Epping Forest Horror: The Babes In The Wood Case | Murder Casebook | Real Crime
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- For twenty six years the public believed that two children found dead in Epping Forest in 1970 had died of exposure. Then in 1996 a convicted child murderer, Ronald Jebson, called police from Wakefield Prison.
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People who provide false alibis should face the same fate as the perpetrator . The law needs to be revised It's about time
Cheryl Moss
Totally agree with you.
Basically- aiding and abetting a criminal.
Then there areas in the US where the public- mostly Afro Americans-refuse to assist the police.
Simple answer to that?
Erect Billboards stating-
"The citizens of this district refuse to help the police"
" When you have a crime-do not call the police- we will not be attending"
The USA is rapidly heading for another Civil War- ln my opinion.
You are so Right ! Look how that monster repay them,_ Evil verse's Evil
The cops should have went hard on the people giving the alibi and given jail time too.
He should have never got out to start he was affending in his teens. Repeated and you can't fix them.
Yes! Aren't there supposed to be laws against perverting the course of justice?? And isn't that exactly what providing a false alibi is? 🤬
An adult man asults a child sexually, destroys child's life and only gets five year prison sentences and then they release him after two years.... What is wrong with these people? l really cant get it, l can't.
pretty soon it won't even be a crime.
That's the "justice" system for ya!
That's the British (un) justice system.
Shame on them.
These crimes happened in the 60's and 70's, sentences for paedophilia have increased in the last few years. Back then the laws were pretty lenient.
Because the people who are controlling the countries right now support criminals not the victims
This guy is my favorite new narrator, I recognize him from most evil series. He freaking kills it every time
Yes, when I hear his voice, it's a good docu! He is from the Kray brothers docu.
Been around 4 years..was in a kids show in the 80s called how
Kills it? Think that’s appropriate for such a video?
I heard him and was like “omg Worlds Most Evil Killers”! But I had no idea that’s what he looked like, I love him
Agreed! Fred Dinage has one of those voices that I could listen to all day...I could probably listen to him read a grocery list and enjoy it!
2yrs for assaulting a baby WTH! When are the laws going to take care of this...there's no cure there's no overcoming this . They don't change... they just learn how to be better at hiding it and manipulating the system!
Just get rid of them, as they say about dogs " put them to sleep"
@@thailandandisaanproperty312 how dare you don't compare such maniacs with innocent dogs i love dogs they are nice innocent kind mind your words and thoughts you are as evil as them pedophiles honestly.
They're well organised. That's why Robert Maudslay has been for 40 years in a glass cage underground watched 24/7 with no right to parole, demonized by the press as brains-eater cannibal: he k1lled 4 pa3dos and we must learn what happens when we touch them 🤬
Sex offenders should never be let out of prison, end of story.
How detectives can control themselves while listening to confessions like this is beyond me. I wouldn't be able to control myself and they'd never make it to trial.
It’s called professionalism. They wouldn’t let someone emotional be hired as a detective.
Yes! Watch the RUclips video where of police interviewing Harmony Montgomery's dad. I don't even know how they do it.
@@Garbeaux. It would still be a diffilcult job to face such filth because your'e human, not because you are emotional.
Right? Every adult that hurts a child should be left alone with a (demagorgan) monster for 5 minutes unmonitored.
Try being a lawyer defending them… the driving force is to ensure they get correct legal representation so that they CAN’T appeal their sentence. It doesn’t really hit you until you have your own children. And then you can either cut it or you can’t. If you can’t, you have to walk away and get therapy….
Lots of therapy. For a long time. 😐
Change their behavior? Sure, keep them locked up
Exactly James…
That poor mom and brother. Breaks my heart what they went through 💔 Rest in Peace to the little children. So sad😓
First time seeing this show. Probably the *best English true crime production I've ever watched.* Magnificent. Both the host and the criminologist are unusually well cut out to make the cases and storytelling captivating and highly interesting. Can't wait for the next episode.
Seeing Frank & Beryl Hanlon's faces just absolutely broke my heart: the years upon years of pain and torment is just SO clearly engraved on their faces. I honestly can't even imagine how they get up each day and keep going. I truly hope that they're able to find some measure of healing and peace...they sure as hell deserve it!
