Definitely bro. Hes the legend. It frustrates me how much people bash on him over literally nothing. They just jealous of his dance moves thats gotta be it. 😂
The fear of God comes from loving Him and wanting to please him in our lifestyle. Relating with him and serving him because we know he love Him. But, being afraid of God is trying to please him because we want Him to love us. Like we're trying to earn his love and acceptance @SydneyLovePJBJ
I weep with you over the state of Christianity today. I have questioned for years if I am wrong in the way I see things because the majority of other Christians are embracing what is promoted in today's churches. Then the Holy Spirit reminded me that the road is narrow.
I’m only 23 minutes in and this interview is really surprising me… I’m one of those people that stopped listening to Kirk’s new music because it just didn’t have that anointing in my opinion like his old stuff… I also stepped back from his ministry in general because he comes off as so worldly… Listening to him now and him saying “I don’t always get it right” really touched me, because none of us do. I know I won’t agree but he seems really genuine. Thank you for this interview!!!
@@B1dadawn actually we do, the Bible says “be in the world, not of the world.” So yes when someone like Kirk Franklin that says he has been called into ministry and you do something’s that don’t align with the teachings of Jesus, yes your witness is called into question… To the naked eye he doesn’t look set apart. Now that’s not to say he isn’t, only God knows his heart and only God can judge him, but that doesn’t mean in MY OPINION TO ME he comes off worldly sometimes or he has changed a lot TO ME since his 90s music. TO ME a lot of these gospel artists especially the mainstream ones have conformed, in my opinion, and I don’t judge, but if it doesn’t resonate with me I just won’t listen.
@@AviMarie21 There is no way you could know unless you were hanging around him on a daily basis. Worldly behavior is not an external thing. It’s internal. It’s seen in the character of a person. For example, The worldly mindset says eye for an eye, Jesus says forgive those who’s wronged you. Worldly traits are, jealousy, envy, hate, fornicators, liars, unforgiving, deceit, and etc. it’s seen in the character of a person, not the clothes he wears, not because he dances, and not because you’ve seen him around unbelievers. Most believers don’t know that being worldly means behaviors that are opposite of the fruit of the spirit. It’s seen in the character of a man. I don’t know what his day to day walk look like because I’m not around him enough to see. I just don’t understand how folks can judge that unless you’re constantly around him.
@@B1dadawn I can understand where you’re coming from and I would agree that we don’t know him, I don’t know that man personally I don’t know how he conducts himself in his private life and that’s fine that’s why I said “God knows his heart” so that’s between Kirk and his God. However God has given me wisdom and discernment and based off some of the things I’ve seen just comes off as worldly, I don’t think he is a bad person I just don’t align with somethings he does… But that’s not just him preachers too, but he is doing the interview. Let’s move away from him and just another example… because you gave me a list of traits and why we shouldn’t say he seems or comes off as worldly…. I you saw me on the corner with next to nothing on waiver cars down, you would assume or I would give off the appearance as a prostitute. Now you don’t know me, you don’t know me you don’t know my character, but all appearance I look like what I look like you don’t know me at the core of my being, but based of your discernment and life experience you can make a fare assumption. Lol my example might be extreme but I say that to say, ppl are going to judge based off what we see or what you present to them. It is what it is.
@@AviMarie21 serious question…do we not all do things that “don’t align with the teachings of Jesus”? Sin does not align with the teachings of Jesus yet we ALL do it. I think the difference here is Kirks life is on display for so many to see AND judge. His falling short May look different than yours, however it’s still all falling short. None of us are exempt no matter how much we may “look” set apart. Some people expect you to stand like this, dress like that, speak like this. I think that’s where “religion” comes in and people focus more on appearance than the heart. Thank God his judgment is the only one that truly matters. You can only imagine how Jesus was judged by some when he was seen with certain people.
I recently met Kirk Franklin in Irving, TX at a restaurant. It was the day after his last tour date (November). He looked really tired but when I asked, he took a picture with me. He really is down to Earth and humble.
Totally agree bc folks put their way of religion and what/how they were programmed to how he s/b in CHRIST. So if you’re not living and doing what ppl church brain is set up to agree with and the learned behavior then you’re condemned and going to hell by their standards 🤦🏾♀️
The issue has become WE SAINTS made these individuals STARS INSTEAD of SERVANTS. REPENTANCE, HUMILITY AND THE LIKE needs to be done in the "gospel music industry" in order for the body of Christ to be THE LIGHT in these times.....just my opinion.
@@czhanell Okay, what's the difference between the church being outraged about actions that are actually not supported by Jesus in the bible and them legitimately being judgmental? And isn't this the exact same way the world behaves? Kirk's actions are more acceptable to the world than the body of Christ. Does that mean his heart is turned towards the world or towards God?
"Quietly secretly dying" i cant express how accurate that was. The human shame we feel for being HUMAN is insane. And it is sad that we cant just talk about things openly with other christians without feeling or being judged instead of being embraced and saying "ME TOO! I STRUGGLE WITH THAT TOO." The devil has this pinned down and its sad we dont realize it. Thank you Lecrae for this beautiful talk and Kirk for your honesty. Wish we had more talks like this with other christians
My heart ached when Kirk said, 'It has become the norm for modern Christianity to crucify rather than to redeem.' This painful truth reveals just how far the body of Christ has strayed from truly reflecting the heart of Christ.😞🙏🏾
@ Fred some people don’t read or understand what they are reading when it come to the Bible. If anyone , fast , pray and read, one will see that this statement is very incorrect. Only people that want God and the world feel this way. Kirk is the one who strayed. There are a lot of true believers that have not compromised their salvation still around. 😉
@@frederickweeksjr.1189 Maybe so, but even if this is only his personal experience, it is still very heartbreaking that he feels more condemned than accepted and loved.
I can't imagine the shock you guys must have gone through as young men being exposed to the filth of the industry.....AND THEN dealing with the filth that comes from "christendom". It must have all been shocking. Thank you guys for peeling back the layers and letting us in..... and LECRAE, THANK YOU for coming to Hutchins State Jail with your father-in-law back in 2009. I had wanted to see you in concert for the longest....and then I ended up in prison after falling on my face, and there you were! Crazy. Keep doing what God called you guys to do!! Forever 116.
1 John 2:15-17 Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever.
Honestly when he said "Anyone who says being a Christian is easy only ever goes in Christian spaces" just got my goat. There are tons of Christians who have to be in very secular environments who still stand on their faith. It's not everyone, Kirk. It's YOU.
@@jigsaw924 Tons of people? Can you mention even one of those “tons” of people? Because I barely know a single artist in these circles that doesn’t report back with the same struggles that Kirk talked about here. His point stands: it’s easy to wax theological when you’re mostly performing in Christian circles. Mention an artist that’s in the same kinds of circles that Kirk puts himself in, and then come back and talk.
@missmytime Clark Beckham, Chris Degen, Victoria Sanchez, Madison Ryan Ward, Jonathan Mcreynolds, Jason Nelson, Todd Dulaney, Todd Galbreadth, Tori Kelly. There are more but I think I've proven my point. You can serve God, preach the gospel through your music, and NOT dance around stage like a stripper. I also have my personal experiences being a backslide, getting truly saved, and going back to the friends/places I used to go, and being able to stand strong and not go back to anything I used to do. When you're born again, you're supposed to be delivered from the world and it's temptations. Christians have been doing it for over a millennium.
