As if things couldn't get worse for Microsoft... This Windows 11 issue is unacceptable!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- If you have an AMD CPU then you should NOT upgrade to Windows 11... Here's why!
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"Your system is not able to support Windows 11"
Good.
Exactly my reaction! I was happy this buggy drama queen will not install on my PCs automatically.
Oh no, what am I gonna do!
It's like being told you can't run Vista.
@@MrEnterthehole i couldn't care less about their security updates.
Direct x is the only thing worth considering.
Microsofts security patches have a tendency to break more than they fix and create even more security issues.
I'd be happy if they stop updating and let it be.
People will be surprised how miniscule of an effect it will be. Windows 7 users are stilll running happily with asuperior OS without issues or security concerns.
If you're prone to needing the security fixes because of lack of knowledge, no security fix will ever be enough.
Start browsing thoughtfully, block ads and you never have an issue.
when I installed my 5950x, it said your eligible for windows 11. I paused my updates for good right now.
"Your system is not able to support Windows 11"
Alternative wording:
"Your system is protected from Windows 11"
lmao good one)
lol
Go into bios turn TPM off.
lol
Windows 11 installs without TPM with the LabConfig switch!
No, Microsoft's "Upgrade to Windows 10" prompts originally had something like "Yes" and "No" options, with "No" and clicking the X on the prompt still counting as "Yes, just not immediately". After a couple months of backlash they eventually changed it to "Yes" and "Later" while disabling the X (no more lying, hooray?). Then a year or so later they finally changed it back to "Yes" and "No" and made "No" actually mean No! (most people had been forcibly upgraded by this point)
It was a massive shit storm and a complete and utter dick move from Microsoft, like holy shit was that bad!
All this time I thought I was alone…but Cortana was there with me all along, it’s poetic.
Cortana has been two timing you with a few million others ;)
Its so frustrating having to constantly move away from a perfectly working system to a forced buggy 'upgrade'
So don't.... don't update to windows 11 until it's stable. Windows 10 is fully supported until 2025. And 11 just came out moments ago.
if your current rigs runs fine, just don't "update" ;)
Since when has MyCrud$oft Windoze been a "perfectly working system"? BTW, I am a long-time Mac user finally migrating to Linux on a former Windows 7 PC.
Windows 10 had never been in a "perfectly working" state for me.
Windows 7 is. Window XP was. Never windows 10.
And I don't want to buy new hardware for the fact that there is no driver support for windows 7. I'm forced to buy older hardware because windows 10 suck big time.
Isn’t it fixed now?
If Cortana was listening to me this whole time she would be curled up in a corner crying.
same mwahahaha
"Cortana, search for Cortana rule 34"
@@ffwast HAHAHA
No. As we saw with M$ chat bot, they can learn. So cortana, probably just turned machinophobic, or even better FSF and OpenSource adept and will insist on you installing Linux
@@ffwast why did i just google that... sigh *facepalms*
Surely AMD can sue Microsoft for this, this must breach EU anti competition laws?
I'm sure they're looking into it.
@@SuperPuzzler I am sure Microsoft and Intel have hired lobbyists from around Brussels to wine and dine the commisioners, maybe thrown in some high class hookers to sweeten the deal so any legislation will come down on their side and not the consumers.
They can't. Microsoft has patnered with intel. And it is your fault that you are using AMD to run an operating system that is meant to be optimised for intel. Just upgrade to an intel cpu. Simple. Antitrust laws doesnot work like that. They have collaborated. Although you can sue them for anti competitive issue for EDGE, the most intrusive and horrible browser.
@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394while there isn’t evidence microsoft is purposely throttling amd yet (“we optimized for the most popular cpus”) I don’t think you have a firm understanding of anti trust law in the US, much less the EU
@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394Nah. If there is proof that it's being done on purpose, I guarantee you that they can sue.
This is why I always wait with any significant upgrade like this, even though I use Intel and would not suffer too much from this particular issue, you never know what is to come.
I remember the times where upgrades would bring us faster and more efficient things... Those were the days
i memba
they ran out of bugs to fix in Windows 10.. soo they released Windows 11 with even more bugs to fix... its called Microsoft job security!! lol
And OS-es coming out as a finished product. Oh wait.....that was never
@@Fragnar13 oh my god, you are a legend. Oooo membeer ghost bustaaaasss
@@rknudson1407 no, they got tired of trying to fix them and no longer worry about the courts having any effect on any actions.
"Your computer isn't compatible for 11"
Me: "Oh no! Anyway"
dsme here
xD same , still rocking an old 5960x chip , works just fine as my work station apparently not good enough for windows lol
Great newws!
This is like skipping Vista. Darn.
ME: I can make it work. And I did...lol
One issues I’ve had is when using the option in settings to remove temporary files, it actually deleted my entire windows folder and I had to do a fresh install of windows. I lost everything on my main drive because of it
It deleted my fingerprint and password memory meaning I couldn’t log back in, bizarre.
This is exactly why I never adapt new Operating Systems early. I'll switch eventually, but probably not until I absolutely have to when Windows 10 reaches end of life.
Ill get win 11 when win 12 is released it should work by then. I literally just upgraded to win 10 after being on win 8.1 since its release
or switch to linux.
Meh.
No system I owned had Vista or 8.
Microsoft's "shit-hot" cadence means you can skip every second release
@@JoseReyes-im3pk
There's always the Betamax guy....
exactly! I switched to win 10 only like 2 years ago :D and only because there was some games that didnt support win 7 anymore ....
Microsoft: They didn't say no so they kinda said yes
Also Microsoft: We're going to pester you with these notifications every month or so. Your options are "Yes" and "Remind me later"
Kinda rapey, no?
"update hesitant"
Jayz, I noted the tires in the background. Is the weight of a future build going to be so heavy that you'll need those to move it?
