mistakes feels similar to playing in the wrong key or out of time. After 14 years of guitar, the way your hear music is different, I analyze and understand a song quickly and can reproduce on my instrument intuitively. If we keep at it, we can make progress in the language. I already pick up on words and things that I wouldnt have before!
@ferrisclark3324 As I was watching this video, I was also thinking about how these approaches can also be applied to learning an instrument (which in my case, is also guitar). Keep rocking on, dude!
I agree with not "making up" work if you end up missing out on a day of any habit you want to build up. For one thing, you can't make up for a day of lost work. When you attempt to make up for a lost day, you're essentially telling yourself that it's not OK to miss out on a day. This encourages the idea that if you slip up, it's game over. In reality, however, if you slip up one day, you can choose to get back on track the next day.
Like you, I don't have a strict schedule, I just have a To-Do list with priorites. So I don't stress about "oh I was supposed to do this at 6:00 AM and it's already 10:00 AM" I'm just like "okay, distraction time is over, what is next?..." And do my next task on the priority queue. And also, I don't need to make up for my past. If I immersed only 1 hour yesterday, I don't _need_ to do 3 hours today. Yesterday's race is over and the results are in whether you like it or not, so just focus on today's race do your required work and after _then_ you can start to think about doing extra work.
I've been doing the same thing! Anki is my priority, and right after that comes immersion, and despite that, I've logged more hours of immersion than of Anki so far, lol
based on my own experience learning Japanese, I think playing games works much better than just watching and reading stuff, mainly because they're more interactive than anime and manga. I highly recommend it to people who feel the other methods are a drag
@@SebasLink9982 any game by level 5 studios since they always use furigana I'd also recommend tokimeki memorial for anyone who's somewhere between N4 and N3. Very useful to learn conversational Japanese
usually learning something while also having fun is very effective. its an incredible life-hack if you actively study a language when watching your favorite series just pay more atention to the language :3
Just the fact that videos and attitudes like these and what surrounds it exist, shows what a mountain it is to climb. Impatience is one ball and chain I'm carrying. Dread looking up at the mountain ahead is another, especially when it's only one out of a handful. Part of me can't help but repeatedly reconsider which mountains to keep trying to climb, and which skills to shelve. Japanese and art have both been put on, and taken back off, the shelf before. So... a third ball and chain, constantly looking for easier ways, instead of just grinding it out. It's helpful to a degree, but at some point, looking for a more optimal path is less optimal, because you're recalculating your route and saving less time than what it would take to just do it as is.
I totally understand where you're coming from, but immersion can also just be incorporated into your daily life and doesn't have to become a ball and chain to drag you down or a mountain to climb! Replacing a few YT videos you watch in english every day with japanese ones is going to be enough immersion to at least make SOME progress, and along with other things, you can really come a long way without having to worry really about setting aside "special japanese time" (though using an SRS like Anki every day and setting aside time for that does do wonders). You got this! 頑張ろう！
@@shadowwvfx That makes sense, and is close to what the goal has been. I think it's important for it to be "comprehensible input". Not 100%, but at least enough to learn by context. Progress is very, very slow at 0% and faster as you go up to a certain point. (It might go back down if it's too close to 100% and there's not much new to learn, but that's still reinforcement.) I think I'm close to where immersion will be more useful and less frustrating. I'm thinking a bit more study and starting with easier things, aiming for maybe 20-30% understanding at least (just a made up number). There's some other tricks in the bag from the whole "constantly looking for easier ways" thing, it's mostly just the emotional dauntingness of it. To reply to myself, "one step at a time", I guess. It can be more passive after that initial hump.
@@Aeroxima Definitely helps if input is comprehensible! Apparently 70% comprehension is "optimal", though I don't think optimal is the same for everyone. I think, like the video says, it's much more important to watch/read what you enjoy than it is to make sure its in the perfect range of comprehensible input. After about a year and four months of studying, I can finally understand almost everything I enjoy, and I can definitely tell that it is SO much more enjoyable to immerse now, and I think that getting over that initial hump you're talking about is the key to enjoying your language learning. Sadly I haven't found many shortcuts other than maintaining discipline and doing my Anki everyday and trying to immerse as much as I can without getting burnt out lol You got this! I promise once you're able to just kind of watch/read things for what they are, rather than trying to puzzle them together, it gets so much easier and smoother.
This is the first video I've seen covering this topic, I've always seen "immersion" included in videos about how to self study languages and it's nice to know that others struggle with this too. Thanks for the vid
you probably won't even see this message, but i wanted to stop by and thank you from the bottom of my heart. i got my first immersing setup up and running thanks to your tips. i hope your channel is going to be big. good luck on your journey bro
I was just thinking about this topic, and this video came at a perfect time! I've been pretty loosely studying japanese for the last 7 months, and while I really enjoy doing vocab and learning grammar, immersing feels overwhelmingly frustrating. I actually stopped studying entirely for a while cause I forced myself to do it to a point where I just didn't want to interact with the language at all. Watching this has motivated me to approach it again using some of the tips you provided
I think the thing about it is that it will feel that way and it's normal to of course, especially with something like Japanese. I think early on the thing to remember is most things will sound like jibberish until you know plenty of vocab and grammar...so really starting out just needs to be tons and tons of cramming vocab with an SRS, now that's only like the first part of learning but it's a huge part as you're basically building the foundation of the language itself, once those words are stuck in your memory immersion should become a lot easier....I've heard things like it takes rougly 3-6 months for N5 level Japanese and vocabulary so I'm guessing you're about at that level which if I remember correctly is about 80 kanji for a 33% literacy rate. So effectively you'd be able to understand about 1/3 of Japanese overall, mind you it probably feels like a lot less because remember Japanese kanji change sounds based on the context the word is used in, so something you may already even kinda know you wouldn't necessarily "hear" it right because it's usage would sound different to you even if you know the idea, you don't know that word yet (like knowing kanji used as a noun, when used as a verb may have an entirely different sound). Also compound that with just the overall feeling of dealing with lots of words and conjugations and stuff that are common in Japanese and it will really feel overwhelming. With Japanese I'm starting to hear pieces and words and things I recognize here and there but that's after well over a year of studying on and off arguably and really only now after getting more serious with throwing myself at kanji memorization and SRS do I feel like I'm getting anywhere at all in the language and I'm not even close to where I'd say I'm ready yet for immersion. I think immersion is absolutely important and nothing that mikumino is saying is wrong I think it really just makes more sense to really worry about after you have more basic solid vocab understanding otherwise you'll just be lost in the sauce in Japanese.
I personally think immersion becomes a more powerful (and enjoyable) method once you already have the basics via other means of study. Personally I would not force yourself to do a means of study you don't enjoy. Also, I'll mention this: Language exchange conversations are half input (listening to what the other person is saying/writing to you). I mention that because, for me personally, the most motivating and fun way to study is language exchange conversations. But now that I've gotten hundreds of hours of "input" through conversations, now watching TV shows in Japanese is finally starting to become more enjoyable too, because my comprehension has improved a lot from the language exchange, so now I can understand more of the shows, too. So, your study methods can evolve over time.
