Rakim said it best in ‘88 “Don't understand? Here's an example On why MCs and DJs sample 'Cause we don't have a band, it's just my voice and his hands That's what hip-hop was, it still stands The records we use are from mom and pop's collection Find a break from a dope selection And go to the store, then buy one more So my DJ can mix 'cause that's what his hands are for”
Or when Kane said "We sample beats, you sue and try to fight us Man, you still be home with arthritis! If we didn't revive em, bring back alive Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive You'd be another memory to us Ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
@champagnelp4243 yeah but it is lazy, sloppy work. If you wrote a hit and then 20 years later some one hit wonder samples you. Youd feel a little like, what the fuck man?
@@KjtheGreatProlong as i’m paid, i couldn’t care less. art is alot more about what u get out of it rather than what i put into it in my opinion. the fact u can hear my song that i had my own intentions with and completely flip it to how you perceive my sounds is beautiful, it’s like my arts having kids. music isn’t always business, i wish ppl understood that.
Samples keep old music alive.. if it weren’t for samples I would not love Hip Hop music, if It weren’t for samples I wouldn’t know who Labi Siffre is, I wouldn’t know most the 60s music I listen to everyday, I wouldn’t know most the 70s music I know… the problem I have with sample, is when they let the mumble rappers with no voice “rap” on a song with an amazing sample, that’s disrespectful to the artist you sampled from.. stop allowing the trash mumble rappers with no voice and nothing to say rap on a sampled beat.. if you can’t match the greatness of the artist you are sampling from, then you’re disrespecting that other artist
If someone made a drawing and tore it apart into tiny pieces then glued it back together into something similar or completely different, it is still ART.
One reason Hip-Hop is my favorite genre of music is because it got me into so many other genres through sampling, if it wasn't for hip-hop I probably would be as into jazz as I am, funk, and a lot of individual musicians from which I liked a sample so much I had to hear the source material. I don't even get mad at the people who say hip-hop is uncreative and unoriginal for sampling, but I can't stand it when someone claims producers and rappers "steal" beats besides a few rare instances where royalties weren't paid, I know these people don't know what they're talking about when they don't know that samples have to be cleared and royalties have to paid and besides a few tight ass musicians and their estates, most of them don't care and appreciate it especially if it's produces something good and they get their royalties.
Just watch a j Dilla doc, if any one can't see the skill they are ignorant. Sampling is like being an editor or conductor. It takes an ear and an understanding of arrangement. Not just some long format loop. But cutting , rearranging, layering etc.
That dude didn’t even make sense He says you’re putting people like him out of work right after he was told he hires people, like him, to play the guitar for him
That was an obvious critique of the mostly wrong, yet existing issue that producers only copy-paste and edit music, which, according to that guy, doesn't need instrument players and drives them out of their jobs. In reality, producers are always in need of this one sound that they can't find anywhere else and will get to instrument players.
Oh yeah, what about albums like midnight marauders, the chronic, good kid maad city and to pimp a butterfly, hell even the wu's first album had live instrumentation, if the asr 10, sp1200 and mpc aren't instruments, then what is then?
@@jonathanhughes2199 which is so bizarre to me, RZA has a unique voice and in the 90s was a very different type of cat, he created THE sounds and for like 5 years straight he was almost exclusively producing everything for the Wu. I wonder was it too hard to cast for? Or they just didn't really try
that's really funny they put this in the show; this interaction is why RZA's production (to some) went to absolute shit past the 90's. a damn shame because he of all people should know that sampling is an art just as playing music is. oh well, i like some Bobby Dig shit
@@FiveDORRAHaving an opinion about something isn't really criticism. Rap is music, whether you believe it is or not, and if you're gonna get mad over a little clap back to your opinion, then you need to touch some grass, fam. Rap follows music theory, but to some, it's more akin to Spoken Word, which you could argue isn't music but poetry. What I just did? That's criticism.
@@anarchistponcho8689Nah thats constructive criticism/critique. Criticism is still criticism when some random dude thinks something sucks. Thats why its called a "critical opinion"
A master producer can sample and chop any musicians song into multiple dope beats. Unrecognizable and rearranged over chopped up breakbeats. Most if not all successful producers also play instruments and DJ also.
the path to music mastery takes many different roads. creativity and making music that speaks to people's soul is what matters. HIP HOP is a way that youths in the inner city carved out to escape an oppresive environment and a lack of ressources. graffiti = using the environment to create art / break dancing = using your body to stay fit / hip hop - djing = using whatever equipment you have to create music without having instruments or music theory lessons. this form of expression has taken over the world. you can start with sampling it will lead you on a journey where you will discover many genres of music, open your mind and expand your taste and appreciation. I started with sampling, collecting records then moved to jazz and I am now learning music theory via the piano. I have a whole new level of appreciation not just for jazz giants and their legacy but also for the heroes of my youth: Peter Rock - DITC - Primo and also more recent producers Dilla - Madlib - Alc - DOOM etc... enjoy the journey and remember that: " If you can't pull it, all ya gotta do is Push it along, push it along"
yeah thats the whole point i just dont get. most Hip-Hop beats were made from samples. if there was no sampling it would literally just be bum tss tss for every single beat.
