The ULTIMATE MX-5 NC Suspension. MeisterR Clubrace.
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- Finally installing my Miata MX-5 mk3 coilovers. These are Meisterr Clubrace coilovers and are designed for a very sticky rubber and are best suited for track applications. 10kg/mm springs on the front and 6kg/mm on the rear.
0:00 Start
0:53 Fitting
9:33 Reveal
10:26 Driving impressions
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Congrats on the progress, Dom. You've waited a while for this. Looking forward to getting more of your subjective impressions of changes in the driving experience. Good pace on the video. A pleasure to follow along. Thanks.
We did this too to ours, your verdict of "this is how it SHOULD feel" was verbatim what we said and it is great to do the things you can to the car yourself, which is a lot when you have a mate that shares the passion/ car. Great videos, thanks,.
Great video! Literally fitted my meister ZetaCRDs on Tuesday and I love them!
Definitely looking forwards to your rust prevention treatment video as I definitely need to do mine.
Fab stuff, best money I ever spent was on Meister R, track fun was amazing, it’ll settle in a few weeks, but I loved it, money well spent, enjoy. I sprayed mine with ACF-50, keeps them nice and clean/easy to clean.
looks so much better, nice job
Great video Dom!
You got a good friend there! Buy him a good dinner and some beers after that!
Exactly what I was thinking. Nice collaboration. Dave seems to know his stuff. Have been considering coilovers for my 2009 NCFL - but it's already firm, not sure I need more. All the best, Rob in Switzerland.
Nice work! They'll be firm. I put 9s and 4.5s on mine (the local place's advice) and yeah it was a scalpel but just too hard to DD. 6s on the front balanced it out with 17s, Michelin Pilot Sports and Federal 595s. I kept the front 9s and got rear 6s for future track work.
Nice upgrade chaps!
Replaced my rear ARB drop links a few months back. Resorted to using a hacksaw and angle grinder 🤣
Nicely done, I’ve done 2 track days with my coilovers on. With the right alignment they become very fast and fun. I have worse tyres than yours and still handles brilliantly.
Hunter alignment is booked 🤘
Got a new set of meisters for mine & plenty of other goodies, had them on a previous nb & nc they're epic.
Was the test drive near Holmes Chapel ?
Great video, very interesting. Looking forwards to many more projects on your car. You would never be able to do these projects without Dave, is he an engineer.
Don’t give Dave too much credit, I tell him what to say.. 😂 Only joking.
Love the look of the car now. I thought that coil overs were supposed to offer about the same ride as stock shocks.
Good stuff. Something I intend to do this to my NC (Nearly identical to yours) but I am responsible for transporting an elderly relative atm, and as such, if the car was even lower, she'd never get in or out !!! :)
in running out of people that are willing to get in mine! 🚘😂☕️
Love the look but I daily my MX-5 and at the moment it actually rides better than the other half's Fiesta. If I did this my commute would become pure misery haha!
I was shocked how smooth the ride is for a little sports car. I had an old 2005 Ibiza FR (diesel one) which crashed around everywhere before!
I wouldn’t do this on a commuter car either. It’ll be unbearably harsh haha. Ah interesting! It also seems to attract more attention now it’s lowered.. which you don’t want on a daily either!
Amazing! I've been waiting for this video for a long time! What tyres are you getting? I just put the Goodyear asymmetric 5 on my 2012 NC and they are fantastic... 380 quid total
Me too! Glad you liked it. Not 100% on tyres yet in all honesty! Probably going a track semi slick but not sure on sizes yet.
@@CarThought that makes sense I forgot you don't daily drive the mx5, so track focussed tyres would be sensible. I would love to track the car one day but I'm a bit put off by the up front costs of new brakes + rotors, half the life of my tyres, and additional insurance etc... if you don't mind answering, how much would you say it costs in total for a track day between the cost of consumables on the car and insurance/cost of the track day?
Great video! I’m about to fit ClubRace to my NC so it’s handy to see how you did it.
What ride height did you go for in the end? 330/340mm? Mines 90% track use and only driven on the road to get to circuits so wondering how low is reasonable.
Think I did 340mm front, 340mm rear overall or very close to! Blink motorsport set the car up not long after this video and they raised the front to match the rear. I think the rear was maxed out at 340mm, wouldn’t go any higher from memory!