I was in your shoes before, trust me on this, go do immersion for a month. After this month you WILL start actually understanding grammar in your subconscious mind, it will be magical. I happened to endure an entire month of nonsense, but magically I started understanding japanese the more I immerse. People who claim that you should go "do fundamentals" first are lying, it won't help, it will only frustrate you more, and the amount of progress you will get are miniscule at best.
I've been at a low point a little while ago and am still trying to climb over it but what you said about finding something you enjoy watching even with low comprehension is something I've realized too during this phase I'm experiencing. Since my low point where I felt like I'm getting no where and that I should start doing something like sentence mining and forcing myself to immerse more even when I don't like it I've gone ahead and watched nichijou which was absolutely a blast, rewatched tokyo ghoul because I've been listening to the unravel cover by ado for a while now and I hadn't rewatched that anime in 6 years, and then I started watching asobi asobase and proceeded to finishi 7 episodes in one afternoon which was a big motivational boost. Now I know the issue is I'm not looking hard enough for content to enjoy, and that my comprehension can be fairly good at times. RUclips is still a big wall to climb, searching for content I like is kind of hard but I have found some here and there. Now for my experience with sentence mining I did set it up and mined like 5 sentences from nichijou but have stopped after that because I don't like doing it, the way I have it set up is I do everything manually and it's such a chore. I also question it's viability because I look at myself now and see that I've been able to achieve an exceptionally good level in English by just consuming lots and lots of youtube over the span of a decade. Thinking about it I started doing it exactly 10 years ago during the summer of 2014 when I got my first smartphone, so maybe I should celebrate. I remember I didn't understand that much but I was just enjoying watching videos on transformers and minecraft modded let's plays that were simply something no one was doing at the time in my language. And because I had a new account all the videos I was getting recommended were in English so it all spiraled out from there. I think it took around 3 to 4 years to get to that 99% comprehension some are talking about where you're not fluent yet but you understand everything and can deduce from context all the words you don't understand. Like past that point into 99.9% just means you've covered a wide variety of domains and have over 20k words under your belt. Good video. I'll try to look at that asbplayer and see if it can work with the streaming service I use for anime.
one thing that caught my attention was the 1hour for a 20min episode part. the first time (and most of the time) i just watch things. because as you said, i want to enjoy what i'm watching. i save the sentence mining for the times when i rewatch something. that way i get to enjoy it the first time, then look at different things with a microscope on subsequent watches. hope this helps. がんばれ
Same here! I don't want to sentence mine evrything so i only do my 2k/6k core pack and immerse. And i love it, maybe it will take way more time but i don't really care
I lived in Japan for about 3 years for work and picked up japanese while living there, now I'm back in my country and I don't want to lose my level of fluency, but picking up the language by living there and deliberately immersing are completely different things. I was honestly getting frustrated, but your video showed up in my feed and now I feel inspired to actually setup a structured way of studying and immersing, thank you! 🙏🏻
Man, I love this video. As someone struggling to learn many skills, hearing a perspective like this really puts me at ease. There's a lot of pressure to constantly perform at an optimal level, in an optimal way, etc. I'm happy you found something that works for you! And I'll definitely take some of these tips into account. Plus, your channel is criminally underrated. Here's a sub.
Just wanted to say that as someone who likes to play around with video editing, the transitions and general flow of this video was really good, and its kinda given me motivation to continue trying to improve my own editing (not that i do anything with it though). Besides that, really great video! I'm also trying to study japanese but rarely actively immerse myself in japanese content, i usually just try and listen out for whatever i can understand in a japanese video or read through manga or light novel raws and skip past words i dont know, so this video was kind of a motivator for me. Sadly, i dont really have much time to put into learning japanese since school is kind of overloading me with responsibilities and work, so i can only really do the bare minimum (vocabulary)
This video and the last one were both really motivating. For me (four months in) it's always felt easier to do the concrete "studying" like Anki, Genki, grammar study, maybe a module of Duolingo and whatever but immersion/acquisition itself has always felt like this brick wall I just haven't had the motivation to get started with. Gonna try to change that today! Please keep making these videos!
I've been learning for 2+ years now. I did Anki and a lot of direct study for a year. But nowadays I don't do much other than immerse, and It works pretty well. It was hard at the start, and I only watched easy SoL, but slowly I'm able to pick up and enjoy even more complex shows. Feels good, improving even when I feel I shouldn't. Only stagnant thing is my reading, since I stopped using Anki my progress has been slow and even regressing in some Kanji, but I'll focus reading whenever I find it enjoyable.
Great video, I always enjoying hearing about other people's experience learning languages. One thing that helped me to keep up my immersion in Japanese was to get a Japanese mobile game, like Project Sekai or Blue Archive, on my phone. Even if I didn't feel like immersing just casually playing the game would require me to read Japanese text which was good. Sometimes these games also have voice acting in their story segments which is good for practicing reading and listening.
Re-watching has been the most helpful to me The editing on this channel is amazing, and the tips are great! Perhaps the most underrated Japanese learning creator out there! Thanks!
I was sent here by a friend of mine just starting out. Great video! I'm on my 2nd year of learning, approaching 1500 hours logged. I just wanted to say keep going guys because this stuff really works! (I can watch most J dramas with subs, most anime without, and read most LN's relatively comfortably now) and that's with 3 hours per day. If this idiot can do it so can you guys!
I think a good way to think is to be positive. Instead of thinking, wow, I can't understand this word, think of it like: Wow, a new opportunity to learn something. This may seem silly, but mindset really is everything. Great video BTW, thank you.
What a great video! Will definitely be bingeing the rest of your content today. It's interesting seeing how different your mindset is from mine. Your method seems to be a lot healthier than my daily 5 hour immersion extravaganza, where I wake up at 4 am just so I can keep up with everything. Wish you the best of luck on your journey!
I do basically all of what you do, except with more traditional methods (pen and paper, etc.) It is a method or spectrum of methods I wish more beginner learners knew about, because it makes things more enjoyable. Although with the recent vtuber stuff happening for the past few years, I'm seeing more and more people learn in fun ways. Thank you for sharing your experience! ^_^ [ex-Refolder, but still immersing]
I've been struggling on my Japanese study, mostly because of I'm procracinating. Recently I've found motivation after getting new friend to learn Japanese with and also actively seeking JP player on games. It's really fun, but I think I'll lose the motivations later like I did before, so your tips and experinces are really useful for me to not stop studying Japanese. Thanks!
I have zero interest in learning Japanese but your mindset is helping me to think about how I’ll approach studying for license exams now that I’ve graduated school and don’t have my courses to keep me on my toes. Thank you.
For some reason it is inspiring to see other people's approach and philosophy and how they face the great struggle. That's what we should call it by the way, because our efforts at mastering this language are nothing short of heroic.
RUclips algorithm is scary wtf, only half way through the video did I recognize that you were that same person in a certain University's Japanese language discord. As someone who's desperately stumbling with acquiring the language in the laziest way possible I found this video to be really well put together and encouraging to someone beats themselves up over not "learning" fast enough , Thank you
It took me many years to realize that Illiden didnt say - "Im blind not death." - but instead said - "Im blind not deaf." - for they are bough pronounced the exact same way.
my recommendation is to start immersing from the very start. Once you've got hiragana and katakana out of the way. Do this whilst going through cure dolly's entire japanese grammer series. Although she doesn't cover all grammar you will need. She covers enough for you to be able to watch anime, dramas etc comfortably. By immersing everyday whilst doing these online grammar lessons, I only secured the grammar I had already learned. Even if you don't understand at first, its by far the best method to employ for memorisation. However, past this phase I'm not sure what to recommend for new grammar, however some I've found I've just naturally absorbed due to knowledge of the language. Good Luck!