Dude here looked like Popa Wu. At first, i thought that was the direction they were going for since he said he did like his records, but nope, he jus a lowkey hater OG 😂😭
Can the dude hating even really play an instrument good. They shoulda had Rza put him on the spot. I mean they added extra stuff to the wu story shoulda had rza hand him the guitar 😂😂
As a Wu fan I literally can not watch this show, its corny and this guy playing RZA is actually terrible!! Looks nothing like him and sounds like a robot when he talks and respectfully they should have gave ODBs son some acting lessons and let him play his dad
How many people listend to Do for love after hearing it from Pac, or Weak at the Knees from Dre like my guy they were the first generation of rappers they didnt have anyone else other than themselves like with what RUN DMC would do
@@NeoAndersonChannel1 That’s a matter of opinion. If you can only play one or two instruments your talent is limited to that degree. Playing an instrument is a physical act, while producing music is mental. Then you have artists that play instruments and produce…
in that case, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald and thousands of others are not musicians either. Ignorance is alive and well in this world@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent.
The thing about lotta old rock dudes is they don't even like innovative rock music or rock music that tries anything new they themselves are still stuck on classic rock (or whatever era they grew up in) and think thats peak music but then they want to talk about other genres of music when they don't even embrace new things in their own music. Boring old boomers. Don't listen to them.
I swear people watched this and wanted violence not an actual saga on how wutang was created this show was for the fans and rza knew that he made it in his styles
That wasn't the argument the OG in this was making though. He didn't condemn Rap as not being music. He was specifically claiming that sampling doesn't make you a musician. He is wrong, of course. It takes a different KIND of skill, for sure. But it really isn't much different than claiming that a film editor isn't a director or screenwriter.
@@NaptownClassic Correct, it's a different kind of skill. Adrian Younge said it in a panel discussion some years ago...Those who are good at it (sampling), are musicians and the sampler is their instrument...
Unfortunately, music is treated like a job rather than an actual art (yay economics). You don't _have_ to learn how to play the instruments you are lifting, sampling, what have you. And fighting over who is a "real" musician just invalidates somebody else's work bc of short-sightedness. Snobbery doesnt get you anywhere either, bc you think you're better than someone based on an arbritarily valued skill someone else can dunk on you for. Sampling is instrumentation, but in a new way. Learn how to sample is a skill much like learning the guitar. A controller IS an instrument, full stop. You build your knowledge of music theory using a sampler/controller, and theory is also part of culture too. Hip hop from Black musicians/producers came from urban life, social situations, discrimination, prejudice, generational trauma... but also values coming from your family and those surrounding you. Paying musicians to play on your project is also an industry standard. Session work is a real and valid thing to do, and some famous musicians are/were/did session work. And without hip hop, sampling wouldnt have been used and widespread. Just another way to do music. Both the geezer and RZA are musicians. Not one or the other.
"That's not RZA" and "this not real Wu" my brother in christ, RZA created the show. I blame it on him and the producers, I think he focused too much on the wrong things getting this show to the finish line. Ashton Sanders is not some bum actor, this sounds like he's being forced to deliver the lines how a director wants not like he just sucks at playing the character.
"Hip-hop is not made up from scratch. The music, and the foundation of the music of hip-hop, comes from records that we found in our parents' crates, you know what I mean? Old funk and soul grooves. We've given new life to artists like james brown and isaac hayes and sly and the family stone and george clinton and parliament and funkadelic, and so many other groups, because we rapping over they beats, okay? So hip-hop didn't invent anything, but hip-hop reinvented everything."
Yeah, because freestyling isn't from scratch at all right. Rap didn't just start. Who cares what you think honestly. Yall always hating in some shape form or fashion
*HORRIBLE ARGUMENT* 1st: dude doesn't WANT to b a "real" musician 2nd: how many records u sell or how much money u got doesn't make u a real musician either 3rd: how tf does it keep that guy out of business? nothin's stopin ol head from makin music or playin it 4th: listen to Daft Punks Discovery n tell me that samplin isn't creative n artistic af
One of the reasons so many people complain about music now, and not just older people, a lot of younger people, is because so many people have left behind "real" musicianship. Repetitive loops and artificial perfect timing taking over music, makes a lot of the music sound dead (which doesn't mean it sounds bad. Music isn't so disposable now just because there's a plethora of it and streaming makes for easy access, it's disposable because a lot musicianship has been lost, especially within Black America, which has always been the true innovative force in music for the last 100 plus years.
@@SamHoodie3k only "real" musicians care about musicianship, artists only care about what sounds good n what makes em feel good, musicianship is something most music artists dgaf about n the same with fans
@@eva_pilot It the music becomes less good because of it. Even if fans don't know they care about it, they do, which is why music is so much more disposable now. Same with singing, same with rapping. As the skills diminish people care less, and they spend less, which means music artists get paid less, and those artists are seeing their pockets dry up right now.