May the memory of those poor children be a blessing to all who knew and loved them. 💔
😢 heart breaking I've lost my son and after 22yrs its still unbearable you never get over you just try to live with it
@@catherinepraus8635 I’m so sorry for your loss. ❤
Absolutely. i feel so deeply sad for them. And for the surviving woman. It is incredible how much harm one person can do to the lives of other people.
OMG! God bless all the people (families, victims,...) that were interviewed in this documentary. It must've been very tough! Sending you Lots of Love, Strength and Peace.
All these ladies are so strong to tell their stories. Hopefully one day we’ll never have to deal with this again
He should not have been out of prison to kill those children, after sexually assaulting the first child. It makes no sense.
They do the same crap now!!!! Most cases like psychopaths, the pedophile cannot be rehabilitated. And anything under 18 is still a minor child. Every state. Every one. Fight to make pedophiles and child killer rapists mandatory 111 yrs in prison. No parole. There are 3 kinds of pedophiles. The ones that know they are and havent acted. Those that know and have acted and those that know and havent been caught yet. 111 yr sentencing and the age of consent laws need to be revised to stop permitting parents to marry off their minor children to grown 40 and 50 yr olds. That is knowledgeable trafficking at best. Either 111 years no parole or public execution. Im good w either.
It happens all the time. They're well organised. That's why Robert Maudslay has been for 40 years in a glass cage underground watched 24/7 with no right to parole, demonized by the press as brains-eater cannibal: he k1lled 4 pa3dos and we must learn what happens when we touch them 🤬, don't we?
two dead children buried in the woods is NO ACCIDENT. what kind of medical examiner records that in this instance.
It is unbelievable. Had I been one of the parents and had my child assaulted by a predator who had been released twice from prison. What is wrong with this system. Two years for assault on a five year old. Five years for a second assault. But, oh I forgot the UK believes in rehabilitation. Doesn’t matter how many kids get hurt he gets let out. I would be furious.
Hmmm, until one of their own get targeted... Then they sing another tune...
Looking at that pic of Ronald Jebson, you can just see what a creep he is. It's just stamped on his features: "I'm A Creep!"
Ronald is so cute!
@@sauce1232 Yeah right 🤮
@@sauce1232 I hope you're kidding 🤢🤮
Everything about Prof Wilson is awesome. Your man is a proper legend 🙂 anything he’s in, I watch. I like his way of imparting information. And he’s got a great voice.
A great presenter with a great expert.
Great doco. This is the standard all should aim for. Excellent work
How in the world they said it was an accident? They were buried in a shallow grave in the woods! What? They fell into a hole and somebody covers the grave!. I always considers England have good detective, but in this case the did a bad judgement.
Exactly Irma what a load of rubbish!
Right?? It's like how the police initially said that one of Colin Ireland's victims had perished as the result of "accidental death," when he was discovered strangled and tied to a bed! 🙄
I lived across the hall from a guy that was arrested for having thousand of images of child porn as well as being part of a ring that distributed such filth. My son was about 13 at the time. Probably too old for that creep. I had left fairly early and my son woke to the cops, State Police, FBI and who knows who else knocking on our door. They wanted him to wait outside in case they had any difficulty. They used a battering ram to get in. As far as I know he’s in the Fed Pen in Pennsylvania.
Thank goodness he's in prison.
How long ago was this incident?
Every person in every state needs to fight for mandatory life sentencing for dna convicted and or peddlers of pedophilia materials as well as 111 yr sentencing for child rapists and pedophiles. The leniency is disgusting. All accomplices either not reporting or having knowledge of the crimes too. Mandatory life sentences. It only stops if they drop or they are forever locked away.
Ugh!
I found out a few years ago that a guy who was in my childhood Sunday School class is currently serving a very long sentence for CSA and CP. Gives me chills just thinking of how I sat next to him every Sunday for years! 😣🫣🤢
Also, I'm just glad to hear that he was caught and locked away! Whew!
@@nani.9754 About 2012. He is in Federal prison for 20+ years.
The judicial system is strange, you have people in jail for longer times for less horrible crimes. I don't believe a paedopiile can be reformed. They get short sentences for literally traumatising someone else for life, and in many cases like serial killer they escalate in their crimes. This guy has more victims to his name, that I am sure about.