Interesting and fun video. I can confirm the first point works due to my experience learning languages. I recommend doing this with other people to keep each other in check, take it as a fun challenge and learn more together. Cool video. ^_^
i know this feelings to well, and i think that your advice are pretty good.Personnly i do sometimes this 6-8h a day learning periods, it s true that i generally finish in burn out( generally one or two day being incapable to see any kanji without going to sleep immediatly and 2 more days coming back to it slowly at 40-60 minutes a day) but everytime i m amazed by the progress i accomplish after a week doing it.
Something that I find really helpful to do is when starting a new anime I usually want to understand everything but don't want to rewatch it twice (once in English and once in Japanese). So what I've found helpful is to read the manga before hand (usually in Japanese) to get all the context and understanding and then start the anime for immersion. The backing of the context from the manga helps to alleviate any misunderstandings in the anime.
+1 to the enjoying part, I also went from 0 to fluent mainly by just watching and reading stuff that I like and writing stuff down or even passively learning in the beginning. The key to mastering anything is consistency really. And in order to have consistency you need to have fun. If you enjoy a show that has not so "useful" words that are still interesting to you, it's better to use that show for immersion compared to a more "useful" one that is easier. Also no matter what you watch, you are subconsciously sucking in the "way to think" in Japanese, that I really struggled with in the beginning (the wa and ga, and how the sentences work etc). That is such a substantial part of a language as different as Japanese, and I consider being fluent in the thinking already half of the battle. After that the part that gives you constant headache is over and Japanese becomes just like a language that resembles English more (well, maybe not completely, but it's a big win already)
I'm a year into my Japanese journey and this video really spoke to me. Some days, I feel like I'm really getting it. My reading it going great, I'm understanding the grammar, grinding on WaniKani, picking up new words through Anki etc. But then I'll pick up a manga or a Japanese copy of a magazine, or try to do some listening practice, and I feel completely lost. Even though I love studying, it can get frustrating and exasperating. I just want to do well!
I find it's best to not worry about it too much. Just get a video you like and listen to the rhythm of the language. You can pick up the general gist of what's going on by watching the action even if you don't understand why they're doing it.
What I have found to be a particularly enjoyable and easy way to immerse is gaming streams and videos for people who enjoy that kind of content. You don't feel the pressure to follow a narrative since gameplay is universal and you get helpful context for what's being said if the creator is not rambling about random stuff. Just make sure to find talkative creators. If you feel frustrated try to find content like this where not understanding is not a big detriment to the entertainment.
I just watch 1 episode and a bit (subbed) on my lunch break every work day and do duolingo every day. I'd say I'm upper beginner now 😎 Just keep going and do what you can Maybe one day I'll gather the motivation to finish RTK 🥴
Also, watching nagatoro season two with subs off and missing "Gigga chad" sub made me feel like I doged a bullet. That feeling has kept me on the grind ever since.
Glad I found this suggestion, been feeling burnt- out recently and can only just about motivate myself to do my anki each day. This normally happens after finishing a lesson in Genki but now I guess finding more enjoyable methods to break it up would be super beneficial
Hi, thanks for sharing your experience with the immersion method! I encountered your video maybe last month but I just got back to studying foreign languages by myself then (for the nth time, and i even added japanese on top of the korean that I'm already studying 😅). I didn't really get your video at the time but I got into a stump while learning and got overwhelmed. Then I read about the immersion method and came back to your video and read some partd of the moe method. Thank you because I find language learning more chill now, instead of actively inputting grammar and vocab ONLY. I'm immersing with Akatsuki no Yona and I found this jp youtuber who's playing undertale (they have no jp/eng subs tho 🤧). I think listening to ヨルしカ songs is still part of immersion for me and I love their songs. For Korean, I'm watching Yumi's Cells and I'm a Mamamoo fan so I listen to their songs and also watch the members' youtube channels or behind the scene videos. I just looked for sites the other day to read raw manga and manhwa but I think I'm going to add reading for immersion later on. When I immerse using movies, tv series or yt videos, I turn on the jp/kr subs with eng subs (or whatever is available) then just soak into the language. I'm at the point in my learning in which I can catch very few words or grammar points I've learned while immersing. I think I need to learn a few more grammar points before I'll read or even try to parse the subtitles 😆 I've also experienced some times when immersion is just exhausting me because, as much as I curate the content I consume with the things I love, I know at the back of my head that I'm *trying* to learn (trying to hear words I'm familiar with, mentally noting the common kanjis I've encountered, etc.) instead of *just* consuming. During these times, I stay away from jp/kr content and consume content in english or my native language 🤧 So yeah, I can't thank you enough. I'm glad I knew about this method because this is how I think I picked up English. Just watching/reading content and looking at a dictionary or the internet for things I didn't know. More power to you and other language learners, most esp the self-learning crew. 😄
I've been doing remembering the kanji anki deck every day for a while along with passive grammar videos on youtube. This has worked pretty well for me. I honestly dont do all that much "immersion". Its more like I just happen to immerse through music, furigana manga, and anime (even with english subs). I can basically understand all of a one piece episode when I watch which is pretty cool. Immersion was terribly boring before, when I was just starting, so I just kept on learning through anki. This wasn't easy and I had many setbacks but I'm really starting to see the progress. Immersion with japanese subtitles is super fun now. I suppose I just do well with step by step processes. What I'm trying to get at here is that blind immersion learning can be good for some and not for others. Experimenting with learning techniques and failing a few times is not all that bad. If its your first time learning a new language, like it is for me, you are going to have to discover the way you learn through trial and error.
I've struggled so much with motivation to the point where I went for months without making any meaningful progress in my language learning. I've abandoned everything except only my 230+ Duolingo streak which is the only thing keeping me together with my language routine. Ironically enough, when I reseted my Anki vocab deck, I was able to recognise words I've seen months ago right away and it hit me that this language learning journey is really a long term thing that needs real dedication and patience. I still struggle with motivation but I think your video gave me a few valuable insights on what to address, should I face my motivation issues again.
