iOS. Used to use Android on the Pixel, but prefer how it syncs with my MacBook and Apple TV. I have heard of Android users installing GrapheneOS to “degoogle” and I respect that. At the end of the day, use what works best with your workflow and priorities. I see people on degoogling/privacy subreddits and here on RUclips that say “you’re not doing it right if you aren’t using Arch Linux, Arkenfox and a pixel running GrapheneOS!” This strict attitude and dismissal of those who are stepping into the world of privacy/degoogling is hurtful and anti-productive towards the actual goal of privacy.
What I can't give up on Android: • Browser engines (Firefox + uBlock origin) • File managers that really deserve their name. You can't even show hidden files or name an SMB share under iOS. • Syncthing • Keyboard (soo bad on iOS) • 3rd party app stores • possibility to install self developed apps easily • KDE Connect (limited on iOS) • Auto clickers • GPS spoofing through developer options • Functional but less beauty Widgets • Gesture control (back gesture) • Fingerprint readers (although it's not a software feature it is only available on android phones) • Launcher and OS freedom + customizable • I control my device and not the other way round.
I prefer Android, but it's good to remember that not every model allows you to flash new operating systems (some have locked bootliaders). Not every model is going to be supported for long (but some like Fairphone already have a longer support time than iphone). Android is more of a mixed bag, the best setups are better than iOs, but many are worse.
What's keeping me on Android: - Fairphone - F-Droid - LineageOS - Actual web browsers where you can install extensions such as UBlock - By comparison Apple devices being unrepairable and Apple being shit to developers and trying to tax you on every level, not touching that anytime soon
The best way to socially alienate yourself is to be on android. No imessage 😂 oh what. You want everyone to use WhatsApp and messenger and pass all of your now compressed photo and video through Facebook. Yeah nah. Some of the largest software development companies, and organizations in the world all utilize iOS to manage secure deployment and management of devices. For the user, what software is going to be better. One that’s designed to run on 20-30 devices with similar hardware layouts…. or software that has to run on a million different screen sizes, resolutions, ram, button layouts, speaker configurations, cameras etc. Android will NEVER have the edge. Let’s not forget how google come to be. A search engine. Then a browser to track you beyond your search. And then an entire operating system to track how and when you have your period.
@@ibsn87 Oh I'm not touching normal Android even with a thousand foot stick. I'm using LineageOS, basically Android without any Google services or any tracking inside it, it's very nice. Can't do that on an iPhone, heh ? Also while iOS is definitely better for privacy than normal Android, you shouldn't blindly trust Apple when it comes to privacy. They're very good at marketing, but definitely had some big controversies in the past. Also, even without using LineageOS, you can completely remove Google services from your phone if you so desire. Not sure you can do that on Apple devices ? Genuinely curious here. We can also do stuff like completely block internet access to an application, or completely block it from running in the background, which is pretty dope when it comes down to it.
@@ibsn87 Also not everyone lives in the US. Using SMS and Whatsapp - or, better, Signal - is completely normal here. Tbh I feel like we shouldn't be fighting over operations systems like this, you should just use what you prefer when it comes down to it. Also you shouldn't let yourself be alienated to think Android is inherently bad and stuff, after all it's Apple who's voluntarily not releasing iMessage for Android. If they really cared about your privacy, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do ?
@@Blueeeeeee I’ve never met a single person who runs an edge case operating system on their android device… so really. We need to compare traditional android vs iOS. As that’s what the overwhelming majority of people use. I’ve been on both. The consumer benefits of the Apple ecosystem are nothing short of phenomenal. The user experience is far far better - especially between devices. The warranty process by Apple Store is 10000x ahead of the other options. Of course they will be collecting their own data, but we have moved on from 15 years ago. There’s very little you can’t do on an iPhone these days. Unless you’re talking very edge case specific tasks. Apple have been known to push many significant security protocols and updates that have subsequently broken compatibility with old protocols- yet forced change for good…. I’m not sure people “blindly trust Apple”, but Apple was always critiqued by android users for having a “locked down system”. Which has ironically played in their favor leading them to the overwhelming domination of commercial hardware and software deployment throughout businesses, airlines, schools etc as their software has always been regarded as the most mainstream - secure and accessible and supported … I could grind away and isolate myself to the 0.1% and operate obscure operating systems, encounter app compatibility issues. I could alienate myself from the tremendous benefits of family and friends being on the same ecosystem. I and the majority of big corporations probably trust Apple with data more than I trust the other brands if I’m to be honest. Again. Sure you can avoid mainstream OS’s but I’m not up to anything shady I’m willing to accept that there is a data transfer. You can lock down most things pretty dramatically - as I’ve already done. If you’re a purest and want absolutely zero data transfer, then sure, do what you have done. But…. Data is a 2 way street. There is a lot of benefit associated with using a mainstream device. The question is - which is the lesser of 2 evils. And alienating yourself to a less compatible, less updated, less supported operating system is like running Linux on a pc because you refuse to use Microsoft Windows isn’t my jam.
Apple's Advanced Data Protection is the only thing keeping me on iOS. I want my photos to be private without giving up the convenience of having face recognition, search etc. I know Ente Photos is a thing but it doesn't have streaming for videos yet so if you want to watch a big video it has to fully sync to the device first which can take a long time and file size is limited too. I know there is Immich which can be self hosted and stored on an encrypted drive on a server but then you have to maintain it etc. and it is not yet stable even though it works well.
