I've just updated my system from intel to AMD and I accidentally broke the gpu lock on the mobo because I couldn't reach for the lock! I really do not understand why the manufacturers don't come up with these solutions from the start. Is just basic UX feedback.
One think I really love about the PC space is the fact most things aren’t ever patented. For example, the more recent Implementation of screens on the AIO, I believe NZXT was the first to do it and now Corsair is doing it as well. Another example the metal reinforced GPU Slot for stability, it’s pretty much a standard in high end motherboards now. And the last example, and my personal favorite. AMD and Intel could easily get royalties for there CPU Cooler retention brackets (more AMD) but they allow anyone to make it. There’s prob so many examples. But everyone kinda shares and innovates. Whether it not be worth the patent price or not it’s still cool. Then Thermaltake and MSI steal the idea. Hahahahahahaha
Hey Jay, 10:44, they are PCIe 5.0 slots! Also at 11:14, the 6-pin supplemental power is actually mostly for Front Panel USB Type-C Power Delivery. This board supports up to 60W PD 3.0 as well as (Quick Charge) QC 4.0/3.2/2.0 and PPS (Programable Power Supply) mode via the Front Panel Type-C port next to the Power Inlet
@@sagerdood Well clearly I'm not talking about the Gigabyte Motherboards then am i lol, i always use Asus MB the Asus Strix Z690 is £500 up from the £275 of the previous model, the Rampage Extreme is £934.98 and the Etreme Glacial is £1699.99 so yes there are mb that cost upwards and over 1k, I'd normally go for for something in-between the Asus Formula MB was around £700 last generation so this generation if the price increase between boards is similar its will be close to 1k. I'd rather pay more and get something of quality then buy something cheaper and be dissapointed. I've done it before and both times they've been broken, one out the box and the other failed rather quickly, you get what you pay for, then there's RAM which is £330 for 32GB then the i9 12900k that's £579.99, I'm looking at around £1600 for three components, i think il wait, my i7 10700k is still very capable and the rest of my rig is all quality components so il wait, I'm going to get a motorbike instead.
Can you please do an updated beginners guide on overclocking? Not talking about wanting to see a specific card's speeds, but a very detailed general guide targeted toward those that may have a more budget friendly build and are starting out. Last video i can find like that from your channel is from 6 years ago. And im guessing most of the principles haven't changed. But i dont think we need to know how to overclock with SLI in mind anymore.
From what I've seen from Jay and the other TechTubers, overclocking seems to bring minimal gains anymore. You're going to spend a ton of time messing around with settings and get 5% or less improvement.
If you want to overclock you graphics card just look for "Simple ways to increase GPU performance for FREE" it is a 2 years old video, but it has everything you need.
I have AMD R9 3900X, I'm just using Ryzen Master to overclock my CPU, and really it's not even an overclock, my CPU has an advertised speed of 4.6Ghz and I have to use Ryzen Master just to get an all-care speed of 4.3Ghz I have never actually seen my CPU get 4.6Ghz, if I don't use it them my CPU stays around 3.7Ghz. That's only for AMD though I'm not really sure what kind of auto-overclocking utilities are out for Intel CPUs. As for overclocking your GPU, that is extremely easy to do using MSI Afterburner and Jay has a relevant video about that from a year or two ago that still applies.
@@zqzj the issue there is... in real world performance for things that do not earn you money 5% is kind of extremely low. Like... really low. Going from 230 frames to 250 frames wouldn't even be noticeable and thats about 10%. Overclocking became a thing because with older CPUs it was more like 80% increases, which is why Intel kept their cores locked as best they can for so long. So just to recap; overclocking serves no functional purpose these days because monke brain too stupid to see 5% difference
That slot release button is the most welcome change of all. I started swearing by liquid CPU coolers for the simple fact you just cannot get the GPU out with a big air cooler installed. That is something that should have been there ages ago!!
One thing I really want, and this sounds kinda weird, is new Pentiums, Celerons, and Atoms, and other low-power low-cost CPUs with the E-cores only. An 8-thread top-spec Pentium that sips power would be great for a lot of thin-and-lights and embedded x86 devices. Maybe it's a 6-core 8-thread with a 2+4 design, but that's more power hungry and is probably more like a low-end i3. Going down to the atoms, a dual core 2-thread design that pulls like 5W would be great for those situations where it just needs to run a certain bit of code that was designed for x86, and the speed isn't super critical. The atomic pi comes to mind.
I would like to mention that support for various instruction sets is removed on the E cores. The removal of these is potentially a bad idea on anything but atom processors.
No sleeping on those Ryzen 3s and I3s. Kids out here buying a scalped 1060 3GB for $400 and then throwing it on a Ryzen 7. Cost for performance has disappeared. Then that same kids water cools his Ryzen 7 with a custom loop and distroplate in his O11 Dynamic Razer Edition.
When you finish your build and then feel outdated next day. Guess that is just how it goes lol p.s. First time I got so many likes and comments, thanks! Even though the next gen is on its way, still satisfying when your finished and it BOOTS :)
Seriously. I just bought a 10900k this time last year for $600 and the leaked performance of the 12900k is 52% gain for the same price. I hate it here.
Here’s the deal with PC technology… The moment you make the last turn on your last screw on your new build, it’s ANCIENT, OUTDATED and OBSOLETE! 😄 Okay, j/k! It’s not ancient and it’s not obsolete. But one thing you can be certain about at that point is that, it is outdated… the moment you make the last turn on that last screw. 😅 I believe it could be said that it’s outdated the moment that you’ve paid for all the parts that you picked out, or the pre-built that you decided upon and then paid for. So, you were very close to being correct! But I would say that it does not take until the next day. The moment I’m done doing a build, I see new stuff on RUclips that makes my brand new build outdated. Just my two cents even though I’m not Jay! 😄
In 2019 the Moore's Law Is Dead channel said Intel would have nothing to compete with Ryzen until the awesome Golden Cove cores shipped in late 2021. THAT DAY HAS ARRIVED.
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
that sort of surprised me too. youre not going to want to drop a thousand dollars on this release board just to find out that intel wants to swing 12VO in like 6 months
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 with out intel pushing amd they will go down the same route intel did they increased there price of the 5000 series cpus by 50 dollars because there was no competition at the time now that intel is moving in a better Direction we might see price dropping without intel price will just keep going up
Definitely need it. I HAVE to take my cpu cooler off whenever i need to take my GPU out. That includes when i mess something up in BIOS and have to take the cmos battery out, as that's underneath my gpu
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
Downside of being a PC enthusiast, I built my PC about two years ago, I have a 9900k, and now the 12900k is coming out and I want it lol. I don't need it, but I want it!!!
Why do you care? I doubt you’ll see much of a difference. As I also own a 9900k and never had an issue with it bottlenecking. Even when I get 140fps on bfv, bfv at 5ghz only has my 9900k at abojt 50-60% and at 76c after about 3 hours of gaming in a hot Florida room at 3pm. The room is easily 80 degrees Fahrenheit
Exactly my thought, The notch already felt way too centered on DDR4, and now on DDR5 its even closer to the middle of the module?! Makes me wonder if it really would've been that much harder to route the traces with the notch far to one Side like in PCI express...
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Why intel in particular? Any corporation will do this if they are unchallenged. Need an example? US medical bills. Someone fainted because it was hot. Unwanted 12,000$ medical bill for pretty much nothing.
Thank you for all you're entertaining videos. Had a rough year, almost died to brain bleed and a stroke. Been doing really well in therapy to recover from it though. I watch pretty much every video you've put out, and want to say thank you for them all, I'm glad to see a new Jays video every time I look at RUclips. Thanks again for all the entertainment!