With the new update what do you think about upgrading now? I’m updating my work computer now but I’m scared to update my gaming machine and my wife’s video editing rig. I know I can reverse it but still the hassle.
So, basically if I want to underclock my Ryzen CPU, I don't need to mess with BIOS settings, just "update" to Windows 11 and boom, slower it goes, right?
That would be artificial bottlenecking, not underclocking.
@@erkinalp you need to buy a real cpu intel lol
It's a feature!
Nope, the two issues with Ryzen chips have been fixed. There's a Windows Update to address the cache latency issue, and the core assignment issue was fixed in a chipset driver update released by AMD.
@@pdegan2814 Would be nice if win 11 updates work and dont fail and revert back
"Hey AMD, nice CPUs you got there, it would be a real shame if something were to happen with its performance..."
it was intel's plan all along muhahahahaha (Intel maniacally laughs)
Intel and Microsoft 'collabing' for Win 11
Microsoft: "What about AMD CPU's?"
Intel: "What about them?"
Hey AMD i want to play a game with you... (Somewhere in Korea)
Maybe this is what Intel meant about AMDs days being numbered. They did all their testing in windows 11.
Intel approves of this message.
In the past, I heard that you should not upgrade to windows 11 if you had a Rysen CPU (I have a 3900X, os Asus X570) for performance reasons. Is this still the case? For a computer used for 3D CAD and gaming would you recommend upgrading to Windows 11, or stick with Windows 10 for a while longer? I haven't heard much os vs hardware talk in a while. Can you give an update?
Can we have an update on this? Directstorage??? Any pros? Im on Ryzen 5 3600 with 5700 xt and upgrade ready to windows 11 has come up. Should I go for it now in April 2022 or hold off?
Never upgrade to a newer OS the moment it comes out. Always wait for reviews and upgrade once all the gremlins are solved.
It has not come up yet, has it?
Remember the upgrade where a ton of early adopters lost ALL their files? Granted, you should always have a full backup, but at that stage full backups were more problematic than now.
Similar to the new m(R(N)A) OS updates. 80% of people are already using it, is not a valid argument for me to try it. Are there anybugs? Is an eventual rollback possible? Or will I be stuck with a buggy OS?
Always skip Windows versions. Wait for every other version to get at least a 1 year shakedown.
Or install and let your machine's data help improve it
I wasn't planning on upgrading, but definitely not now if they are doing AMD like this. I will hold on to 10 for as long as I can.
at least they get all the bugs sorted and performance issues on ryzen
This is smart decision. W11 will need at least one year to grown-up. W10 at start (release) was also not that great.
Ayo r5 5600x here 150 plus on cinabench from win 11 if u got new hardware try it out u can keep all ur files my cinabench r20 multithreaded is a solid 4650 now compared to a 4500 4450 take that with a grain of sand because really shouldn't make a diff it's all the same.. The big but tho , it really depends on ur use case I see the appeal to wait but if u a nerd and want max performance win 11 will be the way. Sry for drag on
I only just upgraded from Windows 7. It was only when software I wanted to run mandated Windows 10 that I upgraded. I'll wait literally to the last second to upgrade to Windows 11 too...
I'm waiting for Star Citizen's Vulkan support to mature, at that point I'm planning to finally be able to shake the Windows virus I've had great experiences with Linux Mint before but could never fully pull the switch (I don't feel like doing that much work to get my games working, I work on computers enough during my work hours, game time is for relaxing.) Linux gaming appears to finally be in a place where it'll be worth the swap.
I have tried every single solution I could find on the net to fix the 100% disk usage problems, do you have any unconventional ways to fix it?
I've been using Win 11 since the public developer release was a thing. I have it on a newish Intel gaming PC (3090/I9-10850) that I also use for some work tasks. It's been mostly painless apart from early UI bugs (that made fonts invisible in certain settings panels) and the more recent constant updates that take 5-15 min to install with a couple reboots.
My biggest gripes at this point are that some of the system/settings menus are missing functionality. For example: "never combine icons on the taskbar" is not an option at the moment and I used to have my taskbar vertical on my screen, not at the bottom. Connecting to my work's vpn requires a couple more clicks than it used to. I haven't had any issues with games or programming or office apps. But nothing is noticeably "better" (except for the Ubuntu subsystem - the shell is missing some of the bugs it had in Win10). But unless you really like rounded edges on browser windows I wouldn't recommend this to people like me, especially if it costs more $.
Microsoft have been using their users as beta testers for a while now. By this point it should be common knowledge that you should wait with new versions of Windows.
Yes. It should've been 'common knowledge' since Windows 95!
@@adamc.2987- I agree, but it was a very different world back then. For those who were familiar with PCs and Microsoft - yes, we held off on adopting Windows 95. Personally, I stuck with DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 until Windows 98 SE for my main PC. I did give Windows 95c a run on my secondary PC because I had to know it to support our customers.
There was a huge rush to adopt Windows 95, and with good reason. Apple Macintosh users were beating PC users over the head with the fact that the GUI for System 7.5 "Mozart" was far superior to anything Microsoft or IBM had to offer. Prior to Windows 95, folks were struggling with the clunkiness of Windows 3.1 and whatever flavor of DOS command lines, configuration system files, and memory management. EVERYTHING had to run in under 640K of memory, no matter how much RAM you had in your PC. Windows 95 changed that and more.
People were rushing to put Windows 95 on whatever PC they had, even if it could barely run it. Microsoft was also shady with the system requirements. They said it would run on a 386 DX 16 MHz, 4 MB RAM, and 30 MB Hard Drive Space. It would barely craw on those requirements, and people still didn't blame Microsoft and either upgraded or bought and new PC. It seemed that Microsoft thought they could do the same thing again with Windows Vista.
