Seekers of the Storm DLC Survivor Tier List - Risk of Rain 2
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Seekers of the Storm DLC Survivor Tier List - Risk of Rain 2
After playing the new risk of rain 2 DLC for 10k hours (real), I have compiled my initial thoughts on the DLC survivors. This tier list is only for Chef, Seeker, and the False Son, so it won't be covering any of the vanilla or previous survivors in Risk of Rain 2.
Do you think I'm correct? Or on some type of weird substance? Let me know! (Because i might be !)
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Wait -- You're telling me a Chef fried this rice?
Uh, i sure hope it does
Yuck, not eating THAT!
"Its essentially monster teeth" Meanwhile, chef in RORR can cook up temporary buff items that heal you and give you some kind of bonus effect, of which were stackable.
RORR (the first had no alternate skills.)
no he couldnt
that would have been sick if they added that (and would work with the red that gives you extra stats for having 5+ buffs!)
@@k90v85he could? What do you mean he couldn't... its literally one of his abilities
@@jojojojojojojojojojojojo4181 he had dice, sear, glaz and second helping
Commando always getting dunked on even though he's fun to play. COMMANDO DEFENDERS RISE
honeypot comment
ants mention
nobody rising
There are dozens of us, dozens!
@@yosh1625 i shall perish on this hill alone if i must to defend commando
So fun fact, with the release of SotS update gearbox decided to add something to the code that only affects chef and artificer primary attack, which is, the more attack speed the less cooldown on the ability.
Oh my god Artificer m1 buffs? I thought this day would never come
also works for bandit unless the scaling on the reload was just that bad.
this was always something with bandit though. i dont play artificer so i dont know if it was there before
@@bboyxk yeah, has been there for bandit for as long as i can remember. pretty sure prior arti would need cooldown reduction to improve it
@@bboyxk It's definitely new to Artificer, and it's glorious.
6:49 Alongside these, Spinel Tonic boosts his hp by 50% while it's active. Multiplicatively, affecting the potency of all your other HP items too. Highly recommend
my addiction to tonic is chronic
@@rndThursday Chronic like the expansion I get when I see your female maternal person
My one issue with this is that yeah Seeker and The False Son are clearly good relative to a lot of the other characters I don't think they're S tier
idk these two kinda nutty. one has pseudo invincibility and the other is big laser man
They are harder to play, but when used right, definitely S tier.
false son feels a lot better than voidfiend right now
Seeker has some of the craziest mobility out of the box short of Loader but unlike Loader she has insane invuln, better barrier gen, OK range and works well with pretty much all of the items that aren't garbage. Haven't tried her on E8 where Sojourn needs more item support to abuse the s but on any lower difficulty she is easily top 2 for me.
I don't get why they didn't make more achievements for the new survivors, no mastery or alt skill achievements.
i know 🥲 hopefully they add more stuff further down the line
bro that's what I've been saying, they release a 2nd unlockable skin for every other character in the game but not for the ones that come with the DLC?? and it's still a little disappointing to me that each character only has one unlockable alternate skill.
Wanna say my biggest complaints about False Son is the piercing laser not piercing and the visuals for his M1 don't match the hitbox. You can see the little wind trail the club leaves behind and see it go through enemies but in reality you just didn't hit them meanwhile with merc, acrid and loader they work just fine. Other than that had the most fun as him than Seeker or Chef.
Yeah
The alt special for chef is actually fun to play with, the boosted dice is the burst damage chef needs and is way better than glaze at close range which when you think about how you use glaze, as a burst damage option that only does 1400% damage, a boosted dice does that damage with hitting 3 cleavers (and recalling them) and then some more with every additional cleaver, its as simple as using the boosted dice than rolling away (or into enemies)
my counter is, you have to be in melee range
@@rndThursday Think of it more like loader's punch, high damage at a fast speed despite needing to melee, spam m1 twice then you roll or sprint away since the cast time is so quick
@@nameless2746try doing it on mythrix
@@rndThursdaymy counter is, chef is fun because he's got really nutty damage, specially if you stay in melee range
@@RYZEN-4070-TI-SUPER-OC exactly chef melts bosses like crazy. I dont know what he was talking about putting him on C. Definetely A tier. not S but A. glade and seer does a lot of damage to tougher enemies and his utility is really good to get out of trouble. if his primary works like returns it would be TOO overpowered...So chef is totally fine the way it is.