Man this makes me excited for the AM5 motherboards, I hope they get the same kind of upgrades. So happy we are going to be getting competition from both sides.
AMD have refreshed of Zen3 coming inbetween aswell. Either way, this is what we want, it's good to have both sides throwing punches. Last thing we want is another period of stagnation like we had for almost a decade with Intel.
@@jaylapointe1654 AMD struggling with chip volume is a good thing. Not for consumers, of course, but for the company. It means that there is a tremendous demand for their product and can't keep supply on the shelves.
Would be interesting to see the 12700k vs a 5900x both running the same ddr4 kit to see an apples to apples comparison. I feel like ddr5 will be an advantage in and of itself if only intel is running it when being compared. As soon as AMD has a ddr5 compatible cpu i'm sure it will flip again. Feels kind of nice having two really good options.
@@jaylapointe1654 true when looking at going from like 3000 to 3600 ddr4. But I'm sure there will be more of an impact when going from ddr4 at 3600 to ddr5 at 6000 when paired with the other improvements of ddr5, not just the frequency. Only time will tell
@@ThesurgeoNNN Wikipedia says 5 Nov 2020 for 5950x. And I would say compare the hell out of it. Intel has been gimped by 14nm for years while AMD ran forwards with better silicon.
That’s my plan when Windows 10 is all said and done, switching to Linux. Eventually I won’t have any other choice. Unless there’s a Windows 12 and it’s like how Windows 7 was after Vista. Otherwise, Linux.
I dont understand why win11 needs to be a thing. Win10 took a while to be less buggy and now runs pretty well. Dont have much to complain about except the garbage online stuff pushed by microsoft. They say its privacy protection but how is it more protected than not having account information in the first place? I dont get it. All about ads probably.
@@Xirpzy Had they fixed the privacy issues and stop focusing on trying to suck people into an ecosystem, I could see the need for Windows 11. The other issue with Windows 10 are the big feature updates. I've had them cause a lot of strange issues that have required a reinstall. Unfortunately, the first two they seemed to double down on while causing more issues.
Hey Jay, I noticed you were in Microcenter in Tustin, Ca in one of your videos. I grew up in Santa Ana, worked for Placentia Post Office for 34 years, retired in Las Vegas. Fry's closed down here in Vegas so I can only shop at MicroCenter in Tustin or Newegg. Most of my photography clients are in Los Angeles. I'm currently building a new computer of 2 years, I have a I7 I9-9900K, I'm building to I7-12700K. Asus Tuf z690 motherboard with DDR4 Memory. DDR5 is too pricey for me at this time. Thank you for all you videos, they have been very helpful.
No Jays, for the second time, the additional headers are not for extra power on GPUs, it's usually for external power delivery (PD) from front USB-C connectors!
I’m excited to see the 12600K performance, I’ve been looking for an upgrade and ever since the B series boards started allowing overclocking Intel started being viable for me Edit: Either you guys are really stupid or really think you’re funny. I didn’t win anything, that guy is a scammer or a bot.
Funny part is they could sell none of these to a single gamer and still sell more CPUs then AMD do to the fact they have the laptop and prebuilt manufacturers by the kahunas.
I agree I game on Linux at age 61 AMD 3900x and a old 1070ti EVGA until I get my email from EVGA in next few months for a 3070. I'm not as fast anymore but my old 1070ti still steams along. No overclock, long life.
The elongated CPU cooler mounting holes are actually a bad idea except for heavily overclocking centered boards like this! The reason is that the z-height is different than all the old Intel sockets so using your old brackets will lead to bad contact, and the new brackets that do get the cooler at the right height uses the new spacing. Even with this board there will be a significant number of people who buy it without actually wanting to overclock ("expensive means better for everything, right?"). And the x16 slot-retention unlock button is PURE GENIUS. Especially if you use tower coolers but even just the M.2 slot just above it can be bad enough.
When you test performance to do the Ryzen comparison, possible suggestion: could you test it with launch win11, and with all current patches, to see if any/how much of the performance advantage over 59xx was related to the Win11 bugs related to Ryzen?
Why do that if the bugs have already been patched? EVERYONE using windows 11 currently does not have to deal with the performance bugs, some of which also impacted intel. Like why even care about something in the past? He will bench with the latest updates, and show the current performance differences.
@@jaylapointe1654 spec sheet releases showed a huge alder lake improvement on Ryzen, but it appears they were done when those bugs still existed. Would be interesting to see if the benchmark comparison lined up with the pre or post patch, or neither
They were leaks of official documents that'd been posted before the embargo was lifted. It may not really matter in terms of defining the actual performance, but I (and I imagine others) would be interested in identifying not just the actual performance compared to Ryzen, but the underpinnings of potentially disparate pre-release comparisons.
Additionally, those differences well exceed the performance uplift that Intel had previously been telling us to expect from Alder Lake vs gen 4 Ryzen, so it's an interesting curiousity, imo.
Please test how far you can push DDR4 on Alder Lake in Gear 1 and compare it to Z490 (which can do well into mid 4000s without "Gears") and Z590 (peaks around 3733-4000 in Gear 1 depending on lottery), and then compare that to the DDR5 performance so we can know if it's worth it to jump to DDR5 now for gaming performance or not. Might also want to post the full memory timings trained by the board, though as far as I know, that shouldn't be an issue if you're keeping it in the same family for the comparison (i.e, Asus boards will train similar timings).
Like with AMD's performance claims with each new product reveal, I take Intel's numbers with a pich of salt. It appears that the comparison benchmarks they ran used Windows 11 before any update or patching for the AMD performance issues. So in reality performance is probably closer between Intel's newest and AMD's 5000 series.
Not when the AMD benchmarks were almost all done on Windows 10 with zero performance loss issues. Whether you believe big/little is good or not, those Golden Cove P cores absolutely demolish Zen3 in single threaded performance. over 100pts margin in cpu-z is bonkers, there is no "err well yea but thats a synthetic" argument with a gap like that.
@@eclipsegst9419 I specifically mention Windows 11 performance. I don't have any preconceived notions of wether the big/little cpu architecture is better or worse. The fact of the matter is that their Windows 11 benchmarks were done without the patching and that can hit AMDs performance hard in some scenarios. My comment still stands. Any Windows 10 benchmarks that are currently available are not valid either, they are all "leaks". I don't believe any performance claims in leaks or company benchmarks. The only benchmarks I take seriously are when the embargoes are lifted and actual reviewers do their tests. AMD and Nvidia have also been sketchy with their benchmarking. With all that said, I think it's a good thing that Intel pushed themselves this time and I'm pretty sure these CPUs will be good, but we don't really know if they will equal or beat AMD. And if they beat AMD, by how much?
@10:45 * PCIE 5.0. Both top x16 size slots. Bottom is 4.0. Other nifties on this beauty is HDMI 2.1 for the IGP, 2x Thunderbolt 4 ports with DisplayPort 1.4 support, and usb c 2x2 header for case front IO with 60W QuickCharge 4 support.
I bought a top spec M15 R3 and like 40 days later Cherry MX Keyboard and 3080 dropped. I also have a MSI RTX 3090 Suprim X 24G not being used because I can’t seem to find a MSI GODLIKE mobo to go with it (which is in my favor I guess now), but then comes the RTX 3090 Ti. I have a 32GB DDR4 Kit, but should be able to sell that easy. Edit: Oh, and the AW3421DW came out after I bought my AW3420DW. Heh. I did get a AW2721D though, which will probably get a matching AW2722D on the other side of the AW3420DW.