I don't think it wasn't until Windows Millennium Edition did it become common knowledge to the general public, that early adoption of Microsoft Operating Systems was a perilous undertaking. I decided to skip that one, because Windows 98 SE was working fine, and Windows 2000 was right around the corner. Windows ME looked to be just a cash grab to me, with nothing real substantial to offer. Windows 11 has that same feel.
I might wait until the end of the free upgrade period or when software starts requiring windows 11. whichever comes first
almost every 2nd version is crap anyway, I jumped from XP to 7 and from 7 to 10 :D
Not just Windows. This applies to every single os ever made.
I see Jay has already put winter tyres on his PC. It's good to be prepared.
😂😂😂
Here come the Americans who think you spelt “tyre” wrong 🤣
@@carlaaronson9415 i dont think, i know
But its the internet so who cares hou stuffff is spalt
@@carlaaronson9415 And the Australians will ask "What's a winter tyre?".
I finally got around to building a new computer. My old computer has an AMD 8350FX and a EVGA 1080 ti with Windows 7. The new build has an AMD RYZEN 9 5950x and a EVGA 3090 FTW Ultra. The motherboard is an ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero. My question is should I install Windows 10 or 11? For what it's worth I do have access to Windows Insiders Program and downloaded both OS iso's. So I would be going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 or 11. I guess I could install both on separate 2tb NVME or USB drives. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
With Win 11 now there since almost 3 months, what is the recommendation on upgrading. I have a Ryzen 3600X with a 3060ti and 32 GB RAM on ASRock B550 MB. Do you think its a good idea to upgrade now?
AMD: Making first class drivers for Linux
Microsoft: I am going to end this man's whole career
AMD: Holding a reverse UNO card and waiting to play it
Haha can't wait for Intel Arc the Intel Linux Drivers are best in class as far as GPU. They even have OpenCL drivers that work out of the box and no proprietary kernel blobs either unlike AMD GPUs.
@@BlackBookOfficial There is no reason Intel can't support Vulkan too though? It is an open standard
@@BlackBookOfficial won't Intel try the same thing?
@@magnusanderson6681 Yeah, it is, but the ones that fully understand the inner workings of the Vulkan API is AMD themselves, so the best optimizations is gonna come from AMD.
@@BlackBookOfficial Khronos made Vulkan
By requiring TPM for windows 11, Microsoft has inadvertently created a "do not update, and do not ask me later at all" option for everyone.
Didn't think about that lol
I wish it were that simple, really
@@Tampa-Anon very possible, given their past actions
@@tonnylins You can try disabling TPM in your UEFI unless you need it. Microsoft will think your computer is incompatible and Windows 10 still has a good few years left.
I don't think they'll auto-install on ""incompatible"" systems considering how insistent they were that you have TPM and it enabled from the get go. Same goes for secure boot.
I almost want to downgrade my TPM, lol.
Not sure if you'll read this one. Curious as to if you know if they fixed this and if 11 can be used on 18000x, or if that's just out of the question until an upgrade?
Thanks! I am running a Ryzen system and was wondering if it was worth upgrading. You saved me a headache. Thanks again.
Sounds like the old Wintel days of the mid-90's all over again.
Yuuup. People that think it's far fetched that Intel might have had a purposeful hand in the win11 scheduler mishap don't know the history of either Intel or Microsoft.
@FlyingMonkies325 I don't think anyone is talking about early adoption woes because that's well understood even by enthusiast tech users. I was referencing the one sided hardware/software cronyism that has been evident in the industry for 30 years at this point. Perfect point: How many times has it gone the other way? Rarely at best. It's almost always exclusively Intel competitors that suffer the M$ whoopsies.
Of course the best argument against collusion is Intel's dominate market share driving the biggest base first development cycle but that doesn't rule out underhanded back room shenanigans.
@FlyingMonkies325 ya......back in the early to mid 2000's intel LITERALLY paid companies to not use amd. amd lost BILLIONS in revenue due to intels shitty business practices. intel was sued twice for that. the first one they lost and paid amd LITERALLY 1 billion dollars. they lost the second time and owe amd over a billion dollars to this very day and to this very day, refuse to pay it.
@FlyingMonkies325 It's not about worrying too much. IF we all sat back and were like "Well they will fix it" so no need to do anything, they wouldn't fix it. People like Jay and others speaking out about what's going on you know that "worrying" you talk about. Is the reason it will get fixed.
People SHOULD be worried to keep Microsoft from sitting on their asses and not fixing it.
@FlyingMonkies325 uhuh, is that why intel has a LONG history of doing shitty stuff?
We need a gaming operating system that does everything windows does without any of the bloat/spy crap.
So true, but I fear this will never happen again. (By again, I guess I refer to Win7)
Well there's Pop OS. I've heard a lot of people praise it.
@@Dj0rel heard it too, after today in work my windows gone bonkers cuz upadte happened, I am gonna install and tell how it is compared to windows
@@Dj0rel I've used Pop OS, its actually pretty decent and requires very little work from the user as most things are already setup to work.
@@TankersonWoT pop os is good, although I've never used it I think that it is good as it has very good reviews
I updated to windows 11 on my laptop and the first issue I noticed was my difficulty in setting default apps why did Microsoft mess with this and how can I fix this issue?
What about new computers that come with windows 11? I just bought this week a new computer with AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. Is it slower than a similar intel chip?