Immersing is listening and absorbing the language without the help of subtitles + dictionaries, e.g. students tend to go to Japan for immersion~ but as this video says you can use tools to help w vocabulary and stuff- as long as it isn’t translate word for word which your watching it, it’s immersion ! :)
@@kaedesakura9274 if youre learning/ immersing in japanese, then using jp subtitles is completely fine and actually very helpful, but using english/ any language youre fluent in subtitles wouldnt be helpful, since youre not immersing your brain in the target language, and its being translated for you. hope that helps-
I’ve been immersing for years. Just thinking I have nothing better to do forces me to continue no matter how painful it might be in a newer less comfortable language. I’m only fluent in Japanese (since 15 years ago ) and English. But started other languages a year or two ago so am back to the painful immersion stages 😂 It’s actually really hard to immerse is non-Japanese languages cuz I have to find good entertainment I wanna enjoy sometimes. At least with Japanese it’s always been natural since I’ve used it since I was 13 years old, and know hundreds or thousands of anime/games/songs and fun stuff ❤
I stared less than a month ago. I do Anki on a daily basis, but I do struggle with grammar a lot. I keep on immersing, but I've been only been able to passively immerse. Needing to actively listen and immerse can seem really tiring to me, but I always try to do my best with keeping up. I do get frustrated at times with not being able to understand 96% of an episode, but I gotta keep reminding myself that it's a long process to learn
Thank you for this, I am slowly piecing together everything that works for me and I’m getting to the point of wanting to immerse to learn Japanese and this sounds like it would be helpful
I clicked on this because I like the animes in the thumbnail but I didn't understand what "immersion" was meant to be in this context but I guess it's the thing we all did, where we learned English by watching RUclips
One of my favorite ways of immersion is listening to music in Japanese! I feel like it's easier to remember some words and phrases if they're set to a catchy beat, and singing is a good way to practice pronunciation. It's not the best way to pick up "natural" speech, but it's a good way to pick up more advanced vocabulary, grammar, and slang you don't hear often anywhere else. And it takes less time than watching anime.
There are numerous studies showing emersion isn't gonna make you magically able to master a language At this stage you have to study the dialogs deeply
I mostly do my immersion and mine words from doujinshi, CG-art, and sometimes VNs. It might not be ideal, but for me there's intrinsic motivation to studying and understanding them🧐
I recently watched 君に届け on Netflix (the live action drama) in complete japanese (with japanese subtitles) i understood some of it,but the other half i didnt understand,but i knew enough to know what was going on. The one thing i learned by doing this is i really really enjoy watching stuff in japanese only. 😄💕
From 1.5 years ago, i've been hiding in japanese novels, in this time i've read like 20 books, and it's becoming easier and easier, to the point where I feel ashamed if I watch an anime episode and I don't understand a lot like I do with books... The funny part is that if I turn on the japanese subtitles, everything turns so clear that is great... and scary. :S I suppose is time to face anime and force my brain to hear japanese. :)
i started my language journey leaning German. I have German friends and family, but I found it almost impossible to immerse. I can get by watching a film in German, but my comprehension is poor. Because of this, and as an excuse to watch copious amounts of anime, I started learning Japanese. As a Math major, I love the phoneticness and general rules. Immersion has never been easier and that's why I would really recommend anyone to learn a language based on media and immersion if you are doing it for fun.
Dude what's you mal BTW lovely Videos I see the inspiration from liva kivi and the added personal touch and I'm really into to it So you can count me on board
this video got bigger than i expected, it was intended for the japanese immersion learning community but i guess it started reaching outside of that so i will answer one question that i keep getting
q: what the hell are you talking about
a: short answer, i am talking about learning japanese by engaging in native content. long answer, go to the moe way to learn more
wadda hayl do peopel learn japanese for
@@kalmmonke5037 to have an alternative language when our woke leaders try to propsethe idea that english should be the only language in exsistence :0
Could you do a video step by step instruction on how you sentence mine like how you set up your anki card what site you use to record sound ect and how to actually do aswell as pics too. I tried that migaku but it's good loads of problems and limitations and they don't really help you as they promise they will I think if you do that video it will be a popular video and help alot of people like my self who are not good using anki and not very good on computers
@@eduuklee9453 I think u are wrong anti woke leaders are the one who will make English only language in existence, because that's how English was introduced in many countries because of colonization.
How can one enter the Japanese immersion learning community
I used to do immersion when I was learning English. I'm a native Japanese speaker.
One thing that I did was to get rid of everything Japanese from my daily life including internet. This really helped me because seeing anything Japanese would break the immersion and my brain would lose focus and I start to procrastinate from that point on. I also coded a browser extension to get rid of all Japanese letters from websites. This was necessary because even though I set English as default language in all my services like Google and RUclips, they often didn't respect it and kept showing results in Japanese.
I usually create different accounts for different languages. This ends up being a mess due to how many accounts I juggle, but really worth it (for me) because it lets different algorithms deal with different languages, so when I'm consuming one, that's the only that I'll see unless I, very consciouslly, change accounts
you can also use a vpn to set your device location to an English speaking country.. so you will almost never see any Japanese anywhere
すごいね
@Mellpupu♡ I think it's because Japanese is a relatively large language that mostly consist of monolingual speakers. Keeping Japanese as a default and having it stick is desirable in most cases since it ensures usability for all users. Also, big companies don't like exposing all of the nitty-gritty of their service, because *most* users prefer clean interface.
How long did it take you I know everyone diffrent but just curious the way your message is written sounds good
The biggest thing to get over is the fear of not understanding. If you can enjoy things at 30%, 10%, 2% comprehension, then you can keep going and you'll do better and better in the future. Waiting to get to 100% comprehension before you start doing the things you're interested in is a surefire way to give up early
Tip for others struggling to keep motivation: If you’re losing motivation despite not working much, maybe try working _more,_ not less. I’m not very patient, so I lose motivation when I feel like I’m not making progress quickly. After an hour of immersion per day for a few weeks, I got bored… so I cleared my schedule for a week, and did five hours of immersion per day. I felt like I was suddenly making tons of progress each day, and it reignited my motivation! I’m weird, so it probably won’t work for you, but it’s worth a shot.
Yeah, it seems counterintuitive, but it worked for me in any areas. For example, I had some issues getting into reading regularly (I mean fiction, for entertainment). People suggested starting slow, with 15-30 minutes a day, but that's barely enough for me to calm down and get into focus mode, and I couldn't get truly invested in the book, because I was getting only small bits of information every day. I found that reading for at least an hour was the solution. Oftentimes, I go for 3-4 hours and finish (shorter) books in one sitting, which makes sense for me when I think about it: no one would advise you to watch a 3 hour long movie over the course of a week or even few weeks, you'd lose track of the action, you'd need to stop watching at awkward moments and you wouldn't get invested in the story. On the subject of counterintuitive advice, people promote speed reading so much, but I'm a really fast reader by default (I read a lot, just not fiction) and my default reading mode is fishing for information (it probably has to do with the type of information you get online), kinda like these speed reading courses promote, but in the case of reading fiction for enjoyment, there's no need to rush and you'll enjoy yourself much more by consciously slowing down. Rereading is also a big thing for me.
Hey I’m not sure if you’ll see this, but can I ask what kind of immersion you were doing? Were you looking up words you didn’t know or just simply basking in the language, whether you comprehend or not.
Maybe that's Stockholm. XD
But the more possible thing maybe that by imvesting more time, you improve faster and you know you improve. And the more you improve, the more eager you are to learn that subject more.
What a tip bro
This might work for me(on smth else tho)
I'm a semi-professional guitarist, and just getting to know this community is so interesting. Learning to preform an instrument at a high level takes almost the same approach and mindset, but with different tools. Immersion is just like picking out a song by ear, speaking is like playing with people. Music theory is grammar, the analogy is just too on point. Cool video!
I have almost the exact same background actually. I think that’s a pretty spot on observation. That totally reminds me of when I first started playing/performing in front of people, in middle school, and the group at church I played with during that time. They Tolerated a lot of bad playing from me lol. But I kept doing it until I started hearing the things I was doing, wanted them to be better, and slowly things got better. I don’t know if the analogy breaks down at this point, but a big, turning point was recording myself play, and hearing my own playing. Be interesting to think about if that analogy extends there too. Good luck to all of us.
