Could 15-Year-Old Harold Jones Be The Infamous Jack the Stripper? | Murder Casebook | Real Crime
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- At just 15, Harold Jones was too young to hang for murder in 1921. Could he have become notorious 60s serial killer Jack the Stripper? Fred Dinenage investigates.
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A close-knit community where everyone looked after each other....but none of the several people who heard her screams as she was bashed to death did anything
reminds me of the woman who was being murdered in NY city I believe in the 60's. there was a whole bunch of people living in a building hearing screaming and nobody did nothing?? they would say I thought someone else called the police? People are scared or don't want to be involved. personally I'd be outside so quickly to see what the screaming was about and I would have called the police. People need to realize screaming in the shed isn't normal or like that NY city woman screaming in the night after work..
I wish I could remember her name.
@@dougiedug Kitty Genovese. May she rest in peace.
@@maxalberts2003 thank you!!! That was awful and those cowards I people have to live with themselves. ty
Shades of the Kitty Genovese murder!
Fake. Made up story.
I've heard of Jack the Ripper but Jack the Stripper had me intrigued.....
whuahaha
😆
London, 50's and 60s I think
Ffs hahshshaha
I thought it was just the name of a Black Sabbath song lol
The foulest individuals encountered can be the cleanest, most well dressed with a nice car and home …. but then on a dime turn on you to assault you. ☠️
Some would call them politicians...
Narcissistic
police
@@funkyfiss Even though you may be speaking in gest I find that your comment is very unfair. Many politicians are very kind and generous and hard working. A few bad apples but that is what elections are for. Evil knows no particular group of people but is found interspersed in the general population.
@@vernonfrance2974 I believe that the bad apples at the moment exceed the good ones. Yes there are some good ones out there but they are definitely outnumbered by the corrupt greedy ones for sure.
I don't care if he was 16 and a 'child'. I knew right from wrong at a young age (I assume most normal people do). We all do stupid things, but murder? Also, the way it was committed makes this an extremely serious crime. Child or not, he should definitely have gotten more than 20 years smh!!
16 isn't a child. Childhood ends around 12-13
There’s quite a difference between knowing right from wrong and having a brain developed enough to have full self-control and to fully understand the consequences. Your brain doesn’t finish developing until you’re 25. There is a huge difference between 15-16 and legal adulthood at 18.
“assuming … normal”
Shame, surviving for four hour's before passing away.
She must have been so scared, 8 year's old. Breaks my heart
...and her mum and dad were devastated
His 1st murder seemed awfully brutal for someone who hasn't done anything like that before...
Indeed, and kind of intentional and decisive as well.
Bet he's done it to animals first..
I think he was a bully and had behavior that was such that the second girl definitely felt he was the killer of the first girl.
Oh yeah I guarantee he killed more
14 year old Aidan Fucci stabbed his 13 year old victim over 112 times. It does happen.
I guessed “Smile Lines”was the ex-con straightaway… As for Harold, we as humans still have a hard time believing a young person could commit such a heinous crime, even to this day. We’ve seen it a thousand times, the world over. Every once in a while we need convincing a woman could commit certain crimes too.
Absolutely. When it comes to heinous crimes & homicide -- nothing is new under the sun. "Each generation maligns it's own, but people have always been this way."
Fake made up story.
Yes-as soon as they walked up to old “Smiles Lines” I had a terrible feeling wash over me. Really terrible. I think that is what they call a woman’s intuition. Always listen to your gut feeling.
I'm still horryfied about the James bulger case.
@@maryannebrown2385 We don't know he's done anything so awful. Maybe he sold drugs or stole some money or took a joyride in someone's car as a lad. "Criminal record" doesn't always mean "violent". There are loads of criminal offenses, some of them even with serious jail time, that don't involve violence.
Very interesting--and tragic case. How sad that the little girl, Florence paid for her spot-on deduction with her life. So awful that he wasn't kept in prison for life. Such a person should never be free.