@@SamHoodie3k music becomin "less good" is subjective, musicianship doesn't automatically make good music, artists will always make good music n also u thinkin it's more disposable is also subjective, u need to get out more, music is changin whether u like it or not n just cuz artists don't play guitar doesn't mean thr music doesn't sound good
@@eva_pilotits a fact that music has gotten more disposable. Just look at how much faster songs nowadays drop of the billboard top 100. That's proof that people are not listening to songs for as long as they use to so the songs are disposed of quicker. The fact people aren't listening to songs as long as they used to also proves that the music isn't as good.
Love Wu Tang , but this show looks like its AI generated. Also I started loving soul because of rap samples , just like many others - so thank you RZA and others for introducing us to that music
@@corvus8638 ah I completely got it wrong. Gotta use my brain more. thanks for letting me know! Would you say the series is worth watching? Maybe I'll check it out at some point
The funny thing is the artist formerly known as Prince would also tell him that he is not a musician he wouldn't be hating on him but he'll just be saying its a matter of fact that you are not a musician.
@@goon009 Yes it does. You may not be a _professional_ athlete, which just means you get paid, but if you play a sport, and you take it seriously (meaning you train and condition yourself) and are athletic…you’re an athlete. By definition, an athlete is someone who is proficient in sports. Not that high of a bar to pass. By your narrow-minded rationale, someone like J Dilla isn’t a musician, despite making some of the most influential music of the past 25 years. By your rationale, the entirety of Kraftwerk aren’t musicians, despite making some of the most influential music of the past 50 years. Just because these artists don’t use conventional instruments it doesn’t mean that they don’t create. Hell, even The Beatles were using samples to create original songs every time they used their Mellotron.
They spent soooo much time slow rolling the first season they had to rush the second season. Too bad. I think RZA thought he would get at least 4 seasons and by the time he found out that wasn't going to be the case it was too late.
Even though it's a show, I understand hating on samples, old heads growing up in the 70s and seeing all their classics being put on rap. Especially black music from the 90s onwards that have less than ideal messaging. (When I was younger producing, I literally had a folder with maybe 10000 different samples, so like, y'know. Just playing the other side but I totally get it)
I think there's nothing wrong with sampling but I do think that real composers / performers should get more respect. even though making beats is a serious craft and all, and maybe the same level of artistry if done really well, but it's just not the same in terms of depth.
@@morrisalanisette9067 No it isn't! Not even close! There is a huge difference between Teddy Reilly, Jimmy Jam vs Kanye and RZA! Pep[le like Teddy Reilly create chords, melodies, base lines! While RZA and Kanye sample the melodies, basslines, chords and other shit real composers create!
yeah but they are still composers there's just less complexity with music theory. to me producers who use samples is kind of like collage artist compared to painters. But keep in mind many producers aren't just using samples especially nowadays. Also a lot of producers are actually bonafide musicians but they just make beats because there is no incentive to 'whip it out' so to speak. It's not the 70s nobody wants to hear a key solo or complex structures. It kinda sucks but thats how it is @@rbrivers1731
It's kinda contradictory to say to someone that they are not real musicians but then say they enjoyed some of their tracks, wu tang never claimed to be musicians, they are rappers and producers, and that's just another way of seeing it, if beethoven or mozart could hear what the "real" jazz musicians played, they would probably say that's not real music either, this is just a generational cycle, and it keeps happening nowadays.
I don’t think it’s the same. I think the classical artists would find the use of chords in jazz interesting. Without artists there’s nothing to sample.
Rakim said it best in ‘88 “Don't understand? Here's an example
On why MCs and DJs sample
'Cause we don't have a band, it's just my voice and his hands
That's what hip-hop was, it still stands
The records we use are from mom and pop's collection
Find a break from a dope selection
And go to the store, then buy one more
So my DJ can mix 'cause that's what his hands are for”
Or when Kane said
"We sample beats, you sue and try to fight us
Man, you still be home with arthritis!
If we didn't revive em, bring back alive
Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive
You'd be another memory to us
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
I said It best when I said "rap is not music, it's just some guy talking over music" the cringiest rap is the new York stuff,
Yeah I get it but that doesn’t make it right no matter how you rap it
@@duderistdude6466 excuses!
If people flipping samples puts you out of business you're not a good musician either lol
said perfectly.
@champagnelp4243 yeah but it is lazy, sloppy work. If you wrote a hit and then 20 years later some one hit wonder samples you. Youd feel a little like, what the fuck man?
@@KjtheGreatPro no I wouldn't, I'm actually a musician myself, I'd be happy if someone sampled my work, as long as I get my royalties.