@@Aaron-zh4kj No I think it does! Making speaking mistakes feels similar to playing in the wrong key or out of time. After 14 years of guitar, the way your hear music is different, I analyze and understand a song quickly and can reproduce on my instrument intuitively. If we keep at it, we can make progress in the language. I already pick up on words and things that I wouldnt have before!
You just came here to say your are a musician lmfao those things are totally unrelated
@ferrisclark3324 As I was watching this video, I was also thinking about how these approaches can also be applied to learning an instrument (which in my case, is also guitar). Keep rocking on, dude!
@@jayp9158 "Those things are totally unrelated"
*Replying to a comment talking about the similarities between 'those things'*
I agree with not "making up" work if you end up missing out on a day of any habit you want to build up. For one thing, you can't make up for a day of lost work. When you attempt to make up for a lost day, you're essentially telling yourself that it's not OK to miss out on a day. This encourages the idea that if you slip up, it's game over. In reality, however, if you slip up one day, you can choose to get back on track the next day.
Like you, I don't have a strict schedule, I just have a To-Do list with priorites.
So I don't stress about "oh I was supposed to do this at 6:00 AM and it's already 10:00 AM" I'm just like "okay, distraction time is over, what is next?..." And do my next task on the priority queue.
And also, I don't need to make up for my past. If I immersed only 1 hour yesterday, I don't _need_ to do 3 hours today. Yesterday's race is over and the results are in whether you like it or not, so just focus on today's race do your required work and after _then_ you can start to think about doing extra work.
great comment
Ye same, if I make it too specific and strict I do almost nothing on the pong run, lol
I've been doing the same thing! Anki is my priority, and right after that comes immersion, and despite that, I've logged more hours of immersion than of Anki so far, lol
based on my own experience learning Japanese, I think playing games works much better than just watching and reading stuff, mainly because they're more interactive than anime and manga. I highly recommend it to people who feel the other methods are a drag
Do have some games in japanese for beginners to recommend??
I know im late srry xd
@@SebasLink9982 any game by level 5 studios since they always use furigana
I'd also recommend tokimeki memorial for anyone who's somewhere between N4 and N3. Very useful to learn conversational Japanese
@@SebasLink9982 i heard the yakuza games are pretty cool
@@flxm3zzz yeah but aren't they gonna be speaking the yakuza japanese?
@@eri_sama idk but i watch a youtuber that is in the process of learning japanese and he plays those games and recommended them so idk
I’ve been wishing for more channels that focus on effective studying (especially languages) so I’m grateful this video was recommended to me!
usually learning something while also having fun is very effective. its an incredible life-hack if you actively study a language when watching your favorite series just pay more atention to the language :3
Just the fact that videos and attitudes like these and what surrounds it exist, shows what a mountain it is to climb. Impatience is one ball and chain I'm carrying. Dread looking up at the mountain ahead is another, especially when it's only one out of a handful. Part of me can't help but repeatedly reconsider which mountains to keep trying to climb, and which skills to shelve. Japanese and art have both been put on, and taken back off, the shelf before. So... a third ball and chain, constantly looking for easier ways, instead of just grinding it out. It's helpful to a degree, but at some point, looking for a more optimal path is less optimal, because you're recalculating your route and saving less time than what it would take to just do it as is.
I think you should still try to learn Japanese, it seems like fun! And its useful if you ever wanna visit Japan too :)
I totally understand where you're coming from, but immersion can also just be incorporated into your daily life and doesn't have to become a ball and chain to drag you down or a mountain to climb! Replacing a few YT videos you watch in english every day with japanese ones is going to be enough immersion to at least make SOME progress, and along with other things, you can really come a long way without having to worry really about setting aside "special japanese time" (though using an SRS like Anki every day and setting aside time for that does do wonders).
You got this! 頑張ろう！
@@shadowwvfx That's a lovely reply :)
@@shadowwvfx That makes sense, and is close to what the goal has been. I think it's important for it to be "comprehensible input". Not 100%, but at least enough to learn by context. Progress is very, very slow at 0% and faster as you go up to a certain point. (It might go back down if it's too close to 100% and there's not much new to learn, but that's still reinforcement.)
I think I'm close to where immersion will be more useful and less frustrating. I'm thinking a bit more study and starting with easier things, aiming for maybe 20-30% understanding at least (just a made up number). There's some other tricks in the bag from the whole "constantly looking for easier ways" thing, it's mostly just the emotional dauntingness of it.
To reply to myself, "one step at a time", I guess. It can be more passive after that initial hump.
@@Aeroxima Definitely helps if input is comprehensible! Apparently 70% comprehension is "optimal", though I don't think optimal is the same for everyone. I think, like the video says, it's much more important to watch/read what you enjoy than it is to make sure its in the perfect range of comprehensible input.
After about a year and four months of studying, I can finally understand almost everything I enjoy, and I can definitely tell that it is SO much more enjoyable to immerse now, and I think that getting over that initial hump you're talking about is the key to enjoying your language learning. Sadly I haven't found many shortcuts other than maintaining discipline and doing my Anki everyday and trying to immerse as much as I can without getting burnt out lol
You got this! I promise once you're able to just kind of watch/read things for what they are, rather than trying to puzzle them together, it gets so much easier and smoother.
This is the first video I've seen covering this topic, I've always seen "immersion" included in videos about how to self study languages and it's nice to know that others struggle with this too. Thanks for the vid
Another banger from the one and only Mikumino
You flatter me Colby season
you probably won't even see this message, but i wanted to stop by and thank you from the bottom of my heart. i got my first immersing setup up and running thanks to your tips. i hope your channel is going to be big. good luck on your journey bro
Took me 7 minutes into the video to realise English is actually my second language and my RUclips routine is actually "immersing"
I was just thinking about this topic, and this video came at a perfect time! I've been pretty loosely studying japanese for the last 7 months, and while I really enjoy doing vocab and learning grammar, immersing feels overwhelmingly frustrating. I actually stopped studying entirely for a while cause I forced myself to do it to a point where I just didn't want to interact with the language at all. Watching this has motivated me to approach it again using some of the tips you provided
I think the thing about it is that it will feel that way and it's normal to of course, especially with something like Japanese. I think early on the thing to remember is most things will sound like jibberish until you know plenty of vocab and grammar...so really starting out just needs to be tons and tons of cramming vocab with an SRS, now that's only like the first part of learning but it's a huge part as you're basically building the foundation of the language itself, once those words are stuck in your memory immersion should become a lot easier....I've heard things like it takes rougly 3-6 months for N5 level Japanese and vocabulary so I'm guessing you're about at that level which if I remember correctly is about 80 kanji for a 33% literacy rate. So effectively you'd be able to understand about 1/3 of Japanese overall, mind you it probably feels like a lot less because remember Japanese kanji change sounds based on the context the word is used in, so something you may already even kinda know you wouldn't necessarily "hear" it right because it's usage would sound different to you even if you know the idea, you don't know that word yet (like knowing kanji used as a noun, when used as a verb may have an entirely different sound). Also compound that with just the overall feeling of dealing with lots of words and conjugations and stuff that are common in Japanese and it will really feel overwhelming. With Japanese I'm starting to hear pieces and words and things I recognize here and there but that's after well over a year of studying on and off arguably and really only now after getting more serious with throwing myself at kanji memorization and SRS do I feel like I'm getting anywhere at all in the language and I'm not even close to where I'd say I'm ready yet for immersion. I think immersion is absolutely important and nothing that mikumino is saying is wrong I think it really just makes more sense to really worry about after you have more basic solid vocab understanding otherwise you'll just be lost in the sauce in Japanese.