Those guys are well organised. That's why Robert Maudslay has been for 40 years in a glass cage underground watched 24/7 with no right to parole, demonized by the press as brains-eater cannibal: he k1lled 4 pa3dos and we must learn what happens when we touch them 🤬
Well said! "Just one [child killed] is one too many"
How many paedophiles since the 90’s until today were helped in the prison and stopped hurting children? I don’t believe pardophiles can be helped, therefore they should be locked for a long long time, or castrated.
They can't be helped. These groups that advocate for them are lying & people believe them because they're not able to comprehend that they're just talking in circles & throwing a lot of words at them. Castration doesn't help. Those that are chemically castrated still try. In the early years of the U.S., crimes against children would get someone sentenced to death, even if the child lived. It's strange how we're not taught these truths.
@@curiouser-and-curiouser - True. The Europeans don’t understand that when a child is raped her/his life drastically changed for the worse, it’s almost getting a life sentence, but yet the children rapists (pedophiles) are getting psychological sessions that don’t help, getting food and medical treatment and are out after only 5 years at the most, and the psychologists tape on their own shoulders and say they are cured, and they should be released. They are not cured they just learn different ways how not to get caught in the future, they can’t stop their urge to rape children.
If you Google about them you only find all kind of excuses and support for them to say many just fantasizing of having sex with children but do not act on it, this BS is the political correctness of the left who are trying to group the pedophile as victims.
involuntary euthanasia
I think it is criminal to release these predators from prison; ESPECIALLY without any attempts to rehabilitate them (if this is even possible) and without ongoing supervision. These people are not to be trusted.
Oh, they can be trusted ... after shot in the balls ...
Pedophiles should NEVER be released!
#Castration
Jeez! Kills their daughter then tries to blame his crime on them, as well? What a scuzz.
5 years?! I have a wood chipper...
I’ll never stop being angry about short sentences these trash fires get for crimes against children, especially sexual.
The people who gave him the alibi should have got the 2 to 5 years
I was wondering how does British law is so weak. Only charge him 5 years for his bloody crimes.
Recognized this narrator’s voice right away.,Didn’t know his name is Peter Dinenage. Doesn’t look how I imagined him. Love him! 💕 What a tragic case. Those poor children and their families. This guy is beyond evil.
Peter?! His name is Fred lol
@@MizzMetallikat76 thanks for the correction.
@@MizzMetallikat76 thanks for the correction.
UK 🇬🇧 needs a magical chair called sparky that returns crimes like this back to the toy maker.
l don't believe in the death penalty, however, for these horrific crimes, l would cross the fence. To commit these particular crimes they should be put to death.
Nah, death penalty is the easy way out. Let them suffer horribly for a very long time instead
@@emquinn6899 Normally l would agree with you 99.99999% of the time, however, being a mother and a grandmother a rage automatically consumes me, especially after watching that video. Upon reflection, l know l would pull back from that once, my logic returned and, allow them to suffer "Jailhouse Justice" for the rest of their lives. xx
@@thesorrentosmoon4693 I get that, I am a mom as well, I think I would take things into my own hands if someone hurt my boy
@Real Aiglon l will own it, in the moment of writing it, l was emotionally charged and outraged. However, there is a caveat, life without the possibility of parole stamped on their conviction. That would be the only thing l would accept for such erroneous crimes. xx
You can try to rehabilitate them with no luck..set them free they will reoffend.. how many times will you let them out to harm another child.. get them off the streets , lock them up and NEVER let them out.
and what else did he do in that 28 years?
Terrible case! Great seeing Prof. Wilson. He is very well known here in New Zealand...RIP babies
I am glad that he got caught finally. He was a nasty man.
Who cares if they get rehabilitation in prison, jebson should have NEVER been released after his first offense. They should happily spend the rest of their life behind bars, knowing that's what they deserve. Only spiritual help while in there to maybe save their eternal soul and if that is effective they should realize their life punishment is just
I don't know what universe I lived in but I hadn't heard of paedophilia until I was fifty Twenty years ago.
That's because most paedophilia acts are committed within families, family friends, etc & no one talked about it due to shame. I'm glad people are talking about it now. The victims have nothing to be ashamed of & our society is getting better at understanding these kinds of crimes, the dynamics within them, & supporting victims.
WOW 😲😲😲
Amazing they interviewed 15,000!! Why so many? Such a sad case.
Ineptitude.
Desperate
This was back in 1970, no computers or internet to help screen out or find people, they would have gone door to door talking to all the neighbourhood.
Yeah thats crazy so many didgey men out there !