I've used custom roms on android for 11+ years now with many different phones, of course and it's the one that i love the most from it. I've hardened my privacy too by not using much social media, removed every trackers, using fully offline stuff for those that don't actually need online connections & keep using vpn and private browser when i need to input my private, sensitive informations. I don't use my phone to monitor my wellbeing either. I've also been building my own ecosystem for years for my android, windows & linux stuff
I use iOS only for how simple it is and the inter-connectivity with other apple devices. That seamless integration is nice. Even though I love Distro-Hopping with linux - once Apple Silicon performance is comparable to a 7600M or higher - I'll likely switch over to a Macbook full-time in the future, just for that seamless compatibility. Used to hate the apple ecosystem a decade ago and now I just like that works.
i wanted to be happy with graphene so bad, but ended up switching back to ios few months later anyway. the ios/macos integration is such a big productivity and convenience boost that the amount of extra privacy those alternatives offer simply isn't worth for me
I have spent many years playing around between GrapheneOS and iOS, but have settled with iOS. It fits my low threat model wonderfully. Basic Privacy tools like Signal, Proton Suite, Strongbox, and a Foss Browser take care of my main concerns. Plus, Advanced Data Protection has been a good experience. Great Video!
The best way to socially alienate yourself is to be on android. No imessage 😂 oh what. You want everyone to use WhatsApp and messenger and pass all of your now compressed photo and video through Facebook. Yeah nah. Some of the largest software development companies, and organizations in the world all utilize iOS to manage secure deployment and management of devices. For the user, what software is going to be better. One that’s designed to run on 20-30 devices with similar hardware layouts…. or software that has to run on a million different screen sizes, resolutions, ram, button layouts, speaker configurations, cameras etc. Android will NEVER have the edge. Let’s not forget how google come to be. A search engine. Then a browser to track you beyond your search. And then an entire operating system to track how and when you have your period.
@@babyj7195 laughing at your own jokes. I couldn’t be further from America mate. Was I wrong with anything I said? Over 90% of my friends and family happily use Apple products. Some of which are still using iPhone models which are 8 years old. (I literally don’t know anyone with an android phone that lasts beyond 3 years). My MacBook is like new and runs like it and it’s 7 years old and my iPad is even older and still works like new. They all still talk to each other. The Apple ecosystem is undeniably interconnected and user friendly. like no-one debates the fact. At What point does choosing to continue with an ecosystem, “lock you in”. I can walk away, but wtf would I? Everything just works. Google was a search engine, they lost you past the search, so they created chrome. Now they can track you past the initial search. Walk away from the Pc and now they lost you again. So they created/ purchased android in 2005. Now they can track you every minute of every day that you use the phone. Go google. As if they don’t have enough information on us as it is. You likely bypassed actually reading my completely valid points. FWIW, on the flight deck right through to business applications, there’s good reasons why Apple absolutely dominate the commercial market. “Lmao”. Why isn’t android the preferred choice in schools, education, mining, industrial applications up to important applications like aviation to name a few. Ironically you didn’t bring any adult to the conversation but rather accused me of being American and laughed at your own joke.
I like using both but with my family and my wife’s all on iOS it makes a lot of things easier. And for my “threat model” I feel like it does a good job for most people.
What's important IMO is that Android did a massive step forward with security and privacy in the recent years and keeps pushing that back to older phones. The system is almost annoying at limiting permissions and battery time to any apps, including ability to let apps access e.g. only user-selected files instead of whole gallery, etc.. The level of configuration you get, same as for notifications, is mind blowing. Not to mention you have choice to use e.g. finger print reader unlike ios, where it's only face-reader cause apple says so.
I live in a country where Google has not started selling Pixels. There are _rumors_ about a possible 2025 launch, but I do not know whether Google will consider my warranty void if I install graphene on my phone (I know that this is not an issue in most of the world, but there has not been any practical/legal precedent set in my country as of yet). I also don't know if my banking/financial apps will work, and if I can get *any* developers to care about my plight if they do not (I also work in tech, and the approach to integrity checks is abysmal here). Which leaves me with apple devices as the most reliable devices with decentish security/privacy that I can actually acquire.
Custom roms Can void warranty, but all you need to do is reinstall Android if it isn't destroyed, As a GOS user and pixel 6 owner. The repairability factory is light years ahead of apple. I just repaired my battery myself and it was a breeze. I could of replaced a few more parts cheap too.
I have no idea what would happen if my phone for bricked to the point of preventing return to stock OS, and as I said, there is no legal/practical precedent where I live. Also, the plexus database does not have info on any of the apps I need because of availability issues.
@@prepor584 bricking is extremely rare. I understand your issues. Even when I thought I blocked my device, Google's site led me to a recovery mode and I reversed it back to stock android and I fixed the issue with GOS. Hopefully plexus gets an update on available for the apps you need. I don't run into that issue due to I use PWAs for my banking.