Chef was the only survivor that took me over a dozen times to beat eclipse 1. Half of his kit doesnt even hit a majority of the enemies in the game
this is fax
Seeker: I'm biased against her default secondary, but despite that I still completely agree with your placement. Soul Spiral is a ridiculous combo with her utility. It passively giving barrier and periodic damage trivialises so much content in combination with being literally immune to enemies.
Chef: I still do not know at all why they made the cleavers a drop down area control, when the primary for most survivors is usually just directly attacking the enemy. The mod helps smoothen his experience A LOT, and it matches him much better with ROR1's idea. I wish Yes Chef was better, maybe if they made its cooldown reduce when the boosted abilities hit enemies.
False Son: By far my favourite survivor out of the three. Their item synergy with Growth, and their ability rotation with either special make them incredibly smooth to play (and with the default special, they are ultra powerful). I WISH his animations were smoother. Hopefully the animatiors can revise how he acts because right now he looks unfinished.
cleaver is not even a drop down area control, they do not deal damage as they spin at the point they stop at. they just.. stay there until you recall em.
@@KickieB wait wtf????
wow that just makes his already poor primary even worse...
You can actually use CHEFs utility right after using sear, and since you can fire your primary and special while rolling, properly chaining from sear into roll is actually quite satisfying and useful
but that requires you to have roll off cd. and you can't roll + sear in that scenario either
@@rndThursday Something I've yet to see anyone talk about is how Chef's yes chef actually refunds all your cooldowns, so you can use Roll twice (which imo is his best ability)
ALSO ALSO, if you use yes chef and IMMEDIATELY roll, you don't use the horrible spinning roll, you just use your normal roll. Pair that with boosted cleave and its not half bad. Emphasis on "half" bad. It's still bad.
Buff sear, make cleavers better, chef is now way way way better.
I think captain and engi drop by 2 tiers in dlc because of the new stages being absurdly massive and requiring so much vertical mobility, i simply can not enjoy my favourite survivor (captain) because of the insanely large new maps, that and the new items adding bloat into the pool making moblity items rarer, as a captain main this dlc made me cry
i still think engi is viable as long as speed is priortized in stages 1-2, and then again engi has the most potential in the game
Just get the newt altar every stage and pick the stage.
As a fellow captain enjoyer I've honestly been starting to use mobility equipments for this very reason. Before I hardly touched them outside of maybe the first 2 stages
By the way, as a fellow captain main, did you notice that lysate cell gives you more beacons now
@@slayerofevil9753 YEAH! THAT IS SO SICK, but also kind of useless as whenever i get a lycate cell its at a point in the run were i barely use beacons, maybe im just "unlucky" with lysate drops
False son with enough synergy items like plasma shrimp or leeching seed on laser is insane. I did 8 million damage in 4 player co-op the other day bc he's just that insane with good items
mr thursday please dont disappear again u the goat ror2 creater but u leave for extended periods like a space marine primarch
🏃♂️💨
Its always a good day when rnd uploads
Uh oh, are we gonna get raydans vs rnd for the stone flux on false son
Raydans is just wrong on that one, Stone Flux is easily one of the best items in the game for False Son
Having played a ton of false son, raydans is right there. Stoneflux is still a nerf unless you have an ungodly number of speed items.
Mobility is just too important, especially on eclipse 8.
@@druidofnosleep1513 Maybe for eclipse it's different but eclipse should absolutely not be the main basis for which things in the game are judged
@@alb7466 true, reminds me of when i was arguing with a guy that was saying certain bad items were high tier because you can stack a lot of them with artifact of command lol, really doesn't make sense
@@coSocks That's a craaazy thing to be arguing, you can play the game however you want but it's definitely going to be balanced for Rainstorm since that's just the default.
Good tierlist bro, I would say The False Son has potential to be one of the funniest survivor to play in the game, but he needs some quality of life improvements, mainly on his M2.
As of now his M2 is used to stack debuff or deal with wisps, which would be fine however false son relies around his M2 HEAVILY with the rest of his kit, what i would want his M2 to have improved is; a higher rate of fire not only to apply the total debuff faster but to be able to play around his own passive in fast paced situations, another feature i want is the possibility to not cancel sprint by using his M2.