True true n nothing but the truth...this guys they share about their life struggles personaly,in the music industry and in church aswell ..am in awe of what they talking about because when things fail in life the church just critisize you without praying or even sitting you down to offer solutions ...😢
True true n nothing but the truth...this guys they share about their life struggles personaly,in the music industry and in church aswell ..am in awe of what they talking about because when things fail in life the church just critisize you without praying or even sitting you down to offer solutions ...😢
I am so glad you are doing interviews now as well. This is Christian interviews without all the corny stuff or PC talking points. Keep em coming, mate. This is so needed.
I don't know that I've laughed harder at any other of your interviews than this one! Felt like I was sitting in watching my boy cousins have a grown man convo. Loved it!
I love both of your rap and songs... Lecrea my sons came home from church camp and told me, " Mom! this is church music.. And it was , Lecrea and rao and, " Don't Waste Your Life.." The boys HS basketball team at a public school warmed up to a lot of your music.. ,"" " Go Hard.."I'm 57 and Amy Grant and M W Smith is great and we did get t9 hear their first hits. BUT YOUR RAP AND testimony is awsome
Oh my... Today the song with Glorious is everywhere. The more I listen the more God is letting it play.. I understand the concern but reaching the lost for the Kingdom!! It is everywhere in one hour !!
I’m so tired of people calling Christians “religious” as an insult when it’s usually believers who genuinely want to be holy and set apart from this world just like Christ was and is. People who try to label authentic followers of Christ as “Pharisees” don’t understand that we are now the temple of God, and quite frankly, don’t respect God’s holiness and purity. I’m so glad that Jesus loves sinners because we all are, but His desire is not that we remain under sins power; and that includes this evil pop culture. “Go and sin no more” -Jesus - after forgiving and defending the woman caught in adultery. “Whoever says he abides in Him (Jesus), ought to walk in the same way He walked.” -1 John 2:6 “but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”” 1 Peter 1:15-16
No it's not stress it's the fact that when ya know the truth and say I accept accountability due to salvation yet aligns yaself with demonic entities from a leadership position God wrath is gonna be great on ya cause ya misleading and mis representing the scripture on purpose
Agreed. I wonder if anyone has ever done a real deep dive study into the Pharisees. I've heard the Jesus is black whole thing, and I get it. But the pharisees: who led by laws over love. Condemnation of acts of sin over love and compassion. Even ignoring the message and demonstrations of Jesus and his presence. Fast forward to today, what Jesus preached is still being ignored. As a people, we are choosing perfection as a Christian label, instead of relationship. We are making it our personal practice to critique with bitterness, void of any compassion or love...and have the audacity to say God's wrath will fall on someone who does not fit your perspective. I have read my Bible several times, and continue daily...Where did Jesus show you this example? It was sooo much more important to save a soul from hell and damnation than to bitterly destroy someone with words because of the action of sin. He judged the sin, not the person. He spent time with the person. Not a single disciple or prophet that God chose stopped sinning before or during their journey. Because it was a journey till the day they died. After all the crap David went through to step into his destiny, he still sinned. God corrected him, but he didn't destroy him. Paul? Has anyone read about Paul, beyond the Bible? The Bible will direct you to books of kings that you can read also. If you don't fully understand God's wrath, don't speak it. He's not a bodyguard that will strike on your demand or words. And we should never say that as it can involve more than just that person, including you since you are involving yourself and using this straight forward measure of judgement, thinking it's okay. My father said to walk in love with people. You don't know who he has his hands on. It is very difficult to be transparent and serve God on a public stage in this world and our culture. We are the hardest critics. Please stop. Most of our Christian singers, writers have and are dealing with depression, abusive past, abandonment, etc. Yet God still chose them. He knows they are not perfect. It doesn't matter how long you live on this earth, you will never be 100% void of sin. You will always struggle with something. Let God handle the something. I can't even see Kirk clothes or dancing when I hear his music because the words have me on my knees in worship to God. Because I'm in my relationship with God. Thankyou Jesus for using all of us in your way. Thankyou for confirmations, love. Thankyou for the Kirk Franklin's, Lecraes, Brandon Lakes. Thankyou for using them. Please protect and lead them God. If it's anything you see, that is not of you, show them and all of us, your ways. Be gracious and merciful God. I love you. Thank you for using people just like me. ❤
@italsreyc2430 This!!! So many Pharisees on this thread and others of Lecrae's. I am amazed that so many Pharisees would even follow Lecrae! Thank you for posting this. It needs to be said over and over. This is the truth.
Thank you, for the interview. We Christians are quick to judge others with only part of the information. I appreciate the transparency and openness from both of you gentlemen. The enemy has done a great job causing division in the church. John the Baptist said “less of me, more of him.” We need to take those words to heart. “And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,” Hebrews 10:24 NKJV
These Two people changed my life and they have no idea about it! I became the first Christian rapper with an album in Ethiopia and God changed thousands of lives. I wish to thank you in person one day!
The air being let out of the balloon from the start “ is what I live by. I can’t tell you how much that’s helped me today and to understand how God has made me. I’ve had my questions about Kirk Franklin. I’ll tell you today brother Kirk. My heart has changed God bless you and Lecrae .MUCH LUV
Listening to Kirk when I first learned about Jesus is what helped light my fire and determination to get to know and be a part of the Kingdom of the Most High. Songs like Stomp and The Reason Why I sing helped me to transition from worldly music - that was familiar, yet unhealthy - to a genre that I could relate to and help me get to know Christ when I was still concerned about what people would think about my drastic change. 24 years later, I don't always follow what the naysayers are talking about via social media however, I had to stop by to see what was being said about Mr. Franklin. We have to remember that everyone has a part to play when harvesting fruit for the Kingdom. Kirk has a gift to be able to reach the hard to reach fruits. It is through his music we are able to begin exploring all the different artists and genres that gospel music has to offer; like Be Be and Ce Ce or Brandon Lake. So, if he needs a tank top and tight jeans while gardening for God, let him cook! 😜 🙌🏾 I praise God for his obedience to our Heavenly Father. May he continue to be blessed and may his rewards be equivalent to the number of those he has helped to save. ❤
I’m a mom of a teen girl who I love more than you can know. We adopted her when she was a year from Asia. Hearing Kirk talk about being abandoned breaks my heart on so many levels. I would love to hear some helpful and godly advice as how to best help my child heal from the hurt.
I will be honest, i have had a bad taste in my mouth about him for a while. But after this interview he gained some of my respect back, his heart seems really genuine for the Lord.😊
I love both Kirk and Lacrae music and how they transparent bout their walk in faith/life with the rest of us fans. Pls do these sit downs often. I wish I was back in my country when Kirk recently toured Central Africa Love from Africa 🇿🇲
There is so much power in being in "secular" spaces..., when they offer you something thats not for you, and you say: "Im good", AND YOU STAY... uuuh... there is power in that, cause they know that different you, and you still decide to fellowship. Thats the start of something. Love it.