In 10 years you'll need 20 cores just to handle the bloatware on windows
Been saying something similar for decades now...MS OS is so fucked up and backed up AND held up by 'legacy code' its ridiculous...
and you need a 1000 MBit internet to handle the load when windows send all this data to mommy microsoft
5 cores, each dedicated to one of FAANG spying on you. 5 cores for the major govt agencies from US. 6 cores for agencies and companies from China, and then you can enjoy your good old quad core for the games.
amen
going to drop windows in the future
10 Years is to long, betting on 5 years
I've learned a while ago that you never get the new windows just because you can. You get it because after all this time it became so prominent that you are getting left behind and possibly missing out on brand new features that have nothing to do with windows but is none the less exclusive to the new windows.
No more like if you want the “latest” feature set like DirectX and now with TPM for secure gaming that you need to upgrade.
I’m done with windows, just sticking with Linux and OSX.
@@travisv6408 Run Linux, setup a VM, add software TPM, upgrade to windows 11 - hurray!
Fo'Real. Remember when Microsoft was telling gamers that DX-12 would not work on Windows 7 and that people would need to upgrade to windows 10???? Well they ported DX-12 over to windows 7 in 2005. albeit some games might not work with it.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki You mean 8? Win10 didn't exist for another decade.
@@michaeldougherty6036 nah. Windows 7. Windows 8 didn't exist. We don't talk about that here
Does JayzTwoCents have any videos on turning off Windows telemetry data?
Do you have an update on this? I have the new i9-12900k and got the sake of gaming I’m thinking about taking windows 11 out just to be able up game with out crashes. Also are their current windows 11 updates I should uninstall because it is causing issues.
Looks to be AMD only. Tested on an 8th gen intel, and didn't see any slowdown from a CPU perspective.
*Start the conspiracy theories of backroom deals between Intel and Microsoft*
There is always Linux...
not need to conspiracy. Its a fact. Intel has been well to known to sabotage AMD performance the best way they could. Always when AMD gains traction and murders intel's products.
Intel is one of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel, only behind companies like Google and IBM / Redhat. I've had plenty of AMD specific issues on Arch Linux aswell, but AMD support on Linux is increasing day by day even if there are bugs currently. Intel even has their own Linux distribution that they recommend for highest workstation performance, in fact, AMD themselves recommended customers of Threadripper CPUs to use Intel's 'Clear Linux' distribution for maximum performance.
I created a Registry Key on day one of release to bypass everything so you can install Windows 11. I never made my Registry Key public but somebody else had exactly the same idea as me down the letter identical in fact. I guess great minds do think alike after all it is true. My Registry works it doesn’t asked for any hardware checks.
I’m an IT Engineer and Software Engineer and within the first few hours of release I bypassed the hardware check after a lot of failures and rewriting the Registry keys I eventually cracked it.
@@arjdroid Doesn't matter who's contributing to linux as long as Linus is reviewing every patch. We'll be fine for 10-20 years more. After that it's a bust.
if linux nvidia would work better on linux i would go as soon as decent game and software support is there
This is probably a slippery slope, but could we have a video on disabling or rolling back TPM to 1.2 to block win 11 installing
Linux my friend...though that may not be an option for everyone
@@bigroddempsey4082 how can I get radeon and ryzen master. IF you tell me how to do this on ubuntu I will switch my dozen rigs right now
Bios, turn off the tpm feature, done. Windows will flag system as noncompliant and prevent update.
@@tcclaviger but how do I get radeon and ryzen master on ubutunu
@@bigroddempsey4082 can i get Adobe suit fully working on Linux without any issue?
I had a windows update to my bioschip, and all of a sudden I was getting upgrade messages... did they flip the switch with an update?
Jan 2022. Does it work now? I am on AMD 5900X. Is Win 11 worth switching to for design and gaming?
You know Jay has been dealing with tech for a while when he calls OS updates "Service packs"
I miss the old Service Pack days where you only effed up your computer every 6 to 12 months instead of EVERY MONTH like they do now ..... I don't install updates until just a week before the next update .... For instance I won't install the October Update until the first week in November (And maybe not even then if I search and see it's still having problems)
You know someone is young when they think service packs are an ancient thing.
@@jellybiscuit Hell, they used to come on separate CDs for Win 2000 and XP
@@jellybiscuit they ARE ancient
@@crispybacon4240 lmao ok zoomer
So the alternating "it sucks, it's great" Windows pattern is still holding true... 🙄
It's simple. It's trash. The cycle is:
Being honest = Win 11 is 👎
Buying the hype = Win 11 is 👍
🤢🤢🤢
I just upgraded to Windows 11. Here are before and after 3DMark scores
Ryzen 7 5800x
x570 Aorus Elite wifi
3DMark TimeSpy score = 9811 (before)
3DMark TimeSpy score = 9804 (after Windows 11 install)
3DMark TimeSpy Extreme score = 4701 (before)
3DMark TimeSpy Extreme score = 4688 (after Windows 11 install)
My verdict (which is essentially not relevant) is Windows 11 should only go to higher end PC's. It does look nicer and it is much more like Mac OS but in a good way. I don't notice any change in performance
7 was the last good windows
Its more like
1. it sucks
2. ok, at least its not 1.
3. it sucks
3. ok, at least its not 3
...
The alternating pattern meme only works if you're clueless on what Windows versions that have existed and how they have been. All lists that are made of that tend to skip versions to make it fit.
My HP laptop with a core i5 was running great and I was actually editing 4k videos on it . After the upgrade it locked up on me, and I couldn't use it at all. So I went back to Windows 10. I used the backup that I had created a while ago (about a week before all the issues) and after it booted up, I lost my start menu. I tried all the fixes on the internet and nothing is working. I do not recommend upgrading to Windows 11 until they have all the bugs worked out of it. I can now no longer edit videos until I figure out a fix or purchase a new laptop.
Is there a way to go back to widnows 10 if you missed the 10 days or are you going to have to buy windows 10 again?
"Windows 10 will be the last Windows ever!"