I really believe that this changes are very much needed for the character and would improve the experience by a ton.
When you get more stacks of his m2 the fire rate goes up a shitton, probably doesn’t need another buff. I would like to be able to fire while sprinting, although false son is so darn strong already I don’t mind having that minor movement nerf.
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@@rndThursdayerrmmmmm.... there's axchually only 2 🤓
Fryers are waiting
honestly this has nothing to do with this video but i wanna see you (and the other ror2 youtubers) revisit the initial early access build just to see how far things have come and how crap (or amazing) some things were then.
also commando goated
never forget that the game used to only be looping (no mithrix or portal) and it would break after like stage 8 (no monsters would spawn)
@@rndThursday lmao yeah. its not exactly the best but i find it fun to do a run on every once in a while since i originally bought it day one (but uh, obviously not consistently, its kinda bad for obvious reasons)
side note wow that was a fast reply
Im glad you mentioned the mod for Chef's primary, it's such an enjoyable change and underlines how just a few minor mess ups can affect a character. Tweaking the primary + more range, verticality and no weird delay on Sear would make him phenomenal.
Love the Seeker and False Son praise. The survivors are the highlight of the DLC for me
I like Chef's vanilla primary. It has a nice rhythm to the cleaver throws that punishes spam clicking.
Chef protip: If you use his utility skill before using sear, you'll roll around in the utility skill while still searing enemies, letting you move faster while also applying two cooking attacks at once for the sake of heal drops
Finally someone agrees that False Son is fun and is a good character
The power of Yes, Chef! comes from Roll. There's some interesting tech theŕe. You can activate other moves while rolling, and Yes, Chef! resets your cooldowns. My main source of damage with him is using Roll to get in, Yes, Chef! while zooming, boosted cleaver into immediate Roll back out. You can also cancel out of Sear - and boosted Sear - with Roll. I honestly tthink Chef is underrated because of how dogshit his m1 feels.
Also, you can get Lunar Spikes from Prayer Beads. I think. I had 5 spikes once despite having never even seen a Steak or Infusion (I will be cold in the grave before even thinking of picking up a Sone Flux Pauldron), and the little boost from beads is the only thing that could have done anything.
ps ive been calling this tech the Lamb Sauce Special
Even though I do think chef is a weaker character they’ve become a favorite of mine and I actually really enjoy the primary a lot so I’m good without the mod, except they do need to fix that weird end lag on sear I hope that’s just fixed with a patch, if they do that he could become my main
i dont understand why you have to recall your primary tbh. if it did damage while it hung in the air it would make sense, but it doesn't. the numbers on the primary aren't bad, it just feels bad (to me) when i use it. combine that with the weird sear lag and im immediately tilted playing chef.
c tier for can't even right now
@@rndThursday I’ve been a low tier player all my life, not everyone gets it
The false son is soooooo good because hes like captain, where he scales with specific stats. But unlike captain where he hits a cealing really quick, the false son takes much longer to reach his. Yes, eventually with health you will basically bottom out on spikes and lazer duration/ charge. But, get some back up mags and void cells and you're good.
Artifact of command lysate cell chef = bomber plane and it is so fun with a few alien heads
Commando aint even bad fr bro hes a demon late
Just what I was looking for
I definitely underrated False son and seeker, at first I was comparing them to mucho to Railgunner and Voidfiend
I think ur wrong because Chef is the only character whose s1 and s2 makes it actively feel like the character is trying to kill you.
For this reason alone, I put him in S tier, because I am an rndthursday watcher, and love telling him everything he does is a skill issue and he just needs to be better.
arrest this person for being too based
Chef is the best survivor because I can commit arson without sacrificing mobility. Smh.
what arti wishes she was
I was a commando hater till I picked up esense of heresy
I definitely like the false son but he definitely could use some updated animations. I would love if they’d do something like make his slam use all your spikes to increase the damage and range and have normal melee kills give a spike back but I would be satisfied with just making the animations better. Oh also having a visual effect for when you use all your spikes and gain them back would be super cool. Not sure if it’ll happen but I’m hopeful
I highly recommend the mod StormTweaks. It fixes a lot more about Chef than just his primary, like extending sear's range and letting you be able to interrupt most his abilities. It does handle Chef's primary differently than BetterChefPrimary, but it also makes some great changes to False Son that make him a lot more enjoyable to play.