I feel for Kirk Franklin’s spirit, deeply. Reading some of these comments alone, I can’t imagine having my own personal walk with God scrutinized, sliced, diced and (mis)interpreted by millions of Christians (and non-Christians) around the world. Try to consider empathy, Grace and humility before you consider throwing stones. What would we say about you and your Christ-likeness if your every move was broadcast as widely as any famous Gospel celebrity? And if you still feel the burning need to put them down publicly, try praying for them first. We still believing in prayer or just condemnation?🤔 Sadly, it’s reading many of these comments that made me remember why I feel safer and happier away from “Church community”.
“Empathy” in the way the world perceives lead brothers and sisters to hell. We hold each other accountable and point out faults so that eternal damnation isn’t their portion. The blood is on the hands of them who choose not to speak up that know better. And many people are led astray because of the falsehood as well. So it’s only right we speak up and defend the Gospel as the Lord says to do.
The duplicity of “Christians” that Kirk speaks of is disappointing and hurtful for sure, but I know what it often means, for the Lord has told us that not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He says “I never knew you.” So beware and be wise. Many wolves have entered the pen.
Interesting point 🤔. I write Christian music and play piano 🎹. The biggest concern for me is that gospel music today NOT CONCRETE in it's stance whereas older songs were more BIBLICAL in composition. Not saying all the songs are bad,but the writers need to think SCRIPTURAL when writing.
Kirk Franklin was the only name I knew attached to gospel music when I was a kid. Stomp! Brighter Day!! The hip hop bop behind the Word!!! 😂 Grateful 🤲🏽💚
Thank you Lecrae. I pray for you both. May the LORD Jesus continue to help you exemplify Him as you as you express the gift He has given you. Continuing to pray❤😃🙏🏾
Why did they only talk about their opinions of what the church does and not what the word of God says about how we must live as follower of Jesus Christ.
@ericwashington7815 dead to sin, yes, and alive to God. No reason to bring your self righteous attitude in here bro. Glad you're living a perfect life though. Keep that up.
Been on the Faith path as teen since 90s I'll tell you that Kirk been instrumental helping me sustain my faith walk since back then. The music the criticize so much is the one that carried me thru not just as a fad but the message in it that appeals to the young people's mind/interest. I still love Kirk Music, and now my 16yo loves the Lord and Kirk music is also one of his favorite Love from Africa 🇿🇲
💯 correct!!! Mark 10:11-12 Jesus says: Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery. Dr Stanley did exactly what the scripture says should be done I’m glad you made your comment!
When the entire really sad deal with his son happened and I too heard his voice in the same way I have had the hell of an addicted son. We don't wish it on no one. What his son, we pray for didnt see coming was the support so many Christians gave Kirk. We know him, we have been there and it is Hell... But it even helped me a bit because I too have screamed and yelled and cussed too. We heard the pain and we are all human. He has my respect. Love his music.
Lecrae watching this my brother a lyric popped in my head from one of your songs..All I Need is You..”You be keeping me cool in the summer when everyone be dressing less and I be wanting to show off and stunt”..I love you my brothers in Christ..I love your music..always have..but be careful..stand on the Word of God and not emotions..not seeing things through a perspective of church hurt or Christians who edified in fleshly ways..the devil is sneaky...Jesus sat with sinners and they walked away as disciples..we as Christians have to find that balance in edifying people in a loving way but still edifying…so much scripture about this..keeping on the armor of God because the devil is out looking for people to devour..and it will be the smallest seed of deceit from the devil that leads to an unfruitful tree..Jesus loves you, I love you..we got to be out here teaching deliverence..Galatians 6:1 “Brothers and Sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted” ❤
But, Jesus didn't do wrong with them. They had to walk with him without sinning. Jesus was guiding them to do God's purpose and learn the laws of God and not the world. They had responsibility in Christ.
I don’t even think some of y’all watched the video…to be quoting “do not be conform to this world” when this conversation had nothing to do with that….or even just shaming him for things he didn’t even say in this video..all I’m gonna say is satan will use a fellow brother to accuse another brother..and also is the accuser of the brother
When I tell you I’d really love to meet Kirk because my youngest daughter actually got a chance to meet him in person in Dallas and she says he’s genuinely very kind!
I just recently started embracing the calling The Lord has for me in music, I have a powerful testimony to it but that would be typing too much😂… But this podcast with Kirk really helps me to prepare what The Lord has for me!! God Bless Lecrae!!
So I just released two of my songs. Personally I don’t be trusting any links sent to me so here’s my artist name and the songs!! Anthem of Peace By Ixcilus Calvary By Ixcilus
Bro Kirk's take on judgment and criticism is so humble and refreshing😭love it. Most Christian artists would be like "I ignore those comments, Christians are judgemental" 😢
People are judgemental.. Christian's aren't exempt. That's the best way to say that, instead singling out Christian's. Unbelievers I know are way more hypocritical and judgmental than Christian's I know. That's my personal experience.
Honestly I feel like ignoring the comments is the best approach because Christians are still people and most of the time the those that decide to judge might not judge purely Any way I love Uncke Kirk.
I loved this so much. This probably has to be my favorite interview. Growing up listening to KF and then being able to sit and hear his heart & wisdom was enjoyable. ♥️
The Church is not as condemning as we all claim. When Stanley got divorced people were holding him accountable because he said if he ever divorced he would step down from pastoring.
Coz I’m guessing you know the depths and breaths and heights of the love of God stops for him specifically coz YOU called him a wolf?? MAY god forgive you
Right , I don’t think his words are matching with his actions. This is the same man who said “ the lion and the lamb will bow down to the goat” in a freestyle.
interesting how Lecrae referred to the way Kurt dresses, but Kurt first said if people criticize my dancing, it’s never been the way he dresses. It’s the way he dances up there very sensual and provocative that is irresponsible as a believer. Lecrae did not address that portion, which is the main portion.
This interview was so good! The way you had Kirk laughing was so beautiful to see. It was a good glimpse into the relationship you two have, and you could tell he’s comfortable around you.
I'm glad you made this video, it reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, honest wife, $75k biweekly and a good daughter full of love ❤️
I raised 75k and Christina Ann Tucker is to be thanked. I got my self my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her. Christina A. Tucker is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!
Great interview!! It's amazing how I could identify with Kirk Franklin life as a Christian growing up! The real blessing is knowing God loves us and can use our downfalls as a testimony. Blessings Lacrea this was a real one!! ✌🏾🧡
I love when he said, I want to be corrected! Saaaame Kirk!!! Don't just say it behind my back to your friends, say it kindly to me, I care about how I'm representing Jesus in front of others. Lets normalize helping each other up kindly.
This podcast has really helped me to understand better what these guys go through. I was so excited to see that this had Kirk in it, cause I heard of the controversy and didn't hear his side. Thank you both for being open! God Bless!!!
That's true Kirk, too many people judge Kirk like he's supposed to be perfect. . They go vehemently at him, this doesn't help anyone. Thanks Lecrae for this interview and Kirk thank you for being you.
@@karlinwilliamson9329 I would assume Paul's words aren't a contradiction of what Jesus said. So those two separate statements must not conflict with one another. What do you think Jesus meant?