I love being able to tinker with the OS and make Android just how I want it. Honestly at this point the main thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can customize the UI, record phone calls on LineageOS/GrapheneOS and that I can transfer my Signal messages to a new device which is still not possible on iOS
I used Android from 2008 to 2022 and switched to iOS in 2022 with the iPhone 14 Plus. The reason I switched is because: I wanted a phone that would get OS updates for at least 5 years; I wanted a phone that was a flagship so it would still feel fast years down the road, and my mom and gf have iPhones so it makes it easier for us to take advantage of iCloud and Findmy and FaceTime, iMessage, and whatnot. I really do miss the customizability of Android but I do love my iPhone. I might go back to Android with the Pixel Ultra in 2027 tho. We shall see
Ad company is the gate keeper of your data on android. It all goes through them in one way or another. So why trust them to keep your data private when are motivated to get it for ads.
I don't understand why people see fingerprint sensor as a selling point / deal maker. I hate it so much on my Pixel and fortunately it has an option to use face recognition.
One difference I have noticed is that generally speaking, android apps tend to require more access resources, such as contacts and location, than iOS apps. Not taking graphene into account, less access to phone resources this makes Apple more secure
I always had that 'stop' in my spirit when approached on taking an iphone. Never had peace. Love most androids - some are crap- but there are good ones.
What I want is a full desktop OS I can run from my phone using an HDMI-USBC cable/hub. These things can run local AI models now but I can't use a real OS. (And no, Samsung Dex does NOT count.) I mean full x86 apps via a compatibility layer similar to Rosetta. Neither side has this.
Android profiles are quite a bit more robust. Android profiles allows you to install two versions of the same app, have two different VPN slots, etc. It's almost like a second phone alongside your main one (similar to multiple user accounts on desktop operating systems.) But yes iOS profiles are really nice for notification separation and homescreen customization. It just doesn't have many implications for safety :)
Americans are literally hooked on IOS because of other devices in the Apple ecosystem! All its users are pretty much in LOCKDOWN mode! 9:07 There are four options actually - Harmony & Graphene OS
Privacy on either one is a ridiculous concept and not a serious discussion. The talk about cell phone privacy concerns de--googled phones and very expensive options only a few can justify.
For people who know then yes, but for consumers who are unaware, privacy could be everything they own but they don't know about. Many ppl have fallen for fake ads, scams & phishing because they don't know anything. Cyber hygiene is the most important thing in this day & age and it's a duty for the experts & experienced, if you will to open ppl's eyes abt how important it is because it does happen in real life. I've never got any phishing attempt while some of my friends who don't do anything abt their digital privacy fell into those traps. You might thing digital privacy isn't important because you're already an expert on keeping your digital space clean but for those who don't know, they need to be aware of it all because again, it could be their everything and they just don't know it
Yeah, they don't officially support it as far as each user being an actual user, with their own data, though technically putting a Samsung phone into "maintenance mode" is another user, and I think engineer mode is too, there might be others, but idr
@@caseyriley1014 In the meantime I discovered the FOSS App "Shelter". As far as I understood it, it just activates the Work Profile feature, which is hidden on samsung devices since they only offer their Secred Folder (kind of a user) or the google Work Profile.
iPhone, even though Android looks interesting. Apple makes privacy easy for me and the fam. No need to use 3rd party solutions to achieve an acceptable level of privacy. Mostly appreciate the Advanced data protection stuff.
I think you will have a lot more hard time making this video in 6 months since EU version of iOS will have 3rd party app stores, different engines etc. I mean hard time because you will have to start separating iOS EU version with the rest of the world. :D Only one objection, Android updates for Pixel and I think Samsung as well said for 7 years? but that leaves a very huge portion of the cheap phones that are other vendors. That will always be an iffy situation. Last I would like to hear more about the part at 1:46 on why iOS does not allow those features, not sure if it is an apple limitation or an actual development limitation, but I think it would be interesting as an added info
In fact, the worst thing on that all is that you have to choose between iOS and Android, because they are both bad. In different ways, but still bad. And even worse is the fact, that big OSes (like what runs on your PC) are slowly implementing all that bad things, because people are used to that from cell phones and tablets.
i love both systems i have iphone 14 pro max and samsung s24 ultra, but as a main phone i use iphone for ecosystem and other security and privacy things, i love my android phone but i think i am going to sell it bcs i just like ios a bit more.
Interesting review. In my opinion Android updates from Samsung were not working well. I bought a new tablet and could not get new android OS updates because Samsung didn't released for that specific chipset/model. Very disappointed. While Apple even on older iphone 6 was providing updates.
I can’t give up imessage and facetime and all of the apple privacy security features which is keeping me on IOS. Android will never be able to match apple security because again android is open source while apple is a wall garden. Also mainstream apps just work better on IOS even new mainstream games for mobile is 99.9% always released on ios first. I refuse to use android where my data is not protected. Remember people your phone is literally the most valuable thing in the world because it holds all of ur personal info.
In short, Android for sophisticated people who know exactly what they are doing and want to do those sophisticated things. iPhone is for everyone, especially those dumb people who don’t know what phone security cyber security is, which unfortunately includes me…
I have picked Android for the amount of control you get with it I do wish there were other options though as even android can be somewhat limiting. For example a lot of apps lose functionality the second you rood the device like having root control all the sudden makes it less secure. What it really means is that you as the user have the control and can grant control to other applications as desired where as on an unrooted device google is the one with the control and apps like banking trust google a lot more than they trust the user. Unfortunately they can be right but personally I would still prefer to have that control myself. I will say that if you are not willing to take the time to harden android you are probably better off with ios as google tries to spy on you as much as possible by default.