"Oh wait, we found new ways to violate your privacy for profit! Here's Windows 11! *TAKE IT* "
Microsoft never actually said that. It was like, just one programmer that was quoted.
@@DerelictDoug10266 Interesting. So all the media outlets just mindlessly repeated that incorrect info? Wouldn't be the first time. Do you happen to have any source for this?
In 2015, as Microsoft was preparing to release its Windows 10 operating system, a developer evangelist speaking at a technical session during a company event dropped an eyebrow-raising statement. "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows," he said. Also as I posted on this thread I have to disclose that im an employee of MSFT.
You're very perspicacious. You're welcome!
@@leewright415 Thank you for clarifying this. Still - he was representing the company right?
Installed it a week ago I have a 5600x and went back after 2 days. Most of my games had massive amounts of stuttering and FPS loss in general. I’d normally get 120-143 on The Division 2 but that dipped to the low 50’s and upon opening the menu I’d drop to 3fps. It was terrible and that’s just one game, I did get a performance boost however on everything after reinstalling Windows 10 😂🤷🏽.
im running all AMD for my gaming and render rigs. and one of them is also the 5600x. so yeah ill be sitting on 10 until i see a performance BOOST instead of degradation.
Does TPN enabled on windows 10 slow it down?
@@tapmax1 nop, is just a security measure of encryption of the kernel of Windows. I tend to say that the reason was VBS that was enabled (not Visual Basic Studio, Virtualization-based Security).
I have a Ryzen 7 3800x with an RTX 3060 and I have not noticed a difference. I was expecting some sort of boost because of Microsofts marketing. Maybe the Win11 boost is cancelling out this issue for me.
I am running an all AMD system with a 5800x and an RX 5700 XT. I have literally seen none of these issues since I upgraded. If anything, I have seen my idle ram usage drop about a gig.
why is the taskbar button always combined now? why are they taking features away anyway?
It’s been about 4-5 months since anyones made a relevant video about Windows 11, and gaming performance. Have the updates since 11’s launch made it worth swapping from 10-11 yet?
The good news is that after years of suffering bugs in Windows 10, my upgraded laptops which came with Windows 7 & 8 finally work in a stable fashion! The only sore point still is with the drivers for the integrated Intel & AMD Graphics and even the older stand alone Graphics Cards! AMD CPUs are value for money and Windows 11 seems totally unnecessary!
Agreed that thought process can be applied across the board too.
Being an early adopter may sound cool for some but actually often sucks.
AMD: * clearly makes an extremely competitive lineup of CPUs *
Big Software Companies: *I have decided I want to optimize things for Intel*
Intel and Microsoft have always engaged in anti-competitive practices. This is nothing new.
The US government should have broken up Microsoft and forced them to open source all their APIs decades ago, and they almost did... But of course Bush was elected into office and decided to predictably be even more right wing than the Clintons were.
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional Most of our problems can be directly traced back to the Bushes and Regan
Maybe if they let us self compile the operating system like Gentoo…
@@fuzzybuzzy3159
I wouldn't say most, just many. Mostly because the trail goes way further back.
Look up Henry Kissenger and Edward Bernays, and if you really want to be angry, watch some Adam Curtis documentaries.
It's more like anticompetitive practice that MS and Intel have done against AMD.
There could be lawsuit involved if this does not get fixed.
Yes actually, I have a laptop with a Ryzen cpu in it. I noticed that before the patch, which I had been putting off due to hearing about the performance hit, Ran red Dead Redemption 2 at medium level graphics consistency at around 30 fps. After it installed the patch ,automatically while I slept, I noticed that Red Dead ran at 60 fps for about 2 seconds then dropped to 1 or 2 fps for about 10 seconds. This has been happening to a lot of games that need a decent amount of processing power!
Can confirm the Windows update manager constantly shows with a blue dot. When you open, you says you can upgrades for free, but looks like it is a manual process for now.
IMO it seems MS is on track to keeping the "skip every other windows" pattern going. I had 3.1, skipped 95, got 98(SE), skipped 200/Me, got XP, skipped Vista, got 7, skipped 8/8.1, got 10...
You skipped 2000 and had the nerve to lump it with ME? Blasphemy! ME was essentially a shittier 98, but 2000 was great.
XP was popular and enjoys a certain nostalgia factor, but it had vulnerabilities out the yin-yang. Vista was shit until near EoL, where it matured and was every bit as good as 7.
@@FuzedBox I'm just reporting what I did in my PC building history - and all the OS-es that I had worked pretty well for me. And that many of my friends who had 95, Me, Vista, and 8/8.1 had frequent issues.
IIRC, Me and 2000 came out at virtually the same time - and that one was the "Personal/Home" OS, and the other was the "Business" OS. 2000 was better probably because it had to be because of it being the business OS.
It was already fixed.
@@FuzedBox W2000 was the first build i called stable
That ifixit ad gets me everytime lmao. 'the new minnow' thing kills me for some reason
Same. And how expressionless Nick looks throughout the whole thing up until the end haha
That's the best sponsor segment of all UT for sure :)
That kind of advertising would actually work on me.
I have an Acer Aspire 3 Iaptop and updated it Iast night but then got a message recommending I upgrade to Windows 11. The screen is stuck in this position now. I can't opt for yes or no, I can't escape and when I turn the computer off and on the same screen is stuck in this position. Do you know how I can return to my normaI content? Thank you.
THERE IS NO WAY TO DO IT CAUSE WE HATE OUR CUSTOMERS
So does disabling TPM in the BIOS/UEFI prevent the auto update from happening?
I never "update" my OS until at least one year has past it's initial launch.
Microsoft loves free beta testers and i'm not going to be one of them.