Father God, . In The Mighty Name Of Jesus Christ, I pray 🙏🙏🙏🙏 4 Justice & Judgement 4 Christian from all denominations 4 Your Glory & 4 Your Kingdom Come Here In Earth As It Is In Heaven. Amen. 🙏
He misinterprets Romans 7 to justify his worldly behavior.He loves money and the limelight that goes with it…if you love the world and anything in it,the love of God isn’t perfected in you!
@@a8b23 Do you know how many people have prayer for him and others spoke to him from far or near?Many.He has to make a choice to be on the side of the Lord because he knows better.
I appreciate this convo. I wish this was closer to the conversations Christians could have with each other as far as the realness and honesty instead of talking points being used to degrade others.
If you think he dancing crazy, think of David, dancing his clothes off before people, but ain't feeling ashamed. He wasn't dancin to receive complements from the crowd/fans, but dancing to acknowledge the God who gave him the energy and muscle to move his body left n right
David was dancing before God not people … David’s enthusiasm and energy towards the lord caused his clothing to come lose so he became naked but his dancing was before the lord 😊
Ehhh listen none of us has arrived. We are yet being sanctified. Yes we have an obligation to spur each other on toward righteousness; but we spend too much time trying to remove the speck out of others' eye when we have PLANKS in our own. Come on saints, let's PRAY for one another to do better AND OURSELVES!!!! I love Kirk!
For your knowledge, we are already sanctified by the sacrifice that Jesus did, your actions and your mind not be sanctified but it’s going to be renewed gradually by the renewed by the word of God,,,you are not going to be sanctified by your moral and actions because you are already sanctified
I was not raised in the church and when i became christian leaving the world behind was part of my walk. I couldnt have one foot in amd one foot out.i trued it that way and i was miserable mixing the 2.
Caught his convo with Tim Ross on the Basement, and mahn! I feel bad for him. It's definitely hard being a Christian in public...these Christians sure hit at their own hard!. 😢😢 All those saying oh he interacts with non-Christians and collabos with them and ministers in their events...please explain how you believe Jesus as Savior yet He was crucified with thieves🤔
@@socb5642 you think so? Jesus should have chosen anywhere else to be crucified, just like "Christians" want Christians to choose where to do ministry. Or aren't both scenarios about communicating God and all He is?
@@LornaNjosh-cc8ns Ofc Jesus came for sinners(all of us basically) but what I am saying is loving rebuke is good(I am not talking about kirk but generally) you can hang out with worldly people but you must not act like them.
@@socb5642 and my problem is, why are we constatntly rebuking? Like, is there never a reason, room or need to encourage, applaud and support those shining the light of Jesus in dark places? Why is rebuke ALWAYS more than applaud? Why is the first instinct always to find fault?🤷♀️
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A very needed conversation! 23:25 got real... I mean, the whole thing was real. But... you feel me. Dealing with the root of bitterness is a necessity when the church be buggin like that regularly. Thank you for being who you are.
Who all grew up listening to Kirk? ✋
Definitely bro. Hes the legend. It frustrates me how much people bash on him over literally nothing. They just jealous of his dance moves thats gotta be it. 😂
Stomp!🎵🦶🏾
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Can u plz invite anike
Meeeeee. Kirk music hits different
I don’t know Kirk, but I been listening to Lecrae sense I was 18 and I’m 37 now
"The fear of God is different from being afraid of God" that's a statement that shouldn't be overlooked, absolute gem
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom..."
Proverbs 9:10 - Holy Bible
I wish they went into that more
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The fear of God comes from loving Him and wanting to please him in our lifestyle. Relating with him and serving him because we know he love Him. But, being afraid of God is trying to please him because we want Him to love us. Like we're trying to earn his love and acceptance @SydneyLovePJBJ
I weep with you over the state of Christianity today. I have questioned for years if I am wrong in the way I see things because the majority of other Christians are embracing what is promoted in today's churches. Then the Holy Spirit reminded me that the road is narrow.
Well said and may God bless you 🙏❤🙏❤️
Amen!🙏
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@@ginapeterson1003 you can only speak from an American context........
I tell a friend all the time that when she thinks she's thought about how narrow this road is, think even more narrow.
I’m only 23 minutes in and this interview is really surprising me… I’m one of those people that stopped listening to Kirk’s new music because it just didn’t have that anointing in my opinion like his old stuff… I also stepped back from his ministry in general because he comes off as so worldly… Listening to him now and him saying “I don’t always get it right” really touched me, because none of us do. I know I won’t agree but he seems really genuine. Thank you for this interview!!!
When y’all say worldly what do y’all mean? I am convinced that 99% of Christians don’t understand what the word means when it speak’s of the world.
@@B1dadawn actually we do, the Bible says “be in the world, not of the world.” So yes when someone like Kirk Franklin that says he has been called into ministry and you do something’s that don’t align with the teachings of Jesus, yes your witness is called into question… To the naked eye he doesn’t look set apart. Now that’s not to say he isn’t, only God knows his heart and only God can judge him, but that doesn’t mean in MY OPINION TO ME he comes off worldly sometimes or he has changed a lot TO ME since his 90s music. TO ME a lot of these gospel artists especially the mainstream ones have conformed, in my opinion, and I don’t judge, but if it doesn’t resonate with me I just won’t listen.
@@AviMarie21 There is no way you could know unless you were hanging around him on a daily basis. Worldly behavior is not an external thing. It’s internal. It’s seen in the character of a person. For example, The worldly mindset says eye for an eye, Jesus says forgive those who’s wronged you. Worldly traits are, jealousy, envy, hate, fornicators, liars, unforgiving, deceit, and etc. it’s seen in the character of a person, not the clothes he wears, not because he dances, and not because you’ve seen him around unbelievers. Most believers don’t know that being worldly means behaviors that are opposite of the fruit of the spirit. It’s seen in the character of a man. I don’t know what his day to day walk look like because I’m not around him enough to see. I just don’t understand how folks can judge that unless you’re constantly around him.
@@B1dadawn I can understand where you’re coming from and I would agree that we don’t know him, I don’t know that man personally I don’t know how he conducts himself in his private life and that’s fine that’s why I said “God knows his heart” so that’s between Kirk and his God. However God has given me wisdom and discernment and based off some of the things I’ve seen just comes off as worldly, I don’t think he is a bad person I just don’t align with somethings he does… But that’s not just him preachers too, but he is doing the interview.
Let’s move away from him and just another example… because you gave me a list of traits and why we shouldn’t say he seems or comes off as worldly…. I you saw me on the corner with next to nothing on waiver cars down, you would assume or I would give off the appearance as a prostitute. Now you don’t know me, you don’t know me you don’t know my character, but all appearance I look like what I look like you don’t know me at the core of my being, but based of your discernment and life experience you can make a fare assumption. Lol my example might be extreme but I say that to say, ppl are going to judge based off what we see or what you present to them. It is what it is.
@@AviMarie21 serious question…do we not all do things that “don’t align with the teachings of Jesus”? Sin does not align with the teachings of Jesus yet we ALL do it. I think the difference here is Kirks life is on display for so many to see AND judge. His falling short May look different than yours, however it’s still all falling short. None of us are exempt no matter how much we may “look” set apart. Some people expect you to stand like this, dress like that, speak like this. I think that’s where “religion” comes in and people focus more on appearance than the heart. Thank God his judgment is the only one that truly matters. You can only imagine how Jesus was judged by some when he was seen with certain people.