Once you spend time on more meaningful things like self hosting and contributing to the open source community, you won't spend time on those tiny device customization bullshit
@@呀咧呀咧 Um this is a pretty stupid take. Just because I self host and contribute to the open source community doesn't mean that I don't have a phone. I would use a linux phone but they are incredibly limiting in their current iterations. Who knows. Maybe valve will come out with a linux phone too and save those as well.
What's better about these apps then their android counterparts exactly. Because I'm pretty happy with my messaging app (textra, though I'm sure by this point stock messages is comparable) , my video chat app (google meet) and my navigation app (Google maps) .
had a chance to use apple maps in a car recently... I thought android auto is annoying, but this ios thingy would be a crap even in 2007... o_O I just couln't bare how bad the UI is
Android is the best From MIUI to Nusantara,CorvusOS then LineageOS Magisk Module for GAMING Lsposed additional module Root needed apps 👌 FKM adjusting CPU and GPU clock speed Modding apps👌
I have an iPhone 15 pro max and an S24 ultra and love both. I agree with most of what you said, but i think apps on iOS run and look better than android.
Apple’s chips in the newer iPhones pass data thru the phone before going thru the software called E2E encryption. Not secure. Google’s tensor chips do the same. Privacy is gone unless you move off the grid. Keep digging.
Yeah, as much as I want to like android… they have cool phones like the nothing phone - but a lot of the apps are just ugly and not optimized, and therefore laggy und buggy. It’s awful.
btw you didnt mention that android is open source unlike ios and most of the ios options your mentioned are just what Apple claims to do, you cant really check if its bullet proof or not
The best way to socially alienate yourself is to be on android. No imessage 😂 oh what. You want everyone to use WhatsApp and messenger and pass all of your now compressed photo and video through Facebook. Yeah nah. Some of the largest software development companies, and organizations in the world all utilize iOS to manage secure deployment and management of devices. For the user, what software is going to be better. One that’s designed to run on 20-30 devices with similar hardware layouts…. or software that has to run on a million different screen sizes, resolutions, ram, button layouts, speaker configurations, cameras etc. Android will NEVER have the edge.
ADP by itself makes iOS objectively superior than any Android device. Apple also collects dramatically less data than google, although it isn’t zero. FaceID is both easier to use and more secure than Touch ID by far. Excluding flashing grapheneOS, there’s no reason to use Android for people who care about privacy & security. Apple is superior in that regard. Everything else is debatable and/or personal preference.
@@mysteriousm1 i watched the video and i agree with him but i know it sounds weird for you because of your american tunnel vision and bias towards apple
Which OS works best for your workflow and priorities? Why? Let me know below, I wanna hear!
One uI
Samsung Dex
CalyxOS on a Pixel 8 Pro here. Some of my apps don't work without microG and the feature set of Graphene just doesn't cut it for me
Make video on kagi search engine
iOS. Used to use Android on the Pixel, but prefer how it syncs with my MacBook and Apple TV. I have heard of Android users installing GrapheneOS to “degoogle” and I respect that.
At the end of the day, use what works best with your workflow and priorities.
I see people on degoogling/privacy subreddits and here on RUclips that say “you’re not doing it right if you aren’t using Arch Linux, Arkenfox and a pixel running GrapheneOS!”
This strict attitude and dismissal of those who are stepping into the world of privacy/degoogling is hurtful and anti-productive towards the actual goal of privacy.
oneui for features, graphene for privacy
What I can't give up on Android:
• Browser engines (Firefox + uBlock origin)
• File managers that really deserve their name. You can't even show hidden files or name an SMB share under iOS.
• Syncthing
• Keyboard (soo bad on iOS)
• 3rd party app stores
• possibility to install self developed apps easily
• KDE Connect (limited on iOS)
• Auto clickers
• GPS spoofing through developer options
• Functional but less beauty Widgets
• Gesture control (back gesture)
• Fingerprint readers (although it's not a software feature it is only available on android phones)
• Launcher and OS freedom + customizable
• I control my device and not the other way round.
Totally agree with every point
keep in mid gecko is insecure in android
@@lussor1why?
Mac Randomisation
@@phoneywheeze iOS also does MAC address randomization (since 2020)
I prefer Android, but it's good to remember that not every model allows you to flash new operating systems (some have locked bootliaders). Not every model is going to be supported for long (but some like Fairphone already have a longer support time than iphone). Android is more of a mixed bag, the best setups are better than iOs, but many are worse.
We’ll see about Google long time supporting older devices… they’re the king of announcing projects and then just as quickly cancel them.
GrapheneOS
What's keeping me on Android:
- Fairphone
- F-Droid
- LineageOS
- Actual web browsers where you can install extensions such as UBlock
- By comparison Apple devices being unrepairable and Apple being shit to developers and trying to tax you on every level, not touching that anytime soon
Wdym, safari can run adguard and stay (userscript extensions), etc.
The best way to socially alienate yourself is to be on android. No imessage 😂 oh what. You want everyone to use WhatsApp and messenger and pass all of your now compressed photo and video through Facebook. Yeah nah. Some of the largest software development companies, and organizations in the world all utilize iOS to manage secure deployment and management of devices.
For the user, what software is going to be better. One that’s designed to run on 20-30 devices with similar hardware layouts…. or software that has to run on a million different screen sizes, resolutions, ram, button layouts, speaker configurations, cameras etc. Android will NEVER have the edge.