Facts, same here. Don’t care if they’ll pay me to install it now. Won’t do it
@@Rambo42088 I mean if you where payed 10grand I think you would
im a beta tester :(
yep, its dangerous to be an an early adapter
Same with macOS. I updated nearly day one for 7 9 and 10. But 11 will definitely wait a few months again.
I would be sooooo happy if I got a notification that said: "Your computer is compatible. Would you like to downgrade to Windows 7?".
Windows 10 upgrade was a nightmare for me.
would you like to downgrade to newly security patched win7? --say no more
If only... I'd take Windows 7 over Windows 10 anyday.
@@pinoynobody2329 I installed Shell on win10 so now it works like win7. When I saw those flipping squares where a menu should be I started looking for a solution.
@@MrWadsox Nice!
Win2k was probably the best Windows....
Low ressources usage, very reliable...
No useless fancy graphics things...
I need to see what kind of frame rates I get when playing cyberpunk right now. I have been playing a lot of SnowRunner and I was thinking that I wasn't getting the fps that I should be with an 5950x and a RTX 3080. My frame rate constantly dips to 47 fps playing at 4k.
Using win11 at work for a while now. No issues in productivity, but I am hesitant to switch my gaming PC running 5600x 6800xt. Should I keep waiting, hmm.
I was literally about to post before he mentioned it, I disabled TPM 2.0 as sson as I saw it was required. Turns out that may be the best way to keep malicious software off my PC.
What?
@@Crecross it's a spam bot
Did you not watch the video? He said he won’t go into how to enable it at the bios level so it won’t auto install potentially. After he said it auto installed on machines after a enough time passed and MS didn’t like adoption rates.
Feels like Windows 10 again, where we got a "free" upgrade but it actually turned us into beta testers for a year.
Mhm. I stayed on 8.1 long after the free upgrade to 10 had expired, and once I felt I'd read and heard enough about 10 to feel comfortable upgrading to it, I upgraded for free.
year and a half if you opted in for the pre-beta beta
I actually did the "upgrade" for W10 on my old PC from 8.1 and the install failed and it rolled it back to 8.1. I said fuck it I aint doing any more "upgrades" lol
Tbh i went straight to win 11 insider as soon as it got released and haven't had an issue yet that i didnt have on 8 or 10.
I stayed on Win 7 until Win 10, being AMD I think I'll stick on 10 till Win 12 comes along.
I don't really understand why the front-end and back-end aren't separated.
I had four i7 machines on Win 10, three are not "ready" for Win 11 because the CPUs are not supported. The one that was (a Spectre with no battery now - due to HPs OEM counterfeit scheme) has been on Win 11 for 4 days and seems OK. I use it for video editing, but not games, and I have no issues making me want to revert to 10. I'd also like to take this opportunity to complain that MS slowed my Sony Vaio left mouse key making it unusable with what appeared to be a security patch about 4 months ago. How long will it be for the MS OS to be stable? Another 20 years?
Thanks for the great channel JZ.
I bet it wont be fixed before Alder Lake launches. Since benchmarking Alder Lake will have to take place on Windows 11, it will obviously make them look _way_ better in the benchmarks.
Exactly. I'm betting that the "patch" next week won't do much. A proper patch wont come out until after Christmas.
If memory serves me correctly ReactOS was looking really good at one time. That is until Microshaft decided to constantly audit their code to the point they could no longer afford to develop it. The top dogs in the industry didn't get there by being benevolent, and sharing. They're all crooks by one degree, or another.
I really hate that you might be right ¬¬
Pretty sure people will still benchmark Windows 10 performance since not all upgraded to Windows 11, not to mention this stupid collusion between Intel and Microsoft.
The mainstream media can sell it however they want, but independent techtubers trusted by enthusiasts here will still call out their bullshit.
@@demontekdigital1704 Is that a defense or an observation? If Intel and Microsoft were actually directly working together to make Intel look better/faster, and delaying a fix until after launch purposely that is definitely not only illegal but hard to defend. Yeah all the big tech companies do bad things, and often even get away with it; but we should never become entirely complacent with it.
How much do you want to bet the slides for Intel's new CPU are going to be bar graphs of Windows 11 performance vs the neutered Ryzen performance?
I bet 150 dollars.
*If I had that much*
Lol, so true.
It wouldn't surprise me, we've seen it before that companies will use "valid/good/legit" data for graphs only for us to realize that the data had a truckload of caveats. I can't upgrade with my current system anyway and this only makes me willingly keep my current system until it just bites the dust, and even then I wouldn't use or install windows 11. If I had to rebuild, PopOS would be my first option on hand and maybe something else if that didn't work how I wanted it to.
The next computer I buy is going to have Linux Mint as the primary OS ... assuming prices ever come down to affordable. I will have an older version of windows just incase something doesn't work on Linux. I'm so sick of all the bloatware Windows adds to their OS.
@@xindeal982 I personaly have 4 PC's running Linux and two that still have Windows 10, and one of the two Win 10 is in dual boot with Linux. With all the bad comming out about the ties with Intel and Microsoft. I see a lot more people/users switching to the Linux side. And because of the current inflation rate and market and the lack of supplies, Outside big corps, not everyone has the budgets to buy or build a new system. Like in my case I would have to upgrade 6 PC's just to run Windows 11. I'M not the federal reserve, I don't print money.
Great video, very informative, Thanks for sharing and stay safe guys!
i7 9700K
32GB Ram
I only use it for light gaming and twitch/youtube/facebook etc.. didn't really see any slowdowns.. not even in League of Legends, even though my gpu died just after installing win11 so I lost the gpu power for win 11 compared to win 10..
Would I recommend it? Not really, there's nothing special about it, besides the animation, I just wanted to try it because it looks nice and got bored with the same theme of win 10.