I havent really seen anyone mention it anywhere so idk if just nobody else noticed but you can use the oil globs and the flamethrower after initiating the roller ability, if you get hardlight or purity you can become a mobile frying unit
Also, to note.
Chef cannot kill a wandering vagrant in a reasonable timeframe if it isn't close to any ground.
He can barely kill flying enemies.
it is one of the massive problems that chef has
I like yes chef just to nuke bosses early with the empowered m1
Commando has been my highest damage character by far at 1.8 billion damage dealt in a 45 minute round.
the constant commando treatment is how i see loader imo
Idk man I like chef. I have the mod because my brother wants to use it but I stick with the primary because I like it. Double long distance piercing throw, put some bleed on that bad boy. Spam it for close range burst damage. Spray your oil, charge the roll for that band proc and roll at the oiled up mobs like a lunatic while using sear. Stun and burn the whole group. Struggle to get up a small ledge. I like him.
Thinking the same about Chef. Dealing with flying enemies becomes such a pain, especially on Eclipse where enemies gain movement speed. I don't play modded so I just take hungering gaze when I play him.
Seeker can be indefinetly in sojourn, stack 10 repulsions, 6 teddy bears, and a few weeping funguses and you will literally outheal the DOT
once they fix False Son’s slam attack bug that lets you aoe the entire map i hope they add an alternate that functions similarly with a slam that gets larger as you continue charging it.
It would have to be an alternate primary. Maybe a stronger single swing that charges up?
yeah seeker seems kinda op with orbs. honestly i like the idea of false son just being kinda broken since he's the secret character and all. reminds me of old ps1 games where you'd unlock a secret end game character with just every stat maxed out
FINALLY someone putting out the TRUTH of how crazy busted soul spiral is. honestly i think either sojourn or spiral needs a mild nerf to the way they interact with eachother
its really cool but... god, so op
You can use sear whilst dashing as chef. I'm not trying to grt his tier changed or anything lol, but nobody seems to know this. Use sear whilst you're dashing for extra dps. (Doesn't work with second helping for some reason though).
i like Seeker cuz i like playing Rushdown characters but the damn the Levitating Anal Beeds/Zenyatta Orbs aren't working out for me, good to see her normal loadout so up tho
i feel like chef would be instantly better if three things were met:
a: damage buff on sear
b: range buff on sear
c: the speed of sear
having sear just come out faster and be useful around mid range would make it way more fun to use. i feel like they copied chefs abilites too much from the first game, not taking into account how different of a game that ror2 is. the only thing they changed was what abilities take up which slot, and the utility which thank god they did have glaze be melee ranged would be awful. they half committed to a melee character and so we get left with an awkward survivor with a long range primary, mid range special, and melee secondary and utility, while having no additional armor. the healing passive is just not enough to keep him alive at close range.
thank you for listening to my ted talk.
Seeker is just great. I hope they keep making support characters
Playing False Son just makes me wish I were playing the paladin mod instead. I don't care how good he is, he just feels so jank to me
That chef mod was crazy, I like him but he his damage is so lacking compared to seeker and false son
Two words:
Whip... and Cube.
still not a cube believer. but you got me on the whip smh
planula seemed to give seeker infinite sojourn time, not sure if its the case after they changed the fps issues but it made her immortal
Chef is a ton better once you start playing him like merc
use shift (roller) get in an enemies face and shred them with cleaver *your not locked out of any abilities while roller is active*
also fun fact any damage delt while using roller will apply roller *spice* debuff (Barbwire, using cleaver, et cetera)
did not realize that last part. +1 chef mains
Chef is actually really good with a purity
I think that puts him a bit higher when holding purity
yes chef is very good, it refreshes the cool downs of roll and sear, and you can use roll while the yes chef animation plays, so to say "never get this ability" is missing out on potential play styles and tech. 4:24 also that is just straight up incorrect, you can cancel sear with roll, and throw cleavers while rolling to apply both cleaver and roll debuffs, without requiring to hit the enemy with roll.
oh based i didnt know about the roll + cleaver debuff working like that. however the fact that roll is the only ability you can use after sear to avoid the 1.5 seconds (or however long it is) of standing there staring at enemies is dumb as hell. chef still c tier for cooked
although i am amenable to yes chef being better than i give it credit for (maybe ™️)
I was having fun with commando then they took away my burst fire phase shots that i used for 3 games
since chef has charges already I feel like they should just make his cleavers go the full distance no matter what and let him throw multiple cleavers at once. then they could pair his primary charge cooldown with the cleaver returning to the character and make attack speed just make the cleavers move faster.