Let’s not forget how google come to be. A search engine. Then a browser to track you beyond your search. And then an entire operating system to track how and when you have your period.
@@ibsn87 Oh I'm not touching normal Android even with a thousand foot stick. I'm using LineageOS, basically Android without any Google services or any tracking inside it, it's very nice. Can't do that on an iPhone, heh ?
Also while iOS is definitely better for privacy than normal Android, you shouldn't blindly trust Apple when it comes to privacy. They're very good at marketing, but definitely had some big controversies in the past.
Also, even without using LineageOS, you can completely remove Google services from your phone if you so desire. Not sure you can do that on Apple devices ? Genuinely curious here.
We can also do stuff like completely block internet access to an application, or completely block it from running in the background, which is pretty dope when it comes down to it.
@@ibsn87 Also not everyone lives in the US. Using SMS and Whatsapp - or, better, Signal - is completely normal here.
Tbh I feel like we shouldn't be fighting over operations systems like this, you should just use what you prefer when it comes down to it.
Also you shouldn't let yourself be alienated to think Android is inherently bad and stuff, after all it's Apple who's voluntarily not releasing iMessage for Android. If they really cared about your privacy, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do ?
@@Blueeeeeee I’ve never met a single person who runs an edge case operating system on their android device… so really. We need to compare traditional android vs iOS. As that’s what the overwhelming majority of people use.
I’ve been on both. The consumer benefits of the Apple ecosystem are nothing short of phenomenal. The user experience is far far better - especially between devices. The warranty process by Apple Store is 10000x ahead of the other options. Of course they will be collecting their own data, but we have moved on from 15 years ago. There’s very little you can’t do on an iPhone these days. Unless you’re talking very edge case specific tasks. Apple have been known to push many significant security protocols and updates that have subsequently broken compatibility with old protocols- yet forced change for good….
I’m not sure people “blindly trust Apple”, but Apple was always critiqued by android users for having a “locked down system”. Which has ironically played in their favor leading them to the overwhelming domination of commercial hardware and software deployment throughout businesses, airlines, schools etc as their software has always been regarded as the most mainstream - secure and accessible and supported …
I could grind away and isolate myself to the 0.1% and operate obscure operating systems, encounter app compatibility issues. I could alienate myself from the tremendous benefits of family and friends being on the same ecosystem.
I and the majority of big corporations probably trust Apple with data more than I trust the other brands if I’m to be honest. Again. Sure you can avoid mainstream OS’s but I’m not up to anything shady I’m willing to accept that there is a data transfer. You can lock down most things pretty dramatically - as I’ve already done.
If you’re a purest and want absolutely zero data transfer, then sure, do what you have done. But…. Data is a 2 way street. There is a lot of benefit associated with using a mainstream device. The question is - which is the lesser of 2 evils. And alienating yourself to a less compatible, less updated, less supported operating system is like running Linux on a pc because you refuse to use Microsoft Windows isn’t my jam.
Apple's Advanced Data Protection is the only thing keeping me on iOS. I want my photos to be private without giving up the convenience of having face recognition, search etc.
I know Ente Photos is a thing but it doesn't have streaming for videos yet so if you want to watch a big video it has to fully sync to the device first which can take a long time and file size is limited too.
I know there is Immich which can be self hosted and stored on an encrypted drive on a server but then you have to maintain it etc. and it is not yet stable even though it works well.
I've used custom roms on android for 11+ years now with many different phones, of course and it's the one that i love the most from it. I've hardened my privacy too by not using much social media, removed every trackers, using fully offline stuff for those that don't actually need online connections & keep using vpn and private browser when i need to input my private, sensitive informations. I don't use my phone to monitor my wellbeing either. I've also been building my own ecosystem for years for my android, windows & linux stuff
I use iOS only for how simple it is and the inter-connectivity with other apple devices. That seamless integration is nice. Even though I love Distro-Hopping with linux - once Apple Silicon performance is comparable to a 7600M or higher - I'll likely switch over to a Macbook full-time in the future, just for that seamless compatibility. Used to hate the apple ecosystem a decade ago and now I just like that works.
i wanted to be happy with graphene so bad, but ended up switching back to ios few months later anyway. the ios/macos integration is such a big productivity and convenience boost that the amount of extra privacy those alternatives offer simply isn't worth for me
Nahh bruhh, ios is not simple at all, you will realize this only after you switch to android
@@MUIsaiyanGoku I had Android from 2011 - 2022. HTC, Samsung, Pixel, Motorola, Sony. Just didn’t work as well even when on graphene or oxygen.
@@MUIsaiyanGokunah you'll realize once you own an iOS device (no need to switch to another since it's legal to have both, isn't it)
I have spent many years playing around between GrapheneOS and iOS, but have settled with iOS. It fits my low threat model wonderfully. Basic Privacy tools like Signal, Proton Suite, Strongbox, and a Foss Browser take care of my main concerns. Plus, Advanced Data Protection has been a good experience. Great Video!
Termux is mandatory for me.. so no iOS. Many others too
iOS local encrypted backups looks really neat! Wish we had it on Android. Not switching to iOS just for that though.
There's no need to switch between one and the other, you are allowed to own both.