He died in 1971 of bone cancer. I’d say karma got him in the end but justice never was done to do more to stop him.
@@williamleewolverine 15 at 1920 , 76 at 1971. That's a long life.
Millions of much younger good people die yearly of cancer too.
How would a stranger in town know where the storage shed was and gain access to it when only the killer had a key and it was locked? Would a stranger risk being seen with the child walking her through the streets of a close knit community looking for a place to assault her? Didn't the jury or the lawyers ask these questions?
Fake story, made up.
Jack the Srtipper worked in the feed store and was privy to the storage area where bags and bags of feed intended for innocent chickens, rabbits, goats and sheep and other kind and gentle animals would soon encounter a fate not unlike that of the sweet innocent little, red caped Freda😪.
How stupid can a mob be...still defending this killer even after the 2nd murder of a girl found in his bloody house!
There will always be people who defend a killer, even the likes of Ted Bundy and Shipman! They never believe the person 'they' knew could do these horrible things.
@@janetpendlebury6808Do you know that young girls fantasize about serial killers? Even Bonnie and Clyde are romanticized. They were killers.
Probably would have defended jack the ripper as a nice bloke
Two questions:-
1) Was he buried or cremated? If buried is there a chance that DNA can be retrieved? (his daughter, if still alive, could furnish her DNA)
2) Was any DNA recovered from the six 1964/5 Hammersmith murders in order to make a comparison?
highly unlikely. a corpse from 1948 was exhumed in australia last year, and no DNA was able to be retrieved.
they only managed to ID him from hairs stuck in a death mask made before burial
My thoughts as well. Here in the states several very old cases have been solved by dna.
Yeah hope they can find the daughter.
Forensic evidence gathered at the time is believed to have been destroyed or lost.
@@earnold1896 DNA evidence still existing from the 60's is pretty rare. Idk what the UK is like but here in the US there's such a backlog of DNA for active cases, that spending public resources on testing would be a slap in the face to current victims and the public.
He's So Heartless, and Cold-blooded, and at 15 years old!!! Terrifying! Prayers for his Victims!!💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️
Surprised? We have teens now killing each other in the streets so I'm not surpassed at all.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living God! And God Hates Sin! He has not escaped Justice...
Good to see even in the 1920's people REFUSED to take action when they heard a young girl screaming !!!!!!!
It is helpful to understand that at common law there is no legal duty to intervene or assist another person. Some jurisdictions have passed legislation creating such a duty, but this definitely did not exist in the 1920s.
@@williamharris8367regardless of the law, where’s their humanity?
These poor girls and I cannot believe how the people of the town supported Harold and threatened the police. He should have never been released from prison. He's a total fraud and psychopath. He manipulated everyone.
Fred has obviously lived a charmed life. I picked the right naughty person as soon as I saw him. The younger woman was the only other one that even faintly roused my suspicion and I suspect that means she may have had some trauma in her background. I grew up in a family of ner-do-wells and they all have lovely laugh lines and are quick with a joke and kind, shirt-off-your-back folks until you know them or you cross them or they want something from you. But what really gave it away was if you watch him when the guy is describing him, look at his eyes and you'll see his tell. If you blink you'll miss it, but it's there. 19:00 as he registers the opinion of him as a "nice, happy-go-lucky fellah," he looks up and to his left. Such a small thing you would never see in a noisy courtroom full of people but it's what gave him away to me here.
Nice one!
He might, of course, be being deliberately obtuse to make us feel smart for picking the right one, but you never know.
I read it as Ripper at first, but then after reading it again I thought: "Why do that sounds like I have heard it before?" Now I just need to know.
It's Beyond Scary he got Acquitted! Very Disturbing!! He fooled a whole town!
Whenever I hear a child or children screaming, I run and look to see what's happening and help if needed. I do the same for dogs yelping as well. I have no problem at all calling animal protection to report abused animals. It's our duty as caring adults to look out for innocent kids and animals. How does someone ignore their desperate cries for your help? I cannot ignore such cries, sorry. If I can help save a child or animal, I'm going to do so.