@@KjtheGreatProlong as i’m paid, i couldn’t care less. art is alot more about what u get out of it rather than what i put into it in my opinion. the fact u can hear my song that i had my own intentions with and completely flip it to how you perceive my sounds is beautiful, it’s like my arts having kids. music isn’t always business, i wish ppl understood that.
Samples keep old music alive.. if it weren’t for samples I would not love Hip Hop music, if It weren’t for samples I wouldn’t know who Labi Siffre is, I wouldn’t know most the 60s music I listen to everyday, I wouldn’t know most the 70s music I know… the problem I have with sample, is when they let the mumble rappers with no voice “rap” on a song with an amazing sample, that’s disrespectful to the artist you sampled from.. stop allowing the trash mumble rappers with no voice and nothing to say rap on a sampled beat.. if you can’t match the greatness of the artist you are sampling from, then you’re disrespecting that other artist
Well said
💯
If someone made a drawing and tore it apart into tiny pieces then glued it back together into something similar or completely different, it is still ART.
It's like kensugi
Great analogy!
One reason Hip-Hop is my favorite genre of music is because it got me into so many other genres through sampling, if it wasn't for hip-hop I probably would be as into jazz as I am, funk, and a lot of individual musicians from which I liked a sample so much I had to hear the source material.
I don't even get mad at the people who say hip-hop is uncreative and unoriginal for sampling, but I can't stand it when someone claims producers and rappers "steal" beats besides a few rare instances where royalties weren't paid, I know these people don't know what they're talking about when they don't know that samples have to be cleared and royalties have to paid and besides a few tight ass musicians and their estates, most of them don't care and appreciate it especially if it's produces something good and they get their royalties.
they steal, and they steal because they cant do it themselves, deal with it
@tommybillyjack5051 Innovation is often born out of restriction and necessity
Hip hop is lame and always will be, it's easily my worst genre
@@FiveDORRA why the fuck you watching a hip hop video if you hate it so much then 🤔🤣
@@FiveDORRA Listen to Sing about me then
Sampling is an art form in itself
It is there’s this group on Facebook that breaks down the samples used in the songs. How it’s separated, slowed down, sped up, rearranged that’s skill
if you cant play an instrument it makes sense that sampling would seem artistic to you
Taking a dump is considered artwork too
Just watch a j Dilla doc, if any one can't see the skill they are ignorant. Sampling is like being an editor or conductor. It takes an ear and an understanding of arrangement. Not just some long format loop. But cutting , rearranging, layering etc.
@@madkrixna also I tell anyone who doesn't believe it is an art form to listen to Entroducing by DJ Shadow a sample masterpiece
That dude didn’t even make sense
He says you’re putting people like him out of work right after he was told he hires people, like him, to play the guitar for him
Nah he said “he could hire someone” to play it for him if he wanted to hear it- but doesn’t need it.
"I could hire someone"
"Yeah problem is you don't"
The reply makes sense, he's dismissing his "I could" to make the point that he doesn't.
lol as if he was ever in work ain’t nobody care about him
Funny cause now a drum machine MPC is considered an instrument in it's own right
lol no
lol yes
@@omnibusification
ArabMusic is a great example of this
Got proof?
@@morreddie717watch any MPC finger drumming video and you'll see what they mean
How is he out of work when RZA literally just said he'd pay him?
old niggas always hatin.
That's all we got!! HATE HATE HATE!!!!
Either hating or preaching about Jesus
Damn, I can’t believe they had a film crew there to document this. Respect
Willie Mitchell ain’t complaining. He eating good.
This guy was the worst actor they could’ve gotten
Which one? They were all bad.
Yeah it's a shame what they did
Lol sounded nothing like rza
Ye he didn't even attempt to do the RZA's Brooklyn accent. I think he only landed this role because Moonlight was so acclaimed.
And the Academy Award goes to... none of these actors.
“A slide what?” The line makes it seem like RZA never hear the word guitar before. Such cheesy writing/acting 🤦🏻♂️
Fr tho
“A slide guitar” ain’t common known but ok L take
Yeah it wouldve made better sense for him to say "a what guitar?" Lol
I feel Ike you’re overthinking it lol
@@C4LBHitmarkers idk bro his choice of words made it seem like he didn't understand what a guitar was
If sampler was available in 1700, probably Bach too would like to use it to make music
My man just looking for a job, but he going about it the wrong way.
Where there's a successful black hip hop artist, there's 1000 black hating mf'ers ready to bring him down.
--DMX, probably
bro is mad at bro for hiring musicians and creating jobs.
“For hiring ‘other’ musicians” . If it was him offered that job he’d change his jaded tone quick 😆
@@gillroygarlic3616 Yepp, that's true, the oldhead would be fake as hell
That was an obvious critique of the mostly wrong, yet existing issue that producers only copy-paste and edit music, which, according to that guy, doesn't need instrument players and drives them out of their jobs. In reality, producers are always in need of this one sound that they can't find anywhere else and will get to instrument players.
@@shutapp9958 not in rap. Very few rap albums have live instrumentation or original arrangements especially from the east coast.