I recently met Kirk Franklin in Irving, TX at a restaurant. It was the day after his last tour date (November). He looked really tired but when I asked, he took a picture with me. He really is down to Earth and humble.
Kirk may be the most misunderstood, understood celebrity. This convo will be legendary.
Totally agree bc folks put their way of religion and what/how they were programmed to how he s/b in CHRIST. So if you’re not living and doing what ppl church brain is set up to agree with and the learned behavior then you’re condemned and going to hell by their standards 🤦🏾♀️
No
I don’t think so
The issue has become WE SAINTS made these individuals STARS INSTEAD of SERVANTS. REPENTANCE, HUMILITY AND THE LIKE needs to be done in the "gospel music industry" in order for the body of Christ to be THE LIGHT in these times.....just my opinion.
@@czhanell Okay, what's the difference between the church being outraged about actions that are actually not supported by Jesus in the bible and them legitimately being judgmental? And isn't this the exact same way the world behaves? Kirk's actions are more acceptable to the world than the body of Christ. Does that mean his heart is turned towards the world or towards God?
"Quietly secretly dying" i cant express how accurate that was. The human shame we feel for being HUMAN is insane. And it is sad that we cant just talk about things openly with other christians without feeling or being judged instead of being embraced and saying "ME TOO! I STRUGGLE WITH THAT TOO." The devil has this pinned down and its sad we dont realize it. Thank you Lecrae for this beautiful talk and Kirk for your honesty. Wish we had more talks like this with other christians
My heart ached when Kirk said, 'It has become the norm for modern Christianity to crucify rather than to redeem.' This painful truth reveals just how far the body of Christ has strayed from truly reflecting the heart of Christ.😞🙏🏾
Mr Franklin is incorrect on this comment..
@ Fred some people don’t read or understand what they are reading when it come to the Bible. If anyone , fast , pray and read, one will see that this statement is very incorrect. Only people that want God and the world feel this way. Kirk is the one who strayed. There are a lot of true believers that have not compromised their salvation still around. 😉
@@frederickweeksjr.1189 Maybe so, but even if this is only his personal experience, it is still very heartbreaking that he feels more condemned than accepted and loved.
@@ashleyreed166 feels???? Time he should grow from feelings to what God's word says .....different perspective.
@@EmeraldDove1743 you mean if they have DISCERNMENT.
At this point Kirk Franklin has become the pinata for Christians. Pray for this man.
The scapegoat 🐐
Oh hush lol
Hypocrites destroy hypocrite ;)
I can't imagine the shock you guys must have gone through as young men being exposed to the filth of the industry.....AND THEN dealing with the filth that comes from "christendom". It must have all been shocking. Thank you guys for peeling back the layers and letting us in.....
and LECRAE, THANK YOU for coming to Hutchins State Jail with your father-in-law back in 2009. I had wanted to see you in concert for the longest....and then I ended up in prison after falling on my face, and there you were! Crazy. Keep doing what God called you guys to do!! Forever 116.
1 John 2:15-17
Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever.
Best comment 🎉
100%👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Honestly when he said "Anyone who says being a Christian is easy only ever goes in Christian spaces" just got my goat. There are tons of Christians who have to be in very secular environments who still stand on their faith. It's not everyone, Kirk. It's YOU.
@@jigsaw924 Tons of people? Can you mention even one of those “tons” of people? Because I barely know a single artist in these circles that doesn’t report back with the same struggles that Kirk talked about here. His point stands: it’s easy to wax theological when you’re mostly performing in Christian circles. Mention an artist that’s in the same kinds of circles that Kirk puts himself in, and then come back and talk.
@missmytime Clark Beckham, Chris Degen, Victoria Sanchez, Madison Ryan Ward, Jonathan Mcreynolds, Jason Nelson, Todd Dulaney, Todd Galbreadth, Tori Kelly. There are more but I think I've proven my point. You can serve God, preach the gospel through your music, and NOT dance around stage like a stripper. I also have my personal experiences being a backslide, getting truly saved, and going back to the friends/places I used to go, and being able to stand strong and not go back to anything I used to do.
When you're born again, you're supposed to be delivered from the world and it's temptations. Christians have been doing it for over a millennium.
This Kirk and Lecrae interview is like watching Iron Man and Superman talk shop.
Totally😊
Yo this is one of the best comments I've seen on the internet this week
True true n nothing but the truth...this guys they share about their life struggles personaly,in the music industry and in church aswell ..am in awe of what they talking about because when things fail in life the church just critisize you without praying or even sitting you down to offer solutions ...😢
True true n nothing but the truth...this guys they share about their life struggles personaly,in the music industry and in church aswell ..am in awe of what they talking about because when things fail in life the church just critisize you without praying or even sitting you down to offer solutions ...😢
Two iconic people
They could never make me h8 Kirk...
Some of his songs have lifted me up out of some very deep dark places...
I am so glad you are doing interviews now as well. This is Christian interviews without all the corny stuff or PC talking points. Keep em coming, mate. This is so needed.
I don't know that I've laughed harder at any other of your interviews than this one! Felt like I was sitting in watching my boy cousins have a grown man convo. Loved it!
Kirk has not just worked with legendary iconic people, he IS legendary and iconic people.
Truth is truth no matter how hard we try to twist it.
Thumbs up for Kirk and Lecrae for the many years of blessing us
? How music that glorifies God when they want to? Music will not save us.
I love both of your rap and songs... Lecrea my sons came home from church camp and told me, " Mom! this is church music.. And it was , Lecrea and rao and, " Don't Waste Your Life.." The boys HS basketball team at a public school warmed up to a lot of your music.. ,"" " Go Hard.."I'm 57 and Amy Grant and M W Smith is great and we did get t9 hear their first hits. BUT YOUR RAP AND testimony is awsome
Oh my... Today the song with Glorious is everywhere. The more I listen the more God is letting it play.. I understand the concern but reaching the lost for the Kingdom!! It is everywhere in one hour !!
I’m so tired of people calling Christians “religious” as an insult when it’s usually believers who genuinely want to be holy and set apart from this world just like Christ was and is. People who try to label authentic followers of Christ as “Pharisees” don’t understand that we are now the temple of God, and quite frankly, don’t respect God’s holiness and purity. I’m so glad that Jesus loves sinners because we all are, but His desire is not that we remain under sins power; and that includes this evil pop culture.
“Go and sin no more” -Jesus - after forgiving and defending the woman caught in adultery.
“Whoever says he abides in Him (Jesus), ought to walk in the same way He walked.” -1 John 2:6
“but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.””
1 Peter 1:15-16
Jesus would be labeled self-righteous pharisee today.
WHEW AMENN to this !!
Amen!!
Agreed!
Amen
That is so true…Christians stress more than the world because of the weight we put on each other.
No it's not stress it's the fact that when ya know the truth and say I accept accountability due to salvation yet aligns yaself with demonic entities from a leadership position God wrath is gonna be great on ya cause ya misleading and mis representing the scripture on purpose
You mean the weight the Bible puts on us. Which, by the way, isn't heavy at all when you're really saved.