Me too.
Yup. Me three. When I was a child, my parents were adamant that we kids not scream at play. They wanted to know such sounds were worth them to come running.
We need to deal with the crime, not the person who commits it. A murder is a murder. It doesn’t matter the age of the perpetrator. It’s the crime that matters. If found guilty, then it might be appropriate to take into account any extenuating circumstances in deciding a punishment. Age does not alter the fact of murder, or robbery, or rape. The crime is a crime. Then we should consider family upbringing, age, indeed all relevant circumstances but only in relation to sentencing. Redress available to the law must include the softest sentence right up to the death penalty (if that’s what the community desires). The fundamental is that every alleged criminal must be tried in a single court (no children’s courts any more, just criminal court) where a crime can be understood, and redressed. I’m sick of the argument that young people are unable to distinguish between right and wrong. Utter rubbish, discredited by numerous examples of young offenders who deserve to be tried as criminals…not as children or adults… but as criminals. Then consider the impact and the causes when sentencing.
I agree.
You can grow yp in a bad family and still not be a murder...
@@karentucker2161 Point very well made, Karen. Millions of us do grow up in what one might describe as ‘not normal’ families (despite it’s being almost impossible to describe a normal family with any significant granularity). Millions of us choose nevertheless to live as ordinary citizens who by and large obey the laws, rules, norms and customs of the community in which we live.
He don't look like a kid. He looks like a mob boss. And that town was a willing participant to be the mob that protected this monster, getting absolutely nothing for themselves
It's official!!
Never naming my kid Jack or befriending any Jacks. Jack the ripper and now Jack the stripper? Who knows how many more Jack the.... we have.
🤣🤣🤣
Jack Meoff
My stupid dog's name is Jack ....
Around these parts he's known as jack the sniffer .
But also is a murderer of other animals . One doesn't choose to be a jack , the jack chooses to be you .
@@Theirtherethere. lmao Jack the Sniffer
@@Theirtherethere. Great💀
One more known jack to the list.
Hahah iknew it was first guy he was smiling too aggresively
Con man smile. Looked calculating to me. Me being female. Off putting.
Why do people keep thinking this is Jack the Ripper? It's not. It's Jack the Stripper. This is not even in the same country as Jack the Ripper. Google it.
Because people are stupid.
He was in the same country, both operated in London, one in Whitechapel the other in Hammersmith.
🥀🥀🥀🥀💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️ Prayers for Florence. They were Innocent, Lovely Young Girls. I can't imagine the Terror they each felt!
jack the ripper no. jack the stripper yes.
I thought of a male stripper on stage at first😮
I ♥️ this series with Lecturer (Professor) David Wilson! He is succinct and informative as to how the mind of a killer works.
Poor Little Freda!💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️
At 15 he looked like he was 35.
Guilty because of that alone!
@@Komediennekymd2009😂😂😂
I have nothing in black and white to prove what I’m about to say, it’s just a feeling. I have the instinct that he has a trauma history we don’t know about. Not excusing anything at all, I just have that feeling. We don’t know much whatsoever about his upbringing and I like to know about a persons past in detail, especially their upbringing.
Very likely, and we just don’t know about it because nobody wanted to hear about it and he kept his history a secret on purpose. His sexual deviance at such a young age suggests sexual abuse during his youth, at least. As always, it’s not an excuse, but is a partial explanation.
These older murder cases are fascinating, viewed through our modern forensic lense. And yes, it's all too true that children kill, often in the cruelest ways.
I really enjoyed learning about this old case. Thank you!
Hello, and Thank You for the video! I never knew there was a Jack The Stripper! Happy Holidays!
15 yrs old a hundred yrs ago isn't todays 15 yr olds... in short? He's no boy
Great vid
How did he not get blood on him??
Maybe that's where "the stripper" comes in.👍🤣
I think he looks shifty as heck ,plus that creepy way he holds his hands -you can almost always tell from the hands
Is there a record of a witness that heard Florence tell him that she knows he killed Frieda?