Oh yeah, what about albums like midnight marauders, the chronic, good kid maad city and to pimp a butterfly, hell even the wu's first album had live instrumentation, if the asr 10, sp1200 and mpc aren't instruments, then what is then?
I cant get passed the fact that that actor was chosen to play the RZA😂😂😂
Yea there like zero resemblance
@@richtenamore9718doesn't even talk or act like Rza either
@@jonathanhughes2199 which is so bizarre to me, RZA has a unique voice and in the 90s was a very different type of cat, he created THE sounds and for like 5 years straight he was almost exclusively producing everything for the Wu. I wonder was it too hard to cast for? Or they just didn't really try
He is a good actor but ya he doesn't really look like rza
Yall should also peep LZA n TZA if yall like hip hop n rap
"a slide what?" (rza never heard the word guitar before)
That's just bad writing.
RZA is so afraid of that word after the Guitar Center incident that even the guy portraying him can’t even say it
Nah it was just his first time hearing about it.
The thing is they’re both right in a way.
Bad actors bad writing bad directors
@@user-gb6xs1re1s😭😭😭😭😭😭
I think he was better in all day and a night
Funny how people never seem to question Rick Rubin, David Geffen, or Jimmy Lovine (3 mega producers who don't play instruments) in the same way.
That's probably because they're white.
this is so bad its like watching something they'd show you in school about not doing drugs
that's really funny they put this in the show; this interaction is why RZA's production (to some) went to absolute shit past the 90's. a damn shame because he of all people should know that sampling is an art just as playing music is. oh well, i like some Bobby Dig shit
Me still bumpin Wu in 2023 also says different
2024 🙌💯🔥
The interesting thing is they’re both right.
Truely all about perspective
this acting is so unserious
😂😂😂😂😂
No only the RZA actor is bad
the idea thats somebody would still be able to create good music without being able to play it manually really upsets some people I see lol
Rap is not good music, it's just some guy talking over "beats" that's All it is
@@FiveDORRA when's your record coming out then? Don't speak on something you don't understand just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap
@@gregc7699 so I can't criticise anything? Great mindset 🤡
@@FiveDORRAHaving an opinion about something isn't really criticism. Rap is music, whether you believe it is or not, and if you're gonna get mad over a little clap back to your opinion, then you need to touch some grass, fam. Rap follows music theory, but to some, it's more akin to Spoken Word, which you could argue isn't music but poetry.
What I just did? That's criticism.
@@anarchistponcho8689Nah thats constructive criticism/critique.
Criticism is still criticism when some random dude thinks something sucks.
Thats why its called a "critical opinion"
"Slide guitar"
- "Slide WHAT?"
lol.
A master producer can sample and chop any musicians song into multiple dope beats. Unrecognizable and rearranged over chopped up breakbeats. Most if not all successful producers also play instruments and DJ also.
the path to music mastery takes many different roads. creativity and making music that speaks to people's soul is what matters. HIP HOP is a way that youths in the inner city carved out to escape an oppresive environment and a lack of ressources. graffiti = using the environment to create art / break dancing = using your body to stay fit / hip hop - djing = using whatever equipment you have to create music without having instruments or music theory lessons. this form of expression has taken over the world. you can start with sampling it will lead you on a journey where you will discover many genres of music, open your mind and expand your taste and appreciation. I started with sampling, collecting records then moved to jazz and I am now learning music theory via the piano. I have a whole new level of appreciation not just for jazz giants and their legacy but also for the heroes of my youth: Peter Rock - DITC - Primo and also more recent producers Dilla - Madlib - Alc - DOOM etc... enjoy the journey and remember that: " If you can't pull it, all ya gotta do is Push it along, push it along"
if people wanna go with the take "if you sample, then you're not making music" then my take is "if you don't sample, then you're not making HIP-HOP"
facts
100% agree. those piano beats are soulless
oofah
yeah thats the whole point i just dont get. most Hip-Hop beats were made from samples. if there was no sampling it would literally just be bum tss tss for every single beat.
And that's the beauty of it because of the samples, I got into the other artists catalogue.
Christ, this was actually aired? It's like something you'd find in the depths of Tubi.
Hip hop was created on sampling
Facts and nice profile pic lol 😎
@@DocKaosBeats right on lol
If your making music it's music dosnt matter the style or the way you made it so long as that hits deep and you can vibe n move your feet.
The wig tho😂😂
toupee is nuts
Very trash wig
Dude here looked like Popa Wu. At first, i thought that was the direction they were going for since he said he did like his records, but nope, he jus a lowkey hater OG 😂😭
Can the dude hating even really play an instrument good. They shoulda had Rza put him on the spot. I mean they added extra stuff to the wu story shoulda had rza hand him the guitar 😂😂
Tf is this acting💀
He could have just shown his musical skills to RZA, instead of hating like that
And get credited along the way
Right there in the music lmao
Actually, later Rza ended up hiring him and they’re best friends now.