@@呀咧呀咧 yes, but interop is practically nonexistent right now and we don't really have something like the F-Droid store on iOS.
The best way to socially alienate yourself is to be on android. No imessage 😂 oh what. You want everyone to use WhatsApp and messenger and pass all of your now compressed photo and video through Facebook. Yeah nah. Some of the largest software development companies, and organizations in the world all utilize iOS to manage secure deployment and management of devices.
For the user, what software is going to be better. One that’s designed to run on 20-30 devices with similar hardware layouts…. or software that has to run on a million different screen sizes, resolutions, ram, button layouts, speaker configurations, cameras etc. Android will NEVER have the edge.
Let’s not forget how google come to be. A search engine. Then a browser to track you beyond your search. And then an entire operating system to track how and when you have your period.
@@ibsn87 lemme guess, u is american and locked in the ecosystem lmao.
@@babyj7195 laughing at your own jokes. I couldn’t be further from America mate. Was I wrong with anything I said? Over 90% of my friends and family happily use Apple products. Some of which are still using iPhone models which are 8 years old. (I literally don’t know anyone with an android phone that lasts beyond 3 years).
My MacBook is like new and runs like it and it’s 7 years old and my iPad is even older and still works like new. They all still talk to each other.
The Apple ecosystem is undeniably interconnected and user friendly. like no-one debates the fact. At What point does choosing to continue with an ecosystem, “lock you in”.
I can walk away, but wtf would I? Everything just works.
Google was a search engine, they lost you past the search, so they created chrome. Now they can track you past the initial search. Walk away from the Pc and now they lost you again. So they created/ purchased android in 2005. Now they can track you every minute of every day that you use the phone. Go google. As if they don’t have enough information on us as it is.
You likely bypassed actually reading my completely valid points. FWIW, on the flight deck right through to business applications, there’s good reasons why Apple absolutely dominate the commercial market.
“Lmao”. Why isn’t android the preferred choice in schools, education, mining, industrial applications up to important applications like aviation to name a few.
Ironically you didn’t bring any adult to the conversation but rather accused me of being American and laughed at your own joke.
I like using both but with my family and my wife’s all on iOS it makes a lot of things easier. And for my “threat model” I feel like it does a good job for most people.
What's important IMO is that Android did a massive step forward with security and privacy in the recent years and keeps pushing that back to older phones. The system is almost annoying at limiting permissions and battery time to any apps, including ability to let apps access e.g. only user-selected files instead of whole gallery, etc.. The level of configuration you get, same as for notifications, is mind blowing. Not to mention you have choice to use e.g. finger print reader unlike ios, where it's only face-reader cause apple says so.
GrapheneOS user here 👋
The only true way 🗿🗿🗿🗿
How you using RUclips? Via a browser?
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Same here
@@thesigma8508Using Revanced patched RUclips - this is the way :)
I live in a country where Google has not started selling Pixels. There are _rumors_ about a possible 2025 launch, but I do not know whether Google will consider my warranty void if I install graphene on my phone (I know that this is not an issue in most of the world, but there has not been any practical/legal precedent set in my country as of yet). I also don't know if my banking/financial apps will work, and if I can get *any* developers to care about my plight if they do not (I also work in tech, and the approach to integrity checks is abysmal here). Which leaves me with apple devices as the most reliable devices with decentish security/privacy that I can actually acquire.
Custom roms Can void warranty, but all you need to do is reinstall Android if it isn't destroyed,
As a GOS user and pixel 6 owner.
The repairability factory is light years ahead of apple.
I just repaired my battery myself and it was a breeze. I could of replaced a few more parts cheap too.
There is also an app/site I believe that tells you the compatibility on custom roms too
I have no idea what would happen if my phone for bricked to the point of preventing return to stock OS, and as I said, there is no legal/practical precedent where I live.
Also, the plexus database does not have info on any of the apps I need because of availability issues.
@@prepor584 bricking is extremely rare. I understand your issues. Even when I thought I blocked my device, Google's site led me to a recovery mode and I reversed it back to stock android and I fixed the issue with GOS. Hopefully plexus gets an update on available for the apps you need.
I don't run into that issue due to I use PWAs for my banking.
We had the same problem in Poland. People bought Pixels anyway and that made Google notice and now there is official support in my country.
I love being able to tinker with the OS and make Android just how I want it. Honestly at this point the main thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can customize the UI, record phone calls on LineageOS/GrapheneOS and that I can transfer my Signal messages to a new device which is still not possible on iOS
It exists in Android, Samsung phones. It's called enhanced data protection and it encrypts your data before backing it up on Samsung cloud
I used Android from 2008 to 2022 and switched to iOS in 2022 with the iPhone 14 Plus. The reason I switched is because: I wanted a phone that would get OS updates for at least 5 years; I wanted a phone that was a flagship so it would still feel fast years down the road, and my mom and gf have iPhones so it makes it easier for us to take advantage of iCloud and Findmy and FaceTime, iMessage, and whatnot. I really do miss the customizability of Android but I do love my iPhone. I might go back to Android with the Pixel Ultra in 2027 tho. We shall see
Ad company is the gate keeper of your data on android. It all goes through them in one way or another. So why trust them to keep your data private when are motivated to get it for ads.
I don't understand why people see fingerprint sensor as a selling point / deal maker. I hate it so much on my Pixel and fortunately it has an option to use face recognition.