I don't think she would have went into his house , knowing she thought he was guilty
Murder of a child has gone from being extremely rare to a common event in about 100 years. What caused this?
Darwinian pseudo science & planned parenthood 😢😢😢
Better reporting and larger population
It’s actually gone down massively from 100-200 years ago.
There are lots of innocent looking people that commit crimes and are not suspected they are usually friendly because I know some. I was looked as a criminal but never did anything.
Good Lord, ppl are confused as to Jack the Ripper 1880s m rders, and this totally different Jack the Stripper ones, in the 1920s. And neither of them were actually named Jack, that name is just used as a catch-all term for a man or boy. Like Americans say John Doe or Joe Blow for the average man.
Harold would have made a great politician!
Or lawyer, or church minister.
@@takohamoolsen2486 Many of the people in all those professions are psychopath's, they go in for those jobs, and those in the financial sectors, as they are ruthless and do very well.
Excellent! Thank you.
I. sure love this podcast The men that talk about it the crimes r so smart and have good opinions of the crime and the criminal themselves
In the thumbnail of this story shows him standing with arms at odd angles.
And his hands were so oddly large.
So are Jack the ripper and Jack the Stripper two different things?
Jacks need to calm down
Then there's Jack Mihoff
There’s also jack the strangler. London just isn’t very creative with serial killer names lol
Lol
Heywoods are always trouble. Like Heywood Jablomi.
Scottish knockoff?
I am really not sure if _i_ would classify a 15 year old as a child. I know _they are_ but that is probably because its so hard for the UN (?) drawing a line where childhood ends.
They are really not adults either so maybe we should have a sort of mid point to classify them as idk.
A 15 year old is a CHILD. They are not adults. It’s a teen child! The hell is wrong with you?
@@BeautyisHerName692 did you read it all?
Psychology won't diagnose a child as a psychopath but evidence suggests they are born. At Jones' level of sadism as a youth therapy would be useless. Glib charm, skilled acts of engagement in therapy, of a conscious or empathy would be masks behind which a narcissism would hide an inner world with only one care. Cowardice is an aspect that many misinterpret in psychopaths, cold & calculating in taking outlandish risks they'll avoid physical risk as best they can, the reports of crying in prison may well have been just another mask. If they join the army or police it's not for a fair fight it's to have power over others, that quite unlike others on the anti-social personality spectrum who can be impulsively violent at great risk to themselves.
In my career l had a couple of children in kindergarten that were devious, manipulative, no remorse, they are the same as adults. One is incarcerated l believe.
Spit in mouth? Is that what they called it back then?
I thought it was Jack The Ripper? (Not Stripper?)
I thought so too at first, but I looked it up and these are two different people - Jack the ripper was from the 19th century and killed approx. 6 prostitutes (possibly more). Jack the stripper is from the 20th century
@@lifestyle-lines
Thank you for the clarification!
There is a Jack the Ripper (1888) This is Jack the Stripper (1960) They we’re both in London so it’s just a play on words
He changed his profession lmao 🤣
This vid went WAY over your head. Anyone who couldn't recognize that Jack the Stripper was just a play on words from Ripper is beyond all hope. Must be useless making a pun or joke around you. You just wind up scratching your head. And you have people who agree with you!! So, so sad.
I'd say it baffles my mind that so many people would think 'Stripper' is supposed to be 'Ripper'...but I'd be lying. 😔
Social media had long stripped me of any last shred of hope I had for humanity 🧠🚫. I thought maybe I was wrong...but unfortunately...no.
Some people are like me and dyslexic so maybe they just saw it wrong, which is a common thing.
WHERE did the 100,000 who "packed the streets" for her funeral come from, considering that only 7,000 people lived in that town?
40,000 in the town.
You can’t work therapy on a psychopath..
Chris being called out for a criminal record when he was the one putting criminals away XD
So anyone could be a killer. Scary 😮
A hero's welcome AND a gold watch after he got off scot-free the first time? Talk about rewarding bad behaviour! No wonder he killed again.