This isn’t even tinfoil hat, this is legitimate. 3 updates in a row, all of them making specifically AMD systems worse. Given the extensive collaboration between Intel and Microsoft over the past 3 decades, I highly doubt this was an accident. Combined with the edge of Microsoft and Intel’s anticompetitive history and shady business practices, I am pretty certain this was intended.
Business would never ever collaborate to profit and destroy the competition!
Glances over at Volkswagen and Bosch.
@@TheMADmk and because you say it is true. Ok🙄
@@TheMADmk HMMMMM look at the government and big busisness!! will be no good for the people
There is no law preventing them from working closely with another developer. While it sucks, please keep in mind that you are not entitled to Windows specifically working with the company of your preference. I dont like it either, but this is where Linux gods will likely come into play soon. Rather than throwing the tin foil hat and saying they're coming after your rig (somewhat fair but still looney) sit tight and find every way possible to prevent a windows 11 update until you find anything that supports your rig better. If windows 10 works for you or you're already chillin with Linux then you're fine... just take the tension down a few notches and back your system up.
Tinfoil.
I'm really hoping Linux gaming improves. That's one of the reasons I've preordered the Steam Deck. I would completely get rid of Windows in my personal life but I mainly game and that's where it is easiest and the best performance. Hoping over the next couple of years that changes.
I'll put it simple.
Xbox controller drivers work
And steam proton covers the big major anti cheats.
Honestly now is very good
I've been only using linux for ages and most of the games I care about work on linux, some worked then stopped working which is annoying but generally most games work all the time without issue and no spying is nice as well :P
give linux gaming a try now. Steam Deck runs linux itself and games work quite well on it, its mostly other launchers that you MIGHT run into issues but even then many work just fine with compatibility fixes like WINE.
@@heydoeradio7298 What about EA Desktop Epic Games Launcher and some other Launchers
@@RedBeardedJoe anything outside of Steam is more complicated to get going than I would expect the average user to put up with. It's typically doable, but nowhere near the point where I'd reccomend it.
Thank goodness for the “Go back” option! Gameplay was impossible with Windows 11.
Ok but if we're planning on using a AMD Ryzen 5000 series we shouldn't care since you briefly mentioned it's only effecting the 2000 series?
5:31 I saw slowdown on 11th gen laptop CPU, but it was primarily due to Core Isolation, which seems to be enabled by default in a fresh install now. With it off the differences were generally basically nothing on average.
Jarrod!
Yes.
I'm using a 3950x and I haven't seen a massive slow down on Windows 11 Pro. Since I installed it compared to my experience on Windows 10.
Im not slowing down but my friends laptop kinda stuttery/freeze in a sec, hes using an nvme ssd on i5 8300h laptop, and it really bugs me even after clean install (yes, including diskpart clean all the ssd). Back on W10 its very fluent.
@@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster I'm using that very same chip and I have the same experience, runs great! Very snappy.
I think a "how to disable the TPM if you have one" video would be useful.
So people could make sure windows wont try to update itself.
The opposite way of enabling TPM. TPM is disabled by default especially on custom built PCs.
@@TheSjuris that'll change if Microsoft has any say in it though. I got the impression they're advocating the default be on for OEM. The manufacturers on the other hand are all saying "hell fucking no"
i remember looking at a bios update for my ryzen board, support windows 11 by default. i didn't update, and if i did i would look for the setting to disable tpm before i let the computer boot into windows.
@@mrcyberpunk newsflash every PC being built now by OEMs will have Windows 11 which will prevent TPM from being disabled. It’s going to be even harder to get people who are pc illiterate to switch to 11.
@@user--PM BIOS can’t be automatically updated. Going to be harder for Microsoft to convince people to upgrade. Shouldn’t really update BIOS unless there’s a reason to do it.
From a friend who worked at Microsoft for a long time, "Any product that is free means that YOU are the product."
Glad I saw this. Finally caved in and updated to 21H2 then the October 21H2 update since they seem stable with minor benefits. And actually tried to upgrade to 11. Glad I couldn't I know better
I used to say some 15 years ago that you never get a new Windows before a Service Pack. I don't get why people still upgrade on day one if you don't wanna be the one making experiments and finding the bugs.
Microsoft has lost its grip on logic, but you know what hasn't lost grip? Those tires behind Jay. I can't tell if they're P Zero Trofeos or Pilot Sport Cup 2s.
Definitely Pirelli's. PSC2s are pretty much slick on the outermost tread block
That is some quality transition right there. Linus would be proud.
Those tyres would not pass a UK MOT ..
@@therealsilvershadows1909 well here in america it pass because freedom
they have become so money-oriented that even bill gates was disgusted and left.
mining peoples data is an offence when Facebook does it but when it's Microsoft it's ok?
Out of curiosity how have the benchmarks been for ARM chips?
Apparently there was a windows 10 option for arm chips and I didn’t need to go directly to 11 with my VM…
Also, when I did my initial installation of windows 11 on parallels… I actually had to do a manual installation of the windows app store to get it fully setup. Apparently a patch fixed this problem since, but that was a time
Just had an update and it said i don't have tpm; my computer is less than a year old 5900x / 3080
what do you want to bet that a "fix" will be implemented after alder lake gets top scores in benchmarks on release....?
as far as I can tell, quite the literal opposite is happening...
Talking as if amd can compete anyways
@@teralio9940 🤡🤡🤡
@@teralio9940 I hope you're writing this on a 10series i7 that got raped by an AMD costing half as much :D Enjoy 10nm :D
Ah yes, the classic JaysTwoCents iFixit sponsor spot. Never gets old 😉
It's the only ad I never skip 🤣
Lol
Deserves an Oscar..even to see the three of them giving their awards speech😁.