Biometrics are quick but they are not secure. Pin or PW is safe from court orders, biometrics are not.
One difference I have noticed is that generally speaking, android apps tend to require more access resources, such as contacts and location, than iOS apps. Not taking graphene into account, less access to phone resources this makes Apple more secure
Well the difference is that apple generally gives apps access to those requested resources, without asking you first
I always had that 'stop' in my spirit when approached on taking an iphone. Never had peace. Love most androids - some are crap- but there are good ones.
What I want is a full desktop OS I can run from my phone using an HDMI-USBC cable/hub. These things can run local AI models now but I can't use a real OS. (And no, Samsung Dex does NOT count.) I mean full x86 apps via a compatibility layer similar to Rosetta. Neither side has this.
iOS does have work profiles. It's in the "focus" area. I use it almost daily.
Android profiles are quite a bit more robust. Android profiles allows you to install two versions of the same app, have two different VPN slots, etc. It's almost like a second phone alongside your main one (similar to multiple user accounts on desktop operating systems.) But yes iOS profiles are really nice for notification separation and homescreen customization. It just doesn't have many implications for safety :)
GrapheneOS is number 1 🎉
I have both, like both, use for different jobs
Private relay in safari i cant give up. Websites sometimes dont work with vpn
Big Ups nice video lots of bots in the comments today for some reason.
At Samsung we have Secure Folder which is good
For the algorithm.
+1 GrapheneOS.
Different OS's only work on certain Android phones.
What we need is a brand new competitor to Google and Apple eco systems. Proton Mobile.... Maybe they can merge with Graphene...
🤔 Maybe Tesla phone😅
Android is just better ❤
Many apps are not available on crapple because they do mot allow apps with gpl license
Haypatia for Android is an excellent malware scanner. It really does a great job.
How about don't spend that much time on a tiny screen.
Compatible with both operating systems :)
True
If you were to switch from iOS to Android, which device would you recommend?
Americans are literally hooked on IOS because of other devices in the Apple ecosystem!
All its users are pretty much in LOCKDOWN mode!
9:07 There are four options actually - Harmony & Graphene OS
Android: Syncthing.
Privacy on either one is a ridiculous concept and not a serious discussion. The talk about cell phone privacy concerns de--googled phones and very expensive options only a few can justify.
For people who know then yes, but for consumers who are unaware, privacy could be everything they own but they don't know about. Many ppl have fallen for fake ads, scams & phishing because they don't know anything. Cyber hygiene is the most important thing in this day & age and it's a duty for the experts & experienced, if you will to open ppl's eyes abt how important it is because it does happen in real life. I've never got any phishing attempt while some of my friends who don't do anything abt their digital privacy fell into those traps.
You might thing digital privacy isn't important because you're already an expert on keeping your digital space clean but for those who don't know, they need to be aware of it all because again, it could be their everything and they just don't know it
I think not all androids support multiple users, e.g. samsung.
Yeah, they don't officially support it as far as each user being an actual user, with their own data, though technically putting a Samsung phone into "maintenance mode" is another user, and I think engineer mode is too, there might be others, but idr
@@caseyriley1014 In the meantime I discovered the FOSS App "Shelter". As far as I understood it, it just activates the Work Profile feature, which is hidden on samsung devices since they only offer their Secred Folder (kind of a user) or the google Work Profile.
Can I encrypt information before it goes to Google Drive?
iPhone, even though Android looks interesting. Apple makes privacy easy for me and the fam. No need to use 3rd party solutions to achieve an acceptable level of privacy. Mostly appreciate the Advanced data protection stuff.
You can pry open an android easily. iOS is the most difficult.
Not impossible though.
I use both 😅
I think you will have a lot more hard time making this video in 6 months since EU version of iOS will have 3rd party app stores, different engines etc. I mean hard time because you will have to start separating iOS EU version with the rest of the world. :D
Only one objection, Android updates for Pixel and I think Samsung as well said for 7 years? but that leaves a very huge portion of the cheap phones that are other vendors. That will always be an iffy situation.
Last I would like to hear more about the part at 1:46 on why iOS does not allow those features, not sure if it is an apple limitation or an actual development limitation, but I think it would be interesting as an added info
Hmmm...
This brings up a very good question:
I wonder if there will be RUclips channels going forward, dedicated to Apple in the EU.
In fact, the worst thing on that all is that you have to choose between iOS and Android, because they are both bad. In different ways, but still bad. And even worse is the fact, that big OSes (like what runs on your PC) are slowly implementing all that bad things, because people are used to that from cell phones and tablets.
i love both systems i have iphone 14 pro max and samsung s24 ultra, but as a main phone i use iphone for ecosystem and other security and privacy things, i love my android phone but i think i am going to sell it bcs i just like ios a bit more.
This kinda wants me to switch to iOS because of their encryption.
Interesting review. In my opinion Android updates from Samsung were not working well. I bought a new tablet and could not get new android OS updates because Samsung didn't released for that specific chipset/model. Very disappointed. While Apple even on older iphone 6 was providing updates.
I use android after debloating it with ADB
I can’t give up imessage and facetime and all of the apple privacy security features which is keeping me on IOS. Android will never be able to match apple security because again android is open source while apple is a wall garden. Also mainstream apps just work better on IOS even new mainstream games for mobile is 99.9% always released on ios first. I refuse to use android where my data is not protected. Remember people your phone is literally the most valuable thing in the world because it holds all of ur personal info.