8:55 Exactly. At some point I damaged a motherboard because of that. There was barely any space between the gpu and cpu cooler even for a screwdriver. Also the bracket was very tight so I had to use some force with the screwdriver and sometimes it slipped and touched the motherboard (I didn't give it any importance at the time). One of those times the tip of the screwdriver cut a wire from the motherboard and it stopped working. I tested every component separately, found out the motherboard is the cause and after inspecting it for a very long time I noticed there were chips in the paint near the bracket and a cut wire. I soldered it and it worked. I glued a piece of rubber to a thin metal rod and that's how I open those brackets now.
high-revving "p-cores" and economical "e-cores" make perfect sense in battery-powered devices. in a desktop system though? could just be obviated by scheduler, affinity and power-down tweaks among existing cores. but of course, that won't be necessary if you're the foremost cpu provider, and can lean on the foremost OS provider to favour one type of architecture across the board in their future products - and "incidentally", end up poised as the only provider of said architecture.
Can't wait to built a new computer with these new ASUS motherboards, DDR5, and the 12900k. I'm not even going to buy any parts though until I can get a new GPU, I could just use my 2080Ti with it but I'd like to take advantage of what the 30 series has to offer, so once the shortage ends I'll upgrade
I don't understand, does the elongated holes allow for the same mounting bracket as LGA115x and LGA1200 to be used? Because if so then why change it in the first place, am I missing something?
@ResistanceofNWO How is that supposed to help? If the alternate holes allow for old backplates to be used, then there was no need to change the placement of the holes. Unless the new placement of the holes are meant to open up for an even larger socket in the future, but then why change it now and not at that time?
As far as I know it will make an E core a higher priority than an encumbered vertical thread for high priority tasks. Assuming all the Pcores are loaded with at least one thread each. But it may depend on the application and how it is flagged at compile.
@@wishusknight3009 -- i'm using it for gaming , seems like this will really rock. I do flight sim which is demanding as hell but isn't the best at using all the cores, but i run a lot of other ancillary programs in the background including that make flight sim even better so I'm guessing that this 12900K will smash the hell out of all of those other thread necessities?
@@dabneyoffermein595 I don't know. I am still pretty much convinced that the hybrid core thing is a gimmick. The Zen3 core consists of many fewer transistors and is significantly smaller in silicon size and hits similar IPC. And this is on a process of only slightly smaller feature size and gate length. The pragmatic approach it would seem. And so far it the 12k series has not shown its capable of being as efficient even in mundane and lightly threaded workloads where zen shows it can achieve a good middle ground. I am not saying the 12k series isn't impressive. It really is. But I don't think it is quite the right way to go on x86 on the desktop. This isn't exactly the same as a cell phone where it makes more sense. The extra bulk in the P-cores seems to come from a mostly DOE AVX512 capability that needs the E-cores disabled to function. (though this is probably something they will remedy next gen). For me this boils down to it needing more time for me to be convinced its worth the effort.
Already being listed above MSRP and sold out, I think I'll stick with an 8700k till next launch or maybe the one after that, the motherboards for Intel being so god damn expensive don't really help
At 10:20 shouldn't the RAM be in the outer slots to enable dual-channel or is it different with DDR5? I know it was a demonstration and you popped it out right after but I'm still curious. Also, according to LTT the tests were all done on Windows 11 while Ryzen still had Windows scheduling issues that hamstrung its performance.
Even ddr4 has dual channel in the first and third slot. The thing with dual channel is that you have to place the dimms in the first and third slot or the second and fourth slot. The thing you are asking is probably the ram OC capabilities, it should be better if placed in the second and fourth slot as you pointed out
I'm looking forward to the performance tests. It will be interesting to see if Intel is serious about competing again with AMD, which has cleaned its clock for the past few years.
agreed. it's the back and forth that gets us the best hardware. im pretty excited to see how these little things run. my big rig is currently all AMD, but my wife's is a beefy intel setup.
"if Intel is serious" lol what crazy hyperbole. You say it like they haven't been serious. What you saw in 10 and 11th gen were things already in motion. It's not like they just made those overnight as a half hearted response to AMD. It took AMD a decade to develop a response to Intel. Intel can get a couple years before people start saying "ThEy ArEnT SeRiOuS aBoUt CoMpEtInG"
You need a proper handsaw / hacksaw thingy on the pinup backboard behind your head. Bought a Sandvik item of same description back in the '90's and still with me today. Has a screw that adjusts blade tension the way you want it. Works for me 30 years. Keep up the stellar contributions Jay - much appreciated here on the slightly whiter shade of pale in darkest Africa.
Be aware the cpu will be broken with some older software cause of its performance cores. Its a thing that could be fixed but who knows what priority that is
I have built +50 PC’s, beginning many years ago with AMD. Great memories sitting in the basement overclocking (unlocking) using tape, superglue, and windshield defrost repair pen. Then back to Intel, for many years. No desire to build a new system for years though. Not sure why but this MB and Intel Gen 12 have my juices flowing.
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@SilentRito death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
I hope the AMD spends more R&D on Vulkan and Linux. Give Windows a run for its money. I am loving Manjaro at the moment, so fast when opening up applications compared to my Windows 10.
I don't like the architecture. I know, weird comment, but this honestly feels like cheating in a way. This is literally Intel and Microsoft teaming up to go up against AMD. Yes, I say that just because of the scheduler. We've already seen Windows 11 have some weirdness when it comes to AMD chips so these 2 happening at the same time just seems fishy to me
Yeah I can’t wait for embargo to be lifted and the AMD patch to really see the difference. I’m guessing 5% increase to Intel new Gen after full AMD support on Windows 11. And I’m sorry 15% doesn’t even make me upgrade a CPU meanwhile change a whole platform for 5%. Nope nope nope
Hi I live in Norway and have already made an order for 12900K, Asus Hero motherboard and 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR5 5200 Mhz memory, all was already in stock! So I will get it late next week😁
I'm wondering if Intel will make some Xeon cpus with only E-cores? Looking at the size comparison of P-cores vs E-cores, they could put alot of E-cores on a single cpu and i bet the multi threaded performance would be pretty darn good.
The problem is that the E cores will not have HT(Hyper-Threading), which would make it worse than a P core when performance matters. The Xeons could use a bunch of E cores for low power tasks, but the P cores will matter more when push comes to shove.
@@lukewt456 if you check out the xeon D lineup they are less power hungry and many skus don’t have HT. They are a big hit for edge devices or iOT. I think there are many use cases for lower powered cpus that don’t boost high or have HT.
@@bubbafats6246 If you're comparing a 10th gen i7 core(for that 1 core with 2 threads) vs a 6th gen i7 with HT disabled(for that 4 cores with 4 threads) and core frequency locked at a pretty low value(let's just say 2.3GHz for some clarity), your 10th gen core would easily be rtunning miles around a core. Having numbers only can make up that difference, and will not help it outperform the latter. That's the situation with how Alder Lake would operate, and it's likely how the hybrid CPUs would going forward.
@@MikhailJathan Most of the Xeon D lineup do have HT, contrary to what is claimed. Why wouldn't they when they're based on the same architecture as consumer-based CPUs?
We need a TechTuber agreement: Any Drops are to be called "Linusing" or "Linused" or "Linus". EX: Jay drops things repeatedly, Phil is to yell "Jay! Stop Linusing that!" No? Terrible idea?
i remember when intel said AMD were using "glue" to stick their dies together, i guess they saw how successful AMD was with their "glue" and said "hey, that's some good glue, maybe we should use some too?"
I'm curious to see how amd's offering is going to be once they adopt ddr5. Especially with the change in how they are making their cpus its going to be an interesting fight going forward
my guess- AMD stays competitive but becomes the hot and thirsty one. Most normal desktop pcs don't run programs that need more than 8 big cores, programs that can actually scale like that, if you do it for a living, you should be buying a Xeon or Threadripper. Intels little cores can scale further on less power for the sort of things a gamer/general user does. AMD is going to need a lot of big cores to stay competitive in multithreaded scores, and have to clock them high to stay competitive in single threaded. I would guess they can use core and power management tactics (like letting one ccx clock a lot higher than the other) to not get too out of hand, but i don't think all core overclocks are going to be very good on them.