What, he chose the guy who looks like Travis bickle as the lovable, happy guy??
He was a monster in human form 😮
He's Brazen, too! Very Scary!!
The original Eddie Haskell.
He was called jack the ___ripper
Jack the Stripper??? That puts a new ring on a horrendous case...
The carried him and gave him a watch for being acquitted??? Seems a bit much. And lovely to hear the blood curdling scream of a child and do ✨ nothing ✨
There are no coincidences when we are dealing with a serial killer... Mark that remark !!
I swear I thought that was a typo
I am a former teacher and my elementary school principal was imprisoned after being charged with sexual interference involving a young male student.I still can barely believe it because I knew the man and worked with him and trusted him.Yet he had to be guilty.
That’s your first mistake right there in saying that. You never truest know anyone, no matter how long you have known them and in what capacity. It is a true and unsettling fact of life.
If they never do harm, all the better, but you still never completely know anyone.
Jack the Stripper? Like... Magic Mike?
Jones looks like one of those Peaky Blinder dudes.
How could an 8 year old be expected to carry a 10 lb bag of anything, and another bag as well? Our parents used tos end us to the shop all the time in the early 1970s, but only to get a pack of cigarettes or an extra bottle of milk.
70s kid here too! I used to have to figure out how to carry three to 4 bags of groceries on my bike, filled with Soda bottles and milk, etc. I had a wagon and they probably did back then too.
Personally, I'd think depends upon era,how ppl brought up,what was expected of them,ect.
I'm also 70's " kid" grew up on my parents dairy farm. Was expected to work at 5 years old,started driving tractor,helped feed calves,ect.was stacking hay( 60#bales @10)
He never should've been released from prison!
@@markmullin4246 True. I think it just depends on parents or socialization. Kids have had to work, or expected to, until these last few decades from my perspective. I didn't grow up on a farm, but likewise I worked when I was young from the age of 4/5 as well (unpaid typical back then until I did my own babysitting thing at 9 but still did my other unpaid work jobs too). It's sad that I think groupthink ending up costing the lives of more innocent girls with this case. :0(
I guess farm girls had some serious muscles back then. I struggle so much with those giant bags of chicken feed, but our Amish supplier's kids throw them around like they are weightless.
@@SuMMeRFLi5 That would have been very hard for you. Back then we had meat and milk delivered. My mother went to local grocery stores in her car for everything else. This was before we had big supermarkets or shopping malls. Everything was local.
Jack the STRIPPER? Uh ….is there another infamous serial killing Jack I’ve somehow never heard of, or did the guy captioning this vid make a Freudian slip?
Jack the Ripper the original
Jack the stripper is another serial killer, also known as the Hammersmith nude murders. He killed 6 women in 1964/5.
@Beaudile it was a joke sweetie, do unbunch your knickers. Merry Christmas
@@wyzasukitan jfc, you aint gotta be so salty bruh 😭
He was out when he was only 35 years old and these two beautiful girls murdered and deprived if life.
We’ll done. Love your very fine channel
Be careful Jack will take his clothing off!
When a child was screaming no one seemed to care. But they all cared for one another 🙄
He only served 20 years for 2 murders ?! That's ridiculous!!
What about "Jack the flipper" ? He used to work at MacDonalds !
Very sad, the young evil killer was so young, even younger now (even back then).
OMG. That was my fathers name
Jack the Ripper was 19th century England. Jack the Stripper was 20th century Wales.
Jack the stripper did his killings in Hammersmith London.
Um no
Where The Hell Was Harold's Perants While Harold Was Killing Poor Florence ????
Oh I think that HH Holmes, fits more for JACK THE RIPPER. WITH ALL THE MURDERING THAT HE DID BACK AT HIS MURDER CASTLE, in the hidden drop floors that he had and among other things, the research documentary done on HH Holmes is just mind-blowing and it fits the profile for Jack the ripper.