Nah that shits annoying
Best commercial spot on the web or tv
I upgraded to Windows 11 more than 10 days ago, with a 5900 X, 7900 XTX, I haven’t noticed any performance problems it, but I haven’t had chance to play games. Had it for about three weeks now but, are the two computers I’m doing from the kids to 5700x, with 6700 XT and 6800xt, they still be working okay I have noticed any problems ,any chance to play games yet?. see how we go next week is week or so
Very interesting. “Let’s cut down the competition!” What shame. I have a work colleague who unpacked the Window 11 installer to disable the prechecks so he could install it on older systems.
loool - warez never get old :D
There's literally nothing that windows 11 offers that I'm interested in and after hearing this there's no way I'm upgrading
It do look better doe
@@ZenTunE- well that depends on your taste.
Get a Mac then for looks
It was pretty much copy paste on the ui
@@brenden1860 Which is good. Why change it if it's already good? They just enhanced the details.
As time goes by with every new Windows OS's, I miss Windows 7 more and more.
I actually went back to w7😬
@@danielmann316 XP and 7 are the best.
I don't understand it. Win7 is missing so many critical features, why would you want to go back?
Windows 3.1 is the good one.
@@FalconX88 Which critical features are you referring to?
I have a new build I loaded with 10 , I ran all the typical tests you would with a new machine , processor , memory gpu etc , I then updated it to 11 , I have a intel 11 gen I9 all tests were basically exact , but I did notice my Samsung nvme 980 pro write speeds lost 30 percent on random and 20 on sequential , if there are any other specific test you'd want me to run before I restore my W10 disk clone let me know .... thanks for the great videos !!
After the last update my system (r5 5600x and 3080) it reset a lot of my game settings and haven’t been able to play cod without having to rig it in settings to get it to not crash. Controller support seems to be hit or miss on the day if it will find it or not, wirelessly. Games are chugging but could he due to bad airflow. New case will be in on Sunday so hopefully that works!
Upgrading to a new OS as soon as it comes out is a rookie mistake. AMD and Microsoft already said they've fixed this problem Jay and the patch is coming Tuesday 19th.
That's why I switched to linux
@@Nunya58294 When it just came out? 😜
Works fantastic for my system
I have both on 2 SSD's. Battlefield 1 is glitching out on 11. Got to use 10 to play.
win 11 you dont have right clic on start button or taskbar and rightclic on desktop has more steps to do till action needed and shutdown button is moved il stay on win 10
The good old early adopter shuffle again. it seems very anti competitive to prioritize the optimization of one CPU manufacturer over another. Now the real beta testing begins. Happened with XP, Vista and 7. I remember it took a good couple of years for nearly every program/app from Windows 7 to assimilate to the Win 8/10 releases.
Same here, I'm not surprised by this stuff anymore lol
I'm in UK I have tpm turned on and have been looking for windows 11. It says my pc is windows 11 ready but I still getting windows 10 updates.
Switched to windows 11. It seems a little buggy, but nothing that prevents me from gaming. I have a Ryzen 5600 and a FE Nvidia 3080. Mostly just run into Interface flickering and occasionally the icons on the task bar will disappear. One thing I do like is playing a game in full screen allows me to tab out of it as if I was playing on windowed mode, without the drawbacks. I’d recommend giving it a try if possible just to see if it’s for you.
It almost feels like the intel compiler "conspiracy" sneaky sneak that crippled AMD chips...
or MS is just this incompetent.
Have you hear what happened to AMD with the first Xbox?
[Arthur Morgan's voice] Calm downnnn it'll be fixed soon.
You need to stay off r/AMD. That subreddit will rot your brain.
I mean I just want to point out that historically speaking, AMD has never had a close working relationship with Microsoft. I've heard friends who have worked for them say that when both Intel and AMD were invited out to MS offices to help work out kinks, Intel would constantly send engineers out, but AMD more often than not sent nobody.
I mean let's be honest here, AMD has a reputation of dragging their feet with compatibility support and updates. It's sad to see conspiracy theories of Microsoft and Intel working together to some how hurt AMD, especially given AMD's known past.
"Son of a BISCUIT. "
Hands down to the edit.
Anyone else upgrade 11 and the widget tray and certain apps have a weird "un focus" feature until mouse over it? I can't figure out how to fix that and drives me crazy
Well, I can confirm that the AMD fix is out and works. Am on a 1950X Threadripper (technically not Windows 11 compatible). I AIDA tested the L3 cache before the update and yes, it had been messed up by the Win11 update, but I installed the latest Ryzen Chipset Driver and the latest Windows 11 Update, ran the benchmark again, and the issue was fixed.
I’m still stuttering. Doom Eternal is just all
over the place in FPS. I think it’s to do with the shit fTPM.
I have this message in windows update: Good news - your PC meets the minimum system requirements for Windows 11. The specific time setting for when it will be offered may vary as we prepare it for you.
To translate: We ll just sneakily update it for you when you least expect it 😂😂
same
This is technically supposed to be what nearly everyone is seeing right now. While Windows 11 is technically out now, it is supposed to really only be for new machines that are optimized for it. The "upgrade rollout" isn't slated to start in earnest until 2022, presumably after all of the growing pains like the one in this video are ironed out. I feel like this wasn't properly addressed in the video. To my knowledge, people can only upgrade to Windows 11 now by going out of their way to the website and manually downloading the OS. Though I am sure and expect there to be at least a few edge cases where people have the prompt to upgrade now in their Windows 10 update menu.
These problems shouldn't exist, still. I do not want to come off as trying to justify them. But this seems more less like a story on something Windows 11 is doing wrong, and more of an explicit example of why Windows 11 isn't available for everyone yet and what _shouldn't_ be a problem by the time the upgrade offer does rollout to the masses.
Yeah I have the same message, even though I ran the upgrade thing it still won't upgrade.
mine says windows 11 not compatible with 2 gigs of ram and i must be poor