Agreed. I wonder if anyone has ever done a real deep dive study into the Pharisees. I've heard the Jesus is black whole thing, and I get it. But the pharisees: who led by laws over love. Condemnation of acts of sin over love and compassion. Even ignoring the message and demonstrations of Jesus and his presence. Fast forward to today, what Jesus preached is still being ignored. As a people, we are choosing perfection as a Christian label, instead of relationship. We are making it our personal practice to critique with bitterness, void of any compassion or love...and have the audacity to say God's wrath will fall on someone who does not fit your perspective. I have read my Bible several times, and continue daily...Where did Jesus show you this example? It was sooo much more important to save a soul from hell and damnation than to bitterly destroy someone with words because of the action of sin. He judged the sin, not the person. He spent time with the person. Not a single disciple or prophet that God chose stopped sinning before or during their journey. Because it was a journey till the day they died. After all the crap David went through to step into his destiny, he still sinned. God corrected him, but he didn't destroy him. Paul? Has anyone read about Paul, beyond the Bible? The Bible will direct you to books of kings that you can read also. If you don't fully understand God's wrath, don't speak it. He's not a bodyguard that will strike on your demand or words. And we should never say that as it can involve more than just that person, including you since you are involving yourself and using this straight forward measure of judgement, thinking it's okay. My father said to walk in love with people. You don't know who he has his hands on. It is very difficult to be transparent and serve God on a public stage in this world and our culture. We are the hardest critics. Please stop. Most of our Christian singers, writers have and are dealing with depression, abusive past, abandonment, etc. Yet God still chose them. He knows they are not perfect. It doesn't matter how long you live on this earth, you will never be 100% void of sin. You will always struggle with something. Let God handle the something. I can't even see Kirk clothes or dancing when I hear his music because the words have me on my knees in worship to God. Because I'm in my relationship with God. Thankyou Jesus for using all of us in your way. Thankyou for confirmations, love. Thankyou for the Kirk Franklin's, Lecraes, Brandon Lakes. Thankyou for using them. Please protect and lead them God. If it's anything you see, that is not of you, show them and all of us, your ways. Be gracious and merciful God. I love you. Thank you for using people just like me. ❤
Period!!
@italsreyc2430 This!!! So many Pharisees on this thread and others of Lecrae's. I am amazed that so many Pharisees would even follow Lecrae! Thank you for posting this. It needs to be said over and over. This is the truth.
Thank you, for the interview. We Christians are quick to judge others with only part of the information. I appreciate the transparency and openness from both of you gentlemen. The enemy has done a great job causing division in the church. John the Baptist said “less of me, more of him.” We need to take those words to heart. “And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,”
Hebrews 10:24 NKJV
These Two people changed my life and they have no idea about it! I became the first Christian rapper with an album in Ethiopia and God changed thousands of lives. I wish to thank you in person one day!
It all stems from something! We are a work in progress and God will lead us every step of the way! Thank you Kirk Franklin for sharing your testimony!
The air being let out of the balloon from the start “ is what I live by. I can’t tell you how much that’s helped me today and to understand how God has made me. I’ve had my questions about Kirk Franklin. I’ll tell you today brother Kirk. My heart has changed God bless you and Lecrae .MUCH LUV
Listening to Kirk when I first learned about Jesus is what helped light my fire and determination to get to know and be a part of the Kingdom of the Most High. Songs like Stomp and The Reason Why I sing helped me to transition from worldly music - that was familiar, yet unhealthy - to a genre that I could relate to and help me get to know Christ when I was still concerned about what people would think about my drastic change.
24 years later, I don't always follow what the naysayers are talking about via social media however, I had to stop by to see what was being said about Mr. Franklin. We have to remember that everyone has a part to play when harvesting fruit for the Kingdom. Kirk has a gift to be able to reach the hard to reach fruits. It is through his music we are able to begin exploring all the different artists and genres that gospel music has to offer; like Be Be and Ce Ce or Brandon Lake. So, if he needs a tank top and tight jeans while gardening for God, let him cook! 😜 🙌🏾 I praise God for his obedience to our Heavenly Father. May he continue to be blessed and may his rewards be equivalent to the number of those he has helped to save. ❤
Can't be for Christ and the world.. choose one!
Preach it!!!
That Part!
Amen!
Do you actually know what that means. Most people call that Lukewarm which is also inaccurate.
The "World" means Sin, not going to places or dancing
I’m a mom of a teen girl who I love more than you can know. We adopted her when she was a year from Asia. Hearing Kirk talk about being abandoned breaks my heart on so many levels. I would love to hear some helpful and godly advice as how to best help my child heal from the hurt.
Im here from Uganda after attending the Kingdom World tour..Kirk is a good person..im glad i attended the concert😊
I will be honest, i have had a bad taste in my mouth about him for a while. But after this interview he gained some of my respect back, his heart seems really genuine for the Lord.😊
Kirk made me realize that there was more to Gospel music than Hymns.
True that
Same here 😂
I love both Kirk and Lacrae music and how they transparent bout their walk in faith/life with the rest of us fans. Pls do these sit downs often.
I wish I was back in my country when Kirk recently toured Central Africa
Love from Africa 🇿🇲
There is so much power in being in "secular" spaces..., when they offer you something thats not for you, and you say: "Im good", AND YOU STAY... uuuh... there is power in that, cause they know that different you, and you still decide to fellowship. Thats the start of something. Love it.
Thank you Kirk. The song Lean On Me changed my life. Makes me sob till this day. I grew up with you. This conversation is everything.
Deep conversation. I appreciated the honesty 🙏🏾. Kirk's humility is a breath of fresh air.
I feel for Kirk Franklin’s spirit, deeply. Reading some of these comments alone, I can’t imagine having my own personal walk with God scrutinized, sliced, diced and (mis)interpreted by millions of Christians (and non-Christians) around the world.
Try to consider empathy, Grace and humility before you consider throwing stones. What would we say about you and your Christ-likeness if your every move was broadcast as widely as any famous Gospel celebrity? And if you still feel the burning need to put them down publicly, try praying for them first. We still believing in prayer or just condemnation?🤔
Sadly, it’s reading many of these comments that made me remember why I feel safer and happier away from “Church community”.
Thanks for saying this. Me too, the comments, some at least, are saf to me
@@LisaMichelle but our walk IS SCRUTINIZED......AND SHOULD BE.......HOW ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO WE REPRESENT?
“Empathy” in the way the world perceives lead brothers and sisters to hell. We hold each other accountable and point out faults so that eternal damnation isn’t their portion. The blood is on the hands of them who choose not to speak up that know better. And many people are led astray because of the falsehood as well. So it’s only right we speak up and defend the Gospel as the Lord says to do.
@@Lavellestothis GALATIANS 6:1-4 is the model......not our opinion.
@@frederickweeksjr.1189 what’s my opinion? Everything I just said was scripture. 🤔
Oh this was so good. It’s always great to hear Kirk’s side of the story. Great interview Lecrae!
Thank you Kirk for the song, “Reason why we sing.”
Amen! Gonna play that next.
I grew up with Kirk Franklin and cross movement when 116 clique didn’t exist yet !!