Looks mad👍 thinking of getting mine done next year, you need to change them tyres 🤔
Haha do it! I do indeed! ☕️
When I fitted yellow dot rx8 ARBs front and rear I ended up just sawing off the end links and fitting new ones.. much quicker..
did you get remote adjusters for the rear meisters? Makes adjusting them a lot easier..
good video as always..
Thanks Simon! Yeah I’ve got all new adjustable ones now. I didn’t, but the boot trim won’t be going back in so I won’t really need the adjusters! Great little design though ☕️
im getting my bilsteins replaced too on my NC with Tein coilovers. my car has knocking noises coming from almost every corner now , the bilsteins have just had it.. good time to replace them and lower the car at the same time. i'll be paying someone to install them though, i dont have the time to do this myself, and im sure I'd break something too haha
in New Zealand i need to get an official certification to have coilovers though, which costs about 350 pounds. coilovers arent permitted here without this.
Sounds like a plan! Yeah it’s strange how different countries have different rules. Some states in the USA seem to be the most relaxed. ☕️
Hi, can I ask did you have the car on axle stands when you raised the suspension to torque up the bolts? I have the same dilemma, done the front coilovers and got to do the rears now
What I did: With the car on stands. Put a trolley jack underneath the hub you’re working on and jack it up until the car starts to lift slightly off the stand on that corner, and then torque. This simulates the weight of the car on that corner.
Would you say that these on the softest setting are ok on road? Also did you find an increase in road noise because of the spherical bearing top mounts? Trying to decide between these and the CRDs
Way comfier than standard dampers for me on the softest setting. My next video I have a POV drive with them on soft, so you’ll be able to see how harsh they are. There is a crossover between the CRD’s and Clubrace in damping rates, so a CRD on the harshest setting will crossover with a Clubrace on a softer setting.
No on the road noise, improvement all round, but my stock bilsteins were 14 years old so they weren’t exactly in tip top condition. Hope this helps?
If you aren’t sure I’d recommend emailing Jerrick at Meister R, they are very helpful
Ah that’s great thanks. I wanted to get them but didn’t want to regret it if it was going to be too noisy and crashy. They will be for road and track with semi slick tyres. That has made my mind up, I will be buying them! Cheers
Do you use these on a daily driver? Are they ok for the street or are they only for track use for you mostly? Thanks
I would say it depends on your commute/strength of your spine. Fully soft they’re fine for most roads. Probably better than stock. But if it’s mainly a road car, you’d be better off with the CRDs. The softest setting on the clubrace is the same as the hardest setting on the CRDs ✌️
Nice job! Is that the stock wheel fitment too or have you added spacers?
Still on stock wheels, wider wheels will be coming soon 💪 No spacers.☕️
@@CarThought Nice, I shall look forward to the resulting video 👌👍
Nice video, just out of interest what made you go for the Clubrace and not the ZetaCRD than most people go for?
The clubrace fit much more with where my vision sits for this car. It’s used as a weekender and will be doing more and more track days when things open up again next year. ☕️
+ they’re only £80 more
Is this the lowest setting ride height wise? If not, how much extra did you have to go lower? I’ve got an NA but i’m sure they’re similar coilovers
It wasn’t the lowest setting on the fronts no, but can’t have been far off. The rears were as low as they could go. The car was raised slightly on the front end by BBR when it had the race alignment to get rid of the rake. I think you’d struggle with getting over literally anything if you went much lower on the front, it would be almost un-drivable. I know I had to plan routes and if there was an unexpected speed bump.. you’d have to turn round 😂
I would love to do this on my NC. Have you had problems with the ride height ie potholes or speed bumps?
None whatsoever. Ride height is totally adjustable, with quite a bit of room to lift the front if you wish. That’s one of the benefits of the coilovers over a lowering spring, the adjustability.
Was the rust in the rear arches, the sill end panels by any chance? I mentioned this about 6 months ago, it's the first place you need to look on a MX5 NC. Hope it's not too serious.