I personally think immersion becomes a more powerful (and enjoyable) method once you already have the basics via other means of study. Personally I would not force yourself to do a means of study you don't enjoy.
Also, I'll mention this: Language exchange conversations are half input (listening to what the other person is saying/writing to you). I mention that because, for me personally, the most motivating and fun way to study is language exchange conversations.
But now that I've gotten hundreds of hours of "input" through conversations, now watching TV shows in Japanese is finally starting to become more enjoyable too, because my comprehension has improved a lot from the language exchange, so now I can understand more of the shows, too. So, your study methods can evolve over time.
I was in your shoes before, trust me on this, go do immersion for a month. After this month you WILL start actually understanding grammar in your subconscious mind, it will be magical. I happened to endure an entire month of nonsense, but magically I started understanding japanese the more I immerse. People who claim that you should go "do fundamentals" first are lying, it won't help, it will only frustrate you more, and the amount of progress you will get are miniscule at best.
I've been at a low point a little while ago and am still trying to climb over it but what you said about finding something you enjoy watching even with low comprehension is something I've realized too during this phase I'm experiencing. Since my low point where I felt like I'm getting no where and that I should start doing something like sentence mining and forcing myself to immerse more even when I don't like it I've gone ahead and watched nichijou which was absolutely a blast, rewatched tokyo ghoul because I've been listening to the unravel cover by ado for a while now and I hadn't rewatched that anime in 6 years, and then I started watching asobi asobase and proceeded to finishi 7 episodes in one afternoon which was a big motivational boost. Now I know the issue is I'm not looking hard enough for content to enjoy, and that my comprehension can be fairly good at times. RUclips is still a big wall to climb, searching for content I like is kind of hard but I have found some here and there. Now for my experience with sentence mining I did set it up and mined like 5 sentences from nichijou but have stopped after that because I don't like doing it, the way I have it set up is I do everything manually and it's such a chore. I also question it's viability because I look at myself now and see that I've been able to achieve an exceptionally good level in English by just consuming lots and lots of youtube over the span of a decade. Thinking about it I started doing it exactly 10 years ago during the summer of 2014 when I got my first smartphone, so maybe I should celebrate. I remember I didn't understand that much but I was just enjoying watching videos on transformers and minecraft modded let's plays that were simply something no one was doing at the time in my language. And because I had a new account all the videos I was getting recommended were in English so it all spiraled out from there. I think it took around 3 to 4 years to get to that 99% comprehension some are talking about where you're not fluent yet but you understand everything and can deduce from context all the words you don't understand. Like past that point into 99.9% just means you've covered a wide variety of domains and have over 20k words under your belt. Good video. I'll try to look at that asbplayer and see if it can work with the streaming service I use for anime.
one thing that caught my attention was the 1hour for a 20min episode part. the first time (and most of the time) i just watch things. because as you said, i want to enjoy what i'm watching. i save the sentence mining for the times when i rewatch something. that way i get to enjoy it the first time, then look at different things with a microscope on subsequent watches. hope this helps. がんばれ
Same here! I don't want to sentence mine evrything so i only do my 2k/6k core pack and immerse. And i love it, maybe it will take way more time but i don't really care
I lived in Japan for about 3 years for work and picked up japanese while living there, now I'm back in my country and I don't want to lose my level of fluency, but picking up the language by living there and deliberately immersing are completely different things.
I was honestly getting frustrated, but your video showed up in my feed and now I feel inspired to actually setup a structured way of studying and immersing, thank you! 🙏🏻
lmao one of my daily motivations is numbers going up and streaks being kept
Man, I love this video.
As someone struggling to learn many skills, hearing a perspective like this really puts me at ease. There's a lot of pressure to constantly perform at an optimal level, in an optimal way, etc. I'm happy you found something that works for you! And I'll definitely take some of these tips into account.
Plus, your channel is criminally underrated. Here's a sub.
Just wanted to say that as someone who likes to play around with video editing, the transitions and general flow of this video was really good, and its kinda given me motivation to continue trying to improve my own editing (not that i do anything with it though). Besides that, really great video! I'm also trying to study japanese but rarely actively immerse myself in japanese content, i usually just try and listen out for whatever i can understand in a japanese video or read through manga or light novel raws and skip past words i dont know, so this video was kind of a motivator for me. Sadly, i dont really have much time to put into learning japanese since school is kind of overloading me with responsibilities and work, so i can only really do the bare minimum (vocabulary)
This video and the last one were both really motivating. For me (four months in) it's always felt easier to do the concrete "studying" like Anki, Genki, grammar study, maybe a module of Duolingo and whatever but immersion/acquisition itself has always felt like this brick wall I just haven't had the motivation to get started with. Gonna try to change that today! Please keep making these videos!
hoping that the algorithm gives mikumino 1000 subs ☺️☺️☺️
thank u algorithm!
I've been learning for 2+ years now. I did Anki and a lot of direct study for a year. But nowadays I don't do much other than immerse, and It works pretty well. It was hard at the start, and I only watched easy SoL, but slowly I'm able to pick up and enjoy even more complex shows. Feels good, improving even when I feel I shouldn't.
Only stagnant thing is my reading, since I stopped using Anki my progress has been slow and even regressing in some Kanji, but I'll focus reading whenever I find it enjoyable.
Great video, I always enjoying hearing about other people's experience learning languages. One thing that helped me to keep up my immersion in Japanese was to get a Japanese mobile game, like Project Sekai or Blue Archive, on my phone. Even if I didn't feel like immersing just casually playing the game would require me to read Japanese text which was good. Sometimes these games also have voice acting in their story segments which is good for practicing reading and listening.
Neko Atsume is also fantastic for this.
Thank you for introducing me to sentence mining. best technique i've ever seen.
Re-watching has been the most helpful to me
The editing on this channel is amazing, and the tips are great! Perhaps the most underrated Japanese learning creator out there!
Thanks!
I was sent here by a friend of mine just starting out. Great video! I'm on my 2nd year of learning, approaching 1500 hours logged. I just wanted to say keep going guys because this stuff really works! (I can watch most J dramas with subs, most anime without, and read most LN's relatively comfortably now) and that's with 3 hours per day. If this idiot can do it so can you guys!
I think a good way to think is to be positive. Instead of thinking, wow, I can't understand this word, think of it like: Wow, a new opportunity to learn something. This may seem silly, but mindset really is everything.
Great video BTW, thank you.
What a great video! Will definitely be bingeing the rest of your content today. It's interesting seeing how different your mindset is from mine. Your method seems to be a lot healthier than my daily 5 hour immersion extravaganza, where I wake up at 4 am just so I can keep up with everything. Wish you the best of luck on your journey!