Good for you
Bs
They were all kids then
Cross Movement!!! C to the R to the OSS
@@NilaktheProphet amen
This interview was real and hilarious! The transparency shared needs to be the gold standard in Christian spaces.
The duplicity of “Christians” that Kirk speaks of is disappointing and hurtful for sure, but I know what it often means, for the Lord has told us that not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He says “I never knew you.” So beware and be wise. Many wolves have entered the pen.
Interesting point 🤔. I write Christian music and play piano 🎹. The biggest concern for me is that gospel music today NOT CONCRETE in it's stance whereas older songs were more BIBLICAL in composition. Not saying all the songs are bad,but the writers need to think SCRIPTURAL when writing.
@@frederickweeksjr.1189 A friend of mine and I were just talking about this a few nights ago.
@mlumbra8874 I hear you good brother 🙏
This was so nice, I loved hearing how open he is to critique. So many of us try to duck,dodge and defend but he faces it. I love it!
And most people are getting the spec out of their neighbors eyes missing the plank in their own
Kirk Franklin was the only name I knew attached to gospel music when I was a kid. Stomp! Brighter Day!! The hip hop bop behind the Word!!! 😂 Grateful 🤲🏽💚
Jesus is coming back! Shalom 🇨🇩🇧🇪🇨🇦
Thank you Lecrae. I pray for you both. May the LORD Jesus continue to help you exemplify Him as you as you express the gift He has given you. Continuing to pray❤😃🙏🏾
Why did they only talk about their opinions of what the church does and not what the word of God says about how we must live as follower of Jesus Christ.
Wow! That’s a good questions 🤔
Thank you very much!!!! I was hoping that someone would highlight this 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Find a different interview show if you don't like how they do it.
@@maldictous you are dead in your sins obviously.
@ericwashington7815 dead to sin, yes, and alive to God. No reason to bring your self righteous attitude in here bro. Glad you're living a perfect life though. Keep that up.
Been on the Faith path as teen since 90s I'll tell you that Kirk been instrumental helping me sustain my faith walk since back then. The music the criticize so much is the one that carried me thru not just as a fad but the message in it that appeals to the young people's mind/interest.
I still love Kirk Music, and now my 16yo loves the Lord and Kirk music is also one of his favorite
Love from Africa 🇿🇲
Charles Stanley agreed to not remarry, as long as his wife was alive. That was the condition for him continue pastoring.
💯 correct!!! Mark 10:11-12 Jesus says: Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery. Dr Stanley did exactly what the scripture says should be done I’m glad you made your comment!
When the entire really sad deal with his son happened and I too heard his voice in the same way I have had the hell of an addicted son. We don't wish it on no one. What his son, we pray for didnt see coming was the support so many Christians gave Kirk. We know him, we have been there and it is Hell... But it even helped me a bit because I too have screamed and yelled and cussed too. We heard the pain and we are all human. He has my respect. Love his music.
Two of the most influential gospel artists in my life. Regardless of what people say about them, their work is what I and many others needed.
Thissssss❤❤❤
Agreeeed.... all the way from 🇰🇪
Exactly 💯 💯 🇳🇬🇳🇬
I love Kirk Franklin from the beginning till now! My life is in his hands, Melodies from heaven 🥹 Stomp, Something about the name of Jesus! 🥰🥰
Lecrae watching this my brother a lyric popped in my head from one of your songs..All I Need is You..”You be keeping me cool in the summer when everyone be dressing less and I be wanting to show off and stunt”..I love you my brothers in Christ..I love your music..always have..but be careful..stand on the Word of God and not emotions..not seeing things through a perspective of church hurt or Christians who edified in fleshly ways..the devil is sneaky...Jesus sat with sinners and they walked away as disciples..we as Christians have to find that balance in edifying people in a loving way but still edifying…so much scripture about this..keeping on the armor of God because the devil is out looking for people to devour..and it will be the smallest seed of deceit from the devil that leads to an unfruitful tree..Jesus loves you, I love you..we got to be out here teaching deliverence..Galatians 6:1 “Brothers and Sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted” ❤
But, Jesus didn't do wrong with them. They had to walk with him without sinning. Jesus was guiding them to do God's purpose and learn the laws of God and not the world. They had responsibility in Christ.
@@gogoldiego agreed
I don’t even think some of y’all watched the video…to be quoting “do not be conform to this world” when this conversation had nothing to do with that….or even just shaming him for things he didn’t even say in this video..all I’m gonna say is satan will use a fellow brother to accuse another brother..and also is the accuser of the brother
And you wonder why Christianity is where it is when you defending a married christian minister girating on stage. Cool.
When I tell you I’d really love to meet Kirk because my youngest daughter actually got a chance to meet him in person in Dallas and she says he’s genuinely very kind!
I just recently started embracing the calling The Lord has for me in music, I have a powerful testimony to it but that would be typing too much😂… But this podcast with Kirk really helps me to prepare what The Lord has for me!!
God Bless Lecrae!!
So I just released two of my songs. Personally I don’t be trusting any links sent to me so here’s my artist name and the songs!!
Anthem of Peace By Ixcilus
Calvary By Ixcilus
Go back study the bible don't fall for these people's ideology.. you will see God open windows for you...
Bro Kirk's take on judgment and criticism is so humble and refreshing😭love it. Most Christian artists would be like "I ignore those comments, Christians are judgemental" 😢
People are judgemental..
Christian's aren't exempt.
That's the best way to say that, instead singling out Christian's. Unbelievers I know are way more hypocritical and judgmental than Christian's I know. That's my personal experience.
Honestly I feel like ignoring the comments is the best approach because Christians are still people and most of the time the those that decide to judge might not judge purely Any way I love Uncke Kirk.
I loved this so much. This probably has to be my favorite interview. Growing up listening to KF and then being able to sit and hear his heart & wisdom was enjoyable. ♥️
Enjoyed this interaction of an interview ❤thanks
The deep end is literally one of my favorite songs by Lecrae amazing that he named his podcast this
This interview is healing 🙏
The Church is not as condemning as we all claim. When Stanley got divorced people were holding him accountable because he said if he ever divorced he would step down from pastoring.
Kirk literally hosts a very ungodly dating show, I believe he was the main reason Mav City fell too...Kirk is a wolf.
Coz I’m guessing you know the depths and breaths and heights of the love of God stops for him specifically coz YOU called him a wolf?? MAY god forgive you
Right , I don’t think his words are matching with his actions. This is the same man who said “ the lion and the lamb will bow down to the goat” in a freestyle.
Completely agree! But when you're used to fame and money despite how " humble" you appear, your character and fruits show the root.
Facts
What dating show?
Oh and THANK YOU KIRK so much for validating my mothering for my son. Thank you so much. I am almost crying.
interesting how Lecrae referred to the way Kurt dresses, but Kurt first said if people criticize my dancing, it’s never been the way he dresses. It’s the way he dances up there very sensual and provocative that is irresponsible as a believer. Lecrae did not address that portion, which is the main portion.
My life was shaped by both these guys so I'm loving this long awaited conversation 😂👏👏👏 And I've felt every bit of what you guys are talking about 😅
This interview was so good! The way you had Kirk laughing was so beautiful to see. It was a good glimpse into the relationship you two have, and you could tell he’s comfortable around you.