In short, Android for sophisticated people who know exactly what they are doing and want to do those sophisticated things. iPhone is for everyone, especially those dumb people who don’t know what phone security cyber security is, which unfortunately includes me…
I'm sorry but the iPhone drawbacks are not worth it....
because I'm on linux i can only use android because for ios i need itunes & that is not on linux FYI i know you can in wine
I have picked Android for the amount of control you get with it I do wish there were other options though as even android can be somewhat limiting. For example a lot of apps lose functionality the second you rood the device like having root control all the sudden makes it less secure. What it really means is that you as the user have the control and can grant control to other applications as desired where as on an unrooted device google is the one with the control and apps like banking trust google a lot more than they trust the user. Unfortunately they can be right but personally I would still prefer to have that control myself. I will say that if you are not willing to take the time to harden android you are probably better off with ios as google tries to spy on you as much as possible by default.
Once you spend time on more meaningful things like self hosting and contributing to the open source community, you won't spend time on those tiny device customization bullshit
@@呀咧呀咧 Um this is a pretty stupid take. Just because I self host and contribute to the open source community doesn't mean that I don't have a phone. I would use a linux phone but they are incredibly limiting in their current iterations. Who knows. Maybe valve will come out with a linux phone too and save those as well.
Apple Maps iMessage FaceTime are the only things that are keeping me on a iPhone
What's better about these apps then their android counterparts exactly. Because I'm pretty happy with my messaging app (textra, though I'm sure by this point stock messages is comparable) , my video chat app (google meet) and my navigation app (Google maps) .
@@chrisphace420Apple Maps claims not to store or save your location on their servers to my understanding
had a chance to use apple maps in a car recently... I thought android auto is annoying, but this ios thingy would be a crap even in 2007... o_O I just couln't bare how bad the UI is
Android is the best
From MIUI to Nusantara,CorvusOS then LineageOS
Magisk Module for GAMING
Lsposed additional module
Root needed apps 👌
FKM adjusting CPU and GPU clock speed
Modding apps👌
Btw, how about HarmonyOS by Huawei? I haven't used it but I'm curious about it, is it worth it?
Android phones force some apps can’t be uninstalled only disable
I have an iPhone 15 pro max and an S24 ultra and love both. I agree with most of what you said, but i think apps on iOS run and look better than android.
So, This video or content is not meant for average user but for people who are into tech. If that is not the case, then you're in a bubble.
That iPhone ecosystem is a cybersecurity savings grace. No malware. No bugs or worms. SIEM accounts…mfa…encryption…just good on security hardening.
So like Graphene OS but proprietary and easily swayed by governments to do whatever they want?
Quality over quantity. Apple wins hands down. Period.
Always well said ❤😂😊
Apple’s chips in the newer iPhones pass data thru the phone before going thru the software called E2E encryption. Not secure. Google’s tensor chips do the same. Privacy is gone unless you move off the grid. Keep digging.
Thanks to the DMA, could RUclips channels now be segmented between European Union Tech Channels vs um, everywhere else?
Hmmm...
More Apps Better Apps
I had to switch back to IOS just because i couldn't see the ugly app interfaces and app optimization on android.
Yeah, as much as I want to like android… they have cool phones like the nothing phone - but a lot of the apps are just ugly and not optimized, and therefore laggy und buggy. It’s awful.
btw you didnt mention that android is open source unlike ios and most of the ios options your mentioned are just what Apple claims to do, you cant really check if its bullet proof or not
Get rid of over-priced and under-powered CrApple devices. Android and Linux FTW!!!
You're kinda cute
Bro finally cracked the algorithm
Androids need to be replaced every two years. Apple higher quality phone plus e2e encryption 🎉
The best way to socially alienate yourself is to be on android. No imessage 😂 oh what. You want everyone to use WhatsApp and messenger and pass all of your now compressed photo and video through Facebook. Yeah nah. Some of the largest software development companies, and organizations in the world all utilize iOS to manage secure deployment and management of devices.
For the user, what software is going to be better. One that’s designed to run on 20-30 devices with similar hardware layouts…. or software that has to run on a million different screen sizes, resolutions, ram, button layouts, speaker configurations, cameras etc. Android will NEVER have the edge.
Money
When apple stuff is end-to-end encryption, one end is the phone, what is the other end. What I am asking, is if Apple has zero knowledge.
ADP by itself makes iOS objectively superior than any Android device. Apple also collects dramatically less data than google, although it isn’t zero. FaceID is both easier to use and more secure than Touch ID by far.
Excluding flashing grapheneOS, there’s no reason to use Android for people who care about privacy & security. Apple is superior in that regard. Everything else is debatable and/or personal preference.
wHerE iS tHE vErDicT bRaH
At the end, clearly time stamped :)
@@techlore I mean, a question is not an answer :p
Choice & customisation are only android apple is for people who don't think & don't care or are only interested in the bragging/ fashion.
Tell me you haven't watched the video without telling me you haven't watched the video
@@mysteriousm1 i watched the video and i agree with him but i know it sounds weird for you because of your american tunnel vision and bias towards apple
One of the only things keeping me on iOS is ecosystem, and the fact that Windows (8, 10, 11), and all Linux flavors suck ass.