Commando is great
Glad to be a commando main🫡
I personally don’t like the idea of False sun at the moment,yet another melee character who works better with ranged gameplay. I wish they would just add the slam attack into the default swing chain rather than hold 2 buttons down.
The built-in cleaver mechanic has got to be so annoying. When I first heard about it, I moved unlocking Chef way down the to-do list
If you find a single wungus and a repulsion plate printer seeker becomes the best survivor in the game but it isn’t very consistent. without repulsion I would only put seeker in a teir
I actually have fun playing Commando. Chef is only pain.
Also you are way too harsh on Commando. He's not that bad. I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind in the RUclips comments section though.
rated chef too high, video disliked
what was that take on chef 💀
2:36 🌧☔🌧
Yeah chef feels underbaked and needs some time in the oven
Quick tip about the son is that you can take stone flux pouldron with minimal downsides thx to the growth mechanic (the speed penalty still kick in but it lefts you around the speed that you already have)
false son my beloved
we love you swagmoney69 we all say in unison
the roar of the crowd drives me
As an engie main, engie went down a rank for how rare bungus became.
sojourn with planula and armour plating removes the downsides
Somebody had to pay rent
Commando hate in 2024 is crazy
The false sun alternate special doesn't proc crit (at least when i tested it with 100% crit chance, it never critted)
There is no secret survivor
Chef's fire ability with corrupted missile (plasma shrimp) is nutty.
By itself, meh.
I WILL not stand for this commando slander!
you will sit instead 😈
Now do a list with all the survivors
Chef would be far better if he ACTUALLY cooked..... Hope someone makes a server-side mod that make chef kills drop better shit
Chef not bad but it's really item dependant (trust me, a single fucking death mark and EVERYTHING on screen dies
Puts Commando in F tier but then says that modding Chef's primary to play the same as Commando's makes Chef S tier.
#Nooticing 🤔
sounds like skill issue on the commando end of things tbh get better nerd
U can use all ur abilities while using the movement skill on chef which makes him a little better but he still is the worst survivor in the game rn imo
robomando is SSS tier
fax tho
hot take: i think chef is Low A tier
my game is still broken i can't start a game its so frustrating 2 weeks without risk of rain 2 is too much for me
where the zen skin for seeker
6:24 I kept bugging out whenever I used the m1+m2 slam ability whenever I jump before using it, it just bugs out and makes you hover animation locked until you jump agaun
That's actually the best way to play him early game because it ramps up in damage and aoe as you hold it. Basically can hit the whole map as you hover between opening chests.
You keep dissing commando when my baby has phase shotgun
this shotgun don't phase me uh (bars)
@@rndThursday okay okay, credit where it’s due. Bro cooking harder than gas stacks with ignition
Seeker neat but still find her to be pretty weak. 2nd weakest survivor imo at keast in the context of eclipse but way better than chef still
commando is good and better than chef but his issue is he is waaaaaay to item dependant, if you dont get tri tip and crit he falls off and yes i'm fully aware those items are better on almost every other survivor but my point was he practically needs them otherwise he is dead in solo mid game and dead weight entirely in co-op but is he worse than chef? no, chef is complete ass to play in comparison and so clunky to play in general it felt like but that is just my opinion maybe some chef main is out there doing crazy stuff as chef but he seems terrible chef.
but disregard all i said Commando is actually S+ tier and rndThurday just isn't sitting correctly on their chair to play them like a pro :^)
250 Evan Springs
chef is so clunky it's not even funny
You know you can hold down chefs movement to go faster right?
Hey I’m having an issue with some modded characters not showing up like the samus darth Vader deku and shigaraki mods in particular and I don’t know why they aren’t there does anybody know?