I do basically all of what you do, except with more traditional methods (pen and paper, etc.)
It is a method or spectrum of methods I wish more beginner learners knew about, because it makes things more enjoyable.
Although with the recent vtuber stuff happening for the past few years, I'm seeing more and more people learn in fun ways.
Thank you for sharing your experience! ^_^ [ex-Refolder, but still immersing]
I've been struggling on my Japanese study, mostly because of I'm procracinating. Recently I've found motivation after getting new friend to learn Japanese with and also actively seeking JP player on games. It's really fun, but I think I'll lose the motivations later like I did before, so your tips and experinces are really useful for me to not stop studying Japanese. Thanks!
I have zero interest in learning Japanese but your mindset is helping me to think about how I’ll approach studying for license exams now that I’ve graduated school and don’t have my courses to keep me on my toes. Thank you.
How did I overcome the pain of Immersion? I became a chad "Bloom into You" enjoyer ;)
THE ENDING FRAME?? LMAO
For some reason it is inspiring to see other people's approach and philosophy and how they face the great struggle. That's what we should call it by the way, because our efforts at mastering this language are nothing short of heroic.
RUclips algorithm is scary wtf, only half way through the video did I recognize that you were that same person in a certain University's Japanese language discord. As someone who's desperately stumbling with acquiring the language in the laziest way possible I found this video to be really well put together and encouraging to someone beats themselves up over not "learning" fast enough , Thank you
It took me many years to realize that Illiden didnt say - "Im blind not death." - but instead said - "Im blind not deaf." - for they are bough pronounced the exact same way.
Damn this was a really good & well made video. Hope you make more great content like this along the way!!
my recommendation is to start immersing from the very start. Once you've got hiragana and katakana out of the way. Do this whilst going through cure dolly's entire japanese grammer series. Although she doesn't cover all grammar you will need. She covers enough for you to be able to watch anime, dramas etc comfortably. By immersing everyday whilst doing these online grammar lessons, I only secured the grammar I had already learned. Even if you don't understand at first, its by far the best method to employ for memorisation. However, past this phase I'm not sure what to recommend for new grammar, however some I've found I've just naturally absorbed due to knowledge of the language. Good Luck!
Your videos are so high quality. You'll make it easily
Saw the title, expecting worse, actually got good advices. Thanks for the video. I think your advice can resonate to a lot of people
Interesting and fun video. I can confirm the first point works due to my experience learning languages. I recommend doing this with other people to keep each other in check, take it as a fun challenge and learn more together. Cool video. ^_^
Perfektes Video für der Anfänger! Viele Sauber
Perfect video fur beginners! Really Neat
Bruh this mic quality and editing quality feels more like 200k subscribers than 2k subscriber. Keep it up my guy.
TBH I watched this video bc of blooming into you thumbnails. Love your compilation of anime
scenes. Thanks for sharing
i watched for the yagakimi icon and thumbnail, ended up staying for the content and subscribing
i know this feelings to well, and i think that your advice are pretty good.Personnly i do sometimes this 6-8h a day learning periods, it s true that i generally finish in burn out( generally one or two day being incapable to see any kanji without going to sleep immediatly and 2 more days coming back to it slowly at 40-60 minutes a day) but everytime i m amazed by the progress i accomplish after a week doing it.
I was not ready for the hoshiyomi part lol
But ye, very very relatable video and some very good tips
This channel is so underrated
Brilliant video! love your other one too
Something that I find really helpful to do is when starting a new anime I usually want to understand everything but don't want to rewatch it twice (once in English and once in Japanese). So what I've found helpful is to read the manga before hand (usually in Japanese) to get all the context and understanding and then start the anime for immersion. The backing of the context from the manga helps to alleviate any misunderstandings in the anime.
Great job. You just made me, who has no intention of learning languages or any skill watching this video, immersed. 😅
+1 to the enjoying part, I also went from 0 to fluent mainly by just watching and reading stuff that I like and writing stuff down or even passively learning in the beginning. The key to mastering anything is consistency really. And in order to have consistency you need to have fun. If you enjoy a show that has not so "useful" words that are still interesting to you, it's better to use that show for immersion compared to a more "useful" one that is easier.
Also no matter what you watch, you are subconsciously sucking in the "way to think" in Japanese, that I really struggled with in the beginning (the wa and ga, and how the sentences work etc). That is such a substantial part of a language as different as Japanese, and I consider being fluent in the thinking already half of the battle. After that the part that gives you constant headache is over and Japanese becomes just like a language that resembles English more (well, maybe not completely, but it's a big win already)
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the show that truly had me embracing ambiguity was minky momo. i just couldn't get enough of it!
I'm a year into my Japanese journey and this video really spoke to me. Some days, I feel like I'm really getting it. My reading it going great, I'm understanding the grammar, grinding on WaniKani, picking up new words through Anki etc. But then I'll pick up a manga or a Japanese copy of a magazine, or try to do some listening practice, and I feel completely lost. Even though I love studying, it can get frustrating and exasperating. I just want to do well!
I find it's best to not worry about it too much. Just get a video you like and listen to the rhythm of the language. You can pick up the general gist of what's going on by watching the action even if you don't understand why they're doing it.
What I have found to be a particularly enjoyable and easy way to immerse is gaming streams and videos for people who enjoy that kind of content.
You don't feel the pressure to follow a narrative since gameplay is universal and you get helpful context for what's being said if the creator is not rambling about random stuff. Just make sure to find talkative creators.
If you feel frustrated try to find content like this where not understanding is not a big detriment to the entertainment.
Friends? What are those? I go to the gym alone and I'll learn Japanese alone. That's just the way things are.
I am soo glad i've already learned second language and now watching this video on this language. Now learning language seems easy to me.
Came in because I was confused what immersing meant but it was indeed what I thought. Immersing one's self in the language we're aiming to learn.
I just watch 1 episode and a bit (subbed) on my lunch break every work day and do duolingo every day. I'd say I'm upper beginner now 😎
Just keep going and do what you can
Maybe one day I'll gather the motivation to finish RTK 🥴
Also, watching nagatoro season two with subs off and missing "Gigga chad" sub made me feel like I doged a bullet. That feeling has kept me on the grind ever since.
Damnn I see potential in this channel
Glad I found this suggestion, been feeling burnt- out recently and can only just about motivate myself to do my anki each day. This normally happens after finishing a lesson in Genki but now I guess finding more enjoyable methods to break it up would be super beneficial
This video is very useful and well edited. Keep it up bro!
You've got the totally right attitude about language learning :)!
Another enlightening video, I thankyou for putting these together. Suppose its my turn to put in some work :p
happy immersing! 😄
not only is this video helpful, you also have amazing taste in anime
thanks man i will use your recommendations
Hi, thanks for sharing your experience with the immersion method! I encountered your video maybe last month but I just got back to studying foreign languages by myself then (for the nth time, and i even added japanese on top of the korean that I'm already studying 😅). I didn't really get your video at the time but I got into a stump while learning and got overwhelmed. Then I read about the immersion method and came back to your video and read some partd of the moe method. Thank you because I find language learning more chill now, instead of actively inputting grammar and vocab ONLY.