One thing I would cling to, would be how my little brother fought to try and protect that little girl.
It is not easy to shared this incident happened, this is helpful to us to know and to aware all the families and parents on their children. May God bless all the team on this real crime. It's sad and no words can explain the feeling of the people in here. More power.
FFS no detective picked up on the fact that Rosemary's parents were his alibi for the other murders. Staggering incompetence.
Why wasn't he still in jail from the 6yr old and a 12yr old boy and he was out to question then they believed him what is so wrong with this. Do they do any better now in that county.
He was convinced as a teen also for assaulting kids WTF
That was horrible,😱
No support in prison is the reason they reoffend? I beg to differ, you can't change someone's sexual preferences.
Wonderful documentary 💯
5 years for hurting a child unreal
Too bad he didn't get convicted in Texas cause they'd have sent him to zero BP and straight back to hell most Ricky Tic
Weather they get life or death people that seriously hurt and kill children and serial killers and serial rapists, should go to a special prisons with hard labour, chain gangs, zero privileges like TV, commissary, regular visits ect and have little contact with others outside of when there chained together doing hard labour in the hot sun. If they get three meals, paid jobs to buy whatever they want, calls and visits everyday including sometimes conjugal visits, TV, free socialising inside prison, ect then they aren't suffering anything like the victims and their families have. Maybe if they knew this would automatically be their punishment it might deter some of them from doing it, otherwise it would be clear that they have given up those rights by committing the most heinous of crimes. Those that are eventually released would be far less likely to reoffend. I'm not saying we should deny them food, safety, or medical but just the comforts that I don't believe they deserve. If it only saves a few lives then it's still worth it. Once you've gotten used to the fact that you aren't free to leave, prison usually has most of the things that you enjoy on the outside just all in the one location, and to a more basic degree.
They are housed together in prisons and they learn a lot between them about how to groom victims.
They SHOULD NEVER be housed together. It is a protected holiday camp for them where they learn "skills".
They should be put in segregation.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
I think you may have a head injury you might wanna get checked out.
@@curiouser-and-curiouser 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@curiouser-and-curiouser why would you say that? I never have been able to understand why people never can say something nice and supportive to your fellow man. It's just very mean and totally unnecessary.
How can two children buried in the woods be an ACCIDENTAL! Healing to the families, may the children rest peacefully..
The justice for earlier crimes is absurd as is the children's deaths being labeled accidental.
molto bello questo documento. orrendi i crimini.
I’m sorry…if you do these disgusting things to a child…the sentence should be far longer than what these sick individuals get…but no…they just keep letting them out!! As they did with this animal…had they locked him up and thrown away the key the first time those poor children would still be alive…may they Rest In Peace ❤
We do not take violent sexual offenses of children or women seriously until the offender kills, sometimes more than once. Shame on us.
There is a babes in the wood case here In Vancouver Canada- Two kids deceased bodies were found and the killer was never caught
May they Rest In Peace May their families and friends find healing and peace May the evil who did this rot in their own skin
What can be done to change sex offenders? I don’t think there is anything.
No, there isn't anything that has proven to be able to change a sexual template like that.
6 foot of rope works wonders.
Castration and a brain lobotomy!!
involuntary euthanasia
Death
Note :suzan mum said the only animal that can remove suzan bra, is a Human animal -yes that’s Right mam 😀
What an utter monster.
I goes VERY IRRITATED when the person who is presenting a case tells the same thing over and over again !!!
Why do they do that ? 😡 we ain’t stupid….
At 33:58 he said it 8 times 😩😩😩
"on average" it HAPPENS EEEEVVVEERRRYYYWHERE
How do you legally search 4000 home's?
Why do they let these monsters out ,surely they must realise by now that they will keep killing
No one who molests a child should ever see the light of day again. You can not fix that kind of broken. If you let them out, they will do it again! 🤬
They are not humans but worse than animals!
Boggles the mind how people can be so damn naïve.
Why would you want to offer help to pedophiles and rapists when clearly they are not 'fixable' no matter how much therapy/help is offered. Lock them up for good only doctors and parole boards convince themselves these criminals won't reoffend again - yeh right!
It's not hard to figure out why some kill. Some do it as dead victims cannot identify you later on. Some do it as a form of twisted possession. Some do it just because they can.