Yup. In a Tom's hardware article says that Intel ran their test using Windows 11 without any of the AMD patching, so in reality Intel's performance gains aren't really as impressive as they make them sound.
@@Aki_Lesbrinco this is just Intel doing what Intel does best. Skew results in their favor by basically blowing money at Microsoft to make them work with E cores better and not care about AMD
It is about time someone came up with an idea on how to better disconnect the graphics card from its slot. I wrote to nearly all of the MOBO manufacturers on this 4 years ago to inquire about this and I'm glad they listened---well, at least ASUS has.
That GPU slot button is wonderful! I really hope they haven't patented that because they should all do it.
Asus has a long track record of industry firsts and they haven’t patented any. Which is epic!
I've just updated my system from intel to AMD and I accidentally broke the gpu lock on the mobo because I couldn't reach for the lock!
I really do not understand why the manufacturers don't come up with these solutions from the start. Is just basic UX feedback.
One think I really love about the PC space is the fact most things aren’t ever patented.
For example, the more recent Implementation of screens on the AIO, I believe NZXT was the first to do it and now Corsair is doing it as well.
Another example the metal reinforced GPU Slot for stability, it’s pretty much a standard in high end motherboards now.
And the last example, and my personal favorite. AMD and Intel could easily get royalties for there CPU Cooler retention brackets (more AMD) but they allow anyone to make it.
There’s prob so many examples. But everyone kinda shares and innovates. Whether it not be worth the patent price or not it’s still cool. Then Thermaltake and MSI steal the idea. Hahahahahahaha
Apple has this button in all MacPros
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA "Geniuses..."
Hey Jay, 10:44, they are PCIe 5.0 slots! Also at 11:14, the 6-pin supplemental power is actually mostly for Front Panel USB Type-C Power Delivery. This board supports up to 60W PD 3.0 as well as (Quick Charge) QC 4.0/3.2/2.0 and PPS (Programable Power Supply) mode via the Front Panel Type-C port next to the Power Inlet
That's pretty impressive.
The prices of the high end boards is ridiculous they're 1k upto nearly 2k.
Thanks... i was wondering about the PCIe slots when he said Gen4
@@originalityisdead.9513 no there not, the aorus extreme is 800 ans this board which is top notch oc wise is only $599 the heros are beasts.
@@sagerdood Well clearly I'm not talking about the Gigabyte Motherboards then am i lol, i always use Asus MB the Asus Strix Z690 is £500 up from the £275 of the previous model, the Rampage Extreme is £934.98 and the Etreme Glacial is £1699.99 so yes there are mb that cost upwards and over 1k, I'd normally go for for something in-between the Asus Formula MB was around £700 last generation so this generation if the price increase between boards is similar its will be close to 1k. I'd rather pay more and get something of quality then buy something cheaper and be dissapointed. I've done it before and both times they've been broken, one out the box and the other failed rather quickly, you get what you pay for, then there's RAM which is £330 for 32GB then the i9 12900k that's £579.99, I'm looking at around £1600 for three components, i think il wait, my i7 10700k is still very capable and the rest of my rig is all quality components so il wait, I'm going to get a motorbike instead.
I'm going to miss a jay video every day once jaytober is over
I agree but it must be a lot of work he did that last December (maybe it was on 12 days I can't recall)and said it was really hard to do.
This
What is jayoctober
At least he's stopped digressing finally! :)
Jaysgiving imminent. 🤓
That button to release the clip is clever as hell, so glad they realized this was an issue and addressed it
Can you please do an updated beginners guide on overclocking? Not talking about wanting to see a specific card's speeds, but a very detailed general guide targeted toward those that may have a more budget friendly build and are starting out. Last video i can find like that from your channel is from 6 years ago. And im guessing most of the principles haven't changed. But i dont think we need to know how to overclock with SLI in mind anymore.
From what I've seen from Jay and the other TechTubers, overclocking seems to bring minimal gains anymore. You're going to spend a ton of time messing around with settings and get 5% or less improvement.
If you want to overclock you graphics card just look for "Simple ways to increase GPU performance for FREE" it is a 2 years old video, but it has everything you need.
I have AMD R9 3900X, I'm just using Ryzen Master to overclock my CPU, and really it's not even an overclock, my CPU has an advertised speed of 4.6Ghz and I have to use Ryzen Master just to get an all-care speed of 4.3Ghz I have never actually seen my CPU get 4.6Ghz, if I don't use it them my CPU stays around 3.7Ghz. That's only for AMD though I'm not really sure what kind of auto-overclocking utilities are out for Intel CPUs. As for overclocking your GPU, that is extremely easy to do using MSI Afterburner and Jay has a relevant video about that from a year or two ago that still applies.
@@bw-mx1dy maybe true for GPU overclocking, but definitely not true for CPU and Memory overclocking. If you can't beat 5%, you're doing it wrong.
@@zqzj the issue there is... in real world performance for things that do not earn you money 5% is kind of extremely low. Like... really low. Going from 230 frames to 250 frames wouldn't even be noticeable and thats about 10%. Overclocking became a thing because with older CPUs it was more like 80% increases, which is why Intel kept their cores locked as best they can for so long.
So just to recap; overclocking serves no functional purpose these days because monke brain too stupid to see 5% difference
That slot release button is the most welcome change of all. I started swearing by liquid CPU coolers for the simple fact you just cannot get the GPU out with a big air cooler installed. That is something that should have been there ages ago!!
I love it. Maybe I won't break another retention clip.
@@wickedwonka999 Right?!
right? the one thing people are really gushing over on that motherboard isnt the new tech, it's the handy little button haha
pls. help
Do you know, if I can use a (AIR) Thermalright Macho Rev.B cooler on a 12900 kf whit out total overheating cpu?
One thing I really want, and this sounds kinda weird, is new Pentiums, Celerons, and Atoms, and other low-power low-cost CPUs with the E-cores only. An 8-thread top-spec Pentium that sips power would be great for a lot of thin-and-lights and embedded x86 devices. Maybe it's a 6-core 8-thread with a 2+4 design, but that's more power hungry and is probably more like a low-end i3. Going down to the atoms, a dual core 2-thread design that pulls like 5W would be great for those situations where it just needs to run a certain bit of code that was designed for x86, and the speed isn't super critical. The atomic pi comes to mind.
Wouldn't say weird at all, personally think that's super important.
I'm glad I'm not the only person here thinking about the implications of Alderlake for the Pentiums. That's what I'm excited about
I would like to mention that support for various instruction sets is removed on the E cores. The removal of these is potentially a bad idea on anything but atom processors.
No sleeping on those Ryzen 3s and I3s.
Kids out here buying a scalped 1060 3GB for $400 and then throwing it on a Ryzen 7.
Cost for performance has disappeared.
Then that same kids water cools his Ryzen 7 with a custom loop and distroplate in his O11 Dynamic Razer Edition.
what embedded devices need top power cpus
the ddr5 notch being near the center will make it harder to tell when you have it in backwards. I want the notch like 1/4 from one edge.
When you finish your build and then feel outdated next day. Guess that is just how it goes lol
p.s. First time I got so many likes and comments, thanks! Even though the next gen is on its way, still satisfying when your finished and it BOOTS :)
Exactly how I felt right after I built a 10700K rig. Sold it all and bought a Series S and a Series X
I just finished upgrading to Ryzen 5000 then this comes along. What the hell, Intel?! I mean good job and all but why just now?