Indeed, think it’s because I stored it outside for 18 months so it made it worse
@@CarThought It's caused by two things, the fact that they don't rust-proof it from factory, it's just a thin coat of paint, also the fabric liners in the inner arch that suppress noise, these hold water and cause rust to start. If it's not too far gone, I would hammerite it (3 coats), then spray it with underbody protection and let it dry thoroughly before re-installing the liners. Can't understand why they fit the fabric liners, plastic would be better. Mines a 2010, managed to catch it with only light surface rust, no problem. My previous one was a 2006 and it was rusted through on both sides, despite being a very low mileage car.
Well done Guys, they do ride much better than the stock Mazda 4x4 with a 30mm lower, Dom how much of a struggle was the side skirt to remove? looking forward to the future video ;)
Pretty fiddly, some of the clips did break which was a pain! This link might help!
forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=408680&fbclid=IwAR3vwYsGcyyvgocIgLarvuISrb36zISwcBInVjdlv5MEzz-CkHveOajLhG8
Thanks Dom, I have seen that diagram before and it does look a right pain to do.
How do you get the side skirt off without breaking it? I want to check behind mine for rust but gave up after I nearly broke it.
Same
This link and diagram might help. Full disclosure, I broke some clips.
forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=408680&fbclid=IwAR3vwYsGcyyvgocIgLarvuISrb36zISwcBInVjdlv5MEzz-CkHveOajLhG8
@@CarThought thank you for the link.
Ohlin DFVs going on mine
Very nice! £££ have to meet on a track and see how they do!
@@CarThought the cat's been tracked many times on Koni & BBR springs, very quick as it does bang out circa 270 bhp but find current set up crashy on road, DFV should resolve this whilst keeping crashiness down. Also running RB ARBs tight. Your geo is key to yhe ultimate feel and handling of the car. A raw post fit drive with no geo set up does no justice to how your car will feel, handle, grip.
Once this has been done a video will have significant worth, raw isn't a great model.
Not criticism but good knowledge from a decade and a half working with MX5s.
Q: How did you remove the seal cover?
Seal cover?
@@CarThought 38 seconds
Oh SILL cover!
forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=408680
Buy some replacement clips before you start 👍
@@CarThought Thank you... Much appreciated
I take it these coilovers are fine just for road use too?
How do you mean mate?
@@CarThought hi, thanks for the reply, you hear people saying that coilovers aren't great for just everyday road use ( I'm not one of those people) but in your opinion are coilovers fine for everyday driving?
I don’t daily drive my car but I have done 160 miles (2x 80 mile trips) with the dampers on full soft and it rides better than my old stock bilsteins did. Lots of people daily the Zeta CRD versions from meister as they’re more of a road orientated coilover. The club race are designed for a stickier tyre. Hope this helps?
Is there really bad rust on the nc ?
There can be! Depends on the life it’s had. Mines an early NC1. Worth checking though! ☕️
@@CarThought thank you ! Love the video 😉
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The question is what set would be perfect for road use only 🙄
This would be Tein Flex Z, BC Racing, Meister R ZETA CRD or eibach lowering springs. Not used them myself but have heard good things. ☕️
I bought the TEIN flex Z, mounting them next week :)
😮⏰️ How long?!
🔧🔦🤣👍🏻
I underestimated those sway bar end links! Haha
Ah! The old MX5 drop link 20 minute....sorry, 2 hour job.
Wow that rust does not look fun. Why are countries still insisting on using salt instead of alternative chemicals
Ohlins would be the ultimate, not these shit things.
How so? Ohlins re-use the top mount on the DFV’s.. which is for TUV approval, but ultimately reduces the quality of the coilover.
Also a sweeping statement like that is nonsense without discussing applications. What sort of driving do you do? What tyre have you got fitted?
Both set ups use a dual perch design, Ohlins DFV run:
7kg/mm front springs.
4kg/mm rear springs.
MeisterR run:
10 kg/mm + Helper Springs front.
6 kg/mm + Helper Springs rear.
So in spring rate alone, the MeisterR is superior for track driving on a sticky tyre. How are the Ohlins superior?
@@CarThought you honestly need me to tell you how ohlins are better? 😂
I thought that’s what you were doing..? 😂
Also please don’t go on Google and copy stuff. I read almost every article over the 2 years before making my decision to buy the MeisterR’s including speaking to Jerrick at MeisterR and describing my usage and needs before purchasing mine. But like I’ve said.. it depends on lots of factors, which is why your statements don’t really make sense.