TMthe33rd you don't understand how movie's/TV work do u knucklehead?
They def rushed season 2 bro what's this 😭
As a Wu fan I literally can not watch this show, its corny and this guy playing RZA is actually terrible!! Looks nothing like him and sounds like a robot when he talks and respectfully they should have gave ODBs son some acting lessons and let him play his dad
Well done, you know what literally means... unless you usually metaphorically watch movies.
@@Hellwyck Behave yourself
@@HellwyckPretty sure this is a show bud
Anyone can play music
Only artists can shape it
Nah geezers refusing to adapt is what puts them outta work lmao
Gheezers want to get paid ..
They don’t want the next generation to lose out on the best joys in life.
RZA doesn’t sound like an African DMX.
I would lose my mind seeing an uopened 3000 box. You kidding me!!!!
Whoa, I had no idea this show existed. This was trippy to watch with no context.
lol. Lucky u
@@newagain9964 how is he lucky ??
@@yOGlobecause he gets to watch it now fresh.
Is this the same guitar center he made the beat thang beat?
“a slide what?” Lol has he never heard of a guitar
Mpc 3000 is classic! Man I want one so bad
just so you know as someone as used it for a while it's a pain in the ass to learn but when you master it it's kind magic 💫
MPC 2000 I would love to have but that shit is money 😞
@@91Definiteget a job bum
@@SergioMartinez-el8kg get off my dick migo
@@91Definite 2000s are the cheapest. I got one for 500 bucks
How many people listend to Do for love after hearing it from Pac, or Weak at the Knees from Dre like my guy they were the first generation of rappers they didnt have anyone else other than themselves like with what RUN DMC would do
he got emotional and left his slide guitar? I was trying to hear that on an ODB track.
Big difference between a musician and a producer.
Yea but do you even know it? Can you discern which one would be the greater "artist" ?
@@NeoAndersonChannel1 That’s a matter of opinion. If you can only play one or two instruments your talent is limited to that degree. Playing an instrument is a physical act, while producing music is mental. Then you have artists that play instruments and produce…
@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent. Prince comes to mind when it comes to playing and producing. ... J
you are speaking to mostly ignorant people here, dont expect too much
in that case, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald and thousands of others are not musicians either. Ignorance is alive and well in this world@@guiltyuntilproveninnocent.
The thing about lotta old rock dudes is they don't even like innovative rock music or rock music that tries anything new they themselves are still stuck on classic rock (or whatever era they grew up in) and think thats peak music but then they want to talk about other genres of music when they don't even embrace new things in their own music. Boring old boomers. Don't listen to them.
I swear people watched this and wanted violence not an actual saga on how wutang was created this show was for the fans and rza knew that he made it in his styles
My cousin saw him few years ago at a record shop like this in nyc
Music is harmony, rhythm, vocals, etc I don’t get people whom say Rap ain’t music
Not to be a prick but it's "who", I can't help myself.
@@hemsmooth you are not a prick, I appreciate the correction, english is not my first language so any correction is always welcome, thanks!
That wasn't the argument the OG in this was making though. He didn't condemn Rap as not being music. He was specifically claiming that sampling doesn't make you a musician.
He is wrong, of course. It takes a different KIND of skill, for sure. But it really isn't much different than claiming that a film editor isn't a director or screenwriter.
@@NaptownClassic Correct, it's a different kind of skill. Adrian Younge said it in a panel discussion some years ago...Those who are good at it (sampling), are musicians and the sampler is their instrument...
Damn can make me get my Purple Haze cd out of the box!
This is depressing
Glad i didnt bother with this. Looks so bad it seems like it was made here in canada.
Ye the actor didn't even attempt to sound like RZA
@@mikechoe97it's true where's the croakiness?the Brooklyn type accent? etc
i watched 4 or 5 eps, it’s not great
ay man a lotta good shit is made here in canada u ignorant shit
Always a old black dude hating on a young dude getting it
That's not hating. He's telling him about the music. That's like saying Ghost and Rae were hating on Biggie for biting on Nas.
@@zoo05zoo Bro straight up told RZA he wasn't a musician and he was stealing music. That's hating.
@@chuckn4851, he was sampling beats without giving credit. Pointing that out isn't hating. That's telling someone what they are doing.
tale as old as time oldheads tahmbout something they dont understand
Me trying to read your comment tf is tahmbout?
@@nicktubara tahmbout deez
I suppose you alphabet youngsters know everything?
ur mom knows deez @@FiveDORRA
@@nicktubarabro why do ppl like u gotta troll
Unfortunately, music is treated like a job rather than an actual art (yay economics). You don't _have_ to learn how to play the instruments you are lifting, sampling, what have you. And fighting over who is a "real" musician just invalidates somebody else's work bc of short-sightedness. Snobbery doesnt get you anywhere either, bc you think you're better than someone based on an arbritarily valued skill someone else can dunk on you for.