Completely different murders, Letchmere fits the bill much more than Holmes.
It was very interesting, but the man who lived nearby was to me a much better fit. I believe he was a meat cutter. He used to walk back and forth to work that way.
This one is Jack the STRipper.
@@janetpendlebury6808 I don't think so. Jack the Ripper managed to be quiet on those cobblestone streets, because those are loud with the heavy shoes Letchmere would have worn. So the man who did it had to be stealthy, quick and able to cut them open to remove internal organs, in the dark...with no sound.
The only ones who would have had to know how to do that quickly would have been a field doctor or medic. Letchmere lived with his wife and children, so the letters show a single man sitting and drinking ginger beer at home. He wrote that he was using the blood as ink except it coagulated too quickly.
Jack the Ripper most likely did not wear shoes at all, to keep from being heard.
Have to admit I made Chris as a cop, maybe because I bet there had to be one, maybe because I was married to one! However this was an excellent presentation!
Hahaha Jack the Stripper coming for your $1's
LOL! Jack the Stripper!?! Haven't heard of this one before.
I picked the right person #1 criminal record 😇 I'm chuffed. God is truth 🙏
Seems odd that an eight-year-old girl would be asked to carry a ten pound bag of anything. That seems way too heavy.
How could someone marry him how could they ever feel comfortable around him? Even have a daughter with him?
That’s a question mental
Health provides ask all the time. It is sadly common as many serial
Killers are married, even when convicted and in jail and also when released .
Ripper was 75 years earlier
For anyone questioning why the villagers automatically assumed the murderer was a stranger, there are reasons why this wouldn't have been a completely daft assumption. In post WWI England, there lot of unhoused wandering vagrants who traveled the countryside, taking odd jobs or charity where they could. Most were harmless but many suffered PTSD from the war were prone to odd behavior or even violent outbursts. Whatever the case, they were convenient scapegoats if anything bad did happen.
Also, while people did move around back then, it wasn't nearly so common as today. Most lived and died within 40 miles of where they were born. So if a stranger did show up to make his home in a new community, there was at least some chance they were running away from trouble back home.
I had never heard of this story, and I know I shouldn't have laughed, but at the beginning I thought they were pulling a prank with the name.
Why they drinking orange juice?
What happened to a “cup of tea”?
Because vodka doesn't taste as good in tea
@@sakabula2357 oh!!!….. well that explains it!
They are drink a popular drink in the UK called, Orange Squash.
Is Jack the stripper and Jack the ripper two different people 🤔???
Yes, Jack the Ripper was in 1888, Jack the stripper was in 1964/5, both in London.
21 something, the lineup, he was kinda correct with the police, because that how the police should be, unreadable
Why the hell would any parent allow their child outside alone when there is a murderer out there.
I think the answer for this is probably the times in which this incident occurred. It didn’t happen in 2023.
I don't believe the people who heard that Poor Baby crying and them thinking it's a child playing!! She was being brutalized, how could they for one minute TRULY have believed that to be a happy child playing!!! If the Police went door to door how come the didn't go in the shed.... It was only a few doors away from the shop?? The Boy who did this behaved much like Mary Bell a 10yr old Serial Killer
It's strange but the green river killer also had paint fragments on their bodies. Maybe they are related,down the family tree.
I thought it was Jack the ripper
More than a hundred thousand people came out to pay their respects for Freida? That is the most ive ever heard lining the streets for anyone who wasnt royalty or a president, etc.
Jack the Stripper.... Love it! 🤣
The more of these reports I see, the more I support the death penalty. Also for those considered to young. Some of the most horrendous crimes are committed by young, violent thugs who had a "normal" upbringing. One that stood out was for example the case in Japan of the torture of a young girl Junko Furuta by young thugs. And although I admit that due diligence has to be exercised there can be no mercy nor atonement for certain crimes.
Lol. I would've chose that guy with the nice smile because he looks like robert senior lolol
@19:02 it's his mom 😆🧂 🌎