6 a year for the uk population is horrendous
I know from my own experience. Monster like that don’t change he told me. He couldn’t change the way he felt about young children because it’s just like being looking at grown woman didn’t do anything for him but he couldn’t help but like young children and if he couldn’t get a girl he would take a small boy. He liked what he like and it couldn’t be change and that’s the way it is. He’s passed now god rest his soul I know I couldn’t take more of him being around and hurting all of us I hope you guys understand thank you
I did send him to prison for over 20 years but he was still the same as he was going in when he came out
You can't change them.Its who they are.They are predators and will.keepnon offending
I thought he was saying FN forest!
They are focus more on solution not in prevention
The police enquires seem to have been lacking at the time of questioning his alibi.
i dont quite get where the murder of his "friends" daughter fitted in here.. was it before, after, same time? did he get arrested or charged with that murder??
He murdered the friends daughter 4 years after (in 1974) the babes in the wood, he was serving a life sentence for that murder when he confessed (in 1998) to the other murders. He was then convicted of the babes in the wood murders as well.
I don't understand why profiles get out jail still having balls! (Literary)
What’s going on with the justice for these children and families? these are the ones getting life! Build more prison god knows people need the work, more police and more knowledge given to families about what’s out in the world of sh$ty people.. It’s nuts … these families of these inhumane people need a lesson on how to bring up a child, how to look for sighs of bad behaviour before they outgrow you! F…. I’m so sick of this..🤢
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Detectives are like yes... Yes wolves, raccoons, foxes, rats have fetishes for girls undercloths. Took them off, folded them, and took some for souvenirs....
How can these detectives interview these men who do that to children. I think they should be put in a room no camera and the truth kicked out of them. Sorry for being so blunt but I know that is what they need to do. Not listen to all that. To make them feel sick and nightmares. I know I am blunt but he did confess after thirty years.
Wow😮❤️
I say the mom killed both children one was her and the other one was not
Well, as the gentleman said, in the US the numbers are far bigger...they are sh*t crazy!
It’s not our fault that plate tectonics decided to give us FLORIDA honestly……. Lolololol 🤷🏻♀️🤣🌴😵💫
@@lovelyjanuary lol 😂😂 true!
This father allows a child predator to live with hom and he has children. Wtf abd that guy working in the prison system saying in the 70's we didnt do anuthing with the prisoner sex offenders does he think they are rehabbed now? NOPE
@@annasbandit yeah here too but child sex predators have the least success in rehabilitation so i think tjey shoukd be kept incarcerated
Hoi ik ben van Nederland Wat een Goede video, s maken jullie Top Thanxx
Lieve Groetjes uit NL Nederland
Groetjes
Cut off their bawbag hahaha.
I did send him to prison but he never changed
No crime of violence is done by strangers.
💯 percent WRONG
What sorta ignorant fucking comment is that!?
I'm very curious. I know if a mother abuses drugs and alcohol during pregnancy, does a father doing the same abusive behaviour at conception, damage the sperm cells?
If it does, the effects are negligible bc damaged sperm cells would never fertilize the egg.
@@Garbeaux. aha. Stands to reason. Thanks😊
@@sophiamarquiselaborate?
Declan... Dude. Spit it out.
💰💰💰💰🏦
Isn't it amazing how many perpetrators of violent crimes get their training in the Military? I know a way to get people never to reoffend. Tie them down and listen to David Wilson. Of course there may be a few casualties and many with intestinal distress but they will never be back in prison. Anything to not have to listen to that narcissist ramble.
How many?
Sometimes struggles are exactly what we need in our life. If we were to go through our life without any obstacles, we would be crippled. We would not be as strong as what we could have been. Give every opportunity a chance, leave no room for regrets
Sounds like you are excusing this behaviour.
Nope
Babbling fool.
What an insane comment considering subject of this video. Surely you're not implying these murders were good so people could have struggle in their life.
This is not an ”obstacle”, apart from being murdered, if they had survived, they had suffered a major trauma that would affect their whole life.
Why are they referred to as "babes" ? They were 11 & 12.
Still babes
In many countries babes is used as a shortened form of babies
babe in the woods
phrase of babe
an innocent or naive person, especially one in a difficult or dangerous environment.
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:( this makes me really sad
Unfortunately the UK has a pathetic judiciary and inept sentences, I'm beginning to think time for the community to dish out justice
And you'd be put to prison...
If you think the UK system is inept just view the USA system, it's also garbage!