Amazing conversation! Thank you for keeping it REAL and glorifying JESUS. God bless you both❤️
I'm glad you made this video, it reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, honest wife, $75k biweekly and a good daughter full of love ❤️
I'm inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned
@@JennyWagginsIt's Christina Ann Tucker doing she's changed my life. A BROKER- like her is what you need.
I raised 75k and Christina Ann Tucker is to be thanked. I got my self my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her. Christina A. Tucker is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!
Wow 😱 I know her too
Miss Christina Ann Tucker is a remarkable individual who has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life.
I started with a miserly $1500. The results have been mind blowing I must say TBH
Great interview!! It's amazing how I could identify with Kirk Franklin life as a Christian growing up! The real blessing is knowing God loves us and can use our downfalls as a testimony. Blessings Lacrea this was a real one!! ✌🏾🧡
I love when he said, I want to be corrected! Saaaame Kirk!!! Don't just say it behind my back to your friends, say it kindly to me, I care about how I'm representing Jesus in front of others. Lets normalize helping each other up kindly.
This was an awesome conversation. Very authentic and transparent.
Let’s get connected to Jesus. ❤
And stay connected to His Word amen
This podcast has really helped me to understand better what these guys go through. I was so excited to see that this had Kirk in it, cause I heard of the controversy and didn't hear his side. Thank you both for being open! God Bless!!!
That's true Kirk, too many people judge Kirk like he's supposed to be perfect. . They go vehemently at him, this doesn't help anyone. Thanks Lecrae for this interview and Kirk thank you for being you.
People have stones bros
They are not perfect but expect kirk to be perfect
It's okay to preach the true gospel but not to judge
@@Mweemba1 yeah, we are to have righteous judgement, not hyper critical judgement. Let's drop the rocks!
Doesn't Matt 5:48 tell us to be perfect?
@@ooniel594 how do you be perfect. When God says there is none righteous, no not one.
@@karlinwilliamson9329 I would assume Paul's words aren't a contradiction of what Jesus said. So those two separate statements must not conflict with one another. What do you think Jesus meant?
This was such a wonderful and neccessary conversation. It was hilarious too! 😊❤
Big bro Lil Bro conversation we all should have. This was definitely a treat to the community. Love 🫶🏽
Father God,
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In The Mighty Name Of Jesus Christ,
I pray 🙏🙏🙏🙏 4 Justice & Judgement 4 Christian from all denominations 4 Your Glory & 4 Your Kingdom Come Here In Earth As It Is In Heaven.
Amen.
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He misinterprets Romans 7 to justify his worldly behavior.He loves money and the limelight that goes with it…if you love the world and anything in it,the love of God isn’t perfected in you!
What a refreshing and honest comment. Too many yes people over here. We need to really call things for what they are
Period!!
Pray for him.
@@a8b23 Do you know how many people have prayer for him and others spoke to him from far or near?Many.He has to make a choice to be on the side of the Lord because he knows better.
How do you interpret Romans 7?
I am so happy y'all talked about walking with Jesus and being single. Finally!!
I appreciate this convo. I wish this was closer to the conversations Christians could have with each other as far as the realness and honesty instead of talking points being used to degrade others.
I just love Kirk's voice. Everything he says sounds like he's preaching, and I love it.
Great interview! I really enjoyed this! Much love to both of you! God bless you both and your families!🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
8:40 Amen 🙏 Kirk made a difference and engaged GODS children with the body of Christ 🙌🏾 I thank GOD for making him a victorious vessel 🙏
so cool to see such a pioneer be so humble. This conversation is so balanced it's both heartwrenchin and lighthearted
Really enjoyed the show. Have a whole new respect for Kirk. Lecrae you are doing your thing.
Lecrae you killing the podcast game with these appearances, conversations and guest. Love it ❤ Love Kirk
"In the church, we have made marriage synonymous with salvation...marriage is not a prerequisite for God's hand on your life." This! 💥💥
I am EX-CI-TED for this interview!!!! 👀👂🏾🍿🍿
If you think he dancing crazy, think of David, dancing his clothes off before people, but ain't feeling ashamed. He wasn't dancin to receive complements from the crowd/fans, but dancing to acknowledge the God who gave him the energy and muscle to move his body left n right
David was dancing before God not people … David’s enthusiasm and energy towards the lord caused his clothing to come lose so he became naked but his dancing was before the lord 😊
Ehhh listen none of us has arrived. We are yet being sanctified. Yes we have an obligation to spur each other on toward righteousness; but we spend too much time trying to remove the speck out of others' eye when we have PLANKS in our own. Come on saints, let's PRAY for one another to do better AND OURSELVES!!!! I love Kirk!
For your knowledge, we are already sanctified by the sacrifice that Jesus did, your actions and your mind not be sanctified but it’s going to be renewed gradually by the renewed by the word of God,,,you are not going to be sanctified by your moral and actions because you are already sanctified
🔥episode!!! Appreciate you brothers!!
This is such an honest interview that we need to hear.
I love this man so much. What a blessing to the body of Christ.❤❤
I was not raised in the church and when i became christian leaving the world behind was part of my walk. I couldnt have one foot in amd one foot out.i trued it that way and i was miserable mixing the 2.
Thank you for having this conversation
I grew up listening to Kirk and I have been a fan of Lecrae since he came out in 2004 I appreciate you Kirk Franklin and Lecrae
This is sooo good. ❤ you brothers are hilarious and this conversation is so edifying to me. Love you both.
Caught his convo with Tim Ross on the Basement, and mahn! I feel bad for him. It's definitely hard being a Christian in public...these Christians sure hit at their own hard!. 😢😢 All those saying oh he interacts with non-Christians and collabos with them and ministers in their events...please explain how you believe Jesus as Savior yet He was crucified with thieves🤔
Yes that was an amazing conversation.
That has no correlation though
@@socb5642 you think so? Jesus should have chosen anywhere else to be crucified, just like "Christians" want Christians to choose where to do ministry. Or aren't both scenarios about communicating God and all He is?
@@LornaNjosh-cc8ns Ofc Jesus came for sinners(all of us basically) but what I am saying is loving rebuke is good(I am not talking about kirk but generally) you can hang out with worldly people but you must not act like them.
@@socb5642 and my problem is, why are we constatntly rebuking? Like, is there never a reason, room or need to encourage, applaud and support those shining the light of Jesus in dark places? Why is rebuke ALWAYS more than applaud? Why is the first instinct always to find fault?🤷♀️
Met Kirk a few times and he was very kind and down to earth
A very profound Conversation with The Pioneer Iconic Legendary Gospel Spiritual Global Universal 🌍 Superstar 🎹Dr.Kirk Franklin 🎹🏆 Genius Grammy Awards 🏆👑 King Kirk 👑 Franklin and outstanding Gospel superstar Singer and Host ⭐ Lacrae⭐ continued success with positive dialogue about the spiritual word of 🙌🎵 Gospel Platinum Music 🎶🙌 ⭐Dr.Dixon⭐❤️❤️❤️😊
A very needed conversation! 23:25 got real... I mean, the whole thing was real. But... you feel me. Dealing with the root of bitterness is a necessity when the church be buggin like that regularly. Thank you for being who you are.