I'm immersing with Akatsuki no Yona and I found this jp youtuber who's playing undertale (they have no jp/eng subs tho 🤧). I think listening to ヨルしカ songs is still part of immersion for me and I love their songs. For Korean, I'm watching Yumi's Cells and I'm a Mamamoo fan so I listen to their songs and also watch the members' youtube channels or behind the scene videos. I just looked for sites the other day to read raw manga and manhwa but I think I'm going to add reading for immersion later on.
When I immerse using movies, tv series or yt videos, I turn on the jp/kr subs with eng subs (or whatever is available) then just soak into the language. I'm at the point in my learning in which I can catch very few words or grammar points I've learned while immersing. I think I need to learn a few more grammar points before I'll read or even try to parse the subtitles 😆
I've also experienced some times when immersion is just exhausting me because, as much as I curate the content I consume with the things I love, I know at the back of my head that I'm *trying* to learn (trying to hear words I'm familiar with, mentally noting the common kanjis I've encountered, etc.) instead of *just* consuming. During these times, I stay away from jp/kr content and consume content in english or my native language 🤧
So yeah, I can't thank you enough. I'm glad I knew about this method because this is how I think I picked up English. Just watching/reading content and looking at a dictionary or the internet for things I didn't know. More power to you and other language learners, most esp the self-learning crew. 😄
I think that this video inspired me to immerse myself in a better way
I've been doing remembering the kanji anki deck every day for a while along with passive grammar videos on youtube. This has worked pretty well for me. I honestly dont do all that much "immersion". Its more like I just happen to immerse through music, furigana manga, and anime (even with english subs). I can basically understand all of a one piece episode when I watch which is pretty cool. Immersion was terribly boring before, when I was just starting, so I just kept on learning through anki. This wasn't easy and I had many setbacks but I'm really starting to see the progress. Immersion with japanese subtitles is super fun now. I suppose I just do well with step by step processes. What I'm trying to get at here is that blind immersion learning can be good for some and not for others. Experimenting with learning techniques and failing a few times is not all that bad. If its your first time learning a new language, like it is for me, you are going to have to discover the way you learn through trial and error.
I've struggled so much with motivation to the point where I went for months without making any meaningful progress in my language learning. I've abandoned everything except only my 230+ Duolingo streak which is the only thing keeping me together with my language routine. Ironically enough, when I reseted my Anki vocab deck, I was able to recognise words I've seen months ago right away and it hit me that this language learning journey is really a long term thing that needs real dedication and patience. I still struggle with motivation but I think your video gave me a few valuable insights on what to address, should I face my motivation issues again.
I have no context so i guess i am now figuring out what immersing means by guesswork
Immersing is listening and absorbing the language without the help of subtitles + dictionaries, e.g. students tend to go to Japan for immersion~ but as this video says you can use tools to help w vocabulary and stuff- as long as it isn’t translate word for word which your watching it, it’s immersion ! :)
@@YumeiieArtt what about same language subtitles (like in karaoke) to help with listening comprehension?
@@kaedesakura9274 if youre learning/ immersing in japanese, then using jp subtitles is completely fine and actually very helpful, but using english/ any language youre fluent in subtitles wouldnt be helpful, since youre not immersing your brain in the target language, and its being translated for you. hope that helps-
@@kaedesakura9274 there are other methods though, you can honestly tailor it to however you like to learn :)
I’ve been immersing for years. Just thinking I have nothing better to do forces me to continue no matter how painful it might be in a newer less comfortable language. I’m only fluent in Japanese (since 15 years ago ) and English. But started other languages a year or two ago so am back to the painful immersion stages 😂
It’s actually really hard to immerse is non-Japanese languages cuz I have to find good entertainment I wanna enjoy sometimes. At least with Japanese it’s always been natural since I’ve used it since I was 13 years old, and know hundreds or thousands of anime/games/songs and fun stuff ❤
I stared less than a month ago. I do Anki on a daily basis, but I do struggle with grammar a lot. I keep on immersing, but I've been only been able to passively immerse. Needing to actively listen and immerse can seem really tiring to me, but I always try to do my best with keeping up. I do get frustrated at times with not being able to understand 96% of an episode, but I gotta keep reminding myself that it's a long process to learn
Thank you for this, I am slowly piecing together everything that works for me and I’m getting to the point of wanting to immerse to learn Japanese and this sounds like it would be helpful
I clicked on this because I like the animes in the thumbnail but I didn't understand what "immersion" was meant to be in this context but I guess it's the thing we all did, where we learned English by watching RUclips
love the out of context jerma meme at the end. more videos should end with that.
One of my favorite ways of immersion is listening to music in Japanese! I feel like it's easier to remember some words and phrases if they're set to a catchy beat, and singing is a good way to practice pronunciation. It's not the best way to pick up "natural" speech, but it's a good way to pick up more advanced vocabulary, grammar, and slang you don't hear often anywhere else. And it takes less time than watching anime.
thanks for making this :)
There are numerous studies showing emersion isn't gonna make you magically able to master a language
At this stage you have to study the dialogs deeply
One pro tip is to use comprehensible input channels that make things which are comprehensible they’re good when you’re starting out
Not the Bloom into you content I craved, but good non the less
Please make detailed videos about the apps and programs you are using, like mining note and Migaku.
and what anime at 5:50?
I don't use migaku, but I might make a video about jp-mining-note + asbplayer
The anime is mushoku tensei
@@mikuminou yes please a video about that would be great!
I mostly do my immersion and mine words from doujinshi, CG-art, and sometimes VNs. It might not be ideal, but for me there's intrinsic motivation to studying and understanding them🧐
Sentence mining is what I do in lingopie
didnt expect that suichan
instant sub
Man this video is awsome
Now that I think about it, I should definitely go check out Bloom Into You
I recently watched 君に届け on Netflix (the live action drama) in complete japanese (with japanese subtitles) i understood some of it,but the other half i didnt understand,but i knew enough to know what was going on. The one thing i learned by doing this is i really really enjoy watching stuff in japanese only. 😄💕
pog content looking forward to the next one, also please make some tutorial videos on your learning apps setup, it looks outstanding 😁
Idk how i did it as a child but back then i could watch cartoon network all day and i could bearly understand English
Here before this channel blows up
Oh my god jerma really does look like the yellow m&m
Right!!!
Didn't know what it was before clicking, very interesting
From 1.5 years ago, i've been hiding in japanese novels, in this time i've read like 20 books, and it's becoming easier and easier, to the point where I feel ashamed if I watch an anime episode and I don't understand a lot like I do with books... The funny part is that if I turn on the japanese subtitles, everything turns so clear that is great... and scary. :S
I suppose is time to face anime and force my brain to hear japanese. :)
hey nice video man I enjoyed that
i started my language journey leaning German. I have German friends and family, but I found it almost impossible to immerse. I can get by watching a film in German, but my comprehension is poor. Because of this, and as an excuse to watch copious amounts of anime, I started learning Japanese. As a Math major, I love the phoneticness and general rules. Immersion has never been easier and that's why I would really recommend anyone to learn a language based on media and immersion if you are doing it for fun.
Dude what's you mal
BTW lovely Videos I see the inspiration from liva kivi and the added personal touch and I'm really into to it
So you can count me on board
thanks! i use anilist instead of mal since i think it looks better, and my username on there is mikumino