Seriously. I just bought a 10900k this time last year for $600 and the leaked performance of the 12900k is 52% gain for the same price. I hate it here.
Here’s the deal with PC technology…
The moment you make the last turn on your last screw on your new build, it’s ANCIENT, OUTDATED and OBSOLETE! 😄
Okay, j/k! It’s not ancient and it’s not obsolete. But one thing you can be certain about at that point is that, it is outdated… the moment you make the last turn on that last screw. 😅
I believe it could be said that it’s outdated the moment that you’ve paid for all the parts that you picked out, or the pre-built that you decided upon and then paid for.
So, you were very close to being correct! But I would say that it does not take until the next day. The moment I’m done doing a build, I see new stuff on RUclips that makes my brand new build outdated.
Just my two cents even though I’m not Jay! 😄
I mean i just build an older generation with r5 3600 but now it feels more old
In 2019 the Moore's Law Is Dead channel said Intel would have nothing to compete with Ryzen until the awesome Golden Cove cores shipped in late 2021. THAT DAY HAS ARRIVED.
Also said 50% more IPC.....
@@kevinerbs2778 over what gen? You may want to go back and watch.... he was right.
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 If Intel dies then you will be screwed harder by AMD than Intel could have imagined.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Guess you haven't noticed how much AMD charges for those faster chips.... they aren't your friend.
Considering that this generation is new RAM, new socket, new PCI-e spec & new OS; I am surprised that intel didn't spec for 12VO power only.
that sort of surprised me too. youre not going to want to drop a thousand dollars on this release board just to find out that intel wants to swing 12VO in like 6 months
My PC is relatively old, but I feel bummed that my new PSU will be redundant pretty soon😬
241 watts for the 12900k stock, that's double the 5950x. The future is hot.
double 5950x? well my cinebench r23 run tells me 220watts? you realize something?
@@reijhinru1474 stock they are capped to 141 watts, if you overclock or use PBO it can draw more power
@@ExGavalonnj i unlocked it because capped this cpu makes no fucking sense the clocks are trash with 140 watts!
Such a clean Motherboard design that the Vengeance RAM sticks just blend in
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 with out intel pushing amd they will go down the same route intel did they increased there price of the 5000 series cpus by 50 dollars because there was no competition at the time now that intel is moving in a better Direction we might see price dropping without intel price will just keep going up
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Cool story bro
@@FuckJewTube664 I wouldn't mind that. I'm not fan of RGB lights. Seems completely pointless to me.
yeah, "beautiful desing of motherboard" is something that we need. more "beautiful" stuff for feminized boys
Dat gpu retention switch tho!!! Definitely needs to be standard!!
that retention button is a freaking life saver XD
Definitely need it. I HAVE to take my cpu cooler off whenever i need to take my GPU out.
That includes when i mess something up in BIOS and have to take the cmos battery out, as that's underneath my gpu
Yep I'm guilty of using a screwdriver this is pretty smart
the memory sticks are backwards completable you just need a bigger hammer
The word you're looking for is Dremel!
Wait few weeks or maybe a month's and Chinese guy will make ddr4 to ddr5 adapter or something like that 🤣
@@ABrt For $15 and it'll work.
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Take the seriousness elsewhere, serf! This be a joke thread!
I like that the press packaging is just "Hey, no fluff here, just good old technology"
Loving the design of that board, the heatsinks are going to love the Ryujin 2.
Downside of being a PC enthusiast, I built my PC about two years ago, I have a 9900k, and now the 12900k is coming out and I want it lol. I don't need it, but I want it!!!
Why do you care? I doubt you’ll see much of a difference. As I also own a 9900k and never had an issue with it bottlenecking. Even when I get 140fps on bfv, bfv at 5ghz only has my 9900k at abojt 50-60% and at 76c after about 3 hours of gaming in a hot Florida room at 3pm. The room is easily 80 degrees Fahrenheit
I've been running a 9900K since those launched. I'm probably going to upgrade, depending on the reviews of these.
Meanwhile I'm still on a 7700K; looking forward to the upgrade.
I have a 10900k paired with 3080 . I think i will wait 2-3 years for ddr5 platform to mature .
Already looking forward to trying to insert my memory upside down
So true
Exactly my thought, The notch already felt way too centered on DDR4, and now on DDR5 its even closer to the middle of the module?! Makes me wonder if it really would've been that much harder to route the traces with the notch far to one Side like in PCI express...
@@nicholasweiss4662 My exact thoughts, I remember very well the day I put a stick of DDR ram backwards...
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Why intel in particular? Any corporation will do this if they are unchallenged. Need an example? US medical bills. Someone fainted because it was hot. Unwanted 12,000$ medical bill for pretty much nothing.
Thank you for all you're entertaining videos. Had a rough year, almost died to brain bleed and a stroke. Been doing really well in therapy to recover from it though. I watch pretty much every video you've put out, and want to say thank you for them all, I'm glad to see a new Jays video every time I look at RUclips. Thanks again for all the entertainment!
Hope you recover fully Rick, or at least make some solid progress sounds like a terrible thing to have to endure 🙏
@@rare6499 Thank you, I'm doing really well therapy has helped a bunch, Hopefully it's only better from here.
Imagine people just sending you this shit on release.
Livin the dream.
Right lol. Then the next video will be “Why Can’t Anyone Buy Any 12th Gen CPU’s???” followed by a barrage of RTX 40 porn…
I'm not upgrading my computer CPU anytime soon I'm perfectly happy with my old fashioned 3950x overclocked to 4.3Ghz. It has run well for me.
Hell, my 6700k and 2080super are still treating me good.
11600K @ 4.9 GHZ here.
Same will be sticking with my 10700k for a while.
Meanwhile I'm stuck with a 2060super that needs to upgrade.
@@caribbaviator7058 better than what I have am using a 1660 super.
What a BEAST of a board! I'm looking forward to your coverage!
Intel: "12900K beats everything AMD has!" (meanwhile zero availability, and the samples sent to reviewers are 'golden silicon')
Its better to be scammed by AMDs pricing
The 240W figure making its rounds doesn't bode well either
@@Knaeckebrotsaege 240W?! Oof
Man this makes me excited for the AM5 motherboards, I hope they get the same kind of upgrades. So happy we are going to be getting competition from both sides.
Intel Alderlake will probably win this year then AM5 will come out and tear Intel another ***hole
@@Capellix0001 But according to the charts raptor lake also launches next year, so who truly knows. AMD is still struggling with chip volume as well.
AMD have refreshed of Zen3 coming inbetween aswell. Either way, this is what we want, it's good to have both sides throwing punches. Last thing we want is another period of stagnation like we had for almost a decade with Intel.
@@jaylapointe1654 AMD struggling with chip volume is a good thing. Not for consumers, of course, but for the company. It means that there is a tremendous demand for their product and can't keep supply on the shelves.
Been rocking my 10700k for almost a year.
No regrets buying this, its a god damn champ.
Beautiful board, beautiful RAM, and really excited to see Intel stepping it up.
That box closing at 4:37 is so satisfying.
Would be interesting to see the 12700k vs a 5900x both running the same ddr4 kit to see an apples to apples comparison. I feel like ddr5 will be an advantage in and of itself if only intel is running it when being compared. As soon as AMD has a ddr5 compatible cpu i'm sure it will flip again. Feels kind of nice having two really good options.
RAM doesn't typically make that much difference to intel. Also since AMD fixed the poor interconnect latency, RAM is less impactful for them as well.
@@jaylapointe1654 true when looking at going from like 3000 to 3600 ddr4. But I'm sure there will be more of an impact when going from ddr4 at 3600 to ddr5 at 6000 when paired with the other improvements of ddr5, not just the frequency. Only time will tell
These first batch DDR5 kits actually perform worse than latest DDR4 kits.