Sampling is instrumentation, but in a new way. Learn how to sample is a skill much like learning the guitar. A controller IS an instrument, full stop. You build your knowledge of music theory using a sampler/controller, and theory is also part of culture too. Hip hop from Black musicians/producers came from urban life, social situations, discrimination, prejudice, generational trauma... but also values coming from your family and those surrounding you.
Paying musicians to play on your project is also an industry standard. Session work is a real and valid thing to do, and some famous musicians are/were/did session work. And without hip hop, sampling wouldnt have been used and widespread.
Just another way to do music. Both the geezer and RZA are musicians. Not one or the other.
why are all the comments so recent lmao
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I like the idea of it ….its just the execution of this series is all bad. It’s just not believable.
why didn't they have Rza talk like the RZA.. Kinda talks like a baby.
Who casted this cat as RZA? Not even close looking like a skinnny xibit
he dont even look like xzibit either lmao
I believe RZA himself had a big part in casting
@@Bj-re4wteven worse.
this made me lol lmfao
Are Sam Ash employees friendlier than Guitar centers? You start fiddling with an mpc at guitar center they hover over you like hurry up and buy
They not like that in my city!
Mpc 500$ you pay now
"That's not RZA" and "this not real Wu" my brother in christ, RZA created the show. I blame it on him and the producers, I think he focused too much on the wrong things getting this show to the finish line. Ashton Sanders is not some bum actor, this sounds like he's being forced to deliver the lines how a director wants not like he just sucks at playing the character.
The casting is terrible, dude looks nothing like Robert Diggs.
"Hip-hop is not made up from scratch. The music, and the foundation of the music of hip-hop, comes from records that we found in our parents' crates, you know what I mean?
Old funk and soul grooves.
We've given new life to artists like james brown and isaac hayes and sly and the family stone and george clinton and parliament and funkadelic, and so many other groups, because we rapping over they beats, okay?
So hip-hop didn't invent anything, but hip-hop reinvented everything."
Yeah, because freestyling isn't from scratch at all right. Rap didn't just start. Who cares what you think honestly. Yall always hating in some shape form or fashion
@@dominique8662 not hating at all, you completely misunderstood. This is also a KRS-One quote, you played yourself my guy
@@adrone2669😂😂😂😂
*HORRIBLE ARGUMENT*
1st: dude doesn't WANT to b a "real" musician
2nd: how many records u sell or how much money u got doesn't make u a real musician either
3rd: how tf does it keep that guy out of business? nothin's stopin ol head from makin music or playin it
4th: listen to Daft Punks Discovery n tell me that samplin isn't creative n artistic af
One of the reasons so many people complain about music now, and not just older people, a lot of younger people, is because so many people have left behind "real" musicianship. Repetitive loops and artificial perfect timing taking over music, makes a lot of the music sound dead (which doesn't mean it sounds bad. Music isn't so disposable now just because there's a plethora of it and streaming makes for easy access, it's disposable because a lot musicianship has been lost, especially within Black America, which has always been the true innovative force in music for the last 100 plus years.
@@SamHoodie3k only "real" musicians care about musicianship, artists only care about what sounds good n what makes em feel good, musicianship is something most music artists dgaf about n the same with fans
@@eva_pilot It the music becomes less good because of it. Even if fans don't know they care about it, they do, which is why music is so much more disposable now. Same with singing, same with rapping. As the skills diminish people care less, and they spend less, which means music artists get paid less, and those artists are seeing their pockets dry up right now.
@@SamHoodie3k music becomin "less good" is subjective, musicianship doesn't automatically make good music, artists will always make good music n also u thinkin it's more disposable is also subjective, u need to get out more, music is changin whether u like it or not n just cuz artists don't play guitar doesn't mean thr music doesn't sound good
@@eva_pilotits a fact that music has gotten more disposable. Just look at how much faster songs nowadays drop of the billboard top 100. That's proof that people are not listening to songs for as long as they use to so the songs are disposed of quicker. The fact people aren't listening to songs as long as they used to also proves that the music isn't as good.
Jealous black "brother" in a nutshell.
Love Wu Tang , but this show looks like its AI generated. Also I started loving soul because of rap samples , just like many others - so thank you RZA and others for introducing us to that music
AI-Generated? No. AI isn't nearly there yet.
@@bedecktHe’s saying the writing is so bad that an AI must have written it and I tend to agree
@@corvus8638 ah I completely got it wrong. Gotta use my brain more. thanks for letting me know!
Would you say the series is worth watching? Maybe I'll check it out at some point
@@bedeckt Can’t tell you as I haven’t watched the show
They couldn't find anyone that could actually play the genius?
The writing and acting are awful.
My answer to the guy would be to ask him what he played and give him a shot at some studio work. I deeply admire RZA btw.
Some of these actors are just not great- dude playing rza i'm talkin about you
Like fr fr.
1:20 this moment could’ve been used to exchange phone numbers and create jobs for at least one musician
If he had approached RZA better, RZA probably would've initiated that. Instead the old head started hating and lost his own opportunity.