@@Alex-wb2yw DDR5 has much much worse latency than DDR4.
@@ThesurgeoNNN Wikipedia says 5 Nov 2020 for 5950x. And I would say compare the hell out of it. Intel has been gimped by 14nm for years while AMD ran forwards with better silicon.
12:34 The board is so heavy that when Jay raised it, it bended the motherboard xD
So, the Windows 10 scheduler won't know what to really do with the 11th gen parts? Guess that's a deal breaker for me... at least for now.
Another way Microsoft cons you to upgrade and be a guinea pig.
11 is trash and I won't touch it until I'm forced to for some reason.
Or move to Linux.
That’s my plan when Windows 10 is all said and done, switching to Linux. Eventually I won’t have any other choice. Unless there’s a Windows 12 and it’s like how Windows 7 was after Vista. Otherwise, Linux.
I dont understand why win11 needs to be a thing. Win10 took a while to be less buggy and now runs pretty well. Dont have much to complain about except the garbage online stuff pushed by microsoft. They say its privacy protection but how is it more protected than not having account information in the first place? I dont get it. All about ads probably.
@@Xirpzy Had they fixed the privacy issues and stop focusing on trying to suck people into an ecosystem, I could see the need for Windows 11. The other issue with Windows 10 are the big feature updates. I've had them cause a lot of strange issues that have required a reinstall. Unfortunately, the first two they seemed to double down on while causing more issues.
Hey Jay, I noticed you were in Microcenter in Tustin, Ca in one of your videos. I grew up in Santa Ana, worked for Placentia Post Office for 34 years, retired in Las Vegas. Fry's closed down here in Vegas so I can only shop at MicroCenter in Tustin or Newegg. Most of my photography clients are in Los Angeles. I'm currently building a new computer of 2 years, I have a I7 I9-9900K, I'm building to I7-12700K. Asus Tuf
z690 motherboard with DDR4 Memory. DDR5 is too pricey for me at this time. Thank you for all you videos, they have been very helpful.
It’s surreal seeing those highly rated clocks on those kits, imagine ddr6
Bro, DDR7 🤤
@@whoaitstiger ah man, what about DDR 8?!!?!
Clocks are high but performance not so much the latency on these ddr5 sticks is huge
@@amicuscuriae DDR DOGE!
No Jays, for the second time, the additional headers are not for extra power on GPUs, it's usually for external power delivery (PD) from front USB-C connectors!
I’m excited to see the 12600K performance, I’ve been looking for an upgrade and ever since the B series boards started allowing overclocking Intel started being viable for me
Edit: Either you guys are really stupid or really think you’re funny. I didn’t win anything, that guy is a scammer or a bot.
Thanks for watching
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"You don't wanna stick anything metal down in there" ~ Jay 2021
Requiring Windows 11 will probably be a deal breaker.
With Intel, I think it'll be fine. I believe they've been working with Microsoft extensively.
Funny part is they could sell none of these to a single gamer and still sell more CPUs then AMD do to the fact they have the laptop and prebuilt manufacturers by the kahunas.
I agree I game on Linux at age 61 AMD 3900x and a old 1070ti EVGA until I get my email from EVGA in next few months for a 3070. I'm not as fast anymore but my old 1070ti still steams along. No overclock, long life.
All this new tech is absolutely insane just when you think we cant get any better
lol thanks cornball
Those vengeance sticks ooohhhhhh! So clean! Love the design.
The elongated CPU cooler mounting holes are actually a bad idea except for heavily overclocking centered boards like this!
The reason is that the z-height is different than all the old Intel sockets so using your old brackets will lead to bad contact, and the new brackets that do get the cooler at the right height uses the new spacing. Even with this board there will be a significant number of people who buy it without actually wanting to overclock ("expensive means better for everything, right?").
And the x16 slot-retention unlock button is PURE GENIUS. Especially if you use tower coolers but even just the M.2 slot just above it can be bad enough.
When you test performance to do the Ryzen comparison, possible suggestion: could you test it with launch win11, and with all current patches, to see if any/how much of the performance advantage over 59xx was related to the Win11 bugs related to Ryzen?
Why do that if the bugs have already been patched? EVERYONE using windows 11 currently does not have to deal with the performance bugs, some of which also impacted intel. Like why even care about something in the past? He will bench with the latest updates, and show the current performance differences.
@@jaylapointe1654 spec sheet releases showed a huge alder lake improvement on Ryzen, but it appears they were done when those bugs still existed. Would be interesting to see if the benchmark comparison lined up with the pre or post patch, or neither
Most of those were "Leaks" and unofficial so I don't think it really matters. Everything unofficial is typically meaningless and fake.
They were leaks of official documents that'd been posted before the embargo was lifted. It may not really matter in terms of defining the actual performance, but I (and I imagine others) would be interested in identifying not just the actual performance compared to Ryzen, but the underpinnings of potentially disparate pre-release comparisons.
Additionally, those differences well exceed the performance uplift that Intel had previously been telling us to expect from Alder Lake vs gen 4 Ryzen, so it's an interesting curiousity, imo.
Please test how far you can push DDR4 on Alder Lake in Gear 1 and compare it to Z490 (which can do well into mid 4000s without "Gears") and Z590 (peaks around 3733-4000 in Gear 1 depending on lottery), and then compare that to the DDR5 performance so we can know if it's worth it to jump to DDR5 now for gaming performance or not. Might also want to post the full memory timings trained by the board, though as far as I know, that shouldn't be an issue if you're keeping it in the same family for the comparison (i.e, Asus boards will train similar timings).
Like with AMD's performance claims with each new product reveal, I take Intel's numbers with a pich of salt. It appears that the comparison benchmarks they ran used Windows 11 before any update or patching for the AMD performance issues. So in reality performance is probably closer between Intel's newest and AMD's 5000 series.
Not when the AMD benchmarks were almost all done on Windows 10 with zero performance loss issues. Whether you believe big/little is good or not, those Golden Cove P cores absolutely demolish Zen3 in single threaded performance. over 100pts margin in cpu-z is bonkers, there is no "err well yea but thats a synthetic" argument with a gap like that.
@@eclipsegst9419 wow 1 gen onward crushes the last gen wow. Zen3D seems to be quite a bit faster then zen3 already
@@eclipsegst9419 I specifically mention Windows 11 performance. I don't have any preconceived notions of wether the big/little cpu architecture is better or worse. The fact of the matter is that their Windows 11 benchmarks were done without the patching and that can hit AMDs performance hard in some scenarios. My comment still stands. Any Windows 10 benchmarks that are currently available are not valid either, they are all "leaks". I don't believe any performance claims in leaks or company benchmarks. The only benchmarks I take seriously are when the embargoes are lifted and actual reviewers do their tests. AMD and Nvidia have also been sketchy with their benchmarking. With all that said, I think it's a good thing that Intel pushed themselves this time and I'm pretty sure these CPUs will be good, but we don't really know if they will equal or beat AMD. And if they beat AMD, by how much?
I'm surprised it doesn't have 32 threads like the 5950x.
@@kas-lw7xz AMD released CPUs that lost to last year's Intel for over 8 years and all the and boys said "Intel is dead" when 5000 came out.
@10:45 * PCIE 5.0. Both top x16 size slots. Bottom is 4.0. Other nifties on this beauty is HDMI 2.1 for the IGP, 2x Thunderbolt 4 ports with DisplayPort 1.4 support, and usb c 2x2 header for case front IO with 60W QuickCharge 4 support.
Please make sure to test frametimings, between 5950x and 12900k as well! :)
The new lga 1700 locking mechanism is like lga 775 amazing.
Gotta love the very month you build your first PC, DDR5 comes out 😅
Happened to me with DDR4 lol. Don't worry about it to much!
I mean it was known for some time now so you could have waited. But then again you defenitely chose the more affordable option with ddr4.
I bought a top spec M15 R3 and like 40 days later Cherry MX Keyboard and 3080 dropped. I also have a MSI RTX 3090 Suprim X 24G not being used because I can’t seem to find a MSI GODLIKE mobo to go with it (which is in my favor I guess now), but then comes the RTX 3090 Ti. I have a 32GB DDR4 Kit, but should be able to sell that easy.
Edit: Oh, and the AW3421DW came out after I bought my AW3420DW. Heh. I did get a AW2721D though, which will probably get a matching AW2722D on the other side of the AW3420DW.
@@Len_M. I’m playing the worlds ti priest violin for you rn
@@mainframehacker Yes, poor me.
8:55
Exactly. At some point I damaged a motherboard because of that. There was barely any space between the gpu and cpu cooler even for a screwdriver. Also the bracket was very tight so I had to use some force with the screwdriver and sometimes it slipped and touched the motherboard (I didn't give it any importance at the time). One of those times the tip of the screwdriver cut a wire from the motherboard and it stopped working.
I tested every component separately, found out the motherboard is the cause and after inspecting it for a very long time I noticed there were chips in the paint near the bracket and a cut wire. I soldered it and it worked.
I glued a piece of rubber to a thin metal rod and that's how I open those brackets now.
high-revving "p-cores" and economical "e-cores" make perfect sense in battery-powered devices. in a desktop system though? could just be obviated by scheduler, affinity and power-down tweaks among existing cores. but of course, that won't be necessary if you're the foremost cpu provider, and can lean on the foremost OS provider to favour one type of architecture across the board in their future products - and "incidentally", end up poised as the only provider of said architecture.
Plenty of room for bullshit yeah :D
12:03 "it's the same width but longer" 🤣🤣
Moot point for me. I’m still sideways waiting for gpu’s to normalize again. Hell I’d be happy with a 5600XT.
They will never come down. They will blame crypto but truth is they like the increased profits and demand.
Can't wait to built a new computer with these new ASUS motherboards, DDR5, and the 12900k. I'm not even going to buy any parts though until I can get a new GPU, I could just use my 2080Ti with it but I'd like to take advantage of what the 30 series has to offer, so once the shortage ends I'll upgrade
I don't understand, does the elongated holes allow for the same mounting bracket as LGA115x and LGA1200 to be used?
Because if so then why change it in the first place, am I missing something?
@ResistanceofNWO How is that supposed to help? If the alternate holes allow for old backplates to be used, then there was no need to change the placement of the holes. Unless the new placement of the holes are meant to open up for an even larger socket in the future, but then why change it now and not at that time?
3:52 Typical jay new hardware RIP KEKW good old days :>
I'd be interested to see if turning off hyper threading on the i9 would be beneficial for certain workloads.
As far as I know it will make an E core a higher priority than an encumbered vertical thread for high priority tasks. Assuming all the Pcores are loaded with at least one thread each. But it may depend on the application and how it is flagged at compile.
@@wishusknight3009 -- i'm using it for gaming , seems like this will really rock. I do flight sim which is demanding as hell but isn't the best at using all the cores, but i run a lot of other ancillary programs in the background including that make flight sim even better so I'm guessing that this 12900K will smash the hell out of all of those other thread necessities?
@@dabneyoffermein595 I don't know. I am still pretty much convinced that the hybrid core thing is a gimmick. The Zen3 core consists of many fewer transistors and is significantly smaller in silicon size and hits similar IPC. And this is on a process of only slightly smaller feature size and gate length. The pragmatic approach it would seem. And so far it the 12k series has not shown its capable of being as efficient even in mundane and lightly threaded workloads where zen shows it can achieve a good middle ground.
I am not saying the 12k series isn't impressive. It really is. But I don't think it is quite the right way to go on x86 on the desktop. This isn't exactly the same as a cell phone where it makes more sense.
The extra bulk in the P-cores seems to come from a mostly DOE AVX512 capability that needs the E-cores disabled to function. (though this is probably something they will remedy next gen).
For me this boils down to it needing more time for me to be convinced its worth the effort.
You got the same setup I am trying to build more or less. Also you're in great shape man I'm inspired by you losing weight for surgery you look great!
Excited to see where both AMD and Intel are at when Zen 4 relases. I'm probably gonna stick with AMD but competition is good for everyone.
Already being listed above MSRP and sold out, I think I'll stick with an 8700k till next launch or maybe the one after that, the motherboards for Intel being so god damn expensive don't really help
I use one of the thin plastic wedges that came with my ifixit kit to hit that little release tab. Thanks Jay and ifixit.
that pci-e unlock button is a god send. so many butt holes have been puckered trying to stick a flathead in there to unlock the gpu
At 10:20 shouldn't the RAM be in the outer slots to enable dual-channel or is it different with DDR5? I know it was a demonstration and you popped it out right after but I'm still curious.
Also, according to LTT the tests were all done on Windows 11 while Ryzen still had Windows scheduling issues that hamstrung its performance.
Even ddr4 has dual channel in the first and third slot. The thing with dual channel is that you have to place the dimms in the first and third slot or the second and fourth slot. The thing you are asking is probably the ram OC capabilities, it should be better if placed in the second and fourth slot as you pointed out
I am a non-native English speaker, if I messed up something or didn't explain well enough let me know
that is still true even for DDR5
jay was just showing a demonstration for the notches and the RAM itself
@@lorenzocampolucci4464 Ah that makes sense. Thanks for the correction
@@Escher99 you are welcome
RAM clipping sounds ASMR.....please Phil give us 15 min of just RAM slotting shots
I'm looking forward to the performance tests. It will be interesting to see if Intel is serious about competing again with AMD, which has cleaned its clock for the past few years.
agreed. it's the back and forth that gets us the best hardware. im pretty excited to see how these little things run. my big rig is currently all AMD, but my wife's is a beefy intel setup.
"if Intel is serious" lol what crazy hyperbole. You say it like they haven't been serious. What you saw in 10 and 11th gen were things already in motion. It's not like they just made those overnight as a half hearted response to AMD. It took AMD a decade to develop a response to Intel. Intel can get a couple years before people start saying "ThEy ArEnT SeRiOuS aBoUt CoMpEtInG"
guys, in 3D rendering purpose, do you prefer Intel over Ryzen?
Please, honest opinion please
4:26 the packaging designer and marketing team just died a little inside. “Did he just want a little crappy box?”
Im going to wait to see what AMD offers
You need a proper handsaw / hacksaw thingy on the pinup backboard behind your head. Bought a Sandvik item of same description back in the '90's and still with me today. Has a screw that adjusts blade tension the way you want it. Works for me 30 years.
Keep up the stellar contributions Jay - much appreciated here on the slightly whiter shade of pale in darkest Africa.
This BUTTON was called "Bolt Release". It must be adapted by secret technology of military was used about 50 years ago. Well done ASUS.
military technology is shit anyways. look how many deadlined vehicles we have just sitting there all over the US.
Great now the dems are going to try to add this to there "gun control" list...
"have to be on Win 11 to use any of it" That's a BIG Red Flag for me...
Jay, is there a reason you put the ram in the 1st and 3rd slots and not the typical 2nd and 4th slots? Is that new with DDR5? I must know.
i know ASUS in there recent iterations of DDR4 boards have actually made it possible to do either or with no downside. So maybe with this too.
I don't think 1/3 or 2/4 matters in terms of first addressed. As long as the channels are paired
I'm going to assume it was literally for demonstrational purposes, not thoughtfully placed.
Can't wait to see the "sold out" button .001 seconds after release.