Every Sam Ash employee in the history of the company would call that a Lap Steel.
Kinda obsessed with how the actor looks nothing like RZA
I was waiting for RZA to show up the entire time.
@@WookieGolgberg The acting is very "community theatre" as well
@@br3akstuff yup. Or like an anti drug PSA
OG is now miserable at home on his medicare plan
Idc lol Rza don’t talk like that he talk like Elmer Fudd
This Is the real RZA..
@@hazeentertainmenthiphop no its not lol
And Bobby Digital was born.
Sampling records creates a paychecks for other artists whose records aren’t being streamed and recreating samples creates jobs for musicians. Win Win
The funny thing is the artist formerly known as Prince would also tell him that he is not a musician he wouldn't be hating on him but he'll just be saying its a matter of fact that you are not a musician.
If you’re making music, you are a musician. The medium isn’t the message.
@@eyespy3001 just because you play a "sport" doesn't mean your an athlete.
Yea it does actually in every way, excluding esports
You hella stupid, for saying that dumb shit that sounded smart to you
@@goon009 Yes it does. You may not be a _professional_ athlete, which just means you get paid, but if you play a sport, and you take it seriously (meaning you train and condition yourself) and are athletic…you’re an athlete. By definition, an athlete is someone who is proficient in sports. Not that high of a bar to pass.
By your narrow-minded rationale, someone like J Dilla isn’t a musician, despite making some of the most influential music of the past 25 years. By your rationale, the entirety of Kraftwerk aren’t musicians, despite making some of the most influential music of the past 50 years. Just because these artists don’t use conventional instruments it doesn’t mean that they don’t create. Hell, even The Beatles were using samples to create original songs every time they used their Mellotron.
I watched the entire two seasons :D definitely enjoyed it
would be nice if they touched a little on the Bobby Digital era
And Gravediggas
There’s one more season!
They spent soooo much time slow rolling the first season they had to rush the second season. Too bad. I think RZA thought he would get at least 4 seasons and by the time he found out that wasn't going to be the case it was too late.
He did name bobby digital
For the comments about acting....Its a genuine story, not always about acting all the time, sometimes the story is whats to be seen imo
Music, Art, is about how it makes you feel. Nothing else.
Even though it's a show, I understand hating on samples, old heads growing up in the 70s and seeing all their classics being put on rap. Especially black music from the 90s onwards that have less than ideal messaging.
(When I was younger producing, I literally had a folder with maybe 10000 different samples, so like, y'know. Just playing the other side but I totally get it)
I think there's nothing wrong with sampling but I do think that real composers / performers should get more respect. even though making beats is a serious craft and all, and maybe the same level of artistry if done really well, but it's just not the same in terms of depth.
@@morrisalanisette9067 No it isn't! Not even close! There is a huge difference between Teddy Reilly, Jimmy Jam vs Kanye and RZA! Pep[le like Teddy Reilly create chords, melodies, base lines! While RZA and Kanye sample the melodies, basslines, chords and other shit real composers create!
yeah but they are still composers there's just less complexity with music theory. to me producers who use samples is kind of like collage artist compared to painters. But keep in mind many producers aren't just using samples especially nowadays. Also a lot of producers are actually bonafide musicians but they just make beats because there is no incentive to 'whip it out' so to speak. It's not the 70s nobody wants to hear a key solo or complex structures. It kinda sucks but thats how it is @@rbrivers1731
did bro miss the previous 15 years of hip hop?
this seems made up
I believe the members of the Wu said they used some creative license in telling the story in a way that fits neatly into hour long episodes
in the sense that their story is more so boring maybe@@galedribble9535
@@illdrumatik391show was great and they've had many documentaries done on them already.
Yea this is a really bizarre situation to have ever happened like this
As a Wu-Tang fan this show looks like hot garbage
@@LightsCameraPantssssno, by hollycrap
I don’t know why the scene is so funny to me 😊
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if it makes sound, you are playing an instrument 🤷♂️
It's kinda contradictory to say to someone that they are not real musicians but then say they enjoyed some of their tracks, wu tang never claimed to be musicians, they are rappers and producers, and that's just another way of seeing it, if beethoven or mozart could hear what the "real" jazz musicians played, they would probably say that's not real music either, this is just a generational cycle, and it keeps happening nowadays.
I don’t think it’s the same. I think the classical artists would find the use of chords in jazz interesting. Without artists there’s nothing to sample.
Don’t put Beethoven in the same paragraph as some rapper
@@corvus8638why not?
@@audreyharris7643 He was an actual genius. Rappers are stupid af
@@corvus8638 there not all stupid
Sam ash??? What year is this??
Around 94.
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Sure glad I didn’t watch this.
theres is no creature that could ever live that could ever care
@@sk1rr627 but you commented so you must.
Nobody gives a shit about you
"Anyone' Can be a musician
Anyone can do what rza did as well