This might be the platform I go from my 4790k. Excited to see the performance, not so much the prices :D
5800x would be better
@@denverbasshead that's complete horseshit
Let’s see how windows 10 with this new stuff will do
@@danielredziniak2996 windows 11 will perform way better tho
Be aware the cpu will be broken with some older software cause of its performance cores. Its a thing that could be fixed but who knows what priority that is
Cya my good i5 2500k old friend! You were awesome but its time for a change :P
Are we ever going to talk about diminishing returns?
You mean how this chip competes with the 5950x, only requiring twice or more the power to do it? LOL.
You could almost say, moore's law is dead
I have built +50 PC’s, beginning many years ago with AMD. Great memories sitting in the basement overclocking (unlocking) using tape, superglue, and windshield defrost repair pen. Then back to Intel, for many years. No desire to build a new system for years though. Not sure why but this MB and Intel Gen 12 have my juices flowing.
Thanks for watching
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Remember when Intel dismissed the idea of Ryzen as a threat and mocked the chiplet design? Boy did that aged like milk.
well technically intel are still on a ringbus design until Meteor lake ( 2023 )
death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@SilentRito death to intel! i wll never buy intel again. 2500K from 2011 until 2017 was my last intel cpu then got ryzen 1700 in 2017and from now on i will be getting only amd. I say it as someone who has been pc user since 1996 when i was 9 years old and got my first pc. all these year intel has been eating our money selling overpriced cpu because they had not competition until 2017w ith ryzen 1000 release.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 I couldn't care less about brands
Whoever makes the best product for my budget gets my money
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Yes, death to the competition. Let one company dictate the whole market. Brilliant...
Just finish building my all MSI i7 11700k sheesh…….. now I’m going to have to get this even when I don’t need it.
I hope the AMD spends more R&D on Vulkan and Linux. Give Windows a run for its money. I am loving Manjaro at the moment, so fast when opening up applications compared to my Windows 10.
What’s r&d and vulkan and manjaro?
@@supersop1367 Three new MMOs in development for 2023.
3:28 you can't polish a turd, whether they put it in a little black box, or a nice shiney big black box, its still a turd in a box.
I don't like the architecture. I know, weird comment, but this honestly feels like cheating in a way. This is literally Intel and Microsoft teaming up to go up against AMD. Yes, I say that just because of the scheduler. We've already seen Windows 11 have some weirdness when it comes to AMD chips so these 2 happening at the same time just seems fishy to me
Yeah, it's obviously a scheme. There's no way it's a coincidence.
Yeah I can’t wait for embargo to be lifted and the AMD patch to really see the difference. I’m guessing 5% increase to Intel new Gen after full AMD support on Windows 11.
And I’m sorry 15% doesn’t even make me upgrade a CPU meanwhile change a whole platform for 5%. Nope nope nope
Imagine being able to get new computer parts and build one... can't be me :(
Jay trying to read those memory sticks with those, "We're getting old" eyes delayed read back.
Hi I live in Norway and have already made an order for 12900K, Asus Hero motherboard and 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR5 5200 Mhz memory, all was already in stock!
So I will get it late next week😁
I'll be happy when we can stop calling the process of opening a box an experience. Excited to see all of the testing though.
7:00 -- That motherboard looks like a tiny stadium, encompassing the CPU, and cheering it on.
I'm wondering if Intel will make some Xeon cpus with only E-cores? Looking at the size comparison of P-cores vs E-cores, they could put alot of E-cores on a single cpu and i bet the multi threaded performance would be pretty darn good.
The problem is that the E cores will not have HT(Hyper-Threading), which would make it worse than a P core when performance matters. The Xeons could use a bunch of E cores for low power tasks, but the P cores will matter more when push comes to shove.
@@lukewt456 if you check out the xeon D lineup they are less power hungry and many skus don’t have HT. They are a big hit for edge devices or iOT. I think there are many use cases for lower powered cpus that don’t boost high or have HT.
@@lukewt456 1 core with 2 threads < 4 cores with 4 threads, we will just have to wait and see.
@@bubbafats6246 If you're comparing a 10th gen i7 core(for that 1 core with 2 threads) vs a 6th gen i7 with HT disabled(for that 4 cores with 4 threads) and core frequency locked at a pretty low value(let's just say 2.3GHz for some clarity), your 10th gen core would easily be rtunning miles around a core. Having numbers only can make up that difference, and will not help it outperform the latter. That's the situation with how Alder Lake would operate, and it's likely how the hybrid CPUs would going forward.
@@MikhailJathan Most of the Xeon D lineup do have HT, contrary to what is claimed. Why wouldn't they when they're based on the same architecture as consumer-based CPUs?
As a guy with very large hands I have to say that PCI-E release button is fantastic! AMD needs to have this on their boards.
We need a TechTuber agreement:
Any Drops are to be called "Linusing" or "Linused" or "Linus".
EX: Jay drops things repeatedly, Phil is to yell "Jay! Stop Linusing that!"
No? Terrible idea?
The fact that this z690 motherboard is $600 is ridiculous. As time goes on im sure prices will drop as the tech continues to develop.
Being an "early adopter" is always expensive.
i remember when intel said AMD were using "glue" to stick their dies together, i guess they saw how successful AMD was with their "glue" and said "hey, that's some good glue, maybe we should use some too?"
remember when AMD said the same thing about the Pentium D and Core2Quad Q6600? Yea that was a thing.
Crazy how big even just the "normal" CPUs even have gotten over the years. Starting to look like an aerial shot of NYC Central Park right there :P
now I'm happy that I didn't buy a pc for a year because of gpu shortage and pricing otherwise I would've miss out on all of this
to bad i upgraded to the i9-11900k last month... i kinda regret it right now
@@yungyesus1301 I'm still sitting on my x370 board knowing, that the next few months will determine what is the best upgrade path
Why aren't they (Asus) working with a 12v ONLY Power Supply delivery on this Board?? I thought this was the golden year of change!
I'm curious to see how amd's offering is going to be once they adopt ddr5. Especially with the change in how they are making their cpus its going to be an interesting fight going forward
my guess- AMD stays competitive but becomes the hot and thirsty one. Most normal desktop pcs don't run programs that need more than 8 big cores, programs that can actually scale like that, if you do it for a living, you should be buying a Xeon or Threadripper. Intels little cores can scale further on less power for the sort of things a gamer/general user does. AMD is going to need a lot of big cores to stay competitive in multithreaded scores, and have to clock them high to stay competitive in single threaded. I would guess they can use core and power management tactics (like letting one ccx clock a lot higher than the other) to not get too out of hand, but i don't think all core overclocks are going to be very good on them.
wow thanks for showing it to me ! I was as close as build an complete new rig in Black Friday !
The performance was probably windows 11 with the AMD bugs running rampant. I doubt the leaks are going to match what you're going to observe
Yup. In a Tom's hardware article says that Intel ran their test using Windows 11 without any of the AMD patching, so in reality Intel's performance gains aren't really as impressive as they make them sound.
@@Aki_Lesbrinco this is just Intel doing what Intel does best. Skew results in their favor by basically blowing money at Microsoft to make them work with E cores better and not care about AMD
Looking forward to complete your Intel 12 gen gaming pc and tests. Learned allot from only watching your videos. Proud fan from South Africa
you do know the way
3:57 woah there linus drop tips
The unlocking mechanism for the PCIe slot is literally all that I need.
I broke my GPU lock off my MB it still stays in fine
I can't wait until this "competition" results in lower prices like it used to.
once stock and supply issues normalize in about 3 more generations.....
It is about time someone came up with an idea on how to better disconnect the graphics card from its slot. I wrote to nearly all of the MOBO manufacturers on this 4 years ago to inquire about this and I'm glad they listened---well